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Speaker 1: Well, he joins us from California. Now, mister Vice President,

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Speaker 1: it's great to have you back on Bloomberg. We welcome you,

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Speaker 1: and I wonder your thoughts about that exercise last night.

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Speaker 1: We were just playing clips of three four people talking

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Speaker 1: a lot of one liners. One of the moderators even

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Speaker 1: wanted to play a game of Survivor with you. I

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Speaker 1: just wonder with to the extent that Ronald Reagan's legacy

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Speaker 1: was invoked last evening in Seame Valley, did Republicans live

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Speaker 1: up to the standard set by Ronald Reagan and that

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm standing here at the Reagan Library still, and

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Speaker 2: you know, it was very special for me to be

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Speaker 2: a part of the debate last night in here, because

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Speaker 2: Reagan is the reason I became a Republican, and it

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Speaker 2: was his conservative agenda, it was his optimism, and it

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Speaker 2: was his civility that really defined the man and defined

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Speaker 2: his administration. And last night's debate was at times a chaotic,

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Speaker 2: but I really welcomed the opportunity to make my case

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Speaker 2: that I believe that while while the former president and

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Speaker 2: some others who were on that stage, are steering our

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Speaker 2: party away from Ronald Reagan's agenda of American leadership in

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Speaker 2: the world, fiscal responsibility, even the right to life. That

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Speaker 2: I'm the most consistent and tested conservative in this field.

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Speaker 2: The opportunity to make that case here at the Reagan

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Speaker 3: Mister Vice President. You spoke a lot about what you're

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Speaker 3: speaking about now, the fact that populism has taken control

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Speaker 3: of the Republican Party. But if you look back to

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Speaker 3: what Trump was saying in twenty fifteen when he announced

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Speaker 3: his campaign to become president, it reeked of populism. He

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Speaker 3: talking about draining this swamp. He was talking about the

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Speaker 3: United States not beating anyone ever. He said, when was

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Speaker 3: the last time we beat Japan? Do you feel responsible

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Speaker 3: for giving credibility to populism in this Republican Party that

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Speaker 3: we're seeing today.

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Speaker 2: You know, when Donald Trump came down that escalator, he

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Speaker 2: told the American people he was going to make America

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Speaker 2: great again. The first person to say make America great

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Speaker 2: again was Ronald Reagan. And in that campaign, whether it

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Speaker 2: was a commitment to conservatives on our courts, a commitment

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Speaker 2: to cut taxes, a commitment to rebuild our military. Donald

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Speaker 2: Trump promised to govern as a conservative, and I believe

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Speaker 2: when he chose me to be his running mate, there

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Speaker 2: was evidence of his seriousness about that. And for four

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Speaker 2: years we did govern as conservatives. We kept our word

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Speaker 2: on the world stage. We stood with our allies, we

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Speaker 2: our courts at every level, including three of the justices

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Speaker 2: that gave us a new beginning for life. But what

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Speaker 2: I want people to understand is that Donald Trump makes

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Speaker 2: no such promise today. Whatever is rhetoric waned us back

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Speaker 2: in the day, and his rhetoric has remained the same.

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Speaker 2: The policies that he's advancing now, which included a ten

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Speaker 2: percent tax on all imports into the United States that

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Speaker 2: the Tax Foundation said would cost five hundred thousand jobs,

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Speaker 2: is directly opposite of our administration and the Reagan legacy

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Speaker 2: of cutting taxes for individuals and businesses. The way the

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Speaker 2: President is joining a chorus in the Party of embracing

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Speaker 2: appeasement and isolationism and from supporting Ukraine in their battle

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Speaker 2: against the unconscionable Russian invasion. That's not consistent with the

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Speaker 2: up to our enemies, turned our armed forces loose to

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Speaker 2: take down Isis. We actually armed forces of the United

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Speaker 2: Of course, just on the right to life. Just in

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Speaker 2: recent days, the American people have heard the President literally

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Speaker 2: criticize states that enacted strong pro life protections from the

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Speaker 2: moment that an unborn child experiences a heartbeat, and he's

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Speaker 2: made no commitment to support protections for the unborn at

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Speaker 2: the national level. That coming from the leader of the

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Speaker 2: most pro life administration in history. That's what I mean

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Speaker 2: when I talk about the President and some of his

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Speaker 2: be confident I'll lead as America on the world stage,

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Speaker 1: Your former running mate was, of course not there last night,

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Speaker 1: and some believe that he will win the Republican nomination

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Speaker 1: without answering a single question in a forum like the

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Speaker 1: one that you endured last evening. What should Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: answer to the trillions in debt that he added to

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Speaker 2: Look, I think he ought to be there. He should

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Speaker 2: at the first debate. Look, no one is entitled the

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Speaker 2: nomination of their party. And frankly, Donald Trump continues to

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Speaker 2: my part, for my part, I think the president ought

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Speaker 2: the largest proposal of tariffs, a ten percent tariff on

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Speaker 2: all imports literally since the Herbert Hoover administration. And why

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Speaker 2: the president, after we rebuild our military stood strong on

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Speaker 2: So I think we achieve peace through strength. And I

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Speaker 2: but leader of the free world, and why he's changed

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Speaker 3: Well, you've talked a lot about your commitment to strong defense.

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Speaker 3: We had on Senator Tommy Turberville on this week who

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Speaker 3: said this, This was his quote. He said, the US

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Speaker 3: military is not an equal opportunity employer. You are the father,

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Speaker 3: you are the stepfather of men who have given their

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Speaker 3: lives to this country, to our military. What do you

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Speaker 2: Well, I don't know the context of that remark. I

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Speaker 1: Mister Vice President, I feel like we should put a

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Speaker 1: finer point on that. We were asking him about his

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Speaker 1: decision to vote against C. Q. Brown, the new chairman

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Speaker 1: of the Joint Chiefs. He called and woke and said

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Speaker 1: that comment that Anne Marie just referred to. Is that

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Speaker 1: the wrong view for this country?

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Speaker 2: Well, look, I believe, and look, I have great respect

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Speaker 2: for General Brown, but I'm very frustrated when I see

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Speaker 2: the political correctness in the woke politics that's taken hold

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Speaker 2: of the Pentagon under the Biden administration. But I do

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Speaker 2: know how it works. I've worked in a White House,

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Speaker 2: I know how Pentagon. I mean that we have civilian

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Speaker 2: Senator Tubberville has every right to vote to confirm or

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Speaker 2: not to confirm. But for my part, I've made it

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Speaker 2: very clear that if I'm president of the United States,

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Speaker 2: We're going to build a military fitted to the widening

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Speaker 2: this woke politics out of the Pentagon on day one,

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Speaker 2: and that includes we're going to reinstitute the ban on

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Speaker 2: believe that that is not in the interest of having

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Speaker 2: put that common sense back into effect.

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Speaker 3: Vice President Mike Pence, thank you so much for joining us.

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Speaker 3: It's all the time we have today. Thank you again.

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Speaker 3: We hope you come back soon. Of course, the former

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