WEBVTT - Hour 3 – Wisdom Wednesday, John Thorn 0:00:00.720 --> 0:00:03.559 You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox 0:00:03.600 --> 0:00:05.240 Sports Radio Final Hour. 0:00:05.280 --> 0:00:11.760 In this Wednesday, is it patience Wednesday? Perspective Wednesday? Trying 0:00:11.800 --> 0:00:13.520 to add some perspective here today? 0:00:13.600 --> 0:00:15.240 I was trying to find a word, because I don't 0:00:15.240 --> 0:00:18.919 know how much we love alliteration, a W word that 0:00:19.720 --> 0:00:21.840 would go with Wednesday. 0:00:21.400 --> 0:00:24.880 Like wisdom Wednesday. Oh, wisdom Wednesday. 0:00:24.960 --> 0:00:25.280 Damnit. 0:00:25.360 --> 0:00:26.479 See I've been spending two. 0:00:26.440 --> 0:00:28.560 Hours thinking about that. Why can you just ask me 0:00:29.400 --> 0:00:32.280 lesson learned? Yeah, that you know what that is? Then wisdom? 0:00:32.400 --> 0:00:36.040 Yeah, thank you, thank you. Paulie hates a literation for 0:00:36.159 --> 0:00:37.959 somebody whose name is Paul. 0:00:37.800 --> 0:00:38.960 Papps amongst the reasons. 0:00:39.040 --> 0:00:40.960 Yes, I think that's why. Yeah, I think that's why. 0:00:41.000 --> 0:00:43.279 But did they call you pep a little bit? 0:00:43.479 --> 0:00:45.879 I got a lot. Yeah, it didn't really bother me 0:00:45.880 --> 0:00:46.199 that much. 0:00:46.240 --> 0:00:48.920 Yeah, of course, is that sticking with you fifty years later? 0:00:49.000 --> 0:00:51.280 Yeah, I'm completely over. I'm over. 0:00:51.720 --> 0:00:52.200 I'm over. 0:00:52.360 --> 0:00:55.840 First day of kindergarten app ruined the whole life. 0:00:56.360 --> 0:00:58.400 I was a little guy too, I couldn't really defend myself. 0:00:58.560 --> 0:01:02.400 Kids can be so brutal. Oh my gosh, that mean 0:01:02.520 --> 0:01:05.480 worst they are, and they go they go right for 0:01:05.520 --> 0:01:08.000 the jugular. I mean they want it to hurt a 0:01:08.080 --> 0:01:10.800 little bit and they make fun of you. Eight seven 0:01:10.840 --> 0:01:13.920 to seven to three. DP Show email Addressdpadanpatrick dot com, 0:01:13.959 --> 0:01:16.200 Twitter handle ADP Show. Make sure you check out our 0:01:16.520 --> 0:01:21.160 YouTube channel also Fox Sports Radio, iHeartRadio. Thank you for 0:01:21.280 --> 0:01:24.480 all the great things that you do for us and Peacock, 0:01:24.640 --> 0:01:27.000 our streaming partner. Download the app if you haven't done so. 0:01:27.160 --> 0:01:31.600 Stars Oilers Game four tonight Timberwolfs beat the MAVs. Is 0:01:32.280 --> 0:01:35.600 hope or false hope? MAVs go up three games to one. 0:01:35.920 --> 0:01:39.680 Caitlin Clark had thirty in a loss, and baseball has 0:01:39.800 --> 0:01:43.560 revamped its statistical history. And the man who's responsible for 0:01:43.600 --> 0:01:47.000 this he is the official historian of Major League Baseball, 0:01:47.520 --> 0:01:51.240 John Thorn, who joins us. John, explain what you've been 0:01:51.320 --> 0:01:53.520 doing and how long you've been doing it to get 0:01:53.520 --> 0:01:54.520 to this point today. 0:01:55.280 --> 0:01:59.760 Of course, Dan, first of all, to indicate that many 0:02:00.320 --> 0:02:03.520 have made light the work I am, by no means 0:02:03.560 --> 0:02:08.120 the most important person in this entire scenario. It's people 0:02:08.200 --> 0:02:11.520 like Larry Lester and Gary Ashwell and Kevin Johnson who 0:02:11.560 --> 0:02:16.120 have been the diggers who have been reading black newspapers 0:02:16.120 --> 0:02:20.360 on microfilm and microfiche for decades and now some of 0:02:20.400 --> 0:02:25.000 that has been digitized. But it is the research effort 0:02:25.200 --> 0:02:31.040 that we memorialized with the Committee to Review Negro League Statistics, 0:02:31.400 --> 0:02:37.400 whereby we set some policies for leaderboards, in particular single 0:02:37.440 --> 0:02:43.680 season leader boards and career leader boards that have upturned 0:02:43.720 --> 0:02:44.760 the baseball world. 0:02:45.520 --> 0:02:49.400 Okay, do you have to have for something to be validated? 0:02:50.000 --> 0:02:51.200 You have to have a box score. 0:02:52.639 --> 0:02:57.400 Absolutely, you have to have a score, because, as you know, 0:02:57.600 --> 0:03:02.680 baseball is a double entry account system, whereby every out 0:03:02.840 --> 0:03:05.160 made at the plate is reflected in. 0:03:05.160 --> 0:03:08.040 An out made in the field, either a pitcher catcher 0:03:08.520 --> 0:03:12.400 strikeout or a grounder to short that's an assist for 0:03:12.440 --> 0:03:16.280 the shortstop and a putout for the first basement. Absence 0:03:16.360 --> 0:03:21.399 that balance, and if we started to intrude anecdotal evidence 0:03:21.480 --> 0:03:26.480 into the database, the balance of MLB's history since eighteen 0:03:26.600 --> 0:03:28.320 seventy six would be destroyed. 0:03:28.880 --> 0:03:33.360 What has changed as far as individual as far as 0:03:33.400 --> 0:03:37.200 an individual like Josh Gibson or an individual category season, 0:03:37.720 --> 0:03:39.880 give us the statistical fallout from this. 0:03:40.920 --> 0:03:45.240 The leaderboards will have changed, and Josh Gibson is the 0:03:45.280 --> 0:03:51.520 single season leader in batting average and slugging and ops. 0:03:51.720 --> 0:03:56.520 But he's already been memorialized in bronze at the Baseball 0:03:56.560 --> 0:04:00.280 Hall of Fame, like many of his others. But there 0:04:00.320 --> 0:04:03.320 are twenty three hundred players, some of whom were in 0:04:03.360 --> 0:04:07.360 for a cup of coffee or an inconsequential season in 0:04:07.400 --> 0:04:11.200 a league that didn't last very long. And it's these players, 0:04:11.520 --> 0:04:16.640 these individuals whose families can now point to their name 0:04:16.760 --> 0:04:20.160 in the record book and say he was a major leaguer. 0:04:20.839 --> 0:04:25.400 How many home runs did Josh Gibson officially hit? Officially? 0:04:25.800 --> 0:04:29.119 I believe the number is one seventy four in league play. 0:04:29.760 --> 0:04:32.720 Is Hall of Fame plaque reads that he hit nearly 0:04:32.839 --> 0:04:38.320 eight hundred in some combination of league and independent ball. 0:04:38.440 --> 0:04:42.680 But independent ball is barnstorming ball, and you never know 0:04:42.720 --> 0:04:46.159 what the quality of the opposition was, whether it's semi pro, 0:04:46.839 --> 0:04:52.400 whether it's amateur. Because the Negro leagues, with their shortened seasons, 0:04:52.920 --> 0:04:58.359 their shortened league seasons, were compelled to play lots of games, 0:04:59.000 --> 0:05:03.840 more so than in order to keep the revenue stream flowing. 0:05:04.800 --> 0:05:07.520 Will there be asterisk in the record books. 0:05:07.920 --> 0:05:12.440 There will be no asterisks, just as the prospect of 0:05:12.480 --> 0:05:16.440 an asterisk go along aside. Roger Maris's sixty one homers 0:05:16.560 --> 0:05:24.400 way back when never was actualized. It is MLB policy 0:05:25.080 --> 0:05:29.159 that there is one continuous record from eighteen seventy six 0:05:29.760 --> 0:05:35.200 to the present day, and not a single statistic bears 0:05:35.240 --> 0:05:37.080 an asterisk or a footnote. 0:05:37.600 --> 0:05:39.960 And it's not just the Negro leagues. There are other 0:05:40.040 --> 0:05:43.839 leagues that are incorporated in this whole process. 0:05:44.839 --> 0:05:49.400 Sure, there are defunct major leagues, and many of our 0:05:49.440 --> 0:05:53.120 listeners will not have heard of the American Association as 0:05:53.120 --> 0:05:56.120 a ten year major eighteen eighty two to eighteen ninety one, 0:05:56.520 --> 0:05:59.039 or the Union Association of eighteen eighty four, or the 0:05:59.080 --> 0:06:01.640 Players League of a teen ninety or the Federal League 0:06:01.640 --> 0:06:05.640 of nineteen fourteen and fifteen. But these leagues were deemed 0:06:06.040 --> 0:06:10.000 to be major league caliber back in nineteen sixty nine, 0:06:10.480 --> 0:06:14.039 and all of those players' records are in the database. 0:06:14.839 --> 0:06:18.279 He is the official historian of Major League Baseball, John Thorne. 0:06:18.800 --> 0:06:20.320 That's a pretty good title there. Do you have a 0:06:20.360 --> 0:06:23.760 business card? I do have a business nice. I like that. 0:06:24.279 --> 0:06:26.240 I sometimes had it to my wife. 0:06:25.960 --> 0:06:28.760 What's the coolest thing in your library? 0:06:28.760 --> 0:06:29.000 There? 0:06:30.480 --> 0:06:35.080 The coolest thing might be the oil painting of Jim 0:06:35.160 --> 0:06:41.520 Boughten my pal okay, the Knickerbocker Pennant, which was the 0:06:41.560 --> 0:06:46.479 first flag flown over the Knickerbocker Baseball Club clubhouse in 0:06:46.560 --> 0:06:47.640 eighteen fifty five. 0:06:48.760 --> 0:06:51.400 You remember when Ball four came out with Jim Boughten. 0:06:52.120 --> 0:06:56.160 If that came out now, that would be like nobody 0:06:56.160 --> 0:06:58.960 would even think twice. But back then in nineteen seventy, 0:06:59.000 --> 0:07:01.000 it's like, oh my gosh, here's an athlete who is 0:07:01.080 --> 0:07:04.200 spilling on his teammates and what it's like on the road. 0:07:05.279 --> 0:07:07.479 And it was an athlete's own voice. It was not 0:07:07.600 --> 0:07:11.400 a ghost written job as so many of the player 0:07:11.520 --> 0:07:16.200 autobiographies or the Christy Matthewson books, the King Kelly books, 0:07:16.280 --> 0:07:18.400 the cap ans and books, they were all ghosted. 0:07:19.120 --> 0:07:22.280 It's great to talk to you, John, congratulations on the 0:07:22.320 --> 0:07:25.960 process and everybody else in Uh in this Uh did 0:07:26.000 --> 0:07:29.000 Babe did did Babe Ruth actually call his shot in 0:07:29.040 --> 0:07:30.560 the World Series? No? 0:07:30.840 --> 0:07:36.960 There is some eight millimeter footage of the Babe and point. 0:07:37.120 --> 0:07:42.240 He's pointing to the Cubs clubhouse where he was being razzed. 0:07:42.800 --> 0:07:47.360 And if you view this footage from the wrong perspective, 0:07:47.480 --> 0:07:50.040 you think he's pointing to center field, but he wasn't. 0:07:51.200 --> 0:07:52.720 It was a joke for Ruth too. 0:07:54.520 --> 0:07:59.120 He kind of ruined that story there, John, thanks for 0:07:59.200 --> 0:08:02.520 joining us, and again, congratulations to everybody involved in this. 0:08:03.240 --> 0:08:06.520 My pleasure, Dan, that's John Thorne, the official historian of 0:08:06.560 --> 0:08:09.960 Major League Baseball. It's a big title there. Now, I'm wondering, 0:08:11.640 --> 0:08:14.680 let's say we looked at other sports there, ABA NBA 0:08:15.680 --> 0:08:22.080 combine that? Right? Can you look at Canadian Football League 0:08:22.800 --> 0:08:25.480 and factor that in with the Pro Football Hall of 0:08:25.560 --> 0:08:29.280 Fame NFL numbers? How about USFL with herschel Walker's numbers? 0:08:29.280 --> 0:08:29.559 There? 0:08:31.520 --> 0:08:36.120 Does do those sports get around to doing that? The ABA? 0:08:36.240 --> 0:08:39.560 I certainly understand because of the teams they absorbed and 0:08:39.640 --> 0:08:43.280 the great players that were there. How many points does 0:08:43.320 --> 0:08:46.520 doctor J have? Marvin? Do we know if PAULI, do 0:08:46.559 --> 0:08:46.880 you have that? 0:08:47.160 --> 0:08:48.320 Yeah? I got doctor J. 0:08:48.440 --> 0:08:52.160 Julius Irving having almost twelve thousand points just in the ABA. 0:08:52.960 --> 0:08:55.560 And if you look at a thing called Basketball Reference, 0:08:55.600 --> 0:08:59.280 which is basically the Bible of basketball stats, they split 0:08:59.320 --> 0:09:02.560 it into and NBA stats. But then they have ABA 0:09:02.679 --> 0:09:04.720 NBA combined, so you can look at all those stats. 0:09:06.000 --> 0:09:09.239 But does the Basketball Hall of Fame? Do they recognize 0:09:09.280 --> 0:09:11.320 these stats so they are combined? 0:09:11.440 --> 0:09:14.239 I got to check that, but I believe they recognize 0:09:14.240 --> 0:09:17.160 combined staffs. Lebron James is the all time leading scorer. 0:09:17.240 --> 0:09:21.040 Okay, but how many points does Doctor j officially have? 0:09:22.160 --> 0:09:26.200 ABA and NBA checking, because that's what I was curious about, 0:09:26.720 --> 0:09:29.640 and I should know that. I thought they factored both 0:09:29.640 --> 0:09:31.520 of those in or eventually got around to that. 0:09:31.600 --> 0:09:34.680 Yes, Mark, he's got thirty twenty six. 0:09:34.480 --> 0:09:37.199 Points, but he doesn't get credit for thirty thousand. Do 0:09:40.280 --> 0:09:43.080 right when Lebron was going for the You know, we 0:09:43.120 --> 0:09:47.840 talked about Karl Malone his record, Kareem's record, but I 0:09:47.840 --> 0:09:51.800 didn't hear Lebron with Doctor Jay's record getting past thirty 0:09:51.840 --> 0:09:54.360 thousand points. At least I don't remember that, do you. 0:09:55.160 --> 0:09:57.680 We're checking on that one. It's unclear how they look 0:09:57.679 --> 0:09:59.240 at it the league itself. 0:10:00.040 --> 0:10:01.680 And I know they had a three point shot with 0:10:01.760 --> 0:10:04.280 the ABA, but you had so much talent you absorbed 0:10:04.280 --> 0:10:07.040 some of those teams that you should look at those 0:10:07.120 --> 0:10:10.040 numbers and combine those numbers, just like what we're having 0:10:10.080 --> 0:10:11.280 with Major League Baseball. 0:10:11.760 --> 0:10:11.960 Yeah. 0:10:12.000 --> 0:10:15.240 See basketball reference. By the way, the original reference point 0:10:15.320 --> 0:10:18.280 for career salary game. Oh spent an incredible amount of 0:10:18.320 --> 0:10:20.520 time on that back at the Mothership looking at. 0:10:20.679 --> 0:10:23.080 Kevin Gartnett to be two hundred and fifty million dollars. 0:10:23.120 --> 0:10:23.800 Do you believe this? 0:10:25.000 --> 0:10:27.560 That didn't we just go through this with Caitlyn Clark 0:10:27.679 --> 0:10:31.199 and Lynette Woodard. Yes, where there were there were Well 0:10:31.280 --> 0:10:34.160 she's passing, Caitlyn's passing Pete Marivitch, but there's somebody that 0:10:34.280 --> 0:10:35.080 still has more. 0:10:36.280 --> 0:10:40.320 And I said, Lynette Woodard played, you know, at what 0:10:40.600 --> 0:10:44.560 Kansas and she played for the Harlem Globetrotters. It wasn't 0:10:44.600 --> 0:10:47.679 called the you know, women's basketball, wasn't the NCAA. And 0:10:47.720 --> 0:10:51.559 I said, that's that's nonsense. That Caitlyn had to surpass 0:10:51.640 --> 0:10:54.480 Lynette Woodard and then they finally recognized her, and rightfully, 0:10:54.559 --> 0:10:58.480 so you know, she was still going against collegiate talent. 0:10:58.559 --> 0:11:02.439 They just didn't recognize it. She DOUBLEA didn't. But ABA, 0:11:02.640 --> 0:11:05.760 NBA are those numbers combined, PAULI? 0:11:05.920 --> 0:11:07.280 They it appears that they're not. 0:11:07.400 --> 0:11:10.360 I'm on the NBA's website, the official NBA website, and 0:11:10.400 --> 0:11:13.160 it does not include doctor J's points in the ABA. 0:11:13.559 --> 0:11:14.280 See that's wrong. 0:11:15.160 --> 0:11:15.960 Get to go at it. 0:11:16.040 --> 0:11:17.679 I I'm trying to. 0:11:18.559 --> 0:11:19.440 I like when you're upset. 0:11:19.600 --> 0:11:23.400 Yeah, but look I got to watch some ABA games 0:11:24.040 --> 0:11:28.439 and the talent level was awesome. The game was. The 0:11:28.480 --> 0:11:34.200 ABA was like the AFL. It was fun. The NFL 0:11:34.440 --> 0:11:38.560 was boring, you know, it was like three yards in 0:11:38.640 --> 0:11:43.040 a cloud of dust. The NBA, while it did have 0:11:43.080 --> 0:11:46.079 some good players, it wasn't as exciting as the ABA. 0:11:46.880 --> 0:11:49.560 ABA was wide open, shooting the three, the red, White, 0:11:49.600 --> 0:11:53.720 Blue pall. It was great, great teams, a lot of talent. 0:11:55.040 --> 0:11:57.600 They should count that. It's kind of a shame that 0:11:57.640 --> 0:12:00.560 they don't. Now, I understand the CFL because you know 0:12:00.920 --> 0:12:03.840 different rules and how you play in the CFL with 0:12:03.960 --> 0:12:07.680 three downs, four downs, you know the amount of passing 0:12:07.760 --> 0:12:10.200 yards that you're going to have in the CFL. But 0:12:10.440 --> 0:12:13.920 Warren Moon's numbers in the CFL or Doug Flutie's numbers 0:12:13.960 --> 0:12:19.319 in the CFL, can you incorporate that, Jim Kelly's numbers 0:12:19.360 --> 0:12:25.040 in the USFL, Herschel's numbers in the USFL. Can you 0:12:25.040 --> 0:12:29.520 put it all under one umbrella? It was professional football 0:12:31.120 --> 0:12:33.480 and these players did go on to have great careers 0:12:33.480 --> 0:12:36.760 in the NFL. You know Anthony Carter when he played, 0:12:36.960 --> 0:12:38.760 I mean he had a lot of guys that played 0:12:38.800 --> 0:12:42.360 in the USFL. Steve Young, Can you put it under 0:12:42.520 --> 0:12:46.439 the all under one umbrella? There I don't know if 0:12:46.440 --> 0:12:48.880 I don't know if pro football would do that, but 0:12:48.920 --> 0:12:50.840 it is. It's called the Pro Football Hall of Fame. 0:12:50.840 --> 0:12:53.360 It's not called the NFL Hall of Fame. It's like 0:12:53.400 --> 0:12:56.040 it's the Basketball Hall of Fame, not the NBA Hall 0:12:56.080 --> 0:12:56.360 of Fame. 0:12:56.480 --> 0:12:59.480 Yes, Mark, Yeah, I wonder what Reggie White's stats look 0:12:59.640 --> 0:13:03.720 like combining his USFL stats along with his NFL stats, 0:13:03.720 --> 0:13:07.400 because wasn't he Obviously he was dominate, in dominant everywhere. 0:13:08.200 --> 0:13:10.959 Paulie and I were talking about the Super Bowl when 0:13:10.960 --> 0:13:14.080 he played for the Packers, when Desmond Howard won the MVP, 0:13:15.160 --> 0:13:19.160 and he's he was in the backfield the entire game, 0:13:19.679 --> 0:13:21.520 if you want to pick now, I know Desmond had 0:13:21.520 --> 0:13:23.160 a couple of if he had a kickoff return, he 0:13:23.160 --> 0:13:25.120 had a punt return that set up I think a score. 0:13:25.840 --> 0:13:30.600 Reggie White was unbelievable. He had this one move that 0:13:30.720 --> 0:13:34.160 Bowl rush and he would just you know, it was 0:13:34.200 --> 0:13:37.040 a hump a club and he would just throw these 0:13:37.320 --> 0:13:40.000 you know, three hundred pound linemen out of the way. 0:13:41.040 --> 0:13:46.360 He dominated. He truly dominated that game. Should have been MVP. 0:13:47.440 --> 0:13:48.320 He set the tone. 0:13:48.559 --> 0:13:52.400 Yes, Mark, Reggie White has the most impressive like play 0:13:52.440 --> 0:13:56.720 I've ever seen when he tosses Larry Allen. Everyone YouTube, 0:13:56.840 --> 0:13:59.400 google it, go on your Twitter machine and look up 0:13:59.480 --> 0:14:04.240 Reggie tossing the strongest man in the NFL, Larry Allen. 0:14:04.360 --> 0:14:08.040 Yes, yes, a guy who players would get the Larry 0:14:08.040 --> 0:14:10.360 Allen flu because they didn't want to face him. The 0:14:10.400 --> 0:14:16.480 Dallas Cowboy tackle and Reggie White. He might have been underrated. 0:14:17.640 --> 0:14:20.400 He might have been underrated, if that's possible. Yeah, pung 0:14:20.440 --> 0:14:20.960 Reggie right. 0:14:21.000 --> 0:14:23.840 White was first team All Pro at twenty five and 0:14:23.920 --> 0:14:26.960 at age thirty seven, and a bunch of times in between. 0:14:27.440 --> 0:14:29.720 He had one hundred and ninety eight career sex secks. 0:14:29.840 --> 0:14:32.680 If you throw in his twenty six and a half, 0:14:33.480 --> 0:14:37.560 you're at two twenty four and a half. He'd be 0:14:37.560 --> 0:14:38.440 like Reggie White. 0:14:38.240 --> 0:14:40.840 But he was so much more than just that. Because 0:14:41.240 --> 0:14:44.840 it's like me and Joe Green. They they demanded double 0:14:44.880 --> 0:14:49.200 team and really you had to know where they were 0:14:49.240 --> 0:14:53.120 on the field. Those are two of the most dominant 0:14:53.120 --> 0:14:55.840 players that I ever Now. I saw Lawrence Taylor obviously, 0:14:55.920 --> 0:15:01.480 but Reggie and me and Joe Green, they were just different. 0:15:01.800 --> 0:15:05.440 There was and you know, Reggie was such a peaceful guy, 0:15:05.440 --> 0:15:07.680 but he didn't play that way. Me and Joe green, 0:15:08.080 --> 0:15:11.480 peaceful guy. He didn't play that way. Lawrence Taylor was 0:15:11.520 --> 0:15:13.600 kind of Lawrence Taylor on the field and off the field. 0:15:14.040 --> 0:15:17.800 He kind of he had a different speed limit than 0:15:17.840 --> 0:15:23.520 everybody else there. But God, Reggie White, damn unbelievable. 0:15:23.600 --> 0:15:27.920 Yes, you're right, because I think we automatically say Lawrence 0:15:27.960 --> 0:15:31.200 Taylor when you say the greatest defensive player ever, Reggie 0:15:31.200 --> 0:15:34.360 White should probably be in that. And I saw, like 0:15:34.440 --> 0:15:37.400 the end maybe the Packers Reggi White, and I didn't 0:15:37.440 --> 0:15:39.800 know about how dominant he was in Philadelphia. And then 0:15:39.840 --> 0:15:43.040 what free agency stir he calls when he became a free. 0:15:42.920 --> 0:15:44.960 Agent when he went to Green Bay said, God told 0:15:45.040 --> 0:15:50.440 him to go to Green Bay. Good choice? Is that 0:15:50.480 --> 0:15:53.160 where you go? Can I get a second opinion? 0:15:53.200 --> 0:15:53.400 God? 0:15:53.440 --> 0:15:56.960 I mean it's cold there. But he had played in Philadelphia. 0:15:57.200 --> 0:15:59.160 But when he went to Green Bay that kind of 0:15:59.280 --> 0:16:03.040 changed free agency. At least that's what I remember. It's like, Wow, 0:16:04.040 --> 0:16:06.560 you know you're gonna go where you want to go. 0:16:07.080 --> 0:16:09.320 What's best for you? And it was best for Reggie White. 0:16:09.400 --> 0:16:12.120 Yeah, PAULI, We're watching Reggie White clips and there's a 0:16:12.120 --> 0:16:15.280 play where Chris Carter tries to block him. He gets 0:16:15.280 --> 0:16:16.920 in some type of position where he has to block 0:16:16.960 --> 0:16:19.640 Reggie White. It looks like you ever play sports with 0:16:19.720 --> 0:16:22.960 your nephews and the big uncle throws some people around 0:16:23.000 --> 0:16:25.400 the yard. Yeah, poor Chris Carter, who's seems like a 0:16:25.440 --> 0:16:27.640 pretty strong dude, is getting manhandled. 0:16:28.840 --> 0:16:31.000 And that's being just short of putting him over his 0:16:31.080 --> 0:16:35.000 shoulder like that kind of thing thrown in a pool. 0:16:35.200 --> 0:16:39.120 Yeah, like that's where you go. If you're Reggie White, 0:16:39.200 --> 0:16:41.560 you go, Chris. You don't want to do this, Chris, 0:16:41.600 --> 0:16:43.040 you don't want to let him go. Yeah, you don't 0:16:43.040 --> 0:16:44.640 want to do this. All right, let me take a break. 0:16:45.680 --> 0:16:50.880 So the the official stats, they gonna try to combine 0:16:50.920 --> 0:16:54.880 all of those and Josh Gibson will be the big 0:16:54.920 --> 0:16:59.000 winner here. And Josh he died. I think he had 0:16:59.280 --> 0:17:02.600 either brain humor stroke when he was around thirty five 0:17:02.680 --> 0:17:06.520 or thirty six. But he was considered on par with 0:17:06.560 --> 0:17:08.879 any catcher I ever played the game, if not better 0:17:08.920 --> 0:17:12.119 than any catcher in the history of the game. And also, 0:17:12.960 --> 0:17:14.879 you know, when you think about breaking the color barrier, 0:17:15.359 --> 0:17:20.119 Satchel Paige was too old. You want that player who's 0:17:20.200 --> 0:17:23.480 leaving the negro leagues to succeed, so then you have 0:17:23.600 --> 0:17:27.240 more players to follow, and so you're picking somebody talent, 0:17:27.440 --> 0:17:31.119 age and also temperament, because Jackie Robinson had all of those. 0:17:31.200 --> 0:17:34.280 Josh Gibson had the talent, didn't have the temperament, and 0:17:34.600 --> 0:17:38.760 Satchel Page was too old at the time. And Jackie 0:17:38.760 --> 0:17:41.119 put up obviously with a lot, had to have the 0:17:41.160 --> 0:17:45.439 correct temperament to just be able to kind of compartmentalize 0:17:45.520 --> 0:17:47.840 what was going on, even when his teammates didn't even 0:17:47.880 --> 0:17:51.520 like him. So I wish Buck O'Neill were alive today. 0:17:51.960 --> 0:17:54.920 Buck O'Neill one of my favorite people I ever interviewed, 0:17:55.480 --> 0:17:57.880 and he spoke on behalf of so many of these 0:17:57.960 --> 0:18:00.480 players from the Negro leagues that we didn't get to see, 0:18:00.760 --> 0:18:02.879 and he's the one that got some of these players 0:18:02.880 --> 0:18:05.480 into the Baseball Hall of Fame. He has to be 0:18:05.520 --> 0:18:08.800 smiling today, is he in the whole thing? I think 0:18:08.800 --> 0:18:11.520 he finally got in for contributions, okay, and I worked 0:18:11.520 --> 0:18:16.520 hard with that. There's no credit for me. I don't 0:18:16.520 --> 0:18:20.240 want that, I'm saying. I remember telling the commissioner that 0:18:20.359 --> 0:18:23.840 this has to pitch an injustice with contributions to the game. 0:18:24.280 --> 0:18:28.720 His contribution is being that scrapbook to tell everybody about 0:18:28.720 --> 0:18:31.280 these players that he played with and against in the 0:18:31.280 --> 0:18:33.480 Negro leagues and that they got into the Hall of Fame. 0:18:33.640 --> 0:18:37.440 And I, you know, I'm glad that that happened forok 0:18:37.480 --> 0:18:39.520 a while, but what a wonderful man. 0:18:40.160 --> 0:18:43.480 Take a break back after this. Fox Sports Radio has 0:18:43.520 --> 0:18:46.480 the best sports talk lineup in the nation. 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Gonna change 0:19:26.160 --> 0:19:29.800 our poll question today, Robin Orlando, Hey, Rob, welcome back. 0:19:29.800 --> 0:19:30.520 What do you have for me? 0:19:30.560 --> 0:19:30.919 Buddy? 0:19:31.920 --> 0:19:32.040 Dan? 0:19:32.119 --> 0:19:34.680 Good morning man? First all, thank you for yesterday man, 0:19:34.760 --> 0:19:38.600 great job. As always, the retrospective on Bill Walton was 0:19:38.600 --> 0:19:42.000 fantastic up fairly and George your interviews with him over 0:19:42.040 --> 0:19:45.680 the years. Also, I hate to be the show sniper, 0:19:45.720 --> 0:19:47.480 but if every day is a super Bowl, that should 0:19:47.480 --> 0:19:50.000 go for us callers too. And your call our last 0:19:50.000 --> 0:19:52.840 hour man with the Tyler Woods thing has me just 0:19:52.880 --> 0:19:57.840 scratching my head, man and rethinking and rethinking my sports 0:19:58.600 --> 0:20:00.600 you know, Mault Rushmore, Boston abilities. 0:20:00.800 --> 0:20:01.760 I mean, here's here's. 0:20:01.520 --> 0:20:05.240 What I've got though, I've got Brian Ruth, I've got 0:20:05.800 --> 0:20:09.840 Jimmy Brady, and I've got my thighs Jordan to add 0:20:09.880 --> 0:20:10.919 with Tyler Woods man. 0:20:11.359 --> 0:20:14.240 Thank you, Rob. Yeah, we had a caller who forgot 0:20:14.280 --> 0:20:18.480 Tiger's first name called him Tyler Woods. I think he 0:20:18.560 --> 0:20:21.560 might have got confused because Tyler the operator, and then 0:20:21.600 --> 0:20:24.919 maybe maybe he made a mistake and called him Tyler 0:20:24.960 --> 0:20:26.120 Woods the great golfer. 0:20:26.200 --> 0:20:28.080 Yes, I have a buddy, you guys have met. 0:20:28.080 --> 0:20:31.200 His name's Craig and he knows zero about sports, not interested, 0:20:31.359 --> 0:20:34.159 not his thing. He will know who Tiger Woods is 0:20:34.240 --> 0:20:36.320 or Lebron James. Like if you said there's a guy 0:20:36.359 --> 0:20:37.520 named Kevin Durant. 0:20:37.160 --> 0:20:38.760 He beg no idea, never heard of him. 0:20:38.800 --> 0:20:41.240 Like he's that level of ignorant, but not Tiger Woods. 0:20:41.480 --> 0:20:43.680 Luke and Charlotte. Hi, Luke, what's on your mind? 0:20:44.800 --> 0:20:47.880 Uh? Hey Luke, Hey Dan? 0:20:48.240 --> 0:20:49.200 Hey, how you doing great? 0:20:50.000 --> 0:20:54.200 I wanted to do a whose career? Would you have? 0:20:54.440 --> 0:20:56.520 Wanted to give you guys the stats blind, and then 0:20:56.560 --> 0:20:57.840 I'll stick around and tell you. 0:20:57.720 --> 0:20:58.200 Who you pick. 0:20:58.280 --> 0:21:01.359 All right? We got two quarterbacks. 0:21:01.760 --> 0:21:07.159 Quarterback A sixty four thousand yards, four hundred and eighteen touchdowns, 0:21:07.200 --> 0:21:11.200 two hundred and eleven picks, two Super Bowls, three appearances, 0:21:12.080 --> 0:21:16.080 one sixty six eighty two and one, and career earnings 0:21:16.080 --> 0:21:21.480 of two sixty seven. Quarterback B is fifty nine thousand yards, 0:21:21.720 --> 0:21:25.560 four seventy five touchdowns, one hundred and five interceptions, one 0:21:25.600 --> 0:21:29.959 super Bowl, one appearance, career earnings of three seventy eight million. 0:21:30.920 --> 0:21:34.360 Okay, Paulie, The second guy I think is Aaron Rodgers. 0:21:37.840 --> 0:21:41.720 I think, Luke. Is that right? 0:21:43.560 --> 0:21:44.639 Everyone's got a guess? 0:21:44.840 --> 0:21:52.640 Oh well, PAULI just guessed for us, all right? 0:21:52.960 --> 0:21:59.119 Yeah, the second guy is Roger Polly damn, thanks Polly. 0:21:59.400 --> 0:22:02.160 Second guy there Aaron Rodgers. First guy is Ben Roethlisberger. 0:22:02.880 --> 0:22:09.160 Okay, So would I rather have Ben's numbers or Aaron 0:22:09.240 --> 0:22:12.840 Rodgers numbers? Is that what you're saying, Luke, I was what. 0:22:12.800 --> 0:22:13.200 I was saying. 0:22:13.240 --> 0:22:14.800 I guess I thought you guys were going to guess 0:22:14.840 --> 0:22:17.600 blindly and then i'd shock you. 0:22:17.600 --> 0:22:20.880 You know, thank you, thank you, Luke. See, this show 0:22:20.960 --> 0:22:25.080 is not scripted. That's why we didn't follow the script. Yes, Paul, 0:22:25.200 --> 0:22:26.240 I see what he's saying. 0:22:26.320 --> 0:22:29.399 People think Aaron Rodgers is better at the quarterback position, 0:22:29.920 --> 0:22:32.960 but Ben Roethlisberger had more success at. 0:22:32.880 --> 0:22:33.840 Two Superowl wins. 0:22:34.119 --> 0:22:38.560 Yeah, you'd prefer Roethlisberger's career, but some I think a 0:22:38.560 --> 0:22:40.879