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Speaker 1: dot com. Good morning, everybody, Happy Thursday. I have an

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Speaker 1: amazing show for everybody today. What do we have, Crystal?

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Speaker 3: Indeed we do.

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Speaker 2: First we are asking the question, is the AI bubble popping?

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Speaker 2: I guess is there an AI bubble and it's topping?

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Speaker 2: I think the bubble part is pretty.

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Speaker 1: Definitive, yes, But the popping is the question. The question,

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Speaker 1: but there are some very interesting signs. Just as a

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Speaker 1: lot we're going to.

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Speaker 2: Dig into that very important topic. We are also going

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Speaker 2: to take a look at bb sat down with the

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Speaker 2: gentleman of triggernometry, so producer Griffin hold a couple clips

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Speaker 2: for us to react to. This all comes as the

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Speaker 2: invasion of Gaza City has begun. Tim Dillon is sounding

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Speaker 2: off on the DC National Guard situation. Had some protests

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Speaker 3: Will take a look at that.

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Speaker 2: We also have Megan Kelly sitting down with Marjorie Taylor

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Speaker 2: Green some interesting comments and revelations there. Sager has an

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Speaker 2: update for us on that Israeli alleged pedophile who was

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Speaker 2: able to fly out of the country, digging into exactly

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Speaker 2: how that unfolded and what is going to happen next.

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Speaker 2: He also has some thoughts about this new war on

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Speaker 2: property taxes. Well, I hope you'll join me, because I

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Speaker 2: will join you. But I just want to give you credit.

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Speaker 2: This is your your thing.

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Speaker 1: If I had the time to do the monologue, I

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Speaker 1: would have. But I have been just going down. I've

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Speaker 1: had the baby in one arm and property tax chat

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Speaker 1: ept in the other, and I have just been you.

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Speaker 1: I'm getting more radicalized by the day, Boomers. I'm already

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Speaker 1: going to warn you if you watch this segment, it's

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Speaker 1: going to piss you off. I don't care. I don't care.

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Speaker 1: I'm doing this for the what.

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Speaker 3: Direction I'm here describe your radicalization?

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Speaker 1: Oh, I'm much more in favor of the young. Like

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Speaker 1: I mean, we are living in a country which has

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Speaker 1: socialism for the old and rugged individualism for the young.

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Speaker 1: So if we're going to have anything, it should be flipped.

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Speaker 1: If I think most people would.

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Speaker 3: I don't even think it's rugged individualism for young. It's

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Speaker 3: like the deck is stackedical.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, I agree. No, I mean it's not

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Speaker 1: even like rugged individualism now at this point, it's actually

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Speaker 1: the opposite, where the boomers are using their oppressive political power,

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Speaker 1: tax status, and wealth to literally oppress the lower classes

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Speaker 1: to force us to pay for their dialysis. So I will,

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Speaker 3: With running running on getting rid of the property.

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Speaker 1: He is and this is, this is entirely driven by seniors.

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Speaker 1: So anyway, I'll go out one.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and I'm going to take a look at the

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Speaker 2: a wild interview with this lady with Ross Dalfat who

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Speaker 2: do this like embryo selection and very dystopian interview and

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Speaker 2: on there, So I'll dig into all of that before

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Speaker 2: we do. Though, thank you so much for those of

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Speaker 3: So you do get some metafhits for just signing out.

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Speaker 1: to learn. And when I break down this story, it's nuts,

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Speaker 2: Great from joints dot com if you can sign up

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Speaker 2: and help us out. Sager, what are we looking at

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Speaker 2: with AI?

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Speaker 1: We're looking at the AI bubble and potential signs of popping.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is one of those where everybody's predicted

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Speaker 1: And there are some signs that happened just yesterday. Let's

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Speaker 1: This is what people need to always remember. With the

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Speaker 1: and most of it is just about eliminating like very

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Speaker 1: So I mean, look, that's great. I mean that definitely

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Speaker 1: like at this point we've been living in this environment

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Speaker 3: Sure the startups that will succeed.

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Speaker 2: That's wild and let all of this fly. And there

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Speaker 2: were a lot of internal concerns. I suspect some of

439
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Speaker 2: these leaks probably came from internally people like what the

440
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Speaker 2: fuck is going on here? And so, yeah, it really

441
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Speaker 2: was Zuckerberg. And now I think that they've you know,

442
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Speaker 2: tried to rain some things in. But when I saw

443
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Speaker 2: the headline, I thought it would be sort of like borderline.

444
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Speaker 2: It's not or it's really really overt, and so, you know,

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Speaker 2: I mean, I just think about too.

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Speaker 3: Obviously, I'm a mom.

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Speaker 2: I got three kids, you know, one of them is

448
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Speaker 2: a preteen, one of them is seventeen years old.

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Speaker 3: I've got a little girl's aide.

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Speaker 2: And kids also get they have a harder time distinguishing

451
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Speaker 2: between like this is a real person and this is

452
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Speaker 2: you know, this is a YouTuber who I'm not gonna

453
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Speaker 2: have a relationship, or this is this is some sort

454
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Speaker 2: of tech or this.

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Speaker 3: Is like a cartoon character.

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Speaker 2: And so also just thinking about what the formation of

457
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Speaker 2: these relationships are going to mean for kids, even putting

458
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Speaker 2: aside the sexual part, like what that's going to do

459
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Speaker 2: to kids. I don't think anyone knows. I don't think

460
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Speaker 2: anyone's thinking it through. We're just using them as like

461
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Speaker 2: guinea pigs. Well, let's just turn it loose.

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Speaker 1: It's a good point you make about children. And if

463
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Speaker 1: you think about when kids go to Disney, not that

464
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Speaker 1: my kid will go to Disney. I have made the bloodo.

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Speaker 1: She'll probably make me break it, but at least for now,

466
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Speaker 1: that's the blow. And they think the characters are real,

467
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Speaker 1: you know, they Maeke Goofy and they're like, oh my god,

468
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Speaker 1: it's Goofy. Well now imagine if you could chat with Goofy.

469
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Speaker 1: Sounds cute until it's not cute, right, And so just

470
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Speaker 1: take that to its logical conclusion, and that's already where

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Speaker 1: we are.

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Speaker 4: Man.

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Speaker 1: I just saw some good news though. Jonathan Height's book

474
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Speaker 1: The Anxious Generation number step seventy three weeks on the

475
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Speaker 1: list at number one for New York Times Bestseller. So

476
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Speaker 1: a lot of parents are still they're waking up and

477
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Speaker 1: they're fighting back. So please, you know, if you can

478
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Speaker 1: you're a parent out there, you know you definitely aren't,

479
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Speaker 1: but read the book. It will give you some good guidelines.

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Speaker 1: If every public policy, every public school should be it

481
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Speaker 1: should be required reading. His phone free school idea is

482
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Speaker 1: so so important, And if you're involved in your local

483
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Speaker 1: politics at all, you got to push the school district

484
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Speaker 1: to go for it. It's vital vital.

485
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Speaker 2: And his parents you got to be on top of

486
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Speaker 2: what you're there are already and watching and.

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Speaker 1: I put the damn TV on. It's like a magnet

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Speaker 1: for the I was like, oh my god. I mean,

489
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Speaker 1: you know, I guess I grew up in the nineties.

490
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Speaker 1: It's probably the same way. But it just shows you

491
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Speaker 1: the power of the screen on a developing brain. For

492
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Speaker 1: someone who's his only word is go wow, Like that

493
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Speaker 1: just shows what you're really up against. All right, let's

494
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Speaker 1: get to the next part.

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Speaker 2: All right, So, fresh off his blockbuster appearance with the

496
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Speaker 2: NLK Boys, Benjamin Atna, who has now joined the Gentleman

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Speaker 2: of Triggernometry, for an appearance. Admittedly, I haven't had a chance.

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Speaker 2: This came out last night. I haven't had a chance

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Speaker 2: to watch the whole thing. Producer Griffin pulled a couple

500
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Speaker 2: of clips that he thought were interesting. Let's go ahead

501
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Speaker 2: and take a listen to this first one. This is

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Speaker 2: Constantine saying, based listen, I don't think there's any peace

503
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Speaker 2: possible with these people in Gaza because they are quote

504
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Speaker 2: unquote Jew haters.

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Speaker 5: Let's take a listen, and then you're going to say,

506
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Speaker 5: and then we need a civilian government in Gaza that's

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Speaker 5: not hostile to Israel. And that's why you lose me,

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Speaker 5: Prime Minister, because I look at the pole opinion polls,

509
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Speaker 5: I look at the people celebrating October the seventh in Gaza.

510
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Speaker 5: I look at the fact that thousands of civilians crossed

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Speaker 5: into Israel on October the seventh to commit the atrocities

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Speaker 5: that were committed, And I go, these people hate you,

513
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Speaker 5: they hate you, they hate Israel, and they hate Jews.

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Speaker 5: How are you going to have a peaceful coexistence with

515
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Speaker 5: those people, particularly given the fact that, as Francis mentioned earlier,

516
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Speaker 5: they have been very heavily radicalized, not only through the

517
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Speaker 5: education system, but through the fact that they've been on

518
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Speaker 5: the receiving end on Israel's war effort.

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Speaker 6: Well, I think what you're pointing out to is that

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Speaker 6: you need also a program of de radicalization. Now, has

521
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Speaker 6: that been done in in societies that have been conditioned

522
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Speaker 6: to hate their their adversaries. Yes, of course it's been

523
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Speaker 6: done in two places, prominently in Japan and in Germany,

524
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Speaker 6: but it's also been done in the Middle East. I mean,

525
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Speaker 6: there have been very noteworthy programs, successful programs of de

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Speaker 6: radicalization in some of the Gulf states which are actually

527
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Speaker 6: proving to be to break the you know, this prototype

528
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Speaker 6: of Arab societies that cannot seize the future. I'm not

529
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Speaker 6: saying they're model democracies, mind you, they're not, but there's

530
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Speaker 6: certainly they certainly want to seize modernity and not go

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Speaker 6: back to the savage and early medievalism.

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Speaker 2: Please tell me how Constantine is making that nan who

533
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Speaker 2: sound more moderate than how much?

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Speaker 3: And like, yeah, just the idea that okay, you know

535
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Speaker 3: these people hate you. Yeah, gee, I wonder why.

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Speaker 2: Maybe it's because they've been like occupied and being starved

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Speaker 2: and bombed to pieces for you know, and not even

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Speaker 2: just post October seven. But also, Sager, you can speak

539
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Speaker 2: to this. How many times to around history have we

540
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Speaker 2: seen bitter enemies. I was about to say, so hate

541
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Speaker 2: each other. And guess what when you're able to come

542
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Speaker 2: up with some sort of a peace deal and have

543
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Speaker 2: a coexistence, you know, that fades over time.

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Speaker 3: It with our own country.

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Speaker 2: You know, we were bitter enemies obviously went to word

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Speaker 2: Germany and Japan, and now these are some of our

547
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Speaker 2: closest allies.

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Speaker 1: I can see it inside of our own country north

549
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Speaker 1: and south. It took a long time to shake out.

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Speaker 3: That's exactly.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that is the Israeli line which drives

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Speaker 1: me more insane than any other, is we can't be

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Speaker 1: expected to live next to these people. No, actually you can.

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Speaker 1: If India has to live next to Pakistan, you can

555
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Speaker 1: do it too, all right. Yeah, they both have nuclear

556
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Speaker 1: weapons and mutually assured destruction. If Iran has to live

557
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Speaker 1: next to Saudi Arabia, then so can you. I could

558
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Speaker 1: go on for Northern Ireland, and I you know, I mean,

559
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Speaker 1: how many of these have we now lived through. They're

560
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Speaker 1: like they actually Israeli exception is that they want to

561
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Speaker 1: be the only nation in the history of the world

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Speaker 1: that actually is not required to live to the people

563
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Speaker 1: quote who hate them. Everybody else has to deal with it.

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Speaker 1: And in fact, one of the normal, like established things

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Speaker 1: post World War Two, which we're told for why we

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Speaker 1: have to support Ukraine and its war against Russia after

567
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Speaker 1: they invaded is oh, well we just simply can't allow,

568
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Speaker 1: you know, gangster states to do as they please in

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Speaker 1: their neighborhood based upon old reventist, revisionist history of pre

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Speaker 1: World War two. Like when Russia, when Putin starts talking

571
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Speaker 1: about Iven the Great and the Treaty of Breslatovsk, everybody

572
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Speaker 1: in the Western political establishment rolls their eyes. But when

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Speaker 1: these people talking about three thousand years ago, I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's the other thing. So which one's more legitimate seventeen

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Speaker 1: eighty nine of Crimea or three thousand years ago Judea

576
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Speaker 1: Samaria and these ancient biblical texts, you know, promise us

577
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Speaker 1: the land. That's they think that's legitimate. The Western political

578
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Speaker 1: establisher says that the latter is legitimate, but the former

579
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Speaker 1: is a violation of post World War two norms. No,

580
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Speaker 1: I mean, you know which one. And even if you

581
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Speaker 1: disregard all of that. I'm not a huge believer in

582
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Speaker 1: the so called Western liberal democratic order or anything, but

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Speaker 1: you can look from south. I think I can't think

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Speaker 1: of a continent where people have not been forced to quote,

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Speaker 1: live next to the people who hate them. That, yes,

586
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Speaker 1: it is simply a fact of life. Because the alternative

587
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Speaker 1: is basically the current is really strategy is mass displacement

588
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Speaker 1: and killing, mass murder. I mean, I guess that is

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Speaker 1: one which theoretically, you know, you could go down that

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Speaker 1: road again, you know, supposedly one of the norms after

591
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Speaker 1: World War One and World War Two was hey, actually

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Speaker 1: we don't allow that stuff to kind of happen, or

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Speaker 1: at the very least we're not going to support it. Well,

594
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Speaker 1: you know, again we've flipped it on its head. So

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Speaker 1: the premise of that is preposterous, and especially for somebody

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Speaker 1: from the UK who's one of the more recent western

597
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Speaker 1: nations which quite literally had to force you know, this

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Speaker 1: entire the troubles and all of that. I mean that

599
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Speaker 1: happened in my parents' lifetime. If you even think about that,

600
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Speaker 1: it was considered an intractable conflict literally from what when

601
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Speaker 1: was the first War of Irish independence I'm thinking, I

602
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Speaker 1: mean hundreds of years, I don't even know the date

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Speaker 1: off the top of my head, all the way to

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Speaker 1: nineteen nineteen, and then post World War two and separation,

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Speaker 1: the Northern Irish question, the troubles, the border, you know,

606
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Speaker 1: all the way up to the e These are even

607
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Speaker 1: today very sensitive issues, you know, after Brexit about the

608
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Speaker 1: movement between the two borders. So again, you can't sit

609
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Speaker 1: and tell me that you can't be expected. You can.

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Speaker 1: Actually you can, yeah, and you will, you know, because

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Speaker 1: we should fork you too.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: The better question is how you know Palestinians after this

614
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Speaker 2: genocide of them could be expected to live next to

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Speaker 2: the Israelis.

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Speaker 1: But that's something we should expect of them too. We're like, listen, no,

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Speaker 1: they got a shit deal, but you have to live here.

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Speaker 3: That's exactly right.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's the nature, you know, of humanity, that's

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Speaker 2: the nature of being able to have some sort of

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Speaker 2: an agreement. And yes, over time, not to say that

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Speaker 2: there won't be continue to be tensions as there are

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Speaker 2: you know in Ireland and Northern Ireland, like there continue

624
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Speaker 2: to be tensions. But the idea that, oh no, you

625
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Speaker 2: couldn't possibly live next to these is just preposterous and

626
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Speaker 2: historically illiterate. There was another interesting section where the other host,

627
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Speaker 2: Francis is pressing Nan Yahu a bid on some of

628
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Speaker 2: the comments of you know, the Smotridges and the bend Viers.

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Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and take a listen to how that

630
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Speaker 2: went down.

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Speaker 7: There are critics of yours prime minister who will say, well,

632
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Speaker 7: part of the reason that israelis losing the propaganda war

633
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Speaker 7: is when you have ministers like Schmatric making in sentry

634
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Speaker 7: or inflammatory comments and it doesn't seem to be any

635
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Speaker 7: particular pushback from your government to this. They go, well,

636
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Speaker 7: what does what does a prime minister really believe?

637
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Speaker 6: Well, what happens what I believe, I say. In a

638
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Speaker 6: parliamentary system, people are free to say. Sometimes they say

639
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Speaker 6: things they don't quite mean. It happens all the time.

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Speaker 6: You have a very active fringe.

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Speaker 5: Primister, forgive me, but these aren't parliamentaris. These are people

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Speaker 5: who are part of your government and their remain part

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Speaker 5: of your government. After they say these things that too

644
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Speaker 5: many people, even your friends, sound a little bit like

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Speaker 5: ethnic cleansing is being discussed.

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Speaker 6: Well, we're not discussing ethnic cleansing. And to the extent

647
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Speaker 6: that we have these conversations around the cabinet, the security cabinet,

648
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Speaker 6: that is actually not being discussed by these people.

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Speaker 1: But Prime Minister, I just interrupt.

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Speaker 7: When you have your finance minister making a speech and

651
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Speaker 7: talking about occupying Gaza and it doesn't seem to be

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Speaker 7: any pushback within the government. People quite rightly, in my opinion,

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Speaker 7: would say, well, surely, aren't you condoning that type of rhetoric. No,

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Speaker 7: and that is it's exacerbating Israel's pr property.

655
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Speaker 6: I disagree completely when somebody says, and I'm asked, is

656
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Speaker 6: that your policy? And I said, no, it's not by policy.

657
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Speaker 6: I don't intend to build the settlements or communities in

658
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Speaker 6: Gaza and not Israeli ones. I want a non Israeli

659
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Speaker 6: civilian governance after that that is committed to living in

660
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Speaker 6: peace with us.

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Speaker 2: It is so unbelievably dishonest at this point to still

662
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Speaker 2: pretend like that's not your policy and like you candemn it,

663
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Speaker 2: you have nothing to do with it. But you also

664
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Speaker 2: got to give me credit because I called that this

665
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Speaker 2: defactly how he question democracy. Yes, I have a fringe

666
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 2: inflammatory rhetoric.

667
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 3: Blah blah blah.

668
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Speaker 1: I was like, how is he going to square that?

669
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Speaker 1: Because it's true. But I had not. I didn't put

670
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Speaker 1: myself in the mind of BB to be like, yes,

671
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 1: we have free speech, we have a vibrant society where

672
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Speaker 1: we allow such things. But I mean, to Francis's credit,

673
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 1: he was like, no, this isn't it would be like

674
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 1: somebody else using Ilhan Omar's statements. I mean, yeah, you

675
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 1: could say that be like, look, we have four un

676
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Speaker 1: and thirty five more members of Congress, one of them

677
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Speaker 1: Marjorie Taylor Green or Illhan. They say some crazy shit

678
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 1: sometimes whatever, But that would is not the same whenever

679
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 1: those people are actually in power, members of the government,

680
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Speaker 1: well members.

681
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Speaker 3: When the government policy reflects the.

682
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 1: And their government policy, yeah, reflects their desire to the

683
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 1: point where they're handing out weapons in the West Bank

684
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 1: and or US dollars which they then used to prop

685
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 1: up their expansionist regime.

686
00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 3: Yeah.

687
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 1: That's very different than oh, we have free speech. Yeah,

688
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 1: this is the thing about Baby, he's the master. It's

689
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 1: not like he has always in his perfect Philadelphia born English,

690
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 1: you know, he understands which parts are distasteful, you know,

691
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 1: to the US public, and so in English he does

692
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 1: not endorse any of the stuff. But again, Google, in

693
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 1: the age of Google Translate and AI if I will,

694
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 1: you can easily dub the stuff he says in Hebrew.

695
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 1: And it's the same stuff, that's right. That's the stuff

696
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 1: that drives me crazy too.

697
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's part of what I think the framing

698
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Speaker 2: of the questions I have all kinds of issues with

699
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Speaker 2: the framing the question. First of all, the idea that

700
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Speaker 2: Israel just has a pr problem is just disgusting gensides.

701
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Speaker 1: We're gonna get to that with Megan. She always said

702
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 1: that too. She's like, the Palestinians are masters prop again.

703
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 2: And that you know, Oh, the problem is just this

704
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 2: incendiary rhetoric, And why don't you do more to condemn

705
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 2: this incendiary rhetoric. Well, because he supports it, because he

706
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,959
Speaker 2: is the one implementing and pushing forward the policy that

707
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 2: they want to see. I mean, we're talking right now

708
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 2: as Gaza City is being invaded. You had another security

709
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 2: minister who said that Gaza City itself should be exactly

710
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 2: like Rafa, which we turned into a city of ruins. Like, again,

711
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 2: this is not some random fringe character. These are people

712
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 2: in the security cabinet who have power. We also can

713
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 2: talk about the moving forward of a critical number of

714
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:30,319
Speaker 2: settlements that will completely destroy the idea that there could

715
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,839
Speaker 2: ever be a two state solution. So to frame this

716
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 2: as like a rhetoric or a messaging issue at this

717
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 2: point is frankly disgusting, But I mean it is at

718
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 2: least he pushed him on something you know, certainly was.

719
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Speaker 1: More prepared to get the guy prepared more than milk boys.

720
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Speaker 2: It's more prepared than the milk boys. Right, they did

721
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 2: set the bar like in the basement, but they were

722
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 2: more prepared by the note boys. But I don't know, Soccer,

723
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 2: what can you get out of these type of interviews

724
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:59,280
Speaker 2: with Netanyahu? You know, because we know we can predict

725
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 2: his answers before he gives him. The American Western media

726
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 2: is full of Israeli a husbar or propaganda. We know

727
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,319
Speaker 2: exactly what their line is all the time because we

728
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,319
Speaker 2: get it from every single news outlet. So I'm not

729
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:16,319
Speaker 2: sure what you really get new out of hearing Netan

730
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:20,359
Speaker 2: Yahoo for the thousand thousandth time. You know, gaslightis about

731
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 2: what's really going on and what his position really and

732
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 2: truly is.

733
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Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I still think it is

734
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:30,359
Speaker 1: worth it. It would there's a lot of issues with

735
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 1: this in general. Part of the reason you know that

736
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 1: Netanya who agrees, is because Constantine has just been so

737
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 1: massively pro Israelis displayed, you know in his question. At

738
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Speaker 1: the same time, getting people on the record is good

739
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 1: and actually asking them even about the word ethnic cleansing

740
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 1: is good because what did he do. He denied ethnic cleansing.

741
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:51,399
Speaker 1: That's not even a question that has happened currently from

742
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Speaker 1: the Western media and or inside of Israeli media, because

743
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 1: they're not going to push it because frankly a lot

744
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 1: of them support it, and so at the very least,

745
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 1: like you get it for the historical record, you're not

746
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 1: going to change policy. That's a fantasy for most journalists.

747
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 1: But you know, challenging actually getting to the heart of it.

748
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 1: I think he could have done a better job, but

749
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 1: he did better than a lot of other people. So

750
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 1: you got to give credit where it is due. You

751
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 1: ask the question. Look, I mean, nobody's going to sit

752
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 1: there and be like you're a war criminal and be like,

753
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,360
Speaker 1: you know what, You're right, I am a war criminal.

754
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 1: That's the fantasy. But at the end of the day,

755
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:23,360
Speaker 1: getting the reaction, at the very least, pressing on the

756
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 1: security issue, it can make an impact. They could have

757
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Speaker 1: made more. I mean, if they were better prepared, they

758
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 1: could have specifically gone through the actual because the challenge

759
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:35,240
Speaker 1: of the question is the premise was that it's Bibe's

760
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:38,800
Speaker 1: government and not bb himself, when it's like no, actually,

761
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Speaker 1: I mean, even if you compare his original answer on

762
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 1: quote civilian government and occupation. It's like, your government is

763
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 1: currently engaged in a plan to force other nations to

764
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Speaker 1: accept Palestinians. How is that not eccedent cleansing?

765
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Speaker 6: Right?

766
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 1: And it'd be like, that's something you are doing.

767
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Speaker 2: And even if you just want to stay in the

768
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 2: lane of rhetoric, pull up Bebe's own car totally AMLAC

769
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Speaker 2: and what are the children of the Darkness and all

770
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 2: this other crap that he's said. I mean, you can

771
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 2: pull up direct statements from him that it's like, no,

772
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 2: you're not really any You may couch it more for

773
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 2: you know, English Western media, but you are on board.

774
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 2: You sound very similar to how all of these guys sound.

775
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 2: And his life mission has been to make sure that

776
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 2: there is no Palestinian state. Let's go and get to

777
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 2: the very latest with regard to what is going on.

778
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 2: Let's put this image up on the screen just so

779
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 2: I already knows what we're talking about with Gaza City here.

780
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 2: So this is the before and after. Already Gaza City is,

781
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 2: you know, so much of it is destroyed and just

782
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:46,439
Speaker 2: turned into rubble and unlivable by any reasonable standard. Nevertheless,

783
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 2: the invasion of Gaza. The reinvasion of Gaza City has begun.

784
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,760
Speaker 2: The latest that I saw was that the Israeli army

785
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:58,399
Speaker 2: had reached the outskirts of Gaza City, which of course

786
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:01,359
Speaker 2: is the largest city, is the Gaza Strip. You know,

787
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 2: many hundreds of that we don't know exactly how many,

788
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 2: but many hundreds of thousands of people have returned now

789
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 2: to Gaza City. You'll remember the way that this, their

790
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 2: initial invasion occurred, sort of went from north to south,

791
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 2: and people kept getting pushed further and further and further

792
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,240
Speaker 2: south until they were in Rafa. All eyes were on Rafa,

793
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:21,400
Speaker 2: and then Rafa was utterly and completely destroyed. Now you have,

794
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:24,400
Speaker 2: as I said before, high level security minister in the

795
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 2: Security Cabinet saying, hey, we want to do to Gaza

796
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 2: City what we did to Rafa. Palestinians are trying to

797
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 2: decide whether or not we can put the next elblement

798
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 2: before up on the screen. Guys as well, Palestinians, you're

799
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:40,760
Speaker 2: trying to decide whether they're going to move yet again,

800
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 2: you know, be displaced yet again. Many of them have

801
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 2: had to relocate some five, six, seven, eight different times.

802
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 2: They are utterly exhausted, They have little resources in terms

803
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:54,839
Speaker 2: of food or money or anything else.

804
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:58,280
Speaker 3: Most of the structures in the entire.

805
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 2: Gaza Strip, not just in Gaza City, have been destroyed.

806
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 2: So it's not like you can go and like rent

807
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 2: an apartment. Everything is bombed to pieces. In fact, there's

808
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:09,879
Speaker 2: a drop site did a piece on the Dystopian real

809
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 2: estate market that has sprung up where people will rent

810
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:16,319
Speaker 2: even something that has been bombed, you know, and is

811
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 2: effectively like a shell if it even has any sort

812
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 2: of roof that is intact. That's what we're talking about. So,

813
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 2: you know, I remember Senator slot Kin told us that

814
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 2: the the sort of conventional military attack had finished. That

815
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 2: is very much not the case. It is escalating. There

816
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 2: are already horrific images which are coming out, and so

817
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, I think this dovetails well with

818
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 2: the with the interview that was done here by the

819
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 2: guys over at Trigonometry, where not Nyahu's trying. Oh no,

820
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 2: ethnic cleansing. I would never we don't want to occupy

821
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 2: blah blah blah. And meanwhile, this is what's actually unfolding.

822
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Speaker 3: In the real world.

823
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:57,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it is crazy, especially because we were saying

824
00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:58,800
Speaker 1: you know, we don't even have a lot of images

825
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:00,799
Speaker 1: from it, and there's there's kind of a reason why

826
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Speaker 1: a lot of it is because most of these journalists

827
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Speaker 1: are dead. That was the unfortunately, that really was the impetus.

828
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 1: It appears behind some of these killings. That's what Ryan was.

829
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Speaker 2: That's why they murdered that whole out to Zerra crew

830
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 2: because they were planning to stay and cover the invasion

831
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 2: reinvasion of Gaza City and now they can't because they're dead.

832
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, in continuing with the expansion on

833
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 1: this the settlement question, it is continued by the way,

834
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Speaker 1: We're going to have a very interesting interview hopefully soon.

835
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Speaker 1: But there was a man who was a top press

836
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Speaker 1: officer at the State Department who was just fired because

837
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Speaker 1: he wanted to release a statement from the United States

838
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 1: expressing condolences about the loss of life for journalists in Gaza,

839
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Speaker 1: and he was fired for that. Now keep in mind

840
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:47,840
Speaker 1: not only was he fired just for that, but also

841
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 1: because he pushed back and said that the United States

842
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 1: State Department should not refer to the West Bank and

843
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:57,319
Speaker 1: Gaza as Judea and Samaria. And it appears that he

844
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 1: was knifed by Mike Huckabee's most senior aide, David Milstein.

845
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 1: And so yeah, hopefully we're gonna have an interview with

846
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 1: this gentleman soon. But I just want people to see

847
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 1: too about like that settlement question and about the adoption

848
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 1: of their own language and rhetoric here in our government

849
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:16,240
Speaker 1: is now basically open for you know, it's open for business.

850
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:18,799
Speaker 1: That's has been i know, from a policy level. But look,

851
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:21,800
Speaker 1: this stuff still does matter. How about US government refers

852
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 1: to the West Bank as Judaea, you know, in West

853
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:26,799
Speaker 1: Bank gods Juday and Samaria are not That stuff matters. Yes,

854
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 1: the ambassador says it, But when Maine State and the

855
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 1: Secretary of State sells stuff like that, that's a declaration

856
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:32,959
Speaker 1: of policy at a government level.

857
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:35,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right. And it seems like Milstein has.

858
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 2: Been an important, massive force behind the scenes, and he

859
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 2: shouldn't be. He's just like, you know, an aid to

860
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:45,360
Speaker 2: the ambassador to Israel, but he is really taking control

861
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 2: of a lot of the Israel policy. And he is

862
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:51,879
Speaker 2: extremely hard line. And you know, to your point about like, yes,

863
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 2: the US obviously under bipartisan president presidence, has always been

864
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 2: very pro Israel. No one is denying that but there

865
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 2: used to be the official line was that we support

866
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 2: a two state solution and we are opposed to the

867
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 2: illegal settlements. That's all out the window at this point.

868
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Speaker 2: You know, they don't even pretend. There's not even a pretense.

869
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:14,760
Speaker 2: And in fact, Ambassador of Mi Kakabee went on Israel's

870
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:17,400
Speaker 2: army radio drop site picked this up and said that

871
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 2: you know this new settlement plan which is incredibly significant.

872
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 3: It's called E one. It's east of Jerusalem.

873
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:28,359
Speaker 2: The UN has long said for years that moving forward

874
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 2: with construction of this particular settlement would quote drive a

875
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 2: stake through the heart of a two state solution because

876
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 2: the way that it severs Palestinian communities in the West Bank.

877
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 2: In any case, Mike Kakabee went on Israel's army radio

878
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:46,320
Speaker 2: and said that Washington does not oppose that plan.

879
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:47,839
Speaker 3: Let's go ahead and take a listen to a little

880
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 3: of that.

881
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 8: It is not a violation of a law for Israelis

882
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:56,439
Speaker 8: to live in the land, and to say that they

883
00:42:56,520 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 8: can't would be rather bizarre to say that anyone else

884
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 8: could live in regions but Israelis could not. Whether or

885
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 8: not there should be a massive development and E one

886
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 8: is a decision for the government of Israel to make

887
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 8: and so we would not try to evaluate the good

888
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:18,399
Speaker 8: of the bad of that.

889
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 2: So there you go there on board with it, no problem.

890
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 2: I mean, this is you know, Miraa Madelson presumably getting

891
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:27,319
Speaker 2: her money's worth from her massive investment. The minute that

892
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:29,799
Speaker 2: Huckabee was put in as ambassador. I mean, he is

893
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 2: a religious zealot when it comes to Israel. You know,

894
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 2: we knew that was an extraordinary significant development. And our

895
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:39,839
Speaker 2: friend Jasper talks about how the annexation of the West Bank,

896
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:43,360
Speaker 2: which was Miriam Maddelson's main priority with her investment in Trump,

897
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 2: with her campaign contribution to Trump, that was her main

898
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 2: goal and it is effectively accomplished. So this is, you know,

899
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:50,839
Speaker 2: this is what she got for her money.

900
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:53,959
Speaker 1: Effect No, you're right, And those settlements are the ones

901
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 1: that we've covered here extensively because they're the ones that

902
00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 1: historically were never pursued by any even right wing Israeli

903
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:04,240
Speaker 1: government because it would block the establishment of a Palestinian state.

904
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:07,440
Speaker 1: So that's what the symbolism of this is. And of

905
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:09,720
Speaker 1: course it was approved by one of those cabinet members

906
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 1: inside of BB So yeah, that's right, understands. Yeah, let's

907
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:15,319
Speaker 1: go put the next one up on the screen. Just

908
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 1: about the State Department. This one is important. So they

909
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:21,840
Speaker 1: say that the US State Department will now further number

910
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 1: of sanctions in response to the ICC's quote ongoing threat

911
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 1: to Americans and Israelis. So what they say is they

912
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 1: are designating several members of the ICC. Now why, it's

913
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 1: because quote, these individuals are foreign persons who are directly

914
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:41,800
Speaker 1: engaged in efforts to investigate, arrest, detain, or prosecute nationals

915
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:44,319
Speaker 1: of the United States or Israel without the consent of

916
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 1: their either nation. Now let's make it very clear. It's

917
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 1: about investigation, arrested, attention of Israeli officials. It has nothing

918
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 1: to do with American officials, and to the extent that

919
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:57,839
Speaker 1: it does, it's about support for Israel, just so we're

920
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:00,879
Speaker 1: all very clear. And of course, this this decision has

921
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 1: been hailed by the Israeli cabinet members and others, even

922
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 1: some ex cabinet members who ironically are not right wing

923
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 1: enough for baby. But still, you know, whatever under detention

924
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:13,959
Speaker 1: arrest warrant by the ICC, and it's I mean, look,

925
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 1: it's it's the classic case the full force of the

926
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:19,799
Speaker 1: US Empire being used to protect the Israeli government. You

927
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 1: can't make the shit up. It's like an anti Semitic conspiracy.

928
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, truly, And let's put jump forward to B

929
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 2: eight because I know Sager really enjoys this particular.

930
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 3: Element and dynamic.

931
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 2: You've got two hundred and twenty five new immigrants from

932
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 2: the US and Canada landing in Israel here, you know,

933
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 2: going to they won't renounce their US citizenship, but they

934
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 2: will become dual Israeli citizens here.

935
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:44,839
Speaker 1: So yeah, I just think you love this. Yeah, absolutely,

936
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 1: of course, very patriotic Americans who have made Alia. More

937
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 1: than one thousand immigrants quote have arrived from North America,

938
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 1: according to the Ministry of Alia and quote Integration in Israel.

939
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 1: Keep in mind that many of these people end up

940
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 1: becoming the most psychotic and settler regime like settlers who

941
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:05,360
Speaker 1: end up occupying some of the areas inside of the

942
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:07,799
Speaker 1: West Bank. There's that famous video of that guy from

943
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 1: Brooklyn berating a Palestinian woman and he's like, if I

944
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 1: don't steal your Houston, somebody else will steal it, you know.

945
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 1: I mean it's something I actually noticed when I visited

946
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 1: the Western Wall. And you know, before you get there

947
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 1: there's these people who greet you, and I was talking

948
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 1: to them and he's like, where are you from? And

949
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I'm from you know, Texas or whatever.

950
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:26,800
Speaker 1: He's like, oh, I'm from Boston. I was like, oh, okay,

951
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 1: I got it. I was like, do you live here.

952
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, I live here. I was like, oh,

953
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 1: all right, Well, you know, got it. So this is

954
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 1: common that he was an Orthodox Jew. So there you go.

955
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I told you. It's crazy to me. I looked

956
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:37,359
Speaker 3: it up.

957
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 2: Even my kid's dad is Jewish, and typically the you know,

958
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 2: it passes through, it's supposed to be the mom that's Jewish.

959
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:49,320
Speaker 2: But in some reform reform Judaism, then it could be either.

960
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 3: And sure enough, yeah they could.

961
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:53,760
Speaker 2: They could, they could move there, they could become Israeli citizens.

962
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 2: Palestinians aren't allowed to have rights there, but my kids,

963
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 2: who have no connection to it, they I mean, it's

964
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 2: just utterly, insanely preposterous. One more piece that I just

965
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 2: found interesting that I wanted to flag for everybody. This

966
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 2: again his dropsighte B seven. Let's put this up on

967
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 2: the screen. Apparently, this Palestinian businessman, Samar jalala Us, he's

968
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 2: claiming the US approached him to be the governor of Gaza.

969
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 2: They describe him as a little known Romala based businessman

970
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 2: and economist who's taken on various roles in the Palestinian

971
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 2: authority and as a cabinet secretary to the PF for

972
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 2: several months in late two thousand and five and two

973
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:36,400
Speaker 2: thousand and six. Anyway, he is alleging that he was

974
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 2: approached about, you know, being sort of installed as a

975
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 2: governor of Gaza. So I guess they have been doing

976
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:47,959
Speaker 2: some reach outs to find their their chalaby. He looks

977
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:51,279
Speaker 2: just like him, right, And he also he spent some

978
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 2: money on like a lobbyist here in DC, because you know,

979
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:56,239
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter what the Palestinian people want, it matters

980
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 2: who you can convince here in this town, apparently, of course,

981
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 2: to rule the.

982
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 1: This is classic if you have ever spent spent enough

983
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 1: time in Washington. The suit with the quarters hip is

984
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 1: a dead giveaway, all right. I mean, something is something

985
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:10,840
Speaker 1: is not right here, and it's it usually means somebody

986
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 1: with too much money and bad taste, which is of

987
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 1: course exactly it was well dominated here.

988
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 3: Just look at the White Terrible comedyation.

989
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 1: It's not a good not a good combo usually, and

990
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:25,320
Speaker 1: so yeah, we have our augmentality for what the future

991
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 1: may hold. We'll see.

992
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 2: All right, let's go and get to what's going on

993
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:33,800
Speaker 2: here in DC. So Tim Dillon has some thoughts about

994
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 2: what's going on here in DC and around the country.

995
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 3: Let's go ahead and take a listen.

996
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 9: You've already got the cops in the street that are

997
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:42,280
Speaker 9: I mean, they are not cops in the military.

998
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 1: They've already got the National Guard on the street.

999
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:48,399
Speaker 9: They already have all your information, DC, and now they

1000
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 9: just get to decide what is and isn't over the line.

1001
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:54,799
Speaker 9: That should scare everybody. You're fucking nuts, dude. If this

1002
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:59,839
Speaker 9: doesn't scare you, you're nuts. All these things in Alex

1003
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 9: you know, and I've had Alex on I like Alex,

1004
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:03,959
Speaker 9: but all these things at Alex Jones was like worried

1005
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:06,360
Speaker 9: about when I listen to him in the late nineties,

1006
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 9: early two thousands are coming to fruition and he'd you know,

1007
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 9: I don't know where he is on all of that stuff,

1008
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:14,919
Speaker 9: but like I know he's a big fan of Trump,

1009
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:17,320
Speaker 9: but like this is everything. Alex Jones always talked about

1010
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 9: military in the street, the FEMA camp, the tech company

1011
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 9: that monitors everything, the surveillance, this is all of that.

1012
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:28,959
Speaker 1: I mean, not to sound like a fucking.

1013
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:33,319
Speaker 9: Nut, this is everything a crackhead and I don't even

1014
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 9: me know crackhead like crack, but a guy smoking weed

1015
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:41,800
Speaker 9: in a room with a fucking black light, he'd be like, bro, Bro.

1016
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:44,959
Speaker 4: There's gonna be military in the street. They're gonna put

1017
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:50,359
Speaker 4: you in jail for fucking your fucking thoughts. Man, if

1018
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:54,800
Speaker 4: you just say them, bro, You're gonna be in fucking jail.

1019
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 4: There's gonna be a fucking company that monitors everything.

1020
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 1: You'd dube bruh like.

1021
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 9: This is literally the wet dream of every conspiracy theorist

1022
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:10,240
Speaker 9: that has ever lived, and it's happening now.

1023
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:12,360
Speaker 2: Making a lot of good points there, I mean, the

1024
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 2: Alix Jones colon in particular, it is so true that

1025
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:18,239
Speaker 2: all of like sort of the wildest theorizing about what

1026
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:20,440
Speaker 2: a government crackdown could look like, like a lot of

1027
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 2: it is unfolding before us. You know, you have the

1028
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 2: kidnapping of people for wrong thought, wrongthink on Israel, and

1029
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 2: the you know, the crackdown there was We're going to

1030
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 2: cover the fact that they're going to now screen everybody's

1031
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 2: social media before they come in the country for quote

1032
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 2: unquote anti Semitism, using the Department of Education and HHS

1033
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:40,400
Speaker 2: to make sure you're cracking down on that as well.

1034
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:45,960
Speaker 2: The National Guard, six different states National Guards here in

1035
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:46,360
Speaker 2: d C.

1036
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:48,920
Speaker 3: To like, you know, we actually put C four up

1037
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 3: on the screen.

1038
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:52,280
Speaker 2: You had an m wrap that t boned a civilian

1039
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 2: regular vehicle here in d C. It's something similar that

1040
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:57,279
Speaker 2: happened in La by the way, where you had I

1041
00:50:57,280 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 2: think it was ice agents and a regular vehicle that

1042
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 2: like t somebody as they were speeding around the city.

1043
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 3: Just absolutely dystobi.

1044
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 2: And then you add in like the Palanteer contract and

1045
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 2: what all of that is going to look like the

1046
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:12,480
Speaker 2: deportations with no deeprocess in a slave labor camp. And yeah,

1047
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 2: I mean Alex Jones's express concerns about a few things,

1048
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:17,839
Speaker 2: but you can imagine if this was being done by

1049
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 2: a by a Democrat, it would be complete hair on fire,

1050
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:26,239
Speaker 2: because it really is a lot of the conspiracy, theorizing

1051
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:30,360
Speaker 2: worst case scenario over the years just sort of playing

1052
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 2: out in front of us in real time.

1053
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 1: I think it's fair, And yeah, I mean it pains

1054
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 1: me to say it, but I do think it is

1055
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 1: fair and what it is, especially because if I think

1056
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 1: back to January sixth and the federal occupation of our city,

1057
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 1: which I thought was ridiculous. Yeah, we both we've lost

1058
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:46,839
Speaker 1: hundreds of millions of dollars. Yeah, And you know, it's

1059
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 1: very hard because on the one hand, I cannot stand

1060
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:56,959
Speaker 1: people talking about how oh DC is safe and it's great. No, sorry, ridiculous.

1061
00:51:57,000 --> 00:52:00,319
Speaker 1: Like the violent crime is still bad. Yes, it's down,

1062
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:02,879
Speaker 1: it's still much higher than it was five years ago.

1063
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 1: Union Station is a shithole. It has been a shithole

1064
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:10,239
Speaker 1: for five years. I've lived here since twenty ten, which,

1065
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 1: by the way, in retrospect, is the best year to

1066
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 1: ever live here. Is the lowest of the violent crime

1067
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 1: rate has ever been. By twenty fourteen, it's gone downhill.

1068
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 1: There's a lot of reasons for that. The crime situation

1069
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:21,759
Speaker 1: is bad. I used to live I lived on the

1070
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 1: block literally where Big Balls was assaulted or whatever. Somebody

1071
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 1: was murdered, shot in the head, innocent bystanderd. Exactly one

1072
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:33,359
Speaker 1: block away. The parent restaurant I took my parents too,

1073
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 1: was the subject of a gunfight less than three days later,

1074
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 1: where somebody was shot and almost killed bullet holes that

1075
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 1: were sprayed in the way. So I'm not exaggerating like

1076
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:45,359
Speaker 1: it's bad and it's been bad. There are different ways

1077
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:48,799
Speaker 1: to fix it, and this is generally not the competent way.

1078
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:51,319
Speaker 1: And I think that's kind of been my if you

1079
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:53,759
Speaker 1: were to say my break with the Trump administration, it's

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Speaker 1: that they have in many cases, I think, points about

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00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:02,279
Speaker 1: illegal immigration, about crime, and but what they choose is

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00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 1: the showmanship versus the execution. And that's actually bad for

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Speaker 1: two reasons, and I'll explain, which is it negatively polarizes

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00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:12,840
Speaker 1: the entire country about the point that you're actually trying

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00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 1: to make, and the point that you make doesn't even

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Speaker 1: get fixed. So you kind of pair those two things

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Speaker 1: together where yeah, it's fun to do your little press conference,

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00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 1: you know, at Union Station, and what you do is

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00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:27,840
Speaker 1: you troll the liberals into trying to say the actually

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00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 1: Union Station is safe, when in reality, it's like, look,

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Speaker 1: if you live here, we have two huge problems here

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00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 1: in Washington, DC. Number one is juvenile offenders. That and

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00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 1: basically lack of prosecution that has been That is a

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00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 1: literal Biden policy that was adopted and led to widespread

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00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 1: crime throughout the entire city, carjackings, et cetera. That is

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00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:52,920
Speaker 1: an attorney general problem which is very easily solved in fact, actually,

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00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:56,320
Speaker 1: and I'm curious because this is where the libertarian everything aligns.

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Speaker 1: Janine Pure is that her name, Judge Janine just announced

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00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 1: yesterday that DC will no longer pursue firearms charges against

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00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:08,840
Speaker 1: people in the city. And I'm like, uh, well, the

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00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:12,000
Speaker 1: libertarian in me who's like, yeah, good. But the other

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00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 1: hand is is like, if we're all being honest, like,

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00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 1: gun charge is the easiest way to get most of

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Speaker 1: these people off the streets.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's what the black two A advocates often say,

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00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:24,840
Speaker 2: is that gun charges are the way that you go.

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00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:28,919
Speaker 2: That's how the criminal justice system is, that's the entry point.

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00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:30,680
Speaker 1: Yes, it's the easiest way to get something locked up.

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00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, a bunch of people, disproportionately black people. And I mean,

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Speaker 2: I do think part of so zooming out from DC.

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00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 2: This country has much higher rates of violent crime in

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00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:46,960
Speaker 2: cities across the country than similarly situated like developed nations, right,

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00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 2: no question, no.

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00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:48,799
Speaker 1: Doubt about it.

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Speaker 2: I think if you look at the differences between those countries,

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00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:54,880
Speaker 2: one of the things is we are a wash in guns.

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00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 2: That is a big part of that is not something

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00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 2: that Republicans want to do anything about whatsoever. And like

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00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 2: you said, is going in the opposite direction here in

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Speaker 2: DC in terms of actually, you know, cracking down on

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00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:09,360
Speaker 2: the firearms. Here, DC comparatively has relatively tight firearm restrictions.

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00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:11,480
Speaker 2: But obviously it's you know, a city with Virginia on

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Speaker 2: the other side. In Virginia you can get any gun

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00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 2: you want basically anytime with very few restrictions.

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Speaker 1: But this is the good. DC is the strictest gun

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Speaker 1: laws in the entire country.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. There's Virginia's right there, and

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Speaker 2: so it makes it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but Maryland has some of the strict Maryland as

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00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 1: the same Standwich standards as California.

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00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:30,640
Speaker 2: So the country as a whole is a wash in firearms,

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00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:32,359
Speaker 2: and that is certainly now it may not be all

1133
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Speaker 2: of it. I think the mass inequality, you know, the

1134
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Speaker 2: fact that you have this like entrenched underclass, very little

1135
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:39,719
Speaker 2: social safety net, I think that is part of it

1136
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 2: as well. I'm not saying that it's one thing, but

1137
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 2: that's part of the conversation. But you know, some of

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Speaker 2: to me, the most interesting reporting that's been going on,

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00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:48,319
Speaker 2: SAG and I think you would share this sentiment. Is

1140
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 2: the journalists who actually went into you know, Anacostia across

1141
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:56,840
Speaker 2: the river, the neighborhoods that suffer the most from violent

1142
00:55:56,880 --> 00:56:00,400
Speaker 2: crime truly and talk to residents there like how do

1143
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:01,160
Speaker 2: you feel about this?

1144
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:03,160
Speaker 3: And there's an openness.

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00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:06,120
Speaker 1: No, They're like, they're like, listen, we're open to it. Yeah,

1146
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:07,160
Speaker 1: that's true. It's on that.

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00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:09,759
Speaker 2: I mean they're like, we we would like to see

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00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:11,799
Speaker 2: more laun we would love it if this would help.

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00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:14,399
Speaker 2: But there is zero I mean, first of all, there's

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00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:17,480
Speaker 2: very little presence there at all. This has all been

1151
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:20,799
Speaker 2: you know, m wraps on the mall and outside of

1152
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 2: Union Station and protecting Georgetown cupcakes or whatever, which is.

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00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 2: You know, not to say there's zero crime in those places,

1154
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:32,440
Speaker 2: but much less than in other parts of the of

1155
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:32,960
Speaker 2: the city.

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00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:34,160
Speaker 3: So that's number one.

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00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:37,040
Speaker 2: But number two, if they were serious about wanting to

1158
00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:39,280
Speaker 2: get the I mean no, you just can't take them seriously.

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00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:42,480
Speaker 2: This is the same government that stripped a billion dollars

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00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:45,520
Speaker 2: in funding from the DC budget that is supposed to

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00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:48,799
Speaker 2: go to things like public safety. So long hold we

1162
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:50,960
Speaker 2: can put see five up on the screen. They did

1163
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:53,480
Speaker 2: a poll of DC residents, the people that this is

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00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:57,360
Speaker 2: supposedly meant to help, and eight and ten are like, no,

1165
00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:01,000
Speaker 2: of course, we don't want this. Eight and ten Washingtonians

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00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:03,759
Speaker 2: opposed Trump taking control of DC's police and federal troops

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Speaker 2: controlling the streets.

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00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:06,960
Speaker 3: You have the question specifically, is.

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00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 2: Do you support or oppose Trump ordering the Federal Garment

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00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:11,719
Speaker 2: to take control of d c DC's police department and

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Speaker 2: ordering the National Garden FBI to patrol DC. Nine percent

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00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:18,480
Speaker 2: strongly support, eight percent somewhat support, and then you have

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00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 2: seventy nine percent who either strongly oppose. And by the way,

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00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 2: the strongly opposed is sixty nine percent, So nearly seventy

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00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 2: percent of the city is like absolutely not. And again,

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00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:31,560
Speaker 2: those are the people that they're posturing like they want

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00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:33,960
Speaker 2: to help, and everyone can just see through it and saga.

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Speaker 2: The thing that I've struggled with in sort of like

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00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:41,040
Speaker 2: communicating about this administration or even intellectualizing this administration and

1180
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:43,600
Speaker 2: really trying to like grapple with it in a way

1181
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:47,960
Speaker 2: that's not hyperbolic or hysterical, is, on the one hand,

1182
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:52,080
Speaker 2: you have these preposterously authoritarian shows a force that are

1183
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:56,840
Speaker 2: just meant to demonstrate like, you know, military crackdown, and

1184
00:57:56,920 --> 00:58:01,000
Speaker 2: on the other hand they're so like incompetent and fooonish,

1185
00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:04,240
Speaker 2: and so it's hard to take seriously the you know,

1186
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:07,200
Speaker 2: authoritary nature of what's being done. When you call a

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00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:10,120
Speaker 2: National Guard from sixth surrounding states and you know, em

1188
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:12,640
Speaker 2: raps in the streets and all this grap it's hard

1189
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:16,479
Speaker 2: to take seriously that when on the other hand they're

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00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:20,360
Speaker 2: just they're like a bunch of idiotic, incompetent, trolling clowns.

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Speaker 1: I would I would see that that is the critique

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00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:27,360
Speaker 1: that I am the most sympathetic too, and again, I

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Speaker 1: think is also the one which is going to land

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00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:33,640
Speaker 1: the best because it's about the both. It's very Again,

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00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:37,919
Speaker 1: it's hard because I literally moved out here because of crime,

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00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:39,800
Speaker 1: and I know a lot of other people who did.

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00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:42,240
Speaker 1: It's bad, and it's like I can't sit and be

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00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:44,400
Speaker 1: gas lit by people who taught me that it's not good.

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Speaker 1: It's it's horrible. And I've lived here for so long

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Speaker 1: I actually watch the decline. It's quality of life, crime

1201
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:53,520
Speaker 1: and the general feeling of safety and sorry, yes, that's

1202
00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:57,720
Speaker 1: an actual feeling of safety, which entails vagrancy and general,

1203
00:58:57,880 --> 00:59:00,440
Speaker 1: just like the having to worry about getting staff by

1204
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:03,040
Speaker 1: somebody mentally ill on the street is a real thing.

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00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:05,280
Speaker 1: Same in Union Station. You watched it go from a

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00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:08,160
Speaker 1: place of business people to bum showers in the span

1207
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:10,760
Speaker 1: of two to three years, and it really still has

1208
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:13,040
Speaker 1: not really returned to how it used to be. Now,

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00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:14,960
Speaker 1: there's a lot of reasons for that, COVID and all

1210
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:17,440
Speaker 1: that one, but this is where I get frustrated. You know,

1211
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:19,920
Speaker 1: with the Washington DC residents, they don't actually want to

1212
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:22,320
Speaker 1: do anything about it. That's part of the other problem there.

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00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:25,280
Speaker 1: You know, DC city count the mayor may be pro cop.

1214
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:29,160
Speaker 1: The city council shoots down every single attempt to try

1215
00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:32,240
Speaker 1: and hire more MPD officers. The juvenile problem is the

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00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:34,760
Speaker 1: one that the city council members themselves are the ones

1217
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:37,200
Speaker 1: who are fighting for more leniency, which is leading to

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Speaker 1: all this truancy crisis. And by the way, this city

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00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:44,600
Speaker 1: spends more than every other public school per capita than

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00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:46,480
Speaker 1: any place in the country, and they have the highest

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Speaker 1: truancy rates. Some thirty thirty percent of DC students are truant,

1222
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:52,520
Speaker 1: something that Delano and Squire said on our show, which

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00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:55,480
Speaker 1: I look uncomfortable, But people always want to whitewash it,

1224
00:59:55,840 --> 00:59:58,920
Speaker 1: like if you have a school district where ninety percent truant,

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00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:01,520
Speaker 1: that's a parent problem. It's true and people need to

1226
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:04,439
Speaker 1: but like no, no, no, no, no, we have to get real.

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01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:07,960
Speaker 1: You are you or what he sat out.

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Speaker 2: But I thought what he said was so silly though,

1229
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:13,600
Speaker 2: because he was like his answer was like the mayor

1230
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Speaker 2: should say parents should.

1231
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:16,440
Speaker 3: Do a better job. It's like, what the fuck is

1232
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:16,720
Speaker 3: that going to?

1233
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:17,320
Speaker 1: No hold them?

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Speaker 2: That's not actually a more pathetic answer than like what

1235
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:20,760
Speaker 2: left okay, but.

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Speaker 1: No hold them acount. It's the same way if your

1237
01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:25,440
Speaker 1: kid is fifteen and they use your ar fifteen to

1238
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:27,720
Speaker 1: go and shoot up a school, you need to be prosecuted.

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01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:29,160
Speaker 3: I ASHERI it with that.

1240
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:31,959
Speaker 2: But his thing was just like you know, wag your finger,

1241
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:33,240
Speaker 2: and I'm like, that's not gonna It's.

1242
01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:35,200
Speaker 1: Not just they need to go to jail. Like if

1243
01:00:35,240 --> 01:00:37,600
Speaker 1: your kid is out there carjacking and you have been

1244
01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:40,040
Speaker 1: had multiple warnings from the school district and all that,

1245
01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:42,760
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, you need to be held accountable. And the

1246
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:45,600
Speaker 1: truth is that they have. They have embraced all of

1247
01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:50,160
Speaker 1: these BLM ferguson like anti crime policy or anti police

1248
01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:53,160
Speaker 1: policies since twenty fourteen, not an accident, that's the year

1249
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:54,440
Speaker 1: that the city went You have to.

1250
01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:56,680
Speaker 2: Also acknowledge the crime rate has gone down.

1251
01:00:56,680 --> 01:01:00,240
Speaker 1: It has gone down from the height it's I don't

1252
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:00,880
Speaker 1: way higher.

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01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:03,920
Speaker 2: I'm not an expert on DC politics, so I don't

1254
01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:06,840
Speaker 2: know what the city council has or hasn't done or whatever.

1255
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:11,760
Speaker 2: I do know, I really residence, especially in neighborhoods that

1256
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:15,200
Speaker 2: suffer war from violence, residents are open to more law

1257
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:17,919
Speaker 2: enforcement presence. I don't think there's any doubt about that.

1258
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:20,440
Speaker 2: And in fact, you know, it tends to be poor,

1259
01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:25,000
Speaker 2: blacker neighborhoods where and those two things obviously, unfortunately America

1260
01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:29,360
Speaker 2: frequently go together where there's more receptivity to law enforcement presence.

1261
01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:31,080
Speaker 2: So I don't think when you look at the poll

1262
01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:33,360
Speaker 2: that's like eighty percent are opposed to Trump, I don't

1263
01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:35,920
Speaker 2: think that's like, oh, we just don't want more law. No,

1264
01:01:36,080 --> 01:01:38,160
Speaker 2: they see this lot of the fooonishness that it is

1265
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:42,919
Speaker 2: a lot negative. That's certainly, but they're right to see

1266
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:45,200
Speaker 2: this as being ridiculous and not to mention, you know,

1267
01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:47,240
Speaker 2: if you care about law and order. Look, it goes

1268
01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:49,320
Speaker 2: without saying that this is.

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Speaker 3: The guy that pardoned that.

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Speaker 2: You know, all the January sixth of rioters are like

1271
01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:53,880
Speaker 2: beating up cops and whatever.

1272
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Speaker 3: So and it's a fair point.

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01:01:55,720 --> 01:01:58,080
Speaker 2: It's a fair point to make, especially because that happened

1274
01:01:58,120 --> 01:02:02,280
Speaker 2: in DC. But in addition, you don't just have the

1275
01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:06,000
Speaker 2: National Guard. You also have all these FBI agents who

1276
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:08,960
Speaker 2: are being pulled off, Like aren't they supposed to be

1277
01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:12,520
Speaker 2: doing real work, not just standing around. I watch a

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01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:15,680
Speaker 2: video yesterday of some I don't know what agency they're with,

1279
01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:18,280
Speaker 2: because it's hard to tell in many instances, people just

1280
01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:21,320
Speaker 2: riding up and down the escalator at a metro station.

1281
01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:24,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, or picture people just like these guys, just like.

1282
01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:26,840
Speaker 2: Boards standing around in an empty metro station.

1283
01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:29,120
Speaker 1: That actually was my old metro station, safest one in

1284
01:02:29,160 --> 01:02:29,760
Speaker 1: the entire city.

1285
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:32,160
Speaker 3: I mean, there, thank you, there, you go.

1286
01:02:32,080 --> 01:02:34,919
Speaker 1: For protecting my fellow drunken GW students. So I'm sure

1287
01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:38,120
Speaker 1: that they needed it. Look, I agree, it is buffoonish,

1288
01:02:38,160 --> 01:02:40,560
Speaker 1: and the way that they execute it is preposterous. It's

1289
01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:43,200
Speaker 1: just about but the problem has to be acknowledged, and

1290
01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:45,600
Speaker 1: like that is the part why I can't move away

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Speaker 1: from this city and its residents basically seem to be

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Speaker 1: okay with crime. I will never understand it. It's why

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Speaker 1: I left. I said, this place cannot be saved. Its

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Speaker 1: own population basically is wedded to BLM signs over people

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Speaker 1: not getting murdered. I don't know what it is. It's

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Speaker 1: the psychology of the people who live here. But the

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Speaker 1: thing is, and that's why actually was the only actually.

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Speaker 2: Is it's not like outstanding nationally in terms of the

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Speaker 2: rate of violent crime.

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Speaker 1: Well there are you know, in.

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Speaker 2: Fact, red states. A number of red states have higher

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Speaker 2: crime rates in blue states. I think it's Memphis and

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Speaker 2: Saint Louis. This is the worst that have the worst

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Speaker 2: violent crime rates in the country. And while I'm sure

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Speaker 2: individual policy decisions do make somewhat of a difference, you

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Speaker 2: can also see that a lot of this is national trends.

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Speaker 2: There's a huge national spike in crime come in COVID

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Speaker 2: and coming out of COVID, and there's been a similar

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Speaker 2: national decline in crimes.

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Speaker 1: The cost also BLM like see is that there is

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Speaker 1: a total obfuscation of the role that BLM played in

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Speaker 1: the massive spike on crime. The Ferguson effect is statistically proven.

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Speaker 1: It's real is that these BLM style events Trayvon Martin

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Speaker 1: Ferguson led to the fergus Effect, the cooling of crime enforcement,

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Speaker 1: saying back in twenty twenty, which led to an explosion

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Speaker 1: in violent crime.

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Speaker 2: Enforcement is mostly cops like not doing their job as much.

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Speaker 1: Oh yes, because they're afraid. Now listen, I look, I'm

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Speaker 1: not some pro police fanatic. My response when the police

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Speaker 1: pull up is, lawyer, I don't have a fucking thing

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Speaker 1: to say to you, like and that should be yours too.

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Speaker 1: Don't ever talk to them without a lawyer present. Zero,

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Speaker 1: even if it's a speeding ticket. Don't acknowledge nothing, Just

1324
01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:24,040
Speaker 1: say lawyer, lawyer, lawyer. You don't have to say a word.

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Speaker 1: Even if you pull out your ID, same thing. You

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01:04:26,680 --> 01:04:28,520
Speaker 1: can lawfully comply. You don't have to say anything. It

1327
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Speaker 1: canon will be used against you in a court of law.

1328
01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:32,320
Speaker 1: Look out for your own rights. I want to make

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01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:36,280
Speaker 1: that very clear. But it is also empirically clear that

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Speaker 1: a systematic level lack of crime enforcement and specifically soft

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01:04:41,520 --> 01:04:45,040
Speaker 1: on crime do gooder policies like oh these poor little juveniles,

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Speaker 1: has led to an explosion of carjackings here in Washington.

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Speaker 1: It's a Washingtonian problem, and it's specifically because of the

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Speaker 1: federal government, Joe Biden and a bunch of like BLM

1335
01:04:54,680 --> 01:04:57,440
Speaker 1: style leftists said, Oh, we can't prosecute these poor kids,

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Speaker 1: and they wreak havoc across the city.

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Speaker 2: Everybody I know it could be a Washington specific I'm

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Speaker 2: generally I don't think Washington was the problem. When you

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Speaker 2: see a similar dynamic happening in cities across the country.

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Speaker 1: We have to disaggregate violent crime from quality of life crime.

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Speaker 1: Carjacking is included in violent crime, but vagrancy is not. So.

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Speaker 1: San Francisco is a shithole. Can we all agree on that,

1343
01:05:17,800 --> 01:05:20,840
Speaker 1: at least the major parts of it, the tenderloine, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: San Francisco has a very low murder rate. They don't

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Speaker 1: have a big murder problem. They have a high violent

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01:05:26,560 --> 01:05:29,280
Speaker 1: crime rate, but it is, in my opinion, the most

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Speaker 1: unpleasant city in the United States to be in. Why

1348
01:05:31,720 --> 01:05:36,280
Speaker 1: because of violent, mentally ill drug addicts everywhere who are

1349
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Speaker 1: constantly harassing you. They may not kill you, but look,

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Speaker 1: we can't just sit here and say it's acceptable. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I recently had dinner in Washington, in a place.

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Speaker 3: Which even though those stats are down in California, but.

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Speaker 1: You're talking again, you're talking about violent crime, talking.

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Speaker 2: About no about homelessness, like public visible homelessness.

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Speaker 1: And part of that of the country. Part of that

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Speaker 1: is the repeal of the Ninth Circuit in California, which

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Speaker 1: basically allowed the California authorities to go and clean up

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Speaker 1: some of the areas. It's not just local this again

1359
01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:08,200
Speaker 1: is soft on crime policy, which led to a massive

1360
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Speaker 1: explosion of the permissibility of fentanyl addicts being on every corner.

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Speaker 2: But I just for example, so Baltimore is on track

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Speaker 2: for and Baltimore's has historically been one of in the

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Speaker 2: modern era, one of the worst cities in the country

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Speaker 2: in terms of specifically murders and violent crime.

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Speaker 3: And I mean, you know, the wire we.

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Speaker 2: All watched like unfortunately too close to or was too

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Speaker 2: close to reality in Baltimore, and they're on track to

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Speaker 2: have their lowest murder rate in documented history. And it

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Speaker 2: wasn't just We're going to flood the zone with coups.

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Speaker 2: It was a range of approaches including you know, more

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Speaker 2: after school activities and those sorts of things that might

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Speaker 2: be stereotyped as soft on crime. So you know, there

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01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:52,440
Speaker 2: was a model there that has been very successful that.

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Speaker 3: I think these are griped at as well.

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Speaker 2: But I do also think, like you know, the national

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01:06:58,680 --> 01:07:03,280
Speaker 2: crime rate is much higher than other similar countries, and

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Speaker 2: I think a good part of that has to do

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Speaker 2: with guns. I think a good part of that has

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Speaker 2: to do with inequality and socioeconomics. A good part of

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Speaker 2: that has to be lack of social safety net, good

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01:07:11,720 --> 01:07:13,920
Speaker 2: part of that has to do with upper lack of

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Speaker 2: upward mobility. And then you know, you have had these

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01:07:17,320 --> 01:07:19,480
Speaker 2: national trends. So again I'm not doubting. I'm not an

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Speaker 2: expert on DC politics. I don't know what's been done

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Speaker 2: here specifically. I'm not doubting there aren't factors that have

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Speaker 2: contributed to some of the specific dynamics here, but it

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Speaker 2: seems like overall the more important dynamics have been like

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Speaker 2: national global trends, which have led to all of these

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Speaker 2: cities moving in similar directions.

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Speaker 1: To see I would agree, But my point is that

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Speaker 1: the national trend is bom and like that was the

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Speaker 1: singular most important thing in the history of crime.

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Speaker 2: But how we're just aggregate that from COVID, Well, I mean,

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Speaker 2: that's part of I think, because the truancy rate, that

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Speaker 2: to me is directly at all.

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Speaker 1: All those are the COVID, but those are two conjoined

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Speaker 1: factors because it's not just truancy, it's the lack of

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Speaker 1: enforcement and the do gooder, Oh, we shouldn't do anything

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Speaker 1: about these poor children, and that's it's like, that is

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Speaker 1: the toxic.

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Speaker 3: E everywhere in the country.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, but DC is an outlier. That's my point.

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Speaker 2: Out of COVID truancy rate is up across the country

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01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:15,760
Speaker 2: because it just became like it used to be, you

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01:08:15,800 --> 01:08:18,040
Speaker 2: go to school every day and then you know, the

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Speaker 2: message that was sent was basically like, well it's kind

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01:08:20,439 --> 01:08:23,080
Speaker 2: of optional and actually we're doing this one point home

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Speaker 2: and schools across the country have been struggling with.

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Speaker 1: The Conservatives will be mad at me for saying this.

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Speaker 1: We should take a lot of lessons from New York City.

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Speaker 1: It is by far the safest, cleanest, and the most

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Speaker 1: livable of the big cities in terms of quality of life.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of reasons for that. One is they

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Speaker 1: don't tolerate this San Francisco, Los Angeles drug addiction. The vast,

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Speaker 1: vast majority of people who are homeless are drug addicts.

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Speaker 1: It is not a housing issue. That's one of those

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Speaker 1: that I've probably switched on the most, in particular watching

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Speaker 1: it here in Washington, I watched it go from methamphetamine

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01:08:56,120 --> 01:09:00,800
Speaker 1: and like drunkenness to fentanyl. Fentanyl has wrecked this place,

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01:09:00,840 --> 01:09:03,679
Speaker 1: the fentanyl lean and what you know, just look, anybody

1421
01:09:03,680 --> 01:09:05,519
Speaker 1: doesn't know what I'm talking about, you can google it.

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Speaker 1: It's horrific. If you've ever been to skid Row, San Francisco,

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Speaker 1: it is entirely a fentanyl crisis which has taken over

1424
01:09:12,040 --> 01:09:15,200
Speaker 1: these places, which leads to massive amounts of petty crime,

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Speaker 1: massive quality of life problems, carjacking or car break ins,

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Speaker 1: breaking into cities. I mean, this stuff has like massive

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Speaker 1: cooling effects on commerce, on the ability of people to

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Speaker 1: have children. My own sister lived in San Francisco. I

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Speaker 1: stayed in her apartment. I go out the door. This

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Speaker 1: is a nice neighborhood, and there's a guy literally taking

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Speaker 1: a shit on a stop at four am in the

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Speaker 1: morning with a needle his arm. I'm not joking, Like,

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Speaker 1: this is real stuff, and this is the stuff that

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Speaker 1: happens every single day. That is an enforcement problem, like

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01:09:43,560 --> 01:09:46,360
Speaker 1: clear and simple. New York does not tolerate that, even

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Speaker 1: with all of their democratic mayor etc.

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Speaker 2: Also has a requirement at legal requirement to provide housing

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Speaker 2: for everyone, but.

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Speaker 1: They don't accept drugs. Also, well made your crackdown on

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01:10:01,640 --> 01:10:04,400
Speaker 1: a home like people. But I cannot walk your way

1441
01:10:04,439 --> 01:10:06,920
Speaker 1: out of this with right to housing. If you give

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01:10:07,080 --> 01:10:09,080
Speaker 1: quote right to housing a drug addicts, they'll rip it

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01:10:09,080 --> 01:10:10,840
Speaker 1: apart and they'll use it as a drug den I hate.

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Speaker 2: But the other thing stronger is that there's just not

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01:10:13,880 --> 01:10:17,360
Speaker 2: nearly sufficient rehab programs I agree with people to go into.

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Speaker 3: And I actually maybe we'll maybe we'll.

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Speaker 2: Agree on this, like when Eric Adams shifted the criteria

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Speaker 2: for the ability to you know, deem someone like a

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01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:30,400
Speaker 2: threat to themselves or to others, and to be able

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Speaker 2: to put them into an institutional like institutionalize them and

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Speaker 2: get treatment. Like I actually support things like that because

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Speaker 2: I do think that, you know, I first and foremost

1453
01:10:41,280 --> 01:10:45,559
Speaker 2: I care about those human beings who are unhoused, who

1454
01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:50,920
Speaker 2: are struggling with addiction, who are clearly living like really

1455
01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:55,200
Speaker 2: a miserable existence, and I do think sometimes they're in

1456
01:10:55,360 --> 01:10:58,840
Speaker 2: an effort to be you know, empathetic and not to

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01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:02,160
Speaker 2: have like often the right just wants to like criminalize

1458
01:11:02,280 --> 01:11:05,439
Speaker 2: or invisibilize or push out or whatever, and so an

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01:11:05,479 --> 01:11:08,400
Speaker 2: attempt to push back on that, there's actually a lack

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Speaker 2: of empathy for what that person is going through and

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Speaker 2: the type of help that they need. And so, you know,

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Speaker 2: I think I am in favor of more ability to

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Speaker 2: you know, get people help, even when it is against

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Speaker 2: their will. I know that's a controversial thing to say,

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Speaker 2: but I think if you truly have compassion for people,

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Speaker 2: like you wouldn't want someone that's your family member no

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Speaker 2: to be living in that state. And so in any case,

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Speaker 2: this has gone kind of far afield, but it is,

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Speaker 2: you know, but.

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Speaker 1: Because it's it is about the show. But remember you know,

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Speaker 1: the Trump maga and all the support for this type

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Speaker 1: of stuff and the reason why a lot of people

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Speaker 1: even went along with it. You know, maybe unpopular here.

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Speaker 1: I need to see an nationwide polling. And yes, I'm

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Speaker 1: not saying that.

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Speaker 3: It's unpopular nationally too.

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Speaker 1: It may be in terms of the but like people

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four, they were pretty fed up with

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Speaker 1: a lot of this stuff, and I think I will

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Speaker 1: never walk away from that is a good impetus. And

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Speaker 1: even like what you were just talking about, the rehab

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01:12:07,640 --> 01:12:10,880
Speaker 1: and the confinement that the most important shift that the

1483
01:12:10,960 --> 01:12:14,200
Speaker 1: left needs to make is to going from toxic empathy

1484
01:12:14,479 --> 01:12:17,439
Speaker 1: to paternalism. And yeah, you're gonna hate me for saying it,

1485
01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:20,439
Speaker 1: but the countries you all revere, like Portugal, your ass

1486
01:12:20,560 --> 01:12:22,719
Speaker 1: is going to jail. If you sit on a public

1487
01:12:22,800 --> 01:12:26,400
Speaker 1: street corner and you shut up, shoot up, heroin, mandatory

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01:12:26,439 --> 01:12:29,600
Speaker 1: rehab or jail. We need to shift to that mentality.

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Speaker 1: If you are in skid row and there's a needle

1490
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Speaker 1: in your arm and you're raping women trying to charge

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01:12:34,720 --> 01:12:37,479
Speaker 1: you basically so that you can give them ventanyl, you

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01:12:37,640 --> 01:12:40,800
Speaker 1: are going to jail. Those fentanyl addicts who have been

1493
01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:43,720
Speaker 1: reduced to that horrific state, you're getting locked up for

1494
01:12:43,760 --> 01:12:46,759
Speaker 1: two years in mandatory rehab, not some nine to day program.

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Speaker 1: Two years. If you look at the recidivism rate on

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Speaker 1: heroin and fentanyl, it's already sky high. There needs to

1497
01:12:52,520 --> 01:12:56,080
Speaker 1: be a basic social contract agreement for all of us

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01:12:56,240 --> 01:12:59,959
Speaker 1: where it's like, you have a problem. That problem is solvable,

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Speaker 1: but it is one where we need to take away

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Speaker 1: a lot of agency from you and I'm sorry, and

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Speaker 1: that is a huge problem because it conflicts with a

1502
01:13:07,960 --> 01:13:11,440
Speaker 1: lot of the current legal system. But this current system

1503
01:13:11,720 --> 01:13:15,080
Speaker 1: does not work and it has been destroyed them, and

1504
01:13:15,120 --> 01:13:18,559
Speaker 1: it has destroyed tax paying citizens, businesses and others who

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01:13:18,600 --> 01:13:21,200
Speaker 1: deserve the right to live in a safe place. So

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Speaker 1: that would be my main thing. It's like you have

1507
01:13:23,880 --> 01:13:27,599
Speaker 1: to embrace like the uncomfort of telling someone we are

1508
01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:29,120
Speaker 1: going to deprive you of your rights. For quite a

1509
01:13:29,160 --> 01:13:30,439
Speaker 1: long time, there was for your own goal.

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Speaker 2: It actually dovetails somewhat with the anti eugenics monologue, okay,

1511
01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:39,080
Speaker 2: because there was, you know, this progressive era push to

1512
01:13:39,400 --> 01:13:43,880
Speaker 2: institutionalize anybody and everybody who like, you know, we're seen

1513
01:13:43,960 --> 01:13:46,800
Speaker 2: as basically based on poverty, you know, and sometimes it

1514
01:13:46,840 --> 01:13:49,360
Speaker 2: would be genuine mental illness or whatever. But there was

1515
01:13:49,400 --> 01:13:54,000
Speaker 2: this mass push towards institutional institutionalizing people, and then there

1516
01:13:54,040 --> 01:13:56,479
Speaker 2: was a backlash against that because it went way too

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01:13:56,479 --> 01:13:58,880
Speaker 2: far and you were just completely depriving people of rights.

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Speaker 2: And again it would be someone who's just was you know,

1519
01:14:01,040 --> 01:14:03,680
Speaker 2: their crime was being poor, and they locked up for

1520
01:14:03,800 --> 01:14:07,719
Speaker 2: life and sterilized by the way, and you know, now

1521
01:14:07,800 --> 01:14:09,559
Speaker 2: you're at the point where number one, I mean, our

1522
01:14:09,560 --> 01:14:12,799
Speaker 2: healthcare system is shit. There's not nearly enough rehab available,

1523
01:14:12,840 --> 01:14:14,799
Speaker 2: like even people who want to get clean and sober.

1524
01:14:14,960 --> 01:14:16,880
Speaker 2: They don't have a place where they can go to

1525
01:14:16,920 --> 01:14:19,360
Speaker 2: try to avail themselves of those services. There are way

1526
01:14:19,360 --> 01:14:22,200
Speaker 2: too few psychiatric beds, there are way too few rehab beds,

1527
01:14:22,560 --> 01:14:24,280
Speaker 2: all of those sorts of things. But I do think

1528
01:14:24,280 --> 01:14:27,960
Speaker 2: we've also gone too far in the other direction of

1529
01:14:28,200 --> 01:14:31,760
Speaker 2: you know, sometimes it genuinely is in a person's interest

1530
01:14:31,800 --> 01:14:33,679
Speaker 2: and you have to have protections in there for civil liberties,

1531
01:14:33,720 --> 01:14:34,080
Speaker 2: et cetera.

1532
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Speaker 3: It's a difficult balance to strike.

1533
01:14:35,560 --> 01:14:37,880
Speaker 2: But in any case, what Trump is doing is told

1534
01:14:37,920 --> 01:14:40,880
Speaker 2: and complete bullshit. He doesn't care about crime. It's like,

1535
01:14:41,080 --> 01:14:43,439
Speaker 2: you know, m wraps t boning cars in the streets.

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Speaker 3: Way to go.

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Speaker 2: Congratulations, And I think not just DC residents, but the

1538
01:14:47,680 --> 01:14:49,840
Speaker 2: pulling I've seen is like the country sees through it.

1539
01:14:49,880 --> 01:14:52,080
Speaker 2: And you're right that, just like with the you know,

1540
01:14:52,120 --> 01:14:55,799
Speaker 2: the immigration backlash, there's also a backlash to this policy

1541
01:14:55,840 --> 01:14:58,439
Speaker 2: where people, I mean, they saw what happened in LA too,

1542
01:14:58,840 --> 01:15:01,240
Speaker 2: Like most of what what's happening here in terms of

1543
01:15:01,320 --> 01:15:05,559
Speaker 2: law enforcement is you know, like door dash drivers getting

1544
01:15:05,560 --> 01:15:06,880
Speaker 2: like pulled off their mop heads as well.

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Speaker 1: A lot of them are. So let's let's not put

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01:15:09,960 --> 01:15:12,720
Speaker 1: that aside. And I have a crazy DoorDash story which

1547
01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:13,880
Speaker 1: I hope to tell one day.