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Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast

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Speaker 2: What's up friends?

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Speaker 3: Well, today we have a very special episode of the

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Speaker 3: Almost Famous podcast. We're gonna be breaking down episode three

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Speaker 3: of gen season. Obviously, as we mentioned last week, Ashley

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Speaker 3: is not with us because well she's becoming a mom

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Speaker 3: of two, and so we have a very special guest host,

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Speaker 3: Rachel will be joining us. But before we bring Rachel in,

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Speaker 3: I just wanted to take a second, you know, almost

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Speaker 3: famous to almost famous, to talk about this wild thing

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Speaker 3: that the Bachelor did. Prepping for tonight's episode. They posted

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Speaker 3: this on the Bachelorette Abc Instagram. Now it's just a

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Speaker 3: black screen with these words on it, and I'll read

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Speaker 3: them to.

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Speaker 2: You, says.

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Speaker 3: Tonight's episode of The Bachelorette contains images of a graphic nature,

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Speaker 3: including scantily clad men thrusting and gy rating. If you

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Speaker 3: have a weak heart or raging libido, viewer discretion is advised. Now,

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Speaker 3: I sometimes a'm all. Oftentimes I'm very confused that what

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Speaker 3: the show is doing and why they're doing what they're doing.

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Speaker 3: This is one of those moments for me. I'm reading

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Speaker 3: the comments below this Instagram post, and one of the

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Speaker 3: comments says, this is gross. It's not cool when you

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Speaker 3: objectify the women, but it's also not cool to do

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Speaker 3: it to the men. Maybe the talent show can be

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Speaker 3: like cooking or fixing a toilet or finding things at

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Speaker 3: the grocery store. Somebody else says, I'm choosing to believe

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Speaker 3: this was posted solely for Yoseph if you remember the

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Speaker 3: but nothing about these.

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Speaker 2: Men is steamy.

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Speaker 3: I wish they had picked better options for Jen. Well,

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Speaker 3: no matter who they picked for Jen, ABC is telling

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Speaker 3: us that tonight's episode is going to be a little weird,

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Speaker 3: a little awkward. Post makes it more awkward. They could

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Speaker 3: have just said viewer discretion advised. I think that was

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Speaker 3: actually very fair. This is this, this whole date feels

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Speaker 3: like it should have a viewer discretion advisory to it.

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Speaker 3: But the way they did it on their Instagram and

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Speaker 3: saying if you, you know, have a raging libido or

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Speaker 3: makes things weird. Well, hey, anyways, let's jump into the

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Speaker 3: episode breakdown. We'll talk more about this day. Trust me,

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Speaker 3: there's really no viewer discretion advisory on this podcast because

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Speaker 3: it's just our voices, no pictures included. So Rachel, as promised,

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Speaker 3: is joining us the Bachelor out of all Bachelor, It's Rachel,

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Speaker 3: Welcome to the Almost Famous podcast.

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Speaker 4: Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 5: Ben so excited to be here and so excited for Ashley.

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Speaker 5: I cannot wait for Dawson to get a little brother.

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Speaker 2: It's gonna be It's like a big deal.

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Speaker 3: I just texted her and said, I'm thinking about you

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Speaker 3: today and I have been because here's what's crazy to me,

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Speaker 3: and I'll i'll say it to her face when she's back,

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Speaker 3: and I meant to say it to her last week

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Speaker 3: when she you know, the first time she was pregnant,

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Speaker 3: she was stressed out. There's a lot of anxiety. She's

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Speaker 3: feeling terrible. She's really nervous. I'm telling you, like, for

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Speaker 3: this second pregnancy, you would never have known she was

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Speaker 2: It makes it.

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Speaker 4: I love it.

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Speaker 3: It gives me some confidence for my future hopefully when

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Speaker 2: In the second you're like, I can do this. This

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Speaker 4: Now I forgot that.

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Speaker 5: She was like do all of a sudden, they were like, Rachel,

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Speaker 5: It feels like it just happened crazy. It's so exciting.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm really pumped that you're here with us. It

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Speaker 3: is a gift to always talk to you, to catch

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Speaker 3: up with you. For anybody listening wondering what has been

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Speaker 5: Not too many updates, but I have had a lot

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Speaker 3: Let's dive in, but let's start here then. I'm hoping

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Speaker 3: you're with us for a few episodes. I mean, Ashley,

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Speaker 3: with the almost famous good almost good advice is what

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Speaker 3: really excited to hear your advice on obviously breaking down

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Speaker 3: the Bachelorette, some the headlines that are going to be

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Speaker 3: and we just don't know how long that's gonna be yet.

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Speaker 3: But to get us started with it comes to this

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Speaker 3: week's episode. Leading up to this is episode three. What

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Speaker 3: has been your overall opinions so far, So let's start

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Speaker 5: I was really really excited when she got announced.

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Speaker 6: I was there. I think she is.

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Speaker 5: I think she doesn't take things too seriously, but you

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Speaker 5: I feel like she's different than a lot of leads

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Speaker 5: She just feels like she brings this like youthfulness, this

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Speaker 5: like fun. It's like when you're watching her, it's not

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Speaker 6: Do you feel the same.

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Speaker 3: She's like a mix between Jojo, who also tried to

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Speaker 2: The limits a little bit. And so I do think

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Speaker 5: I do see Caitlyn now that you said that, and

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Speaker 5: then tonight like she was really spicy tonight, Like I

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Speaker 5: I was like, I liked it when I saw it

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Speaker 5: tonight she kind of put them in their place.

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Speaker 6: We'll get into that.

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Speaker 3: She definitely Okay, now we'll turn to this point the season.

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Speaker 3: Your thoughts on the guys so.

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Speaker 6: Being so, I'm gonna be honest, you should be.

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Speaker 5: The first two episodes, I was like, I don't have

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Speaker 5: Third episode, I'm seeing it a little more and I like,

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Speaker 5: I'm on board now and I see some guys that

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Speaker 2: Wouldn't be into.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So if you were the Bachelor at this point,

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Speaker 3: if you're a gin, are you saying you like them?

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Speaker 5: I think by episode three there are guys that I'm

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Speaker 3: I still would not claim that this cast of guys

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Speaker 3: I think, little cringe, a little cringe. They're kind of

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Speaker 6: Those are my favorite so far.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think those three still have potential to be like, Okay,

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Speaker 3: It just happened to be that the other supporting cast

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Speaker 6: I think Grant could be up there too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: He I'm having a hard time with Grant because he

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Speaker 3: I want to see Grant like take his guard down

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Speaker 3: think he could jump there. He hasn't anything wrong yet.

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Speaker 3: I just haven't seen him actually like converse more than

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Speaker 3: I haven't seen Samm converse. He just says all these

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Speaker 3: like really like sexual things and she's into it right now,

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Speaker 3: I don't think.

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Speaker 5: Yes, he reminds me so much of Johnny from our season,

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Speaker 5: the way he acts and the way he talks. I

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Speaker 4: I completely agree.

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Speaker 6: I think Thomas is a bit of a bully.

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Speaker 5: I think the way he was treating Sam this episode,

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Speaker 5: But I also just feel like with Devin, I guess

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Speaker 3: I wonder, Rachel, if Devin and Thomas are both gonna

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Speaker 3: And then they're both gonna be gone probably the same week,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like they're gone and they make some uproar at

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Speaker 4: Talked about their place on the beach.

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Speaker 2: That's right, because it's coming.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I can't wait.

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Speaker 3: So then we get into one on one Gin and Spencer, Spencer, Spencer,

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Speaker 3: Spencer's Spencer's a tough one. I think Spencer is a

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Speaker 5: I wrote down Clark Kent. He's just so sweet. He

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Speaker 2: Is that what you want in a husband? Though?

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Speaker 3: Does Golden retrie If if you're a girl explaining a

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Speaker 3: Are you just saying he's a fine?

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Speaker 6: Hang?

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Speaker 5: This is where I had some thought because then everyone

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Speaker 5: But when she's describing Spencer, it's giving safety.

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Speaker 4: It's giving like safe choice.

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Speaker 5: Even though he's great and it seems like they're having

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Speaker 3: He seems like a very nice guy. He was so

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Speaker 4: But he's cute.

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Speaker 3: So here's my point. I'm not saying any of that

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Speaker 3: With her, I didn't. I didn't leave this date feeling

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Speaker 3: I didn't also leave the date being like that guy

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he's nice, though.

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Speaker 2: He's a nice guy. I'm with you.

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Speaker 2: It didn't convince me of anything. It kind of honestly

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Speaker 3: Of a Zach date was it with you that season

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Speaker 2: I remember what the.

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Speaker 3: You're the story playback of life, and it was very cute,

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Speaker 5: and I don't think it's going to be Spencer, No.

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Speaker 5: I think she's going to pick someone exciting and like

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Speaker 6: I don't know if that is good.

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Speaker 2: Like you said, well, I'm going to compare it in

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Speaker 3: We're going to come back to this conversation then, because

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Speaker 2: I need a girl's perspective. This would be a moment

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Speaker 3: Ask my wife or I ask one of my girlfriends, like,

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Speaker 3: girl's perspective what you think was happening. But before we

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00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:28,520
Speaker 3: do that, we do have a flashback back to the

445
00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:31,320
Speaker 3: house at this moment where we still have Thomas and

446
00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:34,320
Speaker 3: we still have samm and we still have them upset.

447
00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:36,800
Speaker 3: They don't like Devin. That's now very clear to all

448
00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:38,840
Speaker 3: of us. They don't like each other, yet they cannot

449
00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:41,560
Speaker 3: settle this. Like they're very honest with each other. I

450
00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:43,640
Speaker 3: got to give them all that they're telling each other,

451
00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:45,679
Speaker 3: I don't like you, and as this person goes back

452
00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:47,080
Speaker 3: says I don't like you, and they say, great, We're

453
00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:49,440
Speaker 3: not gonna be friends right there. You think it would

454
00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:54,080
Speaker 3: end there, like as most groups of men function. If

455
00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:55,480
Speaker 3: I was in a room where two dudes are like,

456
00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:57,200
Speaker 3: I don't like you, and the other guy goes, I

457
00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:58,640
Speaker 3: don't like you either, and I don't want to really

458
00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:00,359
Speaker 3: fight you, because that doesn't really do us any good.

459
00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:00,600
Speaker 2: Here.

460
00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:02,080
Speaker 3: I just want you to know I don't like you.

461
00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:04,280
Speaker 3: I would be sitting on that and being Okay, well

462
00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:06,480
Speaker 3: this is good enough and it's over. Actually, this is

463
00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:09,160
Speaker 3: a big step. They seem to can't get it. They

464
00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:11,879
Speaker 3: cannot get over it. They continue to want to go

465
00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:13,760
Speaker 3: back to the fact that they don't like each other.

466
00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:14,920
Speaker 3: And I don't understand why.

467
00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:21,000
Speaker 5: I feel like Devin just has this like he has

468
00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:23,040
Speaker 5: to have the last word and he has.

469
00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:24,320
Speaker 4: To like get under their skin.

470
00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:27,000
Speaker 5: And it just feels like Thomas and sam em just

471
00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:30,240
Speaker 5: have like a short views and it's like every little

472
00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:34,080
Speaker 5: thing that he says is like setting them off. But yeah,

473
00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:36,199
Speaker 5: like you said, I mean, I don't know because on

474
00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:39,560
Speaker 5: our season, mean, Gabby, the guys did not fight one time.

475
00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:42,680
Speaker 5: You could not force these guys to have any sort

476
00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:46,440
Speaker 5: of disagreement, and it's like on this season it's constant,

477
00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:48,400
Speaker 5: and when is.

478
00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:51,120
Speaker 4: That like bomb going to explode?

479
00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:53,199
Speaker 5: It feels like it already did last episode, but like

480
00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:55,560
Speaker 5: you said, it just continues and it's still going.

481
00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:58,919
Speaker 3: It's constant, but yet it's still with a very small

482
00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,480
Speaker 3: select group of people every time, and it seems to

483
00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:03,320
Speaker 3: be happening when the whole group is in the room.

484
00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:06,440
Speaker 3: As a contestant on the show, at one point in

485
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:09,919
Speaker 3: your life, what do you think it's like or do

486
00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:12,920
Speaker 3: you remember a scenario where it was like this where

487
00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:15,520
Speaker 3: there's something like an argument is going on, something super

488
00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:18,080
Speaker 3: awkward taking place right in front of you, and you're

489
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:21,600
Speaker 3: a bystander, like you're just standing there watching this whole

490
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:27,200
Speaker 3: thing go down. Over time, it's I'm assuming it's got

491
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:28,000
Speaker 3: to get exhausting.

492
00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:32,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean on our season head Cheney, Yeah, and

493
00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:34,600
Speaker 5: that was and that would just happen in front of

494
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:36,280
Speaker 5: the group, and I remember I would just sit there

495
00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:38,800
Speaker 5: and I would literally just go like this, and I

496
00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:40,240
Speaker 5: would just try to fold.

497
00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:41,960
Speaker 6: So far away to not get involved.

498
00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:45,560
Speaker 5: But I knew in my mind, like having seen the show,

499
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:48,159
Speaker 5: I'm like, Okay, well she's going home soon. Yeah, and

500
00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:51,399
Speaker 5: this is just happening for like the TV, right, Like,

501
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:52,840
Speaker 5: she can't really be like that.

502
00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:55,399
Speaker 4: And I remember just thinking that in my mind.

503
00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:58,720
Speaker 5: But it seems like these guys genuinely have an issue

504
00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,480
Speaker 5: with each other, and it's not like they're doing it

505
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:02,520
Speaker 5: just to do it for TV.

506
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:03,879
Speaker 2: No, I don't think they're doing it.

507
00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:05,919
Speaker 3: I think they think they're in the right here, or

508
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:09,119
Speaker 3: they've somehow have been convinced that this is a pedestal

509
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:12,600
Speaker 3: they need they need to stand on. I remember during

510
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:15,679
Speaker 3: the time when Caitlyn was the Bachelor. I've said this

511
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:17,720
Speaker 3: on the podcast before, but there was a moment where

512
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:20,720
Speaker 3: with Caitlin's season, because I think she liked to push

513
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:23,480
Speaker 3: everybody so much and because she had a little wild

514
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:26,400
Speaker 3: streak to her, there was a lot of drama happening.

515
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:28,560
Speaker 3: A lot of the drama wasn't even ever shown, or

516
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:30,679
Speaker 3: wasn't shown to the extent that it was actually happening.

517
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,720
Speaker 3: It was something was happening every day, and Jared and

518
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:35,720
Speaker 3: I were sitting on the couch one evening.

519
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:37,280
Speaker 2: I remember I was had.

520
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:39,800
Speaker 3: A cocktail and he had a cocktail, and for whatever reason,

521
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:41,840
Speaker 3: we're like in our relaxing clothes kind of just chilling

522
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:44,639
Speaker 3: talking to each other about sports, and all of a sudden,

523
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:46,720
Speaker 3: like a fight breaks out right in front of us

524
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,439
Speaker 3: in the main living room of the mansion. And I

525
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:51,120
Speaker 3: remember Jared and I looked at you her like, isn't

526
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 3: this the craziest thing? Like nobody is going to believe

527
00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:56,160
Speaker 3: that this is real, really happening, Like they gonna they're

528
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:57,800
Speaker 3: all gonna think it's scripted when they watch us. We

529
00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:01,840
Speaker 3: get a front row seat at this madness, and so

530
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 3: we started to like watch it as entertainment. It started

531
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 3: to become almost enjoyable to.

532
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:11,720
Speaker 2: Us to be like, who's gonna yell at each other tonight?

533
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:13,399
Speaker 2: Why are they going to be upset?

534
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 3: But I'm thinking a lot of these guys are kind

535
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:19,439
Speaker 3: of taking that perspective. It's just like standing back being like,

536
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:21,720
Speaker 3: this is so stupid. I can't wait to you know,

537
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:26,640
Speaker 3: these dufass leave. Yeah, the problem is I don't think

538
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:28,960
Speaker 3: some of them will be leaving for a while.

539
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:32,320
Speaker 5: Oh, absolutely not. And thank God for us so we

540
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:33,680
Speaker 5: can continue to watch it.

541
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:38,480
Speaker 2: That's right. Well, speaking of wanting to continue to watch the.

542
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 3: Group date, the first group date of this episode is well,

543
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 3: it's still in Australia and it's being held and led

544
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 3: by some male professional strippers. The whole date is kind

545
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:57,480
Speaker 3: of talking about this career and then teaching some of

546
00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 3: these guys their moves, and then the guys guys are

547
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:02,760
Speaker 3: then told that they are going to perform in front

548
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:07,679
Speaker 3: of a live audience including the bachelorettes from Australia and

549
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 3: their bachelorette gin. These guys are going to perform, and

550
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 3: the date kicks off, and that's really I mean, this

551
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:16,399
Speaker 3: is a big group date, a lot of guys there,

552
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:20,720
Speaker 3: and there's a lot of let's call it art to

553
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:26,400
Speaker 3: be performed. I'll start here and say this. During when

554
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,479
Speaker 3: I was the Bachelor, we were in Vegas and there

555
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 3: was a date that was planned where the women were

556
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 3: going to do something similar like this was like a

557
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:36,400
Speaker 3: very similar setup, and I said no, like I won't

558
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 3: I won't go.

559
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,200
Speaker 2: They can go and do it and have fun.

560
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:42,119
Speaker 3: With it and have a I will not be doing this,

561
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 3: like I will not be sitting there and one asking

562
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:50,640
Speaker 3: them to do this. Also, I won't be I don't

563
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:52,880
Speaker 3: want to be a part of that publicly. I don't

564
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:54,880
Speaker 3: want everybody in the world to watch that. So your

565
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:56,919
Speaker 3: opinion on this date, now, you can disagree with me,

566
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:58,679
Speaker 3: that's great. I would love for it. I just know

567
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 3: I couldn't do it, Like for me, it didn't feel

568
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:01,639
Speaker 3: right for me.

569
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 5: I mean, as like a woman, I probably wouldn't have

570
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 5: done it wouldn't have been comfortable. But on my season,

571
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:14,920
Speaker 5: we actually had something exactly the same. Basically, we had

572
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,639
Speaker 5: like a talent show on a rainy day at the

573
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:22,399
Speaker 5: mansion and they all like were wearing speedos so and

574
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:24,200
Speaker 5: then they had to do a talent in their speedo

575
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:26,120
Speaker 5: so basically the same thing.

576
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 4: I like the day. I thought a lot of them

577
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:30,640
Speaker 4: got into it.

578
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 5: You could tell they were really uncomfortable, but some of

579
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 5: them just like really stood out and they really tried

580
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:40,680
Speaker 5: their best. Like I loved Jonathan's he had like Jen's

581
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,359
Speaker 5: name on his like, but I thought it was cute.

582
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 4: And there was Australian Rachel and Gabby there.

583
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 7: Yeah you're right, Yes, I loved it, and I loved

584
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,680
Speaker 7: the part I wrote down well.

585
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 5: I wrote Gabby because I called the girl Gabby with

586
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,919
Speaker 5: the brown hair. She was given Jen advice about sam

587
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 5: m which I thought was interesting going into what happens

588
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,920
Speaker 5: later in the Rose ceremony with that whole couch situation

589
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 5: where Jen was like, there's just so much sexual tension

590
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 5: and she was like, be careful because I picked mine and.

591
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 6: It didn't end up well.

592
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:19,640
Speaker 2: I think it's nice.

593
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, is there foreshadowing here, like what's going on? I

594
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 5: thought that was really interesting.

595
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,880
Speaker 3: The date itself. I will say, the guys on this day,

596
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 3: they showed up for it, and I have to respect

597
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:37,200
Speaker 3: him for that. I appreciate it and I respect him

598
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 3: because they gave it their all and they didn't make

599
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 3: it awkward.

600
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 2: I think if you're.

601
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 3: Going to be in this situation, you just got to

602
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 3: leave it on the dance floor, like go for it

603
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 3: and see and let it happen. I think the guys

604
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 3: did the one though. Obviously the storyline of this episode

605
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 3: is Sam in what we referred to him as the

606
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 3: love Virgin, because that's what he said he was. He's

607
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 3: very nervous, and you know what, I don't want to

608
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 3: shame him for that. I don't want to shame him

609
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 3: for not wanting to do you know this, If you

610
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 3: don't want to, I think you have every right to

611
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 3: just say, hey, not my thing. If you want my

612
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 3: personality to shine, well, this is one way that you're

613
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 3: going to see it doesn't in this environment. I think

614
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 3: he could have said that and maybe pulled her aside

615
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 3: and just been like, hey, I'm uncomfortable doing this on

616
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 3: national television in front of my grandma and my parents

617
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 3: and my sisters and everybody else.

618
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 2: And it was a lead.

619
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 3: I think you and I both could agree typically if

620
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 3: that would happen to be like I get it, like,

621
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 3: don't do it then absolutely totally cool, like I not

622
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 3: my like I'm not going to force you to do this.

623
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 2: I think that was that would have been the good route.

624
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 3: I think the route he took was super awkward, super awkward,

625
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 3: and I think he even felt awkward about it afterwards.

626
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 3: I don't know how or who told him that was

627
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 3: a good idea.

628
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 5: I wrote this same thing down, I wrote who told

629
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 5: him to throw that hail Mary? Because, like you said,

630
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 5: it's not about actually getting out there and stripping. Jen

631
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 5: just wants to see like their personality and see him

632
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 5: have fun. I think he could have taken it so

633
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 5: many different ways, or even just said hey, like he

634
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 5: ran out there and pulled her backstage for a minute

635
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 5: and they had like a little something set up backstage,

636
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 5: Like there's so many things that you could.

637
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 6: Do, and it just felt very forced.

638
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 5: Even if that is how he feels, and of course

639
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 5: I respect that if it is the way he did it,

640
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 5: I just think made everyone really uncomfortable and therefore it

641
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 5: wasn't the right way to go about it.

642
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 6: Well.

643
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 3: I don't think Jen was sitting there being like, Wow,

644
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 3: look how sweet this is. More this is you know,

645
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:48,719
Speaker 3: kind of the unspoken rule I think is those moments,

646
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 3: especially when you first tell your girlfriend that you're falling

647
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 3: in love with her, probably should be done one on one,

648
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 3: like you should probably not do it in a public

649
00:30:56,400 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 3: setting where you're one hundred feet from them over a microphone.

650
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 3: You could probably just say, hey, I'm having these feelings

651
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 3: towards you. Also, I do think there are some options

652
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 3: for sam In to participate and maybe not take off

653
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 3: a single piece of clothing. He could have made that

654
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 3: really funny. He could have made, you know, a little

655
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 3: dance while he keeps on his whole astronaut suit and

656
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 3: nobody knows what's underneath and it's hilarious.

657
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 2: He could have done a couple of different things. I

658
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 2: think his route did uh.

659
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 3: It did highlight I think that he has maybe a

660
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 3: little bit of that golden retriever energy as well.

661
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 2: Just a little bit unexperienced.

662
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 3: He's just not experienced obviously when it comes to dating. Well,

663
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 3: some of the guys, you know, take a fence to it.

664
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 3: I don't know how you take a fence to Sam.

665
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 3: And it feels like at this point, like if somebody

666
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 3: does that in front of everybody, you're like, hey, this

667
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 3: this poor guy, like just like let him kind of

668
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 3: like blow this thing up on his own. He's not

669
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 3: he's not going to crush it here, and that's totally

670
00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 3: cool with me. But some guys do get.

671
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 6: Upset going into the nighttime portion though.

672
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 2: M hm.

673
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 5: We see Thomas and Sam m literally bullying him. Yeah,

674
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 5: just so openly right by the bar where everyone's like

675
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 5: going up to get drinks.

676
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 6: I do not understand this, Like what is their issue?

677
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 4: Like first it's Devin.

678
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 6: Now they're having an issue with Sam, And.

679
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 3: You're kind of picking on on the weakest person right now,

680
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 3: Like it's very obvious that that dude did not think

681
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 3: what he did was awesome. It's not like he's exuded

682
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 3: confidence from any moment of stepping within this show, so

683
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 3: why pick on him? Like it does feel like bully

684
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 3: like behavior where you say weakest length, I'll go after him.

685
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree, And that's where I wrote, Devin actually

686
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 5: really did come across from me way better in this

687
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 5: situation because he really was standing up for him, and like,

688
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 5: I love that. I thought that was so and I

689
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 5: thought Jen handled it really well when she did talk

690
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 5: to him. But this whole Thomas and sam n situation, it's.

691
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 3: It's weird, it's weird, it's weird. But Devin did step up.

692
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 3: I do think Devon did something courageous there. Now, I

693
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 3: don't think he's handling this whole situation well. I think

694
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 3: he's definitely not not at fault for the chaos and

695
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 3: the frustrations that others have towards him. But I do

696
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 3: like that he stepped up for sam In when sam

697
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 3: In really maybe wasn't aware, or wasn't in the place,

698
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 3: or wasn't he was lacking the confidence at the time

699
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 3: to step up for himself. It's not fun on this

700
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 3: show to see somebody just kind of get beat down

701
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 3: by the bros. And it felt like a moment where

702
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 3: he was going to get beat down by the bros.

703
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 3: And I don't like that ever. On the show, it's

704
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 3: not fun to watch it's and it's not a good look,

705
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 3: you know, for the two of them. Well, that's when

706
00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 3: we find out that well, Sam m and Thomas definitely

707
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 3: don't like Devin. That's fine, that clears that up. I

708
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 3: hope we don't have to watch this three of them

709
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 3: bicker for the next two weeks. I hope some of

710
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 3: them start going home here very soon.

711
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, please, God, we.

712
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:27,799
Speaker 3: Do have somebody going home kind of shockingly on his own,

713
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 3: and that's Aaron. Aaron is Noah's brother. Aaron was gonna

714
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 3: be He was a big storyline going into the show

715
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 3: because he is Noah's brother, and Noah made such a

716
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 3: name for himself during this show and obviously is in

717
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 3: a relationship. From the show, Aaron gets a phone call

718
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 3: and I get it. I think we saw the same

719
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:47,760
Speaker 3: thing with Joan, who's now our Golden Bachelorette last season.

720
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 3: When life calls and you have a dream in place,

721
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 3: I think you have to take it, especially at this

722
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 3: point in the experience. I don't know anybody anybody can

723
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 3: get that upset with him for doing what he did.

724
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,839
Speaker 5: Greed completely, Like I'm a pilot, I would have a

725
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:09,359
Speaker 5: thousand percent done the same thing. I agree The only

726
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 5: thing I really just didn't like a little bit was well,

727
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:15,919
Speaker 5: I guess we could talk about it after like their

728
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 5: group date, but he was kind of like, well, if

729
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 5: she doesn't give me this rose, then.

730
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 6: I'm leaving, But if she gives me this rose, then

731
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:22,760
Speaker 6: I'm staying.

732
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 5: And it just kind of felt like a little weird

733
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 5: that he was basing his decision on this rose.

734
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:32,800
Speaker 3: I don't think he actually was. It's a very early

735
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 3: rose to be giving so much up for agreed, I

736
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 3: think any good advisement, and I do believe the producers

737
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 3: would probably actually have given him good advice here, because

738
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 3: for as much as they love to see the drama

739
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 3: play out, they also are like, hey, yeah, but like

740
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 3: I'm not, you know, and I'm still a normal human.

741
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 3: You should go home, like go go fly a plane

742
00:35:57,680 --> 00:35:59,840
Speaker 3: and learn this and finish this dream of years and

743
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 3: then who knows, maybe you can come back again on

744
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 3: the beach. You're in a different season. Jin was also

745
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:09,879
Speaker 3: supportive of it the group date with him, and you

746
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 3: just had mentioned it. There isn't a lot for me.

747
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know if you have many notes

748
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:15,839
Speaker 3: from that other than they you know, they raced.

749
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,959
Speaker 5: Jeremy did that cute stop the car and kiss her thing?

750
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 5: I think Austin wins and then that's it. That's really

751
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 5: all I had. Yeah, it was tiny, small, short, So.

752
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 2: Aaron goes home.

753
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 3: He did leave Jin in a weird place here, and

754
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:36,359
Speaker 3: we're getting closer and closer to the end of this

755
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 3: episode and it feels like it feels almost unhealthy. Unhelpful,

756
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 3: is what I should say for how he left it. Hey,

757
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 3: there's some great guys here, but there's also some really

758
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 3: bad guys here, So just be careful. You don't need

759
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:51,359
Speaker 3: to say that. She knows all of that already. Don't

760
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:54,400
Speaker 3: get in her head about this. And he wasn't willing.

761
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 3: If you're gonna say that, I always think on this

762
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 3: show you have to also be willing to give the details.

763
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 3: You can't just say, hey, by the way, like, do

764
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 3: some investigation. Good luck with that. You have twenty dudes

765
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 3: here to try to figure out. But some of them

766
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 3: aren't here really and they're not really great guys, So

767
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:10,799
Speaker 3: best of luck.

768
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 2: Gen see you later. Felt frustrating.

769
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 3: I think it frustrated Gin, and I do like that

770
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:19,839
Speaker 3: Jin did step up for in this moment and not

771
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 3: try to maybe even figure out who he was talking about,

772
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:24,279
Speaker 3: but just tell the whole group this is what I heard,

773
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:26,400
Speaker 3: this is what I know, and if any of you

774
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 3: are not here for the right reasons, you can go home.

775
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 3: Like that's really cool. I like, I enjoyed this moment

776
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 3: from Gin. I think it definitely solidified her as the

777
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 3: lead of this group.

778
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:42,760
Speaker 4: I agree.

779
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 5: I loved seeing that side because we've seen fun Gen,

780
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:49,839
Speaker 5: sweet Gen, but this is the first time she was

781
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 5: like kind of feisty and serious and really letting the

782
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:55,319
Speaker 5: guys know that, like, yeah, we're having fun and this

783
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 5: is like a great time and we're all here, but

784
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 5: I'm here, this is my real life, and you guys

785
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 5: need to be serious.

786
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 4: And then I loved how she was like Marcus, can

787
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 4: we go talk?

788
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 5: And I was like, WHOA, but no, I loved I

789
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:08,879
Speaker 5: loved that moment from Jen.

790
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 6: I think we needed to see that.

791
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 4: She needed it.

792
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 6: Get those guys in line.

793
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 3: They're not gonna they're not gonna mess with Jen. She's

794
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 3: they know that she has a force behind her and

795
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,840
Speaker 3: she can't put her foot down. Well, we are closing

796
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 3: up this episode. We do have to summarize everything here.

797
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:31,360
Speaker 3: When it comes to the final row ceremony, but before

798
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 3: we do that, kind of last thing I want to

799
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:34,439
Speaker 3: talk to you about is any notes that you had

800
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 3: that you're really passionate about that we didn't you know,

801
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 3: talk about. And in the same breath, I do want

802
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 3: to hear from your perspective about the couch scene with

803
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 3: Sam m and what your overall thoughts were on that

804
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 3: whole interaction.

805
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:52,880
Speaker 4: That was kind of just the last note I had.

806
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 5: I was actually like covering my eyes watching that scene.

807
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 5: It felt like something you're not supposed to watch coming

808
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 5: from me.

809
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 4: I used to do this.

810
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 5: I feel like I was the same way on the show,

811
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 5: so I have no legs to stand on with this.

812
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:09,840
Speaker 5: But he was like full on straddling her. He was

813
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 5: straddling her and then she's like, are we dating? It

814
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 5: felt like, what's happening in this situation? I think maybe

815
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:21,879
Speaker 5: from my perspective, she was just being like flirty and

816
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 5: they're all technically your boyfriends, right, so she's probably like,

817
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 5: are you going to ask me to be your girlfriend?

818
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:28,720
Speaker 4: Just being flirty?

819
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 5: But I'm not seeing any substance out of this man

820
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:35,839
Speaker 5: at all. It feels like he'll say words until he

821
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 5: doesn't have anything else to say, and then he's just

822
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 5: making out with her, Yeah, which is rich coming from me,

823
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:43,839
Speaker 5: but I don't know it is.

824
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:48,959
Speaker 3: It does seem to be a strategy on the show.

825
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 3: You can get away with that for a long time, right,

826
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,919
Speaker 3: you can have that physical connection, you can make out,

827
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 3: you can say all the right things in those ten

828
00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 3: minutes that you have and and it works for a

829
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 3: long time. I do think most seasons there is that

830
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 3: moment though, where you go, hey, maybe this isn't my

831
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:08,360
Speaker 3: long term partner. It felt like very much to me

832
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 3: like a middle school make session.

833
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 4: Middle school.

834
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, like where you're.

835
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 3: Like, I gotta like, I can't keep my hands off

836
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 3: of you, and we're fully clothed and we're gonna lay

837
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 3: on top of each other on a couch like.

838
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 2: It felt like that to me.

839
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:23,840
Speaker 3: It did not feel at all like to adults functioning

840
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 3: in a like in a in this environment, it did.

841
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:32,760
Speaker 3: It felt like something you would see from like teenagers.

842
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:35,759
Speaker 5: I can't say anything because I feel like sometimes you

843
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 5: just forget those cameras are there. That's fair again, you know,

844
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:45,280
Speaker 5: worse things have happened, not worse, just other things have happened.

845
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:46,399
Speaker 6: I think the.

846
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 5: Straddling was a little strange. Her asking about are we dating? Yeah, again,

847
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:53,800
Speaker 5: just maybe being flirty.

848
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 2: I think it's flirty. I think it's flirty.

849
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 3: I also think they're very into each other, and so

850
00:40:58,120 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 3: I think they wanted to say a lot of things

851
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 3: that were not like they weren't going to say because

852
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 3: they did. Remember, hey, we're miked when we have cameras around.

853
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 5: I think they just need to get to the fantasy

854
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 5: suite and that like, see where it goes from there.

855
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

856
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 3: I actually think they just need to have a real

857
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,240
Speaker 3: conversation and see where that happens.

858
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:17,759
Speaker 2: Because at this point I have seen it, it looks

859
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 2: like they.

860
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 4: Get a one on one next week.

861
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 2: It's good.

862
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 6: Good.

863
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:22,800
Speaker 3: I think we're gonna learn a lot and I hope

864
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:24,799
Speaker 3: we do well. We do have a few people going

865
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 3: home this week, just a few, just two. So the

866
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 3: two people going home, if you have him up in

867
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 3: front of you, please just say names.

868
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 5: Hakem and Thomas A who I had to look up

869
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 5: his name because I don't think he's spoken this season.

870
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 2: You see the one with the abs like that was

871
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 2: the only thing I remember, frown.

872
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 4: Hair, it was kind of longer.

873
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, he walked out and I think one of the

874
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:50,840
Speaker 3: Australian bachelorettes go said, oh, look at his abs, and

875
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 3: that was like the only thing we've ever heard in

876
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 3: reference till we.

877
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 6: Know about him.

878
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 5: I did like Hakeem though, his whole Spider Australian.

879
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 2: It was so I wish he was around longer.

880
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 3: And his eyes are so expressive, like he's a fun watch.

881
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 3: And I do think I am surprised he went home

882
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:12,239
Speaker 3: this early, because I do think he was a had

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Speaker 3: a main character kind of vibe about him in confidence.

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Speaker 3: But Keem goes home, Thomas In goes home, and we

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Speaker 3: move on. Now I think I'll start to know all

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Speaker 3: these guys' names. It takes me a couple weeks.

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Speaker 2: I never know their name.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, me too, Hakeem.

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Speaker 4: We'll see you on the beach.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 3: To close up this episode, Rachel, we always do it,

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Speaker 3: but we haven't done with you yet.

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Speaker 2: Your top Let's do top.

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Speaker 3: Four in order from number four to number one, Okay.

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Speaker 6: I'll do. Can I go number one down because I

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Speaker 6: forget their names?

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's fair.

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Speaker 5: Number one Jonathan, Okay, I really like him. Number two Marcus,

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Speaker 5: and then I like Dylan, yeah, and then I really

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Speaker 5: like Spencer.

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Speaker 6: So we're going to go there that.

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Speaker 2: Those four I actually if I disagree with any of those,

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Speaker 2: I think Dylan.

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Speaker 3: For me is like this, like he's been so quiet,

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Speaker 3: but yet he has such a strong presence that it's

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Speaker 3: like that guy kind of feels like one that's going

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Speaker 3: to be there a while because they're kind of not

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Speaker 3: hiding him more than just not showing him. So I

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Speaker 3: do like Dylan. I really like Jonathan. I think Marcus

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Speaker 3: would be my number three and number four. I probably

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Speaker 3: put Spencer in there as well. Yeah that makes sense

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Speaker 3: right now. I can't think of anybody I'm missing. But

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Speaker 3: it's interesting that Grant didn't make either our of our

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Speaker 3: top list or samm two people who definitely at last

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Speaker 3: week had a very high kind of presence on the show.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Sam is not going to make my list. I

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Speaker 5: don't think Okay, I don't think he's it.

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Speaker 2: You don't think he's it?

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Speaker 3: Well that is the word for this week. Rachel doesn't

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Speaker 3: think sam m is it, and I'll agree with her.

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Speaker 2: I don't think so either.

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Speaker 3: This has been another episode of the Almost Famous podcast.

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Speaker 3: We were breaking down the third week of this season

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Speaker 3: of the Bachelorette. We'll be back next week, breaking down

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Speaker 3: another episode of the Bachelorette. Stay tuned because we have

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Speaker 3: a lot of content coming your way. Rachel will be

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Speaker 3: here as our co host along the way, doing some

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Speaker 3: really fun stuff with us. I cannot wait to continue

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Speaker 3: to talk to her, continue to hear her thoughts on

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Speaker 3: this season and all the things happening in Bachelor Nations.

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Speaker 3: So until next time, I've been been.

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Speaker 6: And I'm Rachel.

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Speaker 2: Here you go.

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