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Speaker 1: Hi, guys, welcome to our very first episode of Legally

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Speaker 1: Brunette Presents Till Death Do Us Part. First of all,

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Speaker 1: this concept came up because Shane and I cover true

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Speaker 1: the news, and it seems to be a reoccurring theme

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Speaker 1: that husbands murder the wives and wives murder husband's and

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Speaker 1: we've talked about several cases on Legally Brunette, but because

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Speaker 1: we are a married couple and we're both attorneys, we

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Speaker 1: thought it would be a very cool concept to just

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Speaker 1: separate those cases out and do its own podcast. So

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Speaker 1: Shane and I will be releasing new episodes each week

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Speaker 1: that focus specifically on husband and wife murders, and we

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Speaker 2: Cut out for us because there's a lot there is

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Speaker 2: no murder, there is no shortage, So you'll now be

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Speaker 2: getting two episodes a week on the Legally Brunette feeds,

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Speaker 2: So make sure that you follow us.

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Speaker 1: And today we'll be diving into the Betty Broderick case,

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Speaker 1: but keep an eye out for other deep dives into

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Speaker 1: other cases like Brian Walsh. Pamela is smart, and everyone

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Speaker 1: knows Scott Peterson, so leave us a message on any

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Speaker 1: other cases you would like us.

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Speaker 2: To cover, maybe some unusual ones that people have not

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Speaker 2: heard of. That, yes, that we're going to dive into.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely all right, So let's get into Betty Broderick. I

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Speaker 1: felt like Betty Broderick was the perfect husband wife case

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Speaker 1: don't know if you follow true crime at all, A

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Speaker 1: lot of people know the name Betty Broderick. I mean,

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Speaker 1: she's currently in prison. Let's talk about her. Elizabeth AM

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Speaker 1: Broderick is known to the public as Betty Broderick, and

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Speaker 1: she is an America mother of four who murdered her

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Speaker 1: ex husband Daniel T. Broderick the Third and his new wife, Linda,

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Speaker 1: back in nineteen eighty nine. The murders were an act

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Speaker 1: of revenge after Daniel left Betty for his younger mistress, Linda.

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Speaker 1: And also not only was she the younger mistress, but

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Speaker 2: The assistant, his paralegal him in a number of ways.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and so he left Betty for Linda and ended

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Speaker 1: up divorcing Betty. After the infidelity and divorce, Betty's rage

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Speaker 1: twenty fifteen called Telling on Myself, which presents her side

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Speaker 1: of the story regarding her messy divorce, custody battles, and

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Speaker 1: the psychological strain she claimed that she was under. So

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Speaker 1: Betty Broderick was born in nineteen forty seven and raised

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Speaker 1: in Westchester County of New York in a strict Catholic

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Speaker 1: After high school, she worked various jobs in modeling, retail,

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Speaker 1: early childhood education. So then she meets Dan Broderick while

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Speaker 1: visiting Indiana for a Notre Dame football games. She was

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Speaker 1: seventeen and he was in his early twenties. They reconnected

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Speaker 1: later in New York City when Dan began medical school.

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Speaker 1: See this is also interesting, and why I like this

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Speaker 1: saying he doesn't go to medical school for like a

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Speaker 1: I think he completes medical school and then goes to

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Speaker 1: So let's just remember that.

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Speaker 2: And he was making a lot of money eventually.

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Speaker 1: But not when he was in school. So they dated

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Speaker 1: on and off during Betty's college years. Betty later described

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Speaker 1: that she had said in We were from the same

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Speaker 2: So she said no and then kept dating them for

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Speaker 1: Right, So then they get married. So after graduating, Betty

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Speaker 2: Well, that's going to be most of this. It's without

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Speaker 1: During a difficult third pregnancy, their infant died shortly after birth.

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Speaker 2: Number, what number pregnancy or baby wasn't.

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Speaker 1: It was her third pregnancy, an infant died shortly after birth.

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Speaker 1: So after Dan graduated from Harvard Law School, the family

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Speaker 1: relocated to San Diego. So again, not only did he

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Speaker 1: I don't where did you go? Like it's hard, Well,

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Speaker 1: I didn't go to Harvard Law. I mean, I feel

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Speaker 1: I know, I'm going to say that. I'm start posting that.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to say, you know, I turned Harvard Law down.

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Speaker 2: Harvard was knocking down.

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Speaker 1: I wasn't good enough for me. I just so, all right,

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Speaker 1: Dan joined a law for So after he graduates from

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Speaker 1: Dan joined a law first, then later started his own

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Speaker 1: firm that focused on medical malpractice, which obviously, I mean,

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Speaker 2: I was in law school and there was a surgeon

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's interesting, and I guess that's the perfect lawyer.

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Speaker 1: That's a perfect education to do medical malpractice exactly. So

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Speaker 1: the family became socially prominent once his practice gained notoriety,

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Speaker 1: But despite the outward success, Betty later claimed that Dan

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Speaker 1: He'd come around to my window. I thought this was funny.

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Speaker 1: Now Kim out of the house. And then he's sneaking

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Speaker 2: Another option would be to have a house key. Why

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Speaker 1: I don't know that is that is a very good observation.

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Speaker 2: He didn't learn that in school, did he?

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Speaker 1: No? Med school, law school, never thought of that.

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Speaker 2: He needs to be a smith.

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Speaker 1: was always telling me they were getting a divorce. She'd say,

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Speaker 1: for dad to divorce her. I'd say to dad, it

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Speaker 1: there's four children. That's one. I've read that that daughter

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Speaker 2: And it's the son that's a little bit more supportive

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Speaker 1: I think, right, So, you know, her account is that

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Speaker 1: that's also psychologically difficult for children. If you're constantly threatening

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Speaker 1: who would you want to live with? You know, I mean,

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Speaker 2: Well and the well because she's saying it to him

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Speaker 1: I don't know if she's saying it to him or

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Speaker 1: she's just saying it to the children. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm sure it comes back to me.

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Speaker 1: But I mean, their relationship is clearly contentious and they're

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Speaker 2: Say to marry her for three years, right, So.

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Speaker 1: That's what she says. So then in nineteen eighty two,

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Speaker 1: So Dan Broderick met Linda Kolkana in the fall of

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Speaker 2: She's twenty one and she's already ended her career as

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Speaker 1: I don't know, but he hires her. Well, the question

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Speaker 2: I read this because she was fully qualified.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's what you read. She's fully qualified, fully qualified? Right,

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Speaker 1: So he hires a twenty one year old there's a problem, judge, Okay,

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Speaker 1: twenty one year old former flight attendant. She is his

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Speaker 1: new legal assistant. Yeah, so she has no legal background.

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Speaker 2: Well, he needs help. He's been to school a lot,

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Speaker 2: he's building a career, he's busy.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, So he needs a former flight attendant.

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Speaker 2: This is a qualified worker.

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Speaker 1: Well, and when they say former flight attendant, you know

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Speaker 2: They're trying to say, like she had to keep little

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Speaker 2: alfast Lash looking good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, right, that's their way of saying she's attractive. Right,

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Speaker 1: she's a former flight attendant.

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Speaker 2: They used to say stewardess.

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Speaker 1: Yes, kind of has a bad rap. Yeah. Betty suspected

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Speaker 1: that there was a fair going on early.

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Speaker 2: But Dan, she was like a bookkeeper. Would they say

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Speaker 2: a former bookkeeper who like this article, Like when they

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Speaker 2: when they talk about this former flight attendant, Yes, if

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Speaker 2: she was a former bookkeeper or librarian, yes, they wouldn't

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Speaker 2: have said that.

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Speaker 1: No, that's what I'm saying. It's like it's it's a

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Speaker 1: way to say that she's attractive.

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Speaker 2: Former phone operator.

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Speaker 1: Saying she's attractive. Right, They're just like, she's a former

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Speaker 1: flight attendant. So in nineteen eighty five, three years after

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Speaker 1: You're getting dropped off at your dad's Yeah, Psycho Dan

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Speaker 1: Betty described the legal fight as deeply unequal, comparing it

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Speaker 2: And I read that he a million dollars a year,

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Speaker 1: Back then, so I'm saying, And he's also a well

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Speaker 2: Sounds like he needs an assistant.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Okay, besides the assistant, it sounds like to me

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Speaker 2: Stuck at home. But you know she's the housework.

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Speaker 1: Right, I mean she took care of the kids.

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Speaker 2: They should he should have gotten an all pair from

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Speaker 1: Her, right, exactly, That's what he should, and he.

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Speaker 1: Right. But I'm back to my point. My legal point

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Speaker 2: Here's how it is. He earns the money, but I

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Speaker 2: truly believe it's half hers, right, especially as she put

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Speaker 2: all that. So she was right there by his side.

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Speaker 2: So it's fifty to fifty, right, But who's getting the

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Speaker 2: has control that Typically in this scenario, the male has

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Speaker 2: He can give it to her laid you know what

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Speaker 2: I mean, Like you have that control, and I'm sure

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Speaker 1: But I'm also saying not only did he have a

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Speaker 1: as him, and she doesn't have There's a complete imbalance

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: In nineteen eighty six, Dan sold the family home using

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Speaker 1: a legal process that allowed a judge to sign on

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Speaker 1: Betty's behalf, claiming that she had refused to sign the

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Speaker 1: sale papers. This is per the La Times. See that's

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Speaker 1: because the papers. There probably was a core order that

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Speaker 2: She's in contempts, resources have been exhausted, and now it's

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Speaker 1: Right. So Betty experienced worsening depression as she continued to

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Speaker 2: I'm sure she was signs.

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Speaker 1: The twenty one year old, she spent time in jail

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Speaker 1: they ended up recording her messages because she would just

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Speaker 2: He got a restraining order against her.

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Speaker 1: So in one incident, Betty drove her car into Dan's home,

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Speaker 2: She locked him out. Yeah, so now he locked her out. Yes,

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Speaker 2: he knocks on the window and she drives a car

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Betty and Dan's divorce was finalized four years later

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Speaker 1: But this is crazy to me. This is a lot

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Speaker 2: He gave to his assistant.

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Speaker 1: So then in nineteen eighty nine, Dan remarries. So in

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Speaker 1: April of nineteen eighty nine, Dan married Linda Kulkina, and

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Speaker 2: Think he married. He married soon after the divorce was finalized.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because it was finalized. Well, it was finalized in

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Speaker 1: So it's not like they weren't fooling around while they

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Speaker 1: So clearly there was something going on for probably a

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Speaker 1: She entered using a key obtained from her daughter. But

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Speaker 1: Oh right. So you're saying, if you have an ex

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Speaker 2: I think that would cross my mind to not get it.

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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, I love to see. This is why

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Speaker 2: What it's about building our relationship and ways around not kill.

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Speaker 1: But they think what happened was she like when she

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Speaker 2: Actually he was shot then he fell off the bed.

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Speaker 1: That's what they think. Yeah, I mean she went up

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Speaker 2: A few words then she shot them. So here we are.

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Speaker 1: Betty was held without bail. So during the nineteen she

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Speaker 1: don't know what other facts are other things that she did,

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Speaker 1: but to me, that's the factor that says that it

439
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Speaker 1: was premeditated. It's not a heat of the moment type

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Speaker 1: of situation.

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Speaker 2: Well, and the fact that she got in a car

442
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Speaker 2: and drove there, well she did. She got a lot

443
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Speaker 2: of things. I think it's the deliberation, like there was

444
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Speaker 2: a cooling off period that makes it truly like a

445
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Speaker 2: first degree. So if she got the key, thought about it,

446
00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:33,160
Speaker 2: went and sat at a bar, told her friends, then

447
00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:36,720
Speaker 2: got in her car, went and got gas, like all

448
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Speaker 2: this downtime and then she does it, then it's definitely

449
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Speaker 2: first degree.

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Speaker 1: So Betty stated during the trial, I am not going

451
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Speaker 1: to turn around and say someone else did it or

452
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Speaker 1: I didn't do it. My lawyers hate it because there

453
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Speaker 1: was no law that says I can defend myself against

454
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Speaker 1: his type of onslaught. He was killing me, I.

455
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Speaker 2: Think she was. She claims he was mentally abusing her,

456
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Speaker 2: and so she was defending herself against his mental abuse.

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Speaker 2: It's like he wasn't physically harming me where I had

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Speaker 2: to stand up and shoot him. Yeah, Instead he was

459
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Speaker 2: hurting me with his words, and so I had to

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Speaker 2: come to his house and kill him while he was sleeping.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's not even hurting me with his words. It's

462
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Speaker 1: hurting me. It's it's the power struggle, and he had

463
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Speaker 1: the power right. So he has custody of the kids,

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Speaker 1: he has the money, he has the education, he has.

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Speaker 2: The social status. He didn't say this, but when I

466
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Speaker 2: was researching it she she had a restraining order or

467
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Speaker 2: he had one, and she would violate it occasionally, you know,

468
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Speaker 2: bringing the kids late, popping in when she wasn't supposed to,

469
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Speaker 2: reaching out to him, whatever, and he started to find her.

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Speaker 2: So it was like one hundred dollars.

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Speaker 1: Oh, you mean, like taking it away from her spousal support.

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Speaker 2: Which is funny because he should know better. You can't

473
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Speaker 2: do that, right, But he would find her. And then

474
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Speaker 2: at one point, she claims at one point she got

475
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Speaker 2: a bill and she owed him money. She violated it

476
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Speaker 2: so much much that she was owing him spousal support.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't condone murder in any sense, but

478
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Speaker 1: I think the point of this is the understanding of

479
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Speaker 1: how a woman who stayed at home took care of

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Speaker 1: the kids while her husband became educated and went to

481
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Speaker 1: medical school and went to law school. And then when

482
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Speaker 1: he finally is on his own and practicing law and

483
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Speaker 1: graduated and is now reaping the rewards of all that education,

484
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Speaker 1: he just immediately marries a twenty one year old and

485
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Speaker 1: you know, and she doesn't get to have she'd put

486
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Speaker 1: all the time and effort in, she put the hard

487
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Speaker 1: work in. I'm not saying she's not crazy. The woman's crazy,

488
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Speaker 1: there's no doubt about that. But I understand why someone

489
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Speaker 1: snaps when they've put all the work and effort into

490
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Speaker 1: this relationship and taking care of the kids and being

491
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Speaker 1: there while he's in school and educating himself, and then

492
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Speaker 1: she reaps none of the rewards of it.

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Speaker 2: Well, we don't know that she lives in a big house,

494
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Speaker 2: she had kids, was taken care of.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'm heymore, I know, but I'm saying, like,

496
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Speaker 1: I don't feel like it was very long. You know,

497
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Speaker 1: she lost her social status, she lost you know, she

498
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Speaker 1: lost the big house. She can't maintain that, you know. So.

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Speaker 1: Testimony from her children and household staff painted conflicting pictures

500
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Speaker 1: of both parents. Lee Broderick, this is a daughter, testified

501
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Speaker 1: that her father often spoke negatively about her mother and

502
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Speaker 1: could be intimidating at home. Kim Broderick also testified that's

503
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Speaker 1: another daughter, but described an unstable relationship with her mother.

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Speaker 1: The family's housekeeper testified, stating that the two youngest children

505
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Speaker 1: were happy when they were with their mother, but became

506
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Speaker 1: frightened and silent around their father. The first trial ended

507
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Speaker 1: in a hung jury and mistrial. I think that's crazy.

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Speaker 1: There is no doubt that the woman like drove to

509
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Speaker 1: the house, pulled out a gun, and shot two people

510
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Speaker 1: in cold blood and she got a hung jury. That's

511
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Speaker 1: how much well.

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Speaker 2: Hung jury because of what was only first degree on

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Speaker 2: the table. And so they said it wasn't first degree

514
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Speaker 2: because you should have alternative charges, right, like first degree,

515
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Speaker 2: A man thought her or you should be prosecuting for

516
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Speaker 2: the correct crime that they're most likely going to be

517
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Speaker 2: found guilty of, not some far reached crime of first

518
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Speaker 2: degree if it didn't meet all the elements.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but so anyway, her first trial ends in a

520
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Speaker 1: hung jury and a mistrial. I would say, also it

521
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Speaker 1: has to do with I think people were sympathetic to

522
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Speaker 1: her case.

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Speaker 2: I do, yeah, man, I can be sympathetic. You can't

524
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Speaker 2: be sympathetic, guy, I understand why she because.

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Speaker 1: You're a man, so you're not sympathetic. I'm talking about

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Speaker 1: you put women on that jury that see a woman

527
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Speaker 1: scorned by a man who left her for a younger

528
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Speaker 1: woman and now has this amazing life with all this

529
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Speaker 1: money and making a million dollars a year with his

530
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Speaker 1: twenty one year old flight attendant, and that those women

531
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Speaker 1: are going to sympathize with.

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Speaker 2: Her, which means justify murder. Well, I know those women

533
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Speaker 2: are crazy too, and I would be worried about who

534
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Speaker 2: they're married to.

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Speaker 1: I know. But we've talked about juries before, and even

536
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Speaker 1: when we talked about Parkland case, there were people that said,

537
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Speaker 1: no death penalty in it.

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Speaker 2: No, definitely, That's not like I can't convict him of

539
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Speaker 2: a crime.

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Speaker 1: People didn't want to convict Wade Wilson because he was

541
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Speaker 1: good looking. I'm just saying people are true.

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Speaker 2: Is the juror the jury didn't want to there's some

543
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Speaker 2: jurors that didn't want to convict them.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure there weren't. That's why they didn't pick the

545
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Speaker 1: death penalty. That's what that was their choices.

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Speaker 2: Well, I don't know. Death penalty is different. That's that's

547
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Speaker 2: the punishment.

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Speaker 1: I understand that's the punishment. But I'm telling you, I

549
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Speaker 1: am sure people on that jury did not want to

550
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Speaker 1: give him the death penalty because he was a charming,

551
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:33,920
Speaker 1: good looking guy. I'm just saying you can be manipulated

552
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Speaker 1: that way. So where is Betty now? Betty was eventually

553
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Speaker 1: convicted on two counts of second degree murder. Her sentence

554
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Speaker 1: was fifteen years to life twice plus two years for

555
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Speaker 1: a firearm use. Betty was incarcerated in nineteen ninety in.

556
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Speaker 2: The restraining order. That's she came to the house. That's

557
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Speaker 2: a violation of the restraining Yeah, I forgot that.

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Speaker 1: I didn't forget that. That's not on the table. Maybe

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Speaker 1: they just they let that go. He was incarcerated in

560
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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety two at the California Institute for Women. Betty

561
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,919
Speaker 1: has now remained in prison for over three decades. She

562
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:11,440
Speaker 1: first became eligible for parole in twenty ten, but was denied.

563
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 1: Her children remained divided over her release. During Betty's twenty

564
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 1: ten parole hearing, the children continued to be split. While

565
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Speaker 1: Lee testified that Betty should be able to live her

566
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Speaker 1: later life outside prison walls, her brother Dan Junior said

567
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:30,920
Speaker 1: releasing a lost person into society could be a dangerous mistake.

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Speaker 1: Another parole attempt was in twenty seventeen, and it was

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Speaker 1: also denied. Prosecutors described Betty as being unrepentant, which means

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Speaker 1: she's not showing any kind of remorse at all. Betty

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Speaker 1: maintains that she was a victim of coercive control and

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Speaker 1: domestic abuse. Betty is next eligible for parole in two

573
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Speaker 1: thousand and thirty two, and she will be eighty four.

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Speaker 2: So we'll see if you have to be sure to

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Speaker 2: cover of that parole.

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Speaker 1: Hearrea, yes, we'll still be doing legally.

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Speaker 2: Run.

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Speaker 1: I haven't that well, I don't know if yes, that's right.

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Speaker 1: We don't know. Again, the reason that we like to

580
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:12,440
Speaker 1: talk about these murders is to give our psa right,

581
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:17,879
Speaker 1: our public service announcement that divorce is always an alternative.

582
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Speaker 2: And an alternative that's not illegal. Right, And also in

583
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Speaker 2: being incarcerated.

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Speaker 1: We've had this discussion before too, where I talk about

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Speaker 1: how it's so much it's it's the intensity of revenge,

586
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:32,880
Speaker 1: but we really need to learn how to channel that

587
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Speaker 1: revenge into positive ways. So Betty really needed to take

588
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 1: all that intensity and hate and fuel, and she needed

589
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Speaker 1: to She got sixteen thousand dollars a month in the eighties.

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Speaker 1: Like that is a lot of money. Betty could have

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Speaker 1: gotten herself up.

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Speaker 2: But money's not everything you're making it like because she

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Speaker 2: got money, therefore she shouldn't be emotional.

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Speaker 1: No, you didn't let me finish. I'm saying she has

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Speaker 1: a lot of money that she was getting. She needed

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Speaker 1: to get herself like a nice condo and join a

597
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 1: gem and get herself together. Maybe she needed a little

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Speaker 1: freshen up, a little plastic surgery, and you know, I

599
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Speaker 1: don't know. She needed to make herself. She need to

600
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 1: get a revenge body, she needs to get hot, she

601
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 1: needed to start dating, and she needed to move on

602
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 1: with her life. And now she's been incarcerated for thirty

603
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Speaker 1: years because her husband's a douchebag that left her for

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Speaker 1: a younger woman. And that is the end of my ransom.

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Speaker 2: Well, you're blaming him for getting to with the oarn woman,

606
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Speaker 2: But then you're saying what she should do is all

607
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Speaker 2: superficial things. She has money, she should buy a house,

608
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 2: she should look hot, she should be like that's all superficial.

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Speaker 2: She was crazy, But.

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Speaker 1: I'm saying if she channeled that craziness into improving.

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Speaker 2: This, we all do. Yeah. Yeah, you're right, if she

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Speaker 2: did that, that would have been better, exactly, And that

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Speaker 2: would be our advice to all the listeners. If you

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Speaker 2: want to murder your spouse, get a hobby.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's just end this really quickly with where

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Speaker 1: are the broaderc children? Now? Oh yeah, several of the

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Speaker 1: Broderick children have since built lives of their own. Rht

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Speaker 1: and his wife share two daughters, According to information published

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Speaker 1: by the Wood River Heights, where he has worked as

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Speaker 1: a teacher since twenty sixteen. This is in Idaho. A

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty report from Vulture noted that Kim and Lee

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Speaker 1: those are the two daughters, were living in central Idaho

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Speaker 1: at the time, though their current whereabouts are not publicly confirmed,

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Speaker 1: and for the most part, the siblings have kept a

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Speaker 1: very low profile in recent years. One exception is Kim,

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Speaker 1: who released a twenty fourteen memoir titled Betty Broderick My

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Speaker 1: Mom The Kim Broderick Story. The book recounts her personal

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Speaker 1: journey and describes how she helped herself and her siblings

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Speaker 1: survive and triumph over the tragedy. So if anyone's interested

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Speaker 1: in reading more about Betty Brodrick. Also there is I

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Speaker 1: don't know if it's on Netflix anymore, but if you've

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Speaker 1: ever seen on Netflix, there is a series called Dirty John.

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Speaker 1: And the first episode is actually about Dirty John. The

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Speaker 1: guy's name is John and this happened in Orange County.

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Speaker 1: We should actually cover this case, right, And then they

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Speaker 1: did the one episode called Dirty John. But then they

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Speaker 1: did a second episode I believe on Betty Broderick. So

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Speaker 1: if you want to learn more about Betty Brodrick and

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00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 1: you want to follow more of this story, I think

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Speaker 1: you can still find it on Netflix. It's called Dirty

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Speaker 1: John and it's called the Betty Broderick Story. So anyway,

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Speaker 1: thank you guys so much for listening to Till Death

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Speaker 1: Do Us Part. We're super excited about this new podcast

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