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Speaker 1: Christmas, okay, okay, So I went to the Queen Mary.

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, oh right, which is the second time I've

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Speaker 2: Because I went down there, they did this, they do

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Speaker 2: In India was obsessed with mases this holiday season, so

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Speaker 1: Went down to that one.

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Speaker 2: It was so much fun and we actually slept on

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Speaker 2: the Queen Mary for the night, and so we decided

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Speaker 2: We were like, let's go to the Queen Mary. And

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Speaker 3: For I never go back to the Queen Mary.

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Speaker 1: Now what No, no, oh, you have a Queen Marry story.

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Speaker 3: I have too many, too many.

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Speaker 2: Because they have the greatest buffet in the history of

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Speaker 1: Was like, yeah, okay, the buffet whatever you know, I don't.

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Speaker 4: How are you not? As anybody? I don't eat enough either?

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Speaker 1: Do you need see?

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Speaker 2: Like yeah, Like my brother in law was like he's

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Speaker 1: It comes to breakfast. It's like the most boring breakfast.

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Speaker 2: I like, the idea of toast is just as exciting

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Speaker 2: as a waffle that's been handmade in front of me

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Speaker 2: with I don't care about anyway.

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Speaker 1: This was beautiful.

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Speaker 2: This was by far the best buffet I've ever seen,

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Speaker 2: and outside of a cruise ship especially, so you guys,

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Speaker 2: maybe we should just go down and do an episode

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Speaker 1: Anyway, it's in this giant I will be.

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Speaker 4: That's fine because to be eating the whole time.

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Speaker 5: Seriously, I tell you, every time we're in Vegas, every

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Speaker 5: time I hit a buffet, it's where I make all

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Speaker 1: It turns out because you know, Alex was selling me

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Speaker 2: It's like ranked in world buffets as like one of

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Speaker 5: You want to be on the Titanic, Yeah, exactly, Yeah,

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Speaker 5: I want old cruise.

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Speaker 2: Like the fact that cruise ships are like all made

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Speaker 2: Go in like an old classy boat where you like

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Speaker 1: You know, tour. Like I'd be so into that. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: You my grandparents that was their honeymoon, a cruise on

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Speaker 4: Very, very sweet, very awesome. Writer. There's a there's a

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Speaker 2: Yep, different station, different countries. So you have like an

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Speaker 3: I don't like buffet sushi. It's too cold.

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Speaker 4: But hold on.

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Speaker 4: The Queen Mary. Oh.

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Speaker 3: I love that story about the Queen Mary. I also

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Speaker 3: Okay, it took place on the Queen Mary. I mean

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Speaker 3: it wasn't. We weren't supposed to be on the Queen Mary.

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Speaker 3: We were like on a ship. On a ship.

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Speaker 3: It was supposed to be a dorm. It was supposed

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Speaker 3: I don't remember a single thing about it except there

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Speaker 1: Around the monkey.

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Speaker 2: You got that rule Number three was the monkey loves

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Speaker 2: to panga exactly.

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Speaker 5: No, no big movements around Peter Tork, we had all

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Speaker 2: I want Danielle to read the script for the first time,

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Speaker 4: Point, the crayon has washed away.

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Speaker 1: It was dorm. It's your honeymoon, it's honey.

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Speaker 3: Anyway, I I literally every time I other than my grandfather,

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Speaker 3: I know. Did they have donuts?

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Speaker 1: No, but they had some incredible pastry desserts.

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Speaker 5: Say, he's gotta be some baked goods and Banana Foster's.

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Speaker 4: Oh like yeah, with ice cream.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, passers by, okay, Attorneys General, Attorney's General.

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Speaker 3: I'm Daniel Fishel, I'm right or strong, and I'm Will's Fredell.

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Speaker 3: Let's just say things are a little more fragmented. But

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Speaker 4: Yeah, very similar, very similar.

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Speaker 4: Oh look at you.

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Speaker 3: I was just saying in your intro that you have

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Speaker 3: in muey taie, and that's Will's dream.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. I have a squeaky belt that barely holds up

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Speaker 1: Thank you very much.

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Speaker 6: Well, never too late to start, Never too late to start.

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Speaker 6: Twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 5: I actually I'm I'm actually going to with the people

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Speaker 1: So this year you're going to start doing martial arts.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm going to start Brazilian jiu jitsu this year,

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I'm that's exciting.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, pretty excited. Okay, I get a white belt in

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Speaker 1: What do you start in Brazilian jujitsuary?

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Speaker 4: Isn't it like all grappling?

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Speaker 6: I think, yeah, it's all grappling. You know, there's gee

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Speaker 3: Wow, that's so cool. Oh man, I didn't get a gee.

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Speaker 6: Yeah. Never too late.

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Speaker 3: Maybe this is my year.

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Speaker 4: We'll have to do it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I cook with g I like which is a

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Speaker 6: Oh, thank you for having me. You know, love you guys,

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Speaker 3: Let's talk about you starting to audition at five years old.

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Speaker 3: I know, like a lot of us kid actors, you

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Speaker 6: I was seen by the casting director and they're like,

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Speaker 4: How much of this do you actually remember?

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Speaker 3: Unbelievable. And you so you were five at this time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's amazing. Were your parents what were they thinking now?

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Speaker 6: I was in my last year of preschool, gees.

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Speaker 5: And now, had you had anybody in your family, uncle's parents,

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Speaker 5: of roadmap a little bit or no.

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00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:08,200
Speaker 6: Just just my mom briefly?

441
00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:09,920
Speaker 5: You know, well, no, I heard that, but I mean

442
00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:12,040
Speaker 5: it was other than that small that was it. So

443
00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:14,639
Speaker 5: there was no, Yeah, you didn't for general, you know,

444
00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:17,080
Speaker 5: have an uncle or generation. It was just your mom

445
00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:19,560
Speaker 5: for the little bit of time. And then you you

446
00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:21,760
Speaker 5: were kind of the start you and your mom.

447
00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:25,480
Speaker 6: Yeah, and then my sister actually went on to she

448
00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:28,120
Speaker 6: found more success in voiceovers and actually bought her first

449
00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:32,200
Speaker 6: car that way. You know. So, but there wasn't really

450
00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:34,639
Speaker 6: a roadmap, and you know, that's that's a huge thing

451
00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:36,760
Speaker 6: I give props to because my mom was with me mostly.

452
00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:40,639
Speaker 6: I give her huge props for that. She she really

453
00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:43,200
Speaker 6: figured it out and learned it as she'd go as

454
00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:46,760
Speaker 6: she went and talked to parents that she really you know, respected,

455
00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:48,840
Speaker 6: who had, you know, kind of the same outlook on

456
00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:51,160
Speaker 6: parenting a child. Actor.

457
00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:55,680
Speaker 3: Did you ever meet or know Macaulay Culkin or Jonathan

458
00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:59,120
Speaker 3: Taylor Thomas, who are probably the only two people who

459
00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:01,040
Speaker 3: really know what it feels like to be in your shoes?

460
00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:04,480
Speaker 6: You know, it's funny and uh, in my adult life,

461
00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:07,080
Speaker 6: I met Micaulay Culkin because of Brenda's song who I

462
00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:10,120
Speaker 6: did like Mike with Yes, So you know, I've hung

463
00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:12,159
Speaker 6: out with them a couple of times. And he's an

464
00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:14,840
Speaker 6: incredible guy. And it was first time we met. We

465
00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:16,679
Speaker 6: chopped it up for a long time about it, and

466
00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:19,840
Speaker 6: he's he's an incredible person. I'm a really big fan

467
00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:20,880
Speaker 6: of him as a human being.

468
00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:25,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's awesome. I mean truly, there's the three of

469
00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:29,280
Speaker 3: you are probably the only three that level that level.

470
00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:32,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I don't know, because it's really interesting because

471
00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:35,080
Speaker 6: it's like I live, I live the like I lived

472
00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:37,119
Speaker 6: this life. I don't know what it looks like. And

473
00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:39,200
Speaker 6: I'm sure you guys all feel this, right, you lived

474
00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:42,359
Speaker 6: your experience. You don't know what that means to people

475
00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:45,719
Speaker 6: an outside, right, So for me, it's like, I you know,

476
00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:47,920
Speaker 6: it's like, you don't know, like doing this podcast, I'm

477
00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:50,000
Speaker 6: sure it's been mind blowing to see just the support

478
00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:52,520
Speaker 6: you've had, right, even if you knew you knew you

479
00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:55,040
Speaker 6: were on a huge you know show, right, but it's

480
00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:57,199
Speaker 6: just mind blowing to see that. And I think that

481
00:22:57,359 --> 00:23:01,120
Speaker 6: never's lost on me because whenever I do get down

482
00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:03,840
Speaker 6: about things here and there, because it's like, you know,

483
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:07,880
Speaker 6: we're we're chasing these creative endeavors, right, you know, and

484
00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:10,400
Speaker 6: and through conventions, right, you meet some people and and

485
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:12,719
Speaker 6: maybe they're going through a rough time and you were

486
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,360
Speaker 6: able to make their day one percent better, ye, Right,

487
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:18,240
Speaker 6: So it's really interesting to have that. I don't know

488
00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:20,520
Speaker 6: what it looks like on the outside, but you know,

489
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:22,959
Speaker 6: that's a huge compliment. So thank you.

490
00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:26,520
Speaker 3: Yeah. I joked in your intro about how many Planet

491
00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:30,840
Speaker 3: Hollywood openings you probably went to, But at like seven

492
00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:34,639
Speaker 3: years old, the entire world just opened up to you.

493
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 3: Do you have any big memories or surreal moments of

494
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 3: that year. I know you went to the Oscars that year.

495
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:47,320
Speaker 6: I think actually they had me then tape, like tape

496
00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:49,600
Speaker 6: my reaction to Cuba winning it in like a hotel room,

497
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:51,399
Speaker 6: so I don't think that was not the actual.

498
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:55,959
Speaker 5: But I remember that's wheny he flips down the like

499
00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:59,760
Speaker 5: runs down the stair and slips down the thing, and yeah, yeah,

500
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:01,960
Speaker 5: that was a memorable win.

501
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:07,159
Speaker 6: Yeah, I let's see big memories. You know. I I

502
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:08,720
Speaker 6: got to meet a lot of my heroes at the

503
00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:11,399
Speaker 6: you know, growing up, which which I'm sure you all

504
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:13,560
Speaker 6: have experienced. Like you get to the world opens up,

505
00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:15,119
Speaker 6: we're at the same event as like, you know, I

506
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:19,359
Speaker 6: remember being really excited to meet Tony Hawk. Yes, but

507
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:21,639
Speaker 6: it was like I always remained a kid, and I

508
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:24,920
Speaker 6: still am in the sense that I meet people who

509
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,000
Speaker 6: I love their work and I'm very excited about it.

510
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:31,200
Speaker 6: But it was it's kind of hard to pick out,

511
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:34,480
Speaker 6: you know, a particular moment. I think the whole thing

512
00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:38,280
Speaker 6: has been a trip up until you know, being being

513
00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:40,919
Speaker 6: thirty five now and looking back on it, and I

514
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,000
Speaker 6: forget a lot. I live in Oklahoma now, I forget

515
00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:46,520
Speaker 6: all the time. Yeah, that like I did anything, you know,

516
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:50,199
Speaker 6: so just like going to my mailbox, you know. But

517
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:55,320
Speaker 6: it's it's it's a crazy it's a crazy experience for sure.

518
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,080
Speaker 4: You Now, you were so young when you started.

519
00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:00,560
Speaker 5: We always talk about kind of in our experience we

520
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:03,400
Speaker 5: were in school and then booked something big and then

521
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 5: worked and then went back to school. But you were

522
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 5: booking stuff, I mean pre k, yes, But before you

523
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 5: even really started school, did you have an opportunity to

524
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:14,879
Speaker 5: have any sort of regular elementary school or middle school

525
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 5: kind of life or were you basically set schooled until

526
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 5: you were older.

527
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 6: I went back and forth to public school. I went

528
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:25,119
Speaker 6: to White Oak Elementary and Lindarow Middle School and Agra

529
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 6: High School. And my parents were really adamant about that.

530
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:30,360
Speaker 6: So they you know, corresponded with the schools and made

531
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:33,159
Speaker 6: sure I got all the material and that I was

532
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 6: doing it and doing doing a good job. And I

533
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:39,400
Speaker 6: had I to this day, my closest friends are from

534
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:42,800
Speaker 6: from you know, middle and high school. For sure, So,

535
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:46,120
Speaker 6: I mean it was I was always balancing that. Sometimes

536
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 6: it was more consistent than other things. But if you

537
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 6: look at like how movies come out, right, sometimes I

538
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 6: did have a break right, so I did, like like

539
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:59,000
Speaker 6: Mike and Stuart Little Tour far apart, but Stuart Little

540
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,880
Speaker 6: too due to like the animation, it takes a while, right,

541
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 6: Like when I did the first two were little, it

542
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 6: took forever to come out, and I was like, I

543
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:09,479
Speaker 6: told all my friends I did this thing, and they're like, yeah, okay,

544
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 6: it was like never coming out. But you know, it

545
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:17,159
Speaker 6: was crazy traveling the world. Like one of my favorite

546
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:21,879
Speaker 6: experiences was while balancing school, you know, traveling in Europe

547
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 6: and doing promotion for like Mike, and it was just

548
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,240
Speaker 6: me and little Bawow and my mom and his mom

549
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,680
Speaker 6: and my sister and that, and we were like playing

550
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,680
Speaker 6: basketball everywhere, like every you would be in Germany and

551
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:33,159
Speaker 6: they're like set up a hoop for us to be

552
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 6: on like a live TV show, and like that was

553
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 6: some of the best. Those were some of the best

554
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:40,919
Speaker 6: experiences of my life. I just I had a blast.

555
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 6: And so it's like balancing that it is weird to

556
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,479
Speaker 6: go and be treated definitely one way and then go

557
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:50,159
Speaker 6: back to public school and it's completely different. But I

558
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 6: think that, you know, it's really ultimately very important. I

559
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:56,439
Speaker 6: played in youth league sports. I did you know. I

560
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 6: was thinking about this recently. I did. I did baseball

561
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:03,440
Speaker 6: and basketball, and I remember one year I did baseball

562
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,239
Speaker 6: and because I was about to shoot Stuart Little, they

563
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,640
Speaker 6: didn't want me to play baseball in case I got hurt.

564
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,440
Speaker 6: Were a little worried about it. From my memory, so

565
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 6: basically the result was like we made it. I think

566
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 6: it was too little. We made a deal with one production.

567
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 6: We're like, I'm gonna play baseball, but I have to

568
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 6: wear this like face.

569
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 4: Mask and uh, don't bring the money maker.

570
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 6: It was so embarrassing, and I wore this face mask

571
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:28,359
Speaker 6: and I would get picked on, not by the kids,

572
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:30,879
Speaker 6: by the parents of opposing teams.

573
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 4: Come on, and.

574
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,919
Speaker 6: I would get picked on by coaches of opposing teams.

575
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:39,879
Speaker 6: And I was pretty confident in myself in some ways.

576
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 6: And I remember I was telling my girlfriend this. That's

577
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,880
Speaker 6: why I remember this last weekend. There was a coach

578
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,119
Speaker 6: who was who was making fun of me, and he

579
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 6: was like yelling across like what do you have cancer? Kid?

580
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 4: Like horrible, right, Oh my god.

581
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 6: And so I went and I when when the inning

582
00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 6: was over, I went into their dugout and I and

583
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 6: I went right up to him and I'm like, what's

584
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 6: your problem?

585
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh.

586
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:05,159
Speaker 6: And then he didn't know what to do. He's like,

587
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 6: and I was like, you know, I'm doing this. This

588
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 6: is why I have to do this right now, because

589
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 6: I work, I have a job. And I let him

590
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 6: know and that you know, it was crazy.

591
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:17,160
Speaker 3: I forgot it for you.

592
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:18,639
Speaker 4: Oh man.

593
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 6: Yeah, Oh the kids were fine, the parents were awful.

594
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:25,879
Speaker 5: That was that normally your experience, because we've talked to

595
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 5: a lot of people that have had trouble in some

596
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 5: of us as well, had trouble in school when you're

597
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,119
Speaker 5: an actor, I mean kind of. We've said basically, unfortunately,

598
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 5: when you're a kid, even if it's a good thing,

599
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 5: anything that makes you different is bad. So did you

600
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 5: have any trouble with with fellow classmates or was it

601
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 5: really just the parents, which is awful?

602
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 4: My god.

603
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, say, the parents at like the actual school I

604
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 6: was at, were great. Like the sports sports teams, the

605
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 6: sports parents on my team were great. It was weird

606
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:57,719
Speaker 6: about the opposing parents, but yeah, yeah, definitely. It was

607
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 6: pretty awful. Elementary school was was line, middle school was

608
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 6: like not good, and high school is fine. I you know,

609
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 6: found kind of my group at people. I played water

610
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 6: polo in high school. In middle school, I think it's

611
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 6: just a terrible age, you know, like people is just

612
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 6: not nice to each other. But it was pretty brutal,

613
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 6: Like I didn't want to go to school every day.

614
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 6: You know, I was like, what am I gonna get

615
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 6: made fun of for today? And there was like kind

616
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 6: of a crowd around me when I first if I

617
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 6: remember correctly, you know, when I first went to middle school,

618
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 6: it was different schools feeding in and you know, it

619
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 6: was people were just really curious and it was the

620
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 6: point I remember the principals like we're gonna put you

621
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 6: at a separate table for lunch because it was just

622
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 6: a lot and I was like no, please.

623
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 4: Don't, yeah, please don't put.

624
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, they're gonna put me, you know, with the

625
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 6: kid it was allergic to peanuts. I was like, you know,

626
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 6: I was like, don't please, don't put me at the

627
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 6: peanut free table. You know, I think they'll make it worse.

628
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 6: And it did die down, but it was yeah, for

629
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 6: a while, like, I'm not gonna lie, it was. It

630
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 6: was awful, but U you know, I'm over it now

631
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 6: at thirty five, Yeah, exactly. Thirty four was a year ago.

632
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 3: No, yesterday, I'm feeling good, but.

633
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 6: It was you know, I ended up beingcoming friends with

634
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 6: a lot of these people who didn't who you know,

635
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 6: didn't like me or whatever. But you know, it's it's,

636
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 6: you know, you never know what people are going through.

637
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 6: And I think that a lot of bullies, you know,

638
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 6: aren't terrible people. They just have whatever is going on.

639
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 6: But I remember just like getting anxiety every day before

640
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 6: going to school and be like, oh God, what's going

641
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 6: to happen today? Yeah, but you know, my parents wanted

642
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 6: me to like tough it out, Like you can change schools,

643
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 6: it might be the same thing. Like, you know, yeah,

644
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 6: I toughed it out, and I was dealing with my

645
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 6: own issues. Well I know you were talking about on

646
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 6: a part podcast with anxiety, right, Yeah, sure, I had

647
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 6: my first panic attacks and I was having panic attacks

648
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 6: like every day. I'm not even to do with the

649
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 6: school elements just whatever.

650
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 4: Yeah.

651
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 6: I don't think it's because I was an actor. I

652
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 6: think I just maybe was a person who was going

653
00:30:58,840 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 6: to have panic attacks.

654
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a lot that goes into it.

655
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 5: There's you know, genetics and just chemicals and every other thing.

656
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 4: So yeah, you never know.

657
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 6: Yeah. So I mean it was just like I had

658
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 6: that private battle in my head, right, and then I had,

659
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 6: uh kids who weren't so nice, and then high school

660
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 6: ended up being great.

661
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 5: Though, you know, but I mean growing up, growing up

662
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 5: out here in California, there had to have been other

663
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 5: actors in the school.

664
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, yeah, you know, and they weren't in Jerry maguire.

665
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the thing. Yeah, commercial. Yeah, then it's not

666
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 4: gonna be an Yeah, it's not gonna matter.

667
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 6: It's true. Yeah, there was what was that Disney show

668
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 6: she was on? There was Haley kyoko Oku. Yeah, yeah,

669
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 6: she's wonderful. She were in the same grade. We played,

670
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 6: We would jam, we played instruments together. I played drums.

671
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 6: She's really talented. She went onto huge things, right, But

672
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 6: at that time, like, yeah, people's parents worked in the industry.

673
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 6: But it's just like, you know, I wasn't uh, I

674
00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 6: wasn't very cool. So I think there was element to it.

675
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 3: I mean, everything you say about yourself sounds really cool.

676
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 3: You played basketball, you played basically you played water, you

677
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 3: played the drums, Like what was not cool about you? Dude?

678
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:16,479
Speaker 6: Probably being neurotic and worrying about this. But but you know,

679
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 6: it's like we all adjust and improve. You know, it's

680
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 6: like you look back on it, it's easily, you know,

681
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 6: you can easily be like, yeah, kids are mean or whatever.

682
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 6: But you know, I'm you know, I definitely I definitely

683
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 6: talked back when people were mean to me. And you know,

684
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 6: I think that you just it's it's interesting. I used

685
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 6: to look at it and be like, you know, for

686
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 6: for a while, but you know, it's like you grow

687
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 6: up and you realize, like a lot of these people

688
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 6: just had their own own stuff going on as as well.

689
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 3: You know, thanks to like Mike. There are so many

690
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 3: great pictures of you on the internet in a jersey,

691
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 3: and you mentioned that you played basketball. I imagine there

692
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 3: are a lot of current NBA players who grew up

693
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 3: on like Mike. Do is it is that one of

694
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 3: the movies that comes up today more than any other

695
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 3: for you? Like, I bet you're big with NBA players.

696
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, I met a lot of players who

697
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 6: who really liked like Mike, and just a lot of

698
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 6: athletes in general, and you know that's really special for me,

699
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 6: Like Mike was kind of a weird thing. How it

700
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 6: all happened was what. You know. My mom really encouraged

701
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 6: me to read a lot and to you know, try

702
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 6: to even produce at a young age. So I optioned

703
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 6: a book when I was I think like tent for

704
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 6: uh to try to make into a movie. Okay, and UH.

705
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 6: Some a production company got the rights before before me,

706
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 6: and they were going to make it. And I tried

707
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 6: to position myself to get that role, and they said

708
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 6: you're too young now. They ran into some financing issues.

709
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 6: It got pushed back a couple of years. I was

710
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 6: the right age, uh, And they had a director named

711
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 6: John Schultz, and I kept pursuing it and then I

712
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 6: had a meeting with him about this movie. He said,

713
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 6: you're still a little young, but I am doing this

714
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 6: movie like Mike, and I will write you your part.

715
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 6: It's a small part, I'll write it to be bigger.

716
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 6: I want to do this movie with you so we

717
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,839
Speaker 6: can get you know, a good working relationship, and I'll

718
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:17,359
Speaker 6: go do that other movie with you in a year.

719
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 6: And we did both. Wow, But it was the other

720
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 6: one when Zachary Bieber came to town.

721
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 4: Okay, uh went?

722
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:27,280
Speaker 6: It went to Tripeca and had like a limited release

723
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 6: and it was a really cool movie. It was me

724
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 6: Eric Stultz. Jesse Plemmons played yet another bully in it,

725
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 6: did a lot of bullying growing like he was in

726
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 6: like Mike, he was a bully, he was a Cody

727
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 6: Linley was in it. And it was a really special film.

728
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 6: It was kind of like a stand by me me.

729
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 6: It's kind of What's Heat and Gilbert Grape type of feel.

730
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 6: I'm not saying it was that good. Yeah, he was

731
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:56,720
Speaker 6: pretty good. You know. I'm pretty proud of that one.

732
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 3: What was a young Jesse Plemmons, Like.

733
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 6: He's a wonderful person. Yeah, I haven't talked to him

734
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:08,359
Speaker 6: a little while, but he's a wonderful person who comes

735
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 6: from a wonderful family. And even as he you know,

736
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 6: started to really gain a lot of success, he didn't change.

737
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 6: He's the same dude, and he's a incredible guy.

738
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:34,400
Speaker 3: He always love those stories. Speaking of you know, having

739
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 3: not spoken to somebody in a while, you have gone

740
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 3: viral a couple of times for the story that Tom

741
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:42,280
Speaker 3: Cruise actually kept in touch with you for many years

742
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 3: after Jerry maguire and maybe even more shocking, he also

743
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 3: kept in touch with the first little boy who had

744
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 3: the role that he worked with for two weeks. What

745
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 3: do you think makes Tom Cruise such a dynamic, special

746
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 3: personality possibly the last true movie star yep, last one.

747
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 6: You know, it's it's his energy. I've never felt before

748
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 6: where it's just it's his presence. It's it's this drive

749
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 6: in this kindness and understanding. And I I, you know,

750
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 6: I always I'm always gonna look up to that guy,

751
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 6: you know, and he has been incredible to me. And

752
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 6: you know, when I reached out when I wanted some advice,

753
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 6: you know, I think I cold called, like what is

754
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 6: the United artist at the time or something, you know,

755
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 6: when he was involved there, it was it was it

756
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 6: was funny. And he ended up getting back in touch

757
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 6: with me, and they emailed me, They're like, when can

758
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:41,479
Speaker 6: you meet with Tom? And I was like, wow, really,

759
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 6: And I went to his house and in my twenties

760
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,319
Speaker 6: and I met with him and he gave me advice. Oh,

761
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 6: and you know, all his advice was about about hard

762
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,760
Speaker 6: work and being kind to others and you know, showing

763
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 6: up early and staying late. And I think it's I

764
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:59,359
Speaker 6: think it's the work ethic. I think it's just the

765
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:03,240
Speaker 6: drive to always bring the best product to the audience.

766
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 6: You know, he's not a person who underestimates an audience.

767
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:10,280
Speaker 6: He respects his audience, respects the people who watch his movies,

768
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 6: and so he's going to put his life on the

769
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 6: line several times to do that.

770
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 4: He's so entertaining. He's so entertaining, it's amazing. Did you

771
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 4: ever get a cake? Did you get a Tom Cruise cake?

772
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 6: I did not get a cake.

773
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 3: Of a Tom Cruise cake.

774
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, but but yeah, you know it's people ask about

775
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 6: him all the time. We haven't talked in a little bit,

776
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 6: but whenever I have reached out, he has responded, you know,

777
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,840
Speaker 6: and a great response time on that guy. He responds.

778
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 6: But he's been you know, he's been really supportive. You know.

779
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:53,919
Speaker 6: I I reached out when they were casting Top Gun

780
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 6: Maverick and I reached out. You know, casting was just

781
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:02,240
Speaker 6: I'm sure overwhelmed with submissions and my manager and agent

782
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 6: could get me in there. And so I emailed him

783
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 6: and I said, hey, like, I don't know if you

784
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 6: think I'm right for this, but if you think I'm right,

785
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 6: I'd love to like audition for it, and I had

786
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 6: an audition for it. He got me an audition and

787
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 6: so auditioned for you know, it's like dummy sides. You

788
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 6: don't know what's going on, right Audi a few different

789
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 6: roles under like code names, and you know it didn't

790
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 6: go my way, but it it because it wasn't meant

791
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 6: to happen. But yeah, it just really to me the

792
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 6: fact that he gave me that opportunity and the opportunities

793
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 6: he'd given me just just to do Jerry Maguire, I mean,

794
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 6: he didn't have to and he did.

795
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 2: Man, it sounds like, you know, I mean, having known

796
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 2: you for years now and like seeing how hard you

797
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 2: work at being an actor, I'm really curious about beyond

798
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 2: the work, like how your relationship to acting has changed

799
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:50,879
Speaker 2: because you only went to that one acting class or whatever.

800
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,439
Speaker 2: It sounds like, did you go back to classes later

801
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 2: or were you already Because when you have that kind

802
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 2: of stardom leap, it gets hard to like take the

803
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 2: craft serious because there's just the jobs come or they don't,

804
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 2: but you don't, you know, So how is your what

805
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 2: is your relationship and journey been like in terms of

806
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:09,720
Speaker 2: the craft of acting itself.

807
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 6: I love it more than I've ever loved it in

808
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 6: my life at this point, right now, as we're really

809
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 6: I just did a movie we wrapped last month, and

810
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 6: I got to you know, I EP did as well

811
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 6: the executive. I executive produced it, and it was with

812
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 6: Matt Walsh and Geneva car and it was The Three

813
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 6: Hand or pretty much the whole movie, and it's all dialogue.

814
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 6: And I wouldn't be able to do that if I

815
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:31,840
Speaker 6: didn't go to acting class. I didn't work for a

816
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 6: number of years. So every time I work now, I

817
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:38,799
Speaker 6: get really emotional about it. I love I love doing this.

818
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 6: And I took class at Playhouse West they have a

819
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 6: Meisner program for years. And then I played the younger

820
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:51,319
Speaker 6: version of this very talented actor bro probably the most

821
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 6: talented actor I know, Joshua with Baton. I played the

822
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 6: younger version of him in a play and Lost Girls

823
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 6: John Polono, and in a movie for the Love of Money,

824
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 6: and I started learning from him as well, Holligagne at

825
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 6: a Playhouse West especially, and I always took class very seriously.

826
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 6: When I decided not to go to college, I decided

827
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 6: to take double the amount that you're supposed to take

828
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 6: a playhouse West because I love this and even at

829
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 6: the end of the day, I still I still can

830
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:24,879
Speaker 6: never be satisfied. I don't think I work hard enough.

831
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 6: You know.

832
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 4: It sounds like Tom Cruise.

833
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 6: Well, when that's your example growing up, I'm going to

834
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 6: get you know, but but I love it, and I

835
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 6: I you have to just keep going, you know, you

836
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 6: have to keep swimming. There was five years where I

837
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 6: didn't work and people would always go, oh, well, you

838
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 6: went to high school and you were normal. Yeah, but

839
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 6: I also did audition for stuff and I didn't get it.

840
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,479
Speaker 6: And that's cool. Yeah, funny things. I've said that before,

841
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,400
Speaker 6: and they're like the clip part of the quote or

842
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 6: whatever and make it seem like I'm sad that, like, yeah,

843
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 6: my career is and where it needs to be. I

844
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 6: that's fine. It gives you something to strive for when

845
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 6: your career isn't where you you want it to be,

846
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 6: that's beautiful. It gives you something to strive for. If

847
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 6: I didn't work and my career just just ascended, and

848
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 6: you know, it just I was at the top, who

849
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 6: knows what type of person I'd be. But the fact

850
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 6: that I've now I got very fortunate and I will

851
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 6: always say that and I have you know, I do

852
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:20,800
Speaker 6: feel untalented, but I I got very fortunate with these roles.

853
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 6: But I've had to work ten times as hard in

854
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 6: the back end to get the roles that I do today,

855
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:29,360
Speaker 6: including producing and making projects for myself, you know, or

856
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 6: to be able to be in and to find good projects.

857
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 6: And that's something I don't take lightly. I work incredibly

858
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:37,919
Speaker 6: hard and it's always on my mind every single day.

859
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:39,840
Speaker 6: And I know the best is yet to come from me,

860
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 6: which with the track record not working for a while,

861
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 6: most people you know, would quit and and I just

862
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 6: I don't. I don't have that. I don't have that

863
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 6: in me, you know. I just I can't have thought

864
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:56,760
Speaker 6: about it. I just think about it a lot sometimes,

865
00:41:56,760 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 6: but I can't. I just, you know, want to. I

866
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 6: heard this. I'm gonna butcher the quote. But there's this

867
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 6: guy pops up on a lot of Instagrams that Alex Hermosi,

868
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 6: and he talks about out working yourself doubt, and I'm

869
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,320
Speaker 6: just always trying to outwork myself dout. He also talked

870
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:19,319
Speaker 6: about providing undeniable proof that you are who you say

871
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:22,760
Speaker 6: you are, stacking that proof over and over, so every

872
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 6: class I went to, you know, I worked very hard,

873
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:28,279
Speaker 6: and then even in my thirties now and looking back

874
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:30,879
Speaker 6: at I would work really hard and the burn myself out,

875
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 6: and then I didn't put myself in the right position

876
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 6: I feel to do what I wanted to do. You

877
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 6: can always work harder, and I think it's important that

878
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 6: you're all in, is still a consistent pace and not

879
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 6: trying to just do it all at once and then

880
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 6: burn yourself out, because I think I did that. I'd

881
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 6: work incredibly hard to get really close to a role

882
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 6: that I wanted and maybe it didn't go my way

883
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 6: or I tested for a pilot, and then I would just,

884
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:58,319
Speaker 6: like you know, get exhausted a little bit depressed about it.

885
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 6: Where I think if you just stay consistent and you

886
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 6: also live your life and live your normal life, and

887
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 6: you allow yourself to find other streams of making income,

888
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 6: of providing for yourself, I think that you can be

889
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 6: all in and do that as well. Now my perspective

890
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:13,840
Speaker 6: has changed greatly.

891
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 5: The attitude that you have is so it seems so healthy,

892
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 5: and the drive that you have seems so amazing.

893
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:21,319
Speaker 4: How much of that is.

894
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 5: Due to martial arts or is the study of martial

895
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 5: arts also due to the attitude you already had. I

896
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 5: don't even know if I said that right, because sometimes

897
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:32,359
Speaker 5: I meet a lot of people that maybe don't have

898
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 5: the discipline they need. Then they find something like martial

899
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:37,319
Speaker 5: arts and it kind of focuses them more. And then

900
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 5: there's people that are super focused and that makes them

901
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 5: a great martial artist.

902
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:43,840
Speaker 4: And I'm just curious which route of that is yours.

903
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 6: I can naturally be really lazy. I don't think it's

904
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 6: like innately in me, you know, you know, I think

905
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 6: I think martial arts changed my life. I think doing

906
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 6: Brazilian jiu jitsu, especially, you know, you have people are

907
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 6: beating you up and they're bigger than you. You know,

908
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 6: I think you get humbled and you grow from that.

909
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:01,880
Speaker 6: I think also that, you know, moving away from the

910
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 6: pain of realizing maybe I didn't capitalize on all the

911
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:07,440
Speaker 6: opportunities I could have, and being honest with myself and

912
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 6: not sitting in it, but letting that pain be enough

913
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:12,239
Speaker 6: to propel you forward in a beautiful way and going

914
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 6: I I I'm better than this, I can do better.

915
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 6: So I think that drives me every day is the

916
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:21,879
Speaker 6: fact that I don't want to feel like I didn't

917
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 6: leave it all on the field, you know, at the

918
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 6: end of the day, when it's all said and done,

919
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 6: when I when I can't act anymore, you know, when

920
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:32,920
Speaker 6: it you know down the line, very far down the

921
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:36,880
Speaker 6: line hopefully. Yeah, that that I just I just have

922
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 6: to do it. You know. It's like I'm you know

923
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 6: you some artists, right, they can paint, they get I've

924
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 6: never been good at painting. I you know, I tried

925
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 6: really hard at being a good drummer. Naturally, just wasn't

926
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:52,319
Speaker 6: a great drummer. But but acting is this thing that I

927
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 6: just can't get get out of. You know, I have

928
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 6: to do it. And you know, I got to work

929
00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 6: with writer a little bit, and uh, you know it

930
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:02,879
Speaker 6: was like that meant a lot for me what what

931
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 6: you wrote, and your words are beautiful, and I just

932
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 6: want to be able to be a part of telling

933
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 6: stories that hopefully make somebody's day one percent better.

934
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 3: You know, I love that. Did in those five years

935
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 3: that you didn't work, did you have a job outside

936
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 3: of the entertainment industry.

937
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:20,919
Speaker 6: I was in high school at that time.

938
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 3: Okay, I was playing water.

939
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 6: I was playing club club water polo. You know, I

940
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 6: found other ways to to to make income, thankfully, but

941
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 6: you know, I teach and now i'm producing. I do

942
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:38,840
Speaker 6: a number of other things, become pretty entrepreneurial because that

943
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:42,360
Speaker 6: is also creative, right, yes, exactly. And I think you

944
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:44,400
Speaker 6: have to go through I think you have to go

945
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:48,840
Speaker 6: through tough times, right, and uh, I've been through incredibly

946
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 6: tough times, and I think that's what made me focus

947
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 6: even more than martial arts. But I don't think I

948
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:54,879
Speaker 6: would have been able to go through those tough times

949
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 6: if I hadn't faced adversity from other human beings, you know,

950
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 6: trying to choke me and ju ju.

951
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:18,279
Speaker 3: Do you think in general, how what's your opinion on

952
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 3: putting kids in the entertainment industry. Do you have a

953
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 3: thought about whether or not it's a good place for

954
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:24,279
Speaker 3: kids or not.

955
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 6: I would say majority of the time it's the parents.

956
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:29,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know.

957
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 6: And so I think it's like depending on the parent,

958
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 6: I can't give an overall, like you know, this is

959
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 6: yes or no. I think if you have parents that

960
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 6: it's more important for them to be a parent than

961
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 6: to have their kid be a movie star. Yes, they

962
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 6: should let their kid pursue it. Yeah, if you have

963
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 6: parents that it's more important for them to live out

964
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 6: their dreams or to get some sort of satisfaction from

965
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 6: their kid, you know, making money or making for themselves,

966
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 6: and they absolutely shouldn't do it. And I think you're

967
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:57,360
Speaker 6: always going to have both groups of people, like you

968
00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:59,319
Speaker 6: have a lot and you know, it's like you you

969
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:02,400
Speaker 6: all been through this. We we've met people where the

970
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 6: parents were really great and that they turned out greaty

971
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:09,879
Speaker 6: the kids, even if they didn't pursue acting at the end.

972
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 6: But there's a lot of you know, I think it

973
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:16,319
Speaker 6: really comes down to the parents, and I think you

974
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:18,319
Speaker 6: have to be honest with yourself why you're doing it.

975
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 6: My parents once again, they would ask me after I

976
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:25,319
Speaker 6: did a role, you're still happy. You don't need to

977
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:27,880
Speaker 6: do it. You know, we turned down a series regular

978
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 6: before for me to play Little League baseball. You know,

979
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 6: if your parents are in that mindset that it's that

980
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:37,400
Speaker 6: you know, in our protective there's a lot of grossness

981
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:41,759
Speaker 6: out there. I think that you know, it's you got

982
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 6: to pursue what you love. But it just really depends

983
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 6: on the parents, and I think that's the majority of

984
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 6: the cases. You know.

985
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:52,799
Speaker 4: I'm curious why Oklahoma you know, I was.

986
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:54,880
Speaker 6: Kind of driving around. I just kind of I just

987
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:56,239
Speaker 6: kind of stopped here and I didn't leave.

988
00:47:56,400 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 2: You know, I wasn't great.

989
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 1: Wow.

990
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 6: I went on like a like a journey. I grew

991
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:05,279
Speaker 6: my hair out to hear. I got rid of all

992
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 6: my stuff I owned except for what could fit in

993
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:09,879
Speaker 6: my geep Wrangler, and I just drove him around and

994
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 6: I stopped a few different places. I came to Oklahoma

995
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 6: to ae of my friends were out here from high school.

996
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 6: And I love the people, you know, I love the

997
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 6: filmmaking community out here. It just made a lot of

998
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:23,319
Speaker 6: sense now Now I have a wonderful girlfriend and fell

999
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 6: in love out here, and my daily life is amazing.

1000
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 6: And I noticed that especially with my anxiety, it's gone

1001
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 6: down an incredible amount just environment wise. That love. I

1002
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 6: love the people, and I think there's a huge uh

1003
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 6: there's been. They've been doing a lot of amazing work

1004
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:44,840
Speaker 6: out here, but there's an even bigger future for for

1005
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:47,360
Speaker 6: filmmaking out here.

1006
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 3: You mentioned the movie you recently did, Williston, a psychological

1007
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:54,279
Speaker 3: thriller that you are going to be in with Matt

1008
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 3: Walsh and Geneva Carr. Are you excited to be in

1009
00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 3: what appears to be a rather scary, serious movie.

1010
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 6: Yeah. I was really scared to do it. Uh. You know.

1011
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:07,880
Speaker 6: I worked with the director briefly and he, uh, it

1012
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 6: was pretty crazy. He he's a playwright first and foremost,

1013
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 6: and he he did his debut movie. I did a

1014
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 6: small part in it. And he hit me up and

1015
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 6: he's like, I have the script, uh, you know, adapted

1016
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 6: from a play. I did, what do you think about it?

1017
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 6: And it was it was really incredible. And then what

1018
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 6: I found out was he adapted it just so he

1019
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 6: could tell me he adapted it because he thought I

1020
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 6: was so right for it. And he's amazing Adam Adam Seidel,

1021
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 6: amazing guy. And and we put it together. I work

1022
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:39,520
Speaker 6: for a company called Buffalo eight, and you know, we

1023
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 6: and I know a local team out here, uh of producers,

1024
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 6: and we put it together and we made it happen.

1025
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 6: It was. It was really scary. It's it's you know,

1026
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 6: pretty much three people the whole time, like a Glengarry

1027
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:55,239
Speaker 6: Glenn Ross type of feel tape. Uh. And it was

1028
00:49:57,120 --> 00:50:00,719
Speaker 6: it was so hard. It was so hard. I'm kind

1029
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:03,320
Speaker 6: of a little depressed it's over because it was so fun.

1030
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 6: But we rehearsed and we rehearsed it like a play

1031
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:08,399
Speaker 6: and we shot. We shot seventeen pages one day.

1032
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 1: Whoa, it's like a Hallmark movie.

1033
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 6: Yeah. And if we shot it, I mean we shot

1034
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 6: a lot of it, like like long takes, and it

1035
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 6: was the most intimidating thing. And when those two artists

1036
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:22,719
Speaker 6: are your steam partners and they're bringing every day and

1037
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 6: they're amazing, you have no choice but to get better,

1038
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 6: you know. So yeah, I mean it's it's always like

1039
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:30,239
Speaker 6: you don't know what the outcome is going to be.

1040
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:32,839
Speaker 6: Are people gonna like it, you know? Or they are

1041
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 6: you gonna trash me? You know? But it's it was

1042
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:40,320
Speaker 6: an incredible experience, and that's what I focus on. I

1043
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 6: I you know, I've done some really cool work, you know,

1044
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:46,760
Speaker 6: as a kid in the middle, I did some cool stuff.

1045
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:48,719
Speaker 6: But I also did a lot of stuff that that

1046
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 6: I did to do something and it wasn't really good.

1047
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:55,880
Speaker 6: I've never seen it the same pieces and that was

1048
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 6: enough for me. And I hit a wall with that.

1049
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:01,760
Speaker 6: And I had a really emotion reaction to hitting that wall.

1050
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:04,839
Speaker 6: And I turned down a lot because you'll get those still,

1051
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 6: those offers here and there for stuff that's you know,

1052
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:09,240
Speaker 6: if it's a straight offer to me at this point.

1053
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 6: It's generally not the greatest material. Just kind of how

1054
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:15,759
Speaker 6: it is right now, be very clinical about it, not

1055
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:19,720
Speaker 6: mad at it. So the best stuff I auditioned for anyway,

1056
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:24,239
Speaker 6: and that's hard, you know, it's some you don't so

1057
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:27,400
Speaker 6: my my, you know, my my goal was to just

1058
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 6: do stuff that I thought had to chance it it

1059
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 6: being really good, because it just just made me really

1060
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 6: sad because I worked really hard in acting class and

1061
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:38,279
Speaker 6: doing theater and to just do stuff where you feel

1062
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 6: like you show up and you know, it's just it's not.

1063
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 6: It's just kind of that on arrival.

1064
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 5: You know, right right, what's your favorite project that you've

1065
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:47,880
Speaker 5: done so far in your entire career?

1066
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 6: Well, since it's most recent, Wilson, I'll tell you that

1067
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 6: that's up there. I did a movie in twenty twenty

1068
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 6: five that I can't talk about.

1069
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:55,360
Speaker 1: It a.

1070
00:51:56,880 --> 00:52:02,400
Speaker 6: Small role in something you know, pretty cool, and that

1071
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 6: was pretty amazing, you know, and it's like the best ones.

1072
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 6: You know, you have so much anxiety before doing it

1073
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 6: and then you get there and a few words come

1074
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:10,440
Speaker 6: out of your mouth and it's the best experience in

1075
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:12,719
Speaker 6: your life. But let's go with Williston right now. There

1076
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 6: was a play I did in twenty thirteen called Lost

1077
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 6: Girls at Rogue Machine Theater in la and that was

1078
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 6: one of the best experiences of my life because I'd

1079
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:21,560
Speaker 6: never done a run of a play that had been

1080
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 6: that long and it got The coolest thing from my

1081
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:27,800
Speaker 6: career is it got published. So like those little Sam

1082
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Speaker 6: French playbooks, I'm in one of those. Yeah, and that's

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00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:33,800
Speaker 6: like the only thing I think I have from my

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00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 6: career left, besides like you know, some old headshots and stuff.

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Speaker 6: You know, there was a there was a collector and

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00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:42,880
Speaker 6: he really liked a lot of work I did. He

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00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 6: bought all my stuff during COVID, So I don't I

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00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:48,320
Speaker 6: don't like having it, you know, I was there. I

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00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 6: don't need it, and I'm really blessed for the past

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00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:54,920
Speaker 6: I've had and really happy about it. But you know,

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00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:57,440
Speaker 6: eyes in the present and eyes also to the future

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00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 6: about what I'm going to do to you know, really grow,

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00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 6: and not obsessing over outcome, but obsessing at you know,

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00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:07,920
Speaker 6: over like the daily tasks I have to do to

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00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:10,799
Speaker 6: get there. And it's not like a fame goal. Yeah,

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00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 6: it's it's a goal to do stuff. I really love

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00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:18,640
Speaker 6: that hopefully resonates with people and like I said, makes

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Speaker 6: your day one percent better, makes them think, or making

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Speaker 6: things that don't underestimate the audience, you know. You know,

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Speaker 6: I think we often throw stuff at them and they're like, ah,

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Speaker 6: they'll take it. They're they're an audience, you know. And

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Speaker 6: the fact is people want to see really good movies.

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Speaker 6: We just have to give them that opportunity to go

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00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:39,319
Speaker 6: do that, whether it is streaming or hopefully bringing you know,

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00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:43,480
Speaker 6: back theaters in a major way, which you know, I'm

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00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:47,360
Speaker 6: not going to solve, but it can make some Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Finally, if you could time travel onto the set of

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00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:54,720
Speaker 3: Jerry Maguire before its release and you could give young

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Speaker 3: Jonathan Lipnikki any piece of advice, what piece of advice

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Speaker 3: would you of your young self?

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Speaker 6: That's a good question. Yeah, I would say that, you know,

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00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:16,800
Speaker 6: live in the moment and just know that whatever people

1113
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 6: say and whatever's out there and whatever attention you get,

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00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:22,879
Speaker 6: both positive and negative, it doesn't matter. It matters your

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00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:27,520
Speaker 6: own belief in yourself and being a good person, and

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00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 6: continue to try to be the best person you can

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00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:33,920
Speaker 6: be and not letting that outside noise affect you negatively.

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Speaker 6: I think that would be it because for me, it's

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Speaker 6: like I may have not had any you know, public struggles,

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Speaker 6: and people go well adjusted in this and that or like,

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Speaker 6: you know, people tell me, oh, you're like, you know,

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00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:46,960
Speaker 6: you grew up normal. To the fact is everybody has

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Speaker 6: their struggles, and I never can put judgment on the

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Speaker 6: struggles I see other young actors go through, and and

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Speaker 6: I want everybody to be able to do what they

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Speaker 6: love and not come out on it, you know, in

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Speaker 6: a really bad way. But I would tell myself it

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Speaker 6: would have saved me a lot of if I just

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Speaker 6: maybe have that encouragement to you know, it's one encouragement

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Speaker 6: from your parents, but to just if I knew that

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00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 6: within myself really intimately that that it didn't matter what

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Speaker 6: other people thought about me, I think I wouldn't save

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Speaker 6: myself a lot of pain.

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Speaker 3: So smart. Thank you so much for being here with us, Jonathan.

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Speaker 3: It was really good to talk to you. Always always see.

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Speaker 4: Bye bye writer.

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Speaker 3: Did you guys work together on your podcast?

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Speaker 6: No?

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Speaker 2: He he was in my play for a second. He

1140
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:36,520
Speaker 2: ended up getting another job and had to drop out,

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00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:40,400
Speaker 2: so we only got one rehearsal together. Oh wow, but

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00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:44,959
Speaker 2: he yeah, he auditioned for my play and we cast

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00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:48,640
Speaker 2: him in the starring role. And then so yeah, it's

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Speaker 2: trying to think how many. I just remember one like

1145
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:54,600
Speaker 2: four hour rehearsal, but we might have also done a

1146
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 2: reading together, table read. But you know, with a play,

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00:55:57,560 --> 00:55:59,280
Speaker 2: it's like it happens all the time with like multiple

1148
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:01,279
Speaker 2: people that kept dropping out because it's like, you know,

1149
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:04,200
Speaker 2: no one's making money off the play, so if they

1150
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:06,359
Speaker 2: get a real job, job like a TV show or whatever.

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00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 2: And I think he booked a reoccurring on something, so

1152
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:10,000
Speaker 2: he had to bow up. But we had a great

1153
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 2: rehearsal together, and you know, it was just he really

1154
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 2: liked the play and it was a great role for

1155
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:18,319
Speaker 2: him and it didn't work out, but it was fun

1156
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:18,839
Speaker 2: to work with him.

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Speaker 1: And then yeah, I mean he's part of that.

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Speaker 2: Like the play that he referenced, Lost Girls, is by

1159
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:27,560
Speaker 2: this amazing playwright, screenwriter, actor named John Polano and part

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Speaker 2: of the whole Rogue Machine theater. It's like pretty much

1161
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:32,600
Speaker 2: the best theater company in LA They've just they're so

1162
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:35,920
Speaker 2: great everything I've ever seen there, and John's an amazing playwright.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, he was part of that whole crowd.

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00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 2: And you know a great actor and it was really

1165
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 2: too bad it didn't work out. But we've we've we've

1166
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:45,359
Speaker 2: stayed in touch. And then I ran into him at

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00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:47,640
Speaker 2: south By Southwest last year and got the update on

1168
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:50,719
Speaker 2: the whole Oklahoma thing, which is so cool, Like, I

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00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:51,520
Speaker 2: just love that he did.

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Speaker 4: That sounds like something you would have done.

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00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:55,320
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, totally like if I didn't have family.

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00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:56,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, my god, Yeah.

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00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:59,360
Speaker 2: Just pick a city and get the heck out, especially

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Speaker 2: in the age of like, you know, zoom meetings.

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Speaker 1: You know, the fact that you don't like I would

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Speaker 1: always say, like.

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Speaker 2: Well, we have to be in la I mean, even

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Speaker 2: even when I stopped acting, the idea of just meetings

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00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 2: like you just want to know people and keeping you

1180
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:15,040
Speaker 2: But nowadays every meeting is online and say there's like

1181
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 2: a social factor, but it's it's you know, I don't know,

1182
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:19,080
Speaker 2: it's yeah, it's interesting.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, he's just such a solid guy.

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00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 2: He's always been and it's interesting even like, you know,

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Speaker 2: having hung out with him when we did the play

1186
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:30,280
Speaker 2: was five years ago, six years, five years ago. He's

1187
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:33,200
Speaker 2: he's gotten more mature in the last five years. You know,

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00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 2: like even just talking to him now, I'm like, wow,

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00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:38,120
Speaker 2: you're you've gotten stronger and like because he was he's

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00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:42,640
Speaker 2: always been like the most committed, hard working and earnest guy.

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00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:45,920
Speaker 2: He's like a very earnest person. But he's gotten more

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00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:47,800
Speaker 2: confident in the last five years. And that's really cool

1193
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:50,160
Speaker 2: to see. I'm like, and I'm probably because of moving

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00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:50,720
Speaker 2: to Oklahoma.

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Speaker 4: I bet you then martial arts, I'm telling you.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the guy has been ripped since he was

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Speaker 1: like fifteen, I.

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Speaker 2: Remember so, but no, I mean, I just feel like

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Speaker 2: he he's more comfortable in his own skin right now,

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00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:04,320
Speaker 2: Like just talking to him now, I'm like, dude, you've grown,

1201
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:08,520
Speaker 2: like you know, because I don't know, like it's it's

1202
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:11,560
Speaker 2: I'm so glad that he has taken ownership of his

1203
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 2: like his his career in the sense that he's going

1204
00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:17,680
Speaker 2: to enjoy the process, you know what I mean. Like

1205
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:21,120
Speaker 2: he's not he's not looking for like the starring role

1206
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:22,280
Speaker 2: in a huge movie.

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Speaker 1: All the time.

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00:58:22,560 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 2: He's like, I'm just going to take what I can

1209
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:26,040
Speaker 2: get and what I like to do and do it

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00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:29,160
Speaker 2: and like that's so healthy, you know, And I feel like, yeah,

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00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:31,480
Speaker 2: like I know, in my twenties, like all I wanted

1212
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:33,680
Speaker 2: was to keep having the kind of success I had

1213
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:35,760
Speaker 2: had on Boy Meet's World and Kevin Fever and like,

1214
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:38,160
Speaker 2: why isn't this happening? And I'm sure he went through

1215
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:40,040
Speaker 2: a version of that because he went from the peak

1216
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:43,680
Speaker 2: of like movie stardom to you know, you're just another

1217
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:48,600
Speaker 2: another guy auditioning and like that shouldn't be a downfall,

1218
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:51,400
Speaker 2: but it feels like a downfall because just auditioning is great,

1219
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:54,240
Speaker 2: like just being a working actor is a phenomenal job

1220
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:55,600
Speaker 2: if you can pull it off and if you can

1221
00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:58,800
Speaker 2: do it, but if you have the early success, it

1222
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:02,480
Speaker 2: feels like a downngrad And that personal feeling of downgrading

1223
00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 2: is really hard to get over. And it's not so

1224
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:06,840
Speaker 2: much what the public thinks of you, because you can

1225
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:07,640
Speaker 2: get over that quicker.

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Speaker 1: It's what the industry thinks of you.

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00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:10,840
Speaker 2: It's when you go to an audition or when you

1228
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:13,320
Speaker 2: meet with producers and they don't take you seriously because

1229
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:16,240
Speaker 2: they see you as like, well, you didn't succeed, you

1230
00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:18,200
Speaker 2: didn't continue your career the same way, so you must

1231
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:20,360
Speaker 2: there must be something wrong with you, or here must

1232
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:22,760
Speaker 2: not be talented. And the truth is, no one knows

1233
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:25,439
Speaker 2: what talent is. It's very hard to know what makes

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00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:26,880
Speaker 2: a good actor a bad actor.

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Speaker 1: Most of the time it's good for a role or

1236
00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:29,400
Speaker 1: bad for a role.

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00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:32,080
Speaker 2: Like, if you're showing up and you're committed to your craft,

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00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:34,320
Speaker 2: you'll get a job eventually. You can stick with it,

1239
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:37,920
Speaker 2: you know. But yeah, he's man, He's just he's a

1240
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:40,320
Speaker 2: really good guy. I wish him all the best in

1241
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:43,960
Speaker 2: terms of, like, you know, kind of finding that happiness

1242
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:44,560
Speaker 2: that he's found.

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