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Speaker 1: Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: What's Up QLs listeners, This is Sugar Steve. Thank you

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Speaker 2: for tuning in to part two of our interview with

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Speaker 2: Paradise Gray. Dice is a leading hip hop historian, a

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Speaker 2: member of the Ex Klan, and a true raconteur of

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Speaker 2: the culture. Before this, though, listen to part one, where

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Speaker 2: Paradise Gray discusses his Bronx upbringing his earliest hip hop memories,

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Speaker 2: and making his inroads to help making the Latin Quarter a.

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Speaker 1: Legendary nineteen eighties landmark for rap.

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Speaker 2: Take It Away, Team Supreme, and Paradise Gray.

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Speaker 1: All right, so the question I want to ask you

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Speaker 1: is what does this sound represent?

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Speaker 3: You ready, yes, Ghost, that's about sex and sonic?

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Speaker 4: What does it represent?

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Speaker 5: That's the Latin Quarter? That was the Latin Quarter anthems?

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Speaker 1: But explain to our listeners what happens when this comes

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Speaker 1: o see what does that mean?

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Speaker 5: For?

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Speaker 3: See that?

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Speaker 6: And it used to start to you know, it used

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Speaker 6: to start go Brooklyn, Go Brooklyn, And it was a

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Speaker 6: signal for fifty cent and the Brooklyn crew that go

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Speaker 6: wild starts snatching chains and going wild in the club, which.

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Speaker 1: Leads to my next question, and I've We've had every

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Speaker 1: luminary of the Latin Quarters from Special Led to like

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Speaker 1: literally everyone's come on the show and I asked them

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Speaker 1: the same thing, knowing the likelihood.

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Speaker 3: Of why did they play it?

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Speaker 1: No, knowing the likelihood of something about to break out,

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Speaker 1: a punch, a snatch, chains, chaos. Why would you risk

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Speaker 1: your life for the love of hip hop? Why would

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Speaker 1: you risk.

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Speaker 3: Your life for them? Go there?

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Speaker 5: Yes, because if you didn't go there, you was a

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Speaker 5: punk dude it to First of all, the Latin Quarrier

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Speaker 5: was all about location, location, location. It was right in

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Speaker 5: the middle of Times Square, bro Like, right in the

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Speaker 5: middle of forty eighth Street between Broadway and Seventh Avenue.

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Speaker 3: Okay, this building is where the ball drops.

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Speaker 5: Right then you got a big empty space where they

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Speaker 5: fill up during New Year's Right then there was another

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Speaker 5: building that had the Coca Cola bottle on it. The

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Speaker 5: Latin Cola was in that building. It was right in

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Speaker 5: the middle of Times Square, the busiest place in New

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Speaker 3: Right, But what was.

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Speaker 5: About Times Square? Time Square was all about sex, drugs,

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Speaker 5: and violence. The American dream as American as apple and

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Speaker 5: cherry pie. If people don't understand nothing else. They understand sex, drugs,

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Speaker 5: and violence. Let me tell you what I did in

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Speaker 5: Latin Quarters. Okay, you have in one hour, you have

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Speaker 5: more traffic passed by our club than anywhere in the world.

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Speaker 3: Right, So I took advantage of that.

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Speaker 5: I used to advertise ladies free before eleven, right, and

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Speaker 5: then I would make the lady's line go slow as hell.

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Speaker 3: I would open the ladies line at.

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Speaker 5: Ten to eleven, so every male driving by Times square

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Speaker 5: a line of women going all the way around the

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Speaker 3: And then I cheated again.

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Speaker 5: I will walk that line and all the most beautiful

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Speaker 5: women and all the women who had the least clothes on,

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Speaker 5: I would bring them to the front of the line.

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Speaker 3: That's how it started.

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Speaker 2: I love this guy.

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Speaker 5: So next week every chick in that line looked like

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Speaker 5: Vanity six and everybody, I'm like, yo, I don't know

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Speaker 5: where you're going tonight, but I'm going there.

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Speaker 1: Who was your closest competition during this period between when's.

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Speaker 5: The becket eighty five? Really they want to hear some

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Speaker 5: crazy stuff. The real run of Latin Quarters that I

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Speaker 5: had was eighty six to eighty eight, two years it

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Speaker 3: In two and a half years.

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Speaker 5: That much impact incubated the golden era of hip hop.

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Speaker 5: It seemed like it was fifteen years.

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Speaker 4: Thought it was seven to eight.

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Speaker 5: No, there was the Africa Islam and other people would

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Speaker 5: do shows at Latin Quarters, but it was not a

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Speaker 5: hip hop club. The Latin Quarters were the first and

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Speaker 5: only legitimate hip hop dance club. Our competition that opened

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Speaker 5: a few months after US was Union Square. They had

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Speaker 5: Red Alert before I did well. Red work with me

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Speaker 1: Curious, I'm curious what is the going rate to hire

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Speaker 1: Red Alert to be your Friday night DJ?

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Speaker 4: And how long is he spending for.

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Speaker 5: Red Alert used to come directly off of the air

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Speaker 5: at Kiss on Friday night and go directly to the

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Speaker 5: Latin Quarter and he would DJ for maybe he would

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Speaker 5: get to the club around twelve midnight, like about fifteen

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Speaker 5: after twelve, and he would DJ as much as he won.

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Speaker 5: I had like four five house DJs that also dj there.

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Speaker 5: So whenever Red took a break, you know, the party

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Speaker 5: kept going, but I don't know if I want to

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Speaker 5: divulge red paid this time, it was this way, it was,

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Speaker 5: it was uh, it was the top of the game

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Speaker 4: Okay, can you make a real living?

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Speaker 1: Can you make a four figure living for a high three?

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Speaker 3: He ain't taking.

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Speaker 5: Okay now, but he already had a job at Kiss Radio,

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Speaker 5: you know what I mean. He was the top djai

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Speaker 1: We now live in the era where a Diplo or

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Speaker 1: Skrills makes two point five million, tell me about it, or.

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Speaker 4: You know, in the case of Pretty Lights makes.

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Speaker 3: We he'll make that every week.

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Speaker 4: Well yeah, Pretty.

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Speaker 1: Lights only spends ten times a year.

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Speaker 4: He must meet his price. He ain't coming. So thus

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Speaker 4: he meant to remember.

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Speaker 5: We were struggling to exist back in these days. Remember

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Speaker 5: hip hop. We was being dish left and right, you

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Speaker 5: know by Elder Winford, Marsallis and James and two May

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Speaker 5: and Larry Blackman from Cameo.

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Speaker 3: They were talking mad shit about hip hop. They were haters.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but James and Toomey wound up being one of

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Speaker 5: my best friends because my elder edwin Bird's song brought

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Speaker 5: us together and I had a few conversations with James,

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Speaker 5: and he understood what we were trying to do and

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Speaker 5: he started advising us and supporting us. But the biggest

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Speaker 5: supporter that saved hip hop was none other than elder

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Speaker 5: Harry Belafonte.

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Speaker 3: Rest in pe Smster.

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Speaker 7: Beach talk about it, educate real quick.

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Speaker 5: Harry Belafonte produced Beach Street when all the other elders

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Speaker 5: were shitting on us.

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Speaker 3: Radio stations had taglines like no rap.

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Speaker 5: And they would play our instrumentals and not play our vocals.

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Speaker 5: They were totally dissing us. We're not real musicians. We

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Speaker 5: just steal their shit. You know, we don't we don't sing.

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Speaker 5: You know, what we do is that dibbit when y'all

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 3: Then we were so disrespected.

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Speaker 1: What are your top five live performance moments at the

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Speaker 1: Latin Quarter?

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Speaker 3: Wow, that's hard.

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Speaker 4: Top five, no particular.

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Speaker 5: Rock, sanne Chante, biz Markie and Big Daddy came. Okay,

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Speaker 5: and then later Big Daddy came on his own a

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Speaker 5: name my book, No half stepping. Because Big Daddy came

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Speaker 5: was the epitome of the Latin Quarter. What was it

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Speaker 5: about him? He had everything, He had the jewelry, he

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Speaker 5: had the haircut, he had the look, the dance, the voice,

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Speaker 5: the lyrical dexterity, and he had Marley Maul's beats, unfunckiable.

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Speaker 5: Big Daddy came with nothing to mess with. You could

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Speaker 1: Did you know was he feared or respected? In other words,

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Speaker 1: if you're like watching the show, I'm assuming you're watching

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Speaker 1: from the booth or whatever, don't I don't even know

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Speaker 1: what the.

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Speaker 3: Put it this way, car Ris won this everybody.

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Speaker 5: He dis the Juice Crew, but he did not this

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Speaker 5: Big Daddy came and Big Daddy Kane wrote some of

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Speaker 5: Sean Tay's This record against.

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Speaker 3: Kr Ris one interesting.

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Speaker 5: But it was a Latin Quarter family. You know, they

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Speaker 5: had become family at the LQ. We didn't go against

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Speaker 5: each other at the LQ. It was like the only

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Speaker 5: thing that we don't have now that we had back

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Speaker 5: then is each other. If twenty artists got on stage

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Speaker 5: and performed that night, at the end of the day

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Speaker 5: when the club is closing, or twenty of those artists

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Speaker 5: that perform was still in the damn club. Nowadays you

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Speaker 5: put five artists after they performed, I mean they leave

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Speaker 3: Not at LQ.

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Speaker 5: We stayed from the time that club open to the

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Speaker 5: time it closed. Sometimes we closed eight nine in the morning,

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Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. And you know it's still

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Speaker 5: be deep in the club. Whenever we close the.

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Speaker 3: Door, we will lock the door at five.

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Speaker 5: Ain't nobody else getting in. But if you already in there, man,

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Speaker 5: the owner already bounced to let's keep the party going.

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Speaker 3: It's not.

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Speaker 4: Now, I'm you know.

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Speaker 1: In the nineties and especially in the arts, like, I

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Speaker 1: don't know of any club night existence without the fire

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Speaker 1: marshal coming in to shut it down. You know, the

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Speaker 1: inspector coming to see you. Guys never had those problems whatsoever. No,

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Speaker 1: they didn't know that even they didn't know you guys existed.

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Speaker 3: Or oh they knew we existed. You run in the

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Speaker 3: middle of a Times Square. You couldn't help but notice us,

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Speaker 5: Uh, well, we had plenty of police on our payroll.

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Speaker 5: We had six undercover cops as security, and a whole

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Speaker 5: bunch more. And we had Mike Goldberg. It was such

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Speaker 5: a brilliant business man. I loved that dude. And he

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Speaker 5: gave a nineteen year old the keys to the club.

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Speaker 3: Bro.

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Speaker 5: Can you imagine you were nineteen at the time. I

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Speaker 5: was nineteen years old when I saw running the Latin.

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Speaker 1: Did you have any experience whatsoever in terms of negotiating

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I used to I used to be a street DJ.

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Speaker 5: I was a hustler. I'm from Highbridge. You know what

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Speaker 5: I'm saying. I was a pool shark, but Latin But

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Speaker 5: I was hanging out way before Latin Quarter. I was

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Speaker 5: learning from South Abatilla at the disco Fever. I'm watching him,

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Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. I'm talking to Jungbug and

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Speaker 5: Courtges blowing all of them.

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Speaker 3: Learning from Russell Simmons.

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Speaker 5: You know, I'm working with Russell Simmons, Rush Productions and

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Speaker 5: Depth dam and since nineteen eighty three.

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Speaker 3: You know, I'm in the studio with run dmc, Curtis,

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Speaker 3: blow Ll cool J.

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Speaker 5: I'm watching all of these things get created, and I'm

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Speaker 5: learning every step of the way.

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Speaker 3: I had Pete DJ Jones who owned.

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Speaker 5: A bar one block from my crib. I'm learning from him.

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Speaker 5: When I'm seven eight years old, I'm twelve years old.

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Speaker 3: I'm DJing in the bar.

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Speaker 4: So what's can.

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Speaker 1: You tell me what the general modus operandi or just

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Speaker 1: the general operation.

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Speaker 3: Of what it takes to keep.

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Speaker 1: That operation going on your nights, in terms of what

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Speaker 1: you're doing from Saturday to Thursday night. Like flyers calls

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Speaker 1: managers money.

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Speaker 5: I never dealt with managers. I never dealt with promoters.

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Speaker 3: I was like the hip hop concierge of New York.

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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 5: On a Friday Saturday night, I'm hanging with Curtis Blow,

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Speaker 5: Orange Juice, Jones, Run, DMC, the Fat Boys, Houdani. All

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Speaker 3: Yo, dice, where the party at.

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Speaker 5: I'd be like, hold on, let me see, Oh, tonight

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Speaker 4: You go to other bars and lure them.

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Speaker 1: So there was no like calling Carol Lewis.

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Speaker 3: Or nah nah. We didn't do none of that. We

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Speaker 5: They didn't have to pay no manager, they didn't have

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Speaker 3: It's like cool. I was like, let's let's give him

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Speaker 5: He'd be like, Okay, no hotel, no limo, He's right here,

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Speaker 3: So we didn't really even have to book artists.

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Speaker 5: They already was in the club, you know, and then

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Speaker 5: Mike Tyson's hanging out, Bobby Brown's in there hanging out,

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Speaker 5: The Cosmic Kids out in there hanging out. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 3: There was no place else to be. Yeah.

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Speaker 7: I think on this show Paradise, you should know that.

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Speaker 7: I think where were we at twenty guests? At least

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Speaker 3: Mm hmm, I got one that you haven't spoken to.

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Speaker 5: Who was who was the coach check girl heaven.

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Speaker 4: She might get start. We were like what you lived

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Speaker 3: She was homeless. She was in an art.

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Speaker 5: Program in the village for homeless youth. And her teacher

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Speaker 1: What and to this day what Heather's art.

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Speaker 3: Yes, it's better than Keith having dude.

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Speaker 1: Her her entire apartment is just like a bunch of sculptures,

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Speaker 5: Know her, and a painter, and her paintings you could

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Speaker 1: Her apartments standing there at museum, y'all done. But ye,

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Speaker 7: And you had no idea fast forward that what she

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Speaker 4: A little bit of a clue she was going to coach.

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Speaker 8: I wanted to ask you about X clam Man And like,

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Speaker 8: how y'all formed.

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Speaker 3: At Latin courts? Really, Brother j and professor, you.

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Speaker 4: Guys are regular dressing cats, and then you're here.

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Speaker 5: I would never know regular dressing dude. Flip through that book.

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Speaker 1: I'm looking you guys went through a street where that

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Speaker 4: Yes, that's me. Then I know this. Then morton to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, now you're in your sma, which is which is awesome. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but how did the band formed?

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Speaker 5: I was working at the Latin Quarter and Lamomba Professor

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Speaker 5: x Overseer aka Lamomba Carson. He called Heidi Smith from

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Speaker 3: No, we don't do that kind of thing, you know.

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Speaker 3: He's like really, She was like.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you need to find artists who are more young

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Speaker 5: I'll tell you what. Go to Latin Quarters and and

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Speaker 5: She called me, put him on the guest list, and

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Speaker 3: It was crazy.

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Speaker 5: We had like forty fifty thousand people show up in

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Speaker 3: And from that moment, he was like paradise.

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Speaker 5: If we could bring this youthful energy to my father's movement,

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Speaker 5: we could change everything. And I was like, yeah, whatever,

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Speaker 5: We're gonna make money, I.

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Speaker 3: Hope, so I'm like cool.

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Speaker 5: So he took me to the Slave Theater and on

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Speaker 5: Fulton Street in bed Star and Al Sharpton, Reverend Al

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Speaker 5: Sharpton used to own that theater and do rallies there.

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Speaker 5: So today I went to meet his father Sonny Carson.

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Speaker 5: the elders was in there. They had big silver afros

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Speaker 5: and they was wearing Dashiki's and here I am. I

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Speaker 5: what takes me over to introduce me to his father.

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Speaker 5: He says, a brother, Sonny, this is my homeboy, Paradise

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Speaker 5: I was telling you about. Sonny stares at me without

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Speaker 5: me and says, what kind of name is Paradise for

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Speaker 5: a nigga? I said, well, actually, it's not a name.

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Speaker 5: It's an invocation of my goals. I'm trying to achieve

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Speaker 5: it reminds me of my goals. He's smiled, did a

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Speaker 4: Huh.

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you what. You see that door that you

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Speaker 5: If I was you, I'd walk out that door fast

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Speaker 5: as I came in here, because if you stick around here,

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Speaker 5: we're gonna mess up everything you think.

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Speaker 3: You know. I was like really, He was like yeah.

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Speaker 5: I was like, I think I'll stick around for a minute,

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Speaker 5: and he smiled at me and gave me the deep

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Speaker 3: Sonny Carson had moved Fossa's voice. You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 5: When Sonny speak, you know the police and anybody else

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Speaker 3: Sonny Carson was no joke. Baby, my elder.

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Speaker 1: I literally didn't know that that was his his son

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Speaker 1: Now makes sense, Yeah, Sonny Carson, La Mumba Carson.

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Speaker 7: Was he right about what your life and how you

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Speaker 3: It had changed? Hell?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: And the beautiful thing about it is him or the

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Speaker 5: just responded to my intelligence and my promotion and marketing skills,

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Speaker 3: I didn't need it anymore.

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Speaker 8: How did brother Jay? He was just one of my

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Speaker 8: favorite MC's man and he had just that voice. Yeah,

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Speaker 8: working on the first album, man, Like, how how did

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Speaker 3: Sugar Chef used to be one of the violators. Oh okay.

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Speaker 5: He used to hang with Chris Lighty and them dudes

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Speaker 5: I was like, yeah, where you live? He said, I

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Speaker 5: And he kept telling me about his homeboy brother Jay,

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Speaker 3: I kind of let them hang with me.

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Speaker 1: Wait he was seventeen with that voice, Brother Jay, motherfuckers

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Speaker 1: sounded like my dad wrote.

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Speaker 5: To the East black Wood was when he was seventeen

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Speaker 3: How about that?

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Speaker 4: Wow?

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Speaker 5: So when people make excuses and say, oh, dudes are

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Speaker 4: But that's like with x Claan.

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Speaker 1: To me, I just looked at him like, oh, okay,

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Speaker 1: forty old pay y'all just looked like y'all looked like

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Speaker 1: my cool ass uncle.

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Speaker 5: Professor X was probably your cool last uncle, you know

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Speaker 5: what I mean?

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Speaker 3: He was bolder than.

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Speaker 4: I didn't think I was older than one of y'all.

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Speaker 5: Damn brother to thefinitely brother Jane sugar Shaft from my

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Speaker 1: Since you mentioned it now, one of our most infamous

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Speaker 1: Latin quarter guests, sir mc search you still searching for.

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Speaker 5: That guy where you go right right?

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Speaker 3: All right?

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Speaker 1: But wait wait, but no, no, no, But this also

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Speaker 1: involves Pete as well, because it just hit me when

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Speaker 1: I brought the EP the Cactus EP three Strikes five thousand,

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Speaker 1: was there were some shots fired at the X Clan

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Speaker 1: organization and then of course I forget the song the

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Speaker 1: song where you guys start with pop goes the weasel?

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Speaker 1: What was the unspoken, indirect, non passive aggressive shots fired

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Speaker 1: between those clans? And I guess also if you want

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Speaker 3: It between love and hey.

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Speaker 1: But also today when I was listening to sex and Violence,

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Speaker 1: there was some satisfied there too, like so wait what

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Speaker 5: When I first met Prime Minister Pete Nice. He was

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Speaker 5: Girls High School and he was managed by a gentleman

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Speaker 5: named Robert Lamumba Carson Professor X before X claim really

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Speaker 5: and he was in a group called sin Quinn and right.

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00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:40,080
Speaker 5: And then once Professor X met me, now he had

447
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 5: access to care as one big daddy came just Nice.

448
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:48,440
Speaker 5: He neglected the groups he already was managing, right, which

449
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:53,119
Speaker 5: Pete Nice was one of them. So MC search was

450
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:56,400
Speaker 5: hanging at the Latin Quarter with me, and Pete Nice

451
00:25:56,480 --> 00:26:00,359
Speaker 5: came to the Latin Quarter with Professor X. So Pete

452
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 5: got frustrated because they didn't get any run or no focus.

453
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 5: So Pete went to the moment and said, hey, death

454
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 5: Jam is interested in signing me if you're not gonna

455
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 5: do nothing with me? Could you release me? And Professor

456
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 5: X laughed him out the door and released him death

457
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:25,400
Speaker 5: Jam's gonna sign you Ah, and Russell pulled the Beastie

458
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 5: Boys two point zero. He took two independent artists that

459
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 5: they were interested in and created Third Base. And Search

460
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 5: was a cool dude, but he exaggerated a lot, and

461
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 5: he was very popular at Latin Quarter, but he was

462
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 5: not popular at Latin.

463
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 3: Quarter for rapping. He got popular at Latin no Oh

464
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:52,200
Speaker 3: as a joke.

465
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 5: I used to host the shows, me and read Alert

466
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 5: and Bismarck. It would snap on each other, the warm

467
00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 5: the crowd up. And there was this real fat six

468
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 5: foot three dudes in the crowd that called him heavy right.

469
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 3: This dude was like butter and ice on the dance floor.

470
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 5: He was so big, but he was so smooth, and

471
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 5: so I would always pull him up on the stage

472
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 5: to warm the crowd up. And while he would dance,

473
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:25,119
Speaker 5: run Alert would play some joints and I'd be like,

474
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 5: go fat boy, go fat boy, and the whole crowd

475
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:32,440
Speaker 5: be screaming, go fat boy, go fat Boy, and mc

476
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 5: search game running Can I go?

477
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 3: I was like, oh God, here we go.

478
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,440
Speaker 5: Because mc search thought he could dance but he had

479
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 5: two left feet.

480
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 3: He was cool with us. We liked him.

481
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,879
Speaker 5: He was our dude. He was a great guy, but

482
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:52,159
Speaker 5: he could not dance. He would dance, don't know.

483
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:53,360
Speaker 3: He would try and.

484
00:27:53,320 --> 00:28:02,440
Speaker 1: We would okay, with two left feet, I'm trying.

485
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 4: I'm trying to be Switzerland here.

486
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 7: I mean, I'm working on.

487
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 4: And I got love for Peter.

488
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 5: Corn was where brothers was dancing in that club. Dude,

489
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 5: you're not their level period ever. So he would run

490
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:20,399
Speaker 5: on stage and Red would play dudey James and I

491
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,679
Speaker 5: would go gold, white Boy, Gold white Boy go in.

492
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 3: The crowd would go crazy, and they loved him.

493
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 1: Novel to see the white guy with rhythm. He took

494
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 1: advantage of that, right, I.

495
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 3: See, greatly.

496
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 5: But then as he became third base, he seemed like

497
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 5: he was trying to be a brother and he was

498
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 5: going too far with it as far as we was concerned,

499
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 5: Like when the camera zoomed up to the back of

500
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 5: his head and he turned around like.

501
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 3: It's the other man, it was like, what what did

502
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 3: you talking about? Dude? Like what are you doing? You know?

503
00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 5: So he was an ultimate culture vulture, but he was

504
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 5: accepted because he hung out with us and we accepted

505
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 5: him hanging with us, you know, then he did the

506
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 5: group would wound up being our good friend m F.

507
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 3: Doom and the logo was a coon face and we

508
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 3: didn't like that. KMD. Yeah, yeah, you know what I'm saying.

509
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 5: So it was it was a lot of cultural problem

510
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 5: that we was having problems with.

511
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 2: Amir mentioned the Hip Hop Museum in his roll call.

512
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 2: I just wanted to touch on that a little bit

513
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 2: for our listeners who may not know what's going on.

514
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 4: Wait, I'll get there eventually.

515
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 5: Right, he still want to get to the part where

516
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 5: Kenny Parker just did it.

517
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 4: Right, I'll get there. Wait.

518
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 1: You also didn't name the other four performers at the

519
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 1: Latin Quarter. I was I'm starting not hoping to get

520
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 1: the story of Melle Mail and the push ups or

521
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 1: the sit ups.

522
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 3: Melly Mail was the debo of the Latin Quarter. He

523
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 3: was the filter. That's what I called him. If you

524
00:29:57,840 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 3: got on stage and you was whag.

525
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 5: Mellie Mail was Sandman, really self appointed Sandman. Him and

526
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 5: Busy B were the most arrogant dudes ever. They were

527
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 5: coming the club throwing elbows at dudes.

528
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 3: Get out the way, Get out the way. The champions here,

529
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:21,719
Speaker 3: the champions here. Ain't none of y'all getting no money tonight,

530
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 3: and y'all ain't getting no puts he tonight.

531
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 5: The champs is here, and you be on stage rocking.

532
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 5: All of a sudden, you hit the crowd going crazy.

533
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 3: You're like, oh, I'm doing it tonight.

534
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 5: And then you take a look to the sign and

535
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 5: Mellie mel standing there with his shirt off, Muscle Simmons

536
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 5: in his full glory. Then he started doing push ups

537
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 5: real quick while you're.

538
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 4: Trying to do a show.

539
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 8: You like, So he's working out on the side of

540
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 8: the stage, you know, on the stage.

541
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 3: He's on the stage with you now.

542
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 4: Doing what are you?

543
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 1: Are you allowed to name some of the artists that

544
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 1: he disrespected, who remembers them?

545
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 8: So?

546
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 1: Were there some artists that before him?

547
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 3: Again they disappeared? He show him all right, you know,

548
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 3: he jumped.

549
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 5: On his feet, snatched the mic and say red alert,

550
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 5: put on some real hip hop.

551
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 3: I'm tired of this bullshit. And then he would rock

552
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 3: the house.

553
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 7: And never cause a fight. Nobody ever wanted to fight

554
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 7: him after they I'm just man.

555
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 3: So he got muscled.

556
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 5: It was only a couple of dudes that had the

557
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 5: balls or the size to deal with Melly Mel Justice

558
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 5: and King's son. They can handle him physically, but ain't

559
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 5: nobody wanted to try that.

560
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 3: Plus he's the goat this Grandma's and Melly mal a

561
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 3: child is born.

562
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 5: Damn you ain't got no wins there until one day

563
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 5: Belly Mel jumped on the stage with that bragg of dose.

564
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 3: I got five hundred dollars. Anybody in here wanted come

565
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 3: get it right now?

566
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 5: Oh y'all, he's looking at run DMC and LL and

567
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 5: all of them like and then you heard the crowd

568
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 5: go crazy, and you look and krs one was standing

569
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 5: there like this, okay, now, it already was some friction

570
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 5: between the last generation and the new generation. The first

571
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 5: shots across the bow that was successful was none other

572
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 5: than LL cool J. LL was not having it Coolmo

573
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 5: d iced tea whoever, he was not intimidated.

574
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 3: And if you went at LL, he coming back at you.

575
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 5: The first shots across the old school bow was.

576
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 3: By LL cool J. So he got it right here.

577
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 5: It was right here, and it was bubbling and then

578
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 5: kr us one dropped the nail in the coffin.

579
00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 4: What happened that night, like can you describe well?

580
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 3: Was it a song was n the battle.

581
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 5: I handed car us One the mic and kr us

582
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 5: One did a freestyle. First, he did this everybody in

583
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 5: the club that he had beef with. He did about

584
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 5: four people before going that Mail Rock, sand Sean tay Uh.

585
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 5: He went at mc shan of course, coogie rap even

586
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 5: you know, I am a professional.

587
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 3: This is not a demo, Chris do a bunch of

588
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 3: shots to grow.

589
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 4: Oh no, I didn't even catch that. I am a professor.

590
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 3: This is not it's a demo. It's a demos. It's

591
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 3: a demos.

592
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 4: I'm just catching that, see what I'm saying.

593
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 5: So Chris was already set up to be that next

594
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 5: dude because he had just smashed, which was difficult to

595
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 5: do because Sham was as popular as LL back in

596
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 5: the day. Sha was not no easy not to crack,

597
00:33:56,520 --> 00:34:00,040
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. Sham was highly respected. And

598
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 5: so Carrius One did a freestyle. He went at Mail

599
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 5: and then he said, hey, yo, who won this battle

600
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 5: and dropped the mic and the crowd went crazy and

601
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:13,840
Speaker 5: Melly mal he was so angry. The crowd was like

602
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 5: going for Carris One and he didn't even rhyme yet.

603
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 5: He start jumping up and down. It's not fair. I

604
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 5: didn't get to go yet. I didn't get to go.

605
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 5: I said, come on, y'all, this is melly Mao. You

606
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 5: gotta least let the man spit. Mellie mal dug in

607
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 5: that brilliant brain of his and came out with one

608
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 5: of the dopest rhymes I ever heard.

609
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:38,320
Speaker 3: He was talking about spaceships.

610
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 5: And battling aliens and molecules and scientific facts, and he

611
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 5: killed it. But the crowd was like, no manoo, and

612
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 5: some people cheered him. But Carris won won to day,

613
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 5: and from that day on things started changing. You know,

614
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 5: Big Daddy Cane got really ridiculous in there, rock him,

615
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:06,320
Speaker 5: came out of nowhere on them. Check out my melody.

616
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 5: You know, Eric beat for president Red Alert, banging that

617
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 5: like over and over.

618
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:13,759
Speaker 3: It was a new day.

619
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 4: Well okay, so what are the other three that you

620
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 4: can name?

621
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 5: Uh?

622
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,399
Speaker 3: Other three that got dissed by Meloy man No, no, no no.

623
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:27,439
Speaker 1: The other three like life changing performances that happened at.

624
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:30,879
Speaker 5: The Big Daddy came, Man, Big Daddy came. When he

625
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 5: first came out with schoob and scrap. He changed the game, bro.

626
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 5: It was just I mean heavy dn of boys whoa

627
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 5: when they rock miss the big stuff at Latin Quarters

628
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 5: forget about it.

629
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:47,760
Speaker 3: Really yeah, man, that's.

630
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 5: So sonic performed with my man Bobby Simmons with the

631
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:52,840
Speaker 5: live drum.

632
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 3: That was crazy.

633
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 5: I mean, it was just so many amazing, amazing performances,

634
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 5: especially you know EPMD bro Oh my god. They used

635
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 5: to tear the Latin Quarters down, and then out of

636
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 5: nowhere came the native tongues. The tribe called Quest, the

637
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 5: Jungle Brothers, Daylon Soul.

638
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 3: So that could fly only love it was born there.

639
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm only asking that because it seems to me

640
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 1: that the Latin Quarter seems more hard of me, no ob.

641
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 4: Dapper dan variety.

642
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:32,799
Speaker 1: And then suddenly here comes like no backpackers. Yeah, like

643
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 1: I would figure like they were the nerves and duebs of.

644
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 4: So they were walkome with.

645
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, because they were already people who hung out at

646
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:47,280
Speaker 5: the Latin Quarters. Ninety percent of the artist that broke

647
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 5: in Latin Quarters was always in the crowd. Kid and

648
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:53,399
Speaker 5: play was in the crowd at Latin Quarters. Their name

649
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:57,840
Speaker 5: was the Fresh Force Kid Cool Out and Playboy, and

650
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 5: they had a song called off a Rock I'm a.

651
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 4: Deis see I was gonna say, please don't say I'm.

652
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 5: The They sampled Rocked Me and then a song off

653
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:11,399
Speaker 5: of rock Me a'madas and they had another song called

654
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 5: She's a Skeezer.

655
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 3: That song which is what I did this.

656
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 1: Posts told me about that, okay, with the same beat

657
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:22,399
Speaker 1: for three days later.

658
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 3: Yeah. But then they saw the I O U and

659
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 3: the JAC dances.

660
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:30,880
Speaker 5: They changed their head sounds, they changed the way that

661
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:36,439
Speaker 5: they dress, and somehow the dance that was being done

662
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:39,240
Speaker 5: at the Latin Quarters became the Kiddn't play kickstep.

663
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 1: So all those dances were born there. We're talking about

664
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 1: like the Steve Martin, the Mark.

665
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 5: Top Oh my god, dude used to kill when he performed.

666
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:58,280
Speaker 5: You know who else killed at lag Quarters, Schoolly d Yes.

667
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 3: And remember this was New jack City, New York, Okay.

668
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 5: You know this was around the time of Larry Davis

669
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 5: and the Central Park five and Useph Hawkins murder. So

670
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 5: there was a tension in the young black people at

671
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 5: the time also, and.

672
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:18,919
Speaker 3: We were angry at a lot.

673
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 5: You know, parth I was going on, Nelson Mandela was

674
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:25,799
Speaker 5: still in jail, you know what I'm saying. So there

675
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 5: was a consciousness that took over the club because the

676
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:34,880
Speaker 5: Zulu Nation and the beginnings of the Black Watch movement

677
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:38,800
Speaker 5: and the five Percent Nation was heavy in the club.

678
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 5: So we was all about the fifth element, knowledge, wisdom

679
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 5: and understanding at the same time we was creating this music.

680
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 3: So that is official.

681
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:49,760
Speaker 7: I was wondering when you look up hip hop sometimes, okay,

682
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 7: the fifth element is knowledge, wisdom and understanding. All right,

683
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 7: I felt like it came much later, can.

684
00:38:59,080 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 3: You all right?

685
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:02,400
Speaker 1: Since the the sound system was ungodly?

686
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 3: Yes?

687
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 1: What did you guys think when y'all first heard Rebel

688
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 1: without a pause? Because I heard it two in the

689
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:14,240
Speaker 1: morning on a radio with the volume down, and of course,

690
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 1: like you know, I'm talking about clock radio. I can't

691
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:21,799
Speaker 1: imagine what it is to hear this teakettle noise of

692
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:23,320
Speaker 1: Public Enemy.

693
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 5: That song saved Public Enemies career because Public Enemy got

694
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 5: booed off the stage at Latin Quarters and their first

695
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 5: show Grand Master and Mellie Mail.

696
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:36,320
Speaker 4: He was on the side doing push ups.

697
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 5: No, he couldn't get to the stage, but he was

698
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:41,359
Speaker 5: in the crowd heckling him the whole.

699
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,400
Speaker 3: Time that shit ain't hip hop.

700
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,799
Speaker 5: They on stage with oozies and shit were trying to

701
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:50,359
Speaker 5: stop the violence. What is this, Russell Simmons, you need

702
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 5: to sign grand Master flies in the previous five putting

703
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 5: all this bullshit on stage, I had to I had

704
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 5: to literally pull Melly Mal off the dance floor and

705
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 5: explain to him what the s one w's were and

706
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:11,720
Speaker 5: why they had the plastic oozies. But then they came

707
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 5: later with Rebel without a pause, and guess what it

708
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:20,840
Speaker 5: was a hip hop dance classic. You put that record

709
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 5: on the IOU and the jay Z dances break their.

710
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 3: Necks in the club off it.

711
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 5: And that inspired Chuck to step up the tempo, and

712
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 5: he realized, as you get up there.

713
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:37,799
Speaker 1: And dance at the LQ right right right, I get it.

714
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:41,479
Speaker 1: I see it now, I see it now, I see

715
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 1: it now. So the next question I want to know

716
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 1: is why did it end so early.

717
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:55,759
Speaker 3: Monday? Location? Location? Location? It was sitting on.

718
00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:00,320
Speaker 5: That property that was way too valuable for them to

719
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 5: keep just letting us little niggats.

720
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 3: Have ain't back club there since.

721
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 5: Exactly they built the hotel, which one isnaissance, yeah.

722
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:13,359
Speaker 4: We used to stay there.

723
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 5: Wow, Okay, yep, the Union Square club had closed, so

724
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 5: all the crazy ass Brooklyn.

725
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 3: Niggas ain't have nowhere to hang out no more.

726
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 5: So they came uptown to the Latin Quarters and they

727
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 5: turned the Latin Quarters into the Okay carraal.

728
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 4: All right, so it was the myth of Brooklyn.

729
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 1: Real, I e Like, we just want to party and

730
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:34,720
Speaker 1: here come Brooklyn wounding out again.

731
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 5: Hell yeah, that sh it was true because it wasn't

732
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 5: just ghost steps to that set them off. That was

733
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:44,239
Speaker 5: the second song. There was another song that was more

734
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 5: of a trigger than that, which was Brooklyn's than the

735
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:52,440
Speaker 5: House by d C dcly.

736
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 1: So any Brooklyn song is just going to trigger.

737
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 5: It's fifty cent and the Supreme Team and the Hollis

738
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 5: Crew and the whole powder keg of different.

739
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 4: So they were all paid.

740
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 3: They get in yeah.

741
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 1: Yoke and still change and no.

742
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 5: Well at first, I mean it took a while because

743
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:20,800
Speaker 5: fifty would come to me, he respected me, and I

744
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 5: would let them in free, give him drink to get

745
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 5: treat him like they were stars too.

746
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 1: He explaining who fifty was. And now we're not talking

747
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 1: about Curtis Jackson.

748
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:30,840
Speaker 5: No, he was a little gangster ass Doug from Brooklyn,

749
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:34,719
Speaker 5: who was one of the original knuckleheads that you just

750
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 5: he had no respect for nobody not even himself, and

751
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 5: he would come to the club with two guns and

752
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 5: a bulletpoof vest on.

753
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 3: I would let him keep all let him in.

754
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:49,359
Speaker 5: I would look put it this way, okay, right, if

755
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 5: you let him in, he could control the other ones

756
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 5: that's lesser than him. So instead of going wild, now

757
00:42:56,680 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 5: they had something to lose. Now they had status, and

758
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 5: now they wouldn't just run up on somebody and rob them.

759
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:06,399
Speaker 5: They would come to me first and be like, yo, dice,

760
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 5: is that your man? I'd be like, yeah, damn man

761
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 5: told me, can't be coming up in here like that

762
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:13,840
Speaker 5: man organized.

763
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:16,240
Speaker 1: Crime and that would be ok what would they walking

764
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 1: target look like? Ll WOJ tell me the story, jam

765
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 1: Master J. I heard that story about dragging on the floor,

766
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 1: but he held onto the chain I heard.

767
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 5: Now he didn't drag the floor. His chain is solid.

768
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:30,880
Speaker 5: They don't have no clasp. Jam Aster J had the

769
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 5: best chain in hip hop.

770
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 1: But wasn't like royalty, like untouchable or is it like

771
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 1: we gotta test.

772
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:41,359
Speaker 3: Your Jay had the Holly's Crew with him.

773
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:46,400
Speaker 5: Hurricane in about twenty twenty five other ones, so it

774
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:50,479
Speaker 5: was the first time it was an even match. Dude

775
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 5: fifty tried to snatch Jay's chain. It don't pop. Jay

776
00:43:55,239 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 5: went with the chain and J is no slouch, right right.

777
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:03,880
Speaker 5: I went out and pulled J out of the melee

778
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 5: and he literally fought me. And when I looked in

779
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 5: his face, he said, Yo, dice, my people was out there.

780
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:16,919
Speaker 3: I let him go. He went right back out there.

781
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 3: You know who am I out to tell him? You

782
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 3: know what I mean?

783
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 5: But uh, yeah, jam Master J. Let me say something

784
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 5: about him. He was the most humble and wonderful human

785
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 5: being ever. You know, you go to the club. J

786
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 5: would be at a club, no security, no homeboys.

787
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:39,400
Speaker 3: He'd be out on tour.

788
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 5: You find jam Master J with a forty in the

789
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:47,360
Speaker 5: hood in the projects, four o'clock in the morning, smoking

790
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 5: and drinking and telling stories and jokes with dudes he

791
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:53,240
Speaker 5: don't even know. And he had the total hood pass

792
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:57,320
Speaker 5: because he was Jammaster J. He was that dope. Yeah,

793
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 5: he taught me how to act once I became popular.

794
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 2: Can we talk about the Hip Hop Museum?

795
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:04,799
Speaker 6: Yes?

796
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 4: See?

797
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:10,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, Now I'm told that you were collecting artifacts and

798
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:12,799
Speaker 1: whatnot since seventy.

799
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:13,799
Speaker 3: Nine, seventy eight.

800
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:16,360
Speaker 4: Okay, so yeah, how did you know.

801
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 3: I was a kid?

802
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 4: How did you know instantly.

803
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 5: I shouldn't know instant. My brother Michael Michael Green coach Green.

804
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 5: He was a baseball and football coach at de Wick

805
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 5: Clinton High School in the Bronx, and my brother was

806
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 5: four years older than me, and he did everything to

807
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:38,799
Speaker 5: influence me. I didn't respect or understand my brother when

808
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:40,400
Speaker 5: I was young because he wasn't a fighter.

809
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:41,839
Speaker 3: I had to fight every day.

810
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 5: But as I got older, everything I do and everything

811
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:48,840
Speaker 5: I know really came from my brother. A photographer, a writer,

812
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:55,840
Speaker 5: an artist, and illustrator. But most importantly, he collected stamps

813
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:56,760
Speaker 5: and coins.

814
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 3: I wasn't into that. I get out of here with that.

815
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:05,320
Speaker 5: Then he started collecting baseball cards, football cards, and comic books.

816
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 5: That's when I lost my mind, you know, because I

817
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 5: was an avid reader and comic book collectors and comic

818
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:16,319
Speaker 5: book readers. It's like oil and water. We really didn't met.

819
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:19,359
Speaker 5: So I start collecting my own comics. And then here

820
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 5: comes hip hop flyers, Grand Master Flash, who DJ hurt

821
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 5: the Herk Lords, you know, grand was it Theodore? It

822
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 5: was like walking Marvel heroes in my hood who were

823
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:40,439
Speaker 5: doing those flyers. Buddy Esquire a whole bunch of good

824
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 5: Phase two, but he Esquire and Phase two were the

825
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 5: two most popular ones, but there was a whole host

826
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 5: of people making flyers back then, and they were beautiful.

827
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:54,279
Speaker 5: When the hip hop universe was like the Marvel and

828
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:58,879
Speaker 5: DC universe to me, you know, so they would have

829
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 5: cartoon characters. I got a fly with Iron Man on it,

830
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 5: one with Spider Man on it, one with Muhammed Aldi

831
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 5: on it, you know, fly girls and nice calls.

832
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 3: It was amazing to me.

833
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 5: So I kept them and me and my homeboy kids Zeep,

834
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:20,280
Speaker 5: we started trading with each other and it just became

835
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:23,279
Speaker 5: a thing in my hood that we would collect hip

836
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 5: hop flyers, and later on it became everything with hip

837
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 5: hop on it, Yo, MTV rap cards, you know what

838
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:37,400
Speaker 5: I'm saying, Magazines, Yo, rap Masters, the Sowres, Double Excel,

839
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:39,959
Speaker 5: if it had anything about hip hop.

840
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 3: I was hip hop's biggest fan. I wanted.

841
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 1: So, were you just naturally a pop culture junkie that

842
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 1: just you know part Like I'm collecting stuff now, I

843
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:57,759
Speaker 1: don't know why I'm collecting it. I'm not saying to

844
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 1: myself like Okay, one day I'm gonna have a museum,

845
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 1: but like now, I mean I'm going hard on. I

846
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 1: went hard on On HRT's auction. Now we're seeing the

847
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:10,799
Speaker 1: auction stuff. Yeah, so I'm like, I'm doing it. I

848
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 1: guess I figure, like, okay, maybe when I'm sixty or seventies,

849
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:18,320
Speaker 1: I'll have these artifacts to pass on to a museum

850
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:19,279
Speaker 1: or that sort of.

851
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 4: Thing in your mind.

852
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 1: Are you saying, like, one day I'm going to open

853
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 1: up the hip hop museum and I'm having these artifacts there.

854
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:31,319
Speaker 3: No, I didn't even consider that.

855
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:34,839
Speaker 5: I just knew what I liked and I loved, and

856
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 5: I just catered to myself. I loved myself, so I

857
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:43,880
Speaker 5: tried to surround myself with beautiful things and things that

858
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 5: make me feel good. I was a little ashy, skin

859
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:50,759
Speaker 5: nappy headed, dark skinned kid in the South Bronx with

860
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 5: holes in the bottom of my shoe, and hip hop

861
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 5: gave me my self esteem.

862
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 2: How do you preserve everything through the years, with all

863
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:04,879
Speaker 2: the floods and robberies and everything that everybody goes through

864
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:06,280
Speaker 2: with moving one hundred times.

865
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:08,400
Speaker 3: I never had a flood, I never got robbed.

866
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 5: My dad still live in the same apartment that we

867
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 5: lived in since nineteen eighty.

868
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:15,959
Speaker 2: Wow, there's the answer there right there.

869
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:20,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Okay, we had stability. So let me know

870
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 3: what closet space.

871
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:24,959
Speaker 1: Okay, now I'm really asked the question that I always asks.

872
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 4: You know, one answers. Yeah, You're given.

873
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 3: One minute.

874
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:37,040
Speaker 1: To grab three artifacts and the rest you'll never see again.

875
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:39,280
Speaker 4: What three things are you grabbing?

876
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:45,319
Speaker 5: My original crown that I created, the first crown of

877
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 5: x Crime, my wooden stick that I carved with a

878
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:57,239
Speaker 5: lion's face in the middle of a morph between the

879
00:49:57,280 --> 00:49:58,320
Speaker 5: lion and the man.

880
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:00,920
Speaker 3: That staff is called the iron in lion Zion.

881
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:04,799
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, you carved too.

882
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 3: Yeah.

883
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's why they called me the architect, baby architect,

884
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:12,840
Speaker 5: you know, yeah, did.

885
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 1: You have dreams to be an actual architect?

886
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 5: In term I went to Brooklyn Tech to be an architect,

887
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:20,920
Speaker 5: and I dropped out in the tenth grade because I

888
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:23,479
Speaker 5: couldn't go through high school with holes in my ship

889
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:26,400
Speaker 5: like I did junior high. My parents are from the South.

890
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:30,399
Speaker 5: My dad I told him what I wanted and he said, hey.

891
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 5: He walked me to the front door and said, everything

892
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 5: you want right outside this door. Everything you need, I

893
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:38,279
Speaker 5: got it in here. Go get what you want. So

894
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:40,440
Speaker 5: I said, okay, I'm gonna go get it. I went

895
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 5: and I dropped out of high school, and within two

896
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 5: years I was making more money than my mother and

897
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 5: my father combined legally.

898
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:51,400
Speaker 3: Where are your parents from? North Carolina? What city?

899
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 5: I was born in a little town called Washington, North Carolina.

900
00:50:58,160 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 3: Washington.

901
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 8: Yeah, I grew up in I lived all over over

902
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:05,960
Speaker 8: Fatteville of red s Range, Robinson County. Grew up in Greensboro,

903
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:08,919
Speaker 8: living Raleigh. But nah, man, that's that's so dope.

904
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 3: I'm home from.

905
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 2: So.

906
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:13,799
Speaker 5: I was born in nineteen sixty four in North Carolina

907
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:17,759
Speaker 5: Freedom Summer, and my mother decided when I was four

908
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 5: years old that she didn't want me and my brother

909
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 5: and sister to grow up picking cotton and tobacco. So

910
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:27,879
Speaker 5: she followed her sister, Helen, my aunt, to Harlem, and

911
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 5: she stayed in Harlem with my aunt and sent me

912
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 5: and my brother and sister to live in the Bronxdale

913
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 5: Projects with my aunt's daughter, her niece, Susie Davis, and

914
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 5: my little cousin who lived with us in Disco King

915
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 5: Mario's building.

916
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 3: His name is Aaron Davis.

917
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 5: He wound up becoming a welterweight champion of the world,

918
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 5: Aaron Superman Davis, and he knocked Mark Brelan out to

919
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:52,800
Speaker 5: take the belt.

920
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:55,760
Speaker 4: No, you're a sports expert.

921
00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 5: Well, I love hip hop and sports. I think hip

922
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 5: hop was a sport us too.

923
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 1: It is you know, surviving it is key. Well you

924
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:06,840
Speaker 1: didn't name the third thing, the third artifact that you

925
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:07,319
Speaker 1: were saying.

926
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:10,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, that first Flyer was the first time hip hop's

927
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 2: mentioned on It's pretty cool.

928
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, but there's more important things.

929
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:21,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, well record record things that I own or

930
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 1: I mean like treasures.

931
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 3: I mean, dude, I have so much in my collection.

932
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 5: I'm not Bismarck status with my collection, but the hip

933
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:40,800
Speaker 5: hop part of my collection bigger than business hip hop collection.

934
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:43,000
Speaker 1: See, he's the one that got me into When I

935
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:44,799
Speaker 1: saw business stuff, I was like, oh, this is what

936
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:46,719
Speaker 1: I want to do. Spend my money. You got to

937
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 1: spend your money on something. So that's the thing. Artifact historical,

938
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:55,319
Speaker 1: artifact wise, what do you have? Jeff just shared with

939
00:52:55,400 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 1: me that he has the records from Grandmaster Grandmaster Flash

940
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 1: used in Wild Style Sope.

941
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 5: I still have a bunch of my original creates that

942
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:13,320
Speaker 5: I DJ with since the seventies in the Bronx. I

943
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 5: still have my original vinyl, all my breakbeats.

944
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:17,399
Speaker 4: Okay, you know I.

945
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:21,400
Speaker 5: Have the big red, black and green flag that X

946
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 5: Clan used to perform with and that we used to

947
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:26,920
Speaker 5: march in the streets of Brooklyn with Sonny Carson with.

948
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:34,759
Speaker 3: You know, I have a cutout of the Niles pharrowhead.

949
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 4: From I Am Oh, yeah, I am record.

950
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:40,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, yeah, I have the cutout of master P.

951
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:45,319
Speaker 5: You know, I've got the master P doll they go.

952
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:48,200
Speaker 4: Right.

953
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 3: You know, I got so much artifacts, bro.

954
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:54,880
Speaker 1: I do want to know when do you feel as

955
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:57,879
Speaker 1: though the museum will have its grand.

956
00:53:57,560 --> 00:54:02,360
Speaker 5: Opening fourth quarter for first quarter twenty twenty five in

957
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 5: the location right where it is, right in the Boogie

958
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 5: down Bronx one hundred and forty ninth Street and Bronx

959
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 5: Point Baby, right on the Harlem River.

960
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:16,400
Speaker 1: Well, brother, this this has been long overdue. Yeah, thank you,

961
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 1: thank you for sharing.

962
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 5: We didn't have more time, and you know, I didn't

963
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 5: really get to tell you a new stories.

964
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:25,439
Speaker 3: But it's all good.

965
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:27,440
Speaker 4: No, this is this is beautiful and we thank you

966
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:28,320
Speaker 4: for coming on the show.

967
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 1: So we have a fontiicolo on paper bill Sugar Steve

968
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 1: and like, yeah, this is quest Love is a great paradise.

969
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:34,959
Speaker 3: Gray.

970
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, support hip hop culture, collect your artifacts, don't dispose

971
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:42,359
Speaker 1: of things that you don't know will be you know,

972
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:44,880
Speaker 1: well man's trash, that next man's treasure.

973
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:45,319
Speaker 3: Oh yeah.

974
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:48,440
Speaker 1: Telling the history, yes, and share stories and.

975
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 3: In the history.

976
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 5: Because while it's good that we celebrated their fiftieth anniversary

977
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:57,880
Speaker 5: of hip hop make history, now it's our time to

978
00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:00,400
Speaker 5: plot the next fifty years of hip hop. There you go,

979
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:04,920
Speaker 5: and to support young artists with the real support that

980
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:07,320
Speaker 5: we need to give them. And we need to stop

981
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 5: being the old man sitting on the porch telling them

982
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 5: to get off our Lawan hip hop was created by

983
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:16,279
Speaker 5: children and children will always rule hip hop. So if

984
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:18,840
Speaker 5: you owe and you feel like, oh I can't understand

985
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:21,800
Speaker 5: what they're saying, well maybe they're not talking to your ass.

986
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 4: Oh and there it is, ladies, all right, we'll see

987
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:27,560
Speaker 4: all next cover.

988
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:32,880
Speaker 3: This is Sugar Steve.

989
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:36,280
Speaker 2: Thank you for listening to Quest Love Supreme. This podcast

990
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:38,759
Speaker 2: is hosted by a mere Quest of Thompson, Liah Saint

991
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 2: Clair Fonte Coleman, Sugar Steve Mandel, and Unpaid Bill Sherman.

992
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:46,160
Speaker 2: The executive producers are a mere Quest of Thompson, Sean

993
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:50,600
Speaker 2: g and Brian Calhoun, produced by Brittey, Benjamin, Jake Payne

994
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:55,880
Speaker 2: and Liah Saint Clair, edited by Alex Conroy, Produced for

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00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 2: iHeart by Noel Brown and Mike Johns. Audio engineering by

996
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:02,160
Speaker 2: Graham Gibson at Iheart's La Studio.

997
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:13,280
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00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:21,719
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