WEBVTT - REISSUE - The Spirited Actor - David M Sheppard & Debi B Jackson (11/14/23) 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:03.360 Hello, and welcome to the Spirited Actor Podcast with me 0:00:03.560 --> 0:00:06.480 Tracy Moore. I was a casting director for film and 0:00:06.519 --> 0:00:10.640 TV and commercials for over thirty years. I transitioned to 0:00:10.680 --> 0:00:14.200 a celebrity acting coach after I cast a film New 0:00:14.320 --> 0:00:19.440 Jersey Drive with executive producer Spike Lee and director Nick Domez. 0:00:20.079 --> 0:00:24.479 I auditioned every rapper from Biggie Smalls to Tupac, and 0:00:24.600 --> 0:00:28.240 I realized that rappers and musical artists they needed help 0:00:28.320 --> 0:00:32.640 transitioning to acting. My clients consist of musical artists from 0:00:32.800 --> 0:00:37.440 Buster Rhymes to Eve, Missy Elliott, Angela Yee from The 0:00:37.479 --> 0:00:41.159 Breakfast Club, and Vanessa Simmons, to name a few. I 0:00:41.280 --> 0:00:45.120 also coach sports stars and host as well. I feel 0:00:45.320 --> 0:00:48.760 I have the best of both worlds. As a casting director, 0:00:48.840 --> 0:00:51.320 I know exactly what they're looking for, and as an 0:00:51.400 --> 0:00:53.840 acting coach, I can coach you to be remembered in 0:00:53.920 --> 0:00:57.120 that room. Now I know, I know actors want to 0:00:57.200 --> 0:01:00.240 get the job. I get that, but being remembered by 0:01:00.400 --> 0:01:04.959 casting director that is powerful. And now it's time for 0:01:05.080 --> 0:01:10.120 meditation of the day. Opportunities to find deeper powers within 0:01:10.200 --> 0:01:17.200 ourselves come when life seems the most challenging Joseph Campbell. 0:01:18.200 --> 0:01:21.760 What I will say to you is that life overall 0:01:22.160 --> 0:01:27.000 is challenging. Life has obstacles, life has hurdles, Life catches 0:01:27.120 --> 0:01:30.240 us off guard. But I'm here to tell you that 0:01:30.319 --> 0:01:32.800 we have all the elements, we have all the tools, 0:01:32.840 --> 0:01:36.039 we have all the resources to get through it. 0:01:36.920 --> 0:01:38.920 Most importantly, we have prayer. 0:01:39.560 --> 0:01:45.039 Whenever you get to a stressful time in your life 0:01:45.120 --> 0:01:48.800 or when you think you can't get through it, know 0:01:49.080 --> 0:01:51.720 that prayer is your refuge. 0:01:52.320 --> 0:01:54.680 Whether you're on your knees, whether. 0:01:54.400 --> 0:01:58.840 You're sitting alone in a hospital room, close your eyes, 0:01:59.360 --> 0:02:02.320 ask for your angels to embrace you and give you 0:02:02.400 --> 0:02:06.960 the strength that you need and that's deep inside of 0:02:07.000 --> 0:02:11.080 you to get through this moment, to get through this time. 0:02:11.400 --> 0:02:14.080 And trust me, there is light at the end of 0:02:14.120 --> 0:02:17.080 the tunnel. Today I will. 0:02:16.840 --> 0:02:19.040 Only see the light at the. 0:02:19.040 --> 0:02:19.880 End of the tunnel. 0:02:21.120 --> 0:02:24.320 Before we get started, I'd like to remind everyone to 0:02:24.480 --> 0:02:27.960 look out for my new show, Inside the Black Box. 0:02:28.240 --> 0:02:31.400 I'll be co hosting with the great Joe Morton. We'll 0:02:31.400 --> 0:02:35.480 be on Crackle Network real soon. I'll keep you posted. 0:02:36.000 --> 0:02:39.880 Welcome to the Spirited Actor Podcast with me Tracy Moore. 0:02:40.080 --> 0:02:44.160 I am so excited for this show. 0:02:44.360 --> 0:02:46.359 Now, I know you guys know me, and I'm excited 0:02:46.400 --> 0:02:49.480 about every show, but I'm super excited about this because 0:02:50.280 --> 0:02:53.280 my guests mister David Shepherd. 0:02:53.720 --> 0:03:01.880 Wait, David M. Shepherd. This David used. 0:03:01.720 --> 0:03:05.200 To always tell me, you guys in classes, that he 0:03:05.639 --> 0:03:06.800 was my favorite student. 0:03:07.120 --> 0:03:10.960 He would tell me that was like the best pay ever. 0:03:11.440 --> 0:03:14.399 He would say, Tracy, you don't have your favorite. To 0:03:14.440 --> 0:03:18.280 this day, David still said to you guys. And it's 0:03:18.360 --> 0:03:22.240 been a lot of years. I had so much fun 0:03:22.400 --> 0:03:27.760 with David M. Shepherd in my class. His spirit, his energy, 0:03:28.560 --> 0:03:33.359 and he's like a great hype person because he used 0:03:33.400 --> 0:03:36.360 to get on my students. I thought I got on him, 0:03:36.600 --> 0:03:39.680 but you know, I'm rainbows and butterflies. 0:03:39.120 --> 0:03:40.920 But he would get on students. 0:03:41.000 --> 0:03:46.320 This man so talented, so well connected, and one of 0:03:46.360 --> 0:03:50.920 the reasons why, you know, there's several reasons why he's 0:03:50.920 --> 0:03:54.000 on the show. So get ready for your treasure chest 0:03:54.160 --> 0:03:56.680 to he's going to drop some diamonds and jewels for 0:03:56.720 --> 0:03:57.160 you guys. 0:03:57.920 --> 0:04:01.920 However, he took the initiative, you. 0:04:01.880 --> 0:04:06.960 Guys, and he had a production company coming to the table, 0:04:07.080 --> 0:04:11.600 so he wasn't jaded in my opinion, as actors are 0:04:11.640 --> 0:04:15.800 sometimes there's stressed financially, there's just overall stress, just stuff. 0:04:16.200 --> 0:04:22.320 He came into the class confident, peaceful, assured because way 0:04:22.400 --> 0:04:25.240 back then he knew what it meant to own his 0:04:25.279 --> 0:04:30.920 own stuff, to be in control of his own path, creativity, productions. 0:04:31.040 --> 0:04:32.120 So, ladies and. 0:04:32.080 --> 0:04:35.200 Gentlemen, I just I want him to talk. Please put 0:04:35.200 --> 0:04:38.320 your hands together for David M. Shepherd. 0:04:39.680 --> 0:04:44.360 Thank you, thank you, thank you. I appreciate that so much. 0:04:44.839 --> 0:04:47.880 And and the check is in the mail. 0:04:50.000 --> 0:04:53.760 All right, you guys, he has a strong background in comedy. 0:04:53.880 --> 0:04:57.720 Okay, I just want to say he is a strong background. 0:04:57.880 --> 0:05:00.719 But we're also blessed you guys that you two to 0:05:00.760 --> 0:05:05.480 put your hands together. And I asked David to give 0:05:05.480 --> 0:05:10.640 you this introduction because just hearing him a few minutes ago. Yes, 0:05:10.839 --> 0:05:15.320 about that, ladies and gentlemen, please put your hands together. Legend. 0:05:15.400 --> 0:05:19.640 We have another legend here, Debbie B. Jackson. 0:05:21.040 --> 0:05:27.359 All Rightbebi, thank you, David. 0:05:27.720 --> 0:05:36.320 Listen, favorite introduction that I feel is worthy by please okay. 0:05:37.600 --> 0:05:40.480 Wieb is her affectionate name. 0:05:40.960 --> 0:05:44.360 Her name is Wi B. Jackson, but affectionately called de 0:05:44.480 --> 0:05:47.440 wie B, and that was given to her by her 0:05:47.600 --> 0:05:54.839 late husband. The legendary radio personality mister Howe Jackson, who 0:05:54.960 --> 0:05:58.440 with him and Percy Sutton created WBLS and w l 0:05:58.480 --> 0:06:00.760 i B. And I'm gonna tell you something about that 0:06:01.839 --> 0:06:07.320 creation of that radio station. Back in nineteen seventy one 0:06:07.400 --> 0:06:11.680 to seventy three, I was driving a yellow cab in 0:06:11.760 --> 0:06:15.240 the evenings and going to Bronx Community College during the day. 0:06:15.920 --> 0:06:19.680 I remember having two gentlemen in the backseat, two white 0:06:19.720 --> 0:06:22.080 guys in the back seat with suits, and they're talking 0:06:22.240 --> 0:06:26.760 about selling a radio station, but they just wanted it 0:06:26.800 --> 0:06:29.240 to be urban, and they couldn't figure out. They were 0:06:29.279 --> 0:06:31.840 wondering why they wanted to own it. They said, I 0:06:31.839 --> 0:06:33.800 don't know why they want to own it. We could 0:06:33.880 --> 0:06:36.240 let them play whatever they want to play. And who 0:06:36.279 --> 0:06:39.840 they were talking about was how Jackson and. 0:06:41.720 --> 0:06:44.880 Percy Sutton. Wow, Percy Sutton. 0:06:44.600 --> 0:06:49.080 Had the means and the know how and the connections, 0:06:49.480 --> 0:06:55.960 and how Jackson was the executive producer of putting things together, 0:06:56.040 --> 0:07:02.280 had the money to put everything together. And Debbie was 0:07:02.279 --> 0:07:08.880 his wife and her first time on the radio. How 0:07:09.120 --> 0:07:12.600 asked her to read a commercial and she said, you 0:07:12.600 --> 0:07:13.320 want me to read this? 0:07:13.440 --> 0:07:15.000 She said, yeah, I want you to read it. 0:07:15.600 --> 0:07:18.320 So then she read her commercial and then from then 0:07:18.440 --> 0:07:21.520 she started doing it everything for the last thirty years. 0:07:21.600 --> 0:07:24.960 I mean she's been retired now, think about eight or nine, 0:07:25.000 --> 0:07:29.400 eight years now. But that's her story and my story 0:07:29.440 --> 0:07:35.480 with you. Well, when I met you, Tracy, you had 0:07:35.520 --> 0:07:39.400 a lot of energy. I said, this lady is full. 0:07:39.240 --> 0:07:43.200 Of energy man, always smiling, always encouraging. 0:07:43.760 --> 0:07:46.200 And it made me feel a lot even more comfortable 0:07:46.240 --> 0:07:50.320 because I was kind of it wasn't that child a 0:07:50.320 --> 0:07:51.800 little bit, not that much. 0:07:52.520 --> 0:07:54.200 But I enjoyed your encouragement. 0:07:54.240 --> 0:07:57.640 I enjoyed the classes, and I especially enjoyed when you 0:07:57.760 --> 0:08:01.800 asked me to do a monologue at Martha's Vineyard with 0:08:01.840 --> 0:08:05.160 this other young lady who is your other top student. 0:08:05.720 --> 0:08:08.040 I think, I can't think of it. And she was 0:08:08.040 --> 0:08:14.880 out of Chicago. Oh the house ye work with her? Yep, 0:08:15.440 --> 0:08:18.360 And you told us to come out to uh Martha's 0:08:18.440 --> 0:08:21.080 Vineyard and and to do a monologue. 0:08:21.080 --> 0:08:22.200 We had a good time out there. 0:08:22.480 --> 0:08:23.320 Yeah, so much fun. 0:08:23.680 --> 0:08:27.800 And that was the Martha Vineyard, my friend's film festival, 0:08:28.360 --> 0:08:35.920 and I became oh my god, oh my god. I 0:08:36.040 --> 0:08:39.840 became friends with Tim Reid and Daphne Reid. Daphne was 0:08:39.880 --> 0:08:43.120 doing a workshop with me. You guys performed in front 0:08:43.160 --> 0:08:45.839 of Daphane and I became. 0:08:45.600 --> 0:08:46.160 Friends with her. 0:08:46.200 --> 0:08:49.400 To this day, we're still friends. I was so amazing. 0:08:50.679 --> 0:08:53.160 I want to say, well, I want to welcome you 0:08:53.440 --> 0:08:57.560 w B. Jackson to the show, and I also just 0:08:57.640 --> 0:08:59.520 in I'm going to go back and forth with the 0:08:59.520 --> 0:09:01.600 two of you. But I wanted to ask you, Debbie, 0:09:01.600 --> 0:09:08.080 because we're living in a different time and you know, 0:09:08.679 --> 0:09:12.319 I'm gonna tell you David talks about my energy, but. 0:09:12.320 --> 0:09:14.080 I'll talk about his work ethic. 0:09:14.440 --> 0:09:18.640 That's what I saw immediately with him, was his work ethic. 0:09:18.880 --> 0:09:22.000 It was different from the other actors that you know, 0:09:22.120 --> 0:09:25.080 turning in homework and things like that. I just wanted 0:09:25.080 --> 0:09:32.679 to ask you, what's your view today on radio? You know, 0:09:32.960 --> 0:09:37.080 serious versus because I when I tell you, Jeff Fox 0:09:37.160 --> 0:09:39.880 and Sheila are friends of mine and talent when they 0:09:39.880 --> 0:09:41.480 were on the air, I used to come on the 0:09:41.520 --> 0:09:43.360 show and I've coached talent before. 0:09:44.160 --> 0:09:45.640 I uh. 0:09:47.400 --> 0:09:48.520 A story about talent. 0:09:49.240 --> 0:09:52.679 I'll tell you later, Okay, A good story, I say it, 0:09:52.720 --> 0:09:53.760 I talk about it later. 0:09:54.320 --> 0:09:59.160 Okay, good, But what's your take on today twenty twenty three? 0:10:00.320 --> 0:10:00.760 Music? 0:10:01.400 --> 0:10:01.880 Things? 0:10:01.920 --> 0:10:08.320 Things have changed considerably when I was doing radio and 0:10:08.559 --> 0:10:12.160 I was doing it for thirty years. It was personality radio, 0:10:12.679 --> 0:10:14.960 and you would turn in because you'd like to. You'd 0:10:14.960 --> 0:10:17.680 like Frankie Crocker, you know, you would tell you to 0:10:17.720 --> 0:10:21.280 put on the candles and run a bath, and you know, 0:10:21.360 --> 0:10:27.360 and then enjoy the music that is all gone green, yes, yes, 0:10:28.320 --> 0:10:30.760 and it's all gone. It's all gone. What they do 0:10:30.840 --> 0:10:34.079 now is they pick music, they put it on. There's 0:10:34.600 --> 0:10:37.600 I mean like when Hall and I did music, we 0:10:37.600 --> 0:10:44.280 we played what we liked, we wanted to do. Back then, 0:10:44.440 --> 0:10:47.920 you could put on any music that you walk it to. Right, 0:10:48.200 --> 0:10:52.920 there's a playlist. Everything's in a computer and it is 0:10:52.920 --> 0:10:55.840 what it is, and a lot of it is voice tracked. 0:10:56.640 --> 0:10:56.880 You know. 0:10:57.040 --> 0:11:00.000 People now, especially since COVID, people are now doing radio 0:11:00.160 --> 0:11:03.880 from home and reading from a piece of paper saying 0:11:03.920 --> 0:11:08.360 that you just heard you know, Evelyn Champagne King and 0:11:08.360 --> 0:11:12.720 and there's there's no story behind it. Music has changed, 0:11:13.120 --> 0:11:15.120 and there used to be a story when you heard 0:11:15.120 --> 0:11:17.600 a song. It was a story that went on with 0:11:17.640 --> 0:11:19.720 that song. Now it's like saying the same thing over 0:11:19.760 --> 0:11:21.800 and over and over and over and over, you know 0:11:22.520 --> 0:11:24.920 that that that line and then people say, oh, yeah, 0:11:24.920 --> 0:11:27.160 I like that song because yeah, they're saying the same 0:11:27.160 --> 0:11:28.240 thing over and over and over. 0:11:29.320 --> 0:11:33.920 Right, I mean, I'm from that generation and I feel 0:11:33.960 --> 0:11:34.840 the same way. 0:11:35.040 --> 0:11:36.760 I mean I think that. 0:11:38.160 --> 0:11:41.440 You know, for you, David, one of the reasons why 0:11:41.520 --> 0:11:46.840 I followed and shared your information because you have stayed 0:11:46.920 --> 0:11:51.440 consistent in you know, honoring the talent and keeping the talent. 0:11:52.360 --> 0:11:55.040 And we can go into the show from this because 0:11:55.120 --> 0:11:59.120 the show is, oh my god, stellar headlines you guys got. 0:11:59.280 --> 0:12:03.600 But how do you feel in terms of the shows 0:12:03.640 --> 0:12:04.840 that you are promoting? 0:12:04.960 --> 0:12:09.000 How you know, are there challenges. 0:12:08.520 --> 0:12:14.760 In the relevance of some of these artists, Like. 0:12:14.760 --> 0:12:19.439 I don't know that world, but I know that for me, you. 0:12:19.400 --> 0:12:23.400 Know, music was different growing up now, like Debbie says, 0:12:23.559 --> 0:12:26.520 I don't feel a message, I don't feel forget about 0:12:26.520 --> 0:12:27.000 a story. 0:12:29.040 --> 0:12:30.960 I don't know how they do music videos now. 0:12:34.800 --> 0:12:37.640 So how does that How has that affected you know 0:12:37.800 --> 0:12:40.720 or has it affected your production company? And you promoting 0:12:40.720 --> 0:12:42.000 all these shows that you work on. 0:12:43.559 --> 0:12:48.520 Well, I try to deal with shows that are from 0:12:48.679 --> 0:12:53.480 my eraror because I have a following of people who 0:12:53.520 --> 0:12:55.800 are in my general age bracket. 0:12:56.320 --> 0:13:01.240 So I have my I have a blue and white 0:13:01.320 --> 0:13:04.760 party once a year for me and old meals. 0:13:04.800 --> 0:13:08.120 I'm a Leo and it's a grown party. It's a 0:13:08.160 --> 0:13:11.319 grown and sexy party. And I was going to stop 0:13:11.360 --> 0:13:15.040 when I reached seventy. I'm seventy one. I had my 0:13:15.679 --> 0:13:23.920 I'm seventy one. Yes, anyway, it's the Vasco Lan. 0:13:25.280 --> 0:13:30.680 Okay, well here, Tracy, I'm seventy three. I'm done. The 0:13:30.760 --> 0:13:33.199 show is over. Thank you for coming to the Spirit 0:13:33.200 --> 0:13:37.839 of Actal podcast with me. You got Oh my god. 0:13:39.040 --> 0:13:42.400 I was going to give my last party blue and 0:13:42.440 --> 0:13:44.840 white party. I like blue is my favorite color, and 0:13:44.840 --> 0:13:47.480 I mixed it with white. I started giving blue and 0:13:47.520 --> 0:13:51.040 white parties when I was sixty and all the way 0:13:51.120 --> 0:13:52.920 up to seventy. I was going to be that was 0:13:52.960 --> 0:13:55.959 going to be my last party. But everybody and when 0:13:55.960 --> 0:13:58.559 I told him that, people said, Dave, listen, you can't. 0:13:58.559 --> 0:14:01.120 This can't be your last one. Man, You're still able 0:14:01.160 --> 0:14:02.920 to do. We still want to come. There's no place 0:14:02.920 --> 0:14:05.960 else for us. These young guys are young. They one 0:14:06.000 --> 0:14:07.400 they want to do is fight when they come to 0:14:07.440 --> 0:14:09.480 the place, and if you step on their sneakers. 0:14:09.520 --> 0:14:11.360 They want to do this. Dave, you got to keep 0:14:11.360 --> 0:14:11.599 doing this. 0:14:11.720 --> 0:14:16.800 So I'd listened to my people, my friends, my relatives, 0:14:16.840 --> 0:14:20.280 and I had another one last year seventy one, and 0:14:20.320 --> 0:14:23.680 I'm going to have another blue and White party seventy two. 0:14:23.880 --> 0:14:26.720 I already have the date, July twenty seventh on a 0:14:26.840 --> 0:14:32.920 Saturday at the al Humber. This is shameless plug, No, I. 0:14:32.080 --> 0:14:34.040 Want to be there. I want to be there for 0:14:34.160 --> 0:14:35.880 this one. Because you said you were giving up. I 0:14:35.960 --> 0:14:37.400 want to be there for this month at. 0:14:37.280 --> 0:14:40.840 The al Humber Ballroom in Halem. You will definitely know 0:14:40.880 --> 0:14:41.280 about it. 0:14:42.040 --> 0:14:43.160 I love that place. 0:14:43.200 --> 0:14:44.000 Okay. 0:14:44.040 --> 0:14:46.320 This will be my third party there, and it's a 0:14:46.320 --> 0:14:47.680 black owned business. 0:14:48.240 --> 0:14:51.040 We have a very good relationship. Okay. 0:14:51.320 --> 0:14:55.920 But getting back to giving shows and events, Debbie and 0:14:55.960 --> 0:15:01.920 I met through Vaughn Harper. I was giving, I was giving. Yeah, 0:15:01.960 --> 0:15:07.200 Von Harper's been my buddy for twenty years. Von Hopper 0:15:07.280 --> 0:15:10.480 came to a show at the Dugout in the Bronx 0:15:10.560 --> 0:15:14.280 where I had Mark Adams and Tom Brown funking to 0:15:14.640 --> 0:15:20.480 funking to Jamaica, and I had I had what's the 0:15:20.560 --> 0:15:24.760 guy's name, I can't think of his name as the 0:15:24.840 --> 0:15:27.800 drummer anyway, Vaughn came in and he said, Dave, I 0:15:27.960 --> 0:15:29.200 like the show you gave here. 0:15:29.480 --> 0:15:32.600 Can you bring this show to Holland, I said, of course. 0:15:32.960 --> 0:15:36.120 He said, yes, there's a new place called Mist which 0:15:36.160 --> 0:15:37.960 is on one hundred and sixteenth Street. 0:15:38.240 --> 0:15:40.600 We were the first there and we brought and I 0:15:40.640 --> 0:15:44.800 brought that same show to him, minus one artist. I'm 0:15:44.800 --> 0:15:47.480 not going to say his name, but we gave that show. 0:15:48.160 --> 0:15:51.440 And Vaughn had a stroke years prior to that, so 0:15:51.480 --> 0:15:54.960 he wasn't into hosting shows anymore. So I hosted the show. 0:15:55.000 --> 0:15:57.880 That's what I do. So I hosted the show and 0:15:58.000 --> 0:16:01.360 Debbie and Vaughn's wife was sitting in the front row. 0:16:01.640 --> 0:16:06.000 Wait a minute, Wait a minute. Fired to the show. 0:16:08.000 --> 0:16:10.400 It was Valentine's Day. Was on a Valentine's Day, So 0:16:10.840 --> 0:16:14.360 I told gone, because hal had passed in May and 0:16:14.440 --> 0:16:17.160 that was February. Is valentine'sd A is my first Valentine'sday? 0:16:17.160 --> 0:16:19.960 And I said, Bonne, I don't have a Valentine, So 0:16:20.000 --> 0:16:22.640 can I be a Valentine with your wife? And he 0:16:22.680 --> 0:16:25.920 said so his wife and I came, go. 0:16:25.880 --> 0:16:28.680 Ahead, Dave, Oh Tracy. 0:16:29.160 --> 0:16:33.000 As I was hosting the show, Debbie had this gigantic 0:16:33.080 --> 0:16:37.320 smile on her face and I'm saying to myself, I said, Debbie, Jack, 0:16:37.400 --> 0:16:39.680 I had met a price I said, Debbie Jackson is cute. 0:16:39.720 --> 0:16:43.280 Are you there, Tracy, Yeah, I'm here. 0:16:42.480 --> 0:16:44.520 I see you this story. 0:16:45.040 --> 0:16:48.160 So I said Debbie Jackson is cute on the mic, 0:16:49.240 --> 0:16:52.240 so Vaughn's wife said, Debbie thinks you're cute too, but 0:16:52.280 --> 0:16:56.440 I didn't hear that. So when the show ended, I'm 0:16:56.440 --> 0:16:59.200 taking pictures of all the artists and people and everything. 0:16:59.240 --> 0:17:02.240 So Debbie will up to me with this gigantic smile 0:17:02.760 --> 0:17:05.160 and says, why don't you get into the picture? 0:17:05.840 --> 0:17:08.399 And I looked at it. I was possessed by the smile. 0:17:11.560 --> 0:17:14.560 So I walked over there like a little puppy dog 0:17:14.720 --> 0:17:17.400 and turned around so she could take my picture. 0:17:17.720 --> 0:17:19.600 But here's the thing of Tracy. 0:17:20.280 --> 0:17:23.359 When everything was all over and everybody was congregating in 0:17:23.440 --> 0:17:27.640 the lobby, there's a small space between the lobby and 0:17:27.680 --> 0:17:31.119 the staging area. I walked into that space. Debbie was 0:17:31.200 --> 0:17:32.320 right there and I tripped. 0:17:32.480 --> 0:17:33.120 He tripped. 0:17:33.119 --> 0:17:38.959 So are you falling for me? Ah? 0:17:39.359 --> 0:17:44.600 So Tracy, I know how to take a hint. So 0:17:45.600 --> 0:17:50.520 I put my my really deep Vonn Harper, very white, 0:17:51.240 --> 0:17:55.280 you know, voice on her and said baby I am. 0:17:55.440 --> 0:17:58.240 And then we had a short conversation of finding out 0:17:58.640 --> 0:18:01.000 that she was born in Harlem hospital. So was I, 0:18:01.880 --> 0:18:06.119 and we lived in Harlem. We both families moved migrated 0:18:06.160 --> 0:18:09.960 to the Bronx. I'm in entertainment. She was on the radio, 0:18:10.000 --> 0:18:12.960 but I didn't know at what capacity. So she gave 0:18:13.000 --> 0:18:16.320 me her card. So later on in the evening, a 0:18:16.400 --> 0:18:19.399 guy came up to me and said, Dave, Debbie Jackson 0:18:19.480 --> 0:18:20.280 is asking about you. 0:18:21.160 --> 0:18:22.080 So I said, okay. 0:18:22.320 --> 0:18:25.120 He said, no, Dave, you don't understand Debbie don't ask 0:18:25.160 --> 0:18:28.240 about anybody. I said, okay. He said, do you know 0:18:28.280 --> 0:18:30.520 who she is? I didn't know who she was. He said, 0:18:30.560 --> 0:18:35.320 that's Debbie b from WBLS. That's how Jackson's widow. So Tracy, 0:18:35.440 --> 0:18:38.240 I was intimidating. I didn't call her for three weeks. 0:18:38.600 --> 0:18:41.040 Oh my god, Hey, von. 0:18:43.600 --> 0:18:46.399 Vonn kept saying, damn, Dave, when you're gonna call Debbie, 0:18:46.440 --> 0:18:46.879 when you. 0:18:46.720 --> 0:18:47.119 Gonna call it? 0:18:47.200 --> 0:18:47.360 Deaf? 0:18:47.440 --> 0:18:50.840 I was intimidating Tracy that this was the wife of 0:18:50.880 --> 0:18:53.720 the legend, and she was still on the radio. She 0:18:53.800 --> 0:18:57.520 was a person radio personality, you know. So I'm a 0:18:57.560 --> 0:18:59.640 retired correction officer trying to get a nut. 0:19:00.280 --> 0:19:02.960 Right, Well, let me tell you about I don't even 0:19:03.040 --> 0:19:05.440 know Debbie, but what I can tell you is that 0:19:05.480 --> 0:19:08.800 she still has hearts of flutter turning butter so in 0:19:08.920 --> 0:19:12.439 that smile. So Debbie is still a person. All that 0:19:12.520 --> 0:19:17.119 other stuff is that. That's I honor that. But I'm saying, 0:19:17.200 --> 0:19:20.600 in this moment and seeing this story, Debbie was Debbie. 0:19:20.920 --> 0:19:22.640 Oh my god, you're right. 0:19:22.840 --> 0:19:23.359 You're right. 0:19:23.640 --> 0:19:27.760 If if I did not have that brief conversation with 0:19:27.800 --> 0:19:30.640 her in the whole way, I would not have called her. 0:19:30.640 --> 0:19:33.840 Because sometimes when you meet people that are in that 0:19:34.000 --> 0:19:38.080 light and quote, they attract so many different people. Sometimes 0:19:38.080 --> 0:19:40.920 they put up a little God, you know, I don't, 0:19:40.960 --> 0:19:42.480 I don't, I don't know. I don't want to meet 0:19:42.520 --> 0:19:43.160 you know what I'm saying. 0:19:43.200 --> 0:19:45.520 Not all of them. Some of them do. But she 0:19:45.720 --> 0:19:48.119 did not, And that's. 0:19:47.680 --> 0:19:50.200 I'm about to write this love story because. 0:19:49.880 --> 0:19:54.040 She did not, and she gave signals you just were 0:19:54.080 --> 0:19:54.879 not paying attention. 0:19:55.440 --> 0:19:57.280 Thank God, when did you wake up? 0:19:57.359 --> 0:19:57.439 What? 0:19:57.880 --> 0:20:00.000 So three weeks later did what happened? 0:20:01.359 --> 0:20:04.480 I'm gonna tell you what happened. Three weeks later, I'm 0:20:04.480 --> 0:20:07.480 gonna tell you what happened, Tracy. I spoke to a 0:20:07.760 --> 0:20:11.040 childhood friend about what I went through about Debbie, and 0:20:11.119 --> 0:20:11.840 Vaughan came back. 0:20:12.040 --> 0:20:12.840 So he told me. 0:20:12.920 --> 0:20:17.679 He said, Dave von Harper knows Debbie and a husband 0:20:17.680 --> 0:20:18.440 for years. 0:20:18.600 --> 0:20:21.359 If he's telling you to call her, there's a. 0:20:21.280 --> 0:20:25.240 Reason why he feels that you two might be right 0:20:25.320 --> 0:20:25.840 for each other. 0:20:26.040 --> 0:20:28.480 And it's been ten years now. It's been ten years now. 0:20:29.520 --> 0:20:34.440 Oh, chraiz God, thanks three weeks three week two. I 0:20:34.480 --> 0:20:36.520 would be like forget it, but thank you for hanging 0:20:36.560 --> 0:20:40.600 it is Debbie, because he's a great guy. 0:20:40.920 --> 0:20:44.680 He really is. Seriously, he has always been a great guy. 0:20:45.119 --> 0:20:49.159 I wanted to ask you, Debbie, because the climate now. 0:20:50.160 --> 0:20:50.480 Okay. 0:20:50.520 --> 0:20:54.640 I was having a conversation yesterday with an actor, a man, 0:20:55.160 --> 0:21:01.720 about how my challenge in the acting today is that 0:21:01.880 --> 0:21:08.080 women are so strong, so bosses that they don't have 0:21:08.720 --> 0:21:14.840 I'm teaching vulnerability in my class. I'm teaching flirtation in 0:21:14.880 --> 0:21:18.600 my class. And he said to me, he said, oh 0:21:18.600 --> 0:21:21.000 my god, that is the big thing in social media 0:21:21.119 --> 0:21:25.040 now is that women don't know how to flirt. They 0:21:25.160 --> 0:21:28.520 think they're flirting men. He told this is a situation. 0:21:28.520 --> 0:21:31.359 He told me, there's a meme or something on the 0:21:31.520 --> 0:21:35.399 going around. This guy is in a gym. The woman 0:21:35.520 --> 0:21:38.640 sees him, he's really attractive. He goes to the barbelles 0:21:38.720 --> 0:21:41.360 she goes to the barbella. Everywhere he goes, she follows him, 0:21:41.600 --> 0:21:44.040 and then at the end she goes into the locker 0:21:44.119 --> 0:21:46.080 room and calls her girlfriend and says, oh my god, 0:21:46.119 --> 0:21:47.720 I saw this guy that I like, and I did 0:21:47.760 --> 0:21:50.040 everything I could to flirt with him and get him 0:21:50.040 --> 0:21:50.840 to pay attention to me. 0:21:50.960 --> 0:21:51.359 He didn't. 0:21:51.400 --> 0:21:53.800 I'm done with men. I'm done with men, and that's 0:21:53.840 --> 0:21:56.399 the whole story. And I'm like and so he was 0:21:56.440 --> 0:22:00.200 saying to me. But in my experience, women don't don't 0:22:00.280 --> 0:22:05.399 know that sensuous, that femininity side, and I'm. 0:22:05.200 --> 0:22:06.680 Finding that in acting. 0:22:06.920 --> 0:22:10.879 So my question to you is, in this climate, you know, 0:22:11.160 --> 0:22:15.400 and women the aggression behind some of the music, especially 0:22:15.440 --> 0:22:18.320 in rapping, you know, and I'm missing my R and B. 0:22:19.080 --> 0:22:21.160 You know, do you think that there's a. 0:22:21.200 --> 0:22:25.280 Way for us to come back to that or you know, 0:22:25.480 --> 0:22:28.560 can we incorporate some of that, because I in my 0:22:28.640 --> 0:22:31.800 experience as an acting teacher coach, I see I feel 0:22:31.800 --> 0:22:35.520 like I'm chiseling women and trying to get these armors 0:22:35.560 --> 0:22:36.720 and things off of them. 0:22:37.680 --> 0:22:40.120 I really don't know, you know what, I've always been 0:22:40.240 --> 0:22:45.199 me and things have changed considerably because I mean, you 0:22:45.240 --> 0:22:49.440 look at the way that that young girls dress. They're 0:22:49.520 --> 0:22:54.080 showing everything, so what is there to show later? You know, 0:22:55.160 --> 0:22:59.080 I really I don't have an answer for it because 0:22:59.160 --> 0:23:03.080 I know, like with myself, I think that fast day, 0:23:03.359 --> 0:23:09.479 I think I still have my sensuality, sensuality, sensuality about 0:23:10.119 --> 0:23:14.080 which I've never lost. Uh. And I mean like that 0:23:14.160 --> 0:23:16.359 time when when he came walking in, I said, are 0:23:16.359 --> 0:23:18.560 you falling for me? I don't know where that came from, 0:23:18.800 --> 0:23:20.520