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Speaker 2: It's seven years ago today, the Kansas City Chiefs decided
Speaker 2: to trade Alex Smith to Washington. So we're at the
Speaker 2: Super Bowl. We had gotten word that Alex Smith was
Speaker 2: probably going to be traded. He was with us on
Speaker 2: the show and we couldn't get anything out of him,
Speaker 2: but he knew that he didn't he didn't really know
Speaker 2: where he was going. He knew that he was going
Speaker 2: to be traded from Kansas City. And then we get
Speaker 2: done with our show in Minneapolis. Two hours later, Alex
Speaker 2: Smith is traded to Washington for a defensive back and
Speaker 2: a third round pick. He had gone nine to six
Speaker 2: as a starter in Kansas City in twenty seventeen. In
Speaker 2: the previous four seasons, he had won a lets games
Speaker 2: three times, and his stats when he was traded from
Speaker 2: Kansas City twenty seventeen, he threw for four thousand yards.
Speaker 2: He had twenty six touchdowns, five interceptions. Those are good numbers,
Speaker 2: but they knew what they had with Patrick Mahomes. They
Speaker 2: traded up to get Mahomes, and Alex Smith was dead.
Speaker 3: Man walking.
Speaker 2: This happened with San Francisco with Colin Kaepernick. Jim Harbaugh
Speaker 2: made that move, but Andy Reid made a move. The
Speaker 2: Kansas City Chiefs made a move that changed NFL history
Speaker 2: and paved the way for AFC Title Games, Super Bowls,
Speaker 2: and maybe what will turn out to be the greatest
Speaker 2: quarterback in history. That was seven years ago today, and
Speaker 2: I remember talking to Paulie, I go, how do I
Speaker 2: get that information out of him? Because he's smart enough
Speaker 2: to know that I'm going to ask him about it.
Speaker 2: Does he really know what's he You don't want to
Speaker 2: ruin the deal. And he was going to get a
Speaker 2: lot out of money. I think he got a four
Speaker 2: year extension around ninety million, seventy one million, guaranteed he
Speaker 2: was going to do well. Now we know that he
Speaker 2: got injured with Washington, but he had a good career.
Speaker 2: He had good numbers with San Francisco, good numbers with
Speaker 2: Kansas City, and then his career cut short with the
Speaker 2: injury in Washington. But seven years ago, taking a chance
Speaker 2: and taking a chance eight years ago, when you think
Speaker 2: about what they did in the draft and the fact
Speaker 2: that the New Orleans Saints and Sean Payton said this,
Speaker 2: they were taking Patrick Mahomes. How would NFL history look
Speaker 2: if the Saints had taken him? What would that have
Speaker 2: meant for Drew Brees and Bree's getting older? Sean Payton
Speaker 2: sees what he sees in Patrick Mahomes. I got my
Speaker 2: heir apparent right here. Well, Alex Smith wasn't old, but
Speaker 2: he saw Andy Reid saw something that maybe others didn't
Speaker 2: Sean Payton did. Now, there are a lot of coaches.
Speaker 2: It's like with Russell Wilson, Yeah, we were going to
Speaker 2: take him. Well, you could have the first round or
Speaker 2: the second round, even in the third round, you could
Speaker 2: have taken him. Everybody after the fact, but Sean Payton said, hey,
Speaker 2: we wanted him. Kansas City was going to go get him.
Speaker 2: And it was during that week an NFL scout source
Speaker 2: of mind said you should get Patrick Mahomes on he's
Speaker 2: moving up the draft board. And I said to Fritzie, hey,
Speaker 2: see if we can get Mahomes. Now we couldn't, but
Speaker 2: you know, I was given a heads up that he
Speaker 2: was moving up. Didn't know where, but he was moving up.
Speaker 2: And then he lands in Kansas City and you're like,
Speaker 2: why would they go get him. Alex Smith's a good quarterback.
Speaker 2: And then we realized soon after that when he threw
Speaker 2: for fifty touchdowns, who was the quarterback prior to Patrick Mahomes. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that was Alex Smith. And even the draft profile, well,
Speaker 2: he was going to be, you know, the the second
Speaker 2: coming of Brett farm He's a gunslinger those games.
Speaker 3: Nobody played defense in the.
Speaker 2: Big Twelve, which is true, but I don't think people
Speaker 2: saw the intelligence of Patrick Mahomes. I think they just
Speaker 2: saw that he kind of ran around. You know, Texas
Speaker 2: Tech unless you really love football, you're not going to
Speaker 2: find Texas Tech games unless they're playing against somebody. The
Speaker 2: first time I saw him, it was Oklahoma State, and
Speaker 2: you know they always shootouts. It's like forty two forty,
Speaker 2: and I kept thinking, well, it's another Texas Tech quarterback.
Speaker 2: They always have big numbers, you know, Mike Leach always
Speaker 2: has that offense. They're going to get you know, thirty
Speaker 2: five forty points. They'll lead the nation in passing, but
Speaker 2: then they don't do anything in the NFL. Mahomes was different. Yeah,
Speaker 2: pull the draft profile.
Speaker 4: We've talked about this from NFL dot Com. Inconsistent, gunslinger, reckless,
Speaker 4: not an athlete more of a scrambler. They critique his
Speaker 4: throwing motion. It was the word project is used on
Speaker 4: a couple of different websites. But the Chiefs they didn't
Speaker 4: start in week four. They didn't have to start in
Speaker 4: week for I don't know how much that helped his
Speaker 4: rookie year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you have Alex Smith, and I think Mahomes has
Speaker 2: talked about you know, Brady's talked about this.
Speaker 3: He wasn't ready to start.
Speaker 2: He needed to sit and watch and kind of understand
Speaker 2: how the game moves at what pace. And Mahomes has
Speaker 2: talked about that that he got to learn under Alex Smith.
Speaker 3: Now, I don't think Alex Smith knew that.
Speaker 2: Hey, I'm going to give you all the secrets and
Speaker 2: then all of a sudden, wait a minute, what are
Speaker 2: we doing?
Speaker 3: Do you have Alex Smith at the super Bowl?
Speaker 2: So this is seven years ago this morning that we
Speaker 2: had Alex Smith on and I'm trying to get him
Speaker 2: to tell me where he's going to be traded.
Speaker 3: Where are you going to be playing next year? Question?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean you're not going to get much right now.
Speaker 5: Sorry to disappoint, I got I got absolutely nothing for
Speaker 5: you that's gonna do you know in your head you
Speaker 5: just can't tell me.
Speaker 6: No.
Speaker 5: I mean I wish I knew. I wish I listened.
Speaker 5: I got a year under contract there in Kansas City.
Speaker 5: I mean, that's uh in control of this thing, right,
Speaker 5: I mean I wish I was the one that got
Speaker 5: to be able to to do this.
Speaker 3: That's just not the reality. But if you were in control,
Speaker 3: what would you do?
Speaker 6: Well?
Speaker 5: You know, yeah, listen, like I said, I mean, you're
Speaker 5: you're not gonna like this answer at all?
Speaker 6: I mean not.
Speaker 3: I mean, I love, I love where I'm at.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: I felt like we underachieved.
Speaker 5: I felt that we as offensively last year, did some
Speaker 5: you know, awesome things.
Speaker 7: You know, so, but but who knows.
Speaker 3: I've been playing long enough.
Speaker 5: I've been through this before the trade deal, so I'm
Speaker 5: not uh not naive to it. You know, this is
Speaker 5: a crazy business. A low crazy stuff can happen.
Speaker 2: And then he was traded to Washington for Kendall Fuller
Speaker 2: in a third round draft pick. But he got ninety
Speaker 2: four million dollar deal, seventy one million dollars guaranteed if
Speaker 2: you go through the vowels, AEI, oh you that's what
Speaker 2: it sounded like. Alex Smith so PAULI asked me the question,
Speaker 2: I'll be Alex Smith.
Speaker 7: What would you do if you were in control?
Speaker 2: I'll oh you sometimes? Why? Yeah, he he knew something.
Speaker 2: He had to know something, because those deals don't get
Speaker 2: done that quickly. It's like when free agency starts, it's
Speaker 2: like twelve oh one. They got a deal done in
Speaker 2: a minute. No tampering here. But Alex you know, he
Speaker 2: had to move on and uh, he'll be the trivial
Speaker 2: pursuit question or answer of who was the quarterback prior
Speaker 2: to Patrick Mahomes. ALRIGHTY eight seven to seven to three
Speaker 2: DP show Dylan, what's the poll question today?
Speaker 3: From the first hour?
Speaker 8: All right, Dan, we're gonna go with without knowing what
Speaker 8: would happen in the future, would you've traded Alex Smith
Speaker 8: after the twenty seventeen season, which was statistically his best season, touchdowns, yards,
Speaker 8: TD and.
Speaker 7: I in t ratio.
Speaker 2: Now, not everybody agreed that you got to move on
Speaker 2: from Alex Smith because we weren't quite sure what they
Speaker 2: had with Patrick Mahomes. So to be fair to oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: everybody knew, they didn't not everybody knew leading up to
Speaker 2: the draft. If everybody knew what Patrick Mahomes was going
Speaker 2: to be Kansas City wouldn't have been the only team
Speaker 2: trading up to get him. He would have been taken
Speaker 2: well before Mitch Trubisky Tuson. Yeah, what woud his career
Speaker 2: been like if he played for the Bears. There's certain
Speaker 2: organizations where you go. If that guy had gone to
Speaker 2: that organization, would he have been a great like Tom Brady?
Speaker 3: If he went to Cleveland? Would he have been Tom Brady?
Speaker 2: No, if Mahomes doesn't go to Kansas City, he's not
Speaker 2: one of the great quarterbacks of all time.
Speaker 3: But in the system. By the way, I know that
Speaker 3: there's a a I.
Speaker 2: Don't know, a documentary or there's a three part series
Speaker 2: about you know it's Brady versus Belichick. Chris mad Dog
Speaker 2: Russo was talking about this that he's hosting this. Are
Speaker 2: we going to do that to Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes?
Speaker 2: Why do we do it for Brady and Belichick? Now
Speaker 2: I know there's no conflict. It'd be like if Mahomes
Speaker 2: left and let's say he went to the Jets and
Speaker 2: won a Super Bowl, would we then have this argument
Speaker 2: of I don't know who's better Patrick, who was more
Speaker 2: responsible Mahomes or Andy Reid. But we do that with
Speaker 2: Brady and Belichick, although they've done a pretty good job
Speaker 2: of complimenting each other. I'll go back to the Super
Speaker 2: Bowl when the Patriots lost to the Eagles, and I
Speaker 2: interviewed Brady prior to that, was during super Bowl week,
Speaker 2: and I said, do you think you ever said it
Speaker 2: down with Bill and reminisce? And he looked at me like,
Speaker 2: you gotta be that's the dumbest question.
Speaker 3: He goes, no.
Speaker 2: But now they're sitting down and reminiscing and you know,
Speaker 2: verbal bouquets and everything is good. In fact, Bill Belichick
Speaker 2: was on the Jim Gray podcast, the Let's Go Podcast
Speaker 2: and talking about Tom Brady and the Super Bowl Trophy.
Speaker 9: Players win games. You can't win games without good players.
Speaker 9: I don't care who the coach is, it's impossible. You
Speaker 9: can't win without good players. I mean, it's you know,
Speaker 9: it's Brady, it's McGinnis, it's ra Bol, it's Bruski, it's
Speaker 9: Corey Dillon, it's Randy Moss, Troy Brown, Lawyer Malloy, Ty law,
Speaker 9: Rodney Harrison. Those are guys that won the games.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 3: I didn't make any tackles.
Speaker 9: I didn't make any kicks. That was Vintary that made
Speaker 9: that kick in four inches of snow. You gotta have
Speaker 9: good players. They don't name it the Star Trophy. It's
Speaker 9: named little Bardi Trophy.
Speaker 3: Name it the Brady Trophy. Seven of them.
Speaker 2: Okay, it's a throwaway line by Bill Good follow up
Speaker 2: by Jim Gray. They don't call it the bart Star Trophy.
Speaker 2: They call it the Lombardi Trophy. We'll revisit this coming
Speaker 2: up a little bit because I got a few more
Speaker 2: thoughts about this and naming the Super Bowl Trophy after
Speaker 2: Tom Brady. I have some other options there. So what
Speaker 2: other poll questions are we thinking about? First hour? Dylan
Speaker 2: Well going off that.
Speaker 8: Then we can go with should the Lombardi Trophy be
Speaker 8: renamed the Brady Trophy?
Speaker 6: Yes?
Speaker 2: Or now let me save that. Okay, I'm gonna save that.
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Speaker 2: a little bit. Also, when we had the NBA commissioner
Speaker 2: Adam Silver on yesterday and I said, hey, give me
Speaker 2: some wild suggestions and we'll bring back just the comment
Speaker 2: that he talked about of making these games forty minute,
Speaker 2: not forty eight minute games, ten minute quarters. And I
Speaker 2: don't think he realized it was going to explode, and
Speaker 2: I did try to warn him that it was going
Speaker 2: to take off, and maybe he did know, maybe he
Speaker 2: did want to gauge the reaction to something like this,
Speaker 2: and I was surprised at some of the reaction. We'll
Speaker 2: talk about that. And there were certain news organizations that
Speaker 2: kept it in context, which I appreciate, and there are
Speaker 2: other ones that have misleading headlines in there, because this
Speaker 2: was just wild things that you're thinking about, maybe two
Speaker 2: free throws if you get fouled on a three point shot.
Speaker 2: And then he dropped the bomb where he said, why
Speaker 2: don't we make it universal? This is what they do
Speaker 2: in the Olympics, this is what they do in Europe.
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Speaker 2: We started the show with a anniversary of sours. Seven
Speaker 2: years ago today, Alex Smith traded from Kansas City and
Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes took over and subsequently took over the NFL,
Speaker 2: throwing fifty touchdowns and going to the AFC title game
Speaker 2: every year. He's been a starter now going to the
Speaker 2: super Bowl where they're one and a half point favorites.
Speaker 2: Pauli said, there's some player comps that are fun. I
Speaker 2: brought up Brett Farv was what I was told by
Speaker 2: a scout. You know, he's a little reckless. He likes
Speaker 2: the thrill, likes the danger, sort of like trying to
Speaker 2: fit things into tight windows. But his football IQ is
Speaker 2: what stood out to this scout. And Andy Reid probably
Speaker 2: had to have seen that. Somebody saw it because they're like, hey,
Speaker 2: we're going to go up and get him and I
Speaker 2: don't think anybody was thinking about Patrick Mahomes. I think
Speaker 2: Deshaun Watson, Like there are other quarterbacks where you're going, oh,
Speaker 2: somebody going to go up and get him, and look,
Speaker 2: Deshaun Watson. I know there's a lot of things not
Speaker 2: to like about him now, but in college he did
Speaker 2: everything you wanted him to do. He won big games,
Speaker 2: won a national title. Now he looked, you know, maybe
Speaker 2: a little frail, but still he was a really good quarterback.
Speaker 2: And then Mahomes was just a curiosity. I mean, I
Speaker 2: have to admit I had no idea that he would
Speaker 2: be even a starter in the NFL. But I didn't
Speaker 2: study him. And it's not my job as an analyst
Speaker 2: or breaking down tape, but just the eye test where
Speaker 2: you're watching, you go, damn, he's fun. But there have
Speaker 2: been a lot of quarterbacks that are fun. Johnny Manziel
Speaker 2: was fun. But can you do that on a regular basis?
Speaker 2: But I always like, you know, the player comps are
Speaker 2: great because you can move on from that draft, but
Speaker 2: your opinions about that draft stay with us, Yes, Pauline.
Speaker 4: So for the past decade, Land zer Line, who's been
Speaker 4: on this show, does player comps and analysis before the
Speaker 4: draft of almost every player. So this year he will
Speaker 4: do Jalen Milroe pros and cons and then do a
Speaker 4: player comp. So back in twenty seventeen, what was his
Speaker 4: player comp for Patrick Mahomes coming out of Texas Tech, Dan,
Speaker 4: you're gonna go last Fritzi, You're gonna go first.
Speaker 12: Player comp for Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say, but we're taking Brett fahv off the table.
Speaker 4: Maybe, oh okay, he could be one of those players.
Speaker 4: It was not Brett far Oh okay, that's the hint.
Speaker 2: Okay, Todd, you got a player comp for Mahomes seven
Speaker 2: years ago.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go, We'll come back to you.
Speaker 7: Yeah, come back to me. Dylan mm hmmm, Ken Stabler, respect.
Speaker 2: The old school Polger, Marvin, Jeff George.
Speaker 3: Wow, not a compliment. Wow, I'm gonna go Brett Favrey.
Speaker 4: It was Jay Cutler, big arm, creative, reckless with some
Speaker 4: of the words used.
Speaker 3: Todd, do you have a I was gonna say.
Speaker 12: Steve Young as far as someone that mobile, and you're
Speaker 12: gonna kind of put it in a spot.
Speaker 13: Okay, yes, I just said Jeff George, Jeff George, j
Speaker 13: Cutler tomato, tomato.
Speaker 3: No, No, who threw a prettier ball than Jeff George
Speaker 3: Warren Moon.
Speaker 2: That's about it. So he's on a short list of
Speaker 2: pretty Yeah. I don't want to say that, but you can,
Speaker 2: yeah pretty balls. About time someone said, yeah, yeah, Jeff
Speaker 2: George had pretty break down.
Speaker 3: Who had the prettiest balls in every history?
Speaker 2: Dan Warren Moon, prettiest balls I've ever seen. You can
Speaker 2: have a pretty ball that you throw, but they have
Speaker 2: to catch it too.
Speaker 3: That was his fault.
Speaker 2: Well, maybe he threw it and looked beautiful. It just
Speaker 2: didn't always end up where it was supposed to. Jay
Speaker 2: Cutler was a really good athlete, really good athlete. Jeff
Speaker 2: George I never thought he was a really good athlete.
Speaker 3: You know, Warren Moon was a really good athlete.
Speaker 2: But yeah, these player comps are always they're they're interesting, Yes, Todd,
Speaker 2: if Mahomes had.
Speaker 12: A heater and look disinterested, it'll be a perfect competicate Cotler.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and if he was married to a reality star
Speaker 2: like Christian Cavaleri. All right, Uh so there's the uh,
Speaker 2: the comps for Patrick Mahomes. So that was eight years
Speaker 2: ago when he was going into the draft, and then
Speaker 2: seven years ago on this date, I still love listening
Speaker 2: to Alex Smith. Alex Smith is just there to promote
Speaker 2: a head and shoulders or old spice, and then I'm
Speaker 2: going to where do you want to go?
Speaker 7: What if you can decide where you want to go?
Speaker 2: Yeah, poor guy putting the heat on him. And then
Speaker 2: two hours later they made it official and then we
Speaker 2: saw him. We're like, why can you tell us he goes?
Speaker 7: I couldn't.
Speaker 3: I didn't really know. I knew I was going to
Speaker 3: be tryed. I just didn't know that I was going
Speaker 3: to be traded or where I was going to be traded.
Speaker 3: Have you tried the low sugar gatorade?
Speaker 2: Then a lot of headlines yesterday a lot of people
Speaker 2: picked up the commissioner, Adam Silver, who was with us,
Speaker 2: and I felt the interview was slipping away. He was
Speaker 2: talking about, you know, there was a lot of pr
Speaker 2: there that he wanted to get out, get some positives,
Speaker 2: remind people. I mean, there's a reason why he came on.
Speaker 2: I've known him for over thirty years. You know, I
Speaker 2: knew him when he worked for NBA Entertainment, he was
Speaker 2: doing production there and now the commissioner. But I could
Speaker 2: tell that I was running out of time and I
Speaker 2: wasn't getting anything from him, and he was going to
Speaker 2: talk about some things. He had bullet points, and then
Speaker 2: I said, now I got to interrupt him or make
Speaker 2: it rapid fire. And then that's when I said, give me,
Speaker 2: give me some of the crazy ideas that come across
Speaker 2: to your desk. And he had this to say.
Speaker 14: Something else that I'm a fan of. And I'm probably
Speaker 14: in a minority as we get more involved in global basketball.
Speaker 14: The NBA is the only league that plays forty eight minutes,
Speaker 14: and I would be I am a fan of four
Speaker 14: ten minute quarters. I'm not sure that many others are.
Speaker 14: I mean, putting inside what it means for records and
Speaker 14: things like that, I think that a two hour format
Speaker 14: for a game is more consistent sort of modern television habits.
Speaker 14: I don't think people in arenas aren't asking us to
Speaker 14: shorten the game, but I think as a television program
Speaker 14: being two hours, that's Olympic basket balls being is two hours,
Speaker 14: you know, college basketball courses.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but if you like it, I'd say it has
Speaker 2: kind of a little bit of a push there.
Speaker 14: Yeah, but it's such a dramatic change to the game.
Speaker 14: I mean, I think something like that would have to
Speaker 14: be talking more about over.
Speaker 2: Time, and once again that's a wild idea. He did
Speaker 2: say he's in favor of it. He didn't say it's
Speaker 2: going to be on the agenda, you know, with the
Speaker 2: owners meetings or the competition committing. You're just throwing out
Speaker 2: some things he was talking about. You know, maybe you
Speaker 2: award two free throws if you're fould on a three
Speaker 2: point attempt. But social media said, oh, why don't you
Speaker 2: have your players play every game? Why don't you get
Speaker 2: rid of the three point shot? So this is a
Speaker 2: this is a global sport. I think players coming over
Speaker 2: from all over to play, and that's what they play,
Speaker 2: you know, ten minute quarters, the Olympics ten minute quarters.
Speaker 2: And what he's saying is can I get my guys
Speaker 2: to play more games? Maybe the games are more intense,
Speaker 2: and maybe we don't have load management, and maybe it's
Speaker 2: more of a consumable product that it's two hours in length.
Speaker 2: So they have to think of these things. I mean,
Speaker 2: Rob Manfred came up with the pitch clock. We don't
Speaker 2: even talk about it now. We're fine with it, right,
Speaker 2: Everything's okay, even the kickoff in the NFL as goofy
Speaker 2: as it looks. Okay, we have more returns on kickoffs,
Speaker 2: which is what we wanted here. I mean, this isn't
Speaker 2: outlandish that he's saying, Hey, four ten minute quarters. Well,
Speaker 2: Mike Malone and the Nuggets were at the Garden last
Speaker 2: night against the Knicks, and he slammed this possibility. He
Speaker 2: said before the game that I hope we don't go
Speaker 2: to ten minute quarters. He says, I hope that we
Speaker 2: don't go to a four point line.
Speaker 3: Nobody said anything about that.
Speaker 2: I hope we don't become Barnum and Bailey when we're
Speaker 2: just when we just have to do what we have
Speaker 2: to do to keep viewership. Because there's history and greatness
Speaker 2: in this game, and it's purity in this game. I
Speaker 2: hope we can find a way to stay.
Speaker 3: True to that.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's a big leap by the head coach of
Speaker 2: the Nuggets. I mean, we got to be open minded
Speaker 2: about all of this, and they these coaches should be too.
Speaker 2: Tom Thibodeau, the Knicks head coach, he didn't like it either.
Speaker 2: All the commissioners said. He answered a question about kind
Speaker 2: of the crazy things that come across his desk. He
Speaker 2: didn't say hey, this is going to happen. He didn't
Speaker 2: say that, but the headlines don't matter. And if you
Speaker 2: put it in context of what he's saying, he's saying, hey,
Speaker 2: I'm a fan of this. But he's just one guy.
Speaker 2: Here's the Knicks head coach Tom Thibodeaux.
Speaker 6: I'm probably more traditional, so I'd hate to see that
Speaker 6: just that's just the person. I really haven't thought about it,
Speaker 6: just because of all the records and things of that nature.
Speaker 6: So I think we have a great game. I think
Speaker 6: what people really want to see is competition. So all
Speaker 6: you know the and when you study which transpired, you
Speaker 6: know over time there's always been different styles that play,
Speaker 6: so the sixties, the seventies, eighties, and nineties, but what
Speaker 6: goes into winning is the same. And then I think
Speaker 6: what the fans enjoy is great competition. So I think
Speaker 6: if we focus on the competition aspect of it, that
Speaker 6: everything else will fall into place.
Speaker 2: Okay, we have romanticized the eighties, late eighties and early
Speaker 2: nineties that we were younger and oh man did they play.
Speaker 2: It was physical back then. It wasn't good basketball. First
Speaker 2: team to ninety you won, it was bad. The Knicks
Speaker 2: and the calves bad basketball, physical bad basketball. Even going
Speaker 2: back to the seventies when I was watching, I mean,
Speaker 2: in my mind, god, it was awesome. But if I
Speaker 2: went back and looked at it now and I would
Speaker 2: probably say, yeah, they miss a lot of shots, or
Speaker 2: there's no movement there, there's no athletics. I mean, whatever
Speaker 2: the criticisms would be. But I think you've got to
Speaker 2: be open minded. And what records are we worried about that?
Speaker 2: Coach Tibbs was talking about what records now, if there's
Speaker 2: incentive clauses in your contracts, okay, then maybe we'll have
Speaker 2: to modify those. But I don't think you can look
Speaker 2: if you're a commissioner nowadays, and look, we got more
Speaker 2: offense than we've ever had in the NBA. Why do
Speaker 2: people have a problem with the NBA? You got offense,
Speaker 2: you got guys shooting threes. But what is it that
Speaker 2: people don't like? What league added more offense and we
Speaker 2: go n too much. I don't know, too many threes.
Speaker 2: I don't like it because I've seen basketball be played
Speaker 2: where you can incorporate the three, just not be reliant
Speaker 2: on the three, and that you're seeing people players take
Speaker 2: threes who shouldn't be taking threes. Everybody, not everybody is
Speaker 2: meant to do that. But it'd be like me saying
Speaker 2: to a pitcher, don't throw a hundred. You know what's best.
Speaker 2: If you don't throw a hundred, you may last a
Speaker 2: little longer. Or hey, don't be swinging for home runs.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know how to cap the threes,
Speaker 2: or hey, you only get to swing really hard one time,
Speaker 2: or you can only throw over one hundred and one
Speaker 2: pit like, that's what I mean. Baseball is you throw it,
Speaker 2: you hit it. Now they've tried to add more. They
Speaker 2: got the stolen base back, I mean, they but that's
Speaker 2: because you have to be open minded. Now I'm not
Speaker 2: thrilled about it, but I love that he sh that,
Speaker 2: and then everybody's going to think that it's going to
Speaker 2: somehow be put into law next season. Where all he
Speaker 2: wants to do is get reaction, you gather information. All right,
Speaker 2: maybe we can't do that, but he's thinking about those things,
Speaker 2: and he's also looking at you know, how we consume
Speaker 2: basketball is through social media.
Speaker 3: You're not watching games, but he's not.
Speaker 2: Worried about that as much as are you consuming some
Speaker 2: part of the game and these networks are waiting in
Speaker 2: line to give them billions of dollars. Somebody's making money.
Speaker 2: Somebody's watching this and it's a global sport. But seven
Speaker 2: of the ten best players aren't even from the United States.
Speaker 2: This is a global audience as well, and you may
Speaker 2: not like it, but it might be one of those
Speaker 2: things when it happens you don't even think about when
Speaker 2: it's successful.
Speaker 3: Yes, Marvin, I.
Speaker 13: Think the biggest thing that hurts the the NBA is
Speaker 13: what everyone's thinking load management, where they say, hey, coming up,
Speaker 13: the Lakers played the Suns. I don't know if Lebron
Speaker 13: and Kevin Durant are playing. There was a four year
Speaker 13: stretch where the teams they were on they didn't play
Speaker 13: like either one of them.
Speaker 2: But this might help that, Like, that's what I thought.
Speaker 2: Maybe it helps with load management. If you take off
Speaker 2: the you know, go from forty eight to forty what's
Speaker 2: that going to mean per season for teams? And it's
Speaker 2: probably I think you said fifteen games that you'd be taking.
Speaker 2: You'd still play eighty two games, but the amount of
Speaker 2: time would amount to fifteen games. Maybe you get players
Speaker 2: who will play and maybe there won't be load management.
Speaker 3: Yeah, pulling.
Speaker 4: If you look at the NBA and how became a
Speaker 4: global sport, you remember it's before your time as well.
Speaker 4: The NBA was secondary to college basketball for decades. In
Speaker 4: nineteen fifty one, they made the lane twelve feet it
Speaker 4: used to be six feet.
Speaker 15: Right.
Speaker 4: In nineteen fifty four they added a twenty four second
Speaker 4: shot clock. Would he have been against that at the
Speaker 4: time To speed up the game and add all the scoring,
Speaker 4: they added the three point line after the merger with
Speaker 4: the ABA. All these things happen, and I'm sure in
Speaker 4: the moment your instagraction is don't change anything, but you
Speaker 4: never you never get to the next level without change
Speaker 4: in any sport.
Speaker 2: I would bring back the red, white and blue basketball
Speaker 2: that the ABA had, like if you really want to
Speaker 2: showcate kids would love that, just seeing the rotation going
Speaker 2: through the air. But you know, once again, you got
Speaker 2: coaches like Michael Malone who doesn't want a circus out there. Now,
Speaker 2: it can be a circus in a variety of ways,
Speaker 2: but I think you've got to be open minded to it.
Speaker 2: And that's all the commissioner was saying, Hey, I like
Speaker 2: this idea, but people ran with it as if to say, oh,
Speaker 2: my gosh, that he wants to do this. That's stupid.
Speaker 13: Yes, Marv, I think the only question the players are
Speaker 13: going to have is do we still get paid.
Speaker 2: The same they will, it's still the same number of games.
Speaker 2: This is what's gonna happen, mark my words. The first
Speaker 2: player who gets paid a million dollars a game and
Speaker 2: then sits out a game, the reaction is going to
Speaker 2: be a blow torch because you get paid a million
Speaker 2: dollars to not play. Then it's going to crystallize for people.
Speaker 2: They're gonna have this moment where they go, damn, he's
Speaker 2: getting a million dollars. Now a football player plays seventeen games,
Speaker 2: you add to the playoffs. I don't think anybody's going
Speaker 2: to have a problem if Patrick Mahomes is getting paid
Speaker 2: a million dollars a year to play in that game
Speaker 2: or two million, because they you know, the careers aren't
Speaker 2: long and you're gonna only be playing seventeen eighteen nineteen
Speaker 2: games basketball.
Speaker 3: That's where you get i'd i'd play for free.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, but when shay Gilges Alexander makes eighty two
Speaker 2: million dollars, I want to know that. I watch the
Speaker 2: reaction when he's sitting now. Maybe he doesn't sit out games.
Speaker 2: By the way, I think he had fifty four last night. Yes, ma, relax,
Speaker 2: you only have fifty two fifty two my bad, Yes, Todd.
Speaker 1: But even with the.
Speaker 12: Load management and you buy tickets to a game and
Speaker 12: you don't even know if your top players are going
Speaker 12: to play, and the cost of parking and food and
Speaker 12: jerseys and everything, people are still showing up. It hasn't
Speaker 12: gotten to the point where such a little amount of
Speaker 12: fans to shut up to games where they're losing significant money,
Speaker 12: where the owners are like, we got to lower the price,
Speaker 12: so we got to make sure these guys play more
Speaker 12: because no one's coming anymore. So somehow they're making money
Speaker 12: enough to pay all these players. So these fans are complaining,
Speaker 12: but they're still tuning in. According to him Silver, the
Speaker 12: ratings are about the same this last year, is what
Speaker 12: he was selling.
Speaker 2: Okay, then why would he be suggesting this if there
Speaker 2: wasn't an issue. He's looking towards the future here. If
Speaker 2: everything's great, then don't award two free throws on a
Speaker 2: miss three pointer that you get found. Don't think about
Speaker 2: making it forty minutes. If everything's great, it's like everything's
Speaker 2: great in here. I don't go, you know what, I
Speaker 2: think I need to make a change with the dan Nets.
Speaker 3: Like I'm not.
Speaker 2: It doesn't make any sense. If everything is great, then fine.
Speaker 2: But you have to be forward thinking. If you're a commissioner,
Speaker 2: you have to be because you're I mean, everybody's looking
Speaker 2: for their spot. There's only so much time in a
Speaker 2: day or in a week or a month or a year,
Speaker 2: and the NFL encroaches on everybody. And that's what all
Speaker 2: of these commissioners. You know, you have college football right now,
Speaker 2: the big ten in the SEC and the other commissioners,
Speaker 2: but really it's those two talking to Commissioner Roger Goodell.
Speaker 2: They want to work with the NFL to say, can
Speaker 2: you help us have our standalone national title game? So
Speaker 2: it's not later, it's after the AFC, NFC title game
Speaker 2: or division game. That's what's happening. You have to partner up.
Speaker 2: You have to understand your place on the sports landscape.
Speaker 2: And I think that's all Adam Silver did. He's just looking,
Speaker 2: what do we do? How do we do it? When
Speaker 2: do we do it? Do we do anything? Do we
Speaker 2: raise the basket? Do we lower the basket? I mean
Speaker 2: not lower the bat. Do we widen the floor? Like
Speaker 2: guys are so big. If you watch a game in person,
Speaker 2: you're like, how does everybody fit on the offense or
Speaker 2: defensive side of the ball, Like there's not enough room.
Speaker 2: I think you can get in the corner. I don't
Speaker 2: even know. Like some guys probably can't even shoot threes
Speaker 2: in there because it can't get their feet in bounds.
Speaker 13: Yes, Marvin, unrelated, but kind of related. NBA players are enormous.
Speaker 13: AJ Brown was at the at the Lakers game. He
Speaker 13: looked like a little person next to Lebron, like or
Speaker 13: Tyrese Maxson, Steph Curry and Miles Garrett are the same height. Like,
Speaker 13: these guys are enormous humans. And now you want to
Speaker 13: have him sit in the corner? Were their feet barely touched?
Speaker 2: I saw Connor McGregor with Brook Lopez. Size of them
Speaker 2: up now, I mean Connor McGregor, you could rest a
Speaker 2: drink on his head. But still you saw, boy, that
Speaker 2: guy he's the baddest man. And then you know you're
Speaker 2: around him and you go, oh, dang, you're like five eight.
Speaker 2: Here's Brook Lopez seven feet tall, staring down. It was
Speaker 2: funny video all right, let me take a break.
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Speaker 8: Yes, Stan, So the question was, without knowing what would
Speaker 8: happen in the future, would you've traded Alex Smith after
Speaker 8: the twenty seventeen season?
Speaker 7: Sixty five percent say no.
Speaker 2: All right, all right, Yeah, a little surprised with that.
Speaker 12: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he had a good year, he did, but you know,
Speaker 2: they went nine and nine and six. He went nine
Speaker 2: and six.
Speaker 8: It was their worst record of like their previous four seasons,
Speaker 8: but his best statistically.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because he had won eleven games three times in
Speaker 2: his career in Kansas City. But that was seven years
Speaker 2: ago today that he was traded. We were in Minneapolis
Speaker 2: that that morning. All right, a couple more phone calls
Speaker 2: in here Andrew and Washington. Hi Andrew, what's on your
Speaker 2: mind today?
Speaker 15: Good morning, Dan Dannitz, Thanks for taking my call. I
Speaker 15: want to give a shout out to Dylan. Dylan, You're
Speaker 15: doing a great job. Just remember it is thank you Todd,
Speaker 15: not Todd.
Speaker 6: Thank you.
Speaker 15: Anyways, the forty minute NBA game sounds really good to me.
Speaker 15: I actually think it'll work out great. Yes, the rotations
Speaker 15: will be different, but Mike Malone just made a reference
Speaker 15: to something that none of us think would be great,
Speaker 15: the four point line, to make it look hokey. But
Speaker 15: I think that it'll be good for the NBA. Just
Speaker 15: like Polly said, all those other things that were put
Speaker 15: in place, we don't look back on them. And TIBs,
Speaker 15: what record are you really worried about? So I wish
Speaker 15: somebody would have followed up to that question. To get
Speaker 15: ready for the Super Bowl. I do have a quick
Speaker 15: trivia question for the room. So there's only been one
Speaker 15: thousand yard rusher for the last ten Super Bowl winners.
Speaker 15: Can anybody name who that running back was?
Speaker 3: Super Bowl winning team had a thousand yard rusher?
Speaker 15: Only one of them over the last ten years?
Speaker 2: All right, anybody want to offer a guess? One thousand
Speaker 2: yard rusher and the last ten Super Bowl winners Crickets? Crickets?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Paul, was it the Eagles?
Speaker 15: Oh here's a clue. Dan needed a clarification about this
Speaker 15: guy's last name on last week's DP Tech a Gamble podcast.
Speaker 3: Needed a clarification.
Speaker 7: You remember, Marv, So it's not Christian Akoye.
Speaker 3: No, they didn't win the Super Bowl.
Speaker 4: My guess was going to be Jay a jockey, which
Speaker 4: is a tough last name.
Speaker 12: No.
Speaker 15: Actually, there was a little clarification on certain products and
Speaker 15: the thousand yard rusher was for the twenty sixteenth Patriots
Speaker 15: carrot blunt.
Speaker 3: Oh all righty, I didn't know.
Speaker 2: You didn't know I needed a pronouncer on that or Clarificationdayanaday.
Speaker 3: Standard today. Thank you, Andrew. I think I was.
Speaker 2: I needed a blunt and a joint. I think that
Speaker 2: was the reference that came up on the gambling podcast.
Speaker 13: You wanted to know the difference.
Speaker 2: Yes, because I didn't know the difference between a blunt
Speaker 2: and a joint.
Speaker 4: Yes, Paul Lagarrett has to have a side business. Lagarrett's
Speaker 4: blunts his hometown.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would think.
Speaker 7: Yeah, but even he spelled Blount.
Speaker 3: Yeah b l o u n T.
Speaker 7: Blount.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's a Lagarrett blunt. What is the difference
Speaker 2: between a joint and a blunt?
Speaker 8: Dylan blunts a cigar wrapper versus like a rolling paper. Okay,
Speaker 8: so just take the guts out of a cigar.
Speaker 3: So that'd be like what Snoop would smoke. He smokes blunts.
Speaker 8: I don't think he discriminates too much, but yeah, he's
Speaker 8: probably taken down a few blunts.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and where does a spliff fit in here?
Speaker 7: That's weed and tobacco in the same vessel.
Speaker 6: Is it?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Dang, we haven't missed a beat with seat out of
Speaker 2: here because he would be the one I'd be asking
Speaker 2: those questions too, just doing my job, Dan, Thank you, Dylan,
Speaker 2: Thank you. Gambling Podcast after the show, we'll have Shyan
Speaker 2: Irving Sammy p is back who said that the Chiefs
Speaker 2: were going to win the Super Bowl the start of
Speaker 2: the year with his Predictiontsy Yeah, bad, Larry, Yeah, I
Speaker 2: think he had the Eagles though the NFC and that was,
Speaker 2: you know, looking back, that was a gutsy call, so bad, Larry, Shaye,
Speaker 2: Irving Dylan will have the Gambling Podcast available at Dan
Speaker 2: patrick dot com. You can also go there and follow
Speaker 2: along where Seaton is on the road. We'll hear from
Speaker 2: him coming up. Also, I make the case that will
Speaker 2: never have anybody other than a quarterback win an MVP.
Speaker 3: In my lifetime.
Speaker 2: I'll talk about that coming up hour two with Fritzie Dylan,
Speaker 2: Marv Pauley yours truly We're back after this