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Speaker 1: episode that was supposed to be part one. The first

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Speaker 1: time that's ever happened to where it's like we just

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Speaker 1: Then they finally finished episode all right, dropping on the mat.

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Speaker 1: So look, so let's so let's move over to Africa.

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Speaker 1: Let me let me up how you all about Ethiopia?

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Speaker 1: Um and again, like this this relation of like just

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Speaker 1: how they did it was like uniting the Ethiopian Empire

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Speaker 1: And basically this is like sort of like the origin

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Speaker 1: And that trial ended up basically doing what everybody else do,

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Speaker 1: helping them fight this war. Now. Meanwhile, while they focused

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Speaker 1: not why you're doing that because if we was able

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Speaker 1: But then you need to come get your military about

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Speaker 1: yes on now. And they like, and I've been watching you.

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Speaker 1: I know what you did with this area. You don't

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Speaker 1: now just t Griyan's. You don't made them our enemy

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Speaker 1: the European Union, which was never a moral labor, it

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Speaker 1: was just an economic of thing. The EU puts billions

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Speaker 1: into something called Fortress Europe, which is basically UM to

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Speaker 1: is talking about our refugee refugee and Europe is also

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Speaker 1: the reason and its partners if you want to look

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Speaker 1: the EU is the reason that these refugees are drowning

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Speaker 1: in the sea. And it's like, hang on, you literally

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Speaker 1: putting billions into that. And then there's also front Text,

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Speaker 1: a company, an EU company that recently, it was found

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Speaker 1: out by a very good German reporter they knew the

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Speaker 1: EU knew about the Greek pushbacks. And the pushbacks is

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Speaker 1: when the Greek ships were basically toppling over refugee dinghies

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Speaker 1: and stuff like that, you know, and the EU knew

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Speaker 1: about the in advance and covered it up. And you

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Speaker 1: know that's what the EU did. And literal babies dying

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Speaker 1: in the channel. Um. And I'm not saying I have

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Speaker 1: an answer. I'm not saying that we need to do this,

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Speaker 1: we need to do that. I just think at a

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Speaker 1: very bare minimum. Just understand that everyone is complicit. You know,

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Speaker 1: everyone is complicit, and I know it's a very doomish,

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Speaker 1: gloomish way to be, and I understand why people don't

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Speaker 1: want to be, but I think it's a more honest

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Speaker 1: way to be personally. If you're talking about, oh, we

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Speaker 1: live in here and it's great, Let refugees of Ukraine,

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Speaker 1: let them in great. I've been to Ukraine i think

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Speaker 1: eight times. Some of the nicest people I've ever met,

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Speaker 1: hard workers, great people, exactly the same as Syrians. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Like it's like, I'm sorry, but like the idea that

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Speaker 1: this one is different to this one, it's like, well,

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Speaker 1: what is the difference? And I think it becomes clear

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Speaker 1: what the difference, you know what I mean? And it's

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Speaker 1: actually yeah, and it's very sad actually because Europe is multicultural,

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Speaker 1: you know, in Europe is strong off the back of multiculturalism.

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Speaker 1: So then why then is it suddenly reversing backwards? You know,

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Speaker 1: it's very sad. I don't know, it's try not to

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Speaker 1: look into it too much because it's just depressing. But again,

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Speaker 1: it shouldn't be oh fuck Ukrainians, absolutely not, but it

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Speaker 1: should be like, yes, Ukrainians and like, let's let's help

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Speaker 1: everyone else. Not to say that, not to say that

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Speaker 1: Europe hasn't helped, you know, I mean Europe has done

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Speaker 1: so much, you know, to be honest, for a lot

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Speaker 1: of like people in the Middle East, Um and a

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Speaker 1: lot of Middle Eastern countries have not done enough for

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Speaker 1: the people in the Middle East, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: But again, there is the issue that, well, a lot

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Speaker 1: to another country that is has a war in it

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Speaker 1: because of the US invasion or you know, so it's

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Speaker 1: a kind of catch twenty two, right, It's like, well,

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Speaker 1: why did they come here? Well, because because you know,

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Speaker 1: there's a war right next to them. There's a war

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Speaker 1: in Syria, there's a war in Iraq. You know. It's like, well,

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Speaker 1: you know, they can't go to Saudi Arabia because you know,

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Speaker 1: if they step out of line, you can literally get

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Speaker 1: executed for nothing. So it's like, yeah, it's all. It

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Speaker 1: all kind of circles back on itself, and it's like, well,

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Speaker 1: there is there is a reason that that you know

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Speaker 1: that this is that Europe is the flashpoint. And I

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Speaker 1: find it very odd that I don't know, so so

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Speaker 1: many people are just um. Again, I don't want to

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Speaker 1: be the contrarium. But it's like there is a reason

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Speaker 1: people don't just suddenly go, yeah, I'll leave my whole

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Speaker 1: child to maybe drowned to death. Like people people in

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Speaker 1: the Middle East love their kids the same way people

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Speaker 1: in Europe do, you know, And it's it's just a tragedy,

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Speaker 1: you know. And one thing I will say as well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: like a lot of this is pushed by not pushed,

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Speaker 1: but some of this weird sentiment I only really here

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Speaker 1: in the media. Like you know, you talk to Ukrainians,

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Speaker 1: of which I'm talking to loads a lot of friends

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Speaker 1: trying to get into Poland and stuff like that, and

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Speaker 1: they're like, yeah, I was hanging out with you know,

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Speaker 1: because obviously it's quite a homogeneous country, you know. And

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Speaker 1: I was talking to a friend of mine the day

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Speaker 1: and she was like, oh, like I stay with this

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Speaker 1: Afghan family, like you know, the asper are like quite

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Speaker 1: a few generations refuge Like wow, I've never met anyone

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Speaker 1: from Afghanistan. Oh what they went through was so similar

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Speaker 1: to you know what I mean, but just in it

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Speaker 1: because obviously Russia invaded and totally and it's like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: like the people themselves and not I've not seen them

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Speaker 1: beyond TV like let us in why they're kind of like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're just doing our thing. A lot of this ship

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Speaker 1: is coming from very very backward thinking people in the media,

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Speaker 1: and like you said earlier, the saddest thing is a

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Speaker 1: lot of them don't even realize what they're saying. At

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Speaker 1: least when someone is nasty, the racism comes from a

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Speaker 1: place of evil at least you know where they are

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Speaker 1: exactly right, Okay, you're the one to not try or whatever. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you're trashed, Like I don't even you know, they don't

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Speaker 1: even talk to me, Like, but you know when it's like, oh,

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Speaker 1: they think that they're just saying something that the kind

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Speaker 1: of the repressed in a racism is just when it

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Speaker 1: comes out, it's like I see, I see where this

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Speaker 1: has been going for all this time. You know. So

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Speaker 1: we're so dub Thank you so much, Jake. We're coming

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Speaker 1: in on an hour and thanks very much. And I really,

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Speaker 1: I really, I think it's really important, man, Like I'm

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Speaker 1: glad we spoke about all this because, like you said,

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Speaker 1: it's you know, it's it's nothing new, you know, And

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Speaker 1: to give you just just the one light thing I

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Speaker 1: how this this is nothing new. A really great reporter,

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Speaker 1: Quent in Somerville. He was he did a dispatch in

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Speaker 1: Harkiv in in in Ukraine where Russia is, you know,

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Speaker 1: just flattening everything, hitting residential blocks, apartments, schools, everything. And

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Speaker 1: in this piece to camera in the start he says, um,

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Speaker 1: you know this, He literally says, this is nothing new.

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Speaker 1: We've seen this before. It's exactly what they did in Aleppo.

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Speaker 1: It's exactly what they did, um you know, in it

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Speaker 1: live and other places. So yeah, this is this is

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Speaker 1: nothing new. And again not just Russia again, because I'm

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Speaker 1: sure people will say that, yes, I mean, just look

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Speaker 1: at what the Americans did very recently on the way

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Speaker 1: out of Afghanistan, bombed the whole family, killed everybody and

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Speaker 1: said that it was an accident and no one is

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Speaker 1: the world keeps turning money. It's sorry to be so bleak,

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Speaker 1: but you know, I think people need to be aware, right, Yeah, man,

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Speaker 1: it's nothing new, bro, Yeah exactly. Man, you're so true

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Speaker 1: when you said at the start, it's just you know,

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