1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:04,200 Speaker 1: Hello, everybody, Welcome into the Fantasy Pros Channel. I'm Ryan Warmly, 2 00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: joined by Jake Seey from The Athletic and by Derek Brown. 3 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:11,480 Speaker 1: We are talking players that the experts love to target. 4 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 1: This is early on in draft season, right, This is 5 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:16,160 Speaker 1: a malleable, living document. 6 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:16,280 Speaker 2: Of a list. 7 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:19,079 Speaker 1: We are saying we can change our mind on these. 8 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:21,439 Speaker 1: It is only mid May, but as of where we 9 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:23,960 Speaker 1: stand on mid May. Looking at some of these early rankings, 10 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:25,920 Speaker 1: you can find by the way, all the consensus rankings 11 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 1: and tiers for twenty twenty six at fantasypros dot com 12 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 1: slash rankings. Looking at those half half PPR ECR rankings, 13 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:35,640 Speaker 1: we are saying who we like. We're gonna pick a 14 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 1: name each from inside the top seventy five overall, and 15 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 1: then pick a name each from outside the top seventy 16 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:40,880 Speaker 1: five overall. 17 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 3: This is supposed to be just general values. 18 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 2: We like. 19 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:46,240 Speaker 1: You guys did happen to both pick two wide receivers, 20 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:48,159 Speaker 1: so we could almost call it a wide receivers we 21 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 1: love to target episode. 22 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 2: That was just happen. 23 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:52,560 Speaker 3: Stand through the players on me. I thought it was 24 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:53,560 Speaker 3: only wide receivers. 25 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 2: No, no, it's just blame on. 26 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 1: But it's fine, because we love the draft widersces in general, 27 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 1: so we're happy to do that. All right, let's start 28 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 1: off with the top seventy five guys, Debro, who do 29 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:07,399 Speaker 1: you love to target in this range? 30 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 2: I feel like I just I'm a broken record, guys, 31 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:13,319 Speaker 2: But it's another year, so I'm going to talk about 32 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 2: Christian Watson again. But really the productivity was there where 33 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 2: I don't understand, Like right now in ECR he's fifty 34 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 2: sixth overall, he's wide receiver twenty seven. It's like we 35 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 2: all fell asleep and didn't see what he did for 36 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 2: the majority of when he was healthy. Last year, he 37 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 2: was awesome. He was wide receiver twenty one and eight 38 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 2: weeks eight through seventeen. Romeo Dobbs is gone, Tucker Craft 39 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:36,120 Speaker 2: is still in limbo coming off to torn ACL, So 40 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 2: what do we get out of him? Then you got 41 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:39,960 Speaker 2: Matthew Golden and Jayden Reed who's not even a full 42 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 2: time player in the Packers offense, and yet Christian Watson 43 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:46,680 Speaker 2: producing as a wide receiver two last year is a 44 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:49,279 Speaker 2: wide receiver three in ranks like, he's my wide receiver 45 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 2: twenty one. I've got him at forty forty feth overall, 46 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 2: like he just produces, and now the runway with Dobbs 47 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 2: gone Craft, we know is probably not going to be 48 00:01:57,880 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 2: one hundred percent for most of the year. Even when 49 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 2: he is out there, Luke Musgrave can't draw targets. I'm 50 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:05,559 Speaker 2: all one in Christian Watson yet again this year because 51 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 2: when he was on the field two point six to 52 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 2: seven yards per route run, twenty three percent first read 53 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:12,639 Speaker 2: chhare he's gonna be their wide receiver one. 54 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 1: This year, and he was. I mean you said, like 55 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:16,799 Speaker 1: wi receiver twenty one. I think from when he came 56 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 1: back he was he was like wide receiver thirteen from 57 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 1: week eleven on, like after those first few weeks, he 58 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 1: was like a legitimately basically a wide receiver one. In 59 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 1: twelve teen. 60 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, he was really really good. 61 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 1: And obviously there's a lot of spike weeks in there, 62 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:32,959 Speaker 1: like league winning weeks with some of his big touchdown days. Yeah, 63 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 1: I think the reputation of the Packers is, oh, they 64 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:37,919 Speaker 1: like spread the ball around. 65 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:38,920 Speaker 2: You know, don't you know? 66 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:41,360 Speaker 1: They don't have a true wide receiver one. But like 67 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 1: Watson pretty much was that in fantasy for the last 68 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 1: two months of the season. 69 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:46,079 Speaker 2: So I'm right there. 70 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 1: With you, Do you have any concerns de bro just 71 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 1: about like you know, injury stuff in general with him, 72 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 1: like like long term or like this season. Do you 73 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:54,840 Speaker 1: see him as an injury risk or You're like, no, 74 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 1: it's fine, He's like kind of well past that. 75 00:02:57,639 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 2: I mean, I think injuries are always a risk with 76 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 2: any players, special when we talk about the injury history 77 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 2: of Christian Watson, But I'm more on the side of 78 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 2: I think he's got the hamstring stuff figured out coming 79 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 2: off to torn ACL the proof of concept of being 80 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 2: healthy and then showing another layer to his game is 81 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 2: like he stepped up and he was that guy last year. 82 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:17,919 Speaker 2: So again, a player that I've loved ever since he 83 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 2: hit the NFL, So I'm probably more comfortable absorbing that 84 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 2: risk at where he's going. But again, I kind of 85 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 2: feel like, like you talked about warm, like he was 86 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 2: the top fifteen wide receiver when it mattered most for 87 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 2: fantasy leagues last year, and the situation has done nothing 88 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 2: but improved for him in this offseason. So if anything, 89 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 2: I feel like even my ranking is baking in some 90 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 2: of that risk. 91 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 1: If there is risk, yeah, Jake, The interesting thing for 92 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 1: me with Watson is that so many of the names 93 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 1: around him in the wide receiver rankings are players that 94 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 1: I really like, Like in a row in tier five 95 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 1: in our consensus rankings, it's Christian Watson, DJ Moore, Row 96 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 1: Maduns A Carnel Taate, Like, these are names that I'm 97 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 1: very interested in this year. So it's definitely just a 98 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 1: rage where I want to be playing in that end 99 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 1: of the pool with the wide receivers. But I do 100 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 1: really like Christian Watson as well. I'm alongside Debra on this. 101 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 1: Where do you come down on him? He is wide 102 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 1: receiver twenty seven in ECR. 103 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm a little bit higher than ECR, not quite 104 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 3: as side as Debro. I do have, as you know, 105 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 3: if we were doing this show and we hadn't done 106 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 3: our shows yesterday already or the day before, I would 107 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 3: talk about DJ Moore because I do have DJ Moore 108 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 3: inside my top twenty. But I think Watson's in this 109 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 3: entire group, like DJ Morrison in the same tier as Watson, though, like, like, 110 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 3: if you want to like play this tier and say like, 111 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 3: I think that's what gets lost a lot of times 112 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:37,600 Speaker 3: is like we're saying, Okay, we think these guys are undervalued, 113 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 3: and people are like, oh my god, well, then either 114 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 3: I have to take them or I have to call 115 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 3: you an idiot because I don't agree. Here's the good 116 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 3: thing is like where we're talking about groups of names, 117 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 3: as you just brought up, is like if you like 118 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:49,679 Speaker 3: one of those names, more like we're saying they deserve 119 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 3: to be in the conversation. I think what Debro is 120 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 3: saying here where I agree with this, Christian Watson deserves 121 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 3: to be in the conversation as a clear wide receiver 122 00:04:57,160 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 3: to if not potentially more. And that's really what we're 123 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 3: getting to. So if you disagree, I understand. Like the 124 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 3: only concern might be, like you brought up Tucker Craft, 125 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 3: if Tuckerkraft was one hundred percent, because at the end 126 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 3: of the year, the last four games where Watson and 127 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 3: Reid played together, it was twenty one targets Watson seventeen reads. 128 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 3: So that's still good. They just gave read the extension. 129 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:18,039 Speaker 3: Golden looks like, I mean, it's only one year, but 130 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:19,720 Speaker 3: it looks like we didn't get anything we hope to 131 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 3: get out of him. So like, if Golden takes a 132 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 3: step up, and if Kraft is anywhere near one hundred percent, 133 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 3: then maybe you talk, the target share comes down, but 134 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:30,159 Speaker 3: then even then Watson goes back to old Watson, which 135 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:32,159 Speaker 3: is about to be similar to the player I'm bringing up, 136 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:34,839 Speaker 3: where Okay, he only gets six targets, five targets, but 137 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 3: there's a good chance one of them turns into thirty 138 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:38,919 Speaker 3: yards or a touchdown, and he's going to still be 139 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:40,720 Speaker 3: that guy. I think the biggest thing with Debro and 140 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 3: the Watson thing that I'm surprised you to bring up 141 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 3: is it's funny how we sit here in fantasy and 142 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:45,719 Speaker 3: we're like, we want this player to be this, we 143 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:47,279 Speaker 3: want this player to be this, we want this player 144 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 3: to be this, and then he's finally this because he 145 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:52,840 Speaker 3: stayed healthy, and then everybody's like, well, I don't. I 146 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 3: don't really know if I like him anymore. 147 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 2: That's that's a perfect point, Jake. It's like people just 148 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:01,040 Speaker 2: they want it so badly, and then when it actually happens, 149 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 2: they're like, yeah, but he didn't do it for the 150 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 2: whole year, okay, what he was coming off with torn Aco, 151 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 2: and then he did it immediately when he got back 152 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 2: on the field, So it's like, what else do you want? 153 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 2: And for the record, I'm absolutely with you. On DJ Moore, 154 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 2: I've got. 155 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 3: Oh, I know. We looked at the we looked at 156 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 3: the experts, censors, we. 157 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:19,720 Speaker 1: Looked through the ranks who had him ranked highest, and 158 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:22,679 Speaker 1: Jake Deepro's like the alogy to me here at DJ Moore, 159 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 1: all right, Jake, who is your higher ranked player that 160 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 1: you left the target? 161 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 3: So that's talk Dj're just kidding like it's funny, like 162 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:35,480 Speaker 3: you speak about this too. Is like Alec Pierce. I 163 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 3: don't understand what's going on with this ranking because we 164 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 3: just got Alec Peer's breakout season, we just got Michael 165 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 3: Pittman traded away from this team, and now your number 166 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 3: two is Josh Downs, which I think is undervalued. I'm 167 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 3: not going to talk about Josh Downes today, but it's 168 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 3: Josh Downs or Tyler Warren who's going to step up 169 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 3: as the two When the answer is okay, well, the 170 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:57,720 Speaker 3: one is clearly the one has the very little competition 171 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:00,120 Speaker 3: if any, to be the one and Alec Piers And 172 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 3: if you look at the fact of like what he 173 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:04,159 Speaker 3: did with Daniel Jones and maybe that's part of it, 174 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 3: maybe it'll be like, well, is Daniel Jones going to 175 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 3: be one hundred percent for Week one? The interesting thing 176 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 3: was is he had four touchdowns without Daniel Jones two 177 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 3: with him. And I'm not saying we can carry that 178 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 3: over because there was two huge stinkers without Daniel Jones 179 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 3: that we saw actually a zero point game mixed in there. 180 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 3: But I think worst case scenario is also in those 181 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 3: other two really good games and the one where Daniel 182 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 3: Jones left and play at half the game without him. 183 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 3: He actually had more yards without Daniel Jones in that 184 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 3: game after Daniel Jones left. But anyway, point bing if 185 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 3: you just take those four you had two twenty point 186 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 3: games and then you had two stinkers. Who does that 187 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 3: sound like? Oh remember Deshaun Jackson when he did that 188 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 3: for every year and then he was like wide receiver 189 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 3: two every single year. And that's what it is. I 190 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 3: have Alec Pierce in the conversation to be a wide 191 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 3: receiver two because he's going to get one hundred and 192 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 3: twenty thirty targets even in this offense that's going to 193 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 3: run plenty because he's the one. This team clearly wants 194 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 3: him to be the one. And he finally broke out 195 00:07:57,880 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 3: and like, similar to the Christian Watson thing is like 196 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 3: we finally got the breakout, and then people still have 197 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 3: him down in like the thirties. I like, I have 198 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 3: him with eight spots over consensus, and that's still only 199 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 3: wide receiver twenty six. And I'm trying, like I want 200 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 3: to get him to go back to what I said before. 201 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 3: I want to get him higher because I like him 202 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 3: so much. But then we're talking about Terry McLaurin versus him, 203 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 3: DeVante Smith versus him, Burden versus him McLaurin versus. Here's 204 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 3: the big thing. I think he deserves to be in 205 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 3: the conversation with those wide receivers, even if he doesn't 206 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 3: necessarily need to be wide receiver twenty and kind of 207 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 3: overvalue to that point. 208 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 2: Deebro, where's he at for you? Wide receiver twenty two? 209 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:35,439 Speaker 3: Oh so, deebros giving I hate him. 210 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:39,320 Speaker 2: I hate him, I mean, dude, but seriously, like, why 211 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 2: do people not want Alec Pierce for all the reasons 212 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 2: you stated? And then when I peeked under the hood 213 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 2: and I looked at all of his metrics, I was like, 214 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 2: there's nothing that he's not popping in. Like you talk 215 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 2: about yards per route run versus man one point nine 216 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:53,080 Speaker 2: to five versus his own two point four to five 217 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 2: versus single high two point seven versus two high one 218 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 2: point seven. I understand the role that he operated in 219 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:02,080 Speaker 2: last that role was going to be different this year. 220 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:06,560 Speaker 2: He's the clear no questions number one in the passing attack. 221 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:09,440 Speaker 2: Fine even with Daniel Jones like equated in here and 222 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 2: I have a lot of worries about Daniel Jones this year. 223 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:15,079 Speaker 2: But even regardless of that, why is he or how 224 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 2: can he not be ranked as like a wide receiver 225 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 2: two in rankings based off of purely volume nothing else. 226 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 1: I want to let everybody know that our Dynasty Draft 227 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 1: simulator lets you crush a full mock in minutes with 228 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 1: absolutely no waiting between picks. 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All right, guys, you each have 238 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 1: a name outside the top seventy five h debro Yet. 239 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:05,959 Speaker 2: How in the ever love and hell is Parker Washington 240 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 2: outside the top seventy five players. Did everybody just miss 241 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 2: Brian Thomas Junior becoming only a field stretching option. Did 242 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 2: everybody miss what Parker Washington did in the back half 243 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:20,440 Speaker 2: of the season usurping Jacoby Myers in this offense for 244 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 2: the Jaguars, breaking out like, I don't understand that he's 245 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:26,679 Speaker 2: my wide receiver twenty seven. He's wide receiver forty one. 246 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 2: In ECR, I have him as a fifty third overall player. 247 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:33,200 Speaker 2: ECR has him in ninety fifth, so he's almost outside 248 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 2: the top one hundred. I'm just I'm begging that ECR 249 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 2: wakes the heck up because week sixteen through nineteen, guys, 250 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 2: I can make a case, in an easy case here 251 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:44,680 Speaker 2: at even pump him even higher in the rankings. He 252 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 2: was the white like. He averaged twenty two point three 253 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 2: Fantasy points per game in weeks sixteen through nineteen. That 254 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 2: would have made him the wide receiver two overall for 255 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 2: the year. In fantasy points per game. Now, am I 256 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 2: putting that type of label and saying he will be 257 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 2: a wide receiver one this year? No, But considering during 258 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 2: that stretch he got a twenty eight point nine percent 259 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 2: target year, he averaged one hundred and thirteen receiving yards 260 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 2: per game, had three point seven yards per route run 261 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 2: in those four games. His high leverage usage was off 262 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 2: the freaking charts. He had six reds on targets and 263 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 2: thirteen thirteen deep targets. So, regardless of however you want 264 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:29,439 Speaker 2: to splice this up, he was the clear wide receiver 265 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 2: one for Jacksonville. He got almost all of their high 266 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:36,200 Speaker 2: leverage usage. Unless we think the Jacksonville Jaguars are gonna 267 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:40,319 Speaker 2: absolutely face plant this year, why do we not want 268 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:42,599 Speaker 2: their clear wide receiver one? And why is he a 269 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 2: wide receiver four in rankings? Somebody needs to explain this 270 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 2: to me. 271 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 1: We Jake talked a lot about the Jacksonville receiving room 272 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 1: earlier this week, so I'll let you weigh in here. 273 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, if anybody didn't watch the other video, 274 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:01,560 Speaker 3: the video was about how it pains me to say 275 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:04,559 Speaker 3: that Brian Thomas is vastly overrated right now and that 276 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 3: really hurts is because the short version, because Deebro just 277 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 3: went into a lot and echoed a lot of what 278 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 3: I was saying is that they basically turned Brian Thomas 279 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 3: into a field stretcher. And that's really all it was 280 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:17,680 Speaker 3: is because once all three were there, Parker Washington, Jacoby 281 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 3: Myers and Brian Thomas. Every game after that, Brian Thomas's 282 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:24,440 Speaker 3: a dot jumped fifty percent, almost about fifty percent after that, 283 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 3: he was running twenty yards downfield. And the biggest thing is, 284 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 3: even to go back to what you said, Debro, like, 285 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:32,320 Speaker 3: even if they don't face plan or do face plant, 286 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 3: whatever it is, Trevor Lawrence isn't going to change. And 287 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:36,839 Speaker 3: what Trevor Lawrence does is he looks for his first 288 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:40,200 Speaker 3: read short intermediate, and he goes there a lot, and 289 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:42,079 Speaker 3: then if he doesn't, he goes to the second one, 290 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 3: which is often still short to intermediate. He doesn't start 291 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 3: looking downfield, and he doesn't do it that often unless 292 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 3: there's a design play for it, or the other things 293 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 3: are just so well covered and he has time, which 294 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 3: is that's what happened is Brian Thomas's target share dropped 295 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 3: almost fifty percent, and of those targets. A lot of 296 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 3: them were that huge a dot, which we know those 297 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:02,959 Speaker 3: turn into almost fifty to fifty balls even if you're 298 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:05,440 Speaker 3: not strongly covered. So it was a little bit longer 299 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:07,320 Speaker 3: version than I wanted to say. But I do have 300 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:09,679 Speaker 3: Parker Washington, as anybody who watched that video, as the 301 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 3: highest Jaguars wide receiver. And I've been with debro in 302 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:15,960 Speaker 3: this the entire time as Parker Washington should be because 303 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:19,080 Speaker 3: he's Trevor Lawrence's binkie. Really, that's what it comes down to. 304 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 2: Jacksonville, Amana, Saint Brown. Nobody wants that. And Jake, we 305 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 2: talked about this a second ago. People talk about the 306 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 2: slot role for Liam Cohen. We get the production and 307 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:32,320 Speaker 2: then people are like, nah, we're good, he's a wide 308 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 2: receiver for don't worry about that. Just a flash of 309 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:36,960 Speaker 2: the pan. Nothing to see here, nothing to see at all. 310 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:39,560 Speaker 2: Like I just I don't understand it. 311 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:43,080 Speaker 1: You guys are agreeing far too much. I'm hoping we 312 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:45,439 Speaker 1: can maybe get a little disagreement here on this. Lastly, 313 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:48,200 Speaker 1: Jake's going way down in the rankings. Yeah for his 314 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:50,720 Speaker 1: final player here, JQ, do you have Yeah. 315 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:53,080 Speaker 3: I almost wanted to bring up the entire Raiders collective 316 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 3: just to take flyers on any of them besh to 317 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 3: you know, the signing a nailor or anything like that. 318 00:13:57,520 --> 00:13:59,320 Speaker 3: But then I saw this one I never heard bringing 319 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:02,080 Speaker 3: out for two reasons. If any Dynasty people are listening 320 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 3: and drafting on sleeper, I tweeted this out last week. 321 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 3: Caleb Douglas is beyond buried. I don't know if the 322 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 3: ADP is adjusting or whatever, but and then people are 323 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 3: tweeting me back and they're like, oh, I got him 324 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 3: after my fifth round all free agency. I got to 325 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 3: be like, he is buried, and there's no reason to 326 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 3: not take him at least in the third realm of 327 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 3: a Dynasty rookie only draft, because could he bust? Was 328 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 3: everybody shocked by the fact that the Dolphins took him 329 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 3: where they diad Yeah, one hundred percent, But we're also 330 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 3: talking about somebody who's actually freakish athletic six y three, 331 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 3: two hundred plus pounds ninety fifth percent tile on the speed. 332 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 3: He does everything you wanted to do. He can get 333 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 3: free quickly and continue to stack if you look at 334 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 3: everything that the only concern that he really has is 335 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 3: one consistency, but two he doesn't play up to strength. 336 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 3: He doesn't play like two hundred pounds. He probably plays 337 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 3: more like one seventy. And that's something that can be 338 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 3: adjusted in the NFL, though, Like it's not somebody that 339 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 3: you watch out there and you're like, oh my god, 340 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 3: his routes are terrible. We need to fix this. It's 341 00:14:57,760 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 3: somebody who has an issue that is more easily most 342 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 3: And again, this isn't a whole testament to say like 343 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 3: I'm huge on Caleb Douglas. Caleb Douglas wasn't inside my 344 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 3: top ten wide receivers before the draft, but the Dolphins 345 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 3: made this investment. I would take Bell ten times out 346 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 3: of ten if we knew Bell was healthy, but there's 347 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 3: questions if he's gonna be ready for week one, and 348 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 3: even if Bell is ready for week one, and I 349 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 3: would take Bell ten times out of ten over Douglas. 350 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 3: This is potentially the one and the two for the Dolphins. 351 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 3: We're talking about a wide receiver room that is now 352 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 3: Jillen Tolbert, Malik Washington and two to two at well, 353 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 3: you're talking about field stretching three or four of most teams, 354 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 3: as he just was with the Cowboys, and then two 355 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 3: gadgety kind of wide receivers that shouldn't be the starting roster. 356 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 3: So Caleb Douglas has the inside track to be the 357 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 3: outside starting wide receiver from day one, even if Bell 358 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 3: is healthy. And I just think for that point again, 359 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 3: I'm not saying go crazy, but there's no reason that 360 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 3: he should be way down off the charts on rookie 361 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 3: let alone, way down out of the ranks, completely undrafted 362 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 3: and then undrafted and then still undrafted and redraft deepra Yeah. 363 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 2: Disagree with him. I think taking shots no, no, I 364 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 2: mean like taking shots on the Miami passing attack, like 365 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 2: I think is absolutely incredibly smart, Like whether it's Caleb 366 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 2: Douglas or my guy Kevin Coleman junior, Like one of 367 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 2: these guys are maybe multiple emerged this year, and so 368 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 2: if you're gonna take shots on Caleb Douglas, like I 369 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 2: wasn't high on him as a prospect coming out, like 370 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 2: his analytical profile was man, but the size speed combination, 371 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 2: I've looked at this as being like kind of very 372 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 2: similar because it's his Green Bay south of green Bay 373 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 2: when they drafted Romeo Dobbs, not so much of the 374 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 2: player that he was, but who he could become and 375 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 2: the leaps and bounds that he took his game to 376 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 2: over the years, because I'm old enough to remember Romeo 377 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 2: Dobbs and Mobile and he's getting pressed into oblivion and 378 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 2: he couldn't get off the line in one on ones. 379 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 2: So seeing that type of evolution for a player that 380 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 2: had the raw tools, we could see that for Caleb Douglas. 381 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 2: Now do we see it in twenty twenty six? We 382 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 2: shall see. There could be moments, but I think Jake 383 00:16:57,920 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 2: is absolutely spot on here and taking shots on the 384 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 2: doll's passing attack. 385 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, the one where we compared him too, Sorry it 386 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 3: was gonna say it was Cedric Tillman, as in he 387 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:06,680 Speaker 3: could be gone Like Cedric, My. 388 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 2: Comper was Exavier Hutchinson. 389 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, we're never to hop in the NFL, but you 390 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:13,400 Speaker 3: take that chance because he's not going to the situation 391 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:16,239 Speaker 3: where he's clearly the fourth, Like there's going to be 392 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:18,679 Speaker 3: one of these three rookies, if not too that we 393 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 3: see having value because there's such a wide opening. 394 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 1: I was just gonna ask de Bro where in Dynasty 395 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:27,720 Speaker 1: rookie dress were you taking Douglas? Where was he overall 396 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:27,919 Speaker 1: for you? 397 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:35,359 Speaker 2: Oh? Let me see here kill them, Douglas, this is 398 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:36,160 Speaker 2: lovely audience. 399 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:38,720 Speaker 3: I'll fill in. I have him a twenty seven. I 400 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:41,720 Speaker 3: haven't a third round okay, just because of the draft. 401 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:43,640 Speaker 2: I've got him inside of my top I've got him 402 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 2: inside of my top fifty. So like basically like in 403 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 2: the fourth round, I think you know, it's just splitting 404 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:48,920 Speaker 2: hairs between guys. You're gonna take in that fine. 405 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 3: Especially this year, third fourth round, just take who like 406 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:54,680 Speaker 3: if you disagree again, you take who you think because 407 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 3: it's so like just. 408 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 2: False adp out the window once you get past the 409 00:17:57,720 --> 00:17:58,120 Speaker 2: top twenty. 410 00:17:58,160 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 3: Yeah I will. 411 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 1: I will say I got completely deep appilled on Kevin 412 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 1: Coleman junior and took him in a lot of drafts. 413 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:04,639 Speaker 2: Yeah love how you took him ahead of me in 414 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 2: our rookie draft. I love that saw that and you 415 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 2: and you took cole Payton right before that too. 416 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:13,359 Speaker 1: Yeahs will piss him off the most. 417 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 3: Okay, here's where I'll go draft. 418 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:16,359 Speaker 2: To and rage. 419 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 1: I love it a year like this, especially right just 420 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 1: like you know who knows what we're doing here? 421 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:25,159 Speaker 2: I swear I wasn't twitching at all when you made 422 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 2: those pics. Uh is it? Now? 423 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:30,439 Speaker 1: People forget that I uh snaked debro on Pokinakua and 424 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 1: our rookie draft in like the fourth round the year 425 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:35,399 Speaker 1: he came out and he refused to give me. I 426 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:36,879 Speaker 1: was like, listen, I'll give him to you for a 427 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 1: third rounder next year, and he said no, and. 428 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:42,879 Speaker 2: Then Mike Mayer trades for him and then lauds it 429 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 2: over me every single day of my existence until it 430 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 2: like since then. So it's been fun times and this 431 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:49,320 Speaker 2: is all. 432 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:51,479 Speaker 1: Right, really fun to have a very friendly note. We'll 433 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:53,960 Speaker 1: go ahead and wrap up this short video. Thanks everybody 434 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:56,200 Speaker 1: for checking out the hold on Values Expert. 435 00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:58,360 Speaker 3: I'll go ahead. Did you get the shirt reference? 436 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:00,200 Speaker 2: Thank you? 437 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 3: Because for don't play nice. I want to see if 438 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:05,639 Speaker 3: Worm gets it though, because worm doesn't get anything when 439 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:06,719 Speaker 3: it comes to these things. 440 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 2: No, worm doesn't get anything. That's like I am saying 441 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:12,399 Speaker 2: ericson for movie references. No, I'm but worm worm is 442 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:13,360 Speaker 2: soapop call I'm looking. 443 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:15,480 Speaker 3: I I know, I'm not kidding it. What is it? 444 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:22,639 Speaker 3: Koreena at Time? It's the rain song. Make it It's okay. 445 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:25,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no chance I was gonna he wasn't gonna 446 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 1: get that. 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