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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: Jim Harold is among America's most popular paranormal podcast hosts.

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Speaker 1: With his free programs The Paranormal Podcast and Jim Harold's Campfire.

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Speaker 1: Jim has developed a loyal following over the last sixteen

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Speaker 1: years that spans the globe. He's published five volumes of

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Speaker 1: true ghost stories Jim Harold's Campfire, Jim, Welcome back to coast.

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Speaker 1: How are you. I am doing well, Richard, and so

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Speaker 1: glad to be with you and the greatest audience in radio,

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Speaker 1: the Coast audience. Oh it is, indeed, it is. Indeed.

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Speaker 1: I was talking about the connection between camp fires and

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Speaker 1: ghost stories. What do you think that's all about it? Well,

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Speaker 1: I think there's just you kind of hit it on

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Speaker 1: the head. There's something visceral about a campfire and something

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Speaker 1: very primal about it. And aren't ghost stories when you

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Speaker 1: get down to it, and story of the supernatural, because

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Speaker 1: we do a lot more than ghost stories, don't they

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Speaker 1: get down to those primal questions, what's the nature of reality?

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Speaker 1: What happens after we die? So I think they both

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Speaker 1: the campfire and stories of the supernatural have a lot

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Speaker 1: in common. Did you camp as a kid? You know,

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Speaker 1: I did a little bit, not as much as I

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Speaker 1: would have liked because I was a city kid. But

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Speaker 1: every year we would go back to the sticks, to

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Speaker 1: the hills of West Virginia and visit with family, and

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Speaker 1: I got to play country kid a little bit a

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Speaker 1: couple of weeks every year. But that's something, Richard, I

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Speaker 1: wish I could go back and do more of it.

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Speaker 1: A lot of strange things going on in West Virginia.

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Speaker 1: Oh yes, I never realized when I was a kid.

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Speaker 1: But you've gotten Mothman, and you've got the trans Alleghany

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Speaker 1: Lunatic Asylum, which is kind of an unfortunate name, but

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Speaker 1: that's what it was called, which was very close to

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Speaker 1: where actually mom was from. And I didn't know I

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Speaker 1: was traveling in all of these circles. But I do

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Speaker 1: think the reason, part of the reason I'm fascinated with

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Speaker 1: campfire stories is we didn't really do it around a campfire,

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Speaker 1: but on the porch when you would go down there

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Speaker 1: every summer, family would be talking about strange things that

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Speaker 1: happened in their lives, and tales would always turn to

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Speaker 1: the supernatural, and those are always the ones that I

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Speaker 1: like best. So how does the podcast work Jim Herald's

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Speaker 1: Campfire Because you have the Paranormal podcast, which is kind

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Speaker 1: of an interview type show you have guests, but Campfire

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Speaker 1: is very different. Yes, this is the show where people

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Speaker 1: get to speak. We've been doing this show since two

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Speaker 1: thousand and nine. It's ninety minutes every week. We put

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Speaker 1: it out on all the major podcast apps, and it's

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Speaker 1: just people submit their stories. They come in and they

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Speaker 1: tell us what happened. I don't try to gin the

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Speaker 1: stories up. I don't try to say, hey, be scarier.

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Speaker 1: I say, sit down around our campfire and just tell

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Speaker 1: us simply what happened. And I don't really need to

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Speaker 1: bolster them up because they're incredible. And the thing is,

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Speaker 1: as though we've done thousands of stories on the show,

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Speaker 1: I'm always amazed. Somebody's always bringing something new, and they're

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Speaker 1: always bringing something amazing, right. I mean, over the years, you,

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Speaker 1: I'm guessing, have developed a pretty good BS meter, let's

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Speaker 1: call it. So, I mean, what to you are let's

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Speaker 1: say the telltale signs of authenticity or a genuineness with

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Speaker 1: the people that are relating these ghost stories. Well, I

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Speaker 1: do believe the vast majority of people who call in

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Speaker 1: that these are people who say, you know, I've never

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Speaker 1: told anybody this story before. I've been shy about telling it.

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Speaker 1: I kind of grappled with it. You know, if somebody says,

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Speaker 1: people I talked to many times are trying to kind

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Speaker 1: figure it out. And to me, that's max of truth telling.

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Speaker 1: And that's the vast majority of people who call into

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Speaker 1: the camp fire, right. And then there are those old chestnuts,

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Speaker 1: fires for you know, generations. We've we've all heard them.

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Speaker 1: ghost stories, right, camp Fire is not even though the

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Speaker 1: books are true ghost stories Jim Harold's camp Fire, what

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Speaker 1: happens on the podcast. The stories that are told on

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Speaker 1: the podcast are not just ghost stories. Oh no, no,

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Speaker 1: no no. We have UFO stories, shadow people, which I

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Speaker 1: you got a call from someone named Sue in Vermont

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Speaker 1: And I'm a firm believer there's good, but I also

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Speaker 1: believe there's evil. I'm with you. Listen to more Coast

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