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Speaker 1: Warning. Today's episode contains spoilers for Alien Earths Episode four,

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Speaker 1: Free the Aliens. Hello, it was Jason Concepcion and I'm

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Speaker 1: Rosy night and welcome back to x Ray Vision of

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Speaker 1: the podcast. We we dive deep at your favorite shows, movies,

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Speaker 1: comics of pop culture, coming to you from iHeart. We'll

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Speaker 1: breathe three episodes a week, plus news on Saturdays.

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Speaker 2: In today's episode, we are exploring Aliens Haunting. Fourth episode,

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Speaker 2: Haunting Haunting. It's going to make you ask some questions.

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Speaker 2: You've got to be asking a lot of questions about

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Speaker 2: the ethics of this technology on many different levels. So

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Speaker 2: let's dive in a lot to talk about this time around.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Alien Earth Episode four Observation. Wendy is waking up

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Speaker 1: after collapsing at the end of episode three. Dame and

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Speaker 1: Kersh are discussing her, but she can't hear them. They've

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Speaker 1: turned off her hearing, so she's not affected by whatever.

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Speaker 2: In immediately horrific situation. Yes, I kind of makes you

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Speaker 2: realize what they can do to you if you're in

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Speaker 2: one of these bodies.

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Speaker 1: So Kersh has figured out basically that Wendy is hearing

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Speaker 1: signals emitted by the xenomorphs she can hear, basically, she

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Speaker 1: can hear them, and he tells this to boy Genius

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Speaker 1: as boy Genius comes in the lab, but Boy Genius

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Speaker 1: is like, yeah, I figured that out already, kersh the

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Speaker 1: fuck of course, cursh jesus, I'm a boy genius. Get name, buddy,

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Speaker 1: uh And he's like, speaking of stuff and expectations, why

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Speaker 1: aren't you in the lab doing the job that I

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Speaker 1: fucking assigned to you? Now get out of here, And

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Speaker 1: then he rips on Dame saying, like, stop treating her

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Speaker 1: like a baby. She's a billion dollar synthetic prototype. And

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Speaker 1: everybody leaves until it's only Arthur, who who we found

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Speaker 1: out of this episode is Dame's husband. Shocker, did not

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Speaker 1: see that, did not see any chemistry between these two,

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Speaker 1: until it's only Arthur, Curly and boy Genius. Then Joe

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Speaker 1: worried about Wendy, and they're like, well, she can't hear

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Speaker 1: you right now, we turned off her hearing. And by

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Speaker 1: the way, i'm your boss, why are you acting like

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Speaker 1: you shouldn't be respecting me? And you're like worried about

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Speaker 1: your employer, your proper deference.

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Speaker 2: I'm like Joe, I don't know if he's seen like

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Speaker 1: And like, as if to underline the point, is like,

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Speaker 1: by the way, how's the new lung I made you?

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Speaker 1: How's that breathing? How's that thing taste? Your other lung?

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Speaker 1: Your old lung? You're never gonna guess where it is.

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Speaker 1: It's in a vat right now, being used to as

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Speaker 1: a nest for a baby chest burster. And Joe realizes

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Speaker 1: he thinks this is crazy, as we all do. Arthur

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Speaker 1: and the crew slowly like bring up Wendy's hearing and

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Speaker 1: Joe tells her about oh, I underwent surgery, but he

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Speaker 1: He very he downplays it severely, and he asks Wendy, like,

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Speaker 1: She's brought back to Research Island, but then she woke

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Speaker 1: up and heard the call of the aliens. She went

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Speaker 1: So listen. One thing I love about this episode is

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Speaker 1: the way it made empathized with these terrible, horrific creatures.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely insane twist I did not see coming this episode,

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Speaker 2: but it actually makes so much sense because when we

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Speaker 2: actually look back at how whailing Utani, from what we've seen,

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Speaker 2: have used the creatures and have constantly been hunting them down,

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Speaker 2: and then someone like Michael kind of tried to create

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Speaker 2: to like it. They have been being exploited throughout by

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Speaker 2: whaling Utani, which is just a crazy thing to say

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Speaker 1: Void Genius is like so so happy. He is like

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Speaker 2: Who fucking care to think of the diet foddy, isn't it?

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Speaker 1: It's a fa and Joe. So, Joe and Arthur are

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Speaker 1: like when she's like, oh, it caused me pain, They're like, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Why would we stop it? Yea, her whole body belongs

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Speaker 1: Wendy's like, wait a second, I want to I want

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Speaker 1: to continue to hear them, like I want to know

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Speaker 1: like other synthetics apparently can't hear it. Yeah, which raises

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Speaker 1: this question of did the aliens figure out a way

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Speaker 2: Huh? Okay, I like that. I like that read a lot.

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Speaker 2: Let me. There was a really great discord theory about

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Speaker 2: was Josmick One who said, maybe if boy Cavalier worked

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Speaker 2: for whalen Utani when he was on his meteoric rise

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Speaker 2: like he has some of the goo, you know, and

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Speaker 2: it does seem weird the eight that Wendy can hear

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Speaker 1: I guess we would need to know if there's because

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Speaker 1: it seems to me, like Wendy is, there's no organic

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Speaker 2: I don't not. From what we know so far, these

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Speaker 1: Boy Genius asked Wendy to can you just like whistle

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Speaker 1: the sound like but obviously in a register we can

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Speaker 1: all hear it? She does it, Curly's jealousy is ignited

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Speaker 1: fanned by Boy Genius is like, aha, can you do that?

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Speaker 1: I wish as something such. I absolutely love pitting the kids,

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Speaker 1: like obviously it's terrible, but like.

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Speaker 2: Me too, and I also feel like I feel no,

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Speaker 2: it's it's great to watch. And I also hope that

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Speaker 2: Kylie will become part of Boy Genius's downfall. That was

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Speaker 1: So yeah, this is Boy Genius's boy Cavaliers like villain

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Speaker 1: I haven't felt this way about a villain in a

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Speaker 2: I was like, it's not that yet, but it's if

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Speaker 2: feel like it could build up. He really he's a

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Speaker 1: A bigger, much bigger fan of the xenomorph than than boys,

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Speaker 1: which is, you know, thematically very alien. Okay, so you

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Speaker 1: know A Joe is like, hey, can we give Wendy

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Speaker 1: Boy Genius then asks Lobot for his opinion about what's

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Speaker 1: going on. Lobot is like, well, we must ask why

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Speaker 1: the hostile aliens are trying to speak to Wendy. Yes,

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Speaker 1: of course, Wow, Lobot, is that why they pay you

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Speaker 1: the big bucks? What incredible? And then Boy Genius tells Lobot, Lobot,

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Speaker 1: and who owns the peace on his partent, I.

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Speaker 2: Don't know if Joe's can't pay that much pay I think.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if he's gonna give up Mossy for that.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a quick break to pay our bills and

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Speaker 1: we'll be right back. And we're at Wendy shows Joe

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Speaker 1: Wendy wants then wants to know, Hey, Joe, are you

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Speaker 2: I really like that Wendy is stressed out about this

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Speaker 1: Watches the tapes of Morrow. It's just getting more information

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Speaker 1: on the former security chief of the Magineo. Meanwhile, boy

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Speaker 1: Genius and we have to talk about this. Boy Genius

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Speaker 1: is reading Peter Pan on his podcast. Does he have

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Speaker 2: Pod a podcast, And also like why this one read

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Speaker 2: another book? My guy?

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Speaker 1: Well, you know what it was. I put this in

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Speaker 1: the group chat, but it is this is the episode

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Speaker 1: where I realized, Oh, what they're doing is Peter Thiel's

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Speaker 1: like obsession with Lord of the Rings and naming all

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Speaker 1: his differ free companies Palenteer a little bit uh, and

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Speaker 1: it's like, I think this is clearly that this is

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Speaker 1: taken the exact wrong message from this very.

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Speaker 2: Popular fac series exactly.

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Speaker 1: I would just love to know more about Boy Genius podcast.

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Speaker 1: Very funny to me.

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Speaker 2: Are they going to release an episode as a special edition?

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Speaker 2: I would I want to know camera.

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Speaker 1: I want to like when it goes to the two shot,

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Speaker 1: I want you to see like Lobot sitting in the

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Speaker 1: cap on like backwards, very basic questions of like boy genius. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So boy Genus is doing his pod which again we

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Speaker 1: can't talk we can't talk enough about. Slightly is out

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Speaker 2: really make this profitable, it's either weapons or life, kind

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00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 2: of making your life longer. And even though obviously lots

432
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:40,200
Speaker 2: of people do have sick kids, the real people who

433
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,480
Speaker 2: want to make their lives longer are these kind of

434
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:46,680
Speaker 2: obsessive men who feel like they have this huge thing

435
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,200
Speaker 2: that they have to keep working on and they must

436
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,199
Speaker 2: always be able to stay as youthful as possible. So

437
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 2: I feel like the real money is in getting adults

438
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:58,640
Speaker 2: brains into those bodies, which we know they say their

439
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,680
Speaker 2: brains are too rigid. So I'm also interested in how

440
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 2: they are planning to make that work because I feel

441
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:05,879
Speaker 2: like that has to be part of the money.

442
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like obviously you would send them to

443
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 1: do very dangerous things, but I guess I then would

444
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 1: need to understand like the cost proposition of how much

445
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 1: these cost like if you just.

446
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:21,280
Speaker 2: Throw a billion human into space, yeah you can, it

447
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 2: doesn't matter.

448
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 1: Right, you can send one of these to like go

449
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 1: study the sun, right you know.

450
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,159
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly, But but like how much money are you

451
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:31,200
Speaker 2: making from that? And how much money did it cost?

452
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:34,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it'll be interesting to see what these you

453
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 1: used to for. My sense is probably like war.

454
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:39,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, war, I think is your number one. Right.

455
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 1: They're probably gonna use these as his foot soldiers or something,

456
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 1: although what is the cost per unit? Like if each

457
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:49,240
Speaker 1: body costs a billion dollars, then it's like why I

458
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,640
Speaker 1: even do it? Just use poor people like they've been

459
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 1: doing for years. Anyway, Arthur basically says to Dame, listen,

460
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:01,360
Speaker 1: I want us thinking about contingency play. These aliens are here.

461
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 1: The stuff with the Lost Boys is going in different directions,

462
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:07,160
Speaker 1: like if this all goes sideways, we need to think

463
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:11,360
Speaker 1: about getting out, okay yeah, And Dame is like, hey, yeah, yeah,

464
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 1: it'll be fine.

465
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:16,200
Speaker 2: Nibs, she's not a serious passon, and like she has

466
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,879
Speaker 2: not realized the seriousness of her situation until late.

467
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,679
Speaker 1: Well, she's about to realize it now. NIBBs walks up,

468
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 1: and NIBBs is acting weird.

469
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 2: Which honestly normal day for Nibs. But she's obvious she's

470
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 2: always been struggling. Yeah, she's with this more than the others.

471
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 1: Listen, she's the she has the mind of a young person,

472
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 1: and she's been severely traumatized by both the process that

473
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 1: she's undergone that put her in this new body and

474
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 1: everything she's seen in the last few days. So she

475
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,639
Speaker 1: comes up and she's like, I'm pregnant for real, Like

476
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:49,640
Speaker 1: for real, for real, I am a baby. I'm gonna

477
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:54,119
Speaker 1: have a baby. And Dame smartly plays along because when

478
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 1: Arthur's like, that's impossible, you don't have you're not a person.

479
00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:59,680
Speaker 2: Nibs I would.

480
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 1: Say, she doesn't get violent, but you could. She reacts

481
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 1: very negatively, and so Dame smartly plays along and she's like,

482
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 1: come to my office, let's talk privately. They go to

483
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 1: the office and NIBBs is like, very, very dedicated to

484
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 1: this idea that she's going to have a baby. And

485
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 1: by the way, she understands how babies are made, the

486
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 1: physical and biological process, and she's not at all convinced

487
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 1: that you need to go through all that to have

488
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 1: a baby. She's because she is having a baby. And

489
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:31,920
Speaker 1: while all that stuff didn't happen. She's having a baby,

490
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 1: So what are you gonna do about it? Dame? The

491
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 1: penny drops for Dame that this whole project that they've

492
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 1: been working on is like rushing along without any kind

493
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 1: of heed to the potential consequences or disruptions that are

494
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 1: now happening. NIBBs then gets, you know, Dame, I think,

495
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 1: tries to be like, let's reason with you, Hey, would

496
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:55,479
Speaker 1: you like to see the blueprints of your body?

497
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 2: No, that's not what she needed.

498
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 1: Becomes violent now and NIBBs is super strong, as are

499
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 1: all these kids, and you know, puts her. She just

500
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 1: does not want to and she continues, she doubles down.

501
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 1: She's like, it's a girl, I think the baby, and

502
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 1: I'm going to name it Clarissa. And we get these

503
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 1: flashes of memories and we realize that NIBBs is haunted

504
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 1: by the confrontation with the eye creature in the lab

505
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 1: and that was horrifying, horrifying, and she doesn't it's so

506
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 1: horrifying in fact, that she does not want to talk

507
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 1: about it. She doesn't want to talk about She will

508
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 1: rather talk about anything else. She violently does not want

509
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 1: to talk about it. Like, she grabs Dame around the

510
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 1: neck and Dame plays it off, goes up, presses a

511
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 1: panic button. Guards show up, and then she's like, oh

512
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 1: my god, Nibs, I forgot I have a meeting with Boycovalier.

513
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 1: I have to go now bye. Yeah, the guards will

514
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 1: show you to your room, and NIBBs leaves with one

515
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 1: of Dame's stuffed animals, and Dame then pulls one of

516
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 1: the guards aside and says, we have a level three

517
00:29:57,840 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 1: security event. You know what that means, which I think

518
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 1: probably means we're wiping Nibs.

519
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 2: Yes, that's what it feels like to me, is like

520
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 2: we're getting rid of her. Like whatever that means.

521
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 1: She's gone, yes, we're gonna hold down the start button

522
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 1: for five seconds and then enter reboot mode, control all delete. Yes.

523
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 1: Joe goes to see Lobot for that meaning, and Lobot

524
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 1: is like, listen, that's what you got to understand. Wendy's

525
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 1: not your sister. That's a synthetic body with the brain

526
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 1: waves that are modeled on your sisters. Also, you work

527
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 1: for me. Also, everything you've seen and heard, even the

528
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 1: air you are breathing right now, is the intellectual property

529
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 1: of Prodigy Corporation, and Joe's like, well, I don't work

530
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:41,479
Speaker 1: here anymore. Quit and well it says, okay, you can

531
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 1: do that, but that means you can never talk to

532
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 1: any of your friends that you made in.

533
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 2: Your your peers who you spent months and.

534
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 1: Wendy you will never speak to her again because she

535
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 1: is lockstock and barrel, the property of Prodigy Corporation. And

536
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 1: also like, what's up with that lung that we make

537
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 1: that we grew you?

538
00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, whonder where that came from?

539
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 1: So you can leave, but your credit score is going

540
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 1: to get nuked from orbit and will never be the

541
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 1: fucking same.

542
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 2: So it's gonna be worse with that ever of mine

543
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 2: or something.

544
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 1: I mean, if the class stuff really comes through in this.

545
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I also want to say, like, I think that

546
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 2: a lot of the stuff they've been exploring in this

547
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 2: show is quite broad and you can kind of read

548
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 2: into it however you want to read into it. But

549
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 2: this moment and the context of like the lung and

550
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 2: the new lung, and how having your body directly connected

551
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 2: to the corporation that you work for is really dangerous,

552
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 2: and how if you can't pay off medical debt then

553
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 2: you can end up with bad credit that would ruin

554
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 2: your life. Noah Hawley's being very direct here. This is

555
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 2: this is less a analogy than it is a direct comment.

556
00:31:56,000 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 2: And I think that's really exciting vibe And Yes, Common,

557
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 2: One of my favorite films I show with super producer

558
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 2: Common is Repo the Genetic Opera. It is definitely giving

559
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 2: that the idea that you could kind of reclaim a

560
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 2: lung or an organ that you didn't pay for. Yeah,

561
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 2: very very bleak stuff. And I kind of love that

562
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 2: Lowboy is the one who's giving these out as well,

563
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 2: Like boy Genius really just does not handle his own

564
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 2: business in any way, shape or form. This man is

565
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 2: like thinking about Peter Patten. Everyone else is doing the

566
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 2: damage control.

567
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:38,479
Speaker 1: So Joe then wants to kind of change the subject.

568
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 1: He's like, Okay, well is that my sister? What did

569
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 1: you do? Or like what was the process? Like? Tell

570
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 1: me about it? And love that is, Like, well, first

571
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 1: of all, are you in or out? Like are you

572
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 1: do you work for us or not? Like are you

573
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 1: quitting and ruining your life or not? And by the way,

574
00:32:55,880 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 1: your sister, Wendy quote unquote or quote sister, she is

575
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 1: one hundred the property of the Project Corporation.

576
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 2: It does look whether she is real or isn't real?

577
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 2: Is your sister or isn't your sister? She is? And

578
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 2: I do think something I think that's really interesting about

579
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 2: the show is actually, this is the kind of this

580
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 2: is the version of this technology that we've seen in

581
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 2: sci fi that I think is the most definitively you

582
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 2: can say that is your sister kind of situation because

583
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 2: even though it is brain waves just based on your sister,

584
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 2: that was a conscious choice your sister made to go

585
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 2: into that body, and now the body has her memories

586
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 2: that remember that choice. So I think we're in a

587
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 2: really interesting situation when it comes to sentience and agency

588
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 2: over the human body and who you are. But obviously,

589
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 2: like can a ten year old child even actually consent

590
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 2: to a choice like this or a decision like this,

591
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 2: That's where the things start getting really.

592
00:33:56,680 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 1: Mabsolutely they can't. Yes, no, no, the baby yeah. So

593
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 1: there is, however, a carrot too. After the stick and

594
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 1: Joe leaves the office, he sees his old colleagues Rachety

595
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 1: and Siberian. They're fine, and apparently the whole search and

596
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 1: rescue squad, all his buddies, are now based on Research Island.

597
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 2: Okay, Jason, I got my class hostages. Yes, I got

598
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 2: a question for you. Who is I was thinking about

599
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 2: this a lot of stuff. Who made that choice? Like

600
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:29,760
Speaker 2: who is the real boss?

601
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 1: Who is the.

602
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 2: One who's making these decisions? While boy Genius isn't, Like

603
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 2: who was smart enough to know? Well, Joe's him. Maybe

604
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 2: we can use these people to navigate.

605
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,240
Speaker 1: I guess Lobot is like the fix Law.

606
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 2: The kind of real the real brains at the moment behind,

607
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 2: kind of keeping things under wraps right now.

608
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:51,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think we're sjured. Does a very dangerous

609
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 1: job because he is colleagues work in a very dangerous

610
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 1: line of work, search and rescue, and anything can happen

611
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 1: to them, to that whole squad exactly. Wendy has a

612
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,320
Speaker 1: meeting with boy Genius, and Boy Genius is like fucking

613
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:12,320
Speaker 1: so obsessed with Peter Pan and like again it's it's

614
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 1: the very bunch Peter Teal and Lord of the Rings.

615
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 1: Wendy is. You can tell from this conversation empathizing somewhat

616
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 1: with the aliens something there is an emotional appeal in

617
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 1: that communication that they are sending that she is responding to,

618
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 1: and she says they don't like being experimented on, and

619
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 1: he's like, how did they tell you that? And he's like, well, well,

620
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,800
Speaker 1: and she basically says, well would you want to be?

621
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 1: Like would you?

622
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:41,439
Speaker 2: Which I have to say feels like foreshadowing to see

623
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 2: some good torture and experimentation on boy Genius sun Cereal the.

624
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:52,799
Speaker 1: Sense and the aliens will rise up. Boy Genius then

625
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 1: asks like, why did you Tanny want them? And and

626
00:35:55,800 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 1: you know why? And she doesn't know, and he basically

627
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:02,799
Speaker 1: now he raises the question of Joe, what do we

628
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 1: do about Joe? I don't like Joe. Joe is like

629
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 1: distracting you from your work, and shouldn't we send Joe

630
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 1: out of here because we don't need him? And when

631
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 1: he's like no, please, please, please, don't to send my

632
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 1: brother away, and then Boise's just like yeah, but like,

633
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 1: is does he really care about you if you didn't

634
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 1: come see you when you were sick and dying?

635
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:20,879
Speaker 2: Oh?

636
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:24,839
Speaker 1: Clearly was like watching and listening to this conversation her

637
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 1: eyes and knows all about knows that pressure point very well.

638
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 1: And he says, well, listen, here's the deal. You talk

639
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:36,359
Speaker 1: to the aliens. Help me understand them and then we'll

640
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 1: keep Joe around. So that's a lot that's we're doing that.

641
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 1: We go onto the LA lab where the observation testing

642
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 1: of the eye is continuing. Toodles says, hey, I want

643
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:49,799
Speaker 1: to change my name to Isaac after you know, Sir

644
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 1: Isaac Newton, and they're like, okay. Isaac runs into Slightly

645
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 1: and tells Slightly that hey, I'm going by Isaac now,

646
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,880
Speaker 1: and it's like, you know, Toodles is like a kid's name.

647
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 1: I don't like it, and Slightly it's like, wait, well

648
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:06,240
Speaker 1: you can change our names. Hold on as sad, and

649
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 1: he's also asking he's Slightly is also acting very very

650
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 1: sketchy cleuely come down here to.

651
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,320
Speaker 2: Steal the literal voice in his head.

652
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 1: Right, and he's lies about being asked to come get

653
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:18,760
Speaker 1: something and then leaves.

654
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 2: Okay, I'll ask you about this. This is another one

655
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 2: of my favorite theories that I've been seeing in the

656
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 2: discord online, essentially that Morrow is Captain Hook because he

657
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:32,839
Speaker 2: has the cyborg arm and that's kind of his role

658
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 2: in the peter Pan of it all, and I thought

659
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 2: that was very interesting, especially now with this kind of

660
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 2: connection between him and you know, Slightly.

661
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 1: I hate the Peter Pan metaphor so much, I know,

662
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 1: and the only thing that, the only thing, the saving

663
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: grace of it is in this episode, I finally realized

664
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 1: that the metaphor is less about Holly putting this metaphor

665
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:00,799
Speaker 1: on it, although that's also an aspect of it, and

666
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 1: it's more that, yeah, boy Cavalier is obsessed with this story.

667
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 1: And so when moral Captain Hook, I answer, I don't

668
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 1: fucking care, and I don't. I don't.

669
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 2: I'm very interested. I like the idea that I like

670
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:18,839
Speaker 2: the archetypes. I think they're fine. I think it's good,

671
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:22,799
Speaker 2: and I'm but I'm also interested to see how boy

672
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 2: Genius is gonna respond to the kids taking these little

673
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 2: bits of agency, like renaming themselves, because that pushes it

674
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:35,359
Speaker 2: out of his understanding of the book and what he

675
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 2: gains from the book, which is I'm just Peter Pan

676
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,240
Speaker 2: and I'm going to be young forever, and he doesn't

677
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 2: really understand the point of the book, which is like,

678
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 2: you will never end up empathizing or loving people if

679
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:46,799
Speaker 2: you don't allow yourself to grow. Well, I think so,

680
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 2: I think you're right. It's very it's very much more

681
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 2: about the book's connection to boy Genius than it is

682
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:53,359
Speaker 2: to Horley.

683
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:56,439
Speaker 1: Right, And I think that listen, I think that boy

684
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 1: Genius is looking at all the ways that these his

685
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,479
Speaker 1: creation are developing, and I think that he is going

686
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:07,360
Speaker 1: to obviously version two is going to have some different features.

687
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:12,240
Speaker 1: They're going to be more controllable, more compliant, less unpredictable, probably,

688
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:14,839
Speaker 1: like that's probably what he would be thinking looking at this.

689
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:17,840
Speaker 1: So slightly goes out of the world to the woods

690
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 1: to talk tomorrow again. It's like, I can't get the egg,

691
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 1: and Marrow's like, well, what if I kill your whole family?

692
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 1: I'm with your mom right now. I always kill him.

693
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 1: And so you got to get that egg. But like,

694
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:31,319
Speaker 1: I've figured out an easier way to do it. You

695
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:33,320
Speaker 1: don't have to go get the egg. Just bring a

696
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:35,319
Speaker 1: person down there and be like, oh, look at that thing.

697
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 1: Isn't that thing interesting?

698
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 2: And get him in in that special position.

699
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,319
Speaker 1: You get him into the face hugger position, and the

700
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 1: face hugger will take care of everything else. Then you

701
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:46,360
Speaker 1: just have to babysit that unconscious person for like twenty

702
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:50,320
Speaker 1: four hours and every now nature will take its course.

703
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:55,840
Speaker 1: Now here is I don't know if it's a loophole,

704
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 1: But it's interesting why can't boy Cat, Why doesn't Boy

705
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 1: Cavalier why is looking through Slightly's eyes or why doesn't

706
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:07,800
Speaker 1: he get the daily recordings from Slightly's head and realize

707
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 1: that this is going on?

708
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 2: Okay, is there something because it is synth to synth?

709
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:13,879
Speaker 2: Is there a way like.

710
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 1: He's talking out loud?

711
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 2: That's the crazy thing that we think carries like.

712
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 1: I'm willing to I am willing to believe that Morrow

713
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 1: has encrypted the signal in some sort of way that

714
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 1: like Boy Genius Cavalier can't pick up. But the fact

715
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 1: that he doesn't wonder who Slightly is talking out loud

716
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 1: to is weird to me.

717
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:40,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's I guess. Also, well, I also

718
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:45,319
Speaker 2: think like the other option is kind of like that

719
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 2: Boy Genius doesn't really do a lot of the looking

720
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 2: through people's eyes doing all that kind of stuff, that

721
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 2: stuff that like Kirsh does or Dame does. And I

722
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 2: think that if it just so happens that Kirsh is

723
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 2: the one, as we kind of see who's listening to

724
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 2: the whole thing, he I think his curiosity is peaked

725
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 2: to like, well, let's just see where this goes. Maybe

726
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,839
Speaker 2: something different is gonna happen. Yeah, I think we will

727
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 2: learn more. I think than boy genius kind of feeling

728
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:17,759
Speaker 2: like that out of his hands. I don't think he

729
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 2: does a lot of the handling.

730
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 1: So that's a good question because they intercut this with

731
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:29,919
Speaker 1: Kersh watching a monitor, and it's kind of unclear if

732
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 1: he is keeping tabs on this conversation or not. I

733
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 1: tend to believe, like you, that he is aware of

734
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 1: this conversation.

735
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 2: Mike got says that Kersh is kind of it's his

736
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 2: curiosity of like, well, okay, let's see what would happen

737
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:44,439
Speaker 2: if someone put their face.

738
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 1: I also think like he's thinking, listen morerow is information

739
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 1: about these creatures. I've been tasked with learning about these creatures.

740
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:51,359
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. That's a good hole for me.

741
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 1: Maybe we'll get Yeah, maybe that's a loophole. Maybe I'll

742
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 1: get some information this way, right, Yeah, Kirsh goes to

743
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 1: see the eggs. He pets one of the eggs. It

744
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 1: doesn't even move because Kurch is a synthetic and it

745
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 1: doesn't want.

746
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 2: We're going to take a quick break and we'll be

747
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 2: right back.

748
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:23,760
Speaker 1: We're back elsewhere on the island. Wendy and Smee showed

749
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 1: Joe the slips of paper that they eat. They create

750
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:31,320
Speaker 1: different flavors when they want to taste something. And Isaac,

751
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 1: you know, is showing off that he knows how this

752
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 1: technology works, and he's been also learning at a prodigious

753
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 1: rate by downloading different information from the Internet, and just

754
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 1: like putting in his brain. Curly asks Show to explain

755
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 1: how the world ended up this way, and we learned

756
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:50,720
Speaker 1: that the old forms of government just were no longer workable,

757
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 1: and so the corporations took over Prodigy, Whalen, Threshold, Dynamic, Lynch,

758
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 1: And he tells them that the other companies are probably

759
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:01,800
Speaker 1: very mad at Prodigy because they wailing Tony's stuff, whiling

760
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 1: tany obviously more than the others. Slash slightly wants to

761
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 1: know why Wendy can have her brother here and none

762
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:11,879
Speaker 1: of the rest of them can have their families here.

763
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:13,840
Speaker 1: He's very upset at this. He's very angry at this,

764
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 1: and he should be. Joe agrees with them, like you

765
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 1: should all have your families here. That of course, and

766
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 1: now the loss there's this moment where you feel like

767
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 1: the Lost Boys beginning to unionize.

768
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 2: Yet I'm like Joe is definitely ends up, like Joe's

769
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 2: definitely gonna end.

770
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 1: Up character that said, there's always some rats in the barrel,

771
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 1: and the rats in the barrel are Curly and Isaac,

772
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:44,400
Speaker 1: who are like, actually, we love this, we love and

773
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:49,439
Speaker 1: to be fair to them, you know, it's not hard

774
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 1: to imagine in this world coming from a life situation

775
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 1: where you think this is pretty good. I lots of

776
00:43:57,520 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 1: resources earn.

777
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, and if you think about the economics of the

778
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 2: show that we've learned so far in the world, you know,

779
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:09,760
Speaker 2: for all we know the reason these kids are terminally

780
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 2: ill is because they were sold into mining when they

781
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 2: were little kids and they've never been able. Yeah, we

782
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 2: have no idea, so they could really also imagine, aside

783
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 2: from just the capitalist exploitation aspect, which is quite likely,

784
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 2: there's also just like you could come from an abusive home,

785
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 2: you could come from He's never there, So I think

786
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 2: it's normal. I think it makes a lot of sense,

787
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 2: and I think this is a good I'm glad they

788
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 2: did this me too, because I was also going to say,

789
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:38,879
Speaker 2: I think this is a good understanding of Holly from

790
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 2: Holly of how a character like Curly works, which is

791
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:45,280
Speaker 2: like you have to understand their own motivations and everything,

792
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 2: and he's doing a great job of slowly peeling that back.

793
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 2: I also think this episode for people who weren't necessarily

794
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 2: into the kid leads of it all. I think this

795
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:57,839
Speaker 2: episode starts adding in the ring calls that make it

796
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 2: way more interesting than if it were just some adults,

797
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:04,840
Speaker 2: since I think like the fear aspects, how easily the

798
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:09,360
Speaker 2: kids can be manipulated, the kind of early concept and

799
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 2: passion of like, well, imagine if we were all in

800
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 2: this together, like maybe we could change something. There's a

801
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:17,880
Speaker 2: lot of stuff that wouldn't necessarily work if they were

802
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 2: fully aged adults, And I think that is what's really

803
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 2: smart here is that Morally has essentially introduced us to

804
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 2: characters who learn as we learn, and that is a

805
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:30,799
Speaker 2: good way of getting exposition in. But it's also a

806
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 2: good way of making this feel very different from any

807
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 2: other alien project.

808
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 1: So Curly and Isaac are basically like, well, we kind

809
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:41,760
Speaker 1: of like everything the way it is, like we're.

810
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:44,840
Speaker 2: I like living on this tropical island and being immortal.

811
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 1: You know, it's kind of put off by the awkwardness

812
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 1: intention She's like, I'm going to go to the lab,

813
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 1: so she heads off Joe. We get some snippets of scenes.

814
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:58,400
Speaker 1: Joe inspects his lung scar and is like, you know,

815
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:03,319
Speaker 1: multi thousand dollars piece of property, prodigy property in my

816
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 1: chest now rash outside his apartment, like watches him through

817
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 1: the window. Very I don't know what this is about,

818
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 1: but yes, it's clearly he's maybe, I think is really.

819
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 2: Going to say because he knows they're in danger and

820
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 2: he's kind of thinking, well, I mean, my read here

821
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:28,360
Speaker 2: was like, is is this somebody that he is like, Okay,

822
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 2: this is a human who if I get them to

823
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 2: get chest busted? Yes, he want in trouble exactly. Nobody's

824
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:38,360
Speaker 2: gonna care if I get rid of this guy. I

825
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 2: think Wendys who cas.

826
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:42,400
Speaker 1: I think there's two things. It's like, well, it's not fair.

827
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 1: Wendy's brother is here. He shouldn't be here because nobody

828
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:49,400
Speaker 1: else gets to have one, and I need a human,

829
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 1: so why not him. I don't like him anyway, just

830
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 1: what he stands for, not necessarily as a person, So

831
00:46:54,719 --> 00:47:01,399
Speaker 1: it makes you can see the logic. Wendy goes down

832
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 1: to the baby alien growing in his brother's law and

833
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 1: her brother's lung and she's trying to raise into it.

834
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:10,960
Speaker 1: She's trying to talk to it. Kersh is watching this.

835
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 1: The alien bursts out of the little lung and then

836
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 1: bursts out of the glass and now was running around,

837
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 1: and Wendy goes to it and like communes with it,

838
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:22,799
Speaker 1: and they pets it. She's paying and talks to it,

839
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 1: and Cursh is like, holy shit, this is so crazy.

840
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:31,959
Speaker 1: And then we get a I don't know what they're

841
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 1: going to do in the broadcast. In our screener version,

842
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 1: they're use they used Jane's addiction ocean sizes.

843
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:40,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, the breaking definitely, It's unclear that we are getting

844
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 2: the same finished versions, but uh yeah, I just love

845
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 2: this moment so much. I think this is kind of

846
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 2: that big halfway point, you know, where Hawley is telling

847
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 2: us like, hey, you thought this was going somewhere, Well

848
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 2: it's going somewhere else. And I think that you can

849
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 2: hint that the reason and that maybe Prodigy doesn't exist

850
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 2: at when we hit Alien in two years is maybe

851
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:09,880
Speaker 2: because the Lost Boys and the Aliens are going to unionize,

852
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 2: I mean unionize this enomop.

853
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, what happens to an alien

854
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 1: that is grown out of in part the genetic material

855
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:23,840
Speaker 1: of a human who is still alive.

856
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:26,840
Speaker 2: That's what I'm thinking, Like, is are they going to

857
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 2: have a connection essentially going to.

858
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:32,919
Speaker 1: Be like a pet? Yeah? Not it, well not a pet,

859
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:35,399
Speaker 1: but like because they're too smart obviously to be pets.

860
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:38,879
Speaker 1: But like, will it read Joe as one of its own?

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Speaker 2: Exactly? Will it be something that Joe and Wendy can

862
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 2: have at their side as they go towards this battle.

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Speaker 2: I will be interested to see, because if Wendy can

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Speaker 2: essentially raise the baby, then that becomes a whole different situation.

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Speaker 2: Like are we going to have like Wendy like riding

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Speaker 2: a crazy If I would love it, I don't think

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Speaker 2: the fans would love it, So let's I just think that.

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Speaker 2: But you know what, I just want to see how

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Speaker 2: this familial connection with the alien is gonna happen, because

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Speaker 2: it seems to be very important. It also is directly

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Speaker 2: outside of any of boy Wonder Boy Cavaliers kind of dreams,

872
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 2: because all he can see things through is this mindset

873
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 2: of Peter Pan Right, So you know is the okay,

874
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:31,880
Speaker 2: wait a minute, I'm gonna tell you so is the

875
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:37,400
Speaker 2: will the xenomorph essentially become like a protector for the kids,

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Speaker 2: like the dog is in Peter Pan, Like I'm I'm

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Speaker 2: very interested in in whether or not Hawley's gonna go

878
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 2: all in on it, or whether once Wendy kind of

879
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 2: gets her agency, Boy Genius just starts to realize that

880
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:55,240
Speaker 2: everything he's thinking about was stupid and he didn't understand

881
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:57,879
Speaker 2: the book, you know, Like I'm interested to see I.

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00:49:57,760 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 1: Think we're gonna go. I think we are headed to

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00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:05,320
Speaker 1: a play place where the robots and the aliens fight

884
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 1: on the same side. I think Holly's done too much

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Speaker 1: work getting is to empathize with the aliens to be

886
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:15,840
Speaker 1: nothing right, yeah, or for them to get or for

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00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 1: them suddenly to flip to being the bad guys and

888
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:21,680
Speaker 1: we have to wipe them out. And we've done too

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00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:25,960
Speaker 1: much good work building up Boy Genius as like really

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Speaker 1: someone we want to see die.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm so excited to see him die, and I'm

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00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 2: so excited to learn when he's going to die too,

893
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:35,799
Speaker 2: because a lot could happen on that island even with

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Speaker 2: him dead. So, yeah, how are you feeling about Episode Alien?

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Speaker 2: Half halfway through.

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00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 1: The set getting better and better? I think it started

897
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:46,920
Speaker 1: very strong and it's only gotten better since then this

898
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 1: is this episode has so many like things to think

899
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:56,239
Speaker 1: about and is just so well done. I mean, I

900
00:50:56,239 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 1: think some of the acting by Toodles now Isaac by Curly,

901
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 1: like the the little conversation when they when Joe is

902
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:10,360
Speaker 1: talking about, oh, here's the five corporations and like Isaac

903
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:12,240
Speaker 1: is like trying to name them at the same time,

904
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:13,719
Speaker 1: Like that's such a kid thing to do.

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00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 2: And That's what I'm saying.

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00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:16,920
Speaker 1: Like the way they's feel good.

907
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:20,759
Speaker 2: These actors bring to life the kid aspect, I think

908
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:22,759
Speaker 2: is one of the strongest things about the show, and

909
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 2: I think it's one of the things people were most

910
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:27,239
Speaker 2: worried about when it was introduced. But I think it

911
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:30,680
Speaker 2: allows us to have character dynamics and character interactions that

912
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 2: we would never usually get in like an rated sci

913
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 2: fi show without it's kind of like an homage to

914
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 2: a character like Newt but without going full t to

915
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:43,399
Speaker 2: Now you have a kid's sidekick, and I think they're

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00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:48,239
Speaker 2: doing something really interesting with it. I am so interested

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Speaker 2: to see where the Cush kind of sides with the hybrids,

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Speaker 2: or sides with Prodigy, or does more of a kind

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00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 2: kind of David's style thing where he just he thinks

920
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 2: he's not like interacting, but really he's doing little bits

921
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 2: of machinations. It's really it's classic alien stuff, and I'm

922
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Speaker 2: loving it.

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Speaker 1: My sense is much like the current show Foundation, which

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00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 1: is like in season three. I think, I think that

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Speaker 1: Kersh is looking for a loophole. Like you said, I

926
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Speaker 1: think the reason he's not dropping he's immediately cutting off

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Speaker 1: the Morrow conversation is because he's been given a very

928
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Speaker 1: clear task to study the aliens. Morrow has information about

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Speaker 1: the aliens as the head of security of that ship,

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Speaker 1: and as someone who has been in space with those

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Speaker 1: creatures for decades knows a lot about them. Therefore, it

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Speaker 1: is within his responsibilities to allow this communication to go

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Speaker 1: forward so that he can get more information about the aliens.

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Speaker 1: And I think similarly, he is looking for other loopholes

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Speaker 1: like that so that he can break free of Boy Cavalier.

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Speaker 1: And I think again, I think that conversation that he

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Speaker 1: had with Slightly about like what are you going to do?

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Speaker 1: Who you're going to side with? Is about siding with

939
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Speaker 1: his kind, with the synthetic kind, against the people who are.

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Speaker 2: Which you're crushing them. That trajectory is like very much

941
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Speaker 2: on the same route as we have seen with other

942
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Speaker 2: kind of alien synths in the series where they do

943
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 2: work for the corporation, but they also usually have their

944
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:40,840
Speaker 2: own agenda, whether it's something from Whalen himself or whether

945
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:44,520
Speaker 2: it's like when David became obsessed with the creatures and

946
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Speaker 2: the Doo, so he started to kind of create spaces

947
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 2: to see what would happen with the creatures, which obviously

948
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 2: led us to where we are in this. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: I just find it a very intriguing set up that

950
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 2: I think for the second half of the season is

951
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:06,960
Speaker 2: gonna turn into a cool like potential you know, hybrid

952
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:12,319
Speaker 2: synthetic uprising, which if you think about it, would be

953
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:16,239
Speaker 2: an instant reason why Prodigy could just not exist. They

954
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:18,400
Speaker 2: just get bought up by Waylam because he couldn't control

955
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 2: the things he created, you know, Like it seems like

956
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:24,479
Speaker 2: that wouldn't be a hard thing to explain and gives

957
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:26,480
Speaker 2: a reason for why we would never have heard of them.

958
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:28,800
Speaker 2: But maybe it's gonna be way worse. Maybe the Aliens

959
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 2: will actually overrun New Siam. I'm just I'm very excited

960
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 2: to be watching a show where I really really don't

961
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Speaker 2: have a handle on what is gonna happen next.

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Speaker 1: Well. In the next episode of extra Vision, we're diving

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Speaker 1: into the biggest stories and streaming, including the arrival of

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Speaker 1: Marvel's Thunderwolt's Asterisk on Disney Plus and the arrival of

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Speaker 1: Superman oh on VOD that's been for this episode. Thanks

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Speaker 1: for listening by x Ray. Vision is hosted by Jason

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Speaker 1: Concepcion and Rosie Knight and as a production of I

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Speaker 1: Heard Podcast.

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Speaker 2: Our executive producers are Joel Monique and Aaron Kaufman.

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Speaker 2: Our producers are Common Laurent Dean Jonathan and Bay Wag.

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Speaker 1: songs by Aaron Kauffman.

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