1 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 1: Episode seventy four of Fish Unfiltered. Marlins are coming off 2 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 1: salvaging the series against the San Diego Padres, defeating them 3 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 1: by a final score of ten to eight. That was 4 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 1: a crazy game. We'll talk about some key pieces of 5 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:35,200 Speaker 1: that one. Isaac, how we doing big guests today. Excited 6 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 1: to have him on. 7 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:36,159 Speaker 2: It's been a while. 8 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 1: Last time he had him on, it was right after 9 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 1: the twenty twenty four trade deadlineers. A lot has happened 10 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:43,920 Speaker 1: since then, you know, for Craig, and we're excited to 11 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 1: have you on. 12 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:45,520 Speaker 3: Craig, how are we doing? 13 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:49,920 Speaker 2: Of course, great to see you guys. That's everything not 14 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 2: too bad. 15 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:53,559 Speaker 1: I want to start with what's been going on with you? 16 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 3: Craig. 17 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 1: You made a big announcement and that you were going 18 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 1: to join fan Dual Sports Network to do the pre 19 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 1: I believe Postgame show as well. How has that been 20 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 1: for you? 21 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:05,679 Speaker 2: How's a transition? But I'm like, yeah, look at it's 22 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 2: definitely been different, and it's it's exciting. It's a lot 23 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 2: of fun to prepare in a different way for the 24 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:15,119 Speaker 2: games that I have in the past. Definitely has changed 25 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:17,319 Speaker 2: my view on a lot of things and sort of 26 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 2: how I report I think that's probably obvious to everybody too. 27 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:24,040 Speaker 2: But you know, Kevin, after doing this as long as 28 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:26,039 Speaker 2: I've been doing it, it just kind of came to 29 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 2: the point where I thought it was a natural transition 30 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 2: to go on to the broadcast, and in the off season, 31 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 2: you know, had some discussions about making myself available for that, 32 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 2: and you know, Fandel, you know, spoke to them about 33 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:42,760 Speaker 2: you know, games and the amount of games of what 34 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:44,839 Speaker 2: I would be doing and sort of how it would work, 35 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 2: and at least from the results I've seen thus far, 36 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 2: everyone is really enjoying it. So I'm hopeful this is 37 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 2: the beginning of something even more I guess that you know, 38 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 2: sort of remains to be seen. But been also doing 39 00:01:57,640 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 2: you know, some commentary in the radio booth as well 40 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 2: during some of the games also, and believe I'll still 41 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 2: be continuing that and having a lot of fun doing it. 42 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 2: And you know, it's definitely different for me in the 43 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 2: way of sort of doing things with the club or 44 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:14,640 Speaker 2: you know, in concert with the club, as opposed to 45 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 2: doing things independently. But I definitely felt like it was 46 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 2: time for me career wise to make the step. 47 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 1: Yeah. 48 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 3: Well, I mean, that's the person that watched. It's a 49 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 3: lot of the broadcast. 50 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 4: You being on there at least give us some reason 51 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 4: to watch the Marlins Live pre game show. As before 52 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 4: it didn't really for almost as much attention on my 53 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 4: in my way anyway. But what I want to ask 54 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 4: you was, given that you are sort of being concert 55 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 4: with the team, I'm curious if that sort of limits 56 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 4: you with some of your thoughts when you are tweeting 57 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 4: or reporting on the Marlins, if there's some negative thoughts, 58 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:44,640 Speaker 4: if maybe you frustrain yourself a little bit now that 59 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 4: you are a little bit of working I guess with 60 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 4: the team. 61 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, yeah, of course, yeah, No, I mean 62 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 2: it definitely is the case. Yeah, I think that what's changed. 63 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 2: I think the biggest change for I think maybe from 64 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 2: my reporting in the past as to now is the 65 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 2: breaking news aspect of it, which is being part of 66 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 2: the broadcast. We do get more access to things that 67 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 2: are going on on the club from people in different times. 68 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 2: I just had to work a lot harder to get 69 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:19,920 Speaker 2: that independently as opposed to now. But I think with 70 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:24,639 Speaker 2: that it also means that at least I feel personally 71 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 2: I'm a little bit more restricted into how the news 72 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 2: is broken because I do have access to some of that, 73 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 2: so I think that I'll still be able to do 74 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 2: what I've been doing in the past, but it's definitely 75 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 2: coming in a different way. But the sacrifice for that 76 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 2: is being able to be on the pregame show and 77 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 2: doing it on TV, and I just kind of felt like, hey, 78 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 2: look from a family point of view, monetarily and career 79 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 2: point of view, breaking news and doing all that stuff 80 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 2: that I did both locally and naturally, by the way, 81 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 2: and I'm not really doing anything naturally right now, just 82 00:03:56,720 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 2: because I've chosen to go this path. I guess at 83 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 2: some point, guys, you know, it can become lucrative, like 84 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 2: some of the best news breakers that are out there 85 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 2: for me, but for me personally, I just really wasn't 86 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 2: seeing enough financial outcome to that. It was fantastic working 87 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:18,839 Speaker 2: for The Herald's There's no question that I had, you know, 88 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 2: a lot of great memories doing articles there and producing 89 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:23,920 Speaker 2: articles getting paid to do that, and the podcast, the 90 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:26,359 Speaker 2: Swings of Missions podcast also for a period of time 91 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 2: was financially good for a while too. But this is 92 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 2: something that I basically think that I could bring a 93 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:35,719 Speaker 2: lot to the table It's something that the FANDO Sports 94 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 2: Network has never had before. And while I am breaking 95 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 2: some news, some of it does, isa guess scaled back 96 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 2: just a little bit. And for people like yourself and 97 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:49,040 Speaker 2: people who are also in the industry, you guys do 98 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 2: have a much better opportunity to be ahead of me 99 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 2: in some of this stuff. Now, it doesn't mean that 100 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 2: I don't know what's going on, but I'm a little 101 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 2: bit more careful as to how my news is asseminated. Yes, 102 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 2: that is true. 103 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 1: I want to get into this this season so far 104 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 1: with you, Craig, because the Marmins currently find themselves twenty 105 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:11,360 Speaker 1: two thirty two. Uh, just lost the series to the Padres, 106 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:13,600 Speaker 1: but really could have made the case that that series 107 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 1: could have gone a lot differently, especially those first two games. 108 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 1: Marons got off to a three to all lead, blew 109 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 1: that sixth the lead, blew that then losing six to 110 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:23,919 Speaker 1: six to one, come back. 111 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 3: When at tened eight. 112 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 1: Overall, a lot of good, a lot of bad as well. 113 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 1: How do you assess this team so far? And just 114 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:32,720 Speaker 1: Clayton McCullough through you know, as many games as you've 115 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 1: been through right now. 116 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, Kevin, you know I don't play that 117 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 2: what if game, because we could have done that with 118 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:39,839 Speaker 2: the Angels. You know, we can all these series and 119 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:41,840 Speaker 2: say what if and they should have won. You know, 120 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:43,920 Speaker 2: I'm gonna get some text tonight that says, oh, we 121 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 2: should have won all three, you know, like I like, 122 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 2: and you should have lost all three against the Angels, right, 123 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 2: I really, I think baseball just even itself out over 124 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 2: the course of the season. And you know the thing 125 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 2: that that it has a little bit of twenty twenty 126 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 2: three in me this year. And I'll say this, the 127 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 2: Marlins are in all likelihood not going to make the postseason, okay, 128 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:06,480 Speaker 2: but it does feel a little bit like the summer 129 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:09,719 Speaker 2: of twenty twenty three, where just when you felt the 130 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 2: Marlin season was about to completely break, I would win 131 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 2: a couple and get back in it. Like it kind 132 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:16,160 Speaker 2: of feels the same way, like if they would have 133 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 2: lost this one, they would have been twelve games under 134 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 2: on pace for over one hundred losses. They win, they're 135 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:25,039 Speaker 2: only ten. It feels like it's like, Okay, this is 136 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 2: a little bit better than maybe what you thought it 137 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 2: would be. So that's kind of my theory on the 138 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 2: season is it's a little bit better I think than 139 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 2: I thought. A lot of it is, of course, because 140 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:39,160 Speaker 2: Augustin Ramirez, I think, has been a major factor on offense, 141 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 2: and you're finally starting to see some offensive players come 142 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 2: through the pipeline. Even though he did come from the Yankees. 143 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:47,719 Speaker 2: You're starting to see some of that happen, and that 144 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 2: I think is a cause for optimism for sure. So 145 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 2: I'm not trying to be delusional in saying that the 146 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 2: Marlins are gonna win eighty five or ninety games. But 147 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 2: at the same time, this could be a lot different. 148 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 2: I don't think, guys, we would have expected them to 149 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 2: look like the Rockies, but it wouldn't have shocked anybody 150 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 2: to see them be twenty games under five hundred at 151 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 2: this point. So ten is what it is. 152 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to talk about Yuri, who just completed 153 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 1: another rehab assignment in a Jacksonville has a couple more 154 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 1: after that, Greg. More or less, what we're hearing is 155 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:25,679 Speaker 1: a timeline for Yerie and how do you think they'll 156 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:27,679 Speaker 1: handle him? You know, I they did it last time, 157 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 1: but this was a healthy Yuri Perez, and well he's 158 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 1: gonna be healthy, but he's just coming off this injury 159 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 1: and really hasn't been let loose at the major league 160 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 1: level ever yet, So how do you think they'll go 161 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 1: about handling someone like like Uri? 162 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, they'll be careful. Again, I think, if I had 163 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 2: to guess, I think at least one more start, maybe two. 164 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 2: I think what I said on the network was that 165 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 2: he would return for that home homestand later in June 166 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 2: play the Phillies and Braves. But you know, that can change. 167 00:07:58,400 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 2: They could, they could get rid of one of those 168 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 2: rehab starts. But I believe he's definitely making another one. 169 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 2: They said that he wanted to, you know, have five innings. 170 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 2: He got that. I believe it was yesterday or today whenever. 171 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 2: That was. So. Yeah, I think he'll be back and 172 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 2: he'll add to the rotation, which definitely needs some help 173 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 2: because it's, you know, let's just be honest, the starting 174 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 2: rotation has just been wildly inconsistent from start to start. 175 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 2: You really don't know what you're gonna get. I mean, 176 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 2: you know, Cabrera was fantastic his last start. Can this 177 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 2: guy put together two back to back? I don't know. 178 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 2: We've almost never seen it. Matt Meyer looked great for 179 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 2: a period of time. He's taken a little bit of 180 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 2: a step back, getting hit a little more sandy starts 181 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 2: have been inconsistent, so I think that's the word is 182 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 2: they're looking for a little bit more consistency there because 183 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:42,719 Speaker 2: there's only so many times you can go to the 184 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:44,680 Speaker 2: bullpen and ask for three or four innings, and they've 185 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 2: been they've pretty much had to do that almost every night. 186 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:49,319 Speaker 4: All right, Wellatchington to go off point really quick, even 187 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 4: when the starters are giving them five to six good innings, 188 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 4: where they could maybe give the bullpen a night off. 189 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 4: They seem to be really strict and letting some of 190 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:58,079 Speaker 4: these guys face a line of a third time through. 191 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:01,080 Speaker 4: It wasn't the case as much last year. Obviously, circumstances 192 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 4: are different. How much of that is Mandrick Clay mccollough's 193 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 4: call or is that all coming from upstairs? A few instances, 194 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:10,439 Speaker 4: for example, Von dei Billosa gets the Dodger's calfwanto. The 195 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 4: other day forty six pitchers against the Angels gets yanked. 196 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 4: It seems to be a different philosophy in twenty twenty five. 197 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:20,959 Speaker 2: Yep, no question. The organization believes that a relief pitcher 198 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:25,200 Speaker 2: that comes in fresh almost every time outside of an 199 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 2: elite starter is going to be better against a lineup 200 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 2: the third time through when a relief pitcher comes in. 201 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 2: That's their belief. So that's why you're still seeing a 202 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 2: lot of that. I think in my I can give 203 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 2: you my opinion because I do have a good opinion 204 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 2: on this, and you know when it pertains to this, 205 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 2: I think some of that is valid. If you have 206 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 2: a sandy al contra or you have and I know 207 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 2: they've taken weathers out, but if you have a weather's 208 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 2: that's going great. I think that you would keep those 209 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:57,559 Speaker 2: guys in. But where I sort of, you know, disagree 210 00:09:57,679 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 2: a little bit with that concept is that the data 211 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:03,320 Speaker 2: is going to tell you what the Marlins are trying 212 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 2: to do is valid, and the data will tell you 213 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 2: that the third time through, starting pitchers generally are going 214 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 2: to get hit more than relief pitchers. My opinion on 215 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 2: this is and this is no disrespect to any relief pitcher. 216 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:18,440 Speaker 2: If that is the case, then why are these relief 217 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:21,719 Speaker 2: pitchers not starting? To me, the reason why they're not 218 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:25,319 Speaker 2: is because they can't and they're not starters. They didn't 219 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 2: grow up sixteen seventeen years old dreaming of coming in 220 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:30,560 Speaker 2: in the seventh inning in a Major League baseball game. 221 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 2: They thought they were going to be starters. So to me, 222 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 2: that talent is always going to be stronger from most 223 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:39,319 Speaker 2: of the starting pitchers. So even though the data is 224 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 2: probably going to state that, I do take exception to that, 225 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 2: especially when a starter is going good and he has 226 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:47,320 Speaker 2: the potential to be a top three starter on a 227 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:50,320 Speaker 2: Major League baseball team. Almost all times, more often than not, 228 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 2: those guys are better than the relief pitchers. So, like 229 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 2: you guys, it is a little confusing to me, But 230 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 2: I understand the strategy the Marlins are trying to employ 231 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:02,440 Speaker 2: because he works as it does. But for me, I 232 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 2: don't know. A starting pitcher to me, is gonna get 233 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 2: paid two hundred million and a relief pitcher is gonna 234 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 2: get paid what forty fifty at most? So what does 235 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:12,320 Speaker 2: that tell you who's the better player? It's the starter? 236 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, I would agree, just sort of eliminating the whole 237 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 4: human element, you know, for in that game with the 238 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 4: Dodgers and Valens just dominating and the game plan was working, 239 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:22,440 Speaker 4: and then as soon as you take out that starting 240 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 4: pitcher and all I'll crumble down quick. Another starting pitch 241 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:26,839 Speaker 4: I'd like to ask you about I'm sure it's just 242 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 4: as demoralizing for you to watch as it is for us. 243 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 3: Just Samuel Contra unable to get anything going. 244 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 4: Aside from his first four innings on opening Day, he 245 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 4: has been basically live batting practice for these opposing teams. 246 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 3: He has not looked the same. 247 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:42,720 Speaker 4: If you had a guess as to what it is, 248 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 4: is it just he went so long without pitching? 249 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 3: Is it mental? At this point? What do you think 250 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 3: is going on with Miami's ace? 251 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:50,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I've you know, kind of heard a 252 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:53,560 Speaker 2: lot of different stuff, so you know, none of it 253 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:57,320 Speaker 2: seems to be valid at this point. There was a 254 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:00,200 Speaker 2: couple there was a couple of conversations I had that 255 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 2: alluded to him, you know, throw pitching the ball this 256 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:10,560 Speaker 2: season faster than he ever has when he catches the 257 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:13,080 Speaker 2: ball and delivers it to the plate, basically not taking 258 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:17,560 Speaker 2: his time and letting the clock go down and immediately throwing. 259 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 2: That was something that I heard, you know, kind of 260 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 2: saw that through a little bit and saw that to 261 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 2: be the case. But I don't know that that had 262 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:26,680 Speaker 2: any effect. You know, other part of it is is 263 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:31,080 Speaker 2: that is it just come down to that Stallings was 264 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 2: just a superior game caller to any of these other players, 265 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:38,439 Speaker 2: because Sandy generally is going to really work with the 266 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 2: catcher very well. And it wasn't just that magical season 267 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 2: that Stallings and him were in concert every single start. 268 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:49,959 Speaker 2: Maybe that's it too, But like you guys, I'm sort 269 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 2: of searching for it also because there's really nothing that 270 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:55,200 Speaker 2: I could put my finger on that tells me, hey, 271 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 2: this is the exact reason why. And and honestly, it 272 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 2: kind of dates back to when he pitched in twenty 273 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 2: twenty three too, So I've been asked a lot about it. 274 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 2: I still maintain he's gonna figure it out. But you know, 275 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 2: it's kind of at this point, it's kind of time 276 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 2: for us to stop saying, oh, well, it was just 277 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 2: one inning or all. It was just a lot of 278 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 2: singles or a lot of you know, seeing eye hits here. 279 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 2: You know, they've got to get together as a group. 280 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 2: And by the way, Melton, you know, mel Stottlemeyer, who 281 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 2: you guys probably know, is you know, one of my 282 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:27,680 Speaker 2: favorite guys. You know, I mean, I personally don't think 283 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:30,440 Speaker 2: like that it's this big of an impact that could 284 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 2: cause him to have an era over eight, which is 285 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:36,199 Speaker 2: I think the highest in the NL are close to it. 286 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 2: So I really don't think that that's it. Maybe Sandy 287 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:44,560 Speaker 2: would say differently privately, he hasn't told me that, So 288 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 2: I'm gonna just maintain that. I think at some point 289 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 2: he'll get it turned around. But we also have to 290 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 2: acknowledge at this point what is turning around look like 291 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 2: is it's six innings and three runs and five innings 292 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 2: and three runs and seven innings and four runs. That 293 00:13:56,480 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 2: may be the case. And so the Marlins, to me, are, 294 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 2: you know, basically have one month to decide, Hey, look, 295 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 2: are we like seriously going to entertain shopping this guy 296 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 2: or is it just best that we hang on and 297 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:09,079 Speaker 2: try to redo this again next year? 298 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess it just depends on how much they 299 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:15,319 Speaker 4: want to shed that remaining salary obvious contrac I assume 300 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 4: that plays a major role, and. 301 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 2: I don't think so. I know what you're saying, Isaac, 302 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 2: And yes, his salary plays a major role, But that 303 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 2: salary has to be replaced, you know what I'm saying, 304 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 2: Like you can't they're in Marlins. I'm not going to 305 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 2: go into next year with a forty million or something 306 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 2: like that, So you know, let's not discount the fact 307 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 2: that that's I mean per Look, they could have a 308 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 2: low payroll. I don't know that it'll matter one way 309 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 2: or the other. I mean, Miami could be five games 310 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 2: better next year, ten games better, five games worse. It 311 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 2: could be around the same thing. But I just I 312 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 2: don't foresee them having a payroll of forty million like that. 313 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 2: I think they would have to go go out. 314 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 3: And get some guys that would that would be hard 315 00:14:57,040 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 3: to defend. 316 00:14:57,760 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 4: On the opposite end of the spectrum, a positive note 317 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 4: is Marlin's top prospect. 318 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 3: I we've seen Ramirez. 319 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 4: I don't think anyone could have guessed that he would 320 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 4: perform as well as he has. That trade for Jesters 321 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 4: and Junior is looking really good right now for the 322 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 4: Miami and I gotta. 323 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 3: Ask, obviously he's performed great. 324 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 4: Marlins have not extended a player in a very long time. 325 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 4: Is this someone that they might consider doing that with? 326 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 2: I mean, we're way too early, I think to make 327 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 2: that call on him. So yeah, I mean, is it possible, Sure, 328 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 2: But I mean we're two months into this, so it 329 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 2: would to me it would have to be an off 330 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 2: season thing with him. I don't see that happening right now, 331 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 2: but you know, never say never. I think that they're 332 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 2: open to extensions. Let's put it that way, okay. 333 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 1: Anohing I wanted to ask you about was Xavier Edwards, 334 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 1: who is currently on the IL so to come back 335 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 1: probably on you know, next homes on the Rocky Series. 336 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 1: I would have to say, how would you assess how 337 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 1: he's looked so far at shortstop? We know that their 338 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 1: intention is to bring him back play shortstop hasn't looked good. 339 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 2: In fact, I. 340 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 1: Think some of the numbers are even worse than last season, 341 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 1: at least arm strength wise and other things just and 342 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 1: then you're looking at someone like an Auto Lopez who 343 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 1: looks really good at shortstop, has a good arm like 344 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 1: it's been really good stuff from him in this sample size. 345 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 1: And even then when he's you know, you look at 346 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 1: the leadoff spot, jesus Anchez is look good. Augustin against 347 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 1: left handed pitching has been good. 348 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 2: Where do you see Edwards? 349 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 1: How how much longer do you think they'll continue this 350 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 1: shortstop experiment? Do you think he should still be leading 351 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 1: off for the Marlins? Where you stand with him right now, 352 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 1: It's been a weird season for him. 353 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 2: It has. He's a really good player. I think he's 354 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 2: gonna he's one of those by low guys. For me, 355 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 2: I think he's going to be excellent in the second half. 356 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 2: The thing that the Marlins kind of have to identify, 357 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 2: and it's crazy to say, we may be right back 358 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 2: down the road like we were with Luisa Rayas, where 359 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 2: Edwards may be more valuable to another team than he 360 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 2: is the Marlins Like it's crazy to say, but think 361 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 2: about it, like do they I mean, Augustin Ramirez let 362 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:07,200 Speaker 2: off today, Like do they really need a table setter 363 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:09,680 Speaker 2: on a team that's not going to make the postseason? 364 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:12,199 Speaker 2: Because this is basically what he does. Kevin. The other 365 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 2: part of it, too, is there is serious evaluation going 366 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 2: on with him right now at shortstop. I'm not sure 367 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 2: that he is shortstop for the remainder of the season. 368 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 2: With the Marlins. They feel like he could potentially be 369 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:27,720 Speaker 2: a goal glover at second I think there's a chance 370 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:29,920 Speaker 2: that that ends up happening. I don't know if it's 371 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 2: now in a month, two month, three months. So he's 372 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:37,440 Speaker 2: one of those players I think that you know, certainly 373 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 2: could remain with the team long term and at the 374 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:42,520 Speaker 2: end of the season, but also wouldn't surprise me for 375 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 2: them to take a look and say, hey, look, you 376 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 2: know we've identified it. At this point, we believe that 377 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 2: I'm not again, You're right, Kevin. I do think we'll 378 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 2: get another chance to play shortstop, and I just don't 379 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:54,199 Speaker 2: know if they view him as the long term. 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You know, 396 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 1: look here, look really good in that sixty game stretch. 397 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:52,399 Speaker 1: But someone else I want to ask you about it 398 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:54,680 Speaker 1: is Matt Murvis. I think you mentioned this. I think 399 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:58,160 Speaker 1: on the radio was recently that maybe Troy Johnson finally 400 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:01,440 Speaker 1: gets his opportunity after so long and nervous, has really 401 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 1: just struggled. 402 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:02,399 Speaker 2: You know. 403 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 1: I don't think I've driven in a run since April 404 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:08,400 Speaker 1: twenty third or something like that against the Reds. Where 405 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:09,600 Speaker 1: did the Marlin stend with him? 406 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 3: Right now? 407 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:13,800 Speaker 1: He's really struggled. Thought maybe he had finally figured it 408 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:17,399 Speaker 1: out early on. And what's up with Troy because this 409 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:19,880 Speaker 1: is a guy who's not on the forty man and 410 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:22,040 Speaker 1: he's putting up some of the better numbers of his 411 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:26,320 Speaker 1: career at age twenty seven, unfortunately for him. But yeah, 412 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 1: what what's going on with this whole situation? And how 413 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:30,960 Speaker 1: soon can we see someone like Troy actually debut for 414 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:31,960 Speaker 1: the Marlins. 415 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 3: Third straight year. We've asked Craig miss on this show. 416 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 2: This is the this is the closest I think that 417 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 2: that it will be. And I do, and I do 418 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 2: think by the way that had had Mervis uh struggled 419 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 2: right out of the gate or gotten hurt or maybe 420 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:51,159 Speaker 2: Waghman gotten hurt, I do think that they would have 421 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:52,919 Speaker 2: called him up. The issue that they had was with 422 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:56,159 Speaker 2: the middle indfield, first with Lopez and then with x. 423 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:58,920 Speaker 2: So that's why Ronnie Simon is on the team, and 424 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 2: that's really the old reason Ronnie Simon is on the team. 425 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 2: So Troy potentially could have got his shot had something 426 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:07,880 Speaker 2: else happen. The other thing that is sort of working 427 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:10,160 Speaker 2: against him at this point is Wagaman is playing pretty good. 428 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:12,920 Speaker 2: So all of a sudden, maybe the Marlins are like, 429 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:15,359 Speaker 2: all right, you know what, let's just play wagonm in 430 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 2: first place, and so be it. Miami does Miami. The 431 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:21,919 Speaker 2: Marlins are high on Wagonman. They feel like they may 432 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 2: have found something here. They're not really positive what, but 433 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:28,639 Speaker 2: if you consider what they're paying him and sort of 434 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 2: how they found him, they kind of feel like he's 435 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:34,159 Speaker 2: a find where he could be an everyday player in 436 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 2: the big leagues. So they're pleasantly surprised with him. As 437 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:39,200 Speaker 2: far as Troy is concerned and Matt Murvis is concerned, 438 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:42,119 Speaker 2: I think Matt, you know, for him, and you know, 439 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:44,160 Speaker 2: you know, talk to him in the clubhouse and stuff 440 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 2: like that. I feel terrible for him, you know, I 441 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 2: really really did think what I saw in April was 442 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 2: the beginning of a breakout, it clearly is not the case. 443 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:56,720 Speaker 2: I think that he probably in his heart knows he's 444 00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 2: running out of time too. I said a couple of weeks, 445 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:01,680 Speaker 2: I think on the broadcast, which was about a week ago. 446 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 2: You know they got a home stand coming up here 447 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:07,960 Speaker 2: against the Giants against the Rockies. I don't I don't 448 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:10,359 Speaker 2: think much more than that. I think he's got to 449 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 2: pick it up here in the next few days. And 450 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:14,199 Speaker 2: by the way, is it fair to him to just 451 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 2: not play now and ask to pick it up. I 452 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 2: don't think so. So it may just be better for 453 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 2: him to get some minor league at bats at this point, 454 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 2: because if he's only going to play once every three 455 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:24,360 Speaker 2: or four days, I don't see the point of having 456 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:25,160 Speaker 2: him in the big leagues. 457 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:26,920 Speaker 1: So that's the other thing I want to ask, because 458 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 1: I know he has an option left. Would they just 459 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:30,440 Speaker 1: option him with the DFAME if that was the case, 460 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 1: how would that work with. 461 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:33,920 Speaker 2: I'm not positive about that, Kevin, So I don't, you know, 462 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 2: unfair for me to answer that. I don't know. 463 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 1: And I guess the other thing that came out today, 464 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 1: either today or yesterday, was that they're going to be 465 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:42,439 Speaker 1: trying Liam Hicks out at first base as well, and that, 466 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:44,639 Speaker 1: I guess leads into the next question, which would be 467 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:47,879 Speaker 1: on the catching situation. They're currently having three catchers on 468 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 1: the roster with Joe Mack and Triple A, and Joe 469 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 1: Mack continues to just rake and look awesome, where were 470 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 1: things currently with that position? And credit to dumb the 471 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:01,360 Speaker 1: position that at least catcher is probably the best it's 472 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 1: been in a very long time. Definitely, And do you 473 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:05,879 Speaker 1: think they could trade someone like a Nick Fortez. I know, 474 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 1: we just saw Matt Tys get traded recently. You don't 475 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:11,119 Speaker 1: usually see catchers getting moved. But if they really like 476 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:14,360 Speaker 1: Liam Hicks, obviously Augustin's gonna be here for the long 477 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 1: run and Joe magg Is on the cusp, it seems 478 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:19,119 Speaker 1: like forts is maybe the odd man out in this 479 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:21,160 Speaker 1: whole thing, and they could get some sort of value 480 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 1: from him just what he's done defensively. 481 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:26,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not sure what a player like that would 482 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:29,200 Speaker 2: bring back in the trade. I mean I don't know, 483 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 2: I mean maybe. I mean, look, catching around the league 484 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 2: is so poor that you know, if we were to 485 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 2: look at fifteen teams and say, could Fortes be better 486 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:43,960 Speaker 2: than fifteen other catchers in the big leagues right now. 487 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:48,960 Speaker 2: Maybe maybe, I guess, but it's also hard to trade 488 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,400 Speaker 2: for a catcher during the season doesn't know the pitchers, 489 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 2: which is why you almost ever see it. But they 490 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:56,440 Speaker 2: do not want to send Hicks back. He's not going back, 491 00:22:56,560 --> 00:23:00,159 Speaker 2: So Hicks for the time being. My understanding is what 492 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 2: they've told him, Hey, look, when you play, you play, 493 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:06,160 Speaker 2: and when you don't, you know, enjoy the food because 494 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 2: you're in the big leagues. You know, that's kind of 495 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:10,720 Speaker 2: a deal. Like, you're here, we're not going back. We 496 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:13,119 Speaker 2: really like what you've seen, what we've seen, and you 497 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 2: just got to kind of bide your time. Do I 498 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:18,439 Speaker 2: think that Ramirez is the long term answer at catcher. 499 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 2: I'm not sure, but my sense is is that you'll 500 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 2: you'll see more of him catching and more of Hicks 501 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 2: catching in the second half of the season. Could for 502 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 2: Tesby moved certainly at this point, I don't think that 503 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 2: there's going to be any serious offers or consideration for him. 504 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 2: But I feel like those two Ramirez and Hicks maybe 505 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 2: August and September. 506 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:45,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, you mentioned Joe Mack. Is he someone we could 507 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 4: see up in the major leagues? 508 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 2: This year at the end, maybe in September. 509 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 3: Okay, all right, well. 510 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 4: That brings up the other any other I guess potential 511 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:54,200 Speaker 4: trade candidates. 512 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 3: I do it will be the same as last. 513 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 4: Year, where you know they that trade deadline day in 514 00:23:57,880 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 4: Saint Pete was just crazy. 515 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 3: It was Yeah, everyone in that bullpen. 516 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,639 Speaker 4: I assume, including today, he had a little bit of 517 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 4: rough outing Ronnie Henriquez, who has been another tremendous fine. 518 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:10,399 Speaker 4: I don't know how the Wagman find have been argument 519 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:13,399 Speaker 4: for that one, but Ronnie Henriquez has been incredible for 520 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 4: the Marvels this year. Are they listening on practically every 521 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:18,399 Speaker 4: single relief pitcher on this roster? 522 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 2: I would assume. So I think that if you said 523 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:26,399 Speaker 2: to me, like to guarantee that there'd be players on 524 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 2: the team that you know for sure in August and 525 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:33,960 Speaker 2: September would be there, I would say Uri Perez, and 526 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 2: I would say Augustin Ramirez and then beyond that. Look, 527 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 2: I'm not saying Wagaman is not you know, couldn't get traded. 528 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:44,159 Speaker 2: I'm just saying like they value him, so it's not 529 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,119 Speaker 2: like you're going to give him away. They're not going 530 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 2: to move Xavier Edwards away. They're not going to give 531 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 2: Otto Lopez away, or Ryan Weathers or Maximi or anyone else. 532 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:55,160 Speaker 2: But the two names that I gave you, I think 533 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:57,679 Speaker 2: they feel are the building blocks for the team. And 534 00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 2: then beyond that, I think they'll listen Norby two. You know, 535 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:07,160 Speaker 2: I think the view on Norby is he's an everyday player. 536 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:09,439 Speaker 2: I think that they like what he brings, and the 537 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:14,480 Speaker 2: same goes for Stours. With Norby, I think the data 538 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:16,440 Speaker 2: shows he's been a little bit lucky, He's got to 539 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:18,639 Speaker 2: probably take more pitches, walk a little bit more. I 540 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,879 Speaker 2: think that that's what they'd like to see. And is 541 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 2: he an everyday player in the big leagues? Absolutely? Can 542 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 2: he be better? Can he be an All Star? Absolutely? 543 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 2: But you know, again, next year, what does next year 544 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:34,879 Speaker 2: look like? I'm not sure. Maybe it's a little bit better. 545 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:36,920 Speaker 2: And then all of a sudden you're starting to get 546 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,679 Speaker 2: into closer to arbitration years and everything else again with 547 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 2: some of these players. So I'm not saying that they're 548 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,119 Speaker 2: like cleaning house like they did last year and you're 549 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:46,760 Speaker 2: gonna see seventeen guys traded. I don't think that's the case. 550 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,399 Speaker 2: But every team sort of has to identify what the 551 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:53,640 Speaker 2: building blocks are, and Uri Perez is one, Ramirez is two, 552 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:56,960 Speaker 2: And I expect most of the players you see to 553 00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:58,919 Speaker 2: still be on the team after the trade deadline, but 554 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 2: don't be shocked if somebody's move. 555 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:03,920 Speaker 1: I'm glad that Isaac mentioned that, Dan say Pete, because 556 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:06,080 Speaker 1: a lot of those trades seem to finally, you know, 557 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:10,879 Speaker 1: be showing, you know, like the success of those individuals 558 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 1: at the big league level. How would you assess that 559 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 1: trade deadline now almost a year later? And I guess 560 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:18,480 Speaker 1: how would you assess how Peter Bendix has done now 561 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,440 Speaker 1: in the mints of year this year two. 562 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:25,000 Speaker 2: It seems to me he's hitting better than fifty percent, 563 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:29,840 Speaker 2: which is really new. So we start there. Yeah, I mean, 564 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:34,359 Speaker 2: I mean generally speaking, that's that's been the case. So look, 565 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 2: I mean free agency. The only two moves that were 566 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:41,920 Speaker 2: seven figure moves were Tim Anderson last year and Cal 567 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 2: Quantrill this year, and so we can't we know what 568 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:48,439 Speaker 2: Tim Anderson was okay, but Cal Quantrill still remains to 569 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:50,240 Speaker 2: be seen, so I think the jury is still out. 570 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:53,000 Speaker 2: He's pitching much better if they end up flipping him 571 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:54,879 Speaker 2: at the deadline for something, and he pitches really good 572 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,239 Speaker 2: that's going to be a win. So maybe it's a 573 00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,360 Speaker 2: wash as far as free agency, but these little free 574 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:02,200 Speaker 2: agents that they like, Otto Lopez or I don't know 575 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,960 Speaker 2: how they got him some sort of deal or claim, yeah, 576 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,439 Speaker 2: waiver claim. So that's been a good move, Wagaman, like 577 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:10,720 Speaker 2: I said, has been a good move. The trade, the 578 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,240 Speaker 2: Trevor Rodgers trade to acquire the two players from Baltimore, 579 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 2: obviously that was a good move. Augustin Ramirez looks like 580 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,640 Speaker 2: it was a great move. So all of those are 581 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 2: on the good side. I'm not sure that they got 582 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:25,879 Speaker 2: anything for aj Puck at this point, because you know, 583 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 2: Dela Santos did not look great in spring training and 584 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:30,680 Speaker 2: still has a lot of work to do at the 585 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,080 Speaker 2: minor league level. I think Troy's ahead of him as 586 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 2: far as being a call up. So that's on the 587 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:38,199 Speaker 2: other side of it. But you know, again, things can 588 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 2: change quickly and then you'd have to tell me what 589 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 2: were the other you know, the Dela Cruz trade was 590 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:47,080 Speaker 2: was a nothing for either side. I don't know. Oh yeah, 591 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,439 Speaker 2: well that one, yeah, that one obviously looks looks like 592 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,000 Speaker 2: it was pretty good for Philadelphia. Look, I don't know 593 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 2: a ton about Starlin Kabbe, just look at the stats 594 00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 2: at this point. What I'm gonna say is is that 595 00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:01,399 Speaker 2: if Lozardo is healthy and Philadelphia makes that bet and 596 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 2: wins that bet, that's a great bet that they end 597 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 2: up winning and going to the postseason. I just don't 598 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:07,880 Speaker 2: think that there were a lot of teams that thought 599 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,199 Speaker 2: that Lozarta was healthy enough to make a trade for him. 600 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:14,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree it was a risk and Philadelphia, Yeah, 601 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:17,200 Speaker 4: And if Miami had hold on to him and they 602 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 4: and he got hurt again, then you get even worse than. 603 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:22,400 Speaker 3: You can. 604 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:24,239 Speaker 4: One question I had for you, Creig, last time we 605 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 4: had the ballpark together. We were discussing one of the 606 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 4: articles in the Sun Sentinel by David Hide. I believe 607 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:31,679 Speaker 4: it was during the teams, not just the Marlins, just 608 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,000 Speaker 4: teams around the league for reluctance to spend a free 609 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 4: agency until there is some clarity regarding the collective bargaining 610 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:38,360 Speaker 4: agreement that is said to inspire. 611 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,840 Speaker 3: I believe in a couple of years. Is it fair 612 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:41,680 Speaker 3: to say. 613 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,040 Speaker 4: That, you know, not just the Marlins, but a few 614 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 4: other small, low revenue teams are going to be very 615 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,440 Speaker 4: hesitant in spending much more. Miami to spend eight point 616 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 4: five million dollars unless two offseasons combined on free agents. 617 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 4: Do you see that trend continuing, particularly with the Marlins, 618 00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 4: given that they're just going to wait to see if 619 00:28:58,040 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 4: there's a cap floor or both. 620 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,160 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, the first thing is that from I think, 621 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:04,640 Speaker 2: I don't want to speak for the Marlins, but from 622 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:08,960 Speaker 2: the Marlins perspective, you could have gone, Look, I understand 623 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,040 Speaker 2: that fans want to see spending, and they want to see, 624 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 2: you know, new players, and they want to see free agents. 625 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 2: I personally don't think that another ten million or eight million, 626 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,200 Speaker 2: or another Tim Anderson or something like that would have 627 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:24,760 Speaker 2: done anything to get Miami closer to Atlanta, Philadelphia or 628 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,320 Speaker 2: New York. So this year in particular is what I'm 629 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:30,680 Speaker 2: speaking to. I personally do not care that they didn't 630 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:32,840 Speaker 2: do anything. To me. The Marlins were a team that 631 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:36,280 Speaker 2: if they beat you know, get under one hundred losses 632 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,120 Speaker 2: ninety something losses, and then that would have been above 633 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,840 Speaker 2: the expectations where the season was. If they added a 634 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,240 Speaker 2: couple of players, people have said, oh, wow, they're spending money, 635 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 2: But what would it really have done. It would have 636 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:46,560 Speaker 2: made us happy for a few minutes and then if 637 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:48,000 Speaker 2: the guy is not good, we would have ripped the 638 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:52,040 Speaker 2: move anyway. So so for me, that's what this year was. 639 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,120 Speaker 2: I don't know what next year is going to look like, 640 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:59,080 Speaker 2: but I do think, Isaac, that there's just no competing 641 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:03,720 Speaker 2: with high revenue teams at that level. To have a 642 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,040 Speaker 2: payroll of one hundred million and then another team of 643 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 2: a two hundred and fifty million is just not a 644 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:12,000 Speaker 2: sustainable product from Major League Baseball. I do think that 645 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 2: the players are going to be adverse to it, but 646 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:16,920 Speaker 2: there needs to be a cap. I believe there needs 647 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,360 Speaker 2: to be a floor, and I do think that if 648 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:22,000 Speaker 2: that happens in two years, I think you're going to 649 00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:27,000 Speaker 2: see the Marlins in this thing and fight hard. I do. 650 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:30,480 Speaker 2: I think at that point they'll have gone through a 651 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:34,040 Speaker 2: little player development, understanding what their positives are, how they 652 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,440 Speaker 2: can get the edges in different levels of the miners, 653 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,920 Speaker 2: and some of the development that they're doing throughout their system, 654 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:43,000 Speaker 2: Trip A, Double A and so forth, and then you know, 655 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,680 Speaker 2: understanding that teams can only spend a certain amount. Other 656 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 2: players will be available to Miami that wouldn't have been 657 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 2: before because other teams will be capped out and they're 658 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:57,000 Speaker 2: not able to spend. So to me, that's it. That 659 00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 2: that is where we're going to really learn how the 660 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:06,160 Speaker 2: Marlins can compete at this level against some of those juggernauts, 661 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:10,080 Speaker 2: because I just don't think without that guys that they can. 662 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:12,400 Speaker 2: I just don't. I just don't think that they can. 663 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:14,480 Speaker 2: Can they every once in a while, every three or 664 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 2: four years come up with a ninety win season, Yes, 665 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:21,320 Speaker 2: because it's baseball and teams do that. The Rangers did it, 666 00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,880 Speaker 2: the Diamondbacks did it. Can the Marlins jump to a 667 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:27,160 Speaker 2: ninety million dollars, Yes, they absolutely can. But sustainability over 668 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:30,360 Speaker 2: the long term, I don't think it's possible in this 669 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,800 Speaker 2: division to fight with the Mets, the Phillies, and the 670 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:36,560 Speaker 2: Braves with the current CBA, I think there needs to 671 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:37,240 Speaker 2: be a change. 672 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:40,520 Speaker 4: Well, I guess that answers pretty much. No, I just 673 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:42,080 Speaker 4: to play Devil's out, I feel a little bit. Obviously, 674 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:43,560 Speaker 4: I agree with you one hundred percent. If they had 675 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 4: added a few more of those fringe free agents this offseason, 676 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,800 Speaker 4: they're not winning many more games. However, on the off field, 677 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,720 Speaker 4: argument would be, you know, fans deserve to have their 678 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:56,360 Speaker 4: major league team sports team at least involved in some 679 00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,040 Speaker 4: sort of free agency talk because the Marlins fan knows 680 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:03,200 Speaker 4: that there is zero connection with Marlins at any medium 681 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,240 Speaker 4: sized free agency. So I feel like there is some 682 00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:07,400 Speaker 4: obligation as an owner, and you know, some of that 683 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:09,280 Speaker 4: runs a team too, at least give your fans hope 684 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:11,600 Speaker 4: that you might sign someone to an eight figure dealer 685 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:12,800 Speaker 4: or a nine figure deal eventually. 686 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:16,440 Speaker 2: But I guess and I understand that, but the track 687 00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:19,600 Speaker 2: record for free agents over the last several years has 688 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 2: been extremely poor with players, and so I think it 689 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:27,120 Speaker 2: takes two in this case. You know, let let the president, 690 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 2: Peter Bendix, get his feet under him a little bit 691 00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 2: understanding the kind of players that will work, you know, 692 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:34,520 Speaker 2: and then let the people who are going to spend 693 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:38,160 Speaker 2: the money determine when that's going to happen, because you know, 694 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,280 Speaker 2: there's there's a lot out there as far as what's 695 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:43,840 Speaker 2: not done. But and it has been a while Sinceava 696 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 2: sale Garcia, and it has been a while since Horges Vilaer. 697 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,680 Speaker 2: It feels real and I understand as a fan, it 698 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,680 Speaker 2: feels really bleak that this past year no money was spent. 699 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,080 Speaker 2: But what I would say to the fans is that 700 00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,280 Speaker 2: they did spend three years and thirty six on so 701 00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,640 Speaker 2: Layer and two on Segura and Johnny Cuato for ten 702 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:05,400 Speaker 2: and Avocelle Garcia for fifty and tim and and none 703 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:10,040 Speaker 2: of it worked. So it is hard to say, well, 704 00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,080 Speaker 2: do it again, you know, just keep doing it, Just 705 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:13,800 Speaker 2: keep doing it until it works. I mean, and I 706 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:17,080 Speaker 2: guess that's what let's do, you know, right, guess that's 707 00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,640 Speaker 2: what the Giants do. They just keep doing it over 708 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:23,040 Speaker 2: and over again. But it's just that it just didn't work. 709 00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:26,240 Speaker 2: So they went about it in a different way. Will 710 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:29,000 Speaker 2: that be the way? I don't know, you guys don't know, 711 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:35,480 Speaker 2: We have no idea, but drafting, developing, international making trades 712 00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:40,000 Speaker 2: supposedly being sharper than everybody else, gotta be the way 713 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:41,240 Speaker 2: that they got to go about doing it. 714 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:43,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, I agree. Just playing with. 715 00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:44,320 Speaker 2: The international side. 716 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:48,000 Speaker 1: It worked with V well, VMJ came up, but it's 717 00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:51,040 Speaker 1: another you know, guys up there. 718 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, they had Juan Soto, they traded him for a 719 00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:57,720 Speaker 2: franchise and got back Mackenzie Gore and James Wood and 720 00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:02,080 Speaker 2: who am I missing as Robert I mean in same 721 00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:05,520 Speaker 2: trade like that? I mean, yeah, like if if there 722 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,400 Speaker 2: was one player that Miami had, like that that they 723 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,840 Speaker 2: could move to and hit. By the way, on the 724 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,880 Speaker 2: on the trade, it's a it's an altering deal, by 725 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,680 Speaker 2: the way. That's another great point you brought up, Kevin, Like, 726 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:20,440 Speaker 2: who's to say that the Nationals aren't the twenty twenty 727 00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,400 Speaker 2: three Marlins and sitting there two games under five hundred. 728 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:25,840 Speaker 2: I mean that owners desperate, who knows, maybe they go 729 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,480 Speaker 2: out and spend some money and fight. Do not count 730 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,040 Speaker 2: out the Nationals this season either they are. They're gonna 731 00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:32,839 Speaker 2: be right there I think throughout the year, and then 732 00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,000 Speaker 2: they'll be back at it next year two And they 733 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:38,879 Speaker 2: could spend two hundred million, no problem. So it's it's 734 00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:40,000 Speaker 2: a tough position to be in. 735 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, there was the next an article about that in 736 00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:46,520 Speaker 4: the in the in the Athletic regarding the national situation. 737 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:48,680 Speaker 4: Just final one from us Craig and then we'll let 738 00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,239 Speaker 4: you go have dinner on this Wednesday night recording this 739 00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:54,160 Speaker 4: on May twenty eight. Uh, just your outlook for the 740 00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,320 Speaker 4: twenty twenty six Miami Marlins. 741 00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:58,479 Speaker 3: You ui the Tony voice. 742 00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:01,200 Speaker 4: I don't think we're all super ought the stick regarding 743 00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,640 Speaker 4: a big jump in wins for next year. 744 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:05,719 Speaker 3: However, how do you see the Marlins tackling it. 745 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,040 Speaker 4: Do you think they're going to be can be a 746 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,680 Speaker 4: little bit aggressive for the major league roster in twenty 747 00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:12,640 Speaker 4: twenty six, maybe the twenty twenty six deadline. 748 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,000 Speaker 3: What do you envision next season looks looking like. 749 00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:17,439 Speaker 2: I mean, I think you would have to think they'll 750 00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:19,480 Speaker 2: be better, But I don't know what that will look like. 751 00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:21,680 Speaker 2: I mean, how much better still will remain to be 752 00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:23,880 Speaker 2: seen as far as the money is construed in payroll, 753 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:25,840 Speaker 2: it's all going to be whether Sandy's a part of 754 00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:29,000 Speaker 2: this or not. If he is not, then I think 755 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,040 Speaker 2: that you'll see them go out and sign free agents. 756 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:34,640 Speaker 2: I don't multi year deals, but certainly they'll they'll have 757 00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,840 Speaker 2: to go out and spend some money to phil roster spots. 758 00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:43,240 Speaker 2: So with Yuri Perez there in Max Meyer and Weathers 759 00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,440 Speaker 2: and look, maybe this is it for Kaburra. Maybe finally 760 00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:48,160 Speaker 2: we're seeing it. I mean we've said it several times. 761 00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:51,640 Speaker 2: Maybe this is it with Norby and Stours and Otto, 762 00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:55,719 Speaker 2: Lopez and Ramirez and some others. Could you close your 763 00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,359 Speaker 2: eyes and say, ah, you know, if the Marlins, let's 764 00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:00,319 Speaker 2: say the Marlins overachieve a little bit this year and 765 00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:03,040 Speaker 2: win seventy I think that that's possible at this point. 766 00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:05,040 Speaker 2: That would make them twenty two games under five hundred 767 00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:08,600 Speaker 2: and above every expectation. I think probably they feel maybe 768 00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:10,640 Speaker 2: they could even win more than that. But I'll say, 769 00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:14,439 Speaker 2: I'll say they win seventy seventy two games something like that, 770 00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:16,400 Speaker 2: and then at that point, could you say, oh, you know, 771 00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,680 Speaker 2: maybe they win seventy seven the following year plus five. Yeah, 772 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,400 Speaker 2: I mean, I could definitely itergen that. But at the 773 00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:26,239 Speaker 2: same time, I don't know what the roadmap is at 774 00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:28,120 Speaker 2: the trade deadline this year too. And if you told 775 00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,520 Speaker 2: me all of a sudden they dug back deeper and 776 00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:33,799 Speaker 2: got some great prospects for Tours and Ex Edwards and 777 00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,800 Speaker 2: Ryan Weathers and they did deals like that, we would, 778 00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:39,120 Speaker 2: you know, take the timeline back a year again. So 779 00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,400 Speaker 2: I don't know, but I could see a lot of 780 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,920 Speaker 2: the same players that they have now on the positive 781 00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:49,360 Speaker 2: side back again, and with some development that you're seeing 782 00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:51,760 Speaker 2: from Mac and Ramirez and some of the other players 783 00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:54,040 Speaker 2: that they have in the minor league system, I could 784 00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:57,720 Speaker 2: see them being better. But clearly no guarantees. It's sports. 785 00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:00,960 Speaker 1: I'll throw one more out there, because I know you 786 00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:02,840 Speaker 1: mentioned Joe Mac and potentially when he could come up. 787 00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:04,400 Speaker 1: There are a couple of other top prospects that are 788 00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:08,560 Speaker 1: really performing, like Smelling maybe Major Just what are some 789 00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:12,120 Speaker 1: timelines on maybe certain guys maybe you're hearing like some 790 00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,719 Speaker 1: of those top projects. I mean, Smelling just was Southern 791 00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:16,880 Speaker 1: League Picture of the Week again for a second time 792 00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,120 Speaker 1: this year. I want to say, he's been really good 793 00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:21,840 Speaker 1: and then just like certain other guys and maybe you 794 00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:25,000 Speaker 1: think are close. I know you mentioned to us maybe 795 00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:27,040 Speaker 1: it was that in that last podcast with Griff and 796 00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,239 Speaker 1: he ended up debuting that year. He wasn't a top guy, 797 00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:30,680 Speaker 1: but he was certainly a guy who. 798 00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's part of this too for next year, I 799 00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:37,799 Speaker 2: think as well. Yeah, so my my understanding going back 800 00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:41,960 Speaker 2: to spring training and without like saying timelines and I'm 801 00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,919 Speaker 2: not saying he told me it was exactly this two 802 00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,560 Speaker 2: months really was the deal. We're coming to the end now. 803 00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:51,160 Speaker 2: So I do feel like there's a chance in June 804 00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:54,400 Speaker 2: that you could see some roster shake up where you know, 805 00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:57,760 Speaker 2: Yuri comes back, somebody goes down. We mentioned Troy Johnston. 806 00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:01,840 Speaker 2: I do think you're going to see some different stuff 807 00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:05,399 Speaker 2: in June than what we've seen in April and May. 808 00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:07,839 Speaker 2: And by the way, that's the right decision to have, 809 00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,359 Speaker 2: because if you're playing, you know, ten game under five 810 00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:13,360 Speaker 2: hundred baseball, you may as well develop and try and 811 00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:15,960 Speaker 2: see some other players. So I think, as opposed to 812 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,760 Speaker 2: years past, you may see some different players up sooner 813 00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:21,600 Speaker 2: and give them a little bit more runway this year. 814 00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:26,720 Speaker 2: But they had to give Matt Mrvis and an ex 815 00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:28,480 Speaker 2: and Orby and and all of the players that they 816 00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:31,279 Speaker 2: had to give and Hazu Sanchez an ample amount of 817 00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:34,799 Speaker 2: time before evaluating and making those decisions. And I don't think, 818 00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:36,799 Speaker 2: by the way, guys, this is any coincidence, because a 819 00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,440 Speaker 2: lot of Major League teams look at Memorial Day and say, okay, 820 00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:41,600 Speaker 2: where are we at, what do we like? What we 821 00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:44,360 Speaker 2: don't like. I feel like they've showed a lot of 822 00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:49,040 Speaker 2: patience thus far. But next week, week after you see 823 00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:51,719 Speaker 2: Masa come up, I'm telling you, I do think you're 824 00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:55,640 Speaker 2: gonna start to see some shake up a little bit. 825 00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:57,040 Speaker 2: And that's not shake up to say, hey, look, we 826 00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:58,799 Speaker 2: got to win, right now, let's call up guys to win. 827 00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,279 Speaker 2: It's just start taking a look at some of the 828 00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:04,000 Speaker 2: other players we have the season before we know it's 829 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,359 Speaker 2: going to be over in September. You can't call somebody 830 00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:08,400 Speaker 2: up in late August that you want to see for 831 00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:10,640 Speaker 2: the future and expect to have any expectation based on 832 00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:13,440 Speaker 2: September numbers, because that would be foolish. 833 00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:17,399 Speaker 1: All right, we're wrapping up here then, On that high note, Craig, 834 00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:21,200 Speaker 1: we really appreciate you for taking the time. And yeah, 835 00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:23,239 Speaker 1: from Craig, Isaac and myself, we'll see guys on in 836 00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:44,400 Speaker 1: two weeks. Peace out and go fish