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Speaker 1: Could I just ask for a few definitions, Martha.

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Speaker 2: We know each other for decades. You could ask me

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Speaker 1: I'm going to too. Just wait. Music industry legend Clive

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Speaker 1: Davis is responsible for creating the soundtrack of Our Lives,

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Speaker 1: which is the name of his phenomenal book, This big, fat,

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Speaker 1: dense book. Clive, how long did this take to write?

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Speaker 2: That book took life? About two years?

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Speaker 1: Oh at lifetime?

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Speaker 2: I was going to say, you know, well, it took

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Speaker 2: a lifetime in many ways, but the actual writing two years.

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Speaker 1: It is such a good book. And your documentary which

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Speaker 1: I rewatched this morning. I got up at five am

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Speaker 1: to watch your documentary again because I think it's probably

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Speaker 1: if it's not the best, it's one of the top

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Speaker 1: four documentaries I have ever seen.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's great to you.

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, it is amazing. And if you.

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Speaker 2: Third year on Netflix right now, it's on Netflix and

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Speaker 2: they say, I've been told it's a fifth post selling

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Speaker 1: Yes, well, after our podcast is going to be number one,

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Speaker 1: I will look at because everybody listening is going to

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Speaker 1: watch that documentary after I get finished with you today.

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Speaker 1: It's an incredible documentary because not only does it chronicle

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Speaker 1: the life of a music impresario? And do you use

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Speaker 2: I don't self use it, but it has been used.

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Speaker 2: I still associated with a man named Saul Yuruk that

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Speaker 1: Whenever anybody says, oh, you know, you know five days,

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Speaker 1: I said, yes, that he is the greatest music improsario

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Speaker 1: But what does impresario mean to you? What does that mean?

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Speaker 2: Well, the word impresario means showman, and I think that

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Speaker 2: David Hockney, You'll run into sports figures as well as

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Speaker 2: every head of every label and stars from all the labels.

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Speaker 2: But I put on a show and you see in

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Speaker 2: that show artists that you'll never see play together. See

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Speaker 2: Yes, you've been there many times. Lou Reid with Rod

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Speaker 1: I saw that too. I love that. Oh my gosh,

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Speaker 1: you are known as the man with the golden ears.

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Speaker 1: And that's what that documentary does for me too. It

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Speaker 2: Jana's Choplin was to me the original white soul sister.

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Speaker 2: She could have been the soulful R and B. We

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Speaker 2: A and R stands for artists and repertoire, So that

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Speaker 2: Dinah Shaw, you would find the repertoire that they were.

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Speaker 1: And now so let me see we've gotten through hip hop.

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Speaker 1: What about what about rock and roll? Who's who's rock

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Speaker 2: John Hammond, an A and a man brought Bruce Springsteen

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Speaker 2: rock songs, new songs.

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Speaker 2: had for him a very gratifying solo career. And of

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Speaker 2: course we own Miss Simon and golf Uncle. When Blood

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Speaker 2: Sweat and Tears broke up, I mean Al Cooper was

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Speaker 2: the original founder of Bloodswat and Tears. We had one

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Speaker 2: album and then he said we're not getting along, so

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00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 2: they split up. Now they went on in their new

439
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 2: organization and their new framework to have a triple platinum album.

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Speaker 2: You make me so very happy, Spinning Wheel, and when

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Speaker 2: I die, but you know when that changes, you feel

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Speaker 2: disappointed when the original artist might break up, and I

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Speaker 2: can't help reflecting on losing And I've got to say this,

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Speaker 2: of where you have some of the greatest artists of

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Speaker 2: all time, and whether it's from drugs or natural causes.

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Speaker 2: I love working with Areatha friend, I love it. I

447
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 2: mean she was that unique Martha. You will understand as

448
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Speaker 2: most of all because I can go to a party

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Speaker 2: with any you know, hip making and of course they

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Speaker 2: create a stir. But there were those artists our mutual

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Speaker 2: friend and even confer with you about it. So I

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Speaker 2: go to a Valentino party on his life, and Aretha

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Speaker 2: heard about it, and she says, will you go with me?

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Speaker 2: I said, of course, I'll go with you. And we

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Speaker 2: go there and within five minutes I get a tug

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Speaker 2: at my elbow. I thought it was a little kid,

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Speaker 2: but it wasn't. It's a gentleman you and I know

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Speaker 2: fairly well who lives not where far from where we

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Speaker 2: are currently sitting. And he said, I've never done this.

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Speaker 2: I have to meet Aretha. Would you please introduce me?

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Speaker 2: It was Ralph Lauren and everybody wanted to meet Aretha Franklin.

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Speaker 2: I mean, because she had an impact on everybody, all

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Speaker 2: of us.

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Speaker 1: All of us. I was lucky enough to have her

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Speaker 1: come on my show and it was so amazing. She

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Speaker 1: was an incredible lady. Yeah, incredible.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. She and I became great friends. She came to

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Speaker 2: Pound Verge where I live. She came every Memorial Day weekend.

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Speaker 2: I would have Joan Rivers and Patty Lapone and Lee

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Speaker 2: Daniels and Tyler Perry, but Aretha came. And I don't

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Speaker 2: care who you were. It was Joan Rivers dressed in

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Speaker 2: the American flag. I might say, coming over things, I've

473
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Speaker 2: got to meet, I've got to meet and I've got

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Speaker 2: to take a picture with refa. Arefa was unique and

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Speaker 2: she was history from the way before I met her,

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Speaker 2: and yet I was able after she was forty to

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Speaker 2: have number one records with her Grammy Awards with her,

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Speaker 2: and we became great friends. I missed Luther Vandros, I

479
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 2: miss Whitney Houston, prodigious talents, special people in many ways,

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Speaker 2: and I.

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Speaker 1: Was so lucky to meet those people at your wonderful

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Speaker 1: Grammy parties too, and just and those parties, by the way,

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Speaker 1: are the most friendly parties I ever go to. I

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Speaker 1: mean just the most friendly. Everyone is Nancy Pelosi you

485
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Speaker 1: talk to about so friendly and nice, and you want

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Speaker 1: you want to know them when you meet them at

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Speaker 1: your party. You want to know everybody. Clive is a

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Speaker 1: party man, and boy, are you a party man? You

489
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Speaker 1: love to entertain?

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Speaker 2: I do. That doesn't mean I love to party, so

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Speaker 2: I want to correct it. No, you love to give

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Speaker 2: party about it, But I I like to really mix

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Speaker 2: the most interesting people I know with other great interesting people.

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Speaker 1: And you don't cut the party short. You let those

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Speaker 1: parties go on and on that you let them take

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Speaker 1: their natural natural I do path because and that's very

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Speaker 1: nice too, because so many of us just you know, can't,

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Speaker 1: can't extend a party the way you can, and it's

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Speaker 1: not and it's all natural stuff that happens at your parties. Yes,

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Speaker 1: it's incredible. And really you're still dancing too. I heard

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Speaker 1: you were dancing the other night.

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Speaker 2: You know. I'm picturing visually what all these things look like.

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Speaker 2: I'm not a I'll own up to this, not to preach,

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00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 2: but I believe in living life. And I had a

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Speaker 2: very We haven't discussed this, but I had a very Yes,

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Speaker 2: I just celebrated my ninetieth birthday. It never occurred to

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Speaker 2: me I would lived in ninety. Am.

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Speaker 1: Did you ever think about it? No, you didn't think

509
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Speaker 1: about it because you were so busy all the time.

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Speaker 2: So busy it goes and you wonder. I don't know

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Speaker 2: how not to be active. So I'm producing the Whitney film.

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Speaker 2: I'm working on three documentaries and a number of projects.

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00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:58,479
Speaker 2: I'm still working at Sony. I go in there twice

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Speaker 2: a week because that since.

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Speaker 1: You still have that big corner office.

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Speaker 2: I have a great, nice, lovely office different from we

517
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Speaker 2: don't have that building. Out of that building, so the

518
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 2: question is how do I live and what do I do?

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00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 2: And you say, you know your question. But I had

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Speaker 2: occasion to take an unexpected trip, just like six weeks ago,

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Speaker 2: where it's been announced in November, I'm being inducted into

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Speaker 2: the National Portrait Gallery in Washington, d C. And they

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Speaker 2: retain an orders to do a portrait of you being inducted.

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Speaker 2: I know Serena Williams this year in doctor Fauci anywhere

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Speaker 2: they're five every other year. I was an am tremendously honored,

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Speaker 2: and I decided I would call on a friend to

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Speaker 2: do my portrait, which thrilled them and thrilled me. That

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Speaker 2: David Hockney's doing it is it has done.

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Speaker 1: My point waiting.

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Speaker 2: I'm doing what I'm doing tonight literally tonight. Is that

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Speaker 2: for me to have my portrait done by him is

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Speaker 2: still living in Normandy, France and not La where he

533
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 2: had lived for decades, And so I had to go

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Speaker 2: to Normandy, France, and I stopped off from Paris for

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Speaker 2: three or four nights prior. I loved it. I just

536
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Speaker 2: love revisiting this wonderful city's highlights, the great restaurants. And

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Speaker 2: I said, you know, as long as I can those

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Speaker 2: favorite places that I've so loved in life. I've had

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Speaker 2: three great resorts over the years. For many years when

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00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 2: we all just sat in the sun, I won't do

541
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Speaker 2: it anymore, so I don't go to Saint Part's, but

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Speaker 2: same parts they distinguished. It was not the sun, but

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Speaker 2: in the middle of the Caribbean. There were restaurants for

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Speaker 2: lunch and dinner that you just couldn't believe the quality.

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Speaker 1: I started going there when my daughter was five, so

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Speaker 1: that was fifty one years ago.

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Speaker 2: Right, and we would see we would be there together,

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Speaker 2: that's right.

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Speaker 1: And there were French restaurants on the beach with the

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Speaker 1: most selectable food. Remarkable.

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Speaker 2: Sanpe for many years I've enjoyed again for the same reason.

552
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 2: And the Amalfi Coast, Capri and Positano and Sorrento and

553
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 2: Toronto and so boyd by my experience in Paris before

554
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 2: I visited David Hockney and Normandy, I said, you know,

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00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,399
Speaker 2: I love childring of yacht. I'm going to do it,

556
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:58,799
Speaker 2: and so knock some wood you're going today that I'm

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00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 2: leaving tonight, lucky is and I will go on a

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Speaker 2: boat and go to Capri and it's living life.

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Speaker 1: It is, and don't fall overboard.

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Speaker 2: You know, and don't try not to fall over.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna have a fantastic time. We can go on

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Speaker 1: for hours and hours, but I just want everybody listening

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Speaker 1: to pick up a copy of the soundtrack of My

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00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 1: Life by Clive Davis with Anthony da Curtis, very excellent book,

565
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Speaker 1: and watch the documentary because you on Netflix. Because it

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Speaker 1: is really a remarkable life well lived, a life of

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Speaker 1: inspiration and a life of celebration. And thank you, Clive,

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00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 1: my pleasure, Thank you for wandering over here from not

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Speaker 1: far away, not far and come come back and visit again.

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Speaker 1: And and really it's a pleasure to talk to you.

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Speaker 2: Thanks so much, you know,