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Speaker 2: In today's episode, we are exploring Aliens Haunting. Fourth episode,
Speaker 2: Haunting Haunting. It's going to make you ask some questions.
Speaker 2: You've got to be asking a lot of questions about
Speaker 2: the ethics of this technology on many different levels. So
Speaker 2: let's dive in a lot to talk about this time around.
Speaker 1: Okay, Alien Earth Episode four Observation. Wendy is waking up
Speaker 1: after collapsing at the end of episode three. Dame and
Speaker 1: Kersh are discussing her, but she can't hear them. They've
Speaker 1: turned off her hearing, so she's not affected by whatever.
Speaker 2: In immediately horrific situation. Yes, I kind of makes you
Speaker 2: realize what they can do to you if you're in
Speaker 2: one of these bodies.
Speaker 1: So Kersh has figured out basically that Wendy is hearing
Speaker 1: signals emitted by the xenomorphs she can hear, basically, she
Speaker 1: can hear them, and he tells this to boy Genius
Speaker 1: as boy Genius comes in the lab, but Boy Genius
Speaker 1: is like, yeah, I figured that out already, kersh the
Speaker 1: fuck of course, cursh jesus, I'm a boy genius. Get name, buddy,
Speaker 1: uh And he's like, speaking of stuff and expectations, why
Speaker 1: aren't you in the lab doing the job that I
Speaker 1: fucking assigned to you? Now get out of here, And
Speaker 1: then he rips on Dame saying, like, stop treating her
Speaker 1: like a baby. She's a billion dollar synthetic prototype. And
Speaker 1: everybody leaves until it's only Arthur, who who we found
Speaker 1: out of this episode is Dame's husband. Shocker, did not
Speaker 1: see that, did not see any chemistry between these two,
Speaker 1: until it's only Arthur, Curly and boy Genius. Then Joe
Speaker 1: comes in yep, and they you know, he's very obviously
Speaker 1: worried about Wendy, and they're like, well, she can't hear
Speaker 1: you right now, we turned off her hearing. And by
Speaker 1: the way, i'm your boss, why are you acting like
Speaker 1: you shouldn't be respecting me? And you're like worried about
Speaker 1: your sister? And you're not showing me the proper me boy, genius,
Speaker 1: your employer, your proper deference.
Speaker 2: I'm like Joe, I don't know if he's seen like
Speaker 2: a human boss for a long time. Bro, his boss
Speaker 2: is little just y faceless robots, so he might not care.
Speaker 1: And like, as if to underline the point, is like,
Speaker 1: by the way, how's the new lung I made you?
Speaker 1: How's that breathing? How's that thing taste? Your other lung?
Speaker 1: Your old lung? You're never gonna guess where it is.
Speaker 1: It's in a vat right now, being used to as
Speaker 1: a nest for a baby chest burster. And Joe realizes
Speaker 1: now that the alien specimens are in the building and
Speaker 1: he thinks this is crazy, as we all do. Arthur
Speaker 1: and the crew slowly like bring up Wendy's hearing and
Speaker 1: Joe tells her about oh, I underwent surgery, but he
Speaker 1: doesn't really go into the new lung and all that stuff.
Speaker 1: He very he downplays it severely, and he asks Wendy, like,
Speaker 1: what happened. She says that after the fight with the
Speaker 1: alien and she was brought back kind of like in
Speaker 1: a state of suspension, some sort of like robot coma.
Speaker 1: She's brought back to Research Island, but then she woke
Speaker 1: up and heard the call of the aliens. She went
Speaker 1: down to where she was hearing it and was lab
Speaker 1: workers was experimenting on the aliens. And she then refers
Speaker 1: to the chest Burster as the baby and says the baby.
Speaker 2: Was screaming the baby.
Speaker 1: So listen. One thing I love about this episode is
Speaker 1: the way it made empathized with these terrible, horrific creatures.
Speaker 2: Absolutely insane twist I did not see coming this episode,
Speaker 2: but it actually makes so much sense because when we
Speaker 2: actually look back at how whailing Utani, from what we've seen,
Speaker 2: have used the creatures and have constantly been hunting them down,
Speaker 2: and then someone like Michael kind of tried to create
Speaker 2: a different version of them to you know, terror, kind
Speaker 2: of terror formed the earth that he would take them
Speaker 2: to like it. They have been being exploited throughout by
Speaker 2: whaling Utani, which is just a crazy thing to say
Speaker 2: because they're also monsters.
Speaker 1: Void Genius is like so so happy. He is like
Speaker 1: absolutely rock hard at this new discovery that his billion
Speaker 1: dollar prototype is talking air quotes, talking to aliens, or
Speaker 1: at least hearing an alien talk to it, and yeah, sure,
Speaker 1: it causes her extreme pain and distress and locks up
Speaker 1: her body.
Speaker 2: Who fucking care to think of the diet foddy, isn't it?
Speaker 1: It's a fa and Joe. So, Joe and Arthur are
Speaker 1: like when she's like, oh, it caused me pain, They're like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll stop that happening. And He's like, what stop it?
Speaker 1: Are you kidding?
Speaker 2: Why?
Speaker 1: Why would we stop it? Yea, her whole body belongs
Speaker 1: to Prodigy, Like what are you talking about? Wendy settles it.
Speaker 1: Wendy's like, wait a second, I want to I want
Speaker 1: to continue to hear them, like I want to know
Speaker 1: why they're speaking to me, Like what do they want
Speaker 1: to say? And so they test her hearing and when
Speaker 1: you find out that the alien signal is spread out
Speaker 1: across like multiple frequencies all the way up to like
Speaker 1: the highest ranges of Wendy's k ability, way way beyond
Speaker 1: human hearing, like and and even I can't hear it
Speaker 1: like other synthetics apparently can't hear it. Yeah, which raises
Speaker 1: this question of did the aliens figure out a way
Speaker 1: to tailor the frequency and the signal and aiming at Wendy?
Speaker 2: Huh? Okay, I like that. I like that read a lot.
Speaker 2: Let me. There was a really great discord theory about
Speaker 2: this that was kind of blowing my mind. So it
Speaker 2: was Josmick One who said, maybe if boy Cavalier worked
Speaker 2: for whalen Utani when he was on his meteoric rise
Speaker 2: to the top, perhaps he could you know, have gotten
Speaker 2: like he has some of the goo, you know, and
Speaker 2: if he touches the goo that we've seen, the black
Speaker 2: goo that you kind of get from alien promethe, maybe
Speaker 2: that was used in creating this version of the hybrid,
Speaker 2: and that might be why they can hear Is there
Speaker 2: some kind of alien wailan U Tanny connection here, because
Speaker 2: it does seem weird the eight that Wendy can hear
Speaker 2: it and nobody else can, even the other hybrids.
Speaker 1: I guess we would need to know if there's because
Speaker 1: it seems to me, like Wendy is, there's no organic
Speaker 1: material in in Wendy like.
Speaker 2: I don't not. From what we know so far, these
Speaker 2: are alleged completely synthetialies.
Speaker 1: Boy Genius asked Wendy to can you just like whistle
Speaker 1: the sound like but obviously in a register we can
Speaker 1: all hear it? She does it, Curly's jealousy is ignited
Speaker 1: fanned by Boy Genius is like, aha, can you do that?
Speaker 1: I wish as something such. I absolutely love pitting the kids,
Speaker 1: like obviously it's terrible, but like.
Speaker 2: Me too, and I also feel like I feel no,
Speaker 2: it's it's great to watch. And I also hope that
Speaker 2: Kylie will become part of Boy Genius's downfall. That was
Speaker 2: like my biggest wish because he sucks. He's so so
Speaker 2: good at sucking this actorate act that he's doing.
Speaker 1: So yeah, this is Boy Genius's boy Cavaliers like villain
Speaker 1: toured to force, Like this is some of the best.
Speaker 1: I haven't felt this way about a villain in a
Speaker 1: little bit like this was a he's a great villain.
Speaker 2: I know it does. It was it was hinting at
Speaker 2: Jeoffrey level.
Speaker 1: It's there.
Speaker 2: I was like, it's not that yet, but it's if
Speaker 2: you had the seasons, if we get more than I
Speaker 2: feel like it could build up. He really he's a
Speaker 2: he's a bad guy.
Speaker 1: A bigger, much bigger fan of the xenomorph than than boys,
Speaker 1: which is, you know, thematically very alien. Okay, so you
Speaker 1: know A Joe is like, hey, can we give Wendy
Speaker 1: a break. She's very tired. He's like, she doesn't get tired,
Speaker 1: she's android, but like, but then he eventually agrees, Okay,
Speaker 1: let's give her a break. But you can tell like,
Speaker 1: He's like, let me, let me put a pin in
Speaker 1: that little conversation between me and Joe, who I don't like.
Speaker 1: Boy Genius then asks Lobot for his opinion about what's
Speaker 1: going on. Lobot is like, well, we must ask why
Speaker 1: the hostile aliens are trying to speak to Wendy. Yes,
Speaker 1: of course, Wow, Lobot, is that why they pay you
Speaker 1: the big bucks? What incredible? And then Boy Genius tells Lobot, Lobot,
Speaker 1: go tell Joe to remember who signs his fucking paycheck, okay,
Speaker 1: and who owns the peace on his partent, I.
Speaker 2: Don't know if Joe's can't pay that much pay I think.
Speaker 2: I don't know if he's gonna give up Mossy for that.
Speaker 1: Let's take a quick break to pay our bills and
Speaker 1: we'll be right back. And we're at Wendy shows Joe
Speaker 1: around her room and they're catching up a little bit.
Speaker 1: Wendy wants then wants to know, Hey, Joe, are you
Speaker 1: mad at me for, you know, for wanting to hear
Speaker 1: the aliens and for you being tricked into thinking I
Speaker 1: was dead? And He's like, no, I'm not mad at you.
Speaker 1: I'm mad at all the people that lied to me.
Speaker 1: I'm mad at Prodigy for lying to me. I'm mad
Speaker 1: at Prodigy for not I'm mad at the fact that
Speaker 1: they made it so hard for me to see you
Speaker 1: and Dad when you were in the hospital. And Wendy
Speaker 1: really can't seem to get her head around that Joe
Speaker 1: wasn't able to come see her, but there was apparently
Speaker 1: a war on which was the first we've heard of this. Yeah, interesting,
Speaker 1: and he's among other issues. It just made it difficult.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I really like that Wendy is stressed out about this
Speaker 2: because like in her mind, she wanted to get to Joe,
Speaker 2: so she just got to him, you know, like with
Speaker 2: us kind of and that understand like as a child,
Speaker 2: she doesn't really understand like how he couldn't kersh uh.
Speaker 1: Watches the tapes of Morrow. It's just getting more information
Speaker 1: on the former security chief of the Magineo. Meanwhile, boy
Speaker 1: Genius and we have to talk about this. Boy Genius
Speaker 1: is reading Peter Pan on his podcast. Does he have
Speaker 1: a podcast? He's sitting in front of a mic, a
Speaker 1: nice mic, apparently a.
Speaker 2: Pod a podcast, And also like why this one read
Speaker 2: another book? My guy?
Speaker 1: Well, you know what it was. I put this in
Speaker 1: the group chat, but it is this is the episode
Speaker 1: where I realized, Oh, what they're doing is Peter Thiel's
Speaker 1: like obsession with Lord of the Rings and naming all
Speaker 1: his differ free companies Palenteer a little bit uh, and
Speaker 1: I forget what the other ones. It's like Pialenteer is
Speaker 1: the currently most currently most well known one, but like
Speaker 1: I think it's oh yeah, also Anderil and Mythrill. And
Speaker 1: it's like, I think this is clearly that this is
Speaker 1: like a version of oh, this very powerful man has
Speaker 1: taken the exact wrong message from this very.
Speaker 2: Popular fac series exactly.
Speaker 1: I would just love to know more about Boy Genius podcast.
Speaker 1: Very funny to me.
Speaker 2: Are they going to release an episode as a special edition?
Speaker 2: I would I want to know camera.
Speaker 1: I want to like when it goes to the two shot,
Speaker 1: I want you to see like Lobot sitting in the
Speaker 1: other chair with a with his with his like baseball
Speaker 1: cap on like backwards, very basic questions of like boy genius. Okay,
Speaker 1: So boy Genus is doing his pod which again we
Speaker 1: can't talk we can't talk enough about. Slightly is out
Speaker 1: in the jungle with Moro talking in his head, and
Speaker 1: Morow is basically like, here, okay, listen, you need to
Speaker 1: go grab an alien egg and bring it to me.
Speaker 1: Go get it. It's not stealing if you're worried about that,
Speaker 1: because it is itself is stolen from me. I am
Speaker 1: the rightful owner. You will only be returning stolen property
Speaker 1: to its rightful owner, their owner. Therefore, this is the
Speaker 1: right thing to do. And then to build this as
Speaker 1: the grooming continues to build this relationship on a stronger foundation,
Speaker 1: Marrow tells Slightly his real name, Kume Moro, and then
Speaker 1: asks him his name, and his name is Rush and
Speaker 1: he's from India. A Rush finds Kersh in his room
Speaker 1: in a Rusha's room. Kersh is looking at this the
Speaker 1: you know, the see no evil, hear, no evil speak,
Speaker 1: no evil monkeys carved. He's like a carving of that
Speaker 1: on his wall, and he's like, do you know what
Speaker 1: this means? And they discuss the historical and ethical questions
Speaker 1: at the heart of this saying, and basically what Kirsch
Speaker 1: wants to know is, would slightly, Let's say I'm going
Speaker 1: to do something bad. He says so slightly, I'm about
Speaker 1: to do something that's going to hurt somebody, would you
Speaker 1: stop me? And Tomorrow meanwhile, was whispering and slightly sad
Speaker 1: like begiful, and then slightly says I would stand up
Speaker 1: for my friends, which Kirsh says is the right answer,
Speaker 1: although I'm still not sure how that connects to I
Speaker 1: guess he's basically Kirsch's basically saying, be loyal. You didn't
Speaker 1: see anything, you didn't hear anything, you don't say anything,
Speaker 1: be loyal to the.
Speaker 2: People that made I think Cash's like I think Cash
Speaker 2: she's getting like curious. I think that at the beginning
Speaker 2: of this season he was very much like do your job,
Speaker 2: like get things done. But I think that the arrival
Speaker 2: of the different types of alien species and the way
Speaker 2: that the kids are reacting to them, I think he
Speaker 2: is finding his own curiosity again rather than this kind
Speaker 2: of just acceptance of the boy genius. Once I felt
Speaker 2: like this was really interesting.
Speaker 1: As a burseoning potential alliance between the Synthetics and the
Speaker 1: aliens against meat against humans. I saw this as basically saying,
Speaker 1: when the rubber hits the road, who are you going
Speaker 1: to listen to the others who are like you the synthetics.
Speaker 2: And me or.
Speaker 1: Meat sticks like boy Genius Cavalier and Arthur and the
Speaker 1: rest of them going to be loyal to if you
Speaker 1: see me, let's see you say you see me put
Speaker 1: my hands around Boy Cavalier's neck.
Speaker 2: Right right, You're going to be a gon't be saying.
Speaker 1: In the lab, curse continues with these experiments. They expose
Speaker 1: the sheep horrendously to the eye, and the eye attacks
Speaker 1: it and pulls out the sheep's eye and then hacks
Speaker 1: into its nervous system and is now using the sheep's body,
Speaker 1: which I think remains somewhat alive right or maybe dying quickly, but.
Speaker 2: Like like it's definitely the kind it's almost kind of
Speaker 2: like the the Corterceps style, like it's taking you over.
Speaker 2: It takes over your brain, but your body can still function. Also,
Speaker 2: I have to say, this is going to sound really silly,
Speaker 2: but I never the iyapus. I didn't expect the eye
Speaker 2: to be such an important part. I thought that was
Speaker 2: just how I lived. I didn't realize. So I thought
Speaker 2: this was a really inventive and clever way of adding
Speaker 2: a new type of creepy alien to the species.
Speaker 1: Yes, and one wonders, like how related it is to
Speaker 1: the original black goo species various black goo created. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Boy Genius again is like, you know, it's another rock
Speaker 1: hard moment for Boy Genius. He's like he can't believe
Speaker 1: what he's seeing.
Speaker 2: You can't believe this. He's like, this is incredible.
Speaker 1: Kursh can tell from the brain wave readout that this
Speaker 1: is a very very intelligent creature, very very smart, and
Speaker 1: he studies it through the glass, moving around, like looking
Speaker 1: at it from different angles. Lobot is like, you know,
Speaker 1: if those things get out, and Boy Genius is like, great,
Speaker 1: who cares, Like, we let's take the risk, no reward
Speaker 1: without risk if it escapes to escape, like, we'll be careful.
Speaker 1: But this guy is insane sight and and this is
Speaker 1: really where you kind of feel that first, like, oh,
Speaker 1: could Kursh could curseh And some of the synthetics say,
Speaker 1: what's happened to the aliens is what happened to us
Speaker 1: and this is bad and the aliens don't want to
Speaker 1: kill us. They and they never try to hug our
Speaker 1: faces or attack us. Well, NIBBs would disagree, but and
Speaker 1: you know, maybe the time has come to free ourselves
Speaker 1: of these human meat puppets. Boy Genius locks eyes with
Speaker 1: the creature and like whispers stuff to a very very
Speaker 1: creepy he wants.
Speaker 2: The funny thing is, I think, like I wonder if
Speaker 2: boy Genius even has a tiny in the back of
Speaker 2: his mind, like an itch on the back of his brain,
Speaker 2: because I feel like, in this moment, like he's trying
Speaker 2: to act like he has a connection with the creatures,
Speaker 2: but it's like really clear that he doesn't. Yeah, whereas
Speaker 2: we can see the sense and the hybrids, there's some
Speaker 2: kind of connection that I.
Speaker 1: Don't know that he is aware enough to see the
Speaker 1: possible tensions brewing around him with the synths and these aliens.
Speaker 1: But I do think, on a very cynical level, I
Speaker 1: think that he heard I think he heard Curse say
Speaker 1: this is a very very smart creature, and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, Boy Genius like wants to connect with it exactly.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's such a good point. Yeah, he's
Speaker 2: still looking for that conversation.
Speaker 1: Arthur takes Dame to a quiet spot outside the labs,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, he has some very very
Speaker 1: serious concerns about everything they're doing, most pressingly the alien
Speaker 1: species now on this island, Like what can they do?
Speaker 1: What are the dangers? We don't know? He's also concerned
Speaker 1: that whatever the Lost Boys are supposed to be doing,
Speaker 1: And this is interesting, how did you read this? Because
Speaker 1: he's basically like, apparently the Lost Boys are built for
Speaker 1: a purpose that we don't understand, right, we don't actually
Speaker 1: know what the product line is designed to do. He
Speaker 1: but Arthur seems very concerned that they're not ready to
Speaker 1: do whatever it is that they are going to be
Speaker 1: marketed as doing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wonder if it was like I just wonder
Speaker 2: if he is upset because this is like not what
Speaker 2: they're supposed to be doing. And I felt like when
Speaker 2: they were talking about Prodigy, the name of it and everything,
Speaker 2: the idea was going to be the brain body situation.
Speaker 2: Then you can essentially have them just living in your
Speaker 2: house as your child or as your relative who died.
Speaker 2: But Boy Genius basically turned them into weapons the first
Speaker 2: moment he had the chance, when they still had you know,
Speaker 2: ten year old brain going inside their heads. So I
Speaker 2: don't know, but yes, Arthur Dame definitely arguing married couple
Speaker 2: at the center of this hilarious.
Speaker 1: Now this brings up some interesting I think. Yes, so
Speaker 1: they were talking about this, if this technology existed, and
Speaker 1: you could upload people into a fully functioning synthetic body
Speaker 1: and the and when you speak to it, it has
Speaker 1: all the memories and the personality basically of the person.
Speaker 1: If that was possible, I think it would be. I
Speaker 1: don't think that you could legally call that a person.
Speaker 1: You certainly couldn't call it the same person. Like let's
Speaker 1: say it was a wendy situation where they died and
Speaker 1: then you brought them back as this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's you would basically just say they're
Speaker 2: an upload of a quncient.
Speaker 1: You'd have to classify them as something completely different, like
Speaker 1: I think legally, Like imagine a situation in which they
Speaker 1: upload you, but then the doctor runs into the room
Speaker 1: where you're on the table and says, actually we were wrong,
Speaker 1: Like you don't have stage four cancer. You're gonna live.
Speaker 1: So now that both of you are alive, okay, you
Speaker 1: could classify that other synthetic as like a different you know,
Speaker 1: Jason two. But Jason two is still going to want
Speaker 1: all Jason one's things. It's going to live in my house.
Speaker 1: It's gonna want my dog, it's gonna want like all
Speaker 1: the relationships that I have.
Speaker 2: And is that why they've only been making these with
Speaker 2: femininely ill kids.
Speaker 1: I think yes, because obviously if you do it to
Speaker 1: a living person, it's the problems are severe and very
Speaker 1: and very disruptive, and so legally, I don't think you
Speaker 1: could call these I don't think you could call a
Speaker 1: synthetic person a person. Like if it, I think you'd
Speaker 1: have to call it a synthetic person. They'll invent another class.
Speaker 1: But the other thing I was thinking is like, like,
Speaker 1: what do you even let's say that technology did exist.
Speaker 1: I don't even know what all the uses forget the
Speaker 1: fact that like ethically and Morley to make these things,
Speaker 1: it's terrible.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: All the uses that I come up with that you
Speaker 1: that you could use like now today, like right away,
Speaker 1: are terrible. It's it's basically like, okay, you train it.
Speaker 1: You take a highly trained Navy seal, right that you've
Speaker 1: spent fifteen million dollars training them, You upload their consciousness
Speaker 1: into these bodies, and then you send those out to kill.
Speaker 1: And now the guy the Navy seal doesn't get PTSD
Speaker 1: and doesn't get injured, and you just send these things
Speaker 1: out to die. Die die, die die. That's one version.
Speaker 1: Version two is like some sort of basically a haircut
Speaker 1: of that's like some sort of like slave labor. You
Speaker 1: take like highly skilled like mechanists and engineers and you
Speaker 1: send them to do like crazy dangerous jobs like on Mars. Yeah,
Speaker 1: which is like basically a blade runner or and this
Speaker 1: is I'm sorry that this is what I thought of.
Speaker 1: Let's say you get like a high value prisoner, you
Speaker 1: upload their consciousness into a body so horrific, and that
Speaker 1: body is not a person, does not have legal human rights.
Speaker 1: You can torture that version of the person all day
Speaker 1: and night until it dies. It should get like the
Speaker 1: information you need. I think like those are like the
Speaker 1: applications that I immediately come up with, and they're that.
Speaker 2: It's horrific but true. And I also think that you
Speaker 2: make a really interesting point because also we've seen how
Speaker 2: they can turn off Wendy's hearing and they can turn
Speaker 2: it back on again, so I'm sure they can probably
Speaker 2: also play with pain receptors and nervous systems spies probably.
Speaker 1: I think they would be incredible spies. You know, you
Speaker 1: send them behind any you don't care if they get captured.
Speaker 2: You also can't tell physically again, kind of like it
Speaker 2: was with Ash in the first Alien movie and onwards.
Speaker 2: You can't tell that they are synthetic or that they
Speaker 2: are not hybrids, you know, so that they are hybrids.
Speaker 2: So I would say definitely, spy, assassin, any kind of weapon.
Speaker 2: I'm also interested in the name of the company being Prodigy,
Speaker 2: them only being able to do this to kids, and
Speaker 2: obviously boy genius. There is some kind of thing about
Speaker 2: the idea of like youth and how you can save youth,
Speaker 2: and is there even a way I wonder, Okay, listen
Speaker 2: to this for a crazy one. What if what they're
Speaker 2: really trying to do is they do this version of it,
Speaker 2: But what if there's a different version where they can
Speaker 2: take an old person's consciousness, transplant it into a kid's
Speaker 2: body and a kid's brain, and then put the kid's
Speaker 2: brain into the machine. Because how you really need to
Speaker 2: help old people extend their lives. So I'm interested to
Speaker 2: know if there's a version of it where you are
Speaker 2: kind of essentially.
Speaker 1: Like a swap.
Speaker 2: Us like a swap so that the kid becomes You.
Speaker 1: Even need to take take kid's mind out, though you
Speaker 1: could just like just write over it, you wouldn't I guess.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that's what I mean, just right over that
Speaker 2: and then you put it into the body, you know.
Speaker 2: So I'm like, I'm intrigued because I feel like, to
Speaker 2: really make this profitable, it's either weapons or life, kind
Speaker 2: of making your life longer. And even though obviously lots
Speaker 2: of people do have sick kids, the real people who
Speaker 2: want to make their lives longer are these kind of
Speaker 2: obsessive men who feel like they have this huge thing
Speaker 2: that they have to keep working on and they must
Speaker 2: always be able to stay as youthful as possible. So
Speaker 2: I feel like the real money is in getting adults
Speaker 2: brains into those bodies, which we know they say their
Speaker 2: brains are too rigid. So I'm also interested in how
Speaker 2: they are planning to make that work because I feel
Speaker 2: like that has to be part of the money.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like obviously you would send them to
Speaker 1: do very dangerous things, but I guess I then would
Speaker 1: need to understand like the cost proposition of how much
Speaker 1: these cost like if you just.
Speaker 2: Throw a billion human into space, yeah you can, it
Speaker 2: doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: Right, you can send one of these to like go
Speaker 1: study the sun, right you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly, But but like how much money are you
Speaker 2: making from that? And how much money did it cost?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it'll be interesting to see what these you
Speaker 1: used to for. My sense is probably like war.
Speaker 2: Yeah, war, I think is your number one. Right.
Speaker 1: They're probably gonna use these as his foot soldiers or something,
Speaker 1: although what is the cost per unit? Like if each
Speaker 1: body costs a billion dollars, then it's like why I
Speaker 1: even do it? Just use poor people like they've been
Speaker 1: doing for years. Anyway, Arthur basically says to Dame, listen,
Speaker 1: I want us thinking about contingency play. These aliens are here.
Speaker 1: The stuff with the Lost Boys is going in different directions,
Speaker 1: like if this all goes sideways, we need to think
Speaker 1: about getting out, okay yeah, And Dame is like, hey, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it'll be fine.
Speaker 2: Nibs, she's not a serious passon, and like she has
Speaker 2: not realized the seriousness of her situation until late.
Speaker 1: Well, she's about to realize it now. NIBBs walks up,
Speaker 1: and NIBBs is acting weird.
Speaker 2: Which honestly normal day for Nibs. But she's obvious she's
Speaker 2: always been struggling. Yeah, she's with this more than the others.
Speaker 1: Listen, she's the she has the mind of a young person,
Speaker 1: and she's been severely traumatized by both the process that
Speaker 1: she's undergone that put her in this new body and
Speaker 1: everything she's seen in the last few days. So she
Speaker 1: comes up and she's like, I'm pregnant for real, Like
Speaker 1: for real, for real, I am a baby. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: have a baby. And Dame smartly plays along because when
Speaker 1: Arthur's like, that's impossible, you don't have you're not a person.
Speaker 2: Nibs I would.
Speaker 1: Say, she doesn't get violent, but you could. She reacts
Speaker 1: very negatively, and so Dame smartly plays along and she's like,
Speaker 1: come to my office, let's talk privately. They go to
Speaker 1: the office and NIBBs is like, very, very dedicated to
Speaker 1: this idea that she's going to have a baby. And
Speaker 1: by the way, she understands how babies are made, the
Speaker 1: physical and biological process, and she's not at all convinced
Speaker 1: that you need to go through all that to have
Speaker 1: a baby. She's because she is having a baby. And
Speaker 1: while all that stuff didn't happen. She's having a baby,
Speaker 1: So what are you gonna do about it? Dame? The
Speaker 1: penny drops for Dame that this whole project that they've
Speaker 1: been working on is like rushing along without any kind
Speaker 1: of heed to the potential consequences or disruptions that are
Speaker 1: now happening. NIBBs then gets, you know, Dame, I think,
Speaker 1: tries to be like, let's reason with you, Hey, would
Speaker 1: you like to see the blueprints of your body?
Speaker 2: No, that's not what she needed.
Speaker 1: Becomes violent now and NIBBs is super strong, as are
Speaker 1: all these kids, and you know, puts her. She just
Speaker 1: does not want to and she continues, she doubles down.
Speaker 1: She's like, it's a girl, I think the baby, and
Speaker 1: I'm going to name it Clarissa. And we get these
Speaker 1: flashes of memories and we realize that NIBBs is haunted
Speaker 1: by the confrontation with the eye creature in the lab
Speaker 1: and that was horrifying, horrifying, and she doesn't it's so
Speaker 1: horrifying in fact, that she does not want to talk
Speaker 1: about it. She doesn't want to talk about She will
Speaker 1: rather talk about anything else. She violently does not want
Speaker 1: to talk about it. Like, she grabs Dame around the
Speaker 1: neck and Dame plays it off, goes up, presses a
Speaker 1: panic button. Guards show up, and then she's like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, Nibs, I forgot I have a meeting with Boycovalier.
Speaker 1: I have to go now bye. Yeah, the guards will
Speaker 1: show you to your room, and NIBBs leaves with one
Speaker 1: of Dame's stuffed animals, and Dame then pulls one of
Speaker 1: the guards aside and says, we have a level three
Speaker 1: security event. You know what that means, which I think
Speaker 1: probably means we're wiping Nibs.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's what it feels like to me, is like
Speaker 2: we're getting rid of her. Like whatever that means.
Speaker 1: She's gone, yes, we're gonna hold down the start button
Speaker 1: for five seconds and then enter reboot mode, control all delete. Yes.
Speaker 1: Joe goes to see Lobot for that meaning, and Lobot
Speaker 1: is like, listen, that's what you got to understand. Wendy's
Speaker 1: not your sister. That's a synthetic body with the brain
Speaker 1: waves that are modeled on your sisters. Also, you work
Speaker 1: for me. Also, everything you've seen and heard, even the
Speaker 1: air you are breathing right now, is the intellectual property
Speaker 1: of Prodigy Corporation, and Joe's like, well, I don't work
Speaker 1: here anymore. Quit and well it says, okay, you can
Speaker 1: do that, but that means you can never talk to
Speaker 1: any of your friends that you made in.
Speaker 2: Your your peers who you spent months and.
Speaker 1: Wendy you will never speak to her again because she
Speaker 1: is lockstock and barrel, the property of Prodigy Corporation. And
Speaker 1: also like, what's up with that lung that we make
Speaker 1: that we grew you?
Speaker 2: Yeah, whonder where that came from?
Speaker 1: So you can leave, but your credit score is going
Speaker 1: to get nuked from orbit and will never be the
Speaker 1: fucking same.
Speaker 2: So it's gonna be worse with that ever of mine
Speaker 2: or something.
Speaker 1: I mean, if the class stuff really comes through in this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I also want to say, like, I think that
Speaker 2: a lot of the stuff they've been exploring in this
Speaker 2: show is quite broad and you can kind of read
Speaker 2: into it however you want to read into it. But
Speaker 2: this moment and the context of like the lung and
Speaker 2: the new lung, and how having your body directly connected
Speaker 2: to the corporation that you work for is really dangerous,
Speaker 2: and how if you can't pay off medical debt then
Speaker 2: you can end up with bad credit that would ruin
Speaker 2: your life. Noah Hawley's being very direct here. This is
Speaker 2: this is less a analogy than it is a direct comment.
Speaker 2: And I think that's really exciting vibe And Yes, Common,
Speaker 2: One of my favorite films I show with super producer
Speaker 2: Common is Repo the Genetic Opera. It is definitely giving
Speaker 2: that the idea that you could kind of reclaim a
Speaker 2: lung or an organ that you didn't pay for. Yeah,
Speaker 2: very very bleak stuff. And I kind of love that
Speaker 2: Lowboy is the one who's giving these out as well,
Speaker 2: Like boy Genius really just does not handle his own
Speaker 2: business in any way, shape or form. This man is
Speaker 2: like thinking about Peter Patten. Everyone else is doing the
Speaker 2: damage control.
Speaker 1: So Joe then wants to kind of change the subject.
Speaker 1: He's like, Okay, well is that my sister? What did
Speaker 1: you do? Or like what was the process? Like? Tell
Speaker 1: me about it? And love that is, Like, well, first
Speaker 1: of all, are you in or out? Like are you
Speaker 1: do you work for us or not? Like are you
Speaker 1: quitting and ruining your life or not? And by the way,
Speaker 1: your sister, Wendy quote unquote or quote sister, she is
Speaker 1: one hundred the property of the Project Corporation.
Speaker 2: It does look whether she is real or isn't real?
Speaker 2: Is your sister or isn't your sister? She is? And
Speaker 2: I do think something I think that's really interesting about
Speaker 2: the show is actually, this is the kind of this
Speaker 2: is the version of this technology that we've seen in
Speaker 2: sci fi that I think is the most definitively you
Speaker 2: can say that is your sister kind of situation because
Speaker 2: even though it is brain waves just based on your sister,
Speaker 2: that was a conscious choice your sister made to go
Speaker 2: into that body, and now the body has her memories
Speaker 2: that remember that choice. So I think we're in a
Speaker 2: really interesting situation when it comes to sentience and agency
Speaker 2: over the human body and who you are. But obviously,
Speaker 2: like can a ten year old child even actually consent
Speaker 2: to a choice like this or a decision like this,
Speaker 2: That's where the things start getting really.
Speaker 1: Mabsolutely they can't. Yes, no, no, the baby yeah. So
Speaker 1: there is, however, a carrot too. After the stick and
Speaker 1: Joe leaves the office, he sees his old colleagues Rachety
Speaker 1: and Siberian. They're fine, and apparently the whole search and
Speaker 1: rescue squad, all his buddies, are now based on Research Island.
Speaker 2: Okay, Jason, I got my class hostages. Yes, I got
Speaker 2: a question for you. Who is I was thinking about
Speaker 2: this a lot of stuff. Who made that choice? Like
Speaker 2: who is the real boss?
Speaker 1: Who is the.
Speaker 2: One who's making these decisions? While boy Genius isn't, Like
Speaker 2: who was smart enough to know? Well, Joe's him. Maybe
Speaker 2: we can use these people to navigate.
Speaker 1: I guess Lobot is like the fix Law.
Speaker 2: The kind of real the real brains at the moment behind,
Speaker 2: kind of keeping things under wraps right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think we're sjured. Does a very dangerous
Speaker 1: job because he is colleagues work in a very dangerous
Speaker 1: line of work, search and rescue, and anything can happen
Speaker 1: to them, to that whole squad exactly. Wendy has a
Speaker 1: meeting with boy Genius, and Boy Genius is like fucking
Speaker 1: so obsessed with Peter Pan and like again it's it's
Speaker 1: the very bunch Peter Teal and Lord of the Rings.
Speaker 1: Wendy is. You can tell from this conversation empathizing somewhat
Speaker 1: with the aliens something there is an emotional appeal in
Speaker 1: that communication that they are sending that she is responding to,
Speaker 1: and she says they don't like being experimented on, and
Speaker 1: he's like, how did they tell you that? And he's like, well, well,
Speaker 1: and she basically says, well would you want to be?
Speaker 1: Like would you?
Speaker 2: Which I have to say feels like foreshadowing to see
Speaker 2: some good torture and experimentation on boy Genius sun Cereal the.
Speaker 1: Sense and the aliens will rise up. Boy Genius then
Speaker 1: asks like, why did you Tanny want them? And and
Speaker 1: you know why? And she doesn't know, and he basically
Speaker 1: now he raises the question of Joe, what do we
Speaker 1: do about Joe? I don't like Joe. Joe is like
Speaker 1: distracting you from your work, and shouldn't we send Joe
Speaker 1: out of here because we don't need him? And when
Speaker 1: he's like no, please, please, please, don't to send my
Speaker 1: brother away, and then Boise's just like yeah, but like,
Speaker 1: is does he really care about you if you didn't
Speaker 1: come see you when you were sick and dying?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: Clearly was like watching and listening to this conversation her
Speaker 1: eyes and knows all about knows that pressure point very well.
Speaker 1: And he says, well, listen, here's the deal. You talk
Speaker 1: to the aliens. Help me understand them and then we'll
Speaker 1: keep Joe around. So that's a lot that's we're doing that.
Speaker 1: We go onto the LA lab where the observation testing
Speaker 1: of the eye is continuing. Toodles says, hey, I want
Speaker 1: to change my name to Isaac after you know, Sir
Speaker 1: Isaac Newton, and they're like, okay. Isaac runs into Slightly
Speaker 1: and tells Slightly that hey, I'm going by Isaac now,
Speaker 1: and it's like, you know, Toodles is like a kid's name.
Speaker 1: I don't like it, and Slightly it's like, wait, well
Speaker 1: you can change our names. Hold on as sad, and
Speaker 1: he's also asking he's Slightly is also acting very very
Speaker 1: sketchy cleuely come down here to.
Speaker 2: Steal the literal voice in his head.
Speaker 1: Right, and he's lies about being asked to come get
Speaker 1: something and then leaves.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'll ask you about this. This is another one
Speaker 2: of my favorite theories that I've been seeing in the
Speaker 2: discord online, essentially that Morrow is Captain Hook because he
Speaker 2: has the cyborg arm and that's kind of his role
Speaker 2: in the peter Pan of it all, and I thought
Speaker 2: that was very interesting, especially now with this kind of
Speaker 2: connection between him and you know, Slightly.
Speaker 1: I hate the Peter Pan metaphor so much, I know,
Speaker 1: and the only thing that, the only thing, the saving
Speaker 1: grace of it is in this episode, I finally realized
Speaker 1: that the metaphor is less about Holly putting this metaphor
Speaker 1: on it, although that's also an aspect of it, and
Speaker 1: it's more that, yeah, boy Cavalier is obsessed with this story.
Speaker 1: And so when moral Captain Hook, I answer, I don't
Speaker 1: fucking care, and I don't. I don't.
Speaker 2: I'm very interested. I like the idea that I like
Speaker 2: the archetypes. I think they're fine. I think it's good,
Speaker 2: and I'm but I'm also interested to see how boy
Speaker 2: Genius is gonna respond to the kids taking these little
Speaker 2: bits of agency, like renaming themselves, because that pushes it
Speaker 2: out of his understanding of the book and what he
Speaker 2: gains from the book, which is I'm just Peter Pan
Speaker 2: and I'm going to be young forever, and he doesn't
Speaker 2: really understand the point of the book, which is like,
Speaker 2: you will never end up empathizing or loving people if
Speaker 2: you don't allow yourself to grow. Well, I think so,
Speaker 2: I think you're right. It's very it's very much more
Speaker 2: about the book's connection to boy Genius than it is
Speaker 2: to Horley.
Speaker 1: Right, And I think that listen, I think that boy
Speaker 1: Genius is looking at all the ways that these his
Speaker 1: creation are developing, and I think that he is going
Speaker 1: to obviously version two is going to have some different features.
Speaker 1: They're going to be more controllable, more compliant, less unpredictable, probably,
Speaker 1: like that's probably what he would be thinking looking at this.
Speaker 1: So slightly goes out of the world to the woods
Speaker 1: to talk tomorrow again. It's like, I can't get the egg,
Speaker 1: and Marrow's like, well, what if I kill your whole family?
Speaker 1: I'm with your mom right now. I always kill him.
Speaker 1: And so you got to get that egg. But like,
Speaker 1: I've figured out an easier way to do it. You
Speaker 1: don't have to go get the egg. Just bring a
Speaker 1: person down there and be like, oh, look at that thing.
Speaker 1: Isn't that thing interesting?
Speaker 2: And get him in in that special position.
Speaker 1: You get him into the face hugger position, and the
Speaker 1: face hugger will take care of everything else. Then you
Speaker 1: just have to babysit that unconscious person for like twenty
Speaker 1: four hours and every now nature will take its course.
Speaker 1: Now here is I don't know if it's a loophole,
Speaker 1: But it's interesting why can't boy Cat, Why doesn't Boy
Speaker 1: Cavalier why is looking through Slightly's eyes or why doesn't
Speaker 1: he get the daily recordings from Slightly's head and realize
Speaker 1: that this is going on?
Speaker 2: Okay, is there something because it is synth to synth?
Speaker 2: Is there a way like.
Speaker 1: He's talking out loud?
Speaker 2: That's the crazy thing that we think carries like.
Speaker 1: I'm willing to I am willing to believe that Morrow
Speaker 1: has encrypted the signal in some sort of way that
Speaker 1: like Boy Genius Cavalier can't pick up. But the fact
Speaker 1: that he doesn't wonder who Slightly is talking out loud
Speaker 1: to is weird to me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's I guess. Also, well, I also
Speaker 2: think like the other option is kind of like that
Speaker 2: Boy Genius doesn't really do a lot of the looking
Speaker 2: through people's eyes doing all that kind of stuff, that
Speaker 2: stuff that like Kirsh does or Dame does. And I
Speaker 2: think that if it just so happens that Kirsh is
Speaker 2: the one, as we kind of see who's listening to
Speaker 2: the whole thing, he I think his curiosity is peaked
Speaker 2: to like, well, let's just see where this goes. Maybe
Speaker 2: something different is gonna happen. Yeah, I think we will
Speaker 2: learn more. I think than boy genius kind of feeling
Speaker 2: like that out of his hands. I don't think he
Speaker 2: does a lot of the handling.
Speaker 1: So that's a good question because they intercut this with
Speaker 1: Kersh watching a monitor, and it's kind of unclear if
Speaker 1: he is keeping tabs on this conversation or not. I
Speaker 1: tend to believe, like you, that he is aware of
Speaker 1: this conversation.
Speaker 2: Mike got says that Kersh is kind of it's his
Speaker 2: curiosity of like, well, okay, let's see what would happen
Speaker 2: if someone put their face.
Speaker 1: I also think like he's thinking, listen morerow is information
Speaker 1: about these creatures. I've been tasked with learning about these creatures.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. That's a good hole for me.
Speaker 1: Maybe we'll get Yeah, maybe that's a loophole. Maybe I'll
Speaker 1: get some information this way, right, Yeah, Kirsh goes to
Speaker 1: see the eggs. He pets one of the eggs. It
Speaker 1: doesn't even move because Kurch is a synthetic and it
Speaker 1: doesn't want.
Speaker 2: We're going to take a quick break and we'll be
Speaker 2: right back.
Speaker 1: We're back elsewhere on the island. Wendy and Smee showed
Speaker 1: Joe the slips of paper that they eat. They create
Speaker 1: different flavors when they want to taste something. And Isaac,
Speaker 1: you know, is showing off that he knows how this
Speaker 1: technology works, and he's been also learning at a prodigious
Speaker 1: rate by downloading different information from the Internet, and just
Speaker 1: like putting in his brain. Curly asks Show to explain
Speaker 1: how the world ended up this way, and we learned
Speaker 1: that the old forms of government just were no longer workable,
Speaker 1: and so the corporations took over Prodigy, Whalen, Threshold, Dynamic, Lynch,
Speaker 1: And he tells them that the other companies are probably
Speaker 1: very mad at Prodigy because they wailing Tony's stuff, whiling
Speaker 1: tany obviously more than the others. Slash slightly wants to
Speaker 1: know why Wendy can have her brother here and none
Speaker 1: of the rest of them can have their families here.
Speaker 1: He's very upset at this. He's very angry at this,
Speaker 1: and he should be. Joe agrees with them, like you
Speaker 1: should all have your families here. That of course, and
Speaker 1: now the loss there's this moment where you feel like
Speaker 1: the Lost Boys beginning to unionize.
Speaker 2: Yet I'm like Joe is definitely ends up, like Joe's
Speaker 2: definitely gonna end.
Speaker 1: Up character that said, there's always some rats in the barrel,
Speaker 1: and the rats in the barrel are Curly and Isaac,
Speaker 1: who are like, actually, we love this, we love and
Speaker 1: to be fair to them, you know, it's not hard
Speaker 1: to imagine in this world coming from a life situation
Speaker 1: where you think this is pretty good. I lots of
Speaker 1: resources earn.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and if you think about the economics of the
Speaker 2: show that we've learned so far in the world, you know,
Speaker 2: for all we know the reason these kids are terminally
Speaker 2: ill is because they were sold into mining when they
Speaker 2: were little kids and they've never been able. Yeah, we
Speaker 2: have no idea, so they could really also imagine, aside
Speaker 2: from just the capitalist exploitation aspect, which is quite likely,
Speaker 2: there's also just like you could come from an abusive home,
Speaker 2: you could come from He's never there, So I think
Speaker 2: it's normal. I think it makes a lot of sense,
Speaker 2: and I think this is a good I'm glad they
Speaker 2: did this me too, because I was also going to say,
Speaker 2: I think this is a good understanding of Holly from
Speaker 2: Holly of how a character like Curly works, which is
Speaker 2: like you have to understand their own motivations and everything,
Speaker 2: and he's doing a great job of slowly peeling that back.
Speaker 2: I also think this episode for people who weren't necessarily
Speaker 2: into the kid leads of it all. I think this
Speaker 2: episode starts adding in the ring calls that make it
Speaker 2: way more interesting than if it were just some adults,
Speaker 2: since I think like the fear aspects, how easily the
Speaker 2: kids can be manipulated, the kind of early concept and
Speaker 2: passion of like, well, imagine if we were all in
Speaker 2: this together, like maybe we could change something. There's a
Speaker 2: lot of stuff that wouldn't necessarily work if they were
Speaker 2: fully aged adults, And I think that is what's really
Speaker 2: smart here is that Morally has essentially introduced us to
Speaker 2: characters who learn as we learn, and that is a
Speaker 2: good way of getting exposition in. But it's also a
Speaker 2: good way of making this feel very different from any
Speaker 2: other alien project.
Speaker 1: So Curly and Isaac are basically like, well, we kind
Speaker 1: of like everything the way it is, like we're.
Speaker 2: I like living on this tropical island and being immortal.
Speaker 1: You know, it's kind of put off by the awkwardness
Speaker 1: intention She's like, I'm going to go to the lab,
Speaker 1: so she heads off Joe. We get some snippets of scenes.
Speaker 1: Joe inspects his lung scar and is like, you know,
Speaker 1: multi thousand dollars piece of property, prodigy property in my
Speaker 1: chest now rash outside his apartment, like watches him through
Speaker 1: the window. Very I don't know what this is about,
Speaker 1: but yes, it's clearly he's maybe, I think is really.
Speaker 2: Going to say because he knows they're in danger and
Speaker 2: he's kind of thinking, well, I mean, my read here
Speaker 2: was like, is is this somebody that he is like, Okay,
Speaker 2: this is a human who if I get them to
Speaker 2: get chest busted? Yes, he want in trouble exactly. Nobody's
Speaker 2: gonna care if I get rid of this guy. I
Speaker 2: think Wendys who cas.
Speaker 1: I think there's two things. It's like, well, it's not fair.
Speaker 1: Wendy's brother is here. He shouldn't be here because nobody
Speaker 1: else gets to have one, and I need a human,
Speaker 1: so why not him. I don't like him anyway, just
Speaker 1: what he stands for, not necessarily as a person, So
Speaker 1: it makes you can see the logic. Wendy goes down
Speaker 1: to the baby alien growing in his brother's law and
Speaker 1: her brother's lung and she's trying to raise into it.
Speaker 1: She's trying to talk to it. Kersh is watching this.
Speaker 1: The alien bursts out of the little lung and then
Speaker 1: bursts out of the glass and now was running around,
Speaker 1: and Wendy goes to it and like communes with it,
Speaker 1: and they pets it. She's paying and talks to it,
Speaker 1: and Cursh is like, holy shit, this is so crazy.
Speaker 1: And then we get a I don't know what they're
Speaker 1: going to do in the broadcast. In our screener version,
Speaker 1: they're use they used Jane's addiction ocean sizes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the breaking definitely, It's unclear that we are getting
Speaker 2: the same finished versions, but uh yeah, I just love
Speaker 2: this moment so much. I think this is kind of
Speaker 2: that big halfway point, you know, where Hawley is telling
Speaker 2: us like, hey, you thought this was going somewhere, Well
Speaker 2: it's going somewhere else. And I think that you can
Speaker 2: hint that the reason and that maybe Prodigy doesn't exist
Speaker 2: at when we hit Alien in two years is maybe
Speaker 2: because the Lost Boys and the Aliens are going to unionize,
Speaker 2: I mean unionize this enomop.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, what happens to an alien
Speaker 1: that is grown out of in part the genetic material
Speaker 1: of a human who is still alive.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm thinking, Like, is are they going to
Speaker 2: have a connection essentially going to.
Speaker 1: Be like a pet? Yeah? Not it, well not a pet,
Speaker 1: but like because they're too smart obviously to be pets.
Speaker 1: But like, will it read Joe as one of its own?
Speaker 2: Exactly? Will it be something that Joe and Wendy can
Speaker 2: have at their side as they go towards this battle.
Speaker 2: I will be interested to see, because if Wendy can
Speaker 2: essentially raise the baby, then that becomes a whole different situation.
Speaker 2: Like are we going to have like Wendy like riding
Speaker 2: a crazy If I would love it, I don't think
Speaker 2: the fans would love it, So let's I just think that.
Speaker 2: But you know what, I just want to see how
Speaker 2: this familial connection with the alien is gonna happen, because
Speaker 2: it seems to be very important. It also is directly
Speaker 2: outside of any of boy Wonder Boy Cavaliers kind of dreams,
Speaker 2: because all he can see things through is this mindset
Speaker 2: of Peter Pan Right, So you know is the okay,
Speaker 2: wait a minute, I'm gonna tell you so is the
Speaker 2: will the xenomorph essentially become like a protector for the kids,
Speaker 2: like the dog is in Peter Pan, Like I'm I'm
Speaker 2: very interested in in whether or not Hawley's gonna go
Speaker 2: all in on it, or whether once Wendy kind of
Speaker 2: gets her agency, Boy Genius just starts to realize that
Speaker 2: everything he's thinking about was stupid and he didn't understand
Speaker 2: the book, you know, Like I'm interested to see I.
Speaker 1: Think we're gonna go. I think we are headed to
Speaker 1: a play place where the robots and the aliens fight
Speaker 1: on the same side. I think Holly's done too much
Speaker 1: work getting is to empathize with the aliens to be
Speaker 1: nothing right, yeah, or for them to get or for
Speaker 1: them suddenly to flip to being the bad guys and
Speaker 1: we have to wipe them out. And we've done too
Speaker 1: much good work building up Boy Genius as like really
Speaker 1: someone we want to see die.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm so excited to see him die, and I'm
Speaker 2: so excited to learn when he's going to die too,
Speaker 2: because a lot could happen on that island even with
Speaker 2: him dead. So, yeah, how are you feeling about Episode Alien?
Speaker 2: Half halfway through.
Speaker 1: The set getting better and better? I think it started
Speaker 1: very strong and it's only gotten better since then this
Speaker 1: is this episode has so many like things to think
Speaker 1: about and is just so well done. I mean, I
Speaker 1: think some of the acting by Toodles now Isaac by Curly,
Speaker 1: like the the little conversation when they when Joe is
Speaker 1: talking about, oh, here's the five corporations and like Isaac
Speaker 1: is like trying to name them at the same time,
Speaker 1: Like that's such a kid thing to do.
Speaker 2: And That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Like the way they's feel good.
Speaker 2: These actors bring to life the kid aspect, I think
Speaker 2: is one of the strongest things about the show, and
Speaker 2: I think it's one of the things people were most
Speaker 2: worried about when it was introduced. But I think it
Speaker 2: allows us to have character dynamics and character interactions that
Speaker 2: we would never usually get in like an rated sci
Speaker 2: fi show without it's kind of like an homage to
Speaker 2: a character like Newt but without going full t to
Speaker 2: Now you have a kid's sidekick, and I think they're
Speaker 2: doing something really interesting with it. I am so interested
Speaker 2: to see where the Cush kind of sides with the hybrids,
Speaker 2: or sides with Prodigy, or does more of a kind
Speaker 2: kind of David's style thing where he just he thinks
Speaker 2: he's not like interacting, but really he's doing little bits
Speaker 2: of machinations. It's really it's classic alien stuff, and I'm
Speaker 2: loving it.
Speaker 1: My sense is much like the current show Foundation, which
Speaker 1: is like in season three. I think, I think that
Speaker 1: Kersh is looking for a loophole. Like you said, I
Speaker 1: think the reason he's not dropping he's immediately cutting off
Speaker 1: the Morrow conversation is because he's been given a very
Speaker 1: clear task to study the aliens. Morrow has information about
Speaker 1: the aliens as the head of security of that ship,
Speaker 1: and as someone who has been in space with those
Speaker 1: creatures for decades knows a lot about them. Therefore, it
Speaker 1: is within his responsibilities to allow this communication to go
Speaker 1: forward so that he can get more information about the aliens.
Speaker 1: And I think similarly, he is looking for other loopholes
Speaker 1: like that so that he can break free of Boy Cavalier.
Speaker 1: And I think again, I think that conversation that he
Speaker 1: had with Slightly about like what are you going to do?
Speaker 1: Who you're going to side with? Is about siding with
Speaker 1: his kind, with the synthetic kind, against the people who are.
Speaker 2: Which you're crushing them. That trajectory is like very much
Speaker 2: on the same route as we have seen with other
Speaker 2: kind of alien synths in the series where they do
Speaker 2: work for the corporation, but they also usually have their
Speaker 2: own agenda, whether it's something from Whalen himself or whether
Speaker 2: it's like when David became obsessed with the creatures and
Speaker 2: the Doo, so he started to kind of create spaces
Speaker 2: to see what would happen with the creatures, which obviously
Speaker 2: led us to where we are in this. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I just find it a very intriguing set up that
Speaker 2: I think for the second half of the season is
Speaker 2: gonna turn into a cool like potential you know, hybrid
Speaker 2: synthetic uprising, which if you think about it, would be
Speaker 2: an instant reason why Prodigy could just not exist. They
Speaker 2: just get bought up by Waylam because he couldn't control
Speaker 2: the things he created, you know, Like it seems like
Speaker 2: that wouldn't be a hard thing to explain and gives
Speaker 2: a reason for why we would never have heard of them.
Speaker 2: But maybe it's gonna be way worse. Maybe the Aliens
Speaker 2: will actually overrun New Siam. I'm just I'm very excited
Speaker 2: to be watching a show where I really really don't
Speaker 2: have a handle on what is gonna happen next.
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