Speaker 1: All right, y'all, welcome back, uh part two of this
Speaker 1: episode that was supposed to be part one. The first
Speaker 1: time that's ever happened to where it's like we just
Speaker 1: talked so long, it was like, yo, we should just
Speaker 1: make this two episodes, you know. So you while you're
Speaker 1: waiting in the car for Mama to finish talking to
Speaker 1: her friends, then they finally finished, so this is the
Speaker 1: Then they finally finished episode all right, dropping on the mat.
Speaker 1: So look, so let's so let's move over to Africa.
Speaker 1: Let me let me up how you all about Ethiopia?
Speaker 1: Um and again, like this this relation of like just
Speaker 1: understanding what happens when like power don't like each other
Speaker 1: and who ends up suffering. I think it's like one
Speaker 1: of the greatest stories about this uh so again going
Speaker 1: on right now? Like an it like every other place,
Speaker 1: you gotta go back a hundred years to really understand
Speaker 1: where we're at. Right So essentially this Ethiopia one of
Speaker 1: the only countries that was never actually colonized during the
Speaker 1: age of expansion, like and they will remind you often
Speaker 1: that they yeah they yeah, so yeah. So it's one
Speaker 1: of is one of the few countries on Earth that
Speaker 1: weren't right during that the age of imperialism and UM. Anyway,
Speaker 1: how they did it was like uniting the Ethiopian Empire
Speaker 1: kind of united a bunch of different you know, tribal
Speaker 1: ethnic lands to make one good front against the encroachment. UM.
Speaker 1: And basically this is like sort of like the origin
Speaker 1: story of somebody like a Holly Selassie, you know, you
Speaker 1: know who eventually became you know, patron saint Savior for
Speaker 1: Rostafarian is my family, yeah so you know, my blood
Speaker 1: but yeah, yeah, so anyway, so that was like I
Speaker 1: grew up around that. Yeah so yeah, so this, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So he became the first
Speaker 1: official emperor once all these things united, and like why
Speaker 1: he became such a like um special character was like
Speaker 1: when so they were invaded by Italy. So Ethiopia was
Speaker 1: invaded by Italy. They captured Idis Ababa, but they were
Speaker 1: never able to colonize because he came back basically with
Speaker 1: British help because a Turia was a British colony. So
Speaker 1: he came back with them, drove out the Italians established
Speaker 1: the empire an official empire as a country. Now, so
Speaker 1: he's like this like so he disappeared and came back
Speaker 1: returned like the Messiah, you know what I'm saying. Occupiers Right,
Speaker 1: So anyway, um built this thing. Uh, and just like
Speaker 1: every other place, it's like the country is cobbled over
Speaker 1: by different sort of tribes and ethnicities. He was umhada right,
Speaker 1: And that trial ended up basically doing what everybody else do,
Speaker 1: like just hitting all the imperial empire notes, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, where it's like everything is great for us.
Speaker 1: Everybody else serves its empire, You pay tribute, YadA, YadA,
Speaker 1: just normal empire building. Right. Um. Eventually, like anything else,
Speaker 1: people get tired of that. Right now, move take us
Speaker 1: into the Cold War era, and again we hit all
Speaker 1: the Cold War notes right where everybody trying to like Stak,
Speaker 1: they claims clues on their side, who's on the side.
Speaker 1: Up comes this dictator in the seventies and eighties, name
Speaker 1: Men gets to Men gets to that's his name, right,
Speaker 1: name Men gets too. So again hits all the notes
Speaker 1: Soviet backed crushing, you know, killing opposition, crushing things, big
Speaker 1: old military. No, not yet, we're not gonna get to right,
Speaker 1: that's coming up next, right, So but he's this yes,
Speaker 1: so he was this just horrible, even the stuff when
Speaker 1: we was we was kids, and like the sort of like, oh,
Speaker 1: the famine in Africa, you know, in in Ethiopia was
Speaker 1: because of him. He was blocking a you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, and like making sure like using using famine
Speaker 1: as a weapon. Right, Obviously everybody gonna get tired of this.
Speaker 1: This is where the TPLF comes in. So the t
Speaker 1: gray Ins and the t PLF and the Atriens the
Speaker 1: e PLF click up, gather up all the other tribes
Speaker 1: and like we're gonna drive this man out. So they
Speaker 1: drive him out in his empire. This is in the nineties, right,
Speaker 1: And after they clicked up, they were like, yo, we
Speaker 1: gotta establish a government. So they choose a guy named Melissawawi. Right.
Speaker 1: So he's the t Grayan, right, So he's the he
Speaker 1: was ruling for a long time. He was ruling for
Speaker 1: a long time. Right. So he has the idea of
Speaker 1: rather than doing empire like everybody else do empire, he
Speaker 1: was like, we'll do a semi democracy, will divide up
Speaker 1: the place in the like ten different provinces that are
Speaker 1: broken up by tribe and ethnicity, right, and those tribe
Speaker 1: and ethnicities eventual become like the political parties, but he
Speaker 1: is t Griyan, right, So now that t Griyan, you know,
Speaker 1: the TPL left. They only represent like six percent of
Speaker 1: like the actual ethnic population, but they click up and
Speaker 1: they maintain most power right for a long time, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And at this time when he's like, yo,
Speaker 1: let's set us up like this, Aria been thinking for
Speaker 1: a while, like yo, we're trying to split off. Because
Speaker 1: they were a part of Ethiopia at this time, they're like, yo,
Speaker 1: we want our independence and Zawim was like, okay, cool,
Speaker 1: I mean you can have it now. Remember you you
Speaker 1: bordering like a Tria borders the t Gryan region, right.
Speaker 1: So they was like they was like, look, we're trying
Speaker 1: to bounce and he was like yea, I can't go
Speaker 1: like this is what we did. It is like well
Speaker 1: we leave it. So it's like okay, well y'all leave,
Speaker 1: but you gotta leave the city a bad made to us, right,
Speaker 1: and they like the fun You can't just get this
Speaker 1: city no, right, you know I'm saying. So now they're
Speaker 1: trying to like beef over who gonna be like you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying now, we got two countries. Somebody
Speaker 1: got to be the big dog in this region. So
Speaker 1: so they so from like all the way to I
Speaker 1: want to say, like two thousand twelve, homie, Like these
Speaker 1: people were, uh, warring, warring, warring, warring over where the
Speaker 1: border is, who gets this city again? Humanitarian crisis, all
Speaker 1: this stuff is happening. And remember right now since t
Speaker 1: Gray they so up in the government because the president
Speaker 1: is t Gran right, essentially they got all the weight
Speaker 1: of the entire Ethiopian regime, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: helping them fight this war. Now. Meanwhile, while they focused
Speaker 1: on all this, everybody else messed up because they're like, yo,
Speaker 1: we're not getting stuff. You've got a roma uh or
Speaker 1: the Aroma the Amadas, who are like number wise the
Speaker 1: biggest population, and they're like yo, like we what the what?
Speaker 1: They were really like really subjugated all bad, yes, and
Speaker 1: and it's like but then again, like the ship is
Speaker 1: so messy and opplicated because remember four decades they were,
Speaker 1: they were on top during the imperialistic times, you understand
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So once so once they were brought down,
Speaker 1: it was like, well ship, then now that ship's happening
Speaker 1: to us, you know what I'm saying, and uh so
Speaker 1: uh eventually, you know, Moles becomes more and more authoritarian, right, uh,
Speaker 1: like they always do, you know what I'm saying, like
Speaker 1: consolidating power all this stuff. And then eventually Melee's dot
Speaker 1: Moless dies in two thousand twelve, right, uh, never gets
Speaker 1: taken out, he dies, um power vacuum. People try to
Speaker 1: like the vice president of every everybody trying to keep
Speaker 1: the energy going. Everybody trying to keep it cool. But
Speaker 1: nobody's happy. Right. Finally two thousand I mean they running,
Speaker 1: they running up elections. Nobody believes the elections. It's just
Speaker 1: again hits all the notes. Finally two thousand eighteen, the
Speaker 1: guy that's up there now, uh Abbi AFMD Right, So
Speaker 1: Abbie becomes the president. Everybody loves him, like because he's
Speaker 1: the first of all, he's the first a Romo president
Speaker 1: since there since there was ever a constitution, So he's
Speaker 1: the first one. Everybody has always been to Graham, right,
Speaker 1: so he's the first, he's the first one. Right he
Speaker 1: um Broker's this peace treaty wins the Nobel Peace Prize
Speaker 1: because he finally ends the war between a Tria in
Speaker 1: Ethiopia by just giving them badman right now? Okay, so
Speaker 1: he just yeah, fuck it, you can have it, right.
Speaker 1: T Grys like did you just give them up? You
Speaker 1: just gave them our city? Like what the you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying? Like you, They're like, look, we stepped
Speaker 1: down once, we let somebody else in once. This is
Speaker 1: what the fun happens, right They and so Abby and
Speaker 1: m is like, look, man, I'm here for peace. Man,
Speaker 1: like we've been like we just look, we need to
Speaker 1: be unified. This ship is old, like can we finally
Speaker 1: be a nation? So at this point he started like
Speaker 1: removing powerful t Grayans from FIST because he was like,
Speaker 1: y'all run like y'all't even be a part of this. Eventually,
Speaker 1: he decides to consolidate his party, so he takes three
Speaker 1: out of the four big ruling parties, puts them all together,
Speaker 1: and he makes a new party called the Prosperity Party.
Speaker 1: Hits the t Grains like, yo, y'all down. They was like, no, no,
Speaker 1: I'm not joining your party. We because we know what
Speaker 1: the funk you're doing, right, Yeah, exactly, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So they're like, yo, we know what you're doing.
Speaker 1: He like, all right, whatever, okay, So y'all y'all don't
Speaker 1: y'all don't want y're not down with the party. Y'are
Speaker 1: not down with the party. It is what it is, right,
Speaker 1: We're gonna keep it pushing now. So now he's starting
Speaker 1: to like basically what he's doing, what he's saying he's
Speaker 1: doing is like what I'm moving around. I'm moving around
Speaker 1: like decentralizing power. Man, Like y'all y'all have had the power.
Speaker 1: So I'm like put different people in there, Grinds, Like,
Speaker 1: it's sound to me like this this just seemed vengeil
Speaker 1: it just like it just seemed like you making everybody
Speaker 1: else feel like you know, you this big peacemaker guy.
Speaker 1: But I'm like you just you're just taking us out
Speaker 1: one by one, Like I don't get yeah exactly, I'm like,
Speaker 1: you see you you consolidating power. I know what you're doing. Right,
Speaker 1: Eventually all the way up to when it was time
Speaker 1: for a new election, Uh, I'll be cancels the election
Speaker 1: because of COVID, right at least that's what he says.
Speaker 1: That Grinds are like, Nah, that's a cover, homie, That's
Speaker 1: not why you're doing that because if we was able
Speaker 1: to run some elections, we can now build a new
Speaker 1: power base to possibly challenge you. I know what you're doing.
Speaker 1: And he was like or whatever, right right, yeah, so
Speaker 1: they was like this. They all went home, So everybody
Speaker 1: all the grind. Everybody went home, and they was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're gonna run our own election. And Abby's like, you
Speaker 1: just could. You can't just run your own election. They're like,
Speaker 1: watch us, watch us win our own election. And he's like, okay, cool,
Speaker 1: you're gonna run your own election. Then I guess you
Speaker 1: don't need none of these federal refunds. So he kept
Speaker 1: his money, you understand what I'm saying. And they're like
Speaker 1: and they're like, oh, you're just gonna keep the money.
Speaker 1: But then you need to come get your military about
Speaker 1: our hood. Then, so then they take over. So then
Speaker 1: they take over the military basis, right, And then I'll
Speaker 1: be like, you can't just take over these military basis,
Speaker 1: you know what you're trying to you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So it's like, all right, we need to send somebody
Speaker 1: up there, right, So they like, if you're gonna send
Speaker 1: somebody up here, you just said I'm saying that I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: that's what it is. I'm with the chefs. Let's go
Speaker 1: yes on now. And they like, and I've been watching you.
Speaker 1: I know what you did with this area. You don't
Speaker 1: give a funk about that. You're just trying to get
Speaker 1: us surrounded. Because when you go up now, you didn't
Speaker 1: made you didn't made an ally out of Atria and
Speaker 1: now just t Griyan's. You don't made them our enemy
Speaker 1: because they all are borders since you gave them. Now
Speaker 1: I'm surrounded. So when a triaria comes in to t Gry,
Speaker 1: to t Grid, and now you got Ethiopian armies or
Speaker 1: the government armies coming in from there. Now you got
Speaker 1: uh the horror and all the other and all the
Speaker 1: other ethnic minorities that are like, yo, this is our shot.
Speaker 1: So they start shooting there too. So now gray t
Speaker 1: Grays getting chipped off by all these different pieces. And
Speaker 1: and then it was like you said, now it's just
Speaker 1: all out war. It's just all's fair in love and
Speaker 1: war right now. So when you talk to the UN,
Speaker 1: they like, listen, it's war crimes. All y'all commit war crimes.
Speaker 1: Everybody guilty. You know what I'm saying, there's a huge
Speaker 1: My my friend was there like um shooting Williams a
Speaker 1: great reporter, and he was like, he was like, it's
Speaker 1: just everywhere. Every side is the worst part of it
Speaker 1: is the rape as a as a weapon of war.
Speaker 1: He said, it's so so bad, you know, like it's
Speaker 1: just disgusting money, Yeah, from everywhere, so not just t
Speaker 1: gray like literally Ethiopians slouring to grains, two grains, raping
Speaker 1: this and this one raping. Like it sounds so bad, mom, disgusting.
Speaker 1: War is so grizzly, but yeah, it's it's exactly at
Speaker 1: it's all bad, and it's all bad on every side
Speaker 1: and then side, like I know, there was a few
Speaker 1: seas fires, nothing happened, Like Yo, what they're saying is
Speaker 1: like look that that which is so interesting. They're like
Speaker 1: Ethiopia like is just as polarized as like western countries are.
Speaker 1: They're just as polarized as America is right now. So
Speaker 1: there's like they're like, we don't know what they're like,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Like most experts that I've been I
Speaker 1: was that I was as I was going through preparing
Speaker 1: for this, they were all like, look, I don't know,
Speaker 1: Like like everybody kept saying that. They was like, I
Speaker 1: don't know, we just need some help, man, like they
Speaker 1: just send us like goddamn, we just need some help.
Speaker 1: I remember I remember watching one thing where someone was
Speaker 1: saying that, like, you know, it can't really exist as
Speaker 1: a country now, like it just can't. Like it's gonna
Speaker 1: have to fracture, you know, because of the the Canton
Speaker 1: situation just obviously didn't work out. Yeah, it's a big one.
Speaker 1: It's a big one. And it's just like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: think we did like I think we've done about three
Speaker 1: podcasts episodes on it. Yeah, and it's like, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: just going on and on and yeah, that's stop. It's
Speaker 1: just fades out the news it's going to meanwhile, you know,
Speaker 1: just horrible war crimes going one. It's a really it's side,
Speaker 1: it's side, like what can you do? You know, it's
Speaker 1: so side doc and that Yeah, that that like existential
Speaker 1: dread obviously is not what we're doing is for. But
Speaker 1: just like like you said, just that fellowship of just
Speaker 1: the humanity of it all to be like this is
Speaker 1: this is happening right now, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: And it's still happening. Yeah, like you said like there's
Speaker 1: and like we said before, like the nuance of the
Speaker 1: fact that like I get again the what happens when
Speaker 1: you try to cobble together an empire people that ain't
Speaker 1: asked to be a part of our empire? You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like this this ship that happens. Then
Speaker 1: just like you said, you weren't allowed to speak in
Speaker 1: your accent, like how to punk high? Like how like
Speaker 1: I don't know how to not in your own land less? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Like what the hell amo, what the hell are supposed
Speaker 1: to do? Yeah? Yea. So lastly, let's talk about Yemen.
Speaker 1: You are you up on Yemen? Yeah? So, so the
Speaker 1: war and Yemen, it's been going on since it's essentially
Speaker 1: a civil war. So the Hoothy tribe tribes in which
Speaker 1: tribe is a kind of It's a tricky way of
Speaker 1: explained it because when you think of tribe at least
Speaker 1: as like Western as we think of a tribe as
Speaker 1: like kind of a close knit kind of group. Maybe
Speaker 1: maybe not close knit, but at least like you know,
Speaker 1: neighbors whatever. But it's a bigger situation that you know,
Speaker 1: it's more like an ethnic divide. I guess, like we
Speaker 1: were just talking about So the situation is with the
Speaker 1: hardy lad like Yemeni government and the Houthie is basically
Speaker 1: just being like right, you know, we don't agree with
Speaker 1: that anymore. We don't you know, what's happening with you.
Speaker 1: We don't like the same old thing of like okay,
Speaker 1: then we want we want our kind of defenses now. Um.
Speaker 1: But the other you know, the government has Saudi Arabia
Speaker 1: on its side, and you know, and as well, in
Speaker 1: a way, America's kind of help, I guess in that
Speaker 1: sense absolute croxy, you know, via proxy via Saudi Arabians,
Speaker 1: and Britain's as well. Um, my country sells a devastating
Speaker 1: amount of weapons to Saudi Arabia. Um. And it's very
Speaker 1: ironic that you know, Western countries known about jahadism and
Speaker 1: extremism and then selling selling weapons to Saudi Arabia, which
Speaker 1: is one of the most brutally authoritarian countries on the planet.
Speaker 1: But again oil, oil and power shifting. Um. So anyway,
Speaker 1: you've got like you know, essentially you've got like these
Speaker 1: these militants of the Hooties. And I don't want to
Speaker 1: make out like the Hooties are some like lovely moral
Speaker 1: rebel force. They've done a hell of a lot of
Speaker 1: bad stuff as well, and they're kind of they're quite
Speaker 1: tricky to film with because they're quite keen on like
Speaker 1: kidnapping reporters mostly for money, you know, mostly for money.
Speaker 1: It's not like an Isis style thing, but still it's
Speaker 1: not it's not the best UM. And then you've got like,
Speaker 1: you know, Saudi jets dropping bombs, and like we were
Speaker 1: talking about earlier, the I mean the warrior, I could
Speaker 1: go into the war and the conflict, but essentially the
Speaker 1: real reason, the real issue here is literally millions of
Speaker 1: people under starvation, you know, under under famine because of sieges,
Speaker 1: because of power supply lines bombed because this group controls
Speaker 1: that bit of land and this one controls that bit
Speaker 1: of land. And it gets to the point where you're
Speaker 1: talking about just everyday normal men, women, children, civilians just
Speaker 1: stuck under these areas and there's no food UM, and
Speaker 1: often the aids, the AID convoys can't even get in.
Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia obviously doesn't want them getting in UM. And
Speaker 1: then even sometimes you know, the hoo thieves themselves will
Speaker 1: end up attacking the wrong person, you know, for whatever reason,
Speaker 1: and it's a very very hard, hard situation. And then
Speaker 1: it's even get in there. You have to go from
Speaker 1: like djabooty and then to like take a boat, you know,
Speaker 1: to this tiny little bit where the who these are
Speaker 1: and it's just a very very tricky place. The terrain
Speaker 1: it's like mountainous rocky, like perfect for gorillas. Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a really bad situation. Um. And literally I remember
Speaker 1: just reading like a million um like Yemeni children are
Speaker 1: like on the brink of death from starvation. There's one
Speaker 1: reporter I know, I won't say his name because he
Speaker 1: kind of is in and out the country and he
Speaker 1: has to be careful, but he documents a lot of
Speaker 1: um the children. You know, he's always with the children,
Speaker 1: and you know some of the videos he puts out,
Speaker 1: you're just talking children with it with ankles like like pens,
Speaker 1: you know, like thin, tiny little it's just absolutely awful.
Speaker 1: Babies dying, you know, you know, it's just so so
Speaker 1: bad man. And for a while there was some kind
Speaker 1: of you know, I know in Britain, I remember seeing
Speaker 1: some stuff about like you know, the aid appeal for Yemen.
Speaker 1: But it's just it's just really faded off and they
Speaker 1: didn't get food, you know, I haven't like oh it's
Speaker 1: okay now, and it's like vanished, yeah from whatever. Real
Speaker 1: there was like like both sides is guilty of Like yeah, yea,
Speaker 1: without a doubt. I know that as well. The Hoothies,
Speaker 1: you know, while saying that the Saudi Arabia not to
Speaker 1: excuse them at all, but whilst the Saudi Araia said,
Speaker 1: oh they're blocking the aid, it's like, well or anything
Speaker 1: about the Hoothie is like stealing and selling the a
Speaker 1: as well. Yes, yeah, totally just awful man. Yeah you
Speaker 1: got like so you got like just a little backup
Speaker 1: for for the listeners. You had Ali Abdalla sal right
Speaker 1: um president for twenty years, horrible dude, drain the country
Speaker 1: right during the Arab Spring two thousand eleven. They was like, yo,
Speaker 1: we gotta get this dude out of here. And the
Speaker 1: dude that led in the people that lad that where
Speaker 1: you're saying, we're the hoothies right, um yea a lot
Speaker 1: of them. Yeah yeah, kind of devolved into hoot verses
Speaker 1: whatever now the case. Yeah, so then you got so
Speaker 1: then Saudi Arabia, who's like big dog in the city.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying with the g c C,
Speaker 1: which is a Golf Cooperation Council, So it's like a
Speaker 1: bunch of different things. They come in and they're like, okay, cool, Well,
Speaker 1: if y'all don't want him, here's your guy, who was
Speaker 1: eventually the vice president. They're like, all right, we'll put
Speaker 1: him there, and um he's a shia. Uh. Nothing changes,
Speaker 1: it's all bad um. And then it gets super weird
Speaker 1: because Sally Sally switched sides, right, so at least switches sides, uh,
Speaker 1: every so that the g c C shuts everybody down.
Speaker 1: They're like, look, we want our guy. That's who we are.
Speaker 1: And the g c C is where the side of
Speaker 1: your radio money come in, right, Um, Hohothis are like, man,
Speaker 1: funk y'all. You know I'm saying, uh, we're gonna do
Speaker 1: our own thing. And apparently they so they're getting they're
Speaker 1: getting who's getting whose side? Who's who side is the
Speaker 1: rock on? Um that's where I get kind of mixed up.
Speaker 1: So it's like, yeah, so I think no, certain So
Speaker 1: it's around the hoothie by Irun. The Houthis are backed
Speaker 1: by Irun. Yeah yeah, well yeah they are, but like
Speaker 1: it's not there's not that much. Yeah, that's exactly exactly.
Speaker 1: So it's like they get to be like, well we
Speaker 1: I mean, we're not gonna jump in, but we ride
Speaker 1: with them, you know what I'm saying. It's like a
Speaker 1: little bit. We'll give them a few things, have a
Speaker 1: few things here and there, but on the low, low low,
Speaker 1: like you said, like America, Britain, France, we keep sliding
Speaker 1: sliding money into Saudi. What I'm saying, to help them
Speaker 1: take care of this situation because again for us, like
Speaker 1: you said, we need that oil. I need I need
Speaker 1: over here, we need a homey over here. We need
Speaker 1: to be good in this hood over here. So like
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make sure you're happy. If y'all don't like them, Okay, cool,
Speaker 1: we don't like that, you know what I'm saying. I
Speaker 1: think Yemen is a great example of how these nations
Speaker 1: operate and don't have an actual moral compass because you know,
Speaker 1: you're talking about literally billions Britain. I don't know about America,
Speaker 1: obviously it's billions as well, but Britain, Little old Britain,
Speaker 1: billion billion pounds weapons, arms, shipments, and side deals. Yea
Speaker 1: psycho with with with um with with Saudi Arabia, who
Speaker 1: is facilitating the starvation of over one million children. I just,
Speaker 1: I just, I mean, don't you know. I'm not like
Speaker 1: I don't hate my country or anything like that. It's
Speaker 1: but a state is a state, you know what I
Speaker 1: mean exactly, it's all the interests of the interests. You know,
Speaker 1: Listen what I'm all. I'm all with my my saying
Speaker 1: is always like this, like I don't hate America, I
Speaker 1: just demand she keeps her promises. I'm like, yeah, that's
Speaker 1: just like be what you said you was gonna be
Speaker 1: like this. I believe the brochure, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: The brochure said, you know, man, this this and this.
Speaker 1: When I got here, yourself saying it wasn't that. So
Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, just be like you said you was
Speaker 1: gonna be. You feel me. If you're trying to be
Speaker 1: a force for good, you you're trying to like you said,
Speaker 1: you're trying to rally everybody for Ukraine. I'm like, what then,
Speaker 1: fan will stop paying for a civil war? Like what
Speaker 1: did you talking about? It's even closer to home than that,
Speaker 1: you know, Like, so for example, the EU, you know,
Speaker 1: the European Union, which was never a moral labor, it
Speaker 1: was just an economic of thing. The EU puts billions
Speaker 1: into something called Fortress Europe, which is basically UM to
Speaker 1: stop refugees getting into Europe. So Europe is the EU
Speaker 1: is talking about our refugee refugee and Europe is also
Speaker 1: the reason and its partners if you want to look
Speaker 1: at the extended reason refugees are coming to Europe. But
Speaker 1: the EU is the reason that these refugees are drowning
Speaker 1: in the sea. And it's like, hang on, you literally
Speaker 1: putting billions into that. And then there's also front Text,
Speaker 1: a company, an EU company that recently, it was found
Speaker 1: out by a very good German reporter they knew the
Speaker 1: EU knew about the Greek pushbacks. And the pushbacks is
Speaker 1: when the Greek ships were basically toppling over refugee dinghies
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, you know, and the EU knew
Speaker 1: about the in advance and covered it up. And you
Speaker 1: know that's what the EU did. And literal babies dying
Speaker 1: in the channel. Um. And I'm not saying I have
Speaker 1: an answer. I'm not saying that we need to do this,
Speaker 1: we need to do that. I just think at a
Speaker 1: very bare minimum. Just understand that everyone is complicit. You know,
Speaker 1: everyone is complicit, and I know it's a very doomish,
Speaker 1: gloomish way to be, and I understand why people don't
Speaker 1: want to be, but I think it's a more honest
Speaker 1: way to be personally. If you're talking about, oh, we
Speaker 1: live in here and it's great, Let refugees of Ukraine,
Speaker 1: let them in great. I've been to Ukraine i think
Speaker 1: eight times. Some of the nicest people I've ever met,
Speaker 1: hard workers, great people, exactly the same as Syrians. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like it's like, I'm sorry, but like the idea that
Speaker 1: this one is different to this one, it's like, well,
Speaker 1: what is the difference? And I think it becomes clear
Speaker 1: what the difference, you know what I mean? And it's
Speaker 1: actually yeah, and it's very sad actually because Europe is multicultural,
Speaker 1: you know, in Europe is strong off the back of multiculturalism.
Speaker 1: So then why then is it suddenly reversing backwards? You know,
Speaker 1: it's very sad. I don't know, it's try not to
Speaker 1: look into it too much because it's just depressing. But again,
Speaker 1: it shouldn't be oh fuck Ukrainians, absolutely not, but it
Speaker 1: should be like, yes, Ukrainians and like, let's let's help
Speaker 1: everyone else. Not to say that, not to say that
Speaker 1: Europe hasn't helped, you know, I mean Europe has done
Speaker 1: so much, you know, to be honest, for a lot
Speaker 1: of like people in the Middle East, Um and a
Speaker 1: lot of Middle Eastern countries have not done enough for
Speaker 1: the people in the Middle East, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: But again, there is the issue that, well, a lot
Speaker 1: of people in Middle East don't want to just go
Speaker 1: to another country that is has a war in it
Speaker 1: because of the US invasion or you know, so it's
Speaker 1: a kind of catch twenty two, right, It's like, well,
Speaker 1: why did they come here? Well, because because you know,
Speaker 1: there's a war right next to them. There's a war
Speaker 1: in Syria, there's a war in Iraq. You know. It's like, well,
Speaker 1: you know, they can't go to Saudi Arabia because you know,
Speaker 1: if they step out of line, you can literally get
Speaker 1: executed for nothing. So it's like, yeah, it's all. It
Speaker 1: all kind of circles back on itself, and it's like, well,
Speaker 1: there is there is a reason that that you know
Speaker 1: that this is that Europe is the flashpoint. And I
Speaker 1: find it very odd that I don't know, so so
Speaker 1: many people are just um. Again, I don't want to
Speaker 1: be the contrarium. But it's like there is a reason
Speaker 1: people don't just suddenly go, yeah, I'll leave my whole
Speaker 1: life and then I'll get on a dinghy with my
Speaker 1: child to maybe drowned to death. Like people people in
Speaker 1: the Middle East love their kids the same way people
Speaker 1: in Europe do, you know, And it's it's just a tragedy,
Speaker 1: you know. And one thing I will say as well, yeah,
Speaker 1: like a lot of this is pushed by not pushed,
Speaker 1: but some of this weird sentiment I only really here
Speaker 1: in the media. Like you know, you talk to Ukrainians,
Speaker 1: of which I'm talking to loads a lot of friends
Speaker 1: trying to get into Poland and stuff like that, and
Speaker 1: they're like, yeah, I was hanging out with you know,
Speaker 1: because obviously it's quite a homogeneous country, you know. And
Speaker 1: I was talking to a friend of mine the day
Speaker 1: and she was like, oh, like I stay with this
Speaker 1: Afghan family, like you know, the asper are like quite
Speaker 1: a few generations refuge Like wow, I've never met anyone
Speaker 1: from Afghanistan. Oh what they went through was so similar
Speaker 1: to you know what I mean, but just in it
Speaker 1: because obviously Russia invaded and totally and it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: like the people themselves and not I've not seen them
Speaker 1: beyond TV like let us in why they're kind of like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're just doing our thing. A lot of this ship
Speaker 1: is coming from very very backward thinking people in the media,
Speaker 1: and like you said earlier, the saddest thing is a
Speaker 1: lot of them don't even realize what they're saying. At
Speaker 1: least when someone is nasty, the racism comes from a
Speaker 1: place of evil at least you know where they are
Speaker 1: exactly right, Okay, you're the one to not try or whatever. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're trashed, Like I don't even you know, they don't
Speaker 1: even talk to me, Like, but you know when it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: they think that they're just saying something that the kind
Speaker 1: of the repressed in a racism is just when it
Speaker 1: comes out, it's like I see, I see where this
Speaker 1: has been going for all this time. You know. So
Speaker 1: we're so dub Thank you so much, Jake. We're coming
Speaker 1: in on an hour and thanks very much. And I really,
Speaker 1: I really, I think it's really important, man, Like I'm
Speaker 1: glad we spoke about all this because, like you said,
Speaker 1: it's you know, it's it's nothing new, you know, And
Speaker 1: to give you just just the one light thing I
Speaker 1: would say, is like to give a real idea of
Speaker 1: how this this is nothing new. A really great reporter,
Speaker 1: Quent in Somerville. He was he did a dispatch in
Speaker 1: Harkiv in in in Ukraine where Russia is, you know,
Speaker 1: just flattening everything, hitting residential blocks, apartments, schools, everything. And
Speaker 1: in this piece to camera in the start he says, um,
Speaker 1: you know this, He literally says, this is nothing new.
Speaker 1: We've seen this before. It's exactly what they did in Aleppo.
Speaker 1: It's exactly what they did, um you know, in it
Speaker 1: live and other places. So yeah, this is this is
Speaker 1: nothing new. And again not just Russia again, because I'm
Speaker 1: sure people will say that, yes, I mean, just look
Speaker 1: at what the Americans did very recently on the way
Speaker 1: out of Afghanistan, bombed the whole family, killed everybody and
Speaker 1: said that it was an accident and no one is
Speaker 1: to blame, like you know, and it's just yeah, and
Speaker 1: the world keeps turning money. It's sorry to be so bleak,
Speaker 1: but you know, I think people need to be aware, right, Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: it's nothing new, bro, Yeah exactly. Man, you're so true
Speaker 1: when you said at the start, it's just you know,
Speaker 1: new day different. Oh man, Jake, thanks so much for
Speaker 1: jumping on the show. Bro appreciate and uh man, y'all
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