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Speaker 1: Welcome to On the Job. This season, we're focusing on

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Speaker 1: how people and businesses are getting back to work. Let's

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Speaker 1: call it a great transformation, a change in the way

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Speaker 1: workers are thinking. Employers need people to work more than ever,

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Speaker 1: putting laborers in a sort of position of power. We'll

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Speaker 1: be hearing from people navigating this new normal for themselves

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Speaker 1: as they find their life's work to end. This season,

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Speaker 1: we're going to Minneapolis to meet Jessica. She's a go getter,

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Speaker 1: an eternal yes person, and a champion of the gig economy.

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Speaker 1: Without a college degree, She's hopped around a lot of

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Speaker 1: jobs over the years, trying to find what works for her,

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Speaker 1: but never really settling down. And then, amidst the chaos

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Speaker 1: of the pandemic, she had a thriving painting business kind

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Speaker 1: of before she knew it. I'm just gonna have you

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Speaker 1: introduce yourself to say your name, who you are, what

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Speaker 1: you do. I've literally have done this for other things

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Speaker 1: that it's like the worst. I'm like so bad at it.

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Speaker 1: I wasn't good in school. This is Jessica Roland. She's

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Speaker 1: thirty seven, lives in South Minneapolis. Whole job title like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: what you do? Founder and CEO of Rollin I'm still

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Speaker 1: get to use to that new title. She is the

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Speaker 1: Paint Crew. It's probably hard for her to get used

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Speaker 1: to that title because it happened fast. She started painting

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Speaker 1: houses just a few years ago, and now she's got

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Speaker 1: an LLC employees, an amazing website, and to squash some

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Speaker 1: of the misconceptions she gets about what she does. She

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Speaker 1: is not a decorator. People have a vision. You are

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Speaker 1: the person who comes in and executes the vision. Right,

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Speaker 1: I'm setting up the actual process, the operation of painting

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Speaker 1: your house. Okay, so you never you never stop people

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Speaker 1: from making horrible color decisions. No, because first of all,

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Speaker 1: you don't know you don't know what they like. Some people,

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Speaker 1: I mean, you can put up colors that you would

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Speaker 1: never do and they just they love it. And that's

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Speaker 1: that's what matters. I'm not living there they are. I

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Speaker 1: want to tell you how much money it's going to be,

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Speaker 1: and then I want to do that in that price

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Speaker 1: and have you be happy about it. Each day at

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Speaker 1: work for Jessica can look very different. She's got four

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Speaker 1: painters and a communications manager. Now if they're on a

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Speaker 1: new job. We'll meet in the morning, talk over the project.

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Speaker 1: The girls will start packing up the truck, and then

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Speaker 1: we'll call in the paint order. They head out to

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Speaker 1: wherever the project is. Jessica make sure everyone's set up.

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Speaker 1: Then I just read around like crazy and try to

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Speaker 1: rolling paints grew really fast and it's continuing to grow fast.

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Speaker 1: So Jessica is currently in a transition period where she's

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Speaker 1: setting her team up with everything they need to work

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Speaker 1: without her on site. So I'm trying to step out

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Speaker 1: of the day to day. So that's that's why it's

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Speaker 1: We'd have all those systems set up where I can

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Speaker 1: This moment of gross she's in after one of the

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Speaker 1: most insane economic periods we've seen. Jessica has been in

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Speaker 1: that mode for a while. She started on her own.

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Speaker 1: She got too much work she brought help on. Then

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Speaker 1: So now I'm trying to build the business while owning

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Speaker 1: a business. Jessica's a restless entrepreneur, she told me. Her

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Speaker 1: been that way, even when she was a kid. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: I'm actually a lot like my dad. I realized very social.

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Speaker 1: in every class. That's a big thing growing up in Minneapolis.

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Speaker 1: She says, it's a big place, but everyone knows each other.

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Speaker 1: was school that was tough. I hated school. You know,

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Speaker 1: people might have like mommy and daddy issues. I have

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Speaker 1: but it didn't go away for Jessica. Middle school started

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Speaker 1: to become a problem and the stress was there. I mean,

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Speaker 1: You're crabby all the time. It's taking all of your

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Speaker 1: I didn't have a plan. I mean, it's crazy, Like

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Speaker 1: looking back, I realized, like, oh my gosh, like what

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Speaker 1: high school that worked for and after high school, she traveled.

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Speaker 1: She spent some time in London, backpack around Europe. And

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Speaker 1: So Jessica was backpacking, living the hostile life, and she'd

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Speaker 1: So I was like, I think it's I think it's time,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to share a toaster anymore. After the

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Speaker 1: ham incident, Jessica switched gears. She wanted to make some

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Speaker 1: people were not going to hire me because I don't

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Speaker 1: of piecing things together. She was working for a local

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Speaker 1: The person who asked her just knew that Jessica's dad

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Speaker 1: right back with Jessica's story after the break. A strong

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Speaker 1: Express Jobs app. Back to Jessica. She did her first

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Speaker 1: like go on vacations and eat out and drink or

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Speaker 1: you know, just live my life. It was always still

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Speaker 1: was just like, how like I have enough money to

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Speaker 1: But eventually she had enough work where she couldn't do

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