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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, Welcome to Creature Feature, the show where we

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Speaker 1: explore the consciousness of humans and animals and get all

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Speaker 1: scrambled up like Jeff Goldbloom in The Fly. I'm Katie Golden.

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Speaker 1: I studied psychology and evolutionary biology at Harvard, and I

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Speaker 1: fight for avian rights on Twitter. Today on the show,

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Speaker 1: we're exploring the Seven Deadly Sins. A theme of this

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Speaker 1: show has been the differences between humans and the rest

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Speaker 1: of the animal kingdom, and what could be more human

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Speaker 1: than our faults are pride, wrath, sloth, greed, lust, envy,

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Speaker 1: and gluttony. But let the species who is without sin

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Speaker 1: cast the first stone. The animal world is guilty of

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Speaker 1: these transgressions in ways that you might not expect. I

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Speaker 1: also want to discuss the science behind these so called

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Speaker 1: human sins in texts that may not be holy but

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Speaker 1: are certainly pure view. Joining me today is Katie Stole, actor,

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Speaker 1: co host of Even More News, producer of Some More

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Speaker 1: News and overall great gal. Hi, this is what I

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Speaker 1: can talk now. I'm happy to be here. You got

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Speaker 1: all my things right, You got my name right. People

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Speaker 1: might think we have the same name, but we don't. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's a subtle pronunciation difference. So her name is kat Y,

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Speaker 1: mine is ka t i E. So yours is like

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Speaker 1: a Katie Katie and minds Katie. Well, I just take

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Speaker 1: some personality into it, and we put some extra inflection

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Speaker 1: in there, and you really start to see a subtle

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Speaker 1: difference come out between two different spellings. What's your short

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Speaker 1: for Katherine? Minds Kathleen? See, wow, big difference. We're night

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Speaker 1: and day. I'm thrilled that my parents didn't go with

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Speaker 1: Kathy or like Karen. Well, Karen's not short for what

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Speaker 1: would karen b short water? I think that's just itself.

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Speaker 1: I'm really sorry everyone named Karen or Karen, Karen, Karen Essica,

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Speaker 1: Karen Essica. I'm sorry for all the Karen's. We're just

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Speaker 1: dismissing your We're being really mean, Like your name is

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Speaker 1: something you're born with, but with apology, I mean, can

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Speaker 1: change it. But like I apologize in advance to every

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Speaker 1: care and out there. But Karen is a name I

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Speaker 1: associate with like a coworker that doesn't have a sense

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Speaker 1: of humor, sort of like it's the same as like

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Speaker 1: a dinnis Well, it's a punchline name, right, And I'm

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Speaker 1: really Sorcaren Dennis Dennis, Karen, Yeah, you came to casual

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Speaker 1: Friday wearing non casual clothes. How dare you? She karend it,

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Speaker 1: she carried it. Honestly, Kathy kind of has that same connotation.

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Speaker 1: So thanks Mom and dadd Well Kathy, and I'm sorry

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Speaker 1: to all the Kathy's out there. I do share a

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Speaker 1: name with you. It's not your fault. This is it's

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Speaker 1: not really kind of unfair that you get that bad

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Speaker 1: rap just because you're a character. Kathy, Kathy. I think

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Speaker 1: you can blame on that cartoon and AC. Yeah, AC,

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Speaker 1: the one where it's a middle aged woman going through

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Speaker 1: life struggles and it's always like, oh, no, I gained

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Speaker 1: a weight. No, I want to eat something. But I'm

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Speaker 1: a woman and I'm not frizzy. I can't boys, I

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Speaker 1: can't boys at all. Listen, Kathy, Kathy, Kathy, You're on

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Speaker 1: a very familiar basis with the comic stars. When we

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Speaker 1: get each other, you see, I relate. So let's first

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Speaker 1: talk about pride. This may be one of the biggest

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Speaker 1: criticisms launched at millennial in youth culture right now, that

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Speaker 1: we're all a bunch of self obsessed egoists. Generally speaking,

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Speaker 1: I'm tired of people being criticized for their makeup and

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Speaker 1: fashion choices. If you don't want to wear makeup, rock on,

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Speaker 1: but also wear sunscreen. I think adorning ourselves is, as

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Speaker 1: we'll soon discuss, a very natural and perfectly healthy behavior.

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Speaker 1: But there is a trend I'm genuinely concerned about. It's

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Speaker 1: Instagram perfection. It's a subsection of Instagram devoted to carefully

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Speaker 1: cultivated looks of being perfect, with flawless skin, cellulite free bodies,

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Speaker 1: impossibly slender torsos are perfectly circular butts often achieved with

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Speaker 1: photoshop face tune or careful photographed angles. The insidious thing

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Speaker 1: about instagrams, say, compared to advertisement, is that it's often

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Speaker 1: carefully crafted to seem candid. Sometimes models or celebrities will

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Speaker 1: post no makeup selfies though they're still apparently wearing eyelash extensions,

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Speaker 1: photo filters, and foundation. I'm worried this will give young

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Speaker 1: people unrealistic expectations that they're supposed to look naturally flawless.

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Speaker 1: So I looked into the research. There's a Flanders University

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Speaker 1: study that examined the effects of viewing Instagram selfies on

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Speaker 1: body image. The researchers found that when participants viewed the

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Speaker 1: Instagram profiles of celebrities and fears, they experienced increased body

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Speaker 1: dissatisfaction and a more negative mood. This only work when

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Speaker 1: viewing selfies, there is no such effect, and doing travel images. Also,

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Speaker 1: there wasn't a significant difference in effect when viewing celebrities

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Speaker 1: versus peers. This sounds pretty dystopian, and I'm sure there

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Speaker 1: even the generation before that. Actually, I think body images

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Speaker 1: deeply entrenched in our evolutionary history. In fact, even animals

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Speaker 1: join me on an imagination journey, I'm ready for um.

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Speaker 1: Imagine if like the fashion police were real, so if

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Speaker 1: you didn't dress yourself well enough, like they would arrest

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Speaker 1: you or even kill you. So like, like it just

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Speaker 1: totally dystopia, dystopian, horriful, horful, horrible, horrorful. Um. And so

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Speaker 1: like if you or socks with sandals, which I'll admit

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Speaker 1: is not a good look, not a good look, but comfortable. Sure,

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Speaker 1: I've certainly there have certainly been times when I wanted

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Speaker 1: for failure, right, But like with your birkenstocks for socks, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I've warned my socks with my broken stalk. I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's that's perfectly fine to me. But you know, in

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Speaker 1: this society, like if you did that, you would be

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Speaker 1: just summarily execute I should in this in the fantasy society,

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Speaker 1: not the current one, I would be ostracized perhaps, right right,

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Speaker 1: but you know, like we're we're projecting maybe five or

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Speaker 1: ten years in the future where this will be the reality. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so I need to prepare for it, right right. And

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Speaker 1: like if you mix silver and gold jewelry, you're sent

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Speaker 1: why we don't mix silver and gold jewelers. So you're

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Speaker 1: supposed to wear jewelry that matches your skin undertone, and

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Speaker 1: apparently you have like a cool undertone or a warm undertone,

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Speaker 1: and like silver goes well with cool undertones and as

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Speaker 1: you're gonna look whack. No one's gonna ever love you. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's just gonna you'll have failed as. They can't sl

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Speaker 1: it out, you cancel each other out. All you see

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to say the lyrics to the song.

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Speaker 1: that song. It's not it wouldn't go well, but because

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Speaker 1: of a certain powerful group that out there. You guys

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Speaker 1: Let that be stuck in your head. Singing sea creatures.

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Speaker 1: Just imagine generic off brands singing anyways. Decorator crabs adorn

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Speaker 1: themselves with decadent jewelry found in their environment. Yeah, so

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Speaker 1: little bits of help or seaweed and even beautiful living

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Speaker 1: these invertebrates that kind of like like eyelashy, flowery things,

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Speaker 1: creepy pretty. I think they're creepy pretty. I I have

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Speaker 1: a prejudice against things under the sea. They scare me.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but I'm I'm sure it's beautiful. Do you

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Speaker 1: if I went in the ocean when well, she's half correct.

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Speaker 1: I'm afraid of swimming in the ocean, but I'm not

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Speaker 1: like afraid of the animals I am specifically, Uh, get

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Speaker 1: here to talk about prides are so cute. These are

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Speaker 1: fancy crowd. I'm just going to picture them in in

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Speaker 1: the animated way, right, and a generically animated generically specific

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Speaker 1: so uh, it's really they put on a really bold look.

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Speaker 1: Like if you look at these decorator crabs, they're very

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Speaker 1: create this natural camouflage. And in fact, you can put

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Speaker 1: one of these crabs in a fish tank and if

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Speaker 1: the jewel That's real cute. It's super cute. So we

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Speaker 1: absolutely incredible seeing them decorating themselves. But they are horrifying,

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Speaker 1: and I kind of understand why they want to decorate it.

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Speaker 1: They don't have a great like baseline to work with.

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Speaker 1: Try and they've got like a real kind of milky

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Speaker 1: like sort of fuzzy is because they have these little

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Speaker 1: very funny seeing these crabs with their jewelry dragging behind.

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Speaker 1: They scrape along the bottom of the ocean floor. Were

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Speaker 1: they're working. So this isn't just found underwater. Assassin bugs

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Speaker 1: will wear their dead prey as trophies. They wear their

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Speaker 1: all dead ants, dead ants. A pile of dead aunt,

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Speaker 1: big pile of dead ants. As a backpack and what

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Speaker 1: was this guy called again? Assassin It's not even more specific,

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Speaker 1: it's just a generic assassin bug. Right. I feel like

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Speaker 1: it starts out strong with the assassin part of this name,

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Speaker 1: where it's like, Okay, this is threatening, and then bug, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it gives me no clue is to look kind of bug.

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Speaker 1: It'd be like, I mean a killer bug. I mean

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Speaker 1: It's just like bug does seem really just right, but

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Speaker 1: or Karen like Astis or karenin Um. So they're found

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Speaker 1: any type of prey that they find, because they researchers

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Speaker 1: think that this is that spiders, who are potential predators

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Speaker 1: thing sit there for about half an hour, it's not great.

421
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:37,439
Speaker 1: That's what I mean. Like you've ruined it for yourself

422
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:40,080
Speaker 1: as well. Yeah, because there's something it's funny because like

423
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,960
Speaker 1: when you swallow your own spit happens all the time.

424
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:44,480
Speaker 1: It's in your mouth. I just did it. It's in

425
00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:47,399
Speaker 1: your dang mouth. I'm doing it all the time. Happens

426
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:50,000
Speaker 1: all the time on this podcast. But if you spit

427
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:54,639
Speaker 1: in a cup and then you try to drink it, suggestion, Katie,

428
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:56,920
Speaker 1: how dare you know? I know? But it's like it's

429
00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 1: like once it's outside your body, once it's on that cupcake,

430
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:02,159
Speaker 1: you're like, I got a spit cupcake That's how I

431
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 1: learned to not be a wolverine was by my gross spit, Cupcake. That, yeah,

432
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 1: that's the thing you had outgrow. I spied myself with

433
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,480
Speaker 1: my own spittle. It's a lesson that you learn that

434
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:14,399
Speaker 1: you taught yourself that spite spit came back to bite

435
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 1: in the butt. But those Yeah, so wolverines are the

436
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 1: douchy fratbros of nature. They're a large, aggressive member of

437
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 1: the weasel family. Actually, I did not know that. They're

438
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:32,160
Speaker 1: carnivores about the size of a medium dog, and they're

439
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 1: on the top of their food chains, so they're not

440
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 1: typically subject to predators and they're extremely aggressive and ferocious. Uh.

441
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 1: Some of their other names are the skunk bear. Uh. Yeah,

442
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:50,680
Speaker 1: so they like to excrete musk. From here we go less,

443
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 1: there's those anial glands. Again. Their scientific name is golo golo,

444
00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 1: which is glutton glutton and Latin gala. Yeah. That's cute. Yeah,

445
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 1: like like they're like, no, this is so gluttonous. It's gluttonous. Yeah,

446
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:14,399
Speaker 1: it's double gluttonous, double mint wolverine, double mint wolverine. Yeah, wolverine. Yea,

447
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,920
Speaker 1: in my mind, it's a fake animal, but it's no

448
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,680
Speaker 1: it's not. It's so it's not just a man with

449
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 1: metal fingers metal sorry, between finger blades. It's an actual animal.

450
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,360
Speaker 1: It's an actual animal, not half man half wolf. Yeah,

451
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 1: it's in Romanian. Their name means gluttonous badger. So as

452
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 1: I'm guessing they eat a lot. Yeah, so after they've

453
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,200
Speaker 1: eaten as much of a carcass as they can possibly

454
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:44,399
Speaker 1: gorge upon, they like to pee all over the remnants. Yeah,

455
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 1: and it's not actually urine, but like anal gland juices

456
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:51,680
Speaker 1: got a lot of it. Yeah, we got a lot

457
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 1: of butt juices in the sth it's probably because of

458
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 1: their diet. Yeah, it's it's a butt juice heavy episode.

459
00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:01,480
Speaker 1: He can they eat it after they've juiced it or no?

460
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 1: No one nobody can. It seems stupid and it's not.

461
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 1: And like researchers where like are you marking your territory

462
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 1: and no, no, it's independent of marking territory. It doesn't

463
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,359
Speaker 1: seem to have anything to do with being I just

464
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:17,639
Speaker 1: don't want anybody else this because like the wolverines really

465
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 1: come back to pick over the leftovers, so it's full. Yeah,

466
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 1: it's just to prevent their competition from eating it. Because

467
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 1: these this like weird, but p will spoil the and

468
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,120
Speaker 1: they don't even really have competition, so it's just like,

469
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 1: well they have they have like competition with other wolverines,

470
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 1: with other wolverines and like other other predators that will

471
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 1: be looking for the same prey animals. So even though

472
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 1: they are they not hattened personally, they do have hatred

473
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:53,640
Speaker 1: in their hearts for other people, other animals. Sorry, they're

474
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 1: not people. They're not they're not people, but they kind

475
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 1: of act like some people, and you know, people like yeah, yeah.

476
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 1: At the school I went to, there was like the

477
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:06,639
Speaker 1: statue that everyone would, like tourists would always clamber around

478
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:08,879
Speaker 1: because it was like, oh, this school statue of this

479
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 1: famous dude, and uh there's this tradition where you would

480
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 1: pee on the statue. Um just just kind of like

481
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 1: as a little a little screw you to all the

482
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:23,440
Speaker 1: innocent kids that were closing with the statue. Have you

483
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 1: ever pete on that statue? I'm a good girl. Also,

484
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 1: I feel like it'd be easier for a guy. It

485
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:32,639
Speaker 1: would be easier for a guy unless you it's a

486
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 1: summer day and you've got a skirt one you get

487
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 1: one of those piss funnels you know you could, you could, yeah,

488
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 1: I don't know why you would. But the sheep, he's yeah,

489
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 1: the sheep. Yeah. Where it's like it's one of those

490
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 1: funnel plastic funnels that like they're like when you're going hiking,

491
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 1: you know. But here's the thing. You know what I'm

492
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 1: not going to carry around, you know, I think it's

493
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 1: getting covered in peat and then carry it home. You

494
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 1: know what else is just as easy finding a bush

495
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 1: and squad Yeah yeah, I mean, like you work your

496
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 1: core a little bit, but it's not that hard, no

497
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 1: bonus points. You can grab onto a tree and just like,

498
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 1: you know, secure yourself that. I would rather do that

499
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 1: than like carry around a gross pisne. This is probably

500
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 1: saying too much, but I genuinely like paying in the

501
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 1: middle of nowhere. I think that's I don't think that's

502
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 1: tim I think everyone should. In Iceland last year and

503
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 1: there's just a lot of stretches with nothing but the

504
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 1: most beautiful landscape and Iceland, I pete all over you.

505
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 1: It was wonderful, you claimed Iceland. Now no one can

506
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 1: go there. Well, it's yours, it's your continent. You all

507
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 1: owe me something, right every time you visit. No one

508
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 1: else can visit Iceland anymore. You've ruined it for everyone,

509
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 1: or I've made it better. I don't know. I mean, yeah,

510
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 1: I guess that's maybe wolverines think they're like seasoning the food.

511
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 1: Maybe like they're so arrogant that they're like this, they're

512
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 1: gonna like some of my pe on this food. To

513
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 1: be fair, I didn't pay on anything anone was about

514
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 1: to eat. But right right, you know, I hear you. Well,

515
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 1: if you peeed all over Iceland, though, isn't there food

516
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 1: in Iceland? Yeah? I mean there is. I mean you're

517
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 1: taking me very literally all over, I mean, yes, all

518
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 1: over right, Like no, so I see it's more like

519
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 1: geo cash in your It's like every two miles, right, Okay,

520
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 1: that's a reasonable amount. I think of urine to deposit

521
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 1: on ice too much. No, it's all right, that's how.

522
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 1: That's totally healthy. And I mean, honestly, Iceland sounds like

523
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 1: it's made mostly out of water. I can't gonna notice. Yeah, yeah,

524
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 1: I don't notice the difference is probably anyway. I bet

525
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 1: people have p before me people. Yeah, I mean, geologists

526
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 1: may disagree with me, but I bet the world's like

527
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 1: nine dinosaur p at this point. It's gotta be. I'll

528
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 1: take you at that dinosaur p and poops. Yeah, gotta

529
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 1: be gotta be. That's that is. I'm going to pin

530
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 1: my brand on that statement. I die on that hill.

531
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 1: Please don't die. So a human wolverine, unfortunately not. Hugh

532
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 1: Jackman tried a similar tactic when he was romantically rejected

533
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 1: by a woman. The worst fate that could befall any

534
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 1: living creature, apparently, so a Minnesota man. This time, it's

535
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 1: not Florida man. Okay, well that's something. Allegedly, he peed

536
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 1: in the water bottle of his coworker after she had

537
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 1: turned down his advances, and she said she only wanted

538
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 1: to remain friends. How absolutely dare she? He may have

539
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 1: peed in her water bottle up to fifteen times. That's absurd,

540
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 1: That is ridiculous. Even wait, sold different days, Yeah, different days,

541
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 1: or he didn't have very much pee and has a

542
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 1: prostate problem, keep going back. Yeah, I don't know. I

543
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 1: think it was different days. But also like either he

544
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 1: had really good aim or like a really small around,

545
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 1: like like how do you just consistently in a water bottle?

546
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 1: You get your water bottle pet in fifteen times? And

547
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 1: she did like he was caught because she was like

548
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 1: this water tastes sort of like rejected man baby pea. Yeah,

549
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 1: um like greg. So he was arrested and he denied

550
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 1: doing it until the police were like, you know, we

551
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 1: can test for DNA, and when you pee in a bottle,

552
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 1: that's a lot of DNA. And then after that he

553
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 1: was like, oh, yeah, maybe I did it once or

554
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 1: twice or fifteen times. Wow wow. Yeah. I mean, there's

555
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 1: a lot of ways to respond to being rejected. There's

556
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 1: one good way, which is like, oh, I'm sorry to

557
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:46,479
Speaker 1: hear that, but I respect your opinion, right, Or there's

558
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 1: this way. So we're going to take a quick break

559
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 1: during which I am definitely not going to pee in

560
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 1: someone's water bottle. What do you mean that's an oddly

561
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 1: specific thing for me to say. Anyways, we'll be right back, Okay,

562
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 1: art in my water, So onto our next sin sloth.

563
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 1: I know you think our candidate here is well going

564
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 1: to be the sloth, but honestly, I think they have

565
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 1: an undeserved reputation. Part of the reason they remain motionless

566
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 1: is their diet is made up of leaves that are

567
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 1: extremely difficult to digest, so their metabolism is very slow.

568
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 1: In fact, their metabolism is so slow they only poop

569
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 1: once a week, which is a treacherous journey down to

570
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 1: the bottom of the tree. If they were truly lazy,

571
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 1: why wouldn't they just poop from up on their tree branch?

572
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 1: University of Wisconsin ecologist Jonathan Paully says, it's like if

573
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 1: you had to go run a five k on an

574
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 1: interstate before you could go to the bathroom. Traveling down

575
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 1: to the base of the tree to poop is a

576
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 1: brave risk, But why do they do it? First, you

577
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 1: need to know that sloths host a ton of little

578
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 1: floora and fauna in their fur, algae and moths among them.

579
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:09,320
Speaker 1: These aren't just freeloaders. The green algae, especially, which provides

580
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 1: extra nutrients to the sloth it's absorbed through the skin,

581
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 1: and moths provide nutrition for the algae to grow, both

582
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 1: in waste matter from the moths diet and the decaying

583
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 1: of dead moths. The moths that hit your ride on

584
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 1: the sloths also lay their eggs in sloth poop. The

585
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 1: larva eats the poop, and when the slavs descend to

586
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 1: make more poopoos, the newly hatched moth larva can hit

587
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 1: your ride on the sloth, but uber back up the tree.

588
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 1: So moths lay their eggs in sloth poopies. Sloths descend

589
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 1: to the base of the tree to make more poopies.

590
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 1: The sloth larva and the sloth poopoos crawl onto the sloth.

591
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,360
Speaker 1: Nutrients from the moths be the green algae growing on

592
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,320
Speaker 1: the fur of the sloth. The sloth absorbs the nutrients

593
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:55,359
Speaker 1: from the green algae. The healthy sloth lives to make

594
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 1: more poopies, more moths, more algae, and that's the circle

595
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 1: of life. But we're talking about sinners here, not beautiful coexistence.

596
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 1: To do that, we're going to take a look at

597
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 1: one of the most horrifying parasites in the natural world.

598
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 1: So Katie, yes, time to imagine again. Here we go.

599
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 1: Imagine that one of your body parts got taken over

600
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 1: by a parasite. Okay, So, like I trying to think of,

601
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 1: like what would be the worst body part because like

602
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:27,479
Speaker 1: if it was a hand, like in Doctor's Strange Love,

603
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 1: like it would always be flopped around thing, I wouldn't

604
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,400
Speaker 1: love that it's very visible. But I do have another hand,

605
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 1: that's true. So there's that you could like tie down

606
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,400
Speaker 1: that hand and then use your non parasite hands. I

607
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 1: mean what yeah, yeah, but if you had both parasites

608
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 1: in both hands, that'd be that'd be a problem because

609
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 1: then it'll be like grabbing things and poking people. And

610
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:54,359
Speaker 1: so the parasite makes my hand do whatever it wants. Yeah,

611
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 1: whatever the parasite wants. Um And like if it was

612
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,359
Speaker 1: your feet and your legs, that bad, real bad, becau

613
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 1: isn't it like walk you over to do weird parasites?

614
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,360
Speaker 1: And if yeah, the parasites leading me off to do

615
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 1: parasites stuff, I don't have anything to do with that.

616
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 1: I mean, that's kind of like what nematodes do to crickets. So,

617
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 1: like nematodes that infect crickets make them go crazy, and

618
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:17,839
Speaker 1: the crickets jump in pools the water, so the nematodes

619
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:19,919
Speaker 1: can go have gross sex in the water and make

620
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 1: more nematodes. Wow, yeah, it's super nasty. So how do

621
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 1: they do that? Though? They in fact the crickets and

622
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:29,879
Speaker 1: then they uh, it's like it messes with the cricket's brain.

623
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:35,360
Speaker 1: Sounds like some Hogwarts magic ship. But like if a

624
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 1: parasite infected your eyes. That would suck because then it

625
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:40,760
Speaker 1: would just look at whatever could look at gross butts

626
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,879
Speaker 1: all day and you'd have no choice. So that's what Okay, Yeah,

627
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:45,360
Speaker 1: I don't want any of this. I don't know what

628
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 1: would be the worst part, right, but I think for me,

629
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 1: the grossest body part would be the tongue. Oh yeah,

630
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 1: now that you put that in my head. I mean

631
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 1: I was going to some other places, but tongue is yeah, yeah,

632
00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: because it's like so intimate. It's like in your mouth,

633
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 1: in your well. I got bad news for fish. I know.

634
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:08,280
Speaker 1: I'm so glad I'm not a fish. So there's anice

635
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 1: a pod called Simotha exigua, or what is more commonly

636
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:16,800
Speaker 1: known as the tongue eating mouse. It has a pretty

637
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 1: self explanatory name. It's found in many parts of the ocean,

638
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 1: even off the coast of California, and it likes to

639
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:29,360
Speaker 1: latch onto a fish's tongue and start systematically sucking the

640
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:33,280
Speaker 1: blood and using like these creepy little claws in front

641
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 1: that just like scrapes tongue and then just scoops that

642
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 1: blood right into the little paths mouth. Yeah, and sweet

643
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 1: kill fish and eat fish is there a chance of

644
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 1: that parasite getting into us. Well, it's not going to

645
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 1: attack you because it's very specialized. Yeah, you're not a fish.

646
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 1: It's very highly specialized. In fact, it only attacks certain

647
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:55,800
Speaker 1: species of fish. But like, yeah, fishermen have cotfish and

648
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 1: they found the little house in the fish's mouth. Yeah,

649
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 1: so the fish is atrophies due to blood loss because

650
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 1: the the little tongue eating louse has been working away

651
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 1: at it in the tongue minds. But it's not done

652
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 1: with this poor fish. Now it attaches itself to the

653
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:18,919
Speaker 1: tongue stumps, muscles and becomes the fishes nude tongue. Oh no,

654
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 1: it doesn't. It does. Indeed, it's the only known parasite

655
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:27,319
Speaker 1: to replace an entire body part. They've got small little

656
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 1: body part, small little tongue. Yeah, I guess so. But

657
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 1: like it's still very impressive. I'm not trying to belittle them.

658
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 1: I mean it sounds a little bit like you are.

659
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 1: I just was being realistic because I was pretty it

660
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 1: was I was imagining my tongue and that's not realistic.

661
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 1: That's not the right size. Some of these fish can be.

662
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 1: You know, you hold in your hands, it could be

663
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 1: like a little bit bigger, not a human size tongue.

664
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:55,360
Speaker 1: It's like a pinky finger. You think that maybe it

665
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 1: becomes the tongue so it can steal food out of

666
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:01,840
Speaker 1: the fish's mouth, but no, actually it's eaten the fish's tongues.

667
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 1: So the fish would normally just die because it's like,

668
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:06,839
Speaker 1: I don't have a target, I can't eat any more.

669
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:11,800
Speaker 1: I have a poor fish. But like, if the tongue

670
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 1: eating louse wants to reproduce, it needs to keep that

671
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 1: fish alive a little longer. So by becoming the tongue,

672
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 1: it helps the fish continue to eat because it's going

673
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 1: to use the fish as a motel six gross mating area.

674
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:28,360
Speaker 1: This is so evil, Yes, it's very evil. So male

675
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:32,839
Speaker 1: tongue eating louse will attach themselves to the gills of

676
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 1: the fish, and when the female is mature, they'll swim

677
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 1: up inside the fish and mate with her in the

678
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:43,839
Speaker 1: fish's mouth. You yeah, ill, yeah, they're all in on it.

679
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 1: But it's just the men that do the scraping. No,

680
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:49,760
Speaker 1: it's just the females that do the scrape. Females attached

681
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 1: to the tongue, they're the ones that that sacked the blood.

682
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,800
Speaker 1: Uh and she'll give birth to a brood of live

683
00:39:55,920 --> 00:40:00,040
Speaker 1: male tongue eating louses and they'll swim off to and

684
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 1: a new host. Uh. And then she abandons ship or

685
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 1: fish and it's just left tongue less and to die

686
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 1: after all this horrible sex has happened inside of its body.

687
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,839
Speaker 1: It's a real violation, and that's right of that fish's life,

688
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 1: spite of its space. Yeah, but I bet you're wondering, like,

689
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 1: how does this species continue if it only gives birth

690
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 1: to males. Yes, I was thinking that it is a

691
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:27,239
Speaker 1: good question that I just said that you asked. So

692
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 1: they're actually hermaphroditic, And so when males attached to the

693
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:35,359
Speaker 1: gills of a victim fish, if they sense that there's

694
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 1: no female, they're one of them is going to become

695
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 1: a female and swim up that fish and attach itself

696
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 1: to the tongue so the beautiful cycle can begin a

697
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:48,800
Speaker 1: new that's wild. Yeah. See, I'm standing by my earlier

698
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 1: thing about fearful of the stuff below the water. Yeah,

699
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 1: but I mean it's only going to happen if you're

700
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:56,799
Speaker 1: a fish, and actually just a specific kind of know

701
00:40:56,880 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 1: what's happening. The ones that replace the whole tongue attacks.

702
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 1: They're called rose snappers. They're off the coast of Mexico,

703
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:07,879
Speaker 1: and those are the only ones that replaced the whole tongue.

704
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 1: But there are there are other like tongue eating louses. Yeah,

705
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 1: some of them attack clownfish and yeah, they're they're all

706
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 1: gross looking. Great, Yeah, good to know. Yeah, I'm afraid

707
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 1: of getting a fish and finding that like in the

708
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 1: in the fish like you've ordered fish to eat. Yeah,

709
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 1: because I mean, I guess because I know about it,

710
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 1: and knowledge is power. All at least know what it is.

711
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:33,720
Speaker 1: It's ignorance is bliss. But can you imagine not knowing

712
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 1: and you're just this fish's tongue has eyes like you know,

713
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:39,360
Speaker 1: an alien? Like you ever eat a fish with the

714
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:44,319
Speaker 1: head and would you eat that? Okay, Katie, I mean

715
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 1: if you can't look a dead fish in the eye

716
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 1: and eat its cheekbone, muscles, then you know you're right.

717
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 1: I'm never gonna eat a fish again. It's funny because

718
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 1: she's a vegetarian. I do sometimes eat fish. You're a piscitarian.

719
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 1: I've recently tried it. Then it's hard for me. I

720
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 1: still think about and about the grossness of the meat.

721
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 1: I understand that. I actually have a couple of my

722
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:10,279
Speaker 1: friends for vegetarians. It's the same thing where it's like

723
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 1: they would be okay with maybe eating some meat sometimes,

724
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 1: but they can't actually deal with the texture of it well.

725
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:20,880
Speaker 1: And I understand that because I can't deal with shrimp

726
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 1: texture really well because like to me, it tastes like

727
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 1: a mean, gross marine bug, and I am, well, that's

728
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:30,479
Speaker 1: what it is. Yeah. And actually, so like these these

729
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 1: tongue eating louses, they're they're isopods, and that's related to

730
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:37,240
Speaker 1: um pillbugs, you know, or I don't know, really pulling.

731
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 1: Some people call them um I call them both. Yeah. Yeah,

732
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:42,759
Speaker 1: those little ones like you poke them and they roll

733
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,400
Speaker 1: up in a ball. It's pretty cute. They're like little

734
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 1: insect head. So that's what these parasites look like. Similar

735
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 1: but a lot grosser. There. Youre white, they're bigger, but

736
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 1: they roll up like that. They have that they don't

737
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:58,240
Speaker 1: roll up, but they do have that sort of like bendy.

738
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 1: I can picture them being tongue yeah, yeah, yeah, you

739
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:05,879
Speaker 1: can yuck. Yuck. Thank you. Try not to imagine that

740
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 1: you're not going to be able to do it. I'm sorry,

741
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 1: it's okay, I need an excuse to not eat fish.

742
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 1: Is sloth truly a deadly sin? In humans? Well, there

743
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:24,319
Speaker 1: was such a thing as a sleeping sickness, not the

744
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 1: kind transmitted by the seats fly, but something that is

745
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 1: neurological and a medical puzzle. In the early nine hundreds,

746
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 1: a disease known as encephalitis lethargica affected millions around the world,

747
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:41,760
Speaker 1: many of whom died as a result, and sephalitis means

748
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:46,240
Speaker 1: inflammation of the brain, and lethargica describes the main symptom

749
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 1: of the disease, stream lethargy. Oliver Sacks described the disease hauntingly, quote,

750
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:55,840
Speaker 1: they would be conscious and aware, yet not fully awake.

751
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 1: They would sit motionless and speechless all day in their chair,

752
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 1: totally lacking energy, impetus, initiative mode of appetite, effect, or desire.

753
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:09,719
Speaker 1: They registered what went on around them without active attention

754
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 1: and with profound indifference. They neither conveyed nor felt the

755
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:17,840
Speaker 1: feeling of life. They were as insubstantial as ghosts and

756
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:22,760
Speaker 1: as passive as zombies. According to the National Institute of Health,

757
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 1: symptoms of the disease included high fever, headache, double vision,

758
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 1: delayed physical and mental response, lethargy, abnormal eye movements, upper

759
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:37,880
Speaker 1: body weakness, muscular pains, tremors, neck rigidity, psychosis, and coma.

760
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:40,839
Speaker 1: You'll notice I'm using the past tense, so I'm sure

761
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 1: you're hoping we cured the disease. Well, not exactly. The

762
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 1: epidemic ended and has not recurred, but not because it

763
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:51,879
Speaker 1: was cured. In fact, we don't know the cause, why

764
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 1: the epidemic ended, and what the hell is going on

765
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 1: or if it will happen again. There have been isolated

766
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 1: cases since the epidemics, so the disease is not gone

767
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 1: from the face of the earth. The most we know

768
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 1: about it is from pathological studies of these rare cases

769
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 1: that show inflammation of the midbrain and basil ganglia. Otherwise,

770
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 1: it's still mostly a mystery that have left researchers and

771
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 1: doctors scratching there, hopefully not inflamed heads. I know what

772
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 1: you're thinking, Katie. You can't count for ship. Those were

773
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 1: only three deadly sins, how dare you? Well, don't you worry.

774
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 1: We'll be back with more deadly sins when we return

775
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 1: with season two of Creature Feature Hi. I got you

776
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:35,320
Speaker 1: with the cliffhanger you'll just have to wait and anticipation

777
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 1: to find out what the other deadly sins are. Wait no,

778
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 1: don't google them spoilers anyways, that's right. This is the

779
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 1: final episode of season one, but don't worry. We'll be

780
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 1: back really soon with season two. Just to give you

781
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 1: a little sneak peek, one of the Sinners will discuss

782
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:53,919
Speaker 1: our birds who cheat on their partners in a way

783
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 1: that is arrested. Development levels are messed up, and it's

784
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 1: such a scientific enigma that researcher have said, quote it's

785
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 1: a little bit of a black box what's actually happening

786
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:09,240
Speaker 1: inside the female unfortunately, So join us soon for season

787
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:13,719
Speaker 1: two of Creature Feature. So, Katie, thank you so much

788
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:16,759
Speaker 1: for joining me. Thanks for having me. So you got

789
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 1: anything to plug? Uh? Yeah, I mean you can check

790
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 1: me out on Even More News, my podcast that I

791
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 1: co host with Cody Johnston who's been on the show before. Um,

792
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 1: and check out our YouTube show Some More News. I'm

793
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:35,280
Speaker 1: on the Twitter, you know, find me there. That's probably

794
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 1: it's really all I have to plug. Yeah, Katie Stole

795
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 1: is the name Katie, That's right. Don't you dare say Katie?

796
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 1: I e because because the whole name, but it's a

797
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:46,840
Speaker 1: different name. Yeah, it's that's gonna be me. Did you

798
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 1: ever think that you had a unique name? Probably when

799
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 1: I was a baby, and then after that it's like

800
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:53,319
Speaker 1: downhill from there. Up until high school, I hadn't met

801
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:56,359
Speaker 1: another Katie really, and now school can hit. I knew

802
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 1: another Katie in high school and she'd punched me in

803
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 1: the stomach. Well, you should test on on I know

804
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 1: at least he should, so join us soon for a

805
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 1: season two. You can follow us on Twitter at Creature

806
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:10,400
Speaker 1: Feet Pod. It's fat as in a great feat, not

807
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:14,320
Speaker 1: beat as in stinky feet. You can follow us on

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Speaker 1: Facebook and also check out our website Creature feature pod

809
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 1: dot com. And you can find me on Twitter at

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00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 1: Katie Golden. And also I would highly recommend you follow

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Speaker 1: at pro bird Rites, which you know is totally me

812
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:31,280
Speaker 1: pretending to be a bird and not a bird pretending

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Speaker 1: to be a human. Also, I'd like to thank the

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Speaker 1: Space Cossics for letting us use their excellent song Excelumina.