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Speaker 1: this family friend, Hannah Barry Drove to the Osuna home

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Speaker 1: our friends at KATVB seven. Meridian Police say that shortly

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Speaker 1: introduce to you an all star panel to help me

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Speaker 1: analyze exactly what happened and exactly what's going to happen

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Speaker 1: now with me. Jason Campo, Chief of Prosecutor one hundred

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Speaker 1: the DA's Office of Family Violent Violence Unit and the

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Speaker 1: Domestic Violence Task Force. Doctor Jen Mann. You can find

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Speaker 1: her at doctor jen dot com. All spelled out, no abbreviations,

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Speaker 1: marriage family Therapist, hosts of Couples Therapy, Family Therapy on

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Speaker 1: The A to Z Guy to raising happy, confident kids.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Tim Gallagher renowned medical examiner, forensic pathologist, the medical

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Speaker 1: about to lead the Daytona Beach Death Investigators Conference in September.

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Speaker 1: Dan Scott joining me, former La County's sheriff sergeant twenty

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Speaker 1: Former lecturer at UCLA, but first to Anjanette Levy, Emmy

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Speaker 1: at Anjanette five, Anjenette, let's just start with the nine

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Speaker 1: for instance, fairy tales there's always an evil stepmother? Did

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Speaker 1: You know, Jason Campo, I really like the way you

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Speaker 1: But the reality is, to Antinette Levy, this started much

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Speaker 1: four pounds with trauma to his penis like a rubber

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Speaker 1: band had been tightened around it after the stepmother and

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Speaker 1: bio dad basically starved him to death in a lot down. Now,

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Speaker 1: is there any way you could believe this was not

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Speaker 1: child abuse? What little boy would tighten a rubber band

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Speaker 1: around his penis so much the way this child was found? Well,

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Speaker 1: that's a very good question, Answy, And actually there is.

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Speaker 1: You know, there are some digestive diseases where a child

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Speaker 1: cannot absorb the nutrients from the food and they will

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Speaker 1: be underweight. You know, so just because they are underweight

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Speaker 1: does not necessarily mean it is child abuse. We have

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Speaker 1: to eliminate the possibility that this person had a digestive

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Speaker 1: disease such as Crohn's disease or alterative collidis, or a

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Speaker 1: problem with their intestine, and maybe that's why they're not underweight.

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Speaker 1: As far as what be really, well, what would you

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Speaker 1: say about his body being curved in bruises and vomit

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Speaker 1: dried in his hair? Okay, that would be a different story, right,

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Speaker 1: That would require a greater degree of explanation, and it

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Speaker 1: certainly would suggest that there had been some previous injury

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Speaker 1: to the body. But we have to look at and

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Speaker 1: we have to date the wounds, you know, are these

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Speaker 1: wounds that happened during one event or these wounds that

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Speaker 1: are in different stages appealing that happened over a long

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Speaker 1: period of time. So all of these things have to

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Speaker 1: come together before we can submitt a diagnosis of child abuse,

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Speaker 1: which would be a homicide. Well, all right, if you

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Speaker 1: say so to doctor. To a Jeanette Levy, let me

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Speaker 1: go to her. She's an Emmy Award winning reporter and anchor.

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Speaker 1: And Jeannette, I find the intense workout regiment to be

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Speaker 1: abusive in its own right, and I've seen it before.

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Speaker 1: I want you to take a listen, and Jeanette to

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Speaker 1: this case that I worked on at HLN. The case

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Speaker 1: a Little Savannah Harden. This is our cut seventeen last

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Speaker 1: prop the afternoon, about three o'clock. So nine year old

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Speaker 1: Savannah Harden comes home from elementary school with her grandmother.

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Speaker 1: She was fine when she left school. She gets back

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Speaker 1: to her house and that's when investigate. You say, the

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Speaker 1: grandmother discovered that at some point. We're not sure exactly

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Speaker 1: when this was maybe it was Friday, maybe it was

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Speaker 1: the day before. The grandmother found out that Savannah had

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Speaker 1: had a candy bar. Now she was not supposed to

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Speaker 1: have chocolate, according to the grandmother, forty six year old

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Speaker 1: Doyce Garrard, because Savannah had a bladder condition that they

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Speaker 1: believed chocolate could exacerbate or make worse. So to punish her,

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Speaker 1: according to investigators, Joyce Garrard began making her durinschild run

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Speaker 1: around the house and this continued, they say, for about

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Speaker 1: three hours until she collapsed into a seizure about six

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Speaker 1: forty five. That's when her stepmom, twenty six year old

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Speaker 1: Jessica Harden, who by the way, at the time was

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Speaker 1: nine months pregnant, calls ninety one and says, my stepdaughters

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Speaker 1: having a seizure. Medics come out to this scene in

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Speaker 1: rule Etowa County, northeast of Birmingham, take her to a

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Speaker 1: local hospital day beside. She's in bedenough condition, they're going

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Speaker 1: to airlift her the Children's Hospital in Birmingham, and that

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Speaker 1: is where she died about noon on Monday. You're hearing

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Speaker 1: our friend, reporter Jonathan Hardison speaking. So they make the

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Speaker 1: little girl the grandmother. And by the way, Mommy pregnant

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Speaker 1: was on the front porch watching all this, having a

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Speaker 1: sig watching the stepmommy. Let me correct myself as the

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Speaker 1: little girl Savanna runs right now holding an armful of logs.

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Speaker 1: Just to add to it, but listen to more. Take

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Speaker 1: a listen to our cut eighteen. Right now, the stepmother

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Speaker 1: and the grandmother are being held on what charges they

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Speaker 1: are currently being held on murder charges? And what is

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Speaker 1: the mode of murder? Because in any murder indictment you

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Speaker 1: have to say they're shot to death, they're stabbed to death,

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Speaker 1: they're bludgeoned to death, they're asphyxiation. What is the charge,

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Speaker 1: what is the mode of murder? And the charges against

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Speaker 1: the stepmom and the grandmother this is steleny murder on

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Speaker 1: aggravated child abuse. So with felony murdered child abuse means

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Speaker 1: that when you're not sure about the mode of death,

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Speaker 1: you can charge a felony I a child abuse and

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Speaker 1: the child died during the child abuse, so no specific

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Speaker 1: intent to kill is required for the prosecutor to prove.

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Speaker 1: Now there we see a bizarre case of forcing a

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Speaker 1: young girl to run and run and run until she

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Speaker 1: literally drops dead. But there is another case. Take a

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Speaker 1: listen to our story of little Churlie blothed you old.

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Speaker 1: This is our cut nine. Harlie told investigators he was

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Speaker 1: forced to get up at five am by his father

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Speaker 1: and complete one hundred pushups, two hundred situps, twenty five

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Speaker 1: arm curls, and thousands of revolutions on the elliptical trainer

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Speaker 1: twice a day, seven days a week. The twelve year

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Speaker 1: old said he had to complete the grueling routine in

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Speaker 1: under an hour or he'd have to do it again.

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Speaker 1: Charlie said sometimes he couldn't finish because he was in

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Speaker 1: too much pain, pain allegedly caused by his father hitting

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Speaker 1: him with a PVC pipe on his feet. Those are

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Speaker 1: our friends over at a chill in speaking in the

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Speaker 1: a that I covered, So Angeanette Levy joining us reporter

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Speaker 1: and anchor. What were these so called exercises that were

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Speaker 1: forced on as soon between the beatings? Oh, it was

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Speaker 1: awful that he was forced to do jumping jacks and

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Speaker 1: then do wall sets for very long periods of time

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Speaker 1: and he would only be a wall set. A wall

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Speaker 1: set is kind of an exercise that you can do.

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Speaker 1: It's supposed to tighten your quads and kind of your

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Speaker 1: rear end you. Basically, it's like you go up against

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Speaker 1: the wall and then you sit as if you're sitting

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Speaker 1: in a chair, and you make it so that your

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Speaker 1: knees and your legs and your thighs like it's a

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Speaker 1: ninety degree angle. So essentially, like you it sounds horrible. Well,

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Speaker 1: I've tried it. I'll just tell you right now. It's

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Speaker 1: no fun. And I've done it in the past, the workout,

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Speaker 1: and it's hard, and it's supposed to strengthen your legs.

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Speaker 1: But he was forced to do that along with the

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Speaker 1: jumping jacks, and he would only be allowed to stop

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Speaker 1: for a moment, according to the prosecutors. And I just

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Speaker 1: what I don't understan, And it's why you would force

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Speaker 1: a child to do such a thing, Jason Camp, have

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Speaker 1: you ever seen anything like it where children are forced

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Speaker 1: to exercise, which normally in this world it's applauded when

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Speaker 1: someone over exercises, but you exercise children to death. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'm looking at a shot of Eric as Sooner right now,

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Speaker 1: and he's smiling and seemingly happy. Apparently the world had

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Speaker 1: no idea what was going on at home. It's definitely

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Speaker 1: something that you see occasionally. I think it's still kind

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Speaker 1: of rare, the overexercising. I think maybe it's a way

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Speaker 1: that they can torture or punish the child, but without

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Speaker 1: leaving the typical bruises of child abuse, so that they

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Speaker 1: can still have that psychological power over them, but not

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Speaker 1: have the physical evidence. And I think in this case,

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Speaker 1: I think one of the things that we have to

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Speaker 1: remember is that with the COVID lockdown in schools being closed,

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Speaker 1: he was at home twenty four hours a day, right,

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Speaker 1: He didn't even have that break of being able to

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Speaker 1: go to school and get out of the house and

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Speaker 1: get away from her because she was working from home

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Speaker 1: and he was at home for school. And I think

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Speaker 1: that's probably also something that led or at least fed

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Speaker 1: up to this end for him. Yeah, and also Dan Scott,

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Speaker 1: former La County sheriffs sergeant. There weren't the safety nets

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Speaker 1: you get if a school teacher sees a child under nourished, starving,

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Speaker 1: covet and Bruis's vomit crusted in their hair, they, I

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Speaker 1: hope will report it. But he wasn't going to school.

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Speaker 1: He was at home in the lockdown exactly and teachers

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Speaker 1: are very good at mandated reporting, and our case load

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Speaker 1: would always jump in September when kids went back to school.

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Speaker 1: They're great. Anybody would have seen this, you know, looking

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Speaker 1: at it from a doctor's point of view on proving

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Speaker 1: child abuse is one thing. But any person that saw

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Speaker 1: this child would have suspected in their mind child abuse.

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Speaker 1: The question is would they have called the teachers, would

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Speaker 1: have that child would have probably been saved, although Gabriel

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Speaker 1: Fernandez had school teachers calling left and right, and he

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Speaker 1: still succumbed to the injury. So it's a tragedy anyway

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Speaker 1: you look at it. Frasier told the court Emrick's penis

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Speaker 1: appeared to have horrific trauma, like someone had left it

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Speaker 1: a tight rubber band around it. This is according to KATVB.

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Speaker 1: We see also the withholding a food and I saw that.

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Speaker 1: Let me go to doctor gen Mann joining us from

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Speaker 1: Serious XM. We saw that in the turping case in California,

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Speaker 1: where the parents would the House of Horrors, where the

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Speaker 1: parents would bring home pies from the deli and food

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Speaker 1: and they would eat it in front of the children

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Speaker 1: but not let them have food. They would starve the children.

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Speaker 1: Another form of not only mental and emotional abuse, but

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Speaker 1: physical abuse because they're starving the children. They did that

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Speaker 1: to this little boy too, exactly, and it's it's food

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Speaker 1: is a basic, primal need. We are wired, obviously to

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Speaker 1: need food. And when we are starved, when children are starved,

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Speaker 1: are our brains are less able to cope with trauma

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Speaker 1: and stress. We go into a survival mode. I mean,

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Speaker 1: this poor child just suffered on so many levels, and

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Speaker 1: these parents just hit and I don't even know like

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Speaker 1: calling them parents, but these these people just hit him

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Speaker 1: on so many levels of abuse, psychological, physical, deprivational, negless abuse, trauma.

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Speaker 1: It's just so overwhelming. Yeah, it's hard to ask you.

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Speaker 1: I want to ask Annginette Levia question. Isn't it true

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Speaker 1: that the father is now climbing mentally and comfidence he's

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Speaker 1: madly incompetent to stand trial. Yes, which is shocking because

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Speaker 1: he allowed this to go on. He's not accused of

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Speaker 1: actually participating, but he knew about it and didn't stop it.

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Speaker 1: How can that be? Jason Campo, he stood by and

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Speaker 1: let his bio's son be murdered at the hands of

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Speaker 1: his step of his wife, the child stepmother. How can

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Speaker 1: he now skate out of this thing? Differences between what

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Speaker 1: he did versus what she did everything is shown in

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Speaker 1: that in those two weeks of the nanny cams, I

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Speaker 1: think him trying to claim incompetence when he was the

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Speaker 1: one who ran around and collected all the nanny camps

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Speaker 1: to give to the friend to hide before the police

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Speaker 1: got there, shows that he knew exactly what was going on.

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Speaker 1: He should be up for capital murder just like she is.

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Speaker 1: Yes now, in this jurisdiction, Idaho, I'm pretty sure there

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Speaker 1: is a death penalty. We wait as justice unfolds. See

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Speaker 1: Gray's crime story signing off Goodbye Friend,