1 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Savor. I'm any Rest and I'm 2 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:13,680 Speaker 1: Lauren Vogelbaum, and today we're talking about energy drinks. Yeah, 3 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:16,919 Speaker 1: it's been an interesting research week because we're doing energy 4 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 1: drinks and birthday cake. Yeah. I didn't. I haven't consumed 5 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:23,480 Speaker 1: either of those products while researching this, but I still 6 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 1: feel like sort of bad about myself even though you didn't. 7 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:31,640 Speaker 1: Even though I didn't, I'm just like, Oh, they're just 8 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 1: both in my brain, all solution around. Yeah, And as 9 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 1: I told Lauren before we started recording, that sounds like 10 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:42,159 Speaker 1: a very particular year in my college days birthday cake 11 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 1: and energy drinks, and also like a song from an 12 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 1: emo band. Oh no, oh, I'm sure, yeah, as sure 13 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 1: as I am that someone has made a birthday cake 14 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 1: flavored energy drink. I'm sure that some band made that song. 15 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 1: And if you were that band, let us know. Oh 16 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 1: yeah right in. I definite only want to hear that. 17 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 1: It sounds right up my alley. I used to drink 18 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 1: a lot of energy drinks two to three a day, um, 19 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:11,959 Speaker 1: when I was in college and when I was first 20 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:15,480 Speaker 1: an intern at this company. Me and Matt Federal. Yeah, 21 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:19,960 Speaker 1: y'all have a problem. Yeah, I just I'm just admitting it. Yes, 22 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 1: I believe you. We would. We would work really late 23 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:26,960 Speaker 1: and we would each get like as the six pm 24 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 1: our rolls around, we would get one of those white 25 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 1: sugar free rock Stars, big tall ones. Um. Now, I 26 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 1: only drink them on road trips generally, or when I 27 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 1: have a very intensive deadline, and I still go for 28 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:43,960 Speaker 1: the sugar free rock Stars, not a sponsor. That's just 29 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 1: what I would go for. Are those coffee flavored monster ones. 30 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 1: But they're very hard to find, actually tricky in these parts. Um. 31 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 1: In fact, this is a fun feat behind the scenes. Okay, 32 00:01:57,240 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 1: if you go back and listen to the Mayor she 33 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 1: A Cherry episode. I had boken up at four thirty 34 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 1: am that morning and had driven six hours straight to 35 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 1: the studio to record that episode, and I had had 36 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 1: three to four energy drinks and some donuts ken and 37 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 1: I felt so high, like high as a kite. I 38 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I remember, you kept like you sort 39 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:24,519 Speaker 1: of went into like cat mode, like you sort of 40 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 1: kept like staring off into the corner at nothing real suddenly, 41 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 1: and I was just giggling and just giggling all the time. 42 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 1: I mean, not that we don't normally do that, but 43 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 1: extremes a reason. This was just giggling. Yeah. Um And 44 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:41,359 Speaker 1: I honestly have enough triple falling asleep, so I don't 45 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 1: really need any energy drink. You probably shouldn't do that. No, 46 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 1: this was not a good decision, but it is a decision. 47 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 1: And I used to love Jolt and Search when I 48 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 1: was a kid. Oh goodness, Oh my gosh, I loved him. 49 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:56,920 Speaker 1: I'd get him before i'd go to the movies. I 50 00:02:56,919 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 1: don't know why I wanted to be all jazz. Yeah, 51 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 1: mom at Treesure Island, I remember that experience in particular. 52 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 1: Um And I was mysteriously gifted with some Jolt socks recently. Seriously, 53 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 1: they just showed up. They just showed up on my desk. 54 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 1: I think Ramsey got them from someone else. I'm not 55 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 1: offended by it, but I like them. They're comfortable, they're stylish. 56 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:28,919 Speaker 1: Um And I remember during the finals week at my college, 57 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 1: if you went to like we had to student markets, 58 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 1: if you went to them during the finals week, you 59 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 1: would see people walking out with cases of innergat and 60 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 1: you had to get there like a whole week in 61 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 1: advance if you wanted to get the top pick. Very popular. 62 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 1: I was never that into I found out early that 63 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 1: I was caffeine sensitive. Like the first time that I 64 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 1: encountered a blended coffee drink, I was like, this is 65 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 1: the most delicious thing ever. I should have three um 66 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:00,160 Speaker 1: and I could see through time and space and all 67 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 1: my blood flowing through my veins like the individual cells. 68 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 1: So this was when I was like seventeen eighteen maybe, 69 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 1: and uh yeah, yeah, from that formative experience, I have 70 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 1: been careful with Yeah it's it's energy drinks didn't really 71 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 1: I mean, I guess Jolten Surge were out when I 72 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 1: was a kid, but uh yeah, the true like red 73 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 1: Bull monster kind of era didn't come until I was 74 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 1: a little bit older. I preferred the sugar free rock Star. 75 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 1: Is that the one that you said that you like? Yeah, yeah, 76 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 1: in the White can Oh man, I don't know why. See, well, 77 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:37,039 Speaker 1: we've got two people saying that that's the one. And 78 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 1: also Maddie fred who I always Maddie Fred. I always 79 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 1: good with him and all things of taste. The three 80 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 1: of us are top, top level experts. Yes, I have 81 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 1: no doubt in your mind about that. Okay, okay, okay, okay, Yeah, yeah, 82 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 1: I didn't drink them that often. Mostly. Um, back in 83 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 1: my in my club days, if you can imagine the 84 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 1: club days, and you can imagine someone with my haircut. Um, 85 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 1: I used to die at black uh, and I went 86 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:07,840 Speaker 1: goth dancing a whole lot and um, yeah, goth and 87 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:10,919 Speaker 1: adies dancing, And so I would let myself have half 88 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 1: a can before we went, and then I could drink 89 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 1: the other half afterwards. I love that so much. So 90 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 1: you were like GoF dancing fueled by fueled by rock Star. 91 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know why they haven't contacted you 92 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 1: for sponsorship. It just seems like a missed opportunity. I'm 93 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:33,920 Speaker 1: waiting for the call any day now. I'm picturing like 94 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:36,600 Speaker 1: in in South Park that kind of their golf dancing, 95 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 1: but you're in a club that's more or less what 96 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 1: I looked like. I'm pretty sure perfect. Okay, alright, alright, 97 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 1: this brings us to our question energy drinks. What are they? Well? Uh, 98 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 1: Energy drinks are a category of usually carbonated beverage that's 99 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 1: marketed specifically as how the ability to pep you up, 100 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 1: make you awake, alert, energized. They can attempt this through 101 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 1: any number of ingredients. Caffeine is often key. It's like 102 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:13,720 Speaker 1: a fun times nutritional supplement. That's the idea that they're selling. Anyway, 103 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:16,480 Speaker 1: Flavors vary, but there's often a sort of like metallic 104 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 1: or medicinal twinge to them, and a lot of sweetness 105 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 1: and some citric tartness. Yeah yeah, I find that the 106 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 1: flavor after two SIPs is not great. Yeah. They it 107 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 1: helps if they're very cold, because maybe that's just like 108 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:36,599 Speaker 1: numbing your taste buds. I don't know. Some are sold 109 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:42,360 Speaker 1: is concentrated shots instead of like full on beverages. And Okay, 110 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 1: if you've ever wondered what all those ingredients you see 111 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 1: listed on the cans are supposed to do, how stuff works? 112 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 1: Dot com has a quick rundown. Uh. Caffeine, of course, 113 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 1: is a stimulant that blocks a dentisine in the brain, 114 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 1: which causes a chain reaction that releases adrenaline. Your heart 115 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 1: beats faster, your liver releases sugar into the blood stream, 116 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:03,480 Speaker 1: and it ups the dopamine in your brain. You feel good. 117 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. I Adrin is a stimulant that works on 118 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 1: the central nervous system. It's a common ingredient and weight 119 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 1: loss products and decongestens um there have been some concerns, 120 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 1: as with overdoses of caffeine, about the effects its effects 121 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 1: on the heart. Turin is a amino acid that's naturally 122 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 1: produced by the body. It helps regulate heartbeat and muscle contractions. 123 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 1: And uh, yeah, a lot of people aren't really sure. 124 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 1: I mean not just people like researchers are sure, like 125 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 1: what effects it has as an additive. Um, but the 126 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 1: rumor that it comes from bowl testicles is super false. 127 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 1: That's not that's not accurate. Oh that's yeah, that's people 128 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 1: would say that. That's why it's called red bull because 129 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 1: the touring that's one of the main ingredients comes from 130 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 1: also like tourists. Oh sure, okay, I mean yeah. Also 131 00:07:54,520 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 1: why not either either or Shin Singh is a route 132 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 1: believed by some people to have a several medicinal properties, 133 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 1: including reducing stress and perhaps boosting energy levels. B vitamins 134 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 1: we talked about those on the show a whole lot. Actually, 135 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 1: um there they're vitamins that very basically helped convert sugar 136 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 1: into energy. Um. And yeah. Guaran A seed is another stimulant. 137 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: It comes from a small shrub in Venezuela and Brazil 138 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 1: or that's where it's native to anyway. It contains caffeine, 139 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 1: so it's an added source of caffeine. Carentine is an 140 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 1: amino acid that plays a role in fatty acid metabolism. 141 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 1: Creatine is an acid that helps supply energy for muscle contractions. 142 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 1: And Ginko bloba is made from seeds of the ginka 143 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 1: bloba tree. Um, it's thought to enhance memory. Kind of 144 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:54,720 Speaker 1: a question mark there. Nutritionally speaking, let's get into health. 145 00:08:55,440 --> 00:09:03,320 Speaker 1: Speaking of nutritionally speaking, okay, um, all right, Well, first 146 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:06,440 Speaker 1: of all, energy drinks can contain a lot of sugar, 147 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 1: unless you're getting a sugar for your star sponsored uh. 148 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 1: Like For example, is sixteen ounce bottle of coke contains 149 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:20,440 Speaker 1: fifty two grams of sugar. Um. Some energy drinks contain 150 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 1: like twice that, like I've read so yeah. Um. That 151 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:32,679 Speaker 1: kind of sugar content can, especially through repeated use over time, 152 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 1: can decrease your body's ability to handle sugar, which can 153 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 1: lead to diabetes. It's also not good for your get 154 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:42,719 Speaker 1: bacteria like the sugar will just feed like kind of 155 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:44,440 Speaker 1: the crappy ones and the rest of them will go like, 156 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 1: oh no, what a world, I know what that's like? 157 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:50,960 Speaker 1: Oh geez, I do too. Uh, there's some weird research 158 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:54,319 Speaker 1: out there, like the combination of caffeine touring and guarana 159 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 1: might promote and enhance apoptosis, which is the programmed cell 160 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 1: death that your body carries out to like flush cells 161 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 1: for a number of reasons, like maybe they've reached some 162 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:06,960 Speaker 1: biological expiry date, or maybe they've been stressed out by 163 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:09,440 Speaker 1: an attack from a virus or exposured radiation, and your 164 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:12,199 Speaker 1: bodies like get rid of that. It's going to spread. Uh. 165 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:14,839 Speaker 1: It's generally a helpful process in the body, though too 166 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:17,080 Speaker 1: much of it leads to stuff like muscle atrophy or 167 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:23,840 Speaker 1: like blood disorders or neurogenerative diseases like Alzheimer's. So that's weird. Yeah, 168 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 1: that's pretty strange. Yeah. I haven't read about what that. 169 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 1: I just that is something that people have reported. Interesting. Yeah, 170 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 1: it's like a fallout drink. Wait, the fault. Fault took 171 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 1: a place in the fifties. No, it's the future. Yeah, 172 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 1: it's the future fifties. That's exactly what it is, which 173 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 1: I find very charming. Oh yeah, yeah, and then, uh, really, 174 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 1: the key ingredient in all of this, though, is that 175 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 1: massive dose of caffeine how massive is it? Will of 176 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 1: five hour energy has like a hundred and twelve milligrams 177 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 1: of caffeine um. Some of those shot style ones can 178 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 1: have up to two hundred milligrams. The drink style beverages 179 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:14,239 Speaker 1: generally have like seventy to two hundred and forty milligrams. 180 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 1: And for for comparison, twelve ounces of kola has about 181 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:22,680 Speaker 1: thirty five milligrams UM. At eight ounce coffee has about 182 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 1: a hundred milligrams. It's a lot of caffe so it's 183 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:30,560 Speaker 1: a bunch um and and this is actually something fun 184 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 1: that I learned in this research over. Caffe Nation can 185 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 1: lead to a medical condition called caffeine intoxication, the symptoms 186 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 1: of which include anxiety, insomnia, gastro intestinal upset, muscle twitching, restlessness, 187 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:54,200 Speaker 1: and periods of inexhaustibility. Inexhaustibility goodness. Yeah. Also, caffeine is 188 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 1: is a diuretic, which means that it flushes more water 189 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 1: than usual from your body through urine. So it's really 190 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 1: easy to get dehydrated if drinking a lot of these. Yes, 191 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 1: which is why um, and we're not going to go 192 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 1: into this too much, but the whole red bull and 193 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:09,199 Speaker 1: vodka thing, that's why it caused a bit of a 194 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 1: health scare. Yeah, if you're pepping yourself up like that 195 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 1: while also using a depressant, it can really confuse a 196 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 1: lot of signaling going on in your body and maybe 197 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:23,080 Speaker 1: make you think that you are less drunk than you are, 198 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 1: which can lead to like car accidents and stuff like that. 199 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 1: If you're cocky and like all those things that I 200 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 1: just said. I know that it sounds a little bit 201 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 1: like a little bit dire and I've got a couple 202 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 1: more dire facts. Who are you towards the end of 203 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:42,199 Speaker 1: the episode. Um, but like, okay, a lot of the supplements, 204 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 1: including caffeine and energy drinks have kind of like mixed 205 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:49,439 Speaker 1: results in your body. Really, Like studies have shown that 206 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 1: consuming a certain amount of energy drink will improve like 207 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 1: endurance during exercise and the feeling of alertness, maybe your 208 00:12:56,400 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 1: reaction times, probably your mood up, your ability to constant trait. 209 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 1: But when you take too much, those positive effects can 210 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:08,560 Speaker 1: turn negative real fast. Like, Like generally, stimulants pep you 211 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:10,840 Speaker 1: up because they trick your brain into thinking that there's 212 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 1: an emergency happening, so you know, you're you're red alert, 213 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 1: your like primed for fight or flight. And that's okay 214 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:19,960 Speaker 1: short term or in small doses, but in larger doses 215 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 1: or longer term, it's like overclocking your body, like it 216 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:25,960 Speaker 1: puts stresses on you at both a system and a 217 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 1: cellular level. So drink responsibly. Drink your energy drinks responsively. Yes, 218 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:36,840 Speaker 1: the recommendation is no more than one per day, one 219 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 1: like twelve ounce sixteen Yeah, one one one unit per day, 220 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 1: one unit per day, Okay, I shall take this into consideration. Again. 221 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:53,440 Speaker 1: I rarely have manymore, but a lot of people do, 222 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 1: because if we look at numbers, energy drinks are a 223 00:13:56,760 --> 00:14:00,960 Speaker 1: big business. In twelve, the energy drink market made eleven 224 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:06,200 Speaker 1: billion dollars. Some I pointed out that really, these drinks 225 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 1: aren't that different from sodas except when it comes to 226 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 1: the price tag. And I have to say that was 227 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 1: one of the most like Jupie facts of the episode 228 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 1: for me. Yeah, well it's a SuperDOS a caffeine. Yeah, 229 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 1: and the price tag and the price tag and after 230 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 1: multi vitamins. They are the most consumed dietary supplement for 231 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 1: American teens and young adults. Really, yeah, not a surprise, no, 232 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 1: I mean the biggest demographic for them is men. Eighteen 233 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 1: to thirty four, and I think a third of young 234 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 1: adults report drinking them. But I mean, this is a 235 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 1: different podcast. But when I look back at my time 236 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 1: in high school, and this is when energy drinks were 237 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 1: becoming big. Um, that schedule I was on was ridiculous 238 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 1: and I can't believe that that was like expected of 239 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 1: a high school students. Oh yeah, yeah, me too. I 240 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 1: got maximum four hours of sleep at night and that 241 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 1: was just like doing homework and stuff. Different show, but 242 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 1: I can see why energy drinks are a popular thing 243 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 1: for young adults. But all right, what about the history 244 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 1: of energy drinks? What about it? Well, there's a lot 245 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 1: of it, but we'll get into that after a quick 246 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 1: break for word from our sponsor, and we're back. Thank 247 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 1: you sponsoring, Yes, thank you. I gotta say energy drinks 248 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 1: are pretty new, um, and they took off in the 249 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 1: two thousands, which they do feel very early two thousands 250 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 1: to me. But I didn't realize they were that new, 251 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 1: or at least the ones that we I think when 252 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 1: we say energy drinks, what you're thinking of, Yeah, the 253 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 1: specific category I mean, like coffee and tea have been 254 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 1: around for a minute, yes, And there was a pre 255 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 1: Columbian highly caffeinated drink in the America's that people would 256 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 1: drink and then promptly throw it up. It was seen 257 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 1: as a purification ritual, or perhaps a pre battle stimulant, 258 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:23,160 Speaker 1: or perhaps both. Okay, whatever you're into pre Columbian dudes. Yeah, 259 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 1: we don't. We don't. Really, we're not in a good 260 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 1: space to tell them to give them any kind of advice. 261 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 1: That that is true on a number of levels. The 262 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 1: history of modern day energy drinks began in the nineteen 263 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 1: sixties with a product from the Japanese company tai Show Pharmaceuticals. 264 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 1: This drink, Lipto van d, was advertised as a medicinal 265 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 1: drink that raised energy levels with the help of a 266 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 1: mixture of ingredients like tori nyasin and an array of 267 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 1: vitamins and minerals. After the end of World War Two, 268 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 1: amphetamines were really popular, but laws passed in the nineteen 269 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 1: fifties made them much more difficult to access. Liptaband was 270 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:07,359 Speaker 1: meant to fill a market void. If you will, you 271 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 1: could get these in small bottles, similar to a five 272 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:14,439 Speaker 1: hour energy drink today, and this, along with other highly 273 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:20,639 Speaker 1: caffeinated and fortified drinks, became really popular among Jaffanese businessmen 274 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:25,159 Speaker 1: looking for success by the nineteen eighties, as opposed to 275 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 1: like the cocaine thing that was happening over here. I 276 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 1: guess that's a parallel that we could draw, maybe maybe not. 277 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 1: An early commercial for one of these featured Arnold Schwarzenegger 278 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 1: coming out of the can like Genie Lize. I remember that, 279 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:44,639 Speaker 1: Do you really it's great? Oh my gosh. I just 280 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 1: had a moment of very intense regret that I didn't 281 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 1: take the time to find the commercial. Are short sen 282 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 1: Area is coming up in a lot of episodes recently. 283 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:57,880 Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on. There was another commercial 284 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 1: which featured a business superhero signing deals and making presentations, 285 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 1: asking can you fight for twenty four hours a day? Businessman? Businessman, Japaneers, businessmen. 286 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:16,960 Speaker 1: It was very intense technically in some places I looked 287 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:20,160 Speaker 1: at when I was researching this. Some people include Coca 288 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:23,480 Speaker 1: Cola in the timeline of energy drinks back during the 289 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 1: brief period when cocaine was one of the ingredients. Supposedly, 290 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:35,680 Speaker 1: Coca Cola still denies that, yes they do. Um Also, 291 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 1: some people included the predecessor to Coca Cola, French cocoa wine, 292 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:42,680 Speaker 1: and you can see our soda episode for more about that. 293 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 1: While Japan normally gets the credit, there were a few 294 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 1: other contenders. One comes from the UK and invented by 295 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 1: chemist William Owen. It was called Gluca's Aid and it 296 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:57,480 Speaker 1: was sold to hospitals as a way to provide energy 297 00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:01,760 Speaker 1: to patients with cold and or flew. The name changed 298 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 1: to Lucas Aid in nine It rebranded in nine three 299 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 1: with this slogan Lucas Aid replace his lost energy, and 300 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 1: sales tripled in six years after that rebrand. So hey, 301 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:14,960 Speaker 1: I believe it's still around. I think you can still 302 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:22,040 Speaker 1: get it. Another contender, Dr Enough e in uf a 303 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:25,879 Speaker 1: vitamin fortified caffeated soda, which was invented in Chicago. In 304 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 1: n It never sold very well, but apparently you can 305 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 1: still find it in Tennessee. I believe. Yeah. I picked 306 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:33,960 Speaker 1: up a bottle while we were at It's like sitting 307 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 1: either in my desk or at home. I'll bust it out. 308 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:40,919 Speaker 1: You have a bottle of doctor now. Yeah, Oh my gosh, 309 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:45,440 Speaker 1: this is great. Um. Doctor Enough's tagline was by the way, 310 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:47,439 Speaker 1: and I don't know why this tagline didn't help it 311 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:50,679 Speaker 1: break the sales chart, the answer to a housewife's prayer, 312 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:54,200 Speaker 1: the bosom companion of a tired farmer businessman, and a 313 00:19:54,320 --> 00:20:00,199 Speaker 1: shift into care for young Johnny or Mary. Could a 314 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:04,160 Speaker 1: lot of things it could, but apparently not sell. It 315 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:08,159 Speaker 1: was for everybody and no one at all anyone. Skipping 316 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:11,640 Speaker 1: ahead to the nineteen eighties, soda companies were doing their 317 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:16,440 Speaker 1: utmost to compete with coffee. Things like Jolt Cola, which 318 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:19,640 Speaker 1: promised all the sugar and twice the caffeine. Coke had 319 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 1: ads calling for Coca Cool in the morning. Not to 320 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 1: be outdone, Pepsi introduced Pepsi Am Pepsi, I am I. 321 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 1: I try to be tolerant of other people's food food ways, y'all, 322 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 1: but I get genuinely grossed out when I see people 323 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 1: drinking Coca cola in the morning. I think that that 324 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 1: is a thing in some places in the world. I 325 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 1: think that that is a fact that we will get 326 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 1: to there. I'm happy for people to be happy, but 327 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:53,679 Speaker 1: hoof it just I don't know. It just makes my 328 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:57,639 Speaker 1: stomach gurgle. Oh my mom does that. She drinks it 329 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:02,159 Speaker 1: sugar free dot to pep for in the morning for 330 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:06,119 Speaker 1: the caffeine because she can't have coffee too much, too much, 331 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:10,400 Speaker 1: and she doesn't like tea Yeah no, do what may say? 332 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 1: Happy yeah mom in a big name enters the drink 333 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:21,160 Speaker 1: scene Red Bull. It was essentially the same as liviten 334 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:24,959 Speaker 1: d and by this time Japanese energy drinks like that 335 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 1: one had made their way to Europe, but with the 336 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 1: addition of caffeine and sugar and carbonation. The drink, invented 337 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:36,200 Speaker 1: by an Austrian named Dietrich Mata Ships, was named after 338 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 1: the taurine amino acid. Mata Sits was the international marketing 339 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 1: director of an Austrian company that sold bathroom products before 340 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:46,679 Speaker 1: he discovered energy drinks, not in Europe, but while on 341 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:49,399 Speaker 1: a business trip to Bangkok, and he quit his job 342 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:52,919 Speaker 1: to join forces with a Thai energy drink company that 343 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 1: produced krotin Dong, also known as thy red Bull. The 344 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:02,600 Speaker 1: inventor of ty red Bull, Coleo Yvaja, died in as 345 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:07,200 Speaker 1: one of the richest people in the world. Wow. From 346 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 1: what I understand that it was essentially the exact exact 347 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:14,960 Speaker 1: same formulation. For over a decade, a red Bull stayed 348 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:19,719 Speaker 1: mostly confined to Europe. It wasn't until which just by 349 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 1: the way it was a very formative year in my 350 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:27,520 Speaker 1: life that Red Bull debuted in the United States. New Millennium, 351 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 1: New you Knew Energy Drinks. Hans and Natural developed Monster 352 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:35,040 Speaker 1: and introduced it to the market. In two thousand four, 353 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 1: we see five hour Energy start to appear in stores. 354 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:41,119 Speaker 1: From two thousand five to two thousand and six, sales 355 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 1: of energy drinks in the US took off, increasing by 356 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 1: sixty one percent. Red Bull, the most well known energy 357 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 1: drink by then, topped an annual two billion dollars in 358 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:58,560 Speaker 1: global sales. Also in two five, we get Fusion Pharmaceuticals 359 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:04,440 Speaker 1: for Loco alcoholic energy drink, and as you might imagine, 360 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:08,640 Speaker 1: this drink raised a lot of health concerns and it 361 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 1: was removed and reformulated to get rid of the caffeine 362 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 1: toren and guarana, and then reintroduced on shelves in the US. 363 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 1: And I remember being in tenth grade in health class 364 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:24,399 Speaker 1: and hearing stories of kids whose hearts had stopped because 365 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:27,119 Speaker 1: of energy drinks. And in twelve it was reported that 366 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:29,960 Speaker 1: over a four year period, five hour Energy was the 367 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:34,000 Speaker 1: cause of thirteen deaths. Perhaps because of this, Washington State 368 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:39,160 Speaker 1: took steps to make energy drinks illegal for children. Under eighteen. France, 369 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:42,400 Speaker 1: Denmark and Norway have banned Red Bull, and Canada requires 370 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 1: that it comes with a warning label. In the US, 371 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 1: has been involved in over ninety filings with the FDA 372 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:51,399 Speaker 1: since two thousand nine. From two seven to twenty eleven, 373 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:55,360 Speaker 1: the number of emergency room visits due to energy drinks doubled, 374 00:23:56,160 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 1: and as oft of those visits involved taking energy rinks 375 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 1: alongside alcohol or other drugs. Yeah, yep. Over the years, 376 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:11,959 Speaker 1: energy drinks have promised all kinds of things, not only energy, 377 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 1: but things like invigorating your genital organs. I find energy 378 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:20,640 Speaker 1: drinks have a certain type of extreme in your face advertising. 379 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:26,160 Speaker 1: There's an ad for cocaine the energy drink. It's called Cocaine. 380 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:30,240 Speaker 1: Interesting branding that implies drinking it will turn you into 381 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:34,479 Speaker 1: a super cool vampire, not like a lame vampire, like 382 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:39,720 Speaker 1: a really cool one, like's you're a fresh frompire in 383 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 1: the club. Oh man. Yeah, so that's about the story. 384 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 1: I don't know why we didn't do the whole episode 385 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:53,560 Speaker 1: in that like in your face. Yeah, it's missed opportunity. 386 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:55,120 Speaker 1: I mean, I guess we can just start over again 387 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:56,879 Speaker 1: from the top. Right now, I have to go get 388 00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 1: an energy drink. We're going to do that. Yeah, I 389 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 1: don't know how long my vocal chords would would last 390 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:05,399 Speaker 1: doing that, but we could always give it a old 391 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 1: college try, as they say, well, we still have a 392 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:15,480 Speaker 1: little more for you. We do, but first we have 393 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:26,439 Speaker 1: a quick break for a word from our sponsor, and 394 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:29,400 Speaker 1: we're back. Thank you, sponsor, Yes, thank you. One more 395 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,639 Speaker 1: bonus fact. Uh, I forgot to look it up before 396 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:35,399 Speaker 1: we got into the studio, so I just googled it 397 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:40,200 Speaker 1: right now. But okay, so why our energy drinks so yellow? 398 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 1: They're so yellow? They're so yellow. Yeah, they're kind of 399 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:47,480 Speaker 1: a gross color, really um, which is why I'm very 400 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 1: glad that they're sold in cans and not bottles. But yes, 401 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:52,920 Speaker 1: it's from metacaroteen. It's from one of the things that 402 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:56,959 Speaker 1: our body uses to make vitamin A. Makes sense. Yeah, 403 00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:02,359 Speaker 1: it also makes carrots that color and cheese yellow. I 404 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:05,120 Speaker 1: can't wait till we do an episode on carrots. Oh, 405 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:08,160 Speaker 1: it's gonna be a good one. I used to eat 406 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 1: a bag of carrots every day, like a big bag 407 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:16,920 Speaker 1: because my vision was deteriorating. And I you know that, 408 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 1: they say, But I can't wait to do the research 409 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:22,720 Speaker 1: because from what I understand. It's actually just night vision 410 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:24,879 Speaker 1: that it helps. It might be no vision, but I 411 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,719 Speaker 1: thought it was going to help all of my shirt. Nope, 412 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 1: I still had to take glasses. It's basically based. There's 413 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 1: a little bit of nutritional effect in there, but it's 414 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:37,840 Speaker 1: basically just World War two propaganda, um from UK fighter pilots, 415 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:43,960 Speaker 1: darned world War two propaganda and poor middle school meeting 416 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:48,159 Speaker 1: a bag of carrots every day. Hey, I that's like 417 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,120 Speaker 1: a lot of fiber. That's great. I did it as 418 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:55,119 Speaker 1: someone like here we go, and I'd be towards the 419 00:26:55,240 --> 00:27:02,920 Speaker 1: end like shaking trying to get more carrots. Well, I'm 420 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:07,240 Speaker 1: very affective. I'm sorry, past Annie. Yeah, after that, like 421 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,960 Speaker 1: I felt so betrayed. Um, I didn't carrots for years, 422 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:13,480 Speaker 1: and you know they would make me nauseous, like feel 423 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:16,080 Speaker 1: nauseated when already eat them because I've been eating bags 424 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 1: of them. Yeah, that's that's not a serving size. No, 425 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:23,040 Speaker 1: it wasn't good. I switched to bags of him and 426 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 1: in pe nuts and that was worse. Anyway. This about 427 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 1: brings us to the end of our our episode on 428 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,280 Speaker 1: Energy to Drinks, with a brief aside about carrots. Brief 429 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 1: caret aside episode forth coming and too we have a 430 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 1: future in this. I think that's clear obviously. Who never 431 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:54,920 Speaker 1: get a hold of this? All right? Chris wrote, I'm 432 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:58,040 Speaker 1: a PhD candidate and food science at U C. Davis, 433 00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,160 Speaker 1: and I've been listening to the podcast four years. I'm 434 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,680 Speaker 1: super excited to listen to your episode about oranges because 435 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 1: I now have something to write in about. My dissertation 436 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 1: work is actually centered around citrus greening and the impact 437 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:12,159 Speaker 1: it has on important biological pathways in the plant by 438 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:17,200 Speaker 1: using some pretty awesome analytical chemistry and molecular biology techniques. 439 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 1: In academic circles, we usually refer to citrus greening by 440 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:26,199 Speaker 1: the Chinese name Huangdong, being abbreviated HLB, and it is 441 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,960 Speaker 1: a major concern among citrus growers in California. Most of 442 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:33,360 Speaker 1: Florida's oranges are processed into juice, and juice from infected 443 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:35,760 Speaker 1: trees can be blended with that of healthy trees below 444 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:39,240 Speaker 1: a certain threshold without being noticeably bitter to a consumer. 445 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:43,080 Speaker 1: The vast majority of California grown citrus, however, is eaten fresh, 446 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 1: which means there is no way to hide bitter, misshapen, 447 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 1: discolored or otherwise defective fruit. A major complication for growers 448 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,120 Speaker 1: is that the early symptoms of HLB are easy to 449 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:57,440 Speaker 1: confuse with common nutrient deficiencies or other diseases like citrus 450 00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:03,240 Speaker 1: triest aza maybe um and citrus stubborn. I don't want 451 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 1: to give away too much information about my research, gotcha, 452 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,720 Speaker 1: but my end goal is to understand how key pathways 453 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,400 Speaker 1: in the orange trees are manipulated in response to any 454 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,280 Speaker 1: of these stresses and path no gins. That is so cool, 455 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 1: that's so fascinating. Oh that's great. Yes, oh man, we 456 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 1: love hearing from folks doing food research. Yeah. Yeah, when 457 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:26,240 Speaker 1: you when you publish, Chris, would you send us like 458 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:29,600 Speaker 1: a link to your paper that yeah, please do? Yeah? 459 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:33,720 Speaker 1: Oh okay, all right, um, Victoria wrote, I literally just 460 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,000 Speaker 1: thought of recommending ice as a topic for you, lovely 461 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,520 Speaker 1: ladies when I updated my podcasts and saw you beat 462 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:41,760 Speaker 1: me to the punch for history. In South Bristol, Maine, 463 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 1: my neighbor town is the Thompson Ice House. They are 464 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,800 Speaker 1: still open and provide ice for the area in February, 465 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,600 Speaker 1: weather permitting, They host an ice harvesting party at the 466 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:52,960 Speaker 1: pond and store huge blocks in the ice house, which 467 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 1: is insulated by sawdust. The ice is bought and used 468 00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 1: by local fishermen for the long sea trips. Locals can 469 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,240 Speaker 1: also buy ice in the summer. And speaking of summer, 470 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:04,280 Speaker 1: Thompson Ice House holds an ice cream social every summer. 471 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:08,240 Speaker 1: This year held on July nineteen, using the ice from 472 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:13,240 Speaker 1: the pond. It is so delicious. Ah, that's lovely, A 473 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:16,600 Speaker 1: real functioning ice house. Yes, Oh I've never I did. 474 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,280 Speaker 1: I didn't know such a thing still existed in the world. Oh, 475 00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 1: I want to go. I know we have to. Yeah, 476 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,200 Speaker 1: you look cold just thinking about it, and Annie just 477 00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:28,000 Speaker 1: visibly shivered. She's also wearing a parka in here right now, 478 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:32,600 Speaker 1: you guys, it's chilly. I like took off my flannel 479 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,480 Speaker 1: to like just hang out in my T shirt and 480 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:40,400 Speaker 1: she's like, we're all doing just fine. Yeah, yeah, I 481 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:44,240 Speaker 1: mean I would love to visit the ice house, but 482 00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:48,080 Speaker 1: I would become very prepared. Perhaps might look a little ridiculous. 483 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 1: That's ok. Oh no, that's fine. Thank you, Lauren, thank you, 484 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,760 Speaker 1: and thanks to both of them for writing in. You 485 00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:57,680 Speaker 1: can also write to us. Our email is Hello at 486 00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:00,600 Speaker 1: savor pod dot com. We're also on SOI Media. You 487 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:04,560 Speaker 1: can find us on Instagram, Twitter, and Facebook at savor Pod, 488 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:06,760 Speaker 1: we do hope to hear from you. 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