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Speaker 2: In this Wednesday, is it patience Wednesday? Perspective Wednesday? Trying
Speaker 2: to add some perspective here today?
Speaker 3: I was trying to find a word, because I don't
Speaker 3: know how much we love alliteration, a W word that
Speaker 3: would go with Wednesday.
Speaker 2: Like wisdom Wednesday. Oh, wisdom Wednesday.
Speaker 4: Damnit.
Speaker 2: See I've been spending two.
Speaker 3: Hours thinking about that. Why can you just ask me
Speaker 3: lesson learned? Yeah, that you know what that is? Then wisdom?
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you, thank you. Paulie hates a literation for
Speaker 2: somebody whose name is Paul.
Speaker 5: Papps amongst the reasons.
Speaker 2: Yes, I think that's why. Yeah, I think that's why.
Speaker 2: But did they call you pep a little bit?
Speaker 5: I got a lot. Yeah, it didn't really bother me
Speaker 5: that much.
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, is that sticking with you fifty years later?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm completely over. I'm over.
Speaker 2: I'm over.
Speaker 3: First day of kindergarten app ruined the whole life.
Speaker 5: I was a little guy too, I couldn't really defend myself.
Speaker 2: Kids can be so brutal. Oh my gosh, that mean
Speaker 2: worst they are, and they go they go right for
Speaker 2: the jugular. I mean they want it to hurt a
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Speaker 2: Stars Oilers Game four tonight Timberwolfs beat the MAVs. Is
Speaker 2: hope or false hope? MAVs go up three games to one.
Speaker 2: Caitlin Clark had thirty in a loss, and baseball has
Speaker 2: revamped its statistical history. And the man who's responsible for
Speaker 2: this he is the official historian of Major League Baseball,
Speaker 2: John Thorn, who joins us. John, explain what you've been
Speaker 2: doing and how long you've been doing it to get
Speaker 2: to this point today.
Speaker 6: Of course, Dan, first of all, to indicate that many
Speaker 6: have made light the work I am, by no means
Speaker 6: the most important person in this entire scenario. It's people
Speaker 6: like Larry Lester and Gary Ashwell and Kevin Johnson who
Speaker 6: have been the diggers who have been reading black newspapers
Speaker 6: on microfilm and microfiche for decades and now some of
Speaker 6: that has been digitized. But it is the research effort
Speaker 6: that we memorialized with the Committee to Review Negro League Statistics,
Speaker 6: whereby we set some policies for leaderboards, in particular single
Speaker 6: season leader boards and career leader boards that have upturned
Speaker 6: the baseball world.
Speaker 2: Okay, do you have to have for something to be validated?
Speaker 2: You have to have a box score.
Speaker 7: Absolutely, you have to have a score, because, as you know,
Speaker 7: baseball is a double entry account system, whereby every out
Speaker 7: made at the plate is reflected in.
Speaker 6: An out made in the field, either a pitcher catcher
Speaker 6: strikeout or a grounder to short that's an assist for
Speaker 6: the shortstop and a putout for the first basement. Absence
Speaker 6: that balance, and if we started to intrude anecdotal evidence
Speaker 6: into the database, the balance of MLB's history since eighteen
Speaker 6: seventy six would be destroyed.
Speaker 2: What has changed as far as individual as far as
Speaker 2: an individual like Josh Gibson or an individual category season,
Speaker 2: give us the statistical fallout from this.
Speaker 6: The leaderboards will have changed, and Josh Gibson is the
Speaker 6: single season leader in batting average and slugging and ops.
Speaker 6: But he's already been memorialized in bronze at the Baseball
Speaker 6: Hall of Fame, like many of his others. But there
Speaker 6: are twenty three hundred players, some of whom were in
Speaker 6: for a cup of coffee or an inconsequential season in
Speaker 6: a league that didn't last very long. And it's these players,
Speaker 6: these individuals whose families can now point to their name
Speaker 6: in the record book and say he was a major leaguer.
Speaker 2: How many home runs did Josh Gibson officially hit? Officially?
Speaker 6: I believe the number is one seventy four in league play.
Speaker 6: Is Hall of Fame plaque reads that he hit nearly
Speaker 6: eight hundred in some combination of league and independent ball.
Speaker 6: But independent ball is barnstorming ball, and you never know
Speaker 6: what the quality of the opposition was, whether it's semi pro,
Speaker 6: whether it's amateur. Because the Negro leagues, with their shortened seasons,
Speaker 6: their shortened league seasons, were compelled to play lots of games,
Speaker 6: more so than in order to keep the revenue stream flowing.
Speaker 2: Will there be asterisk in the record books.
Speaker 6: There will be no asterisks, just as the prospect of
Speaker 6: an asterisk go along aside. Roger Maris's sixty one homers
Speaker 6: way back when never was actualized. It is MLB policy
Speaker 6: that there is one continuous record from eighteen seventy six
Speaker 6: to the present day, and not a single statistic bears
Speaker 6: an asterisk or a footnote.
Speaker 2: And it's not just the Negro leagues. There are other
Speaker 2: leagues that are incorporated in this whole process.
Speaker 6: Sure, there are defunct major leagues, and many of our
Speaker 6: listeners will not have heard of the American Association as
Speaker 6: a ten year major eighteen eighty two to eighteen ninety one,
Speaker 6: or the Union Association of eighteen eighty four, or the
Speaker 6: Players League of a teen ninety or the Federal League
Speaker 6: of nineteen fourteen and fifteen. But these leagues were deemed
Speaker 6: to be major league caliber back in nineteen sixty nine,
Speaker 6: and all of those players' records are in the database.
Speaker 2: He is the official historian of Major League Baseball, John Thorne.
Speaker 2: That's a pretty good title there. Do you have a
Speaker 2: business card? I do have a business nice. I like that.
Speaker 6: I sometimes had it to my wife.
Speaker 2: What's the coolest thing in your library?
Speaker 8: There?
Speaker 6: The coolest thing might be the oil painting of Jim
Speaker 6: Boughten my pal okay, the Knickerbocker Pennant, which was the
Speaker 6: first flag flown over the Knickerbocker Baseball Club clubhouse in
Speaker 6: eighteen fifty five.
Speaker 2: You remember when Ball four came out with Jim Boughten.
Speaker 2: If that came out now, that would be like nobody
Speaker 2: would even think twice. But back then in nineteen seventy,
Speaker 2: it's like, oh my gosh, here's an athlete who is
Speaker 2: spilling on his teammates and what it's like on the road.
Speaker 6: And it was an athlete's own voice. It was not
Speaker 6: a ghost written job as so many of the player
Speaker 6: autobiographies or the Christy Matthewson books, the King Kelly books,
Speaker 6: the cap ans and books, they were all ghosted.
Speaker 2: It's great to talk to you, John, congratulations on the
Speaker 2: process and everybody else in Uh in this Uh did
Speaker 2: Babe did did Babe Ruth actually call his shot in
Speaker 2: the World Series? No?
Speaker 6: There is some eight millimeter footage of the Babe and point.
Speaker 6: He's pointing to the Cubs clubhouse where he was being razzed.
Speaker 6: And if you view this footage from the wrong perspective,
Speaker 6: you think he's pointing to center field, but he wasn't.
Speaker 6: It was a joke for Ruth too.
Speaker 2: He kind of ruined that story there, John, thanks for
Speaker 2: joining us, and again, congratulations to everybody involved in this.
Speaker 2: My pleasure, Dan, that's John Thorne, the official historian of
Speaker 2: Major League Baseball. It's a big title there. Now, I'm wondering,
Speaker 2: let's say we looked at other sports there, ABA NBA
Speaker 2: combine that? Right? Can you look at Canadian Football League
Speaker 2: and factor that in with the Pro Football Hall of
Speaker 2: Fame NFL numbers? How about USFL with herschel Walker's numbers?
Speaker 9: There?
Speaker 2: Does do those sports get around to doing that? The ABA?
Speaker 2: I certainly understand because of the teams they absorbed and
Speaker 2: the great players that were there. How many points does
Speaker 2: doctor J have? Marvin? Do we know if PAULI, do
Speaker 2: you have that?
Speaker 5: Yeah? I got doctor J.
Speaker 10: Julius Irving having almost twelve thousand points just in the ABA.
Speaker 10: And if you look at a thing called Basketball Reference,
Speaker 10: which is basically the Bible of basketball stats, they split
Speaker 10: it into and NBA stats. But then they have ABA
Speaker 10: NBA combined, so you can look at all those stats.
Speaker 2: But does the Basketball Hall of Fame? Do they recognize
Speaker 2: these stats so they are combined?
Speaker 10: I got to check that, but I believe they recognize
Speaker 10: combined staffs. Lebron James is the all time leading scorer.
Speaker 2: Okay, but how many points does Doctor j officially have?
Speaker 2: ABA and NBA checking, because that's what I was curious about,
Speaker 2: and I should know that. I thought they factored both
Speaker 2: of those in or eventually got around to that.
Speaker 8: Yes, Mark, he's got thirty twenty six.
Speaker 2: Points, but he doesn't get credit for thirty thousand. Do
Speaker 2: right when Lebron was going for the You know, we
Speaker 2: talked about Karl Malone his record, Kareem's record, but I
Speaker 2: didn't hear Lebron with Doctor Jay's record getting past thirty
Speaker 2: thousand points. At least I don't remember that, do you.
Speaker 10: We're checking on that one. It's unclear how they look
Speaker 10: at it the league itself.
Speaker 2: And I know they had a three point shot with
Speaker 2: the ABA, but you had so much talent you absorbed
Speaker 2: some of those teams that you should look at those
Speaker 2: numbers and combine those numbers, just like what we're having
Speaker 2: with Major League Baseball.
Speaker 11: Yeah.
Speaker 3: See basketball reference. By the way, the original reference point
Speaker 3: for career salary game. Oh spent an incredible amount of
Speaker 3: time on that back at the Mothership looking at.
Speaker 2: Kevin Gartnett to be two hundred and fifty million dollars.
Speaker 2: Do you believe this?
Speaker 3: That didn't we just go through this with Caitlyn Clark
Speaker 3: and Lynette Woodard. Yes, where there were there were Well
Speaker 3: she's passing, Caitlyn's passing Pete Marivitch, but there's somebody that
Speaker 3: still has more.
Speaker 2: And I said, Lynette Woodard played, you know, at what
Speaker 2: Kansas and she played for the Harlem Globetrotters. It wasn't
Speaker 2: called the you know, women's basketball, wasn't the NCAA. And
Speaker 2: I said, that's that's nonsense. That Caitlyn had to surpass
Speaker 2: Lynette Woodard and then they finally recognized her, and rightfully,
Speaker 2: so you know, she was still going against collegiate talent.
Speaker 2: They just didn't recognize it. She DOUBLEA didn't. But ABA,
Speaker 2: NBA are those numbers combined, PAULI?
Speaker 5: They it appears that they're not.
Speaker 10: I'm on the NBA's website, the official NBA website, and
Speaker 10: it does not include doctor J's points in the ABA.
Speaker 2: See that's wrong.
Speaker 5: Get to go at it.
Speaker 2: I I'm trying to.
Speaker 5: I like when you're upset.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but look I got to watch some ABA games
Speaker 2: and the talent level was awesome. The game was. The
Speaker 2: ABA was like the AFL. It was fun. The NFL
Speaker 2: was boring, you know, it was like three yards in
Speaker 2: a cloud of dust. The NBA, while it did have
Speaker 2: some good players, it wasn't as exciting as the ABA.
Speaker 2: ABA was wide open, shooting the three, the red, White,
Speaker 2: Blue pall. It was great, great teams, a lot of talent.
Speaker 2: They should count that. It's kind of a shame that
Speaker 2: they don't. Now, I understand the CFL because you know
Speaker 2: different rules and how you play in the CFL with
Speaker 2: three downs, four downs, you know the amount of passing
Speaker 2: yards that you're going to have in the CFL. But
Speaker 2: Warren Moon's numbers in the CFL or Doug Flutie's numbers
Speaker 2: in the CFL, can you incorporate that, Jim Kelly's numbers
Speaker 2: in the USFL, Herschel's numbers in the USFL. Can you
Speaker 2: put it all under one umbrella? It was professional football
Speaker 2: and these players did go on to have great careers
Speaker 2: in the NFL. You know Anthony Carter when he played,
Speaker 2: I mean he had a lot of guys that played
Speaker 2: in the USFL. Steve Young, Can you put it under
Speaker 2: the all under one umbrella? There I don't know if
Speaker 2: I don't know if pro football would do that, but
Speaker 2: it is. It's called the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2: It's not called the NFL Hall of Fame. It's like
Speaker 2: it's the Basketball Hall of Fame, not the NBA Hall
Speaker 2: of Fame.
Speaker 12: Yes, Mark, Yeah, I wonder what Reggie White's stats look
Speaker 12: like combining his USFL stats along with his NFL stats,
Speaker 12: because wasn't he Obviously he was dominate, in dominant everywhere.
Speaker 2: Paulie and I were talking about the Super Bowl when
Speaker 2: he played for the Packers, when Desmond Howard won the MVP,
Speaker 2: and he's he was in the backfield the entire game,
Speaker 2: if you want to pick now, I know Desmond had
Speaker 2: a couple of if he had a kickoff return, he
Speaker 2: had a punt return that set up I think a score.
Speaker 2: Reggie White was unbelievable. He had this one move that
Speaker 2: Bowl rush and he would just you know, it was
Speaker 2: a hump a club and he would just throw these
Speaker 2: you know, three hundred pound linemen out of the way.
Speaker 2: He dominated. He truly dominated that game. Should have been MVP.
Speaker 2: He set the tone.
Speaker 12: Yes, Mark, Reggie White has the most impressive like play
Speaker 12: I've ever seen when he tosses Larry Allen. Everyone YouTube,
Speaker 12: google it, go on your Twitter machine and look up
Speaker 12: Reggie tossing the strongest man in the NFL, Larry Allen.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, a guy who players would get the Larry
Speaker 2: Allen flu because they didn't want to face him. The
Speaker 2: Dallas Cowboy tackle and Reggie White. He might have been underrated.
Speaker 2: He might have been underrated, if that's possible. Yeah, pung
Speaker 2: Reggie right.
Speaker 10: White was first team All Pro at twenty five and
Speaker 10: at age thirty seven, and a bunch of times in between.
Speaker 10: He had one hundred and ninety eight career sex secks.
Speaker 10: If you throw in his twenty six and a half,
Speaker 10: you're at two twenty four and a half. He'd be
Speaker 10: like Reggie White.
Speaker 2: But he was so much more than just that. Because
Speaker 2: it's like me and Joe Green. They they demanded double
Speaker 2: team and really you had to know where they were
Speaker 2: on the field. Those are two of the most dominant
Speaker 2: players that I ever Now. I saw Lawrence Taylor obviously,
Speaker 2: but Reggie and me and Joe Green, they were just different.
Speaker 2: There was and you know, Reggie was such a peaceful guy,
Speaker 2: but he didn't play that way. Me and Joe green,
Speaker 2: peaceful guy. He didn't play that way. Lawrence Taylor was
Speaker 2: kind of Lawrence Taylor on the field and off the field.
Speaker 2: He kind of he had a different speed limit than
Speaker 2: everybody else there. But God, Reggie White, damn unbelievable.
Speaker 12: Yes, you're right, because I think we automatically say Lawrence
Speaker 12: Taylor when you say the greatest defensive player ever, Reggie
Speaker 12: White should probably be in that. And I saw, like
Speaker 12: the end maybe the Packers Reggi White, and I didn't
Speaker 12: know about how dominant he was in Philadelphia. And then
Speaker 12: what free agency stir he calls when he became a free.
Speaker 2: Agent when he went to Green Bay said, God told
Speaker 2: him to go to Green Bay. Good choice? Is that
Speaker 2: where you go? Can I get a second opinion?
Speaker 6: God?
Speaker 2: I mean it's cold there. But he had played in Philadelphia.
Speaker 2: But when he went to Green Bay that kind of
Speaker 2: changed free agency. At least that's what I remember. It's like, Wow,
Speaker 2: you know you're gonna go where you want to go.
Speaker 2: What's best for you? And it was best for Reggie White.
Speaker 10: Yeah, PAULI, We're watching Reggie White clips and there's a
Speaker 10: play where Chris Carter tries to block him. He gets
Speaker 10: in some type of position where he has to block
Speaker 10: Reggie White. It looks like you ever play sports with
Speaker 10: your nephews and the big uncle throws some people around
Speaker 10: the yard. Yeah, poor Chris Carter, who's seems like a
Speaker 10: pretty strong dude, is getting manhandled.
Speaker 3: And that's being just short of putting him over his
Speaker 3: shoulder like that kind of thing thrown in a pool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like that's where you go. If you're Reggie White,
Speaker 2: you go, Chris. You don't want to do this, Chris,
Speaker 2: you don't want to let him go. Yeah, you don't
Speaker 2: want to do this. All right, let me take a break.
Speaker 2: So the the official stats, they gonna try to combine
Speaker 2: all of those and Josh Gibson will be the big
Speaker 2: winner here. And Josh he died. I think he had
Speaker 2: either brain humor stroke when he was around thirty five
Speaker 2: or thirty six. But he was considered on par with
Speaker 2: any catcher I ever played the game, if not better
Speaker 2: than any catcher in the history of the game. And also,
Speaker 2: you know, when you think about breaking the color barrier,
Speaker 2: Satchel Paige was too old. You want that player who's
Speaker 2: leaving the negro leagues to succeed, so then you have
Speaker 2: more players to follow, and so you're picking somebody talent,
Speaker 2: age and also temperament, because Jackie Robinson had all of those.
Speaker 2: Josh Gibson had the talent, didn't have the temperament, and
Speaker 2: Satchel Page was too old at the time. And Jackie
Speaker 2: put up obviously with a lot, had to have the
Speaker 2: correct temperament to just be able to kind of compartmentalize
Speaker 2: what was going on, even when his teammates didn't even
Speaker 2: like him. So I wish Buck O'Neill were alive today.
Speaker 2: Buck O'Neill one of my favorite people I ever interviewed,
Speaker 2: and he spoke on behalf of so many of these
Speaker 2: players from the Negro leagues that we didn't get to see,
Speaker 2: and he's the one that got some of these players
Speaker 2: into the Baseball Hall of Fame. He has to be
Speaker 2: smiling today, is he in the whole thing? I think
Speaker 2: he finally got in for contributions, okay, and I worked
Speaker 2: hard with that. There's no credit for me. I don't
Speaker 2: want that, I'm saying. I remember telling the commissioner that
Speaker 2: this has to pitch an injustice with contributions to the game.
Speaker 2: His contribution is being that scrapbook to tell everybody about
Speaker 2: these players that he played with and against in the
Speaker 2: Negro leagues and that they got into the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2: And I, you know, I'm glad that that happened forok
Speaker 2: a while, but what a wonderful man.
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Speaker 2: We'll get some more phone calls coming up. Gonna change
Speaker 2: our poll question today, Robin Orlando, Hey, Rob, welcome back.
Speaker 2: What do you have for me?
Speaker 3: Buddy?
Speaker 8: Dan?
Speaker 11: Good morning man? First all, thank you for yesterday man,
Speaker 11: great job. As always, the retrospective on Bill Walton was
Speaker 11: fantastic up fairly and George your interviews with him over
Speaker 11: the years. Also, I hate to be the show sniper,
Speaker 11: but if every day is a super Bowl, that should
Speaker 11: go for us callers too. And your call our last
Speaker 11: hour man with the Tyler Woods thing has me just
Speaker 11: scratching my head, man and rethinking and rethinking my sports
Speaker 11: you know, Mault Rushmore, Boston abilities.
Speaker 9: I mean, here's here's.
Speaker 11: What I've got though, I've got Brian Ruth, I've got
Speaker 11: Jimmy Brady, and I've got my thighs Jordan to add
Speaker 11: with Tyler Woods man.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Rob. Yeah, we had a caller who forgot
Speaker 2: Tiger's first name called him Tyler Woods. I think he
Speaker 2: might have got confused because Tyler the operator, and then
Speaker 2: maybe maybe he made a mistake and called him Tyler
Speaker 2: Woods the great golfer.
Speaker 5: Yes, I have a buddy, you guys have met.
Speaker 10: His name's Craig and he knows zero about sports, not interested,
Speaker 10: not his thing. He will know who Tiger Woods is
Speaker 10: or Lebron James. Like if you said there's a guy
Speaker 10: named Kevin Durant.
Speaker 5: He beg no idea, never heard of him.
Speaker 10: Like he's that level of ignorant, but not Tiger Woods.
Speaker 2: Luke and Charlotte. Hi, Luke, what's on your mind?
Speaker 9: Uh? Hey Luke, Hey Dan?
Speaker 2: Hey, how you doing great?
Speaker 14: I wanted to do a whose career? Would you have?
Speaker 14: Wanted to give you guys the stats blind, and then
Speaker 14: I'll stick around and tell you.
Speaker 8: Who you pick.
Speaker 2: All right? We got two quarterbacks.
Speaker 14: Quarterback A sixty four thousand yards, four hundred and eighteen touchdowns,
Speaker 14: two hundred and eleven picks, two Super Bowls, three appearances,
Speaker 14: one sixty six eighty two and one, and career earnings
Speaker 14: of two sixty seven. Quarterback B is fifty nine thousand yards,
Speaker 14: four seventy five touchdowns, one hundred and five interceptions, one
Speaker 14: super Bowl, one appearance, career earnings of three seventy eight million.
Speaker 10: Okay, Paulie, The second guy I think is Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 2: I think, Luke. Is that right?
Speaker 14: Everyone's got a guess?
Speaker 2: Oh well, PAULI just guessed for us, all right?
Speaker 14: Yeah, the second guy is Roger Polly damn, thanks Polly.
Speaker 14: Second guy there Aaron Rodgers. First guy is Ben Roethlisberger.
Speaker 2: Okay, So would I rather have Ben's numbers or Aaron
Speaker 2: Rodgers numbers? Is that what you're saying, Luke, I was what.
Speaker 15: I was saying.
Speaker 14: I guess I thought you guys were going to guess
Speaker 14: blindly and then i'd shock you.
Speaker 2: You know, thank you, thank you, Luke. See, this show
Speaker 2: is not scripted. That's why we didn't follow the script. Yes, Paul,
Speaker 2: I see what he's saying.
Speaker 10: People think Aaron Rodgers is better at the quarterback position,
Speaker 10: but Ben Roethlisberger had more success at.
Speaker 5: Two Superowl wins.
Speaker 10: Yeah, you'd prefer Roethlisberger's career, but some I think a
Speaker 10: lot of people think Rogers is better at the sport.
Speaker 3: I might take Aaron Rodgers' career. Most talented, Yes, quarterback.
Speaker 2: MVPs, Yes, more more money, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean
Speaker 2: I think Ben's okay. You're going to do okay.
Speaker 8: Oh, I don't know. I know he's doing okay.
Speaker 2: I'll think more new pole question Paulin.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we got one answer here. Lebron James is most
Speaker 3: involved in dot dot mmm, getting JJ Reddick to be
Speaker 3: the Lakers head coach, getting a Sun drafted. We could
Speaker 3: put in his own career, but I would imagine he's
Speaker 3: got a pretty good hand in that.
Speaker 2: What if we just kept it to those two. Okay,
Speaker 2: so he's more involved in JJ Reddick or his son
Speaker 2: going to the Lakers. Yes, okay, I would say JJ Reddick.
Speaker 2: Even though Brian Windhorse keeps saying that Lebron's not involved
Speaker 2: with any of these coaching hires, but it always seems
Speaker 2: like he's involved when the coaches get fired.
Speaker 3: Because so that's what we say as the media, what
Speaker 3: you brought him in, Now you want him fired?
Speaker 2: Well, okay, let's say he's not involved, but then he
Speaker 2: is involved because if he said, hey, I want Darvin
Speaker 2: Ham to stay, what's management going, Hey, you want me
Speaker 2: to stay? I want him to stick? Like, it still
Speaker 2: feels like he has some kind of impact here. You
Speaker 2: have to This is a guy who has the most
Speaker 2: curated career in basketball history, and all of a sudden
Speaker 2: he's going to play two more years and then he
Speaker 2: doesn't care who's coaching him. I just find that hard
Speaker 2: to believe. So, JJ, yeah, I think he would be
Speaker 2: involved in that. I don't know how you if you
Speaker 2: show up and you do your podcast, what happens when
Speaker 2: JJ goes, Hey, any news on the coaching higher? Oh,
Speaker 2: I'm not involved in that, JJ. I can't imagine that yeah. See.
Speaker 3: It does seem weird to me though, that, like, if
Speaker 3: Lebron is involved in all these coaching searches, he's like,
Speaker 3: all right, you guys want me in La, no problem,
Speaker 3: I'll go there, but get me Frank Vogel. I just
Speaker 3: Frank Voge. I just can't imagine that. He's like, all right,
Speaker 3: I'll sign twenty eighteen. All right, I'll sign, but within
Speaker 3: one year I need Frank Vogel here.
Speaker 2: They might say, here are candidates. I don't know. It's
Speaker 2: it's either hey, if you don't bring him in, then
Speaker 2: I don't want to go. I'm not signing.
Speaker 5: That'll say.
Speaker 2: How many players have said that before.
Speaker 3: I just can't imagine that's those words came out of
Speaker 3: his mouth.
Speaker 2: Yes, Marvin and the.
Speaker 12: One guy that he did want he won a championship with,
Speaker 12: and the Lakers are like, no, no, no, that's quite
Speaker 12: all right, No, thank you will take that.
Speaker 2: That's where Lebron should have said, I'm going to pay
Speaker 2: the rest of Tylo's salary. We're getting Tylu in here.
Speaker 2: When they you know, the Clippers paid more for him.
Speaker 2: Then Lebron could have been involved, truly involved in the
Speaker 2: coaching higher ty I'm going to give you four million
Speaker 2: dollars of my own money for you to coach me.
Speaker 2: Let me see Mark in South Bend High Mark, what's
Speaker 2: on your mind?
Speaker 9: Hey Dan?
Speaker 15: How you doing? I think that's great news that they're
Speaker 15: gonna meil the old National Negro League records with the
Speaker 15: major league records and all the professional baseball records. There
Speaker 15: was one gentleman who was a Uucorn in his day
Speaker 15: who was a great hitter and great pitcher. His name
Speaker 15: was Rober Bullet Joe Rogan, and he played from nineteen
Speaker 15: twenty to nineteen thirty one. He had a career record
Speaker 15: of one hundred and ten wins and about fifty four
Speaker 15: losses ERA in the mid twies and hitting he.
Speaker 9: Was a career hitter.
Speaker 15: When he wasn't pitching, he could play all three outfield positions,
Speaker 15: first and second career Major National Midlea League batting average
Speaker 15: up three thirty six, and his OPS was in the
Speaker 15: low nine hundreds right around with Joey Baudel's career OPS
Speaker 15: is right now.
Speaker 2: All right, Well, thank you Mark for a shout out
Speaker 2: to Wilber Bullet Joe Rogan. I love his podcast, Yes, poll.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I just looked him up. I hadn't heard about him.
Speaker 10: Bullet Rogan, he was one twenty and fifty two. Is
Speaker 10: a career as a pitcher, leading the league in complete
Speaker 10: games four different times. Played for the Kansas City Monarchs.
Speaker 10: Okay in the knee release and then as a hitter.
Speaker 5: I have him them.
Speaker 10: Uh career three thirty eight average and uh about fifty home.
Speaker 12: Runs, PAULI do looking on this tomorrow me and seeing
Speaker 12: we're talking about this earlier. The uniforms for the Negro leagues, amazing,
Speaker 12: great names.
Speaker 8: All of that.
Speaker 2: Why don't you do a look in on it? Oh?
Speaker 8: Maybe I should? Yeah, yeah, negro oh leagues.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, Paul did.
Speaker 10: Birmingham Black bearons. Their hats had triple B on them.
Speaker 10: They got quite popular, like in the two thousands. They
Speaker 10: were very cool. You can get them on different websits.
Speaker 3: Yes, like the Grays, the Monarch Yeah yeah. Crawfords, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Were they the crawd Edge Crawford Pittsburgh. I think it
Speaker 3: was Crawfish Crawford, Crawford's Crawfords, Yeah, crawf Ford.
Speaker 12: Like the Homestead Grades. They weren't like the Pittsburgh Grays.
Speaker 12: I don't know what that meant.
Speaker 2: But uh, Christian Maryland, Hi, Chris, what's on your mind?
Speaker 2: Come on, thank Chris.
Speaker 16: Okay, I'm calling in to make a bet for football.
Speaker 16: I'm ready now if.
Speaker 2: You all are interested, Okay, here we go, Okay, so
Speaker 2: here we go.
Speaker 16: I'm willing to bet that our Chargers are going to
Speaker 16: finish either five or six in the playoff race. If
Speaker 16: I am right, my request would be a signed photocopy
Speaker 16: of the Simpsons poster for my man cave. If I
Speaker 16: am wrong, meaning they finish one through four, seven or
Speaker 16: they're out, I will send you all seventy five bucks
Speaker 16: for the meat for meat Friday.
Speaker 10: Yeah, Paul, Yeah, we're taking this. A photocopy doesn't cost
Speaker 10: us anything free meat, all right?
Speaker 2: So they have to finish fifth or sixth? Is that
Speaker 2: what you're saying, Chris?
Speaker 16: Yeah, fifth or six. I have faith that they will
Speaker 16: finish fifth or six. I don't think they're going to
Speaker 16: win the division, and I just feel like they're going
Speaker 16: to make it higher than the seven seed. So they
Speaker 16: got to finish five or six. If it's anything else.
Speaker 4: I lose allay.
Speaker 2: Well, thank you, Chris, PAULI you'll take you up on that.
Speaker 2: The photocopy of the Simpsons.
Speaker 5: Not the original a photocopy.
Speaker 2: So what's over?
Speaker 3: Yeah, as long as it's Yeah, if it's only cost
Speaker 3: seventy five dollars, I'll I'll give you eighty.
Speaker 2: H Nicholas in Washington, Hey, Nick, what's on your mind today?
Speaker 17: Hey, how's a going down fan?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 17: So I've got a little quall with this carrying the
Speaker 17: stats over things. So now you're telling me if I
Speaker 17: went to the USFL and killed it and then I
Speaker 17: went to the NFL and did mediocre, you're going to
Speaker 17: carry over all my touchdowns over the NFL because you're
Speaker 17: playing a different caliber player. So I don't really in
Speaker 17: my opinion that shouldn't you should have a math pick
Speaker 17: next to your name then.
Speaker 2: So you're not in favor of baseball doing this, not.
Speaker 17: I mean ultimately not really because what's next. You know,
Speaker 17: they're going to put the NFL up for it and
Speaker 17: people are going to be in different leagues.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they didn't allow these players to play in Major
Speaker 2: League Baseball, and by all accounts, a lot of the
Speaker 2: players they were playing with were Hall of Fame worthy,
Speaker 2: were star quality, and when they did have barnstorming teams,
Speaker 2: they did play against all White teams, Satchel Page and
Speaker 2: Josh Gibson. Uh, you know they had they had a
Speaker 2: lot of success when they played against these teams, but
Speaker 2: they didn't get an opportunity to play in Major League Baseball.
Speaker 17: And that's probably true, but ultimately it's the MLB. So
Speaker 17: that's the Krendela cram. So, but you're going to put
Speaker 17: their stats up to, you know, next to everybody who
Speaker 17: was already in there and add on to it.
Speaker 2: Well, that's what they decided to do. Major League Baseball
Speaker 2: has decided to do that, And I have no problem.
Speaker 9: So the A B A.
Speaker 2: If you watch the ABA and you understand the talent
Speaker 2: that was in the ABA, they had a rival league
Speaker 2: with a lot of talent, and they did absorb some
Speaker 2: of those teams into the NBA. I have no problem
Speaker 2: if you want to combine those stats in the ABA
Speaker 2: with what you did in the NBA. It's called the
Speaker 2: Basketball Hall of Fame. It's not called the NBA Hall
Speaker 2: of Fame. It's called the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2: It's not called the NFL Hall of Fame. And if
Speaker 2: you want to combine stats with what somebody did, like
Speaker 2: what what stats really do you care about? Anymore, give
Speaker 2: me something where you go, boy, I hope that's never broken.
Speaker 2: Is there a stat that you're really holding onto or
Speaker 2: you're concerned or maybe threatened? I mean, Hank Aaron, once
Speaker 2: his was broken, I was done. I didn't care if
Speaker 2: they were letting these guys take performance in dancing drugs
Speaker 2: and they were going to you know, blow past Hank Aaron,
Speaker 2: I didn't care. You're done. I didn't it. And it
Speaker 2: used to be. You know that we knew Ty Cobb.
Speaker 9: You know, four.
Speaker 2: Ninety one hits or was it four thousand and one
Speaker 2: or ninety two?
Speaker 16: Uh?
Speaker 2: You know, go through all these single season numbers, a
Speaker 2: fifty six game hitting streak, I mean, all of these
Speaker 2: numbers with we hold onto baseball numbers, football numbers. Nobody
Speaker 2: cares about basketball, all right, you want to do the
Speaker 2: all time scoring leader, But after that, like what numbers
Speaker 2: are you really you know, holding on too obsessed with?
Speaker 2: Just tell the history of sports, all right. I mean,
Speaker 2: guys in the ABA couldn't play in the NBA, didn't
Speaker 2: get a chance to playing in the NBA, would have
Speaker 2: loved to have played. They absorbed some of the teams,
Speaker 2: put four teams into the NBA. So they did value
Speaker 2: they took the three point shot. They did value what
Speaker 2: they were doing there. I don't have any problem with that.
Speaker 2: Now the CFLs different because it's just different rules. So
Speaker 2: if you want to say, Warren Moon, who won what
Speaker 2: six great Cups? Okay, you put it on his plaque
Speaker 2: he did play football, they wouldn't. They wouldn't have a
Speaker 2: black quarterback in the NFL. He didn't get drafted. So
Speaker 2: I don't get caught up in the numbers the way
Speaker 2: I used to. Yeah, Paul, you know who.
Speaker 10: Had benefit the most that the NBA took all leagues
Speaker 10: around the world and incorporated into basketball stats Stefan Marbury
Speaker 10: or Jim or Ferdett match if the Chinese league stats converted.
Speaker 2: That might be stretching in a little bit, just a
Speaker 2: little bit there. I might be able to get a
Speaker 2: bucket or two in the Chinese league. Yes, Mark did
Speaker 2: Warmon go to Washington. Yeah, he was the Rose Bowl MVP.
Speaker 8: And they said we're not sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well you go to camp because and he wasn't
Speaker 2: a running quarterback, he was a passing quarterback. Yeah. Wild
Speaker 2: all right, Let take a break, last call for phone calls.
Speaker 2: What we learned watch in store tomorrow. We'll try to
Speaker 2: do that right after this.
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Speaker 2: Last call for phone calls what we learned store tomorrow
Speaker 2: as we bring you perspective Wednesday. It's Wisdom Wednesday here
Speaker 2: where we just kind of slow the paste down a
Speaker 2: little bit. Let the sports world breathe don't need to
Speaker 2: have a hot tape.
Speaker 5: Relax.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's okay, let it play out. Caitlin Clark may
Speaker 2: turn out to be pretty good in the w n
Speaker 2: b A. Give her a little bit of time.
Speaker 8: When do you some.
Speaker 12: Some light music underneath Wisdom Wednesday?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 5: Luke warm takes.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be.
Speaker 2: Reggie and Mississippi joins us on the program. Good morning, Reggie,
Speaker 2: what's on your mind?
Speaker 9: Kay?
Speaker 8: Listen?
Speaker 9: Uh? Chris Haynes hairline, Oh my gosh, I'd give a
Speaker 9: I'll give my left foot for that haircut. But the
Speaker 9: Major League historian, I was really moved by that, and
Speaker 9: that makes me feel really good. Real quick. Bail who
Speaker 9: grew up not far from where I where I live. Uh,
Speaker 9: I heard stories. He was so fast he would slip
Speaker 9: the switch and be under the covers in the bed
Speaker 9: before the room got dark.
Speaker 2: All right, Reggie, thank you. Yeah, i'd heard that as well.
Speaker 2: That's how fast he was. Uh, Jeff, Yeah.
Speaker 10: That's from a Billy Crystal bit when Billy Crystal was
Speaker 10: on SNL. Him and I think his name's Christopher Guest. Yes,
Speaker 10: they used to do this bit where they were gold
Speaker 10: Negro League ballplayer players and they would tell stories about
Speaker 10: old players and they would constantly one up each other,
Speaker 10: like he goes he was so fast. He had a
Speaker 10: line drive and got hit in the head with the
Speaker 10: ball going to the second base.
Speaker 2: Christopher Guest, who did best in show? He waiting for
Speaker 2: Guffman and he's married to Uh Jamie Lee Curtis.
Speaker 5: Whoa you bear to leave?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Christopher Guests. Jeff in South Carolina? Hi, Jeff, what's
Speaker 2: on your mind?
Speaker 18: Hey bug? Listening forever five to nine? Kind of form
Speaker 18: two hundred throw back in the day forty inch waist
Speaker 18: if you remember those days. I got to see Satul
Speaker 18: Page pitch around nineteen Thank you sixty one. My grandma
Speaker 18: took me to the old Cleveland in the game and
Speaker 18: he screw seven in the stretched and even as a
Speaker 18: young boy, I could see that ball fights for herew
Speaker 18: some pitches that he had bad as the first one
Speaker 18: of those things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Sachel pitched into his fifties.
Speaker 8: I believe.
Speaker 2: Uh, thank you, Jeff, Tim, and Iowa, Hi Tim, what's
Speaker 2: on your mind today?
Speaker 9: Hey?
Speaker 2: D be gammy there, bud yep, I got you.
Speaker 9: Hey, I heard you were.
Speaker 4: Talking auctioneer stuff earlier. I didn't know if you guys
Speaker 4: wanted me to give you a little spiel. Fritzy had
Speaker 4: something he wanted me to auction off for him. I
Speaker 4: am a certified auctioneer, so if you want to give
Speaker 4: it to me, we can start it out.
Speaker 9: Well.
Speaker 2: I was curious about if you were an auctioneer, would
Speaker 2: you be a good play by play guy in hockey
Speaker 2: and vice versa, because you have to be pretty rapid
Speaker 2: with your words there. Uh, what if I started the
Speaker 2: bid at twenty dollars to take over as my main
Speaker 2: booker for Fritzy.
Speaker 4: That'll be fine, hoping he it will be twenty dollars,
Speaker 4: he'd been twenty five, five, five, thirty nine, it'd been
Speaker 4: thirty dollars. Nine have been thirty five and then want
Speaker 4: back into thirty dollars. We're gonna sell it thirty dollars.
Speaker 4: Then we wanted back on thirty year five bid money
Speaker 4: in a twenty five.
Speaker 2: You're gonna sell it a thousand five dollars, A thousand dollars,
Speaker 2: A thousand dollars gotta be one thousand dollars.
Speaker 9: From the big man in the back row. It's gonna
Speaker 9: take over for Fritzley. What do you say? Thousand dollars?
Speaker 9: Sold it right there? Had a boy?
Speaker 2: Uh, how do you become an auctioneer?
Speaker 9: Well, the ain't true story.
Speaker 4: When I was a kid playing baseball, I was a
Speaker 4: big chatter, you know, the Paris Muller, a better swing batter. Yeah,
Speaker 4: self taught, went went to Continental Auctioneer School Mason City, Iowa.
Speaker 4: And and a little fun fact where I'm actually doing
Speaker 4: a play by play for our local ballad network tonight
Speaker 4: for our baseball game.
Speaker 2: That's so you went to college to be an auctioneer.
Speaker 4: I went to college to be a school teacher and
Speaker 4: a coach. And then later on in life, I got
Speaker 4: into selling construction equipment, and uh started doing some charity
Speaker 4: auctions for fun and went and just got the certification.
Speaker 4: So I do auctions for make a wish, do some
Speaker 4: uh done one for you and I have you and
Speaker 4: I Panthers the Missouri Valley fans. Done some for those
Speaker 4: guys and some other foundations just around the area. So yeah,
Speaker 4: kind of self taught, but got the piece of paper
Speaker 4: that says I kind of know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2: Well, thank you, Tim, Thank you for sharing.
Speaker 10: Yes, confirmed Continental Auctioneer School, Buffalo Center, Iowa, right off
Speaker 10: Highway nine.
Speaker 8: Man.
Speaker 10: Oh, they do not have a football team anymore, but
Speaker 10: uh there, I'm still in business.
Speaker 2: You should send one of us there they five two hundred.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get down. Yeah.
Speaker 3: See that's the thing is the part in the middle
Speaker 3: where it's like it's not the like, hey we got five,
Speaker 3: we got five, we got it's a good.
Speaker 2: They do that little like what is that word, PAULI
Speaker 2: give me this day in sports history.
Speaker 5: A little auction are score.
Speaker 10: Let's see nineteen twenty two, the New York Giants won
Speaker 10: their seventeenth consecutive road game. The first running the Indy
Speaker 10: five hundred was run in nineteen eleven. AJ fort and
Speaker 10: seventy seven one is fourth Indy five hundred and oh
Speaker 10: here's old school baseball nineteen ninety Rickey Henderson stole base
Speaker 10: number eight ninety three, breaking Ty Cobbs record.
Speaker 2: Okay, one of my there's a couple of my favorites here.
Speaker 2: Nineteen seventy six. This pitcher hit the only home run
Speaker 2: of his twenty two year career, and he hit it
Speaker 2: off his brother. Joe Nicro hit his only home run
Speaker 2: off his brother Phil Nicro. How crazy is that? Also,
Speaker 2: Sir Edmund Hillary and Sherpa guide Tenzing Norgay became the
Speaker 2: first people to climb this to the summit of Mount Evers.
Speaker 2: First of all, it should be the Sherpa guide Tenzing
Speaker 2: Norgay and Sir Edmund Hillary. He carried all the equipment. Yeah,
Speaker 2: how does the sherpa get short changed?
Speaker 8: Here?
Speaker 2: Always Sir Sir Edmund Hillary and the other guy?
Speaker 5: Can you take the shirp off his back for you too?
Speaker 8: Give him some credit?
Speaker 9: Thank you?
Speaker 2: Tom quiet day for you today? Yeah, Kirk, what it's
Speaker 2: all right, we'll get him tomorrow. What'd you learn today?
Speaker 12: Ton Michael Jordan didn't win anything until like age twenty seven,
Speaker 12: so let's be fair at twenty two year.
Speaker 2: Old Anthony Edwards with the expectations in comparison Seaton O'Connor.
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