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Speaker 1: This is straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. What's up straight Fire, Fam,

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Speaker 1: It's me Jason McIntyre. Straight Fire for Monday, August twenty third,

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Speaker 1: Coming off a fun, fun, kind of tiring weekend. Your

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Speaker 1: boy was in Vegas. Uh, you guys know, I entered

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Speaker 1: the gambling contest in Vegas. Um, so you gotta go

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Speaker 1: out there to sign up. You can't do it over

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Speaker 1: the internet, and you gotta get a proxy to enter.

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Speaker 1: So I went and saw my guy, and of course

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Speaker 1: we made it like a little fox gathering. Um, as

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Speaker 1: you guys saw on the Instagram post. Obviously, UM, it

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Speaker 1: was fun, Vegas a little warm. Um. I will just

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Speaker 1: say I did not know you have to wear a

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Speaker 1: mask everywhere all the time. Uh indoors that is, which

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Speaker 1: made it a little kind of annoying. But hey, I

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Speaker 1: get it. You know this stuff is not fun. Um.

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Speaker 1: The pool scene was good. UM. I didn't stay on

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Speaker 1: the strip, I didn't do too much partying. But you know, listen,

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Speaker 1: it was a it was a business trip. Um, A

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Speaker 1: lot of gambling, made a bunch of futures wagers. I

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Speaker 1: posted one on the Instagram stories about Baker Mayfield winning

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Speaker 1: m v P. I know he's a long shot. I

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Speaker 1: get it. That's fine. I'm just telling you, guys, and

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Speaker 1: we'll get into it throughout the week with the guests,

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Speaker 1: starting with Kevin Clark today from The Ringer. You guys

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Speaker 1: are gonna love Kevin Clark. Smart guy. I've known him

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Speaker 1: for I don't know, probably ten years. And I will

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Speaker 1: say this before I get back to the Baker Mayfield.

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Speaker 1: When I announced the soccer team purchase of Nikosa who,

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Speaker 1: by the way, one on Sunday, thrilling game against a

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Speaker 1: awful opponent that they should have buried, and they had

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Speaker 1: so many opportunities. They only won one, nothing but incredible start.

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Speaker 1: They won three straight. They are currently I think like

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Speaker 1: seventh or eighth in the league. Um. One of the

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Speaker 1: first texts I got when I posted it was from

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Speaker 1: Kevin Clark. He's just a good dude. UM, and you're

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Speaker 1: you know, it's easy to drop a d M or

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Speaker 1: a tweet to somebody a Congrat's awesome when you get

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Speaker 1: the text, it's a little more personal. Clark, good guy.

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Speaker 1: I've known him for a while. You guys are gonna

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Speaker 1: love it. Okay, quickly back to Baker Mayfield. Everybody says

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Speaker 1: always got Pat Mahomes, m v P or Aaron Rodgers.

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Speaker 1: First of all, Aaron Rodgers is not winning another They're

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Speaker 1: not giving him back to back m VP's not happening. Um,

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Speaker 1: it's a situation with the Cleveland Browns schedule. Baker Mayfield

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Speaker 1: in year two under Stefanski, healthy running backs, incredible offensive line,

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Speaker 1: and I just think Baker has a very good year.

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Speaker 1: I don't think he's gonna do five thousand yards, forty

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Speaker 1: if they win eleven or twelve games, as I believe

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Speaker 1: they will, Baker will onecent be in the m v

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Speaker 1: m v P discussion last year significantly. Okay, it ended

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Speaker 1: up going Aaron Rodgers. He had the best year of

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Speaker 1: his career. Packers were the number one seed. You basically

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Speaker 1: got to be one of the top seeds. And I

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Speaker 1: buying the hype. I know the history will get into

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Speaker 1: it with Clark and other guests, but things look good

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Speaker 1: for Baker Mayfield. So that's just what I did make

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Speaker 1: some college futures bets, and again, you guys know how

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Speaker 1: the futures market works for the gamblers out there. I'm

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Speaker 1: not making five future bets and tying up that kind

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Speaker 1: of money long term. I'm just not for four or five.

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Speaker 1: But I'm just not doing that. It doesn't it's not

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Speaker 1: cost effective and for at least me, maybe for high

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Speaker 1: rollers listening to this podcast, Guy's worth you know, five, six,

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Speaker 1: seven million dollars. Hey, you do whatever you want with

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to reveal just yet. Um I listen.

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Speaker 1: I'm so geeked for the NFL, guys, I think you

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Speaker 1: have no idea you'll be able to tell from this conversation.

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Speaker 1: Here it is me and Kevin Clark from The Ringer.

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Speaker 1: Jason likes to think he knows everything when it comes

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Speaker 1: to sports. I know what sports stands want, but for

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Speaker 1: everything he doesn't. He knows a guy who does. Let's

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Speaker 1: who knows another guy. All right, let's welcome into straight fire.

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Speaker 1: A guy who you known about Wall Street Journal, The Ringer.

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Speaker 1: He's I mean, he's pretty famous. You know, he covers

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Speaker 1: the NFL. I mean, I expect to see him on

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Speaker 1: some late night talk shows. Kevin Clark, the Jets Center

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Speaker 1: it's I think six months out of the year freezing. Kevin,

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Speaker 1: while you're doing that, you're following the NFL, obviously, Kevin,

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Speaker 1: one of the pre eminent NFL voices. I would say, right,

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Speaker 1: would you agree with that? Well? I agree that, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I would agree that. I'm an NFL voice. I'm one

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Speaker 1: of many. I'm in the big I'm in the mixed

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Speaker 1: in with the potpourri of NFL writers were all one

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Speaker 1: Well done, Kevin. Way to bring bring up the discourse

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Speaker 1: a little bit. Um all right, let's start with UM,

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Speaker 1: let's just jump right into you wrote about Joe Burrow

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Speaker 1: and Zach Taylor. UM. I bet that, probably foolishly, that

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Speaker 1: Joe Judge would be the first coach fired. You know,

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Speaker 1: the Giants don't usually do that kind of thing, But

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Speaker 1: I'm just a Jets fan and hoping for their demands. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Zach Taylor's it's of trouble though. He better figure this

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Speaker 1: quick and for Burrow. So I spent the time with Burrow,

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Speaker 1: liked that. And it's encouraging, you know, I talked about

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Speaker 1: just saying that I very rarely get to a camp

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Speaker 1: on Brian day ball. But I think that that has

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Speaker 1: where where they where they want to where they want

426
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Speaker 1: to be. Um, but I don't think they want to rebuild.

427
00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:10,359
Speaker 1: I don't think they want to rebuild. They have t J. Watt,

428
00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:14,720
Speaker 1: They're not They're never comfortable taking a huge step back.

429
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Speaker 1: Maybe maybe maybe I know this is so sad, I'm

430
00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:20,359
Speaker 1: so so, I'm so I hope Jimmy G isn't listening.

431
00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:24,360
Speaker 1: It's possible, because I'm about to see only depressing. It's

432
00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:28,439
Speaker 1: possible that Jimmy G this time next year is in

433
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Speaker 1: sort of a Andy Dalton style role. See see that's

434
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Speaker 1: why I didn't want Jimmy G. Yes, but it's possibly.

435
00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:41,080
Speaker 1: The problem is the problem is right. The problem is

436
00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:44,960
Speaker 1: if you are not an absolute superstar, you're always in

437
00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:48,639
Speaker 1: danger of your signing somewhere or getting traded somewhere in

438
00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:52,679
Speaker 1: your team drafting a replacement for God's sakes. Yeah, I mean,

439
00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:54,800
Speaker 1: I haven't surprised. I would not have been surprised this

440
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Speaker 1: year for lines had taken a quarterback. If you're not

441
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Speaker 1: one of of guys fourteen guys, yeah, if you're if,

442
00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:06,880
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't you know, I think if you're

443
00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,159
Speaker 1: in your first two years, I think you're fine. I

444
00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:11,800
Speaker 1: mean I think that. I think that or someone like

445
00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:14,840
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray, who's shown enough to where we know, even

446
00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:17,320
Speaker 1: though he's not the top thirteen guy, we know he's

447
00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:20,159
Speaker 1: he's on the right track. But I would say that

448
00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:24,639
Speaker 1: there's just a lot of Um, I think that Jimmy

449
00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:27,199
Speaker 1: g is in the zone right now where you're in

450
00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:32,000
Speaker 1: real danger of whatever team getting you is not a

451
00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:34,439
Speaker 1: committed to you. And by the way, Jimmy is not

452
00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:37,080
Speaker 1: going to command all that much. And so that's that's

453
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Speaker 1: a definition of taking the flyer. But I mean, we've

454
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Speaker 1: seen teams take that quarterback like what the case Keenum

455
00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:45,560
Speaker 1: with the Vikings they went, didn't they go to the

456
00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:48,960
Speaker 1: what the NFC title game a couple of years back? Um?

457
00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:51,399
Speaker 1: I mean the New York Giants. We I don't know,

458
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Speaker 1: if you're with me, I think Danny Dimes is kind

459
00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:56,440
Speaker 1: of a bad quarterback, but the shell around him is

460
00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:59,600
Speaker 1: quite good. You know, if you execlute, the coaching um

461
00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,480
Speaker 1: and now you're like, is Jimmy g maybe they answer

462
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:05,000
Speaker 1: for the Giants next year. So, I mean, I think

463
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:06,800
Speaker 1: he's in a little better shape than Jared Golf. I

464
00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:08,960
Speaker 1: do feel bad for Golf. I mean that guy was

465
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:13,320
Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl, yeah with McVeigh, and he's in

466
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Speaker 1: Detroit now. Yeah, that's looking extremely bleak for Jared. Else said,

467
00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:20,960
Speaker 1: by the way, the key thing which is an accident

468
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:24,440
Speaker 1: because Sam Bradford got her and so so. So you've

469
00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:28,400
Speaker 1: seen those those situations play out. But but but it's

470
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:32,120
Speaker 1: been extenuating circumstances. I think that it's gonna be real bad.

471
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Speaker 1: So I was in Detroit a couple of weeks ago.

472
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Speaker 1: I actually no, no, no, I actually like Dan campb

473
00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:43,760
Speaker 1: before that team. I don't think that they're gonna win

474
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Speaker 1: a lot of games, But I think he knows what

475
00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:51,680
Speaker 1: motivates the rank and file NFL player, and I don't

476
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:55,160
Speaker 1: think that he's gonna work any miracles in the short term.

477
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:57,600
Speaker 1: But I think if you're trying to build a culture

478
00:23:57,640 --> 00:23:59,800
Speaker 1: and you're trying to just get get guys on the

479
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:02,520
Speaker 1: track and rowing in the same direction, I think Campbell

480
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:06,880
Speaker 1: your guy. I just think that Jared Golf is kind

481
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:09,200
Speaker 1: of going to be collateral damage when you think about

482
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:11,280
Speaker 1: the lack of town on the roster. I just don't

483
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:15,680
Speaker 1: know what he does. And then once he's not commanding

484
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:19,000
Speaker 1: some huge contract, I think he's in the I think

485
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:21,800
Speaker 1: I think he's worse than than the Garoppolo zone. I

486
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:25,240
Speaker 1: think he's he's squarely in the Andy Dalton zone. You

487
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:28,440
Speaker 1: could actually make the case that the Lions probably will

488
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:30,440
Speaker 1: pull him for the final six weeks so they get

489
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Speaker 1: the number one pick, and they tried out David right there.

490
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Speaker 1: I don't even think golf starting precludes them from getting

491
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Speaker 1: the number one overall pick. Family. How about this, They

492
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,360
Speaker 1: go from a rocket scientist, right, that's what my Patricia

493
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:48,359
Speaker 1: was to Dan Campbell, who's like basically your eighth grade

494
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Speaker 1: pe teacher. Um, that horse, it is harsh. I would

495
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:56,800
Speaker 1: also say that. I would also say that not Patricia

496
00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,639
Speaker 1: did not act like a rocket scientist. He did not.

497
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 1: All right, let's go with two teams to wrap up,

498
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,879
Speaker 1: just two random teams I need, whether you love or

499
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:11,639
Speaker 1: hate them for this season, starting with the Las Vegas Raiders,

500
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:16,440
Speaker 1: who um have problems once again financial issues depending on

501
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:20,280
Speaker 1: what you read. UM, I personally don't like what Gruden

502
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 1: is doing. Um, but they seem like they could be

503
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:26,640
Speaker 1: plucky offensively depending on if cars in like the top thirteen.

504
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:31,879
Speaker 1: But Raiders, what do you think? So? I thought they

505
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 1: had some strange offensive line moves this this offseason. I

506
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 1: like there their skill guys, and I like Gruden's ability

507
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,639
Speaker 1: to call place okay, Like we saw the funny report

508
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 1: upon the ren for beating Jail and Ramsey and practice

509
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 1: like I love that was love, that was amazing. I

510
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:53,679
Speaker 1: think there's some talent there. I just don't. Hey, I

511
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 1: don't think that they kind of like the Cardinals problem. Right,

512
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:58,200
Speaker 1: Even if they're plucky this year, they're not going to

513
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:00,680
Speaker 1: be as good as the charter with the Chiefs. They're

514
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 1: gonna get the crap knocked out of them by those

515
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:05,400
Speaker 1: two teams. So I don't hate them, but I certainly

516
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 1: don't love them. I just think it's gonna be another

517
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,880
Speaker 1: blah year. I think it's gonna be Jon Gruden doing

518
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,720
Speaker 1: a lot of complaining and I just don't I just

519
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 1: don't know what the point of that franchise is right now. Um,

520
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 1: all right. The other one is the team that probably

521
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:21,399
Speaker 1: my second favorite team this year after the Jets, who

522
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 1: we will close out with here. Uh Jacksonville Jaguars, I'm

523
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,240
Speaker 1: all in on Urban in year one, But then again,

524
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:30,159
Speaker 1: I thought Tebow would make the team. Uh, Trevor Lawrence

525
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,720
Speaker 1: rookie the year, all that stuff. Jacksonville can they can

526
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,239
Speaker 1: they sneak into the playoffs? Be deep? They can't. They

527
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 1: can't sneak in the playoffs. But they can be decent

528
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 1: this year. So they cannot sneak into the play they cannot.

529
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:43,399
Speaker 1: So for me, Jacksonville, first of all, I'm high on

530
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 1: Urban two. I think we're on the same boat. And

531
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Speaker 1: I think that a lot of times people misunderstand why

532
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 1: college coaches don't work in the NFL. Like Lou Holtz

533
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 1: famously quit the Jets after handful of weeks and just said, literally,

534
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 1: I literally said, God did not put Loue. Holts in

535
00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 1: this earth to be an NFL coach, right, Like these

536
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 1: some of these I just get there and they're just

537
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 1: like I hate this. Nick Saban famously once he realized

538
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 1: he couldn't get a quarterback, once he realized you couldn't

539
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:07,240
Speaker 1: recruit a bunch of five stars, he was just like,

540
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:09,639
Speaker 1: I'm out of here. Um. He said that in the past,

541
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 1: and I think that Urban he will have the plays,

542
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,680
Speaker 1: and he'll have the methodology and all that stuff. I mean,

543
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 1: it reminds me Chip Kelly's problem was not the place.

544
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 1: The place work. Do you remember that it was fire

545
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,399
Speaker 1: for a handful of weeks. The problem was he couldn't

546
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 1: make adjustice that that happened late in his Philadelphia tenure.

547
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:30,639
Speaker 1: That happened the entire time he was in San Francisco.

548
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 1: So Urban can learn from those mistakes and be a

549
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:38,200
Speaker 1: productive NFL coach. I just think it's gonna take a

550
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 1: while because I just think they're building up that roster

551
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 1: and it's gonna take a little bit. I think they

552
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 1: can win games. I look at it when I'm when

553
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,159
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about a team, and I'll talk about this

554
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 1: with the Jets. When I'm looking at a team that

555
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be bad once to show me something.

556
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 1: I just I just expect them to win games. They

557
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 1: shouldn't write like when like beat some teams where I'm like, okay,

558
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:01,879
Speaker 1: I see Jaguars, and that's what I Spectrum Fox Sports

559
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560
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562
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563
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,120
Speaker 1: to have thought like, oh, the Phoenix Suns just went

564
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:18,880
Speaker 1: to the finals. They had made the playoffs and forever,

565
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:20,919
Speaker 1: and the Hawks got to the conference final. So like

566
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,360
Speaker 1: everybody in the NBA's like trying to win this year.

567
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 1: But in the NFL, like, I think the Jets are realists, right,

568
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 1: and they're like, Okay, we don't have anything like we

569
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:31,360
Speaker 1: We've got to start from ground zero. We're not winning

570
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 1: a ton of games. Let's do this, that and the other.

571
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 1: And I am optimistic, but I mean, Kevin, what a

572
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 1: depressing weekend this had to be. I haven't even looked

573
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 1: to see what the McDermott verdict is is he is

574
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 1: it bad? I have not here. He was carted off

575
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 1: the defensive lineman projected as a starter, uh two days

576
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 1: after Karl Lawson was done this season. So um, I

577
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 1: cannot find anything here. Uh um. But the Lawson thing

578
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 1: is awful because the laws In signing was exactly the

579
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 1: kind of move that that you want to make. The

580
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 1: Bengals decided, for some reason to roll with Trey Hendrickson

581
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 1: over Lawson. They let Losson go Um, and then I

582
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 1: thought that was good business. And then this happens. Um.

583
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 1: There were reports this morning, and if you saw them,

584
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 1: that the Jets are probably in business for a pass rusher,

585
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 1: just to try to get something, be a trade or whatever.

586
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 1: But they're not gonna get a car Lawson. That's your

587
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 1: damn shure. And it's funny to me how quickly it flipped.

588
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 1: I was on a podcast a couple of weeks ago,

589
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 1: Jason all I mentioned was I said, I said, I

590
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 1: thought Zack Wilson was the second best quarterback in the draft.

591
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 1: He was taken second over and and people not a lot,

592
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 1: but like five people were like, you're the biggest dumbass

593
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 1: on the planet. You think he was second. I think

594
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 1: he's better than trails, Like the Jets thought he was

595
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 1: the second best quarterback three months five months ago, like

596
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 1: we're gonna be five. Conventional wisdom just flipped so often,

597
00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 1: and people start to you know, people start to label

598
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 1: a bus after a couple of practices. It has not

599
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 1: been good so far. But I also think, first of all,

600
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Speaker 1: first of all, Um, bad training camp practices can be good,

601
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 1: you know. Um, I've been to Green Bay is a

602
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 1: good example, and I'm not I'm not comparing the two,

603
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 1: but there have been some some practices where I've looked

604
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 1: at and said this is awful, And I'll talk to

605
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 1: a coach player and they're like, well, you know, we

606
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 1: were just trying to see if we could do X,

607
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 1: Y and Z. Like even example, you know, Aaron Rodgers

608
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 1: through a bunch of practicing at about training camp interceptions

609
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 1: few years ago. One of the coaches said to me, Um,

610
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 1: you know, really Aaron's good on accuracy. He doesn't need

611
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 1: to prove to himself or to the fans he's good.

612
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 1: He's can throw an accurate NFL pass. What he's doing

613
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 1: is he doesn't know if he can trust, you know,

614
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 1: the number four receiver, and he's just throwing it up

615
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 1: there to see kind of what what's possible there. And

616
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that's the case of All I'm saying

617
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 1: is the practice is for testing your limits. Mahomes does

618
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 1: this all the time. And if it's a guy like

619
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Speaker 1: Wilson who his whole thing is throwing off platform, throwing

620
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 1: off schedule, doing lots of weird stuff, it might take

621
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 1: him a while two to become a fully formed NFL player.

622
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 1: Um and to rain to rain that in for lack

623
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 1: of better term, I mean, Mahomes was ready. Everybody says

624
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 1: Homes ready to be a starter kind of midway through

625
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 1: his rookie year, But we don't know what that would

626
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 1: look like if he had actually started week one of

627
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 1: his rookie year. We don't want to know if everybody

628
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 1: was watching every single rep of his on August three,

629
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 1: his rookie year, what that would look like. Um. So,

630
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Speaker 1: I'm not saying Wilson is going to be a superstar.

631
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he's going to be good this year.

632
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 1: All I'm saying is that for young quarterbacks in particular,

633
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 1: the lack of patients to me is uh is really

634
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 1: quite stunning. And I understand why, and I understand some

635
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 1: of the over emphasis and over analyzing of everything that

636
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 1: we do now, but I just this isn't This isn't

637
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Speaker 1: Christian Hackenburg here, Okay, Like, let's let's give it some time. Yes,

638
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 1: I will admit I was not only excited for Hackenburg

639
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 1: but Donald as well. I was not excited. I was

640
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 1: not excited for um for for Hackenburg. I saw that

641
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 1: one coming Tom. By the way, it looks like I

642
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 1: never mind. Sorry, I I was trying to get a

643
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 1: injury report and I couldn't. You didn't reference um Zach

644
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 1: Wilson's awesome nickname, the Mormon Mahomes. But I've not heard that.

645
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 1: You start saying that, it's amazing. You need to say

646
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 1: that the Mormon Mahomes. It'll stick. I don't know who

647
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 1: gets credit for it. It might be Daniel Jeremiah on

648
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 1: this podcast. UM, but I think he's the one who

649
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 1: said it. And it's an incredible nickname. And obviously he's

650
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 1: not Patrick Mahomes. We know that, but it's exciting for

651
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:35,719
Speaker 1: my jets. UM, hold on, you you said something. You

652
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 1: think he's the second best quarterback in this draft. I

653
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 1: want to back up, coming into last season, how would

654
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 1: you have ranked the three quarterbacks Burrow to ah and Herbert?

655
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 1: And then how do you rank them now given what

656
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 1: you've seen? I know, sample size? Yeah yeah, yeah, okay,

657
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 1: So Burrow burrowed to a Herbert. I had him burrowed

658
00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 1: to a Herbert this time last year. The only person

659
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 1: who really remember this, Mike Channon bomb came up my

660
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 1: podcast last read before the draft last year, and I'm

661
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 1: doing I'm doing Burrow to it, just like we all

662
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 1: were on every podcast. He was going, you're really overlooking Herbert.

663
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 1: And he was the one guy who stopped me and

664
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 1: was like, I think this is being not in a

665
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 1: negative way, but he was like this, actually, this the

666
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,959
Speaker 1: framing of this conversation disrespectful. How good justin Herbert is?

667
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 1: And I remember thinking about that, and as that happened

668
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 1: last year, I said, damn, Mike cannon Bomb, he knows

669
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 1: what he's talking about. Um, yeah, well, just what we're

670
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 1: gonna about that hang there former Jets GM. I'm not

671
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 1: gonna say We're gonna let the hang there for a

672
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 1: little bit, all right, So hey, listen to me. I

673
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 1: think he went to two ANFC title games with Rex

674
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 1: Ryan and Mark Sanchez, so he did a pretty damn

675
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 1: good job building that roster. So that was the last

676
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 1: time the Jets fan was fun. But it's interesting. I

677
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 1: remember Dan Orlovsky and I went at it on Twitter

678
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 1: and I like Dan good guy over Herbert verse two

679
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 1: and he was so anti Herbert. A lot of there

680
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 1: were a lot of people in to Herbert. So but really,

681
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 1: let me ask, is it because A there was like

682
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 1: the tank for to everybody thought it was amazing. Alabama

683
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 1: and Joe Burrow was a shiny new object that came

684
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 1: out of nowhere and was putting up astronomical numbers that

685
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 1: we've never seen before in college football. Like, is it

686
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 1: just like Herbert was like the other guy who had

687
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 1: I think two and a half years as a starter,

688
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:24,879
Speaker 1: maybe three, and it was just like Oregon. Yeah, I'm

689
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 1: not comparing the two, but I'm going to say that

690
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:31,799
Speaker 1: Herbert and Mahomes had opposite problems. The reason that a

691
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,839
Speaker 1: lot of scouts missed on Mahomes was because he was

692
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,400
Speaker 1: trying to do too much because they were always in

693
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 1: the seventies sixty three shootouts and he was trying to

694
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 1: put the team on his back, and he was making

695
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 1: mistakes because of it, Okay, And Herbert was the opposite

696
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 1: where he was doing too little and he wasn't able

697
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:54,839
Speaker 1: to show what he was capable of. And I think

698
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 1: that from what I heard um, including with Daniel Jeremiah

699
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 1: we talked about this last fall. From what I heard,

700
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 1: I think that there was there was just not a

701
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 1: lot on tape of him doing the things that he

702
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 1: was doing in Los Angeles. Remember, he was thrown into

703
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:13,399
Speaker 1: the fire there after the horrible Tyrod Taylor thing um.

704
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:15,319
Speaker 1: A lot of this was an accident. A lot of

705
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 1: this was they knew that Herbert was talented, but they

706
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 1: didn't know he was this good, or else he would

707
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 1: have been started think anybody did. And so a small

708
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:24,799
Speaker 1: sample size, he played really well against pressure, which you

709
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 1: always have to watch because pressure comes into playing well

710
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 1: against pressure can come and go. But I also just

711
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 1: think that there just wasn't a huge data set or

712
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,360
Speaker 1: a tape set that showed that Herbert was going to

713
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 1: be able to do this, And so I don't necessarily

714
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 1: blame people. I still think Burrow can be a superstar,

715
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:46,919
Speaker 1: and I think that we've moved off of him so

716
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 1: quickly because he plays in Cincinnati, you know, Like I

717
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 1: think if Burrow played for for the for the Jets

718
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:55,360
Speaker 1: or the Giants or the Rams would be going. Okay.

719
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:59,319
Speaker 1: Year two, he's back, baby, and I think that he

720
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 1: got I think he was awesome. I mean Jason within

721
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 1: twenty yards last year, according a Pro Football Focus, within

722
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:10,919
Speaker 1: twenty yards of of Blinda scrimmage last year, Burrow, when

723
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 1: he was kept clean, had the best accuracy rating in

724
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 1: the history of any rookie since they started tracking a

725
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 1: fifteen years ago. He was fifth in the NFL in

726
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:21,879
Speaker 1: that metric. Okay, and that's pretty stable year to year.

727
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 1: Is clean pockets so he can make the throws. And

728
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 1: if he develops this year and and kind of gets

729
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 1: past his early training camp quirks, whatever you wanna call it. Um,

730
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 1: he's gonna make the throws for me. It's about infrastructure.

731
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 1: For me, it's about offensive line. But I still think

732
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:40,359
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow really does have superstar potential. It's just that

733
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 1: he's got he's facing a lot. Yeah, I don't know

734
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 1: that people are off him. I I said, I think, oh,

735
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 1: show that the worst quarterback in that division is Ben

736
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 1: Roethlisberger going into the season, and people are like, oh,

737
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:56,399
Speaker 1: come on, like that now, like Joe Burrow, Come on,

738
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 1: that guy is so good. Listen. He won me some

739
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 1: money last season and some money out of my pocket

740
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 1: because I didn't think he could cover a bunch of

741
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,359
Speaker 1: those games. He's never out of a game. I don't.

742
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 1: I'm with you, like this preseason stuff. I'm not flustered whatsoever.

743
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 1: But I want to go back to something else you said,

744
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 1: and I'm sorry to keep you a little bit. You know,

745
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:19,920
Speaker 1: Herbert is essentially the poster child for we don't really

746
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:23,880
Speaker 1: know anything about quarterbacks the league. I mean, Patrick Mahomes

747
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 1: was that guy, but Herbert like, he played in a

748
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 1: weird offense and now he's in a different offense and

749
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 1: he's doing other stuff. It's like why Zack Wilson was

750
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 1: incredible last year, p why you I don't know what

751
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 1: he's gonna be like in Lafleur's offense. Maybe he's amazing,

752
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 1: Like literally he could be amazing. Yes, ok So maybe

753
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,360
Speaker 1: that's a bit strong. Maybe amazing is a bit strong. Sorry,

754
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 1: but I think you can make that case with any

755
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 1: quarterback until we've seen them play to what will not

756
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 1: be amazing. We've seen We've seen it. We've seen that.

757
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 1: I'm know what I'm saying. If you haven't seen a

758
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:58,800
Speaker 1: quarterback play, you can just say, hey, maybe if he

759
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 1: gets in the right offense. And yeah, by the way,

760
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 1: on too, I'm not bashing him, and I'm sorry to interrupt,

761
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:07,840
Speaker 1: but I don't recall a rookie coming in and getting

762
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 1: pulled twice because he didn't give his team as good

763
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 1: of a chance to win year and now they got

764
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 1: I think dual offensive coordinators in Miami. The third third

765
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 1: year for Flora's third different offensive coordinator. Like, something's not

766
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 1: right there. I know they got Fuller and they drafted Waddle,

767
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,319
Speaker 1: but I'm just not seeing it with Miami this year.

768
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 1: I don't know. Um, I'm seeing it. I'm seeing it

769
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 1: in in in a positive trajectory. I'm seeing them as

770
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 1: a French playoff teams, same as they were last year. Um.

771
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 1: But unless the quarterback makes a huge shride. I'm not

772
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 1: saying massive as contention, which I think Frankly, I know

773
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 1: that sounds Polly Anish for me to say that I

774
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:51,799
Speaker 1: think that they can make the playoffs. But I think

775
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 1: that we all thought that by year three, when we

776
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:56,880
Speaker 1: saw what they were doing in a year two, that

777
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:58,879
Speaker 1: that they would be contending for the division this year,

778
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:02,439
Speaker 1: I think they're not there. Um. But to answer your question,

779
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:04,840
Speaker 1: you know, like Jordan's Love is a good example of

780
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 1: someone where I think that he's I think someone like

781
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 1: Jordan's Love is going to benefit from just sitting on

782
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:16,959
Speaker 1: a bench in the best offense in football. Not saying

783
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 1: Matt Lafleur's offensive best offense football. I'm saying that system

784
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 1: is the best system in football, and he's just gonna

785
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 1: learn from it, and that system creates easy throws, it

786
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 1: creates open guys, and when he's ready, I think he's

787
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 1: going to be at least okay, um, and so among

788
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:40,959
Speaker 1: the uh, he's not gonna be here. He's not gonna

789
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 1: be Aaron Rodgers. No one's gonna be Aaron Rodgers. Yeah,

790
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 1: there's your buzzy, there's your buzzy, there's your buzzy headline. Um,

791
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 1: but no, with the Dolphins, I think that um, I'm

792
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 1: with you toa is is number three among those quarterbacks

793
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 1: in his draft class. And I don't know, barring one

794
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:07,479
Speaker 1: of those guys really crashing down to Earth, I don't

795
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 1: know how often that can change. Because what's interesting to

796
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 1: me as you look at team, which I think a

797
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 1: lot about that the quarterbacks in that year because you

798
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 1: have Wentz, Golf and and Uh and and Prescott obviously,

799
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 1: and those guys flipped around so much where if you

800
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 1: could every five weeks you could press time out and say, okay,

801
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 1: let's rank these guys. Went Went was an MVP candidate

802
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:36,360
Speaker 1: at one point, Golf was uh, you know, made a

803
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,879
Speaker 1: Super Bowl, and Prescott is probably long term gonna, if

804
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,839
Speaker 1: he's healthy, gonna be the best of those guys obviously. Um,

805
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 1: when you consider that those two teams that that took

806
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:50,359
Speaker 1: golf and Wentz came up on them. But um, when

807
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:54,320
Speaker 1: I think about twenty, I got what you're we in.

808
00:40:54,480 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 1: When I think Burrow Herbert and uh Burrow Herbert Tua,

809
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:05,280
Speaker 1: I think it might be Herbert Burrow in Tua for

810
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 1: at least a couple of years now. I don't think

811
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:10,720
Speaker 1: that those guys are gonna football. I'm with you, all right. Uh.

812
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:12,880
Speaker 1: He is Kevin Clark from The Ringer. It is fantasy

813
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 1: football season, so I'm curious. Do you play? And what

814
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 1: is your team name? I don't. I don't play. I

815
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:23,959
Speaker 1: don't play. I play occasionally. When The Ringer launched, Uh.

816
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 1: Some of the TV writers on staff how to league. Um,

817
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 1: I don't there. I don't want to view it, and

818
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 1: I don't want to view the game of football in

819
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 1: a different way, if that makes sense. Um. I like

820
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:39,320
Speaker 1: to engage with football, like you know. I've played tons

821
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 1: of Madden in my day. Um, I've I've never I

822
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 1: don't gamble on football either pro football, gamble on college football. Um,

823
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 1: it's just for me. I want to view it. I

824
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 1: want to view it as as just passionately, as possible.

825
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 1: And I joke around about this all the time, but

826
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 1: you know, I gamble on golf more than anything, gamble

827
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:02,439
Speaker 1: on combat sports, whatever. But there will be times where

828
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 1: like Xander Shoffley on this a birdie putt, and I'll

829
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 1: just I will be more mad at Xander Shoffley than

830
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 1: any human being on the planet. Right. I would just like,

831
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 1: if I could, I would scream at Xander Shoffley, Right.

832
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 1: And sometimes when I think if I gambled on football,

833
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 1: and like Bobby Wagner dropped an interception and then the

834
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 1: next week I'm talking to Bobby Wagner, and I just like,

835
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 1: what the hell was that? Wagner? You know what I'm saying, Like,

836
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 1: that is what I'm trying to do for And that

837
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 1: is why I've never placed a bet on football, and

838
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 1: as long as my job remains the same, I will

839
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:34,719
Speaker 1: never Yeah, all right, it's a reasonable answer, and and

840
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 1: I listen. I went to Vegas. I said that earlier

841
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 1: I bet Baker Mayfield long shot to win the m

842
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 1: v P only because the schedule is super weak. Um,

843
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:46,840
Speaker 1: I think that offense rolls people. In year two, I

844
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 1: think they could win eleven twelve games. Ravens kind of

845
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 1: worry me going into the season with the injuries and

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Speaker 1: now I'm rambling, But there is a world for me

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Speaker 1: where the Browns are like the number two seed in

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Speaker 1: Just putting that out there. Kevin, you can, you can,

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Speaker 1: you can m v T m vv buzz and best

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Speaker 1: elite quarterbacks can be two different things. Yes, all right,

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Speaker 1: that's it. Kevin Clark the ringer. Uh follow him, read

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Speaker 1: his stuff. He's great. All right, Thanks Kevin. Thanks Te