1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:08,720 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Oh my stars, does it 2 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:15,640 Speaker 1: never end with the two Tate brothers, the notorious women haters. 3 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 1: In the last days, Andrew Tate hits TikTok and Zuckerbird's 4 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 1: Meta for one hundred million dollars, claiming damage when he 5 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:33,200 Speaker 1: was kicked off the platforms back in twenty twenty two. 6 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 1: Quote it's good versus evil, says the accused rapist. I'm 7 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I want to thank 8 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:46,880 Speaker 1: you for being with us. Let me refresh everyone's recollection, 9 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 1: as we say in court as to who the Tate 10 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 1: brothers are. They became social media famous, TikTok, instant, you 11 00:00:56,560 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 1: name it for all their hate talk about women, right 12 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:07,400 Speaker 1: and they are wanted on claims of sex trafficking and rape, 13 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 1: facing those rape and sex trafficking charges in Romania and 14 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:14,679 Speaker 1: the UK, with a criminal investigation going on here in 15 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 1: the US as these called king of toxic masculinity and 16 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:29,120 Speaker 1: you Tate has just come to an epiphany deciding now's 17 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 1: the time to go after Meta and TikTok for kicking 18 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 1: the misogynist off the platforms a while back. Right now, 19 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 1: hold up in Dubai with his equally infamous brother Tristan. 20 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 1: He wants the social media giants to hand over fifty 21 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 1: million dollars each for damaging his reputation. Wait what, He's 22 00:01:56,680 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 1: already got a horrible reputation. Remember those rape and sex 23 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 1: trafficking charges. I mean, how how can your reputation get worse? 24 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:11,960 Speaker 1: According to the claims, Meta and TikTok caused quote emotional distress, 25 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 1: business interference and misappropriation. Oh my stars, I'm getting emotional 26 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 1: distress remembering when all these two have been accused of 27 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 1: The online influencer Andrew Tate with literally millions of followers 28 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 1: Go Figure was detained and handed an arrest warrant issued 29 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 1: by the British government. Tate thirty seven and creepy brother 30 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 1: Tristan Tate detained. They were detained on claims of sex aggression, 31 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:46,800 Speaker 1: that's what they call it in the UK, in a 32 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 1: case dating all the way back to two thousand and fifteen. 33 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 1: Now a Romanian court where the two were hiding out 34 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 1: has to make a quote pivotal decision whether they're going 35 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 1: to execute the warrants issued by the UK Westminster Magistrates Court. 36 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:09,920 Speaker 1: They darn well better if they want to keep relations 37 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 1: up with the UK. Four women reported Tate. Four women, 38 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 1: not one, not two, not three, but four report Tate 39 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 1: to authorities for sex violence and physical abuse. For some reason, 40 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:30,359 Speaker 1: the crown decided not to prosecute him. These victims had 41 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 1: to turn to crowd funding to cover their legal costs. 42 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 1: The four female victims handed over their evidence about the 43 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 1: horrific acts of violence. They say they endured and just waited, 44 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 1: but time passes and they were told the UK authorities 45 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 1: would not prosecute them. Now, don't forget. Tate is charged 46 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 1: in a separate case with rape, human trafficking and forming 47 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 1: a criminal gang to sexually expel Floyd women. Why does 48 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 1: this guy have millions of men followers? Freaks? How did 49 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 1: the whole thing begin? Possibly the most misogynistic person I 50 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:22,599 Speaker 1: have ever encountered discussing tactics on how to lure sex 51 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 1: trafficking victims. These texts, messages and more have now been 52 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:37,039 Speaker 1: leaked and it's all spewing from the empire built by 53 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:46,280 Speaker 1: Andrew Tate, a sex trafficker according to Ellie Law Enforcement. 54 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 1: First of all, take a listen to this. 55 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 2: Most people know Andrew Tate for his online content, which 56 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 2: had been called misogynistic but what most people don't know 57 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 2: is that he also runs a secret of all male society, 58 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 2: The Warm, which he says is a kind of of 59 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:03,039 Speaker 2: self help society that helps you become better men. It 60 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 2: costs six pounds a year to join. What we uncovered 61 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 2: is that actually within the Warm, they're actually teaching men 62 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 2: methods for grooming women into online sex work. And we've 63 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:15,479 Speaker 2: identified from the leaked messages you referred to at least 64 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:18,159 Speaker 2: forty five potential victims of this crewing method. 65 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 3: Breaking news, disgraced influencer Andrew Tait has been indicted and 66 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 3: will face charges of rape, human trafficking, and forming a 67 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 3: criminal gang to sexually exploit women. According to officials, three 68 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 3: others will also be charged in connection to human trafficking, including. 69 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 1: Andrew's brother, Tristan. 70 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:37,160 Speaker 3: A spokesperson for the Tate brothers confirm their indictment to 71 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:40,480 Speaker 3: NBC News. Both brothers deny all allegations. 72 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:41,359 Speaker 1: The two were. 73 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:44,479 Speaker 3: Remanded into custody back in December before being released under 74 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:45,719 Speaker 3: house arrest in March. 75 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 1: I can't stop someone from being misogynistic, that's within them. 76 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 1: But I tell you this much, we can stop six trafficking. Now, 77 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:02,720 Speaker 1: what's so amazing is He's not trafficking women in secret. 78 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 1: They're not in the back of massage parlors and nail 79 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 1: salons with their papers stolen from them unless they have 80 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 1: sex with strangers and then they're making the money. This 81 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 1: is not some thirteen or fourteen year old girl that 82 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:22,479 Speaker 1: has been stolen and she's being hidden in some secret 83 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:26,920 Speaker 1: apartment somewhere in La far far away from home, being 84 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:30,839 Speaker 1: beaten in drug This is right in our face. This 85 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 1: is happening right online. I really don't even know where 86 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:38,040 Speaker 1: to start taking listener friends. 87 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 4: At BBC Prosecutors have filed formal charges against the controversial 88 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 4: influencer Andrew Tate, his brother Tristan, and two associates. The 89 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:50,279 Speaker 4: charges include rape, human trafficking and forming an organized crime group, 90 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 4: as well as illegally accessing a computer system and violence 91 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 4: against one of the alleged victims. 92 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:56,919 Speaker 1: The indictment court. 93 00:06:56,839 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 4: Says that at the beginning of twenty twenty one, the 94 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:02,039 Speaker 4: for defendants formed and organized a criminal group to commit 95 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:04,599 Speaker 4: to human trafficking in the United States under Britain. 96 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:07,799 Speaker 5: We know there are seven alleged victims who are apparently 97 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 5: allegedly recruited by false promises of love and marriage by 98 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 5: the two Tape brothers. 99 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 1: Love and marriage, my rear end, that is not what 100 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 1: this is. This is not about love and marriage. You 101 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 1: were hearing from our friends at BBC as well as NBC. 102 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 1: This is not about love and marriage at all. Guys. 103 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 1: Before I go to senior investigative reporter for dailymail dot Com, 104 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 1: Caitlin Becker, joining us, I want you to hear our 105 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 1: cut fifteen from The Dangerous Rise of Andrew ta BBC. Listen. 106 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 6: In the eleaked messages that we got access to, were 107 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 6: able to see that up to forty five women were 108 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 6: recruited into working on webcam potentially groomed using this method 109 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 6: without their knowledge. We saw specific examples of men grooming 110 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 6: specific women, and in the documentary we spoke to two 111 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 6: of those women, one in Buenos Ayre's Argentina and one 112 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 6: on the West coast of the US, who both alleged 113 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 6: that they personally were groomed by senior members of Andrew 114 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 6: Tate's warrem. 115 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 1: That's not all. Take a lissnar are cut in Lucia 116 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 1: Williamson BBC. 117 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 5: The prosecution also says that women were forced by the 118 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 5: defendants to make pornographic content online and alleged that some 119 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 5: women did not control the money they made and were 120 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 5: fined for crying on camera or for. 121 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 1: Not working hard enough. 122 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 5: As spokeswoman for the Tate Brothers said that they vehemently 123 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 5: denied the serious allegations against them. 124 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 1: Joining me in astar panel to make sense of what 125 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 1: we know right now. Straight out to senior investigative reporter 126 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:44,840 Speaker 1: for the Dailymail dot Com, Caitlin Becker. Caitlin, thank you 127 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:50,839 Speaker 1: for being with us forty five known alleged victims. There 128 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:55,200 Speaker 1: are actually victims in multiple countries. That's not unusual. Do 129 00:08:55,240 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 1: you remember the initial sorts from Nalie Holloway or US 130 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:05,319 Speaker 1: Not only US, but many other journalists and law enforcement 131 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 1: were looking at the islands nearest to Aruba, including the 132 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 1: Netherland Antilles, thinking she had been removed from the island 133 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 1: for sex trafficking. That is a part of sex trafficking. 134 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 1: You remove the victim from their home, from their money, 135 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:24,440 Speaker 1: from their cell phone, from their driver's license, their ID, 136 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 1: and they're stuck with you and nowhere to go, and 137 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 1: they're being beaten and drugged and they're taken away from 138 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 1: their home. The fact that this conspiracy to sex traffic 139 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 1: is in many countries. It's hard for some people to believe, 140 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:47,679 Speaker 1: but this is the way sex trafficking works. Who is 141 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 1: Andrew Tate, Caitlin Well, Nancy. 142 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 7: It's the way sex trafficking work. 143 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 8: But it's also the way the Internet works. And Andrew 144 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:57,959 Speaker 8: Tate's claim to fame is on the Internet. I mean 145 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 8: he had a short lived stint on British Big Brother, 146 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:07,080 Speaker 8: but really he became known in online circles for being 147 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:10,959 Speaker 8: kind of the king of misogyny and teaching men how 148 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:18,080 Speaker 8: to be men, which involved subjugating and harassing women. He 149 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 8: had very popular online courses. He had one that called 150 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 8: something Hustlers, and that was more of his public one, 151 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 8: and then this war Room that you've been hearing about 152 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:30,680 Speaker 8: was his private one. But he also had very popular 153 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 8: social media account where he propagated this type of bullying 154 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 8: and misogyny and as you heard, essentially allegedly grooming, and 155 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:46,200 Speaker 8: he garnered thousands and thousands and thousands of followers. And 156 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:49,559 Speaker 8: for war Room particularly, you had to pay the equivalent 157 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 8: of what is about eight thousand dollars to join. He's 158 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 8: then profiting off of this and prowling like minded men 159 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 8: to listen to the types of sort of vile information 160 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 8: that he's viewing. So the conspiracy goes far and wide. 161 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 8: You not only have Andrew and Twisting Kate, the brothers 162 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 8: who were at the head of this that's sort of 163 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:13,960 Speaker 8: ahead of the stink, but you also have all of 164 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 8: those war room members. You can imagine how far this 165 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 8: can go. I mean, we have alleged victims. There are 166 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 8: seven in the indictment, and they are from all over 167 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 8: the world, several in Europe, at least one in the 168 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:30,840 Speaker 8: United States. All of their identities are being protected. We 169 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 8: are also hearing potentially forty five others from these leaked 170 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:39,080 Speaker 8: telegram messages that the BBC obtained. But Nancy, those messages 171 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:42,440 Speaker 8: are only for one year, so you have to imagine 172 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:45,560 Speaker 8: in one year, if there's forty five potential victims, I 173 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 8: can't even fathom how many of that could be. 174 00:11:53,360 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 1: Crime stores with Nancy Grace Days, renowned misogynist woman hater, 175 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 1: Andrew Tate slams TikTok and Meta Zuckerberg's Meta for one 176 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 1: hundred million dollars for emotional distress and damaging the Tate's reputation. 177 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:26,680 Speaker 1: What reputation, According to prosecutors, rape and sex trafficking charges 178 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 1: have been lodged and not one but two countries and 179 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 1: an investigation going on in the US. Tate has nearly 180 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:39,959 Speaker 1: nine million followers on the social media platform x also 181 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 1: known as Twitter. He repeatedly claims prosecutors have no evidence 182 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 1: against him and that there is a conspiracy to quote 183 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:52,200 Speaker 1: silence him. Okay, when you start talking about conspiracies, you'll 184 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:56,679 Speaker 1: lose me. Remember everybody said the LAPD had a conspiracy 185 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:59,959 Speaker 1: against OJ simpsom to frame him for double murder. BF 186 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 1: Like you think one of those cops would take a 187 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:06,079 Speaker 1: million dollars for a tell all book about the so 188 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 1: called conspiracy to frame OJ Simpson. Yeah, it's my understanding 189 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:14,959 Speaker 1: and my experience. It's too difficult for people to keep 190 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 1: the pyhole shut in a conspiracy. Even social media is 191 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 1: shunning him. He's been banned from multiple social media platforms 192 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 1: for misogynistic woman hating views and hate speech. What more 193 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 1: do we know about Andrew Tate and his freaky brother 194 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:37,839 Speaker 1: I know this. They're rolling in money. Romanian authorities sees 195 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:44,239 Speaker 1: fifteen luxury cars, fourteen designer watches, and cash in several currencies. 196 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:51,440 Speaker 1: That's weird, worth around four million dollars. These two women 197 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 1: haters and alleged sex traffickers are making a mint online. Look, 198 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 1: this isn't just a single instance. Over three hundred million 199 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 1: dollars US dollars was seized. That is the tip of 200 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 1: the iceberg with how many people this guy is controlling 201 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 1: and how many women are being subjected to sex trafficking, 202 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 1: forced pornography, being raped, being beaten. In his chats screenshots 203 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:36,280 Speaker 1: purported messages from the quote war Room, Tate describes women 204 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 1: as quote targets and assets, and explains how to isolate 205 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 1: and manipulate women. In one message, this woman hater describes 206 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 1: how he isolated one woman until she quote lost her 207 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 1: support networks at home, and he kept her in his 208 00:14:56,200 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 1: compound quote and this takes tastes like dirt sandwich to me. 209 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 1: The real goal is for her to agree to never 210 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 1: go anywhere without me, not even her hometown. I need 211 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 1: her working. This is from his screenshots. He appears to 212 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 1: seek help from his associates to force one woman to 213 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 1: post sexually explicit content on only fans. He tells his 214 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 1: followers he'll be making the play tonight. Since she moved 215 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 1: to his compound, she's been fed, but nothing else. These 216 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 1: are his words she's broke. She can't go home, she 217 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 1: can't leave the house. Man, I sound almost evil, guys, 218 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 1: this is such a huge operation. Take a listen to 219 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:47,119 Speaker 1: our cut too, Lucy Williamson. 220 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 5: The charge of human trafficking is an umbrella charge, and 221 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 5: within that there are several counts against each of the 222 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 5: four defendants. We're also getting some information from the organized 223 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 5: crime Unit about the assets that have been seized properties, cars, 224 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 5: luxury watches, but also more than three hundred million US 225 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 5: dollars in cryptocurrency. And we're told that there are separate 226 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 5: charges that are still under investigation that may be the 227 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 5: subjects of a separate indictment in the future. 228 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 1: Think about it. How many times have I told a 229 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 1: jury don't turn away. Think about what's happening around you. 230 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 1: Think about these facts young women being forced into sex. 231 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 1: Rate Think about it. Do you have a daughter, a mother, 232 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 1: a sister. Think about her being forced into sex, isolated 233 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 1: from her family. To the tin of this guy making 234 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 1: at least three hundred million dollars. Nancy, May I hear 235 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 1: someone jumping at Who is it? Nancy? 236 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 7: This is Don Shiller. 237 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 1: Hi, guys, this is Don Schiller and joining us training 238 00:16:57,680 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 1: director for the La County Project with to Abolish Slavery 239 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:06,520 Speaker 1: and Trafficking. She's the best selling author of The Road 240 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 1: through Wonderland, Surviving John Holmes down, please jump in. 241 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:13,480 Speaker 7: Go ahead, thank you, thank you. I also call myself 242 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 7: a lived experience expert in and that's what we do 243 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 7: when we go out and teach and train around human trafficking. 244 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:22,120 Speaker 7: So when I hear the word grooming a lot, what 245 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 7: really applies to is the recruitment. Grooming is recruitment under 246 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:31,160 Speaker 7: the umbrella of what is human trafficking, And I'm luring somebody 247 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:34,680 Speaker 7: in on their vulnerabilities based off of meeds for love 248 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:37,639 Speaker 7: and attention whatever that is, because they didn't have it 249 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 7: at home. It is really a classic form of recruitment 250 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 7: into where the victim is then now kept in by force. 251 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 7: Fraud and coercion and coersion is all types of things. 252 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 7: The fraud is this promise of love that never turns 253 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:56,919 Speaker 7: into Love's always like having to force you into doing something. 254 00:17:57,040 --> 00:18:02,400 Speaker 1: Guys, I'm looking online at Andrew. It's leaked text. Wait 255 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 1: a minute, this is about maximum difficulty you experience in 256 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 1: the business. If we all agree on that, I'll give 257 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 1: you a play by play of what I try. I 258 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:17,760 Speaker 1: do this for every girl I get to work. If 259 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:21,640 Speaker 1: you guys see the value, you guys can use your 260 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:26,120 Speaker 1: bottom bit to do whatever g is doing. You are 261 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 1: never going back to your hometown, even to visit without me. 262 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 1: You understand that is part of his technique. These are 263 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:39,640 Speaker 1: his words, not mine. It goes on and on and on. 264 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:43,680 Speaker 1: One definitive excuse of raping one woman twice using intimidation, 265 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 1: constant surveillance and claims in the victims that we're in debt. 266 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut eight from BBC. 267 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 5: Prosecutors outline the testimony and the evidence that against Andrew Taate. 268 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:59,119 Speaker 5: It includes transcriptions of text and audio messages which appear 269 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:02,880 Speaker 5: to show how the alleged trafficking operation was managed and 270 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 5: the apparent coersion, control and abuse of women by mister 271 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 5: Tait and his co defendants. In one transcribed exchange, Andrew 272 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:14,359 Speaker 5: Tate appears to coerce an alleged victim into group sex 273 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 5: using abusive language. His brother Tristan is also quoted in 274 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:23,919 Speaker 5: prosecution transcripts allegedly talking about slaving women for ten to 275 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:25,480 Speaker 5: twelve hours a day. 276 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:32,000 Speaker 1: Slaving wheremen from ten to twelve hours a day okay 277 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:38,960 Speaker 1: to doctor Joni Johnston, forensic psychologist and private investigator, author 278 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:41,639 Speaker 1: of serial Killers. One hundred and one question true crime 279 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 1: fans ask doctor Johnny, thank you for being with us. 280 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:46,400 Speaker 1: Explain what's happening here? 281 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:49,120 Speaker 9: Well, you know, I think the scale or the potential 282 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 9: scale of what is going on is mind boggling. But 283 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:55,440 Speaker 9: the ausual techniques that we're hearing about, I mean, how 284 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:57,960 Speaker 9: many times do we heard these Nancy, you know, just 285 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:01,879 Speaker 9: isolating people from the loved lines and people they care about, 286 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 9: the abuse, the coercion. I mean, it's we've heard that 287 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:10,119 Speaker 9: in a million different ways. It's the way to isolate 288 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 9: and control your victims, and it's, you know, it's something 289 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 9: we've heard over and over again. 290 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:18,439 Speaker 1: Guys, you think this hasn't happened before. It's happened so 291 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 1: many times before sex culls, and it's always women and 292 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:28,200 Speaker 1: children who are subjugated, who are raped, who are sodomized, 293 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:31,480 Speaker 1: who are forced into pimping out for other guys. Take 294 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:35,679 Speaker 1: a listen to our cut nineteen. We're talking about nexium. Listen. 295 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 10: Alison Mack is due in court facing sex trafficking charges 296 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:42,440 Speaker 10: after being accused of involvement in helping to recruit women 297 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 10: as alleged sex slaves for a secret sorority within an 298 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:49,400 Speaker 10: organization called Nexium, based out of Albany, New York. Mac 299 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:50,960 Speaker 10: gave a testimonial for the group. 300 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:53,960 Speaker 1: When I first came, I had on the surface something 301 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 1: that seems to be like the perfect life for a 302 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 1: pretty good life. 303 00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:59,959 Speaker 10: Keith Rinieri, the leader of Nexium, is facing charges including 304 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:04,639 Speaker 10: sex trafficking and forced labor conspiracy related to that secret sorority. 305 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum joining me, Founder and director of the Cold 306 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:12,800 Speaker 1: Case Research Institute. You can find her at Coldcasecrimes dot org. Cheryl, 307 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. Nexium is a US 308 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 1: based sex cult where people were actually allowed being branded 309 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:30,120 Speaker 1: and beaten right here under our nose, including celebrities. The 310 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:34,920 Speaker 1: only thing different here with Andrew Tate is he's rubbing 311 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:38,359 Speaker 1: our face in it. It's right here on the internet. 312 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:41,840 Speaker 1: He's going out to the most expensive restaurant he can 313 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:46,399 Speaker 1: and videoing his celebration after getting to walk free on 314 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 1: this nacy. 315 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 11: I think some terminology here is going to be important. 316 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 1: Terminology, Lyria Inn, How is terminology going to put this 317 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:58,160 Speaker 1: guy behind bars? Terminology? What does that. 318 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 11: Matter to me because they need unders who he is. 319 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:04,879 Speaker 11: They keep using words like today on the show, people 320 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 11: have said grooming that implies over time. Listen to me 321 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 11: very carefully. There are three types of pimp. There's the 322 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 11: Ceo pimp, there's a Romeo pimp, and there's the gorilla pimp. 323 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:19,480 Speaker 11: The Ceo pimp is all about money. He only cares 324 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:21,720 Speaker 11: about money. She's an object. He's going to make money. 325 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:22,360 Speaker 12: He owns her. 326 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:25,879 Speaker 11: The Romeo pimp may tell her, hey, you're my wife, 327 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 11: you're my woman, put his name on her neck, tattoo 328 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 11: her as property, but she believes they're together. Then you've 329 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:34,840 Speaker 11: got the gorilla pimp. He's going to bust you in 330 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:37,359 Speaker 11: your face, shoot you up with heroin, and you are 331 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:41,440 Speaker 11: a six slave in fifteen minutes. And here's the thing. 332 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 11: The gentleman that is doing all of this. He can 333 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:48,159 Speaker 11: go from a Ceo pimp to a gorilla pimp, or 334 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:51,120 Speaker 11: a Romeo pimp to a gorilla pimp. And that's what 335 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:54,399 Speaker 11: you're seeing here. He promised them love and marriage and 336 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:57,280 Speaker 11: the next thing they know, they're beaten, laying on the 337 00:22:57,280 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 11: cement floor, working eight hours a day with no break. 338 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 1: And when you say working eight hours a day. What 339 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 1: you mean is enduring rape after rape after rape after 340 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:15,920 Speaker 1: rape after rape, and the pimp gets the money. Does 341 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:19,639 Speaker 1: the arrest of Andrew Tate and his creepy brother spell 342 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 1: the end of the so called manosphere? You know, like hemisphere, 343 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 1: but manosphere the controversial, That's one way to put it. 344 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 1: Influencer Andrew Tate reportedly will be extradited to the UK 345 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:41,440 Speaker 1: this after a grainy footage from police shows a man 346 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 1: dubbed the quote King of Toxic Masculinity being arrested in 347 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 1: the death of the Night along with his creepy brother 348 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 1: and hauled into a Bucharist court in handcuffs. Within hours, 349 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:59,639 Speaker 1: a judge approves the extradition of Andrew and Tristan Tate 350 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 1: to the UK, where they now face charges of sex 351 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 1: aggression in a case that dates back to two thousand 352 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:11,960 Speaker 1: and fifteen, but the judge says the Tate brothers won't 353 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 1: actually be sent to the UK until they face trial 354 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:22,199 Speaker 1: in Romania on separate charges of human trafficking, rape and 355 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 1: forming a criminal group to exploit women. Tate, now thirty seven, 356 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:35,000 Speaker 1: describes himself as a misogynist. He's a British American social 357 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:41,120 Speaker 1: media influencer a former professional kickboxer and has around nine 358 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 1: million followers on x formerly Twitter. Of course, many of 359 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 1: them are just schoolboys. Hello. Multiple women in multiple countries 360 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:55,879 Speaker 1: accuse him of rape, sex assault, and trafficking, and of 361 00:24:56,119 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 1: bragging about the crimes on social media. The US and 362 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,680 Speaker 1: all of this. You want to tell me he has 363 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:07,920 Speaker 1: not exploited women from the US, Well, let's go back 364 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 1: to the beginning. To you, Taitlin Becker, senior vesigedd reporter 365 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:15,639 Speaker 1: dalimil dot com. Could you please explain Obviously I'm not 366 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,400 Speaker 1: doing a good job, and I accept that you can 367 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:22,119 Speaker 1: do much better than me, explaining what kind of hate 368 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 1: and vitriol Andrew tait spews. What does he say? 369 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,480 Speaker 8: Well, first and foremost fancy, just to sort of put 370 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 8: the pimp question to bed, he sorry for the really 371 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:38,119 Speaker 8: poorly timed pun there too. He himself at a course 372 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,639 Speaker 8: called PhD in the war room. This is where the 373 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:45,159 Speaker 8: conversations that you were reading came from. And PhD stands 374 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:49,920 Speaker 8: for pimpin hoose degree. So he was doing this very 375 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 8: much in plane sight. 376 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 1: You know what, you are so polite. I am not 377 00:25:56,400 --> 00:26:04,440 Speaker 1: PhD pimpin pose degree. That's what he calls women ladies. Whores, 378 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:11,840 Speaker 1: pamping whores. Degree. Now, if he were just those are 379 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:16,440 Speaker 1: just words. I can't proscu some money for words unless 380 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:21,960 Speaker 1: they're terroristic threats. But these aren't just words. Where do 381 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:26,280 Speaker 1: you think he's getting three hundred million dollars plus? More 382 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:32,919 Speaker 1: women are being raped and subjugated and trafficked because of 383 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:38,679 Speaker 1: Andrew takes cult like members that he creates. Go ahead, 384 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 1: please Titlin Becker. 385 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:41,840 Speaker 8: Well, on top of that, Nancy with the money, he 386 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 8: essentially ran a pyramid scheme with his Hustlers University that 387 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,879 Speaker 8: was his more public platform. It was fifty bucks a month, 388 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 8: and they he essentially gave people advice on how to 389 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,600 Speaker 8: be a better man and how to get wealthy, and 390 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,480 Speaker 8: how to control women. And then he would have those 391 00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 8: members go and recruit other members. So he's running this 392 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:04,120 Speaker 8: sort of pyramid scheme on one side that I think 393 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:07,880 Speaker 8: at one point had something like over one hundred thousand subscribers, 394 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:12,680 Speaker 8: in addition to this other war room, which was certainly 395 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,800 Speaker 8: more nefarious, and we know from those leaked text messages 396 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:21,680 Speaker 8: that they spoke about women in just the most degrading terms, 397 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:25,199 Speaker 8: and they spoke about actions with women, about how they 398 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:28,359 Speaker 8: wanted to basically enslave them how they wanted them to, 399 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:30,960 Speaker 8: not have any control, like you said, very cult like, 400 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:34,480 Speaker 8: very much cult like, not have any control over their finances, 401 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,520 Speaker 8: not be able to control what they did, what they wore, 402 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,960 Speaker 8: what they eat, who they saw, and also separate them 403 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,560 Speaker 8: from their families. So those are sort of the actionable 404 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,399 Speaker 8: things that he's accused of doing. But what it comes 405 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:48,919 Speaker 8: down to is he had a lot of these women 406 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 8: allegedly performing online on something like OnlyFans, which is another 407 00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:58,360 Speaker 8: subscription based service, and different kinds of pornography sites which 408 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,920 Speaker 8: are other subscription based services. So he would allegedly get 409 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,960 Speaker 8: the money in from that while forcing these women for 410 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 8: ten twelve hours a day to perform these sex acts 411 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:12,040 Speaker 8: against their will. And these can be done anywhere because 412 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:12,959 Speaker 8: everything is online. 413 00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:16,399 Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, I need you right now to help me 414 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:18,320 Speaker 1: explain that I'm going to go to our other All 415 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 1: Star guests. First of all, a renowned international attorney is 416 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:30,479 Speaker 1: joining us, Greg Algrin and Lee Reeber, incredible forensic detective. Cheryl, 417 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:35,640 Speaker 1: I'm not making it clear. I don't think I need 418 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:39,440 Speaker 1: you to help me. I cannot expect everyone in this 419 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 1: room or everyone listening right now. To understand the outrage 420 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:47,520 Speaker 1: that I'm feeling, I think you have to go, and 421 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,600 Speaker 1: you have to either be a sex assault victim yourself, 422 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:54,240 Speaker 1: which guess what, you'd be really surprised about the people 423 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 1: you know that are sex assault victims that have never 424 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:04,720 Speaker 1: mentioned it. You'd be very surprised unless you are a 425 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,960 Speaker 1: sex assault victim, or have worked with sex assault victims, 426 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:12,480 Speaker 1: or you have gone and you have seen for yourself 427 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,280 Speaker 1: the lives of these women in the back of the 428 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:21,560 Speaker 1: nil salon, in the back of the massage parlors, in 429 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:25,400 Speaker 1: the apartments, the houses where they are beaten and drugged 430 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:30,040 Speaker 1: and raped by multiple men a day, and their lives 431 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 1: are torn apart and they are never the same. The beatings, 432 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 1: the humiliations, these women, these girls just go numb. And 433 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 1: while I often say, yeah, you can go on, you 434 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:50,160 Speaker 1: can go forward in their life, Yeah you can, but 435 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 1: they are forever wounded. Their psyche is forever messed up. 436 00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:01,320 Speaker 1: Help me, Cheryl, I can't describe the stem, the smell, 437 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 1: the anguish, the numbness that these women are living through 438 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:10,280 Speaker 1: right now while we're talking about which word to use, 439 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 1: they're being ready to sodomize and mean right now Cheryl Antey. 440 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,440 Speaker 11: I think you're doing a beautiful job that I know. 441 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,800 Speaker 11: For us on the street level and law enforcement, it 442 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:23,000 Speaker 11: is so difficult when you find a location and you 443 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:26,040 Speaker 11: kick that door in and you see somebody that's about 444 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:29,240 Speaker 11: twelve years old, and they're scared to death to come 445 00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:33,080 Speaker 11: to you. They're scared to death to talk. They will 446 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 11: not give the person's name up, they will not tell 447 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:38,680 Speaker 11: what's been happening. They don't want to be reunited with 448 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:44,239 Speaker 11: their families. Everything in their life is upside down. And 449 00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:48,120 Speaker 11: when you're talking about trying to help somebody and you know, 450 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,560 Speaker 11: bring them back home and get them to a place 451 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:53,240 Speaker 11: where they can maybe even go back to school, it's 452 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:54,440 Speaker 11: almost impossible. 453 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,600 Speaker 1: Yes, Cheryl hold On, I want to talk about grown women. Okay, 454 00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 1: and yes, everything you just said was right. But these women, 455 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,080 Speaker 1: it's like the ladies that I work with at the 456 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 1: Batter Women's Center. They're so beaten and beaten down and 457 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:14,840 Speaker 1: drugged and it's horrible. I mean, think about it. 458 00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 11: It's not much different for us. Since she's twenty one 459 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:22,880 Speaker 11: or thirty five, everything has been flipped for her. The 460 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:26,400 Speaker 11: paranoia is real. The drugs they were given them is real. 461 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,720 Speaker 11: The beatings are real, So you are so afraid to 462 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,240 Speaker 11: go against that person. It doesn't matter what somebody in 463 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:35,160 Speaker 11: law enforcement says, what somebody in your family says. 464 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:38,480 Speaker 12: You believe this person that's. 465 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,680 Speaker 11: Been beaten you, there's been drugging you, that's been sexually 466 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,760 Speaker 11: assaulting you, is still in control of you, even if 467 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 11: they've been taken to jams. 468 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,640 Speaker 7: This is Don Schiller Again. I don't think I am 469 00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:50,239 Speaker 7: a survivor of all of that. That is exactly what 470 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:52,880 Speaker 7: I went through. I went through that with John Holmes. 471 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,880 Speaker 7: I went through that with almost six years of being hidden, 472 00:31:56,200 --> 00:32:00,959 Speaker 7: being beaten, being addicted to drugs, being forced into prostitution, 473 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,840 Speaker 7: being forced into crime. I did all of that. I 474 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,480 Speaker 7: know that trauma is a life sentence. So I feel 475 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:08,840 Speaker 7: you and I hear you on that on a big level, 476 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:11,560 Speaker 7: on a big level, and I do care about these 477 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:15,280 Speaker 7: women and I understand what they're going through. What he's doing, 478 00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:18,040 Speaker 7: I agree with you one hundred percent, is absolutely egregious. 479 00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,480 Speaker 7: That he's just throwing it in people's faces. Is even 480 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,360 Speaker 7: more insulting to survivors, and the victims who are still 481 00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,680 Speaker 7: out there are scared to death to speak up. You 482 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,000 Speaker 7: don't know you're a victim. When you are coming out 483 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:31,680 Speaker 7: of that, you've been brainwashed into believe in that you 484 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,280 Speaker 7: did it to yourself if you consented to all of that. 485 00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:35,800 Speaker 7: That's part of the tactic. 486 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:36,400 Speaker 12: That the youth. 487 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:53,200 Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. According to the notorious misogynist 488 00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:58,360 Speaker 1: the Tape Brothers quote, this case arises from defendant TikTok's 489 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:05,600 Speaker 1: unlawful and motivated decision to deplatform Andrew Tate and Tristan 490 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:15,080 Speaker 1: Tate too internationally known entrepreneurs, commentators, and media personalities. Well, 491 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:18,000 Speaker 1: they're known for a whole lot more than that. Greg 492 00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:21,320 Speaker 1: Augrin is joining us as well as Lee Reeber, Greg 493 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:25,560 Speaker 1: high profile international lawyer with the US dah Emax Law Group. 494 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:31,800 Speaker 1: Listen to this more of the messages and the misogynistic 495 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:37,640 Speaker 1: hate spewed by this alleged sex trafficker. This is in 496 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:42,280 Speaker 1: his wor room instructs members to quote punish victims that 497 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:46,680 Speaker 1: would be women for transgressions by having her get our 498 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:53,520 Speaker 1: name tattooed on her. One group leader, called a general, 499 00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,040 Speaker 1: describes how he hit a woman in the head with 500 00:33:56,440 --> 00:34:00,680 Speaker 1: her own keyboard when she complained about something. The woman 501 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,440 Speaker 1: who worked for him then went in the room and 502 00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:08,880 Speaker 1: worked seven hours without a break. It goes on and 503 00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:12,080 Speaker 1: on and on about how to beat and control women 504 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:20,840 Speaker 1: to perform pornographic acts, group sex, many online, many on screen. 505 00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:25,000 Speaker 1: Greg Algrin is joining us. Greg. A lot of what 506 00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:32,440 Speaker 1: I know from these alleged messages of Andrew Tates I 507 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:35,279 Speaker 1: can't bring myself to repeat on the air. But let 508 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:39,640 Speaker 1: me ask you, what can the US do about it? 509 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:43,440 Speaker 1: Because there is there are so many victims here, I believe, 510 00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:47,719 Speaker 1: including one victim whose name has somehow been leaked, and 511 00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:53,120 Speaker 1: all these a holes working Rotate or working under Tait 512 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:57,560 Speaker 1: have actually started trolling her and sending this woman death threats. 513 00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:01,040 Speaker 1: I mean, what are we going to do about it? 514 00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:02,759 Speaker 1: And what can we do about it? 515 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:07,240 Speaker 12: Sure? So the situation is just it it's so outrageous 516 00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:11,000 Speaker 12: that it cries out for legal accountability, and I think 517 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:17,839 Speaker 12: you know, eventually it has to catch up with all 518 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:23,080 Speaker 12: of them in apartment right, because Andrew Tate is a 519 00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:27,160 Speaker 12: citizen by birth of the United States, and so he 520 00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:29,719 Speaker 12: can flee the country, but he can't. He can't lose 521 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:34,080 Speaker 12: that citizenship. And that means the US, with his network 522 00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:39,000 Speaker 12: of mutual legal assistance treaties, is always going to have 523 00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:43,480 Speaker 12: an interest perhaps, you know, it's a question of sort 524 00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:46,600 Speaker 12: of capturing the attention of law enforcement. But the US 525 00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:49,719 Speaker 12: has the means to catch up with it wherever he 526 00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:55,000 Speaker 12: is and ensure there's some legal accountability. So it needs 527 00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:58,000 Speaker 12: to happen a lot of times. It's very very slow, 528 00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:03,680 Speaker 12: it's bureaucratic, but the process that it can be virtually 529 00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:07,600 Speaker 12: impossible to escape from once it gets started. So hopefully 530 00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:12,399 Speaker 12: we'll see sooner rather than later that legal accountability. There's 531 00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:14,800 Speaker 12: a structure for it. It just needs to be engaged. 532 00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:19,000 Speaker 1: I want you to hear this. Andrew Tate quote told 533 00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:23,640 Speaker 1: rape victim he would get her pregnant, lock her away, 534 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:31,800 Speaker 1: allegedly find webcam workers that started crying during sex acts 535 00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:37,520 Speaker 1: on webcam and tried to coerce him into group sex, 536 00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:43,520 Speaker 1: and then they started crying and so he punished them. 537 00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:48,640 Speaker 1: This is his business that is making five million dollars 538 00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:53,319 Speaker 1: a month. One victim claims Tate tried to force her 539 00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:57,600 Speaker 1: to have group sex and said shut up horror when 540 00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:03,640 Speaker 1: she tried to. There are hundreds and hundreds of pages 541 00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:09,440 Speaker 1: of reported testimony and evidence verbally physically abusing these women. 542 00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:14,040 Speaker 1: One woman tells prosecutor's Tape would rape her while holding 543 00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:17,080 Speaker 1: her head so as she couldn't move, and threaten to 544 00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:20,480 Speaker 1: get her pregnant. I mean, it goes on and on 545 00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:25,240 Speaker 1: and on. He would take her clothes and shoes away 546 00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:30,320 Speaker 1: from her and continue to beat her. Shut up, horror, 547 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,279 Speaker 1: you will do as I say. I mean, it goes 548 00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:35,600 Speaker 1: on and on and on, and I'm reading you only 549 00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:40,520 Speaker 1: portions of what I know. Many of these women, apparently Caitlin, 550 00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:44,920 Speaker 1: are promised love a marriage, and then they are transported, 551 00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:49,640 Speaker 1: many of them to Romania, where they are gang raped, 552 00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:53,920 Speaker 1: sex exploited, and subjected to physical violence. There are hundreds 553 00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:58,359 Speaker 1: and hundreds and hundreds of pages of reported violence. One 554 00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:04,800 Speaker 1: victim reports a Taate coworker, a Henchman, threatens to quote 555 00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:09,120 Speaker 1: break her teeth that she would end up in the morgue. 556 00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:16,440 Speaker 1: The women creating porn for Tates Brothers webcam business alleged 557 00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:21,760 Speaker 1: their income is controlled by the Tates. They are fined 558 00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:26,360 Speaker 1: or punished if they start crying during a sex act, 559 00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,200 Speaker 1: if they wipe their nose, if they take too long 560 00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:33,120 Speaker 1: on a break. It just goes on and on and on. 561 00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:36,480 Speaker 1: Many people ask how did Andrew and Tristan Tate get 562 00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:39,600 Speaker 1: back into the US. We know that Florida launched a 563 00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:45,080 Speaker 1: criminal investigation and to the influencers, I guess you could 564 00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:49,440 Speaker 1: call them that. They spew hate for women every day online. 565 00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:53,319 Speaker 1: Andrew and Tristan Tate. At the end of February, the 566 00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:57,440 Speaker 1: two fled to the US from Romania, where they were 567 00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:01,920 Speaker 1: accused of human trafficking and accused of forming an organized 568 00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:07,000 Speaker 1: group to sex exploit women. Andrew Tate also accused of rape. 569 00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:10,000 Speaker 1: Of course, they deny all the charges. Now, the two 570 00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:13,880 Speaker 1: were dual citizens in the UK and the US, and 571 00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:20,880 Speaker 1: they have made millions of dollars off social media. Online 572 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:29,719 Speaker 1: they're extremely controversial with repeated offensive statements about women. They 573 00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,440 Speaker 1: have an American dad who worked for the US Air 574 00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:36,960 Speaker 1: Force in Britain. Their parents met in the UK and 575 00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,160 Speaker 1: then they moved to the US. Now that's how they're 576 00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:42,920 Speaker 1: US citizens through the dad. The parents divorced, the mom 577 00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:47,000 Speaker 1: goes back to England. The brothers spent time there and 578 00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:53,840 Speaker 1: police there linked them to quote terrifying radicalization of boys 579 00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:59,080 Speaker 1: and young men into violence against women and girls. There 580 00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:01,279 Speaker 1: was a big red fl in Romania that they were 581 00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:03,839 Speaker 1: going to try and leave because they went quiet on 582 00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:08,759 Speaker 1: social media. They then flew from Bucharest to Florida on 583 00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:15,160 Speaker 1: a private jet back in January. Now why why? Why? 584 00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:17,920 Speaker 1: The travel band had been lifted and the two got 585 00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:22,880 Speaker 1: their US passports back. Oddly, the two have a huge 586 00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:28,600 Speaker 1: US following. Many people, many, many people in the crime 587 00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:34,680 Speaker 1: victim community are extremely disturbed by reports that US officials 588 00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:43,439 Speaker 1: asked for Tate's travel restrictions to be relaxed. Why now. 589 00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:49,840 Speaker 1: The Florida criminal investigation is a civil lawsuit from a 590 00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:52,960 Speaker 1: woman who claims they coerced her into sex work, then 591 00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:57,560 Speaker 1: defamed her when she gave evidence to Romanian police. They 592 00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:02,480 Speaker 1: deny this again. At this juncture, the two are innocent 593 00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:07,040 Speaker 1: until proven guilty. I guess even the devil can follow 594 00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:11,560 Speaker 1: lawsuit because that's exactly what a Tate brother has done. 595 00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:16,640 Speaker 1: That's right. Andrew Tate slams TikTok in Zuckerberg's Meta for 596 00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:22,600 Speaker 1: one hundred million dollars for kicking him off their platforms. 597 00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:30,120 Speaker 1: According to Tate quote, it's good versus evil, so insists 598 00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:40,480 Speaker 1: the accused rapist. We wait as justice unfolds. Goodbye for