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Speaker 1: Some of the content of Patriots Unfiltered may not be

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Speaker 1: suitable for all audiences. Listener discretion is advised.

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Speaker 2: The world's a pigeon Podkay, Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered.

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Speaker 3: Paul, you might not like this, but the nerds level,

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Speaker 3: some of the nerds level.

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Speaker 4: Not being discriminatory against the nerds them all. I grew

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Speaker 4: up in New England, and unlike you young folks, I

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Speaker 4: didn't grow up with nothing.

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Speaker 3: But championships five years of my left.

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Speaker 2: Or the ten d's in the commons.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, the slaps you guys are doing there.

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Speaker 3: You know, as an undersized Caucasian man, I I thought, oh, well,

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Speaker 3: Wes Welcome made it in the NFL, why can't I. Stupidly,

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Speaker 3: very stupidly, I really felt like if I worked as

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Speaker 3: hard as he did and I could do it, I

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Speaker 3: truly believe that that, like, oh, there's a path for me.

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Speaker 3: Like I look at this just so.

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Speaker 4: You know, we are revisiting this when this is Patriots Unfiltered.

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Speaker 2: You're right, Paul, we already visited. Boy. You guys had

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Speaker 2: a good time while I was away, huh and Deuce

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Speaker 2: was away?

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Speaker 3: It's true.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what's the static? I'm here all right, what's going on?

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Speaker 2: I wanted to right off the bat, right off the bat?

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Speaker 6: I broke it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Is that so much of a Hawaiian influence?

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Speaker 2: All right, well it is Thursday here at Jillette Stadium.

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Speaker 4: No, Evan and I held down the fort just uh,

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Speaker 4: just fine. We did.

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Speaker 2: Probably me.

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Speaker 6: No one did that. Yeah, no one knocked us off there.

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Speaker 6: I think we lost it.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, I think it is Fred's mike because I

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Speaker 4: don't hear the static anymore. Can you guys hear me?

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Speaker 2: Now?

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Speaker 6: I'll hear you good?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, so what you do without friend, just.

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Speaker 4: Keep moving that around. It doesn't really affect any warning

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Speaker 4: population whatsoever.

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Speaker 3: Thirty seconds in there?

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Speaker 2: Can you hear me? Yeah?

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Speaker 6: Okay, all right, now we're good.

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Speaker 4: All right, Hey, yeah, here we are.

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Speaker 2: What's going on with these connections?

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Speaker 6: It's much better now?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, now the show is rusty without us?

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Speaker 4: All right? Little better news?

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Speaker 2: Okay, when he got that, we got got in your lock? Right?

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Speaker 2: What news? It's Deuce Evan, Paul myself, Matt. What's happened

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Speaker 2: when you were away?

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Speaker 6: Eric?

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Speaker 2: What's the news? What's the news?

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Speaker 6: They resigned you on?

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Speaker 4: Bentley?

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Speaker 3: Hadn't that happens you guys talk about catch twenty Yeah,

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Speaker 3: we talked about it happened during catch twenty two.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, do you catch twenty two today?

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Speaker 6: Or is that vacation?

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Speaker 2: No, vacation doesn't vacations.

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Speaker 7: He golfs, but he does a vacate.

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Speaker 2: Wait.

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Speaker 6: So, Evan, you know I got a comment on the

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Speaker 6: on your thing though.

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Speaker 7: Because you said like you were How did you put it?

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Speaker 7: You were I don't want to say short, but what

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Speaker 7: was the word you use for short? You're on your

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Speaker 7: Welker's undersized, but he was overly athletic.

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Speaker 4: Athletic?

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Speaker 3: Okay, is that what you're trying to say? Deuce you

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Speaker 3: guys have fun?

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Speaker 4: Are you?

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Speaker 6: Were you overly athletic?

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Speaker 4: Though? That was the question?

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Speaker 2: Listen, I I like overly analytic, like I said last.

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Speaker 3: Week there, I was not going to sit there and

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Speaker 3: compare myself to I don't know Randy Moss, Like, why

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Speaker 3: would rock the eighty three West Welker Jersey all the

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Speaker 3: time to games, you.

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Speaker 6: Got like the real size and it looked perfectly normal.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, exactly like I filled it out perfectly just

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Speaker 2: Played Division one high I did the same thing.

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Speaker 6: I was just gonna play.

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Speaker 2: Division one baseball. Did you ever have any pro aspirations?

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Speaker 6: Well, that's I was just gonna say.

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Speaker 7: And like, I mean, yeah, I played college hockey, but

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Speaker 7: playing hockey in high school, anybody who was six foot

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Speaker 4: He's not playing in NHL now.

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Speaker 6: But that was my whole thing.

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Speaker 7: I'm like, oh, if I was just six ' four,

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Speaker 7: I would get drafted. Meanwhile, I'm making the same mistake Evan.

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Speaker 7: It's like, you know, you actually have to be talented.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't really like I was bigger than Rayborn.

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Speaker 4: Fairness to you, hal Gil was a shoemaker.

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Speaker 7: He was terrible, and I think I said before he

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Speaker 7: lit me up in Summer League one time, I thought

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Speaker 7: I broke my job because he's so big, like his

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Speaker 7: elbow was just right into your face.

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Speaker 4: So I'm with you.

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Speaker 3: I guess listen, I was, you know, I think two

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Speaker 3: mentioned in basketball the guy was JJ Riddick, Like I

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Speaker 7: I know exactly what routes to run every time, Like,

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Speaker 3: No, that's no, it didn't work out.

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Speaker 2: He looks to say, I just have to say. NFL

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Speaker 2: Network right now has a feature on Larry Zanka and he's,

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Speaker 2: you know, in a in a river with waiters fishing

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Speaker 2: you've got to be using a fly rod fishing. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Oh it's not a weak time, big time, big time.

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Speaker 3: I just learned something I.

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Speaker 2: Just can't you know, I want to learn more about fishing.

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Speaker 2: You might as well just set grenades off and wait

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Speaker 4: You know? Does that I don't. I don't know fishing.

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Speaker 4: I didn't get it untitally the grenades.

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Speaker 2: I mean, like if you if you're fishing for bass, okay,

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Speaker 4: Can fish like a man.

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Speaker 2: You hat a fly ride, right, You would know. Ted

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Speaker 7: I'd love to try to fit fly fish. So that's

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Speaker 2: When you're fly fishing, that's all you're thinking about. Yeah,

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Speaker 7: Have to, because you have to watch the water nowhere,

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Speaker 7: and you got to make it kind of dance.

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Speaker 2: A little bit. You're constantly doing something. It's not like

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Speaker 2: you just sit and fish.

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Speaker 7: Your sounds a lot better than just I mean, both

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Speaker 3: But quiet time, time in the water, it's great.

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Speaker 6: Well, they were they are the only undefeated team so

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Speaker 6: and I don't know if you've ever seen it.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if you've ever seen any features on that,

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Speaker 4: but I think that's what this this is on NFL

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Speaker 4: So they had all kinds of stuff. They had America's games,

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Speaker 6: But this week they look like.

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Speaker 4: They're showing some memorable Week one games just random. I

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Speaker 4: watched like a Dallas Washington game from ninety nine. But

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Speaker 4: you know what I got last night? You know what

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Speaker 4: I got last night, dude?

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Speaker 6: Which one? Which one? Nineteen ninety four we won Dan Marino.

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Speaker 4: Marino Bledsoe shootout thirty nine, thirty five loss for the Patriots.

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Speaker 3: Now that was your two.

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Speaker 4: It was week one of his second year, and if

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Speaker 4: not for kind of a fluky Ben Cots fumble, they

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Speaker 3: Like Nelson Aguilargins the Ravens last year.

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean you talk about it was kind of

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Speaker 7: Don't you feel like that's the game Mac Jones is

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Speaker 7: still looking for. That's the game of Like, yeah, it

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Speaker 6: Q I was just going down the stown, you know.

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Speaker 2: But no, but it's a good point. I think we

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Speaker 2: are still looking for that game from Mac.

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Speaker 6: And in fairness, Drew lost.

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Speaker 7: No, No, but but even in right, like I mean,

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Speaker 7: but he showed he threw for four hundred yards and

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Speaker 7: four touchdowns.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he could go toe to toe with the passer

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Speaker 2: in his time, yeah, Marino, you know.

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Speaker 6: And and how was the connection with Ben Coates right

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Speaker 7: Was that something that was instant or was that something

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Speaker 4: No, like I think his first yeah, his first career

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Speaker 4: touchdown pass was to Ben Coates. Yeah, in ninety three,

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Speaker 4: Week one ninety three at Buffalo.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of man, what do we make of this picture

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Speaker 2: of him Brady and mccordy.

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Speaker 6: I didn't see it.

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Speaker 2: Oh really they are?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, what's the picture?

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Speaker 6: I don't know. I'm having problems at the White Party?

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Speaker 2: Was at.

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Speaker 3: Was back at the White Party.

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Speaker 4: This was a separate but Williams was at the White

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Speaker 4: Party and then he got traded like two days later.

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Speaker 6: Everybody he was at the White Party. I'm looking at it.

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Speaker 3: Well, Grant Williams was attic event here with Jason Tatum

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Speaker 3: last week.

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Speaker 2: So Ruben probably.

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Speaker 6: Come with Jason if you want.

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Speaker 7: Did Alex is not how that works? Did Alex stock

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Speaker 7: Jason Tatum while he was here for that?

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Speaker 3: We did have a conversation about that. I was a

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Speaker 2: But I guess this fanatics are going to be doing

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Speaker 2: You know, that's where he started.

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Speaker 7: Did you see all the all the people that was

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Speaker 2: Yeah, cool, I hate everybody that's there.

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Speaker 3: They're all so fred You've been strong there because you'd

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Speaker 3: have mustard all over your white right, Like I don't got.

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Speaker 4: No white store.

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Speaker 2: And I heard that they had like white makes you

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Speaker 4: I heard they had pizza pizza.

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Speaker 2: They got pizza white pizza because I hate white pizza.

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Speaker 6: I totally agree.

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Speaker 4: That's one of the last Like why don't you just

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Speaker 4: that would be all over Fred's shirt.

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Speaker 2: God, easily, that would be just the.

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Speaker 3: Meatball just comes out and splat, splats flat right down.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So there was a a certain celebrity, female celebrity that

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Speaker 4: Is that who you're talking about.

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Speaker 3: Really, Kim Kardashian. There's been multiple bread crumbs at this point,

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Speaker 6: That's too much.

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Speaker 7: Come on, you're getting clinging on me here at can.

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Speaker 3: And and then she was at this at at Michael

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Speaker 2: Well post all the people cannot be involved with she

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Speaker 2: tops the list. I mean, it's just trouble from the

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Speaker 7: I mean, you feel like you're part of a marketing campaign.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you really like, Oh, come on.

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Speaker 7: That's why Tom's probably trying to play it cool, like

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Speaker 3: I'm just saying every time I get that their celebrities

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Speaker 3: week one, Brady, right here we learn all of a sudden,

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Speaker 3: you know, you get a chair.

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Speaker 2: Get he brought us that whole clan.

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Speaker 7: Well, there's other things I blame on OJ, but.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, anyway, eight five five past five hundred is the

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Speaker 4: A lot of options for Tom Brady to actually upgrade

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Speaker 6: I know, I know he got one of the only ones.

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Speaker 4: That Kim Kardashian's net worth is significantly greater than Jiselle's.

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Speaker 7: That'd be about more than money for him, now, right,

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Speaker 7: come on, Tom.

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Speaker 3: Is it you also have a little bit of a

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Speaker 4: Okay, I tried with the right on your own time.

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Speaker 2: John Bentley.

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Speaker 3: We do have details on DeVante Parker's contract now he

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Speaker 3: outline exactly. And also DeAndre Hopkins tweeting or actually threading

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Speaker 3: threaded it, threaded it the new one that unfortunately he

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Speaker 3: got some bad clam chowder on his visit here at

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Speaker 2: That's a terrible way to say hello to New England.

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Speaker 3: He according to him on thread threads threads by Instagram.

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Speaker 3: He uh didn't know there was bacon bits in the

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Speaker 3: part of case.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't a bad clam.

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Speaker 3: No, it wasn't. Pork is not part of his diet.

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Speaker 3: So he hasn't eaten pork. And he said eight years

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Speaker 7: Patriots are out Patriots A. I don't like the pork.

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Speaker 7: I don't like the bacon in the clam chowder. Not

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Speaker 7: we're not on my watch. Down the cap there's no

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Speaker 2: I've had it before. There was a Boston place that

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Speaker 7: Mean, I've had it, but I feel like pure clam

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Speaker 7: chowder for me, like where I grew up having it.

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Speaker 4: But they had a lot in uh In La.

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Speaker 7: There was bacon in the clam chowder out there, a lot. Yeah,

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Speaker 7: there was a place called the Northern Spying Camp. That's

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Speaker 7: a good, good place, but they put bacon in. It's

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Speaker 7: real good, but I have to say no bacon.

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Speaker 6: But sorry, DeAndre.

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Speaker 8: How much of this chowder did he eat before he

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Speaker 2: Yeah, plus how much this is delicious, plus how much.

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Speaker 3: I'm just reading the threads. All right, that's it. That's all.

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Speaker 3: I sure was that Verified.

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Speaker 4: Need someone to read the threats. So I don't know

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Speaker 2: I mean, unless it's really quiet. It sounds like he's

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Speaker 2: it's you know, people being really quiet about it. No

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Speaker 4: Which I think Follower actually reported. It's just Tennessee and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's good for us.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I got to take something back to I.

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Speaker 7: I called into the show from from the shores of

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Speaker 7: like I just don't think it's enough right now. To

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Speaker 2: Forget about the name of the player. It sounds like

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Speaker 4: Yes, you know, I mean especially those are kind two

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Speaker 4: DeAndre Hopkins. I think Mike and Evan have been talking

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Speaker 2: No, I get I get it. But if you're going

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Speaker 6: I agree, I think that would make sense.

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Speaker 7: I don't think you can ignore the depth either, I mean,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think they have enough wide receivers currently

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Speaker 6: I think you need a lot of body.

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Speaker 4: There's a lot of running at that position in camp,

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Speaker 6: When Thornton and.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, and then you put ed Lee in there or

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Speaker 6: To training camp. But I think it's I think it's true.

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Speaker 2: And I you.

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Speaker 7: Know, just the more you kind of step back, like

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Speaker 4: So you were away when that happened, Right to Parker extension,

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Speaker 7: The guys who are willing to take incentive lative deals

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Speaker 7: I mean we've said it a hundred times. They like

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Speaker 7: I think that he has a role within the offense,

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Speaker 7: Like to Fred's point, you know, if one of these

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Speaker 7: he's never going to be able to man, we got

447
00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:33,960
Speaker 7: to you know, I'd even feel better about Borne. He's

448
00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:37,080
Speaker 7: not versatile and being more versatile and within the offense

449
00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:39,040
Speaker 7: than Parker. Like and if you get stuck with just

450
00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:41,480
Speaker 7: Mac and Parker is your main guys, it's you know,

451
00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:44,199
Speaker 7: in Gasicki and Henry, it's like, man, this is not

452
00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:44,920
Speaker 7: a dynamic.

453
00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:47,119
Speaker 4: And there are guys now on my show it's Freddy

454
00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:50,840
Speaker 4: that are sort of, you know, reading between the lines.

455
00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:53,240
Speaker 4: If Hopkins comes, they think that Bourne might go, and

456
00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:55,680
Speaker 4: they're not that's not the guy that they would have chosen.

457
00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:56,280
Speaker 9: Yeah.

458
00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:58,600
Speaker 4: Now, I don't know that you necessarily have to get

459
00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:00,840
Speaker 4: rid of anybody yet, Like we just about the depth,

460
00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:02,640
Speaker 4: so you could keep them all and figure it out.

461
00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:05,880
Speaker 4: But what I what I didn't like about the Parker thing.

462
00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:09,640
Speaker 4: And Evan and I talked about this Tuesday and Thursday

463
00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:12,359
Speaker 4: last week, and I think we're in agreement. It's not like,

464
00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:15,720
Speaker 4: oh my god, you just set the organization back ten

465
00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:18,680
Speaker 4: years or oh man, you're really setting everything up. You're

466
00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:20,680
Speaker 4: paving the way for Hopkins. We don't think it's either

467
00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:23,200
Speaker 4: one of those extremes. Yeah, Like I was just kind

468
00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:23,520
Speaker 4: of there.

469
00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:25,679
Speaker 2: I wouldn't read into it that much. You have to

470
00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:28,840
Speaker 2: do this, you know, but every year with certain I.

471
00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:33,320
Speaker 4: Don't really understand why. Now my concern is this is

472
00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:35,080
Speaker 4: that comment that I said, I grew up in New

473
00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:37,560
Speaker 4: England and I've been, you know, sort of worried about

474
00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:39,760
Speaker 4: you know, I didn't get have the luxury of winning

475
00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:42,400
Speaker 4: a title every year of my life. What I would

476
00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:44,359
Speaker 4: worry about is what you kind of talked about with

477
00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:46,960
Speaker 4: those two kids not popping at all at Mini Caamp,

478
00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:52,080
Speaker 4: Booty and Douglas. I would think that if they showed

479
00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:55,199
Speaker 4: a lot of promise for some other young receiver, it'd

480
00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:57,080
Speaker 4: shown a lot of promise. I don't think this would

481
00:19:57,160 --> 00:19:59,640
Speaker 4: necessarily be a movie you'd be willing to make or looking.

482
00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:03,520
Speaker 4: To me, there was no need to extend a thirty

483
00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:09,240
Speaker 4: year old receiver coming off injury. Okay, okay season where

484
00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:12,720
Speaker 4: he was a complimentary piece. My feeling is Belichick probably

485
00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:15,360
Speaker 4: felt like, yeah, I need to have some receivers next

486
00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:17,399
Speaker 4: year that I know that I can rely on it.

487
00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:18,080
Speaker 6: That's not good.

488
00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:20,800
Speaker 2: But didn't they didn't they free up some cap space

489
00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:24,160
Speaker 2: and isn't it incentive laden so you can talk about it.

490
00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:25,280
Speaker 6: Gets more money than you would have.

491
00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:27,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, if he does certain things.

492
00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:30,800
Speaker 3: No, No, well, there is the salary is guaranteed money.

493
00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:33,040
Speaker 2: Well this year he made next year, and.

494
00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:35,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, well there's new money on the contract. It is,

495
00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:39,160
Speaker 3: it's it's a real extension. So basically it's a three year,

496
00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:42,760
Speaker 3: seventeen million dollar base value contract.

497
00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:45,120
Speaker 4: Not thirty three million, but it's more than five point

498
00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:46,600
Speaker 4: eight which was what he was going to get.

499
00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:50,040
Speaker 3: It's it's you know, it is in terms of the

500
00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:52,920
Speaker 3: new money that's on the contract the next two years,

501
00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:55,000
Speaker 3: but it's about the same money that he was getting

502
00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,840
Speaker 3: on a per year basis. But the problem is, I think,

503
00:20:58,240 --> 00:20:59,560
Speaker 3: I don't know if I'll call it a problem, but

504
00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:02,320
Speaker 3: it it basically guarantees his roster spot for the next

505
00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:06,280
Speaker 3: two years. Essentially, Like I think next year, they probably

506
00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:08,600
Speaker 3: will be able to move on if they absolutely need

507
00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:11,920
Speaker 3: to or want to, but they would carry some dead money.

508
00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:18,040
Speaker 4: It'd be like three something million dollars guaranteed next Yeah.

509
00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:20,760
Speaker 6: Well that's that's that's the thing that I'm most interested in. Fred.

510
00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:22,359
Speaker 7: That came on the last couple of days, And I

511
00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:25,159
Speaker 7: apologize for where I where I saw it, but somebody

512
00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:29,000
Speaker 7: kind of ranked like teams, future cap space all that

513
00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:29,560
Speaker 7: kind of stuff.

514
00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:31,000
Speaker 3: I don't know, you know what I'm talking about that,

515
00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:34,200
Speaker 3: and somebody posted, yeah, I think there's an ESPN plus

516
00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:35,000
Speaker 3: or one of those.

517
00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:38,600
Speaker 7: Like, but it's like the Patriots have like more money

518
00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:41,359
Speaker 7: in cap space over the next few years than anybody else.

519
00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:44,240
Speaker 7: And it's just and it's like in one part and

520
00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:46,040
Speaker 7: I know that, like the guaranteed money thing is kind

521
00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:47,920
Speaker 7: of a conversation on Paul's shows, you know, the the

522
00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:49,640
Speaker 7: amount of cash spending that they've been doing.

523
00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:52,000
Speaker 6: I know that's been a thing too, But it's just

524
00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:53,280
Speaker 6: what is.

525
00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:55,320
Speaker 7: The answer to all this because in one hand, you

526
00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:58,000
Speaker 7: don't really you haven't really had the players like to extend.

527
00:21:58,040 --> 00:21:59,720
Speaker 7: Like it's fine to say, well, I wish they would

528
00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:02,520
Speaker 7: spend more cash. We'll find on who like you really

529
00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:05,479
Speaker 7: wish that they had extended player what Like I mean,

530
00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:06,680
Speaker 7: is there anybody tuger?

531
00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:10,120
Speaker 3: So that's the next one coming up, So that should.

532
00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:13,240
Speaker 7: Be where it goes, right, But they seem reticent to

533
00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:15,000
Speaker 7: do it, Like I don't know, maybe they're trying.

534
00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:17,000
Speaker 3: To have so much cap space because they don't have.

535
00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:19,359
Speaker 4: They don't have to play good players, right, And what

536
00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:21,840
Speaker 4: I like about like, and I do think, you know,

537
00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:24,280
Speaker 4: we can look at these two deals and the three

538
00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:27,280
Speaker 4: of us were just talking about this upstairs. I like

539
00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:33,560
Speaker 4: the idea of Bentley, you know, not like this, you know, multifaceted, uber,

540
00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:36,520
Speaker 4: athletic inside linebacker. He's not that, that's not what he is.

541
00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:38,920
Speaker 4: But I like the fact that they identify a guy

542
00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:41,879
Speaker 4: that works in their system, that performs a role, and

543
00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:45,439
Speaker 4: more importantly, is a leader and maybe a bridge to

544
00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:48,560
Speaker 4: that next group of leadership. You know, he's been a captain.

545
00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:51,080
Speaker 4: Now you're locking him up to stay. He was getting

546
00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:53,080
Speaker 4: during the final year of his deal too, so now

547
00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:56,800
Speaker 4: he's locked up to stay for two more years. And

548
00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:58,560
Speaker 4: I think that you can look at him and say,

549
00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:01,560
Speaker 4: I know the defense has at least one leader, and

550
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:04,440
Speaker 4: I'm kind of hoping that that Kyle dugger is one

551
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:06,119
Speaker 4: of those guys too. I don't know how much of

552
00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:08,880
Speaker 4: an outgoing leader he is when we talk to him.

553
00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:12,240
Speaker 4: He doesn't really seem like he's it's more like high tower. Yeah,

554
00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:15,920
Speaker 4: But I like that, like think about that secondary potentially,

555
00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:20,879
Speaker 4: if not in twenty four and twenty five, it's Christian Gonzalez,

556
00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:24,199
Speaker 4: it's Marcus Jones, who knows what Jack Jones, It's Marte

557
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:30,080
Speaker 4: Marpoo Mapoo sorry, and hopefully Kyle Duggar and then who

558
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:31,720
Speaker 4: would you think would be the leader of a group

559
00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,399
Speaker 4: like that in year three, right, year four, like it

560
00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:36,720
Speaker 4: would be the six year guy in Duggar at that time.

561
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:40,399
Speaker 4: I think it's important to try to continue that, you know,

562
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:41,600
Speaker 4: that dynamic.

563
00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:44,760
Speaker 2: It's important to have nucleus guys, you know, like with Bentley,

564
00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:47,440
Speaker 2: you know, you get him signed up, he's all in,

565
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:51,280
Speaker 2: he's your guy. He comes in starting training camp as

566
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:55,159
Speaker 2: one of your circle the wagon guys. You know, he

567
00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:57,920
Speaker 2: doesn't have to worry about the money anymore's contract, he's

568
00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:01,520
Speaker 2: he's all set, he's he's bought in. And you know,

569
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:03,919
Speaker 2: the more guys you can have like that, the better.

570
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:05,320
Speaker 3: Which is what kind of impact does it have in

571
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:07,720
Speaker 3: the locker room too? Of you know, and this goes.

572
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:09,760
Speaker 7: To like my thing with with Bentley was like you

573
00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:12,000
Speaker 7: couldn't have just like you keep stringing him along on

574
00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:15,400
Speaker 7: two year deals, Like no, Bentley wasn't going anywhere else,

575
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:17,280
Speaker 7: like I think anytime we talked about him. You know

576
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:20,120
Speaker 7: that again, like Parker, he has more value here than

577
00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:23,200
Speaker 7: he probably does anywhere else. And and to agree with Paul,

578
00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:25,320
Speaker 7: I mean, I think he's a great piece like I do.

579
00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:28,119
Speaker 7: I think that he's great against Lamar Jackson's in the world. No,

580
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:30,560
Speaker 7: I think that's probably like you're starting to think, hey,

581
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,160
Speaker 7: we hope that Marty Mattpu can be you know, one

582
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:35,280
Speaker 7: of those mobile inside guys that can stick with him.

583
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:37,399
Speaker 7: But I think he's got a role one hundred percent

584
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:39,680
Speaker 7: on the team. But I just wonder if you don't

585
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 7: extend Kyle Duggart, the guys start to say, like, look,

586
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,119
Speaker 7: no matter how well I play here, even if I

587
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:47,439
Speaker 7: get a contract, they're probably gonna low ball me. And

588
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:49,080
Speaker 7: it's gonna be a two year deal and there's gonna

589
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:51,120
Speaker 7: be a bunch of incentives in it, and no thanks,

590
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:51,800
Speaker 7: Like I don't.

591
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:53,480
Speaker 4: Want to be a past Like I started thinking back,

592
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:56,080
Speaker 4: and it's always dangerous because then I always forget guys

593
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 4: when I do this. But like I was thinking of, like, well,

594
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:01,760
Speaker 4: these are the kinds of move Who's Bentley Parker. It

595
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,960
Speaker 4: was like a Jarvis Green, you know, valuable guy, good piece.

596
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:08,119
Speaker 4: Let's let's not even let him get to free agency.

597
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:11,199
Speaker 4: Let's let's lock him up. But Douger to me is

598
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:14,960
Speaker 4: more of like a Mike Rabel, you know, let's not

599
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 4: even let him get to free agency, let's lock him up.

600
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 2: Well, maybe little bit harder to do. Yeah, and that exactly.

601
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 2: Maybe the fact that they haven't signed Dougger yet means

602
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 2: it's a little bit more complicated than these other No.

603
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,639
Speaker 4: This this big money there. Ye, you know, Douglas going

604
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:29,639
Speaker 4: to get a decent contract. I think a guy like

605
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,920
Speaker 4: josh Uja, you know, depending on what he does, he's

606
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,160
Speaker 4: going to break the bank. If he has another double

607
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 4: digit sack season, he's going to be very valuable as

608
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:41,280
Speaker 4: an edge rusher with back to back ten plus sax seasons.

609
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:43,720
Speaker 4: So I get that if they you have to pick,

610
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,720
Speaker 4: you can't have everybody, you know, Michael, when you I

611
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:50,119
Speaker 4: would read the tea leaves and say they've drafted I

612
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 4: don't know, five interior offensive lineman the next the last

613
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 4: two drafts. My guess is they're going to be pretty

614
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 4: comfortable that one of those guys will be able to

615
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:01,119
Speaker 4: step in for a when you if when you was

616
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 4: like one of those sixty million dollar guards. I think

617
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:06,359
Speaker 4: they've been down that road with Shack and total in

618
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 4: Joe Toney. My guess is they probably don't want to

619
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 4: go down there again totally, even though when you's been excellent.

620
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:13,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but all them as I sat upstairs.

621
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:15,159
Speaker 7: I said it probably for It's like if you had

622
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:16,879
Speaker 7: to pick a position in football that you need to

623
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:19,399
Speaker 7: figure out, right guard, right tackle, those are probably the

624
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 7: two places I.

625
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 6: Am going to start. I know you probably start with kicker.

626
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 2: Paul, but.

627
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:27,159
Speaker 4: You know, either that or you know, just you know

628
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 4: running back.

629
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 3: Well, guards and running backs are kind of similar, right

630
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 3: in terms of the entertainability. But I just think with

631
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 3: bent Parker I have much different opinion on in terms

632
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:40,119
Speaker 3: of the contract, but with Bentley, like you have to

633
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 3: at some point start building a nucleus of core players,

634
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 3: Like you can't just keep recycling every four years. And

635
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 3: you know, I think that a lot of the talk is,

636
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 3: well they don't. They're not drafting linebackers, so now they

637
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 3: just are forced to kind of keep Bentley in the fold.

638
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:56,880
Speaker 3: And it's like, at some point you got to keep

639
00:26:56,920 --> 00:27:00,240
Speaker 3: some guys around, Like you can't just keep on recycling

640
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,359
Speaker 3: players every four years in the draft and just trying

641
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 3: to go about it that way. You have to have leaders.

642
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 3: You have to have guys that buy into the system,

643
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 3: that understand the defense, understand the culture, understand the program,

644
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 3: and are going to be leaders for you in the

645
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 3: locker room. You have to at least a handful and

646
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 3: are those types of guys. Yeah, and he's really one

647
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 3: of those guys. I also think he's kind of an

648
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 3: underrated player. Like I know, he's not what everybody wants.

649
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:25,879
Speaker 3: He's not Fred Warner, he's not Matt Milano, he's not

650
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 3: this two hundred and thirty pound athletic, rangy coverage linebacker.

651
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 3: But for what they need that position, in that role

652
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 3: in this defense to do, he's really really good at it.

653
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,160
Speaker 4: Yep. I like my guys missed it was a lot

654
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,160
Speaker 4: of agreeing. Yeah, and Paul last week, you guys missed it.

655
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 6: Well, I mean, I think good stuff.

656
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 7: It's it's it's one of those things where I think

657
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 7: we're seeing, you know, through the similar lens right now

658
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:50,680
Speaker 7: of especially the Dugger situation, and it's you know, it's

659
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 7: it's just it's hard because you say Dugger and Ooja

660
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,159
Speaker 7: and then who, like, like you know, who else is

661
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 7: going to deserve a chunk of this money, you know,

662
00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:02,439
Speaker 7: cap space that they have coming up, and you know,

663
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 7: and I just I don't think that Bill is necessarily

664
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,639
Speaker 7: planning it this way, but I just can't help but

665
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 7: think that if he were to depart that it's kind

666
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,199
Speaker 7: of a clean slate for whoever's next. There's not a

667
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:16,119
Speaker 7: bunch of cap commitments to guys that you know that

668
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:17,679
Speaker 7: somebody else may or may not like.

669
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 6: Probably reading too much into that, but I don't know.

670
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:23,119
Speaker 7: It's just it seems like they're in good shape if

671
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 7: if they needed to turn things over soon, that they

672
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 7: could do it pretty easily.

673
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 2: All right. Eight five five Pats five hundred is the

674
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 2: ACE ticket hout line web radio and Patriots. Patriots what

675
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 2: you want? Yeah, a little patriots, Little patriots?

676
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:36,640
Speaker 6: Can I I got two things.

677
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 7: I gotta give a shout out to Steve from Rancho

678
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,479
Speaker 7: Kokamonga who spotted me in Maui and it said he's

679
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 7: a big fan of the show.

680
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 3: So it's one of the first times I've been out

681
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 3: in public.

682
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 2: I think I remember his email.

683
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 6: I told him.

684
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 4: Remember email from Rancho Ku Yeah, because that isn't that

685
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 4: where Patty Chung was from, right?

686
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 2: Maybe?

687
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 4: Yeah?

688
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 2: Maybe?

689
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 7: I also watched Adi for Brady on the plane. Well,

690
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 7: I wouldn't say I watched it. I kind of scan

691
00:28:59,000 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 7: through it.

692
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 2: I watched it too. Oh, by the way, I went

693
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 2: to see Asteroid City. Awful, awful, and I like Wes

694
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 2: Anderson movies. Mostly this was terrible.

695
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 6: I've lost him.

696
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 7: I love the Bottle Rocket is one of his first ones,

697
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 7: was like one of my all time favorite movies. And

698
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 7: Royal Tenon Bombs was good to be good. It's kind

699
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 7: of funny. It's like Ohen Wilson's first movie. They're like

700
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 7: small time inept crooks. But but I did enjoy just

701
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 7: watching the end of eighty for Brady and kind of

702
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 7: reliving the game.

703
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 3: And no, no, you the it's not the end, that's

704
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 3: the client I skipped out before the the Benedict Arnold's

705
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 3: in the at the end. It was it was every

706
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 3: cliche in the book.

707
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 6: I thought Gronk was really funny though, like just his

708
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 6: little bit.

709
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 7: But man, Brady can't act like it's just he's He's

710
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 7: just such a bad actor.

711
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 6: But it did remind me of like just.

712
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 7: Watching it and I'm like, look, the Patriots, they'll maybe

713
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 7: win another Super Bowl. It'll never be like that again,

714
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 7: Like it'll never be that ridiculously over the top, intense dramatic,

715
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 7: you know, just the way that that team was some

716
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 7: of those some of those I mean no, and I

717
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 7: mean it in a good way, Like I felt like

718
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 7: kind of re energized coming back of just like man,

719
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 7: it was it was really cool. It's different now for sure,

720
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 7: but you know, just the way that that game unfolded,

721
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 7: it's still it's just it it blows around.

722
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 2: That was magic, you know. I don't I still can't

723
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 2: believe what I saw, right.

724
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 7: I mean every time you see it you can't believe,

725
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 7: especially when you're watching it through like the eyes of

726
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 7: Jane Fauna.

727
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 2: My god, the.

728
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 6: Guy Fieri scene, I mean, there's so much.

729
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 7: The other thing was like, you know, they put like

730
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 7: the two guys on there that were like kind of

731
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 7: like the Fitzy Like it seemed like they were doing

732
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 7: one of Me and FITZI shows and like they couldn't

733
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 7: have gotten us.

734
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 3: But that was like I don't know, Yeah, why didn't

735
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 3: they hire you?

736
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:43,239
Speaker 6: And it's like, wow, watched you if you were in it?

737
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 3: Well, the guys that they got, because they were terrible.

738
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 7: It was like they just sat him down and like,

739
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 7: I don't know, just do some Boston stuff and I

740
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 7: couldn't like the accents, like.

741
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 3: The like we were available. Just called right, Robert Coudrey,

742
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 3: Like you your phone, Boston.

743
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 7: You should know if you just don't do an accident.

744
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 6: It's better than trying to do a Boston accent.

745
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 7: Been doing a bad Boston accent where every every r

746
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 7: is Ah.

747
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 6: That was bad, but but it was fun. I just

748
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 6: kind of like, you know it, Scanter, like, oh guy here,

749
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 6: And then got to the game.

750
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:11,959
Speaker 7: I'm like, all right, we'll watch this now.

751
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 2: But it wasn't good.

752
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 3: But so you didn't see the end. You told me.

753
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 3: You told me about that, so I tapped out before that.

754
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 6: I think I think we had.

755
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 3: If I had known, I would have done the same.

756
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 7: My oly question was, I don't think they said the

757
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 7: word Belichick once in the whole movie.

758
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 3: He was in it. He was in it twice, like

759
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 3: like a shot of him right walking walking sideline and

760
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 3: then there was one of him walking into the tunnel

761
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 3: like before the game.

762
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I ever.

763
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 6: Talked about him.

764
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 3: It was always the Patriots, And you know, I did

765
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 3: have some notes.

766
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 7: I had some notes on the script, you know, I'm like,

767
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 7: all right, so they're they're lifelong fans watching the game.

768
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 6: In the opening of the movie, they all have brand

769
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 6: new Brady jerseys on.

770
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 7: I'm like, can we get one of these ladies who's

771
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 7: had like a worn torn good you know, and then

772
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 7: when you flip them at the end and they start

773
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 7: wearing the bedazzled ones, like you know, then it has

774
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:54,479
Speaker 7: a little pops a little more.

775
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 3: That's you know, Hollywood, Deuce have for a second there

776
00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 3: raised the stake ghost.

777
00:31:58,400 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 4: That's a good point.

778
00:31:59,520 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 2: It is.

779
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, the only person on the planet is concerned with

780
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 4: what year the shirt was.

781
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 7: But like, if you're a lifelong fan, wouldn't you And

782
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 7: this is like a tradition to them, And it looks

783
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 7: like they just you know, open that the shirts from fanatics,

784
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 7: like all.

785
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 4: Lifelong fans have to be like Fireman ad and wear

786
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 4: a shirt that's like.

787
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 6: Fifty years old.

788
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 2: Chances are you would have one that you wear every

789
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 2: game and it's a little bit beat up.

790
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 3: I would also hope that lifelong fans would not jump

791
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 3: ship to Tampa Bay as soon as Tom Brady left.

792
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 6: You know, that's fine. I'm glad it was made.

793
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 4: I'm glad it.

794
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 2: Exists, all right, pass five hundred days taken out the one.

795
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 4: Person I know that says that I'm glad it exists.

796
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 2: Let's let's turn to the listeners, see what's on everyone's mind.

797
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 2: We'll go to Todd, North Carolina, what's up, Todd?

798
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 10: So I was thinking about this for a while. You

799
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 10: take a look at pradition, Patricia, You take a look

800
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 10: at McDaniels. They take a look a lot of the

801
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 10: coaches that have left here, and you know, they probably

802
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 10: kind of have a legacy because they've been here for

803
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 10: several Super Bowls and stuff, But how much of their

804
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 10: how much of their legacy their success is just tied

805
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 10: to being a part of the Patriots and having Bill

806
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 10: there and maybe Tom there and just having this organization,

807
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 10: and then when they get out, they just don't seem

808
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 10: to perform, Like what do you think is going on

809
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 10: with that? You know, that inability to make it work

810
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 10: outside this the site? So and could you please send

811
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 10: me back because I was going to buy you guys lunch,

812
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 10: but young, you should put me on hold too quick?

813
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 2: All right?

814
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:24,479
Speaker 7: Oh well make sure you do that for I don't hit,

815
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 7: don't no, no, I'll hit, don't drop it, Okay, he's

816
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 7: on Hope.

817
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 4: I mean, I think all of their success is tied

818
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 4: to the I don't mean to be disrespectful, but these

819
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 4: guys haven't had really any success outside of New England. Yeah,

820
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 4: Patricia McDaniels, I think.

821
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 2: Yet I think Manginie would have had he not been

822
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 2: blackballed by the league, you know, but I don't.

823
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 4: I don't agree with that at all. You had time

824
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 4: to do it in New York. He had another opportunity

825
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 4: in Cleveland.

826
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 2: Well, I say, I think he would have. I think

827
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 2: he would have been good.

828
00:33:58,640 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 6: But he got another job after.

829
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 2: We think Ryan Dabele is having success.

830
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 6: Yep, he was here a couple of times.

831
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:08,280
Speaker 7: Can we claim him, yeah, I mean I would claim

832
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 7: Brian Dable, Yeah he was.

833
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 4: He was just like Josh McDaniels. They came in as

834
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 4: coaching assistance in two thousand, right, but he was never

835
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 4: he was never the coordinator here. He was always a

836
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 4: position coach here.

837
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 2: But you know, I don't know he learned under Bill,

838
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:24,400
Speaker 2: I would say, and he had success.

839
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:25,879
Speaker 6: It's hard.

840
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 7: I mean, do you guys have a different at all

841
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,320
Speaker 7: perspective of Josh McDaniel's after last season?

842
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 6: As I thinking about it a little bit, I.

843
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:34,479
Speaker 7: Feel like I have a little bit more appreciation for,

844
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 7: you know, what he did as far as keeping the offense.

845
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:42,879
Speaker 2: I always had and I still think I think he's

846
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 2: got a chance to be a good head coach. It's

847
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 2: just it's gonna take time. You know, it's hard.

848
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 6: I mean, I don't know.

849
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 4: He's got a year just so you know, because if

850
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 4: he flames out this year and gets fired, he's probably

851
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 4: not going to get a third chance.

852
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,280
Speaker 2: I don't know. Do you think Mark Davis would fire.

853
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 3: Him can afford it.

854
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 4: If he could have afford it, he would have fired

855
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:05,880
Speaker 4: him last year. Hey, And I'm not telling you I

856
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 4: thought he should have been fired because I don't. But

857
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 4: I think if Mark Davis could have afforded it, he'd

858
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 4: have been gone.

859
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

860
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,799
Speaker 3: I'm a big McDaniels fan, Like I think that he's

861
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 3: a really, really good offensive coach. But the one thing

862
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 3: about him is that you play his system like his

863
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 3: system is his system, and whether you're Tom Brady, you're

864
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 3: Mac Jones, you're Cam Newton, like you figure it out,

865
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 3: you play what I tell you to do. And I

866
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 3: think that that's where he's maybe run into some trouble

867
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 3: in other places, is getting the right people in place

868
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 3: to play that system, especially at the quarterback position. And

869
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 3: even last year Derek Carr had issues with it, didn't

870
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 3: love it. There's some pushback there of what they were

871
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 3: asking him to do. So That's the one thing about

872
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 3: McDaniels is like he's he's.

873
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 6: Gonna go, he's gonna he's gonna do.

874
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 3: He's gonna go down with the ship if it is.

875
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 4: And I also think he's impatient with with that stuff

876
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:57,319
Speaker 4: that you guys are talking about.

877
00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 7: Well, it's just I mean, it's interesting to me that

878
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:01,839
Speaker 7: the two situations that he's gone to outside.

879
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 6: Of New England mirror each other.

880
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 7: You know, so closely, that he's going to two programs

881
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 7: with you know, at least a quarter quarterback and a

882
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 7: wide receiver that are you know, proven in the league.

883
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 6: You would have.

884
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:12,879
Speaker 7: Thought at that time, like I mean, at that point

885
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 7: Jay Cutler and Brandon Marshall, you like, Wow, he's really

886
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 7: going to something. Then you know, within a year they're

887
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 7: both gone. Now Derek Carr's gone, and he's kind of

888
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 7: tying his fate to Jimmy Garoppolo, who you know, just

889
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 7: can't seem to stay healthy.

890
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 3: And it's but it makes perfect sense because Jimmy's a

891
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 3: guy don't know what he wants him to do exactly

892
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,319
Speaker 3: like you just do it my way, it'll work. That's

893
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 3: how these guys think, Like even like a Kyle Shanahan

894
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:36,279
Speaker 3: that's why they had, you know, I know they trade

895
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:38,359
Speaker 3: all those picks for Trey Lance, but he's even one

896
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 3: of those guys that's just like, if you just hit

897
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 3: the right button on the on the Xbox controller that

898
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:45,839
Speaker 3: I tell you to hit, like, the offense is gonna

899
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:48,840
Speaker 3: be fine. Don't don't try to do anything else, like,

900
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 3: don't try to be creative, don't try to put your

901
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 3: own spin on it, Like if the read is this,

902
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 3: then then throw the read like and that's that's how

903
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 3: McDaniels is.

904
00:36:56,160 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 7: Yeah, Well, the interesting year out there in a Vegas.

905
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's it's hard to be a head

906
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,760
Speaker 2: coach in the NFL, and I think there's a thirst

907
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,919
Speaker 2: for good head coaches, you know, and there's a lack

908
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 2: of them. And I think, you know, when you come

909
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 2: from a program that's had all the success, people just

910
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 2: want to get a piece of that, you know, bring

911
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 2: some of that to me. And it's it's just not

912
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 2: always that's not how it works. I just don't get.

913
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 7: Too caught up in like whether or not Belichick's tree

914
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:26,720
Speaker 7: has success around the league.

915
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:28,799
Speaker 4: Like, I don't care at all the Belichick tree. I'm

916
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 4: just assessing those guys.

917
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, the only one that you know, the

918
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 7: only one that really matters to me is is if

919
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:35,439
Speaker 7: it's somebody off the tree that is the next head

920
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 7: coach here, Like, you know, that's the one that that

921
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 7: I want to see be successful. But you know, you

922
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 7: can break out all the cliches that they're trying to

923
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:43,840
Speaker 7: be Bill, and you know, there's a certain you know,

924
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 7: I just think that there's a certain element of knowledge

925
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 7: that Bill Belichick has it, you know, in perspective that

926
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:50,319
Speaker 7: none of those guys are going to have no matter

927
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 7: how much time they've spent with him, He's going to

928
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 7: always do things his own way. And you know it's

929
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 7: and even when he's doing it that way, it's not

930
00:37:57,760 --> 00:37:59,240
Speaker 7: a guarantee of success.

931
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 6: So I don't know, it's it's it's a high bar.

932
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 3: It's like you said, Fred, it's really hard to be

933
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 3: a head coach.

934
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 7: In this league and to manage to go from managing

935
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 7: an offense or defense to now you're managing everybody. And

936
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 7: not only that, but you're like got to take a

937
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:13,360
Speaker 7: temperature of the team and make sure everyone's pulling in

938
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 7: the right direction, you know, all those things.

939
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 3: I think that's been the hardest part for guys that

940
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 3: have off the Belichick tree is the CEO elements of

941
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 3: being the head coach of the team, the personal elements

942
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 3: with the players, and the interactions with the players and

943
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 3: like all that kind of stuff, because all of them

944
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 3: are good football coaches on their respective sides of the

945
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 3: of the football. And it's never I never viewed it

946
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 3: as like a really big x's and o's thing. It's

947
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:43,280
Speaker 3: like a culture thing. Like they just haven't built that

948
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 3: that culture in their own way yet. And I think

949
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 3: that that's for McDaniels. Like if I was the Raiders,

950
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 3: I'd give it some time. Like I wouldn't fire him

951
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 3: after two seasons, I'd give him three or four years

952
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 3: to try to establish his own foundation.

953
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 6: See that's the thing. I agree with you on that.

954
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 7: And I also saw some of the debate you know

955
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 7: that's going around with with Belichick and Andy Reid, and

956
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:06,359
Speaker 7: like I just I don't think you can discount over

957
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 7: the last twenty years that the hard attack that this

958
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 7: league has taken towards offensive football. And if you have

959
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 7: a guy in house that knows offensive football and you

960
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 7: know you, I mean, clearly he has a plan and

961
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 7: knows what he wants to do.

962
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 6: It's it's not easy to go to to get rid

963
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 6: of that.

964
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 7: And all right, we're gonna go with a defensive guy now,

965
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 7: Like in this league you have to have you know,

966
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:27,839
Speaker 7: maybe last year is I'm scarred from what we did here,

967
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 7: but like you have to have an offensive coordinator, an

968
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 7: offensive guru in the building that knows what they're doing.

969
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:35,799
Speaker 7: It's just how the league is now. You can't try

970
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 7: to get by, you know, just shutting everybody down every week.

971
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:39,720
Speaker 6: It's just it's not going to happen.

972
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 2: Let's go to Patty and Ago on. What's up? Patty up?

973
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:45,880
Speaker 4: Everyone?

974
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 6: Hey, hy Patty?

975
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 11: Hey, Mike, I love Brushmore's.

976
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's a good one too, yep.

977
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 11: Wanting to have make a point. And then if I

978
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 11: have time, Freddy to play play against that Jersey game

979
00:39:59,000 --> 00:39:59,399
Speaker 11: with Paul.

980
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:04,359
Speaker 4: We have time, Stump, Perillo, we have time. The floor

981
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 4: is yours, all right, perfect, So just go piggybacking off

982
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 4: of what you guys said.

983
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:15,360
Speaker 11: About you know, Chay and on when you and Kyle Duggar, Freddie,

984
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 11: I remember back in twenty sixteen a show that I

985
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 11: sat in on with you and Camp Crispy, and one

986
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 11: of the discussions that we had was at that point

987
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 11: it was Jamie Collins, Donta High Tower, and Malcolm Butler,

988
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 11: and who were they going to resign? We were they

989
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 11: going to resign all three? One maybe two of them,

990
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:40,800
Speaker 11: and one ended up happening after sixteen. They franchised Butler,

991
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 11: They trade Jamie Collins miss season Halloween and they they

992
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 11: basically let Dante go to the Steelers and you know,

993
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:51,319
Speaker 11: look a look at an offer from them before he

994
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 11: comes back, and we make an offer.

995
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:54,720
Speaker 12: Too many stays here.

996
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, and they let them all go.

997
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 6: Basically.

998
00:40:56,640 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 4: I'm just well, it was it was Chandler, Channel Jones.

999
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:04,879
Speaker 4: We wanted to Chandler Jones, High Tower, Collins with a three,

1000
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,320
Speaker 4: big money and then and then Butler.

1001
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 2: But and I remember talking about it's like this is

1002
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:12,439
Speaker 2: the core of the defense for years to come.

1003
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 4: And and Patty and Patty's right. The only reason why

1004
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:18,800
Speaker 4: High Tower state is because he flunked physical and he

1005
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 4: he had offers from Pittsburgh and the Jets. I believe

1006
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 4: the Jets were the one that that actually had him

1007
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:27,760
Speaker 4: signed and he failed the physical and ended up staying.

1008
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 4: But they almost lost all four of them.

1009
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 7: Right, And but that point, there was never like these

1010
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:34,319
Speaker 7: are the guys that we have to have.

1011
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:35,479
Speaker 6: Let's give them the deal.

1012
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 7: It was all kind of well, we'll see, and it's

1013
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 7: just it felt like it's been like that for a while.

1014
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I hope as hold on with that.

1015
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:48,360
Speaker 11: I hope they signed to an opera sheet. And I know,

1016
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 11: I mean, Sudan's only signed through this year and next year,

1017
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 11: so I'm hoping, like if he has another big season,

1018
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:56,800
Speaker 11: I mean, he might price himself out of here, but

1019
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,759
Speaker 11: I would I would like at least like the seed

1020
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:03,360
Speaker 11: Duggers stay impossibly u J too, because I'm with you.

1021
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:05,399
Speaker 11: I think on when it was gone after this year?

1022
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 11: All right, So are you ready.

1023
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 4: For this, PAULI, yeah, you gotta make a quick friend's

1024
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 4: got an itchy trigger for that's all right.

1025
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 11: It's the nineteen ninety four running back edition of Name

1026
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 11: That Jersey?

1027
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:24,359
Speaker 4: Okay, number forty four John Steven ninety four, ninety four,

1028
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:25,839
Speaker 4: number forty forty four.

1029
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:26,840
Speaker 6: Marion Butts.

1030
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 4: But in nineteen ninety four number forty.

1031
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:31,360
Speaker 2: Four, Butts was thirty three, wasn't he.

1032
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go marrying Butts just because I have no idea.

1033
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:35,400
Speaker 11: Yeah, that's right.

1034
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:38,839
Speaker 4: Wait, so Deuce gets a point okay, hit chobd gets

1035
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 4: a score twenty six. Cory Krom correct, you didn't even

1036
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 4: finish the question. Leroy Thompson, Yes, sir, and the last one.

1037
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 11: And I'll cut out here because I know Fred's got

1038
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:54,320
Speaker 11: the itchy trigger. Figer number thirty.

1039
00:42:53,920 --> 00:43:00,840
Speaker 3: Two, Devin mccordy, ty, No, No, it's thirty four thirty

1040
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:01,799
Speaker 3: two running back.

1041
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:07,399
Speaker 11: It was a full back. I'll give you a head.

1042
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:09,400
Speaker 6: Leonard Floyd.

1043
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 11: I don't know Andre Bowden and.

1044
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 2: Would have never got that.

1045
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:16,799
Speaker 6: Never heard that name of my life.

1046
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 4: There you go, thanks Patty me twice. Yeah, I didn't

1047
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 4: get Marrion, butson I didn't get Cory.

1048
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 3: That's July fourth hangover.

1049
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:30,320
Speaker 6: Was he kind of saying, like extend Judon?

1050
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 7: Was that?

1051
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:32,360
Speaker 4: Was that what he was kind of hitting? No, he

1052
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:35,880
Speaker 4: was saying, because Judon is going to be gone.

1053
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 3: I would pay to I would.

1054
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:39,479
Speaker 7: I mean, I just I mean to that At the point,

1055
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 7: I feel like it's a little that's a tougher one

1056
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 7: for me. But if you're get because Judon is not

1057
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 7: going to be here forever, like you don't, don't get

1058
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 7: married to your own players, like it's not I think.

1059
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 3: Is a better pass rusher than Judon, so I would pay.

1060
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 4: But that's just me.

1061
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 2: Let's go to Tim and Boston. What's up, Tim?

1062
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 13: Hey, guys, how we're doing good?

1063
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 2: All right?

1064
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 13: So I feel like what I see the general sentiment

1065
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:10,799
Speaker 13: of past fans is that we're less optimistic about Mac

1066
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 13: Jones being the guy now than we were after his

1067
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 13: rookie year. And looking at last year, I don't really

1068
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:19,799
Speaker 13: see why that would be the case. Like, look at

1069
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 13: what he dealt with. He didn't have an OC, he

1070
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 13: had no weapons. The receivers are running into each other,

1071
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:27,320
Speaker 13: and I can't think of a quarterback other than Patrick

1072
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 13: Mahomes who could have made that offense.

1073
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 2: Well, but here's the thing. I hear what you're saying

1074
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 2: to him, but if he really was the guy, he

1075
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 2: would have still among all that stuff. Well, at least

1076
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 2: Mac looks pretty good, and you couldn't say that like

1077
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 2: he didn't run Like I'm not saying he should have

1078
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:46,240
Speaker 2: like made the playoffs and you know, had five thousand

1079
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 2: yards passing, but you would have seen simes that Mac

1080
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:52,319
Speaker 2: is better than this and he was just along with it.

1081
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:55,360
Speaker 2: You know, there weren't any signs of him rising above

1082
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 2: it or you know, you know what I'm saying, yeah, like.

1083
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 4: Coming off a rookie that he went in the tank

1084
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 4: the last like six weeks of the season. Like, to me,

1085
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 4: it was an extension of what was already happening, you know.

1086
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:12,360
Speaker 2: Among the mess. Didn't we weren't able to say, well,

1087
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 2: at least Max playing well.

1088
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:17,719
Speaker 3: You know, I just think that you have to just

1089
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 3: the eye test of what he's physically capable of is

1090
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 3: still a question mark. Like I think Mac Jones can

1091
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:26,400
Speaker 3: be a really good game manager like he was his

1092
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 3: rookie season. I think we know that that he can

1093
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 3: be somebody that has a two to one touchdown interception ratio,

1094
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 3: takes care of the football, makes the offense tick, you know,

1095
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 3: to the efficiency that the playmakers around it as the

1096
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 3: potential to tick. But is he going to elevate the group?

1097
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 3: Is he going to make the wow plays, the plays

1098
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:48,359
Speaker 3: out of structure, the plays that he's not expected to

1099
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 3: just like hit the seven yard slant, like is he

1100
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:53,759
Speaker 3: going to be able to add his own dressing to it?

1101
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:56,919
Speaker 3: And I don't think we've seen that yet to say

1102
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:59,839
Speaker 3: that he can do that. Can he be really serviceable

1103
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 3: NFL starter and carry a good team to ten to

1104
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 3: eleven wins. Yeah, I think so, But can he really

1105
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 3: push the envelope to make them a Super Bowl contender?

1106
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:10,719
Speaker 6: I mean, I just have to.

1107
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 7: I can't ignore the context of who he has to

1108
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 7: go against. And I mean, you have a Hall of

1109
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:17,360
Speaker 7: Fame quarterback in your division. Now you have Josh Allen,

1110
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 7: who you've beaten once, you know, recently in a win game,

1111
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 7: and to who you haven't beaten yet. So you know,

1112
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:25,840
Speaker 7: for as fine as Mac Jones can be, it's it

1113
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:27,959
Speaker 7: can't just be fine, Like he has to beat these

1114
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 7: guys this year.

1115
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 4: And I think this is another one of those things

1116
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 4: that more than one thing can be true. I think

1117
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 4: that they were set up to fail with the structure

1118
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:38,319
Speaker 4: of the offensive coaching staff last year. I think Tim

1119
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:41,319
Speaker 4: is exactly right. But I don't think that if you

1120
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:44,720
Speaker 4: are a great quarterback that that means you're doomed to fail.

1121
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 4: Like I think you overcome that if you have that

1122
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 4: kind of ability. Now again, if I'm going to list

1123
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 4: the list of problems from last year, certainly Patricia being

1124
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 4: offensive coordinator is above Mac Jones, but Mac Jones is

1125
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 4: up there. He didn't play well.

1126
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:05,799
Speaker 3: I just keep coming back to the same thing with

1127
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:09,440
Speaker 3: MACUSI is he going to be along for the ride

1128
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:12,320
Speaker 3: or is he going to be pulling the wagon?

1129
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:12,839
Speaker 2: Right?

1130
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:15,839
Speaker 3: And if it's okay, if he's along for the ride,

1131
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:18,280
Speaker 3: but then your team building needs to reflect at the quarterback.

1132
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 4: I just think there are so many examples of people

1133
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 4: that you could come up with that, and I don't

1134
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 4: have a specific one off the top of my head

1135
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:32,399
Speaker 4: right now, But like, you know, these quarterbacks who have

1136
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 4: a merry go round of offensive coordinators and they flame

1137
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 4: out of the league and you're like, oh, that guy's stunk.

1138
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 4: He was overrated. You know, no one ever said, well,

1139
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 4: you know, what did Zach Wilson have for an offensive coordinator?

1140
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 4: Like did anybody ever say that?

1141
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 14: No?

1142
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:56,840
Speaker 4: And to me, if you were watching Zach Wilson play,

1143
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:59,399
Speaker 4: Zack Wilson was part of the problem, a big part

1144
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 4: of it. Like I don't think we do that for here.

1145
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 4: I don't think we do that with Mac Jones. It

1146
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:07,319
Speaker 4: was all Patricia. I think Patricia was a big part

1147
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 4: of it. I think Mac Jones was a big part

1148
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 4: of it too. I don't think he played well.

1149
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 7: Yeah, and he was surrounded by kind of the same

1150
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:16,280
Speaker 7: guys in mini camp.

1151
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:17,799
Speaker 6: But it's just it looks kind of the same.

1152
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 7: I mean, it's just he is what he is, and

1153
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 7: you know, until I see him get out there in

1154
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 7: a competitive situation and you know, push that envelope a

1155
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 7: little bit where all right, they're humming right now and

1156
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:29,360
Speaker 7: he's kind of locked in, like you know, I agree

1157
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:31,280
Speaker 7: with you know, Tim's general point that there were times

1158
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:34,919
Speaker 7: during that rookie season where you know, specifically Cleveland, where

1159
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 7: you felt like he was locked in and cooking, and

1160
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 7: you know, and there were even some times last year.

1161
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:41,759
Speaker 7: You know, they weren't a lot, but you know, but

1162
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 7: I think Paul's point about the way that rookie season ended,

1163
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:49,319
Speaker 7: getting your doors absolutely blown off in Buffalo, that that

1164
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:50,320
Speaker 7: put a shadow over.

1165
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 6: That whole sea.

1166
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:53,319
Speaker 2: And Evan, I have a question for you, because you know,

1167
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 2: you said, you know, it's a possibility he could be

1168
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 2: a really good game manager. Yeah, but in today's NFL

1169
00:48:59,080 --> 00:48:59,919
Speaker 2: is that good enough?

1170
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 3: If it is if you build up the roster around

1171
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:03,360
Speaker 3: the quarterback.

1172
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 2: Well, who's the game manager that is gone to a

1173
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 2: super Bowl or wanted or as a game manager?

1174
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 3: I think what Jimmy was a couple years ago in

1175
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 3: San Francisco is what you would expect Mac to look

1176
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 3: like when he has Deebo Samuel and George Kittle and

1177
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 3: you know, all these great offensive line play, great scheme,

1178
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:27,440
Speaker 3: like everything is is great for him. And if he

1179
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:30,279
Speaker 3: can be that, then I think with Belichick and with

1180
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:33,880
Speaker 3: Bill O'Brien back, and with all the right coaches in place,

1181
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:36,720
Speaker 3: that they could be a team that makes some noise.

1182
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:39,440
Speaker 3: But their team building does not reflect that.

1183
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:42,879
Speaker 2: So you're saying a team a game manager must have

1184
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:44,320
Speaker 2: great players around.

1185
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:47,719
Speaker 3: H Yeah, and their team building is not like they

1186
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 3: think that Devonte Parker and Kendrick Bourne and Juju Smith

1187
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 3: Schuster is enough. So if you feel that way, then

1188
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:58,359
Speaker 3: you must really believe in the quarterback because Brady could

1189
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:01,759
Speaker 3: win with that. Like if Brady what had these playmakers,

1190
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 3: they be the favorites to win the Super Bowl. We

1191
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 3: all know that, but they don't. They don't have him anymore,

1192
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 3: Like he's not here anymore. You can't run the team

1193
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 3: like you still have Tom Brady under center, because you don't.

1194
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:14,400
Speaker 3: So that's what has to give to me is you

1195
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 3: either need to decide that Mac is just kind of

1196
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:19,759
Speaker 3: along for the ride, which means that we have to

1197
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 3: sign DeAndre Hopkins and we have to sign Dalvin Cook

1198
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 3: and we have to draft receivers every single year and

1199
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:28,279
Speaker 3: try to really surround him with superstar talent, or you

1200
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:30,279
Speaker 3: have to think that Mac is going to take the

1201
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:32,840
Speaker 3: next step and be the guy that's doing heavy lifting.

1202
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 3: And I don't know what evidence we have to suggest

1203
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 3: that Mac is going to be the one that's going

1204
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 3: to be this MVP caliber guy.

1205
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 2: Speaking of Shuster, has he been active on social media lately?

1206
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:45,839
Speaker 6: I'm not sure, pretty quiet.

1207
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 4: I'm lost on social media because you been watching his tech,

1208
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:51,719
Speaker 4: You've been threading. Yeah, I don't. I don't do wonder

1209
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:55,799
Speaker 4: the best circumstances, but I like, seriously, this stuff that's

1210
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:58,400
Speaker 4: going on with Twitter and threads and all these master

1211
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 4: I don't know. I don't I don't know where even

1212
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 4: to find it.

1213
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 2: But I'm just wondering, like, like, where is he?

1214
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 3: Where Shoester, He's he's he's been posting. He's big on Instagram.

1215
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 6: Okay, all right, and TikTok obviously your share was him.

1216
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:14,440
Speaker 2: He's not hiding anything, okay.

1217
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 4: And by the way, you know, like the whole game

1218
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:19,400
Speaker 4: manager thing, like I agree with the boys here, like

1219
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:24,239
Speaker 4: there are always exceptions, and what worries me about you know.

1220
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 4: This particular case is usually when you have a young

1221
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 4: guy that you know, when you can afford it, you

1222
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:33,920
Speaker 4: go out and load it up and then you can

1223
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 4: have a game manager. I mean, there'll be a game

1224
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 4: manager that that wins it all. I mean, right now,

1225
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:40,359
Speaker 4: it's been Brady, it's been Mahomes, you know, and it's

1226
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:42,319
Speaker 4: been those guys in the Super Bowl and winning the

1227
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 4: Super Bowls. But I'm not going to be stunned if

1228
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:50,279
Speaker 4: Brock Purdy is San Francisco's quarterback next year and the

1229
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 4: Niners go to the title, Like will.

1230
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 6: I'd be surprised.

1231
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 4: Yes, I will be surprised, But that's a roster certainly

1232
00:51:57,080 --> 00:51:59,520
Speaker 4: capable of going to the to the Super Bowl. They

1233
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:01,239
Speaker 4: were game away last year.

1234
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:03,759
Speaker 7: I mean, I've seen more out of Tua as far

1235
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 7: as the game manager to believe that he would be the.

1236
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:08,759
Speaker 4: Correct And I'm again I'm not saying like that's what

1237
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 4: I think mac Jones, but I'm saying, if mac Jones

1238
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:14,759
Speaker 4: turns into a really good game and I think Kirk

1239
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:18,279
Speaker 4: Cousins is a game manager and they haven't been able

1240
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 4: to win the get like, that's my opinion of the

1241
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 4: ceiling for those guys is you could be a playoff team,

1242
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 4: but you're not going deep in the playoffs. But there's

1243
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 4: always the exception. In San Francisco right now, to me,

1244
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:29,920
Speaker 4: is signed up to be.

1245
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 2: It's the definition of a game manager. Any quarterback who's

1246
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 2: not elite but not bad.

1247
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 4: Pretty much good, good, not great. I mean, what's wrong

1248
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 4: with that? I like, like, I don't think that that is.

1249
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 4: I used to sort of think, like when Brady early

1250
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 4: in his career, people tagged him with the game manager thing,

1251
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 4: and I used to say, all the time, what's wrong

1252
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 4: with that? It's the guy who almost never makes mistakes.

1253
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:57,760
Speaker 4: He's the difference between him and average joe. Game manager

1254
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:02,399
Speaker 4: was absolutely immense in the watch, Yeah, and Brady had

1255
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:05,839
Speaker 4: that from day one, but early on, Yeah, he hitted

1256
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 4: the ball off a lot, he relied on his defense

1257
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:10,640
Speaker 4: a lot, they punted a lot, and then he made

1258
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 4: plays when he had to. You can win like that.

1259
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 3: But you mentioned the the rookie contract for the quarterback,

1260
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:19,240
Speaker 3: and they haven't done that.

1261
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 6: That's what I'm saying.

1262
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 3: They haven't maximized the window. And we're sitting here on

1263
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:26,359
Speaker 3: July was it six My dates are all messed up.

1264
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 3: July sixth, and they have sixteen million dollars in cap

1265
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:32,440
Speaker 3: space right now to use right now? Why are you

1266
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:34,840
Speaker 3: sitting on sixteen million dollars in cap space when you

1267
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 3: have thirty three guys under contract for next year that

1268
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:39,840
Speaker 3: aren't on rookie deals, so they have one hundred million

1269
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 3: dollars in cap space projected for next year. Why, like,

1270
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:45,920
Speaker 3: what are you saving the money for? That's that was

1271
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:48,920
Speaker 3: my question, and it's just Kyle Tuger.

1272
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:51,360
Speaker 4: They always say, I know this is a Miguel question.

1273
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 4: You guys might not know. Miguel would have it right

1274
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:56,400
Speaker 4: off to what is the operating costs that you need?

1275
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 3: About six million?

1276
00:53:57,480 --> 00:53:57,640
Speaker 2: Six?

1277
00:53:57,680 --> 00:54:00,239
Speaker 3: I think is about six But you can always, like

1278
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:02,320
Speaker 3: we all know, you can always move the money around

1279
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 3: in season to figure it out.

1280
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 2: Right.

1281
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 6: That's a different thing altogether.

1282
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, they always say.

1283
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:11,800
Speaker 3: And when Bill went on the real cash spending answer

1284
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 3: that he gave a couple of years ago that everybody

1285
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:16,120
Speaker 3: Paul's shows loves to play and stuff like that, I

1286
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 3: think the main thing that he was trying to get

1287
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 3: across is that we spend to the cap. We don't

1288
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 3: necessarily hand out bonuses and stuff like that to go

1289
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 3: wait over the cap, which is where the real cash

1290
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:30,319
Speaker 3: comes in, but we spend to the cap every year.

1291
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:34,239
Speaker 3: They are currently not spending to the cap. So you

1292
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:36,919
Speaker 3: have this sixteen million dollars in cap space right now.

1293
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:39,319
Speaker 3: If it goes to the DeAndre Hopkins tomorrow, then like

1294
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:42,359
Speaker 3: I'll get off the soapbox. But like for right now,

1295
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:45,240
Speaker 3: you have cap space this year, you have cap space

1296
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:47,399
Speaker 3: next year, and you have a team that needs help,

1297
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 3: so at some point you have to The cap space

1298
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:52,279
Speaker 3: is great to talk about. It's fun. Oh cool, we

1299
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:54,800
Speaker 3: have all this cap space. Next year, you need to

1300
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 3: fill it with players, like if you're not filling it

1301
00:54:56,920 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 3: with players. And that's why I said, you know, I

1302
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:02,280
Speaker 3: would also pay uj because that's a good football player.

1303
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:05,400
Speaker 3: That's a double digitsack guy. I think in terms of

1304
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:08,400
Speaker 3: like peer one on one pass rushing, he's probably your best.

1305
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:10,560
Speaker 3: I'm going to beat the left tackle and I'm going

1306
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 3: to get to the quarterback guy on your roster, and

1307
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:16,879
Speaker 3: you have all kinds of money. Yeah, So I don't

1308
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:19,640
Speaker 3: know what that's the part of it. The rookie contract

1309
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:23,320
Speaker 3: thing really bugs me because they have not maximized that window.

1310
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:26,320
Speaker 3: They have not gone out except one year max rookie

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Speaker 3: year in the twenty twenty one free agency. They have

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Speaker 3: not gone out and paid everybody else around the quarterback

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Speaker 3: to make the team significantly better around the QB. They've

1314
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Speaker 3: stuck to their guns on their typical spending model of conservatism.

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Speaker 3: Really and when he had Brady it worked. I don't

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Speaker 3: know if that team building strategy works now.

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Speaker 7: Well, I mean, and to say like they probably wouldn't

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Speaker 7: ever have had sixteen million in cap space at this

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Speaker 7: point when Brady was even under contract, right, No, like

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Speaker 7: like it's it's even worse right now for what max

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Speaker 7: I mean, it ties into Yeah.

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Speaker 3: There was probably years where they did, but at the

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Speaker 3: same time that flexibility was always used eventually, right, So

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Speaker 3: like the years that I've been covering the team, they

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Speaker 3: had cap space in nineteen and they gave it to

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Speaker 3: Antonio Brown and Mohammed Sanu, So they made moves in season.

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Speaker 3: Now they didn't work out, but they made moves in

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Speaker 3: season to use that surplus of cap space. So the

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Speaker 3: rollover cap only matters if you're up against it next year,

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Speaker 3: but they're not up against it next year, so saving

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Speaker 3: them the cap space to roll it over, so you're

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Speaker 3: just instead of one hundred million dollars in cap space.

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Speaker 3: Now you have one hundred and ten. I don't think

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Speaker 3: that that's really.

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Speaker 2: But I think the rule, the CBA rules are I think,

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Speaker 2: I don't know if it's every three or four years.

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Speaker 2: You have to true up three years. Yeah, you have

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Speaker 2: to use it all up. Yeah, you know you can't

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Speaker 2: hold on to it.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, And so that's you know, And then I mean

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Speaker 7: it's a talking point right now, and it's like, do

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Speaker 7: you do you want to be in the top cash

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Speaker 7: spending team every single season?

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Speaker 6: Like I don't think.

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Speaker 3: Well, so that's why the business That was the other

1346
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Speaker 3: thing that he said and I that I think is accurate.

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Speaker 3: Teams don't look at it at a one year to

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Speaker 3: year basis when it comes to cash, they look at

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Speaker 3: it in a three year span. So, because they spent

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Speaker 3: all that money in twenty twenty one, the twenty twenty

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Speaker 3: two and twenty twenty three budgets go down to make

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Speaker 3: up for the fact that they spent all that money

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Speaker 3: in twenty one. So and in some respects I understand

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Speaker 3: what he was He gets killed for it, now, that's

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Speaker 3: what that's what Bill was talking about right for three years.

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Speaker 3: But I understand what he was saying from a budgeting

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Speaker 3: standpoint for them what they're doing. But I don't care

1358
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Speaker 3: about if they I don't care if they they spend

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Speaker 3: four hundred million, five hundred million dollars in the football team,

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Speaker 3: can you at least spend to the cap? Like and

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Speaker 3: it's not it just this is why, Like DeAndre Hopkins

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Speaker 3: is sitting out there, Like, how is DeAndre Hopkins not

1363
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Speaker 3: a Patriot by now?

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Speaker 2: Like what?

1365
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Speaker 3: And if it's if it's if it's Hopkins, then I

1366
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Speaker 3: can't blame them for the fact that Hopkins doesn't want

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Speaker 3: to come here, right, Like, I can't hold that against them.

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Speaker 3: But if it's Bacon, if it's money, like if it's

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Speaker 3: like if it's a difference between a couple of million

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Speaker 3: on a contract, and then that's that's not a good look.

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Speaker 4: I also wonder if he's not getting blown away. I

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Speaker 4: think he's just Fred said it early in the show.

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Speaker 4: I think he's just content to wait it out and

1374
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Speaker 4: wait till camp is here and he doesn't want to like.

1375
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Speaker 2: Or camp is over.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if he'll wait all the way till

1377
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Speaker 4: camp is over, but I wouldn't be surprised if he

1378
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Speaker 4: waits till camp starts.

1379
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Speaker 3: If he signs next week, and then he claims that

1380
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Speaker 3: he needs two weeks to get his body right to

1381
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Speaker 3: get up to speed, and then all surprised, we see

1382
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Speaker 3: him joint practices in Green Bay for the first time.

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Speaker 6: Like that's sort of like hamstring.

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Speaker 4: Yeah great, okay, well ahead, go to Will.

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Speaker 2: He's been wining will Is in Arkansas? What's up? Will it?

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Speaker 9: Will?

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Speaker 12: Hey guys, y'all were talking a little bit about quarterback

1388
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Speaker 12: talk game managers though raised on calling. It's you know,

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Speaker 12: not so much a former game manager, but former gun slinger.

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Speaker 12: I didn't get to colin last week. But huge props

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Speaker 12: of the team, Bill Tom and all the others for

1392
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Speaker 12: the tributes for Ryan Mallett. Yeah, yep, yeah, I mean

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Speaker 12: it was you know, it was a whole shock for

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Speaker 12: the state and for me and other Patriot fans that

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Speaker 12: are fans of the Razorbacks. You know, it was really

1396
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Speaker 12: a double whammy for us.

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Speaker 2: Had Ryan like gone does he do had he been

1398
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Speaker 2: doing a lot in Arkansas? Like, had he gone back

1399
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Speaker 2: and done stuff after his college days?

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Speaker 12: Yeah, a little bit after he got done playing with

1401
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Speaker 12: the Ravens, he went to coaching. He was an assistant

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Speaker 12: coach at one High school last year was his first

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Speaker 12: year as a head coach, and another high school about

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Speaker 12: thirty miles south of Little Rock. You know, there was

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Speaker 12: you know, there were people cheering him on, wishing him well,

1406
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Speaker 12: and then they was having last week with the drowning,

1407
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Speaker 12: and you know, his player's assistants were just all horror

1408
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Speaker 12: proven by the news. Yeah, just thirty five years old

1409
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Speaker 12: and tough, you know, four years older than me. You know,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, thanks for the call.

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Speaker 4: Well, and that's what a lot of the Patriots said

1413
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Speaker 4: that he well, I think maybe Bill said it somewhere

1414
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Speaker 4: that he always wanted to He always said he wanted

1415
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1416
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Speaker 7: When you saw him at camp. Was that did his

1418
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Speaker 7: arm just jump off the field with how how.

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Speaker 4: He had a good arm? No, but did not Contrary

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Speaker 4: to Mike Mayock's statement one year, I he looked like

1421
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Speaker 4: a guy who had trouble. First of all, you had

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Speaker 4: definite trouble changing speeds, and I think Josh mentioned that

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Speaker 4: in one of the things that I read. And he

1424
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Speaker 4: had accuracy issues. But yeah, he could throw. I mean

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Speaker 4: he could definitely quote unquote make all the throws. But

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Speaker 4: easier ones. It's like, you know the timing routes in

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Speaker 2: History. Good lobster is sex is like sex for your throat.

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Speaker 2: I do remember saying that. I do remember saying.

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Speaker 4: That I don't. But that's even funnier.

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01:12:09,360 --> 01:12:12,719
Speaker 2: Than is like sex for your throat.

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Speaker 4: Plus it was Dan.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't.

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Speaker 4: I wouldn't doubt Dan.

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Speaker 2: If you're looking for a good lobster bisc on the Cape,

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Speaker 2: the Daniel Webster in Sandwich has an excellent lobster bisk.

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Speaker 4: You have the the place down the cape for everything.

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Speaker 2: Well, if you haven't noticed, they eat out a lot

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Speaker 2: because I don't cook. But my wife doesn't really particularly

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Speaker 2: enjoy it either, so we eat out a lot.

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Speaker 6: But yeah, my wife and I eat out a lot too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I enjoy the whole thing about eating out. I

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Speaker 2: do you know, I like the sitting down, getting a drink,

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Speaker 2: placing the order.

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Speaker 4: I just you know what I really like when I'm

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Speaker 4: like a like a Saturday night, especially in the summer,

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Speaker 4: of drinks while you're waiting for your table.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and that that to me is like, see.

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Speaker 4: I don't cut this a couple of hours.

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Speaker 2: I don't. I don't like having to be in a

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Speaker 2: place where I know I'm gonna have to move as

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Speaker 2: soon as they call my name. I like to just

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Speaker 2: be where I'm gonna be and settle in. You fat, No,

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Speaker 2: it's not about lazy. I don't want to move. That's

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Speaker 2: another great moment from all Right. Welcome back to Patriots

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Speaker 2: it's Evan, It's Paul, it's myself here in a lazy

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Speaker 2: Thursday afternoon dog days of the NFL. It's it's been

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Speaker 2: dog days, you know. Other than you know, the the

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Speaker 2: pretty quiet.

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Speaker 3: The extensions are nice. Last week gave us something to

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Speaker 3: talk about.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 7: I well, I got away from it from a couple

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Speaker 7: of weeks, but I'm feeling pretty excited.

1669
01:14:02,280 --> 01:14:06,040
Speaker 2: I guess Jack Jones too. I can't forget that.

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Speaker 7: Was there any more any more scuttle bit about that

1671
01:14:08,080 --> 01:14:10,360
Speaker 7: because I kept seeing as people say that there might be.

1672
01:14:10,400 --> 01:14:12,599
Speaker 3: But this is not the time for me to go

1673
01:14:12,640 --> 01:14:15,599
Speaker 3: on this random like stop believing everything that you read

1674
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1675
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1676
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1677
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Speaker 3: And he shares a link that doesn't go to anywhere.

1678
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Speaker 3: It's like, can we just have a little bit of

1679
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Speaker 3: effort to figure out if this person is actually a real.

1680
01:14:32,080 --> 01:14:34,120
Speaker 6: So what did that full person say.

1681
01:14:34,240 --> 01:14:38,840
Speaker 3: That the chargers against Jack Jones had been dropped? And

1682
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Speaker 3: I got I had real life people DM ing me

1683
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Speaker 3: on Twitter asking me if that was accurate.

1684
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Speaker 6: Yeah, well I had.

1685
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Speaker 7: I took four plane flights and every single time we

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Speaker 6: Look there it is.

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Speaker 2: Well Johnson and Porter Lake Porter's Lake, Nova, Scotia. I

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Speaker 2: was listening to one of Paul's shows when they mentioned

1691
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Speaker 2: the Jim Irsay collection coming to Boston. I'm not sure

1692
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Speaker 2: the new Staffords would have as much insight as Paul

1693
01:15:07,920 --> 01:15:11,000
Speaker 2: and Fred. Are you able to share any cool collectibles

1694
01:15:11,000 --> 01:15:15,040
Speaker 2: that you've seen or heard about? Robert Kraft having Jim

1695
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Speaker 2: Irsay has unbelievable collection of not just guitars, but other

1696
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Speaker 2: stuff too, really, you know, like stuff from movies. And

1697
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Speaker 2: he's a collector. He's a true collector. Spends a lot

1698
01:15:27,280 --> 01:15:30,519
Speaker 2: of money, got a bunch of money. Yeah, and Robert.

1699
01:15:30,920 --> 01:15:34,479
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's stuff he's collected, but stuff

1700
01:15:34,479 --> 01:15:37,880
Speaker 2: he's been given. That car, he's got that ya blue.

1701
01:15:39,080 --> 01:15:41,519
Speaker 2: But he's got some cool stuff that's been given to

1702
01:15:41,600 --> 01:15:45,479
Speaker 2: him as gifts, and none of them I can remember

1703
01:15:45,560 --> 01:15:47,160
Speaker 2: right now. But I just know that he's got a

1704
01:15:47,160 --> 01:15:49,800
Speaker 2: lot of a lot of cool stuff over the years

1705
01:15:49,800 --> 01:15:51,760
Speaker 2: that has been given to him.

1706
01:15:51,840 --> 01:15:54,519
Speaker 6: Yeah, you got any cool stuff, Paul, No.

1707
01:15:54,640 --> 01:15:57,599
Speaker 4: He was asking if Fred and I might know things

1708
01:15:57,600 --> 01:16:01,280
Speaker 4: that Robert has. I just let Fred answer that because

1709
01:16:01,320 --> 01:16:03,280
Speaker 4: I would not be privy to that the way Fred.

1710
01:16:03,120 --> 01:16:05,679
Speaker 6: Is, no one ever gave you a Bentley or anything.

1711
01:16:05,720 --> 01:16:05,920
Speaker 2: Paul.

1712
01:16:06,560 --> 01:16:08,960
Speaker 3: I always like chance he stuck you, remember, Yeah, he's

1713
01:16:09,000 --> 01:16:12,080
Speaker 3: actually the Baylor wide receiver coach coach Taekwon Thorton.

1714
01:16:12,240 --> 01:16:13,559
Speaker 7: Ah bring it all.

1715
01:16:13,479 --> 01:16:17,360
Speaker 4: To Chancy Stucky. I always liked him. Yeah, I don't

1716
01:16:17,400 --> 01:16:18,599
Speaker 4: know what cool.

1717
01:16:18,840 --> 01:16:20,320
Speaker 6: He's like your Kiki Kuti guys.

1718
01:16:21,160 --> 01:16:22,400
Speaker 4: Oh, he's a lot better than Keith.

1719
01:16:22,520 --> 01:16:25,599
Speaker 2: What's the coolest thing that you own? Like of that

1720
01:16:26,040 --> 01:16:27,160
Speaker 2: ilk deuce?

1721
01:16:29,400 --> 01:16:30,800
Speaker 4: I don't have anything that's cool.

1722
01:16:31,280 --> 01:16:32,519
Speaker 6: I got to get your rings.

1723
01:16:32,840 --> 01:16:33,960
Speaker 7: I gotta think for a second.

1724
01:16:34,880 --> 01:16:36,840
Speaker 6: You're right, Yeah, some people might.

1725
01:16:37,000 --> 01:16:39,520
Speaker 7: I mean I do, I really might like my grandfather's

1726
01:16:39,520 --> 01:16:41,559
Speaker 7: scrap books are pretty cool. Okay, I know that that's

1727
01:16:41,600 --> 01:16:43,559
Speaker 7: not like a fancy thing, but there's a lot of

1728
01:16:43,600 --> 01:16:45,519
Speaker 7: really cool history in those and stuff.

1729
01:16:45,560 --> 01:16:46,920
Speaker 6: So that's that's one.

1730
01:16:46,960 --> 01:16:50,120
Speaker 7: I found a random like bullet musket and like a

1731
01:16:50,160 --> 01:16:51,880
Speaker 7: sandpit growing up, and I always thought that was kind

1732
01:16:51,880 --> 01:16:54,599
Speaker 7: of cool. I mean I'm talking like, you know, average people,

1733
01:16:54,640 --> 01:16:57,400
Speaker 7: things like I found an artifact in a sand pit

1734
01:16:57,479 --> 01:17:01,160
Speaker 7: once and I collected it, but not a lot. I

1735
01:17:01,200 --> 01:17:03,720
Speaker 7: mean I got some some old family stuff, but that's

1736
01:17:03,720 --> 01:17:04,160
Speaker 7: about it.

1737
01:17:04,200 --> 01:17:06,320
Speaker 2: Nothing but about you. But I imagine you have some

1738
01:17:06,400 --> 01:17:07,120
Speaker 2: cool things. Yeah.

1739
01:17:07,120 --> 01:17:07,600
Speaker 4: I have a lot of.

1740
01:17:07,600 --> 01:17:10,680
Speaker 3: Sports memorabilia stuff. I was really into that as as

1741
01:17:10,720 --> 01:17:13,840
Speaker 3: a kid. So for like presence, like for birthdays and

1742
01:17:13,840 --> 01:17:17,080
Speaker 3: stuff like that, I would I would ask for a

1743
01:17:17,080 --> 01:17:20,280
Speaker 3: lot of that kind of stuff. My my grandfather has.

1744
01:17:20,840 --> 01:17:22,240
Speaker 3: You know that he passed down to me when he

1745
01:17:22,280 --> 01:17:26,800
Speaker 3: passed away, an autographed Joe DiMaggio picture that's like one

1746
01:17:26,840 --> 01:17:29,880
Speaker 3: in a thousand or something like that. So that one

1747
01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:32,320
Speaker 3: is worth like a little bit of something, not like

1748
01:17:32,439 --> 01:17:34,880
Speaker 3: millions of dollars, but like you know, maybe a thousand

1749
01:17:35,000 --> 01:17:35,680
Speaker 3: or something like that.

1750
01:17:35,760 --> 01:17:37,400
Speaker 2: Probably more real collector.

1751
01:17:37,560 --> 01:17:40,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's worth a little something, and then I

1752
01:17:40,840 --> 01:17:45,080
Speaker 3: have some things that were gifted to me, like I

1753
01:17:45,120 --> 01:17:49,200
Speaker 3: have a game used David Ortiz and Manny Ramirez bat

1754
01:17:49,800 --> 01:17:53,160
Speaker 3: like the actor actual bat that they use in the game,

1755
01:17:53,280 --> 01:17:55,240
Speaker 3: and you know stuff like like kind of stuff like that.

1756
01:17:55,280 --> 01:17:58,280
Speaker 3: But the Demaggio thing is the is the rarest thing

1757
01:17:58,320 --> 01:17:58,840
Speaker 3: in that house.

1758
01:17:58,880 --> 01:18:00,840
Speaker 7: I know somebody who has in jac ass and game ball.

1759
01:18:01,479 --> 01:18:03,679
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, jeez.

1760
01:18:05,520 --> 01:18:08,479
Speaker 2: Yeah. I have a Gil Hodges autograph I got when

1761
01:18:08,479 --> 01:18:10,599
Speaker 2: I was like six years old that I can't find

1762
01:18:10,680 --> 01:18:14,720
Speaker 2: right now. He was the manager of the Mets. He

1763
01:18:14,800 --> 01:18:17,520
Speaker 2: came into my father's hardware store when I was like six.

1764
01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:21,840
Speaker 3: Football autographed by our Steve Grogan. Yeah that my dad

1765
01:18:21,920 --> 01:18:22,559
Speaker 3: wanted an auction.

1766
01:18:22,600 --> 01:18:24,600
Speaker 7: Everybody's got a Bobby or autograph, right like you're just

1767
01:18:24,760 --> 01:18:26,559
Speaker 7: issued those and you're born here in Boston.

1768
01:18:26,960 --> 01:18:29,840
Speaker 4: I actually had his book and he signed it.

1769
01:18:30,439 --> 01:18:32,560
Speaker 6: Mother got it for me. That was that was the

1770
01:18:32,720 --> 01:18:33,439
Speaker 6: VIP package.

1771
01:18:33,439 --> 01:18:35,200
Speaker 2: When you do you have your Hall of Fame ring

1772
01:18:35,400 --> 01:18:38,599
Speaker 2: still from b U No got rid of it.

1773
01:18:38,680 --> 01:18:41,479
Speaker 6: Just the bust. They did a bust of them. What

1774
01:18:41,520 --> 01:18:44,840
Speaker 6: do you have from that certificate? It's right next to

1775
01:18:44,920 --> 01:18:46,320
Speaker 6: his game like a little plaque.

1776
01:18:46,320 --> 01:18:48,439
Speaker 4: You got a plaque I do not have it with

1777
01:18:48,479 --> 01:18:50,920
Speaker 4: my gambling certification.

1778
01:18:51,920 --> 01:18:53,799
Speaker 6: Hall of Fame took a test.

1779
01:18:54,360 --> 01:18:57,439
Speaker 4: So it's funny because the listeners might find that kind

1780
01:18:57,439 --> 01:18:57,880
Speaker 4: of interesting.

1781
01:18:57,880 --> 01:18:58,040
Speaker 2: You know.

1782
01:18:58,040 --> 01:19:00,240
Speaker 4: I always sort of make that comment, like I have

1783
01:19:00,320 --> 01:19:03,240
Speaker 4: my I took the course that we had everybody is

1784
01:19:03,240 --> 01:19:05,400
Speaker 4: required to take, and that's kind of gotten into the

1785
01:19:05,439 --> 01:19:08,280
Speaker 4: news lately, all these players getting caught.

1786
01:19:09,080 --> 01:19:11,840
Speaker 2: And Jonathan was it Jonathan Jones that said, you know,

1787
01:19:12,280 --> 01:19:13,680
Speaker 2: we put our body in the line, but.

1788
01:19:13,640 --> 01:19:15,480
Speaker 6: One of the one of the time, like somebody.

1789
01:19:15,240 --> 01:19:18,479
Speaker 2: Can sit him down and explain to him all the

1790
01:19:18,520 --> 01:19:19,519
Speaker 2: bad things that can.

1791
01:19:19,439 --> 01:19:21,719
Speaker 4: Happen, like maybe on the week that you don't bet

1792
01:19:21,720 --> 01:19:22,400
Speaker 4: on your team.

1793
01:19:22,320 --> 01:19:26,200
Speaker 2: Exactly, or if you get in the hole a lot

1794
01:19:26,280 --> 01:19:30,000
Speaker 2: and you start chasing and then it, you know, someone

1795
01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:32,639
Speaker 2: makes you an offer, you know, like in that you know.

1796
01:19:32,880 --> 01:19:34,679
Speaker 4: Not Florio is like he makes a good point.

1797
01:19:35,960 --> 01:19:38,040
Speaker 2: Not a good point has.

1798
01:19:37,960 --> 01:19:40,320
Speaker 3: Been Florio has been on one.

1799
01:19:40,479 --> 01:19:43,360
Speaker 7: Yeah, decided to dig up like an old bill quote.

1800
01:19:44,000 --> 01:19:47,920
Speaker 3: It was from the owners meetings as a mister craft

1801
01:19:48,000 --> 01:19:51,360
Speaker 3: quote about cash spending from the owners meetings that he

1802
01:19:51,439 --> 01:19:55,240
Speaker 3: then somehow resurfaces three months even Badard quote tweeted it

1803
01:19:55,240 --> 01:19:57,280
Speaker 3: and was like this was three months old, Like I

1804
01:19:57,280 --> 01:19:57,800
Speaker 3: don't know why.

1805
01:19:58,240 --> 01:20:00,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's think about it this way. What if you

1806
01:20:00,760 --> 01:20:02,960
Speaker 2: were a parent, It's like, you know, I'm gonna start

1807
01:20:02,960 --> 01:20:07,160
Speaker 2: betting on my kids' grades in school. You know, like

1808
01:20:07,520 --> 01:20:10,400
Speaker 2: there's a lot of motivation there to like do things

1809
01:20:10,400 --> 01:20:13,000
Speaker 2: that you shouldn't be doing. You know, it's such a weird.

1810
01:20:13,040 --> 01:20:14,640
Speaker 7: I mean, we don't have to get into it, but

1811
01:20:15,040 --> 01:20:16,640
Speaker 7: I mean the amount of money that pumped in this

1812
01:20:16,720 --> 01:20:17,519
Speaker 7: league by those but.

1813
01:20:17,840 --> 01:20:19,719
Speaker 4: So, yeah, I didn't mean to get off on that tangent.

1814
01:20:19,760 --> 01:20:22,400
Speaker 4: But you know I talk about, Yeah, I print out

1815
01:20:22,400 --> 01:20:24,920
Speaker 4: those certificates just in case they check I have them.

1816
01:20:25,120 --> 01:20:27,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, don't need it, don't you know?

1817
01:20:27,120 --> 01:20:29,200
Speaker 4: I needed it because they said that I didn't complete.

1818
01:20:29,240 --> 01:20:32,479
Speaker 4: It wasn't gambling specific. It was part of the rest

1819
01:20:32,520 --> 01:20:35,519
Speaker 4: of the training, but I had to certificate to show them.

1820
01:20:35,520 --> 01:20:37,080
Speaker 4: And I was like, right here, do you take it

1821
01:20:37,080 --> 01:20:40,400
Speaker 4: out of the frame. Something must have happened. Yeah, must

1822
01:20:40,400 --> 01:20:40,920
Speaker 4: have been a glitch.

1823
01:20:41,520 --> 01:20:44,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, like I said, somebody needs to sit

1824
01:20:44,240 --> 01:20:47,920
Speaker 2: Jonathan Jones down and explain to him why you can't

1825
01:20:47,920 --> 01:20:50,400
Speaker 2: do it. You just can't. It's not a matter of

1826
01:20:50,479 --> 01:20:54,679
Speaker 2: principle or unfairness. It's just not good.

1827
01:20:55,160 --> 01:20:59,800
Speaker 4: And I would just say, like, if things go in

1828
01:21:00,000 --> 01:21:02,719
Speaker 4: credibly well and exceed all of your expectations, you're gonna

1829
01:21:02,720 --> 01:21:03,599
Speaker 4: have a ten year career.

1830
01:21:04,479 --> 01:21:06,839
Speaker 6: Yeah, you can't wait ten years to bet.

1831
01:21:06,800 --> 01:21:11,080
Speaker 2: Right right, need the juice And if you truly can't wait,

1832
01:21:11,240 --> 01:21:15,519
Speaker 2: then you have a problem, and that's that's not good.

1833
01:21:15,640 --> 01:21:17,920
Speaker 7: And you could bet on other teams other sports outside

1834
01:21:17,920 --> 01:21:18,680
Speaker 7: of the building.

1835
01:21:18,400 --> 01:21:20,439
Speaker 3: Right, Well, that's a weird part to me about the rule.

1836
01:21:20,840 --> 01:21:25,160
Speaker 3: So they can't bet on NFL games, which is obvious,

1837
01:21:25,400 --> 01:21:28,479
Speaker 3: but they can bet on NBA games as long as

1838
01:21:28,479 --> 01:21:31,920
Speaker 3: they're outside the facility. But like a lot of I mean,

1839
01:21:31,920 --> 01:21:34,479
Speaker 3: we saw we were talking about that Michael Rubin fanatics party.

1840
01:21:34,560 --> 01:21:37,519
Speaker 3: Like a lot of these people run in similar circles, right,

1841
01:21:37,600 --> 01:21:40,960
Speaker 3: So like if they're thinking of betting on an NBA game,

1842
01:21:41,040 --> 01:21:43,960
Speaker 3: and like somebody on the Patriots Texas Jason Tatum and

1843
01:21:44,040 --> 01:21:46,160
Speaker 3: is like, hey, like are you playing to night like

1844
01:21:46,360 --> 01:21:47,280
Speaker 3: or what's going on?

1845
01:21:47,760 --> 01:21:48,400
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.

1846
01:21:48,479 --> 01:21:51,160
Speaker 3: So I don't understand how that's like inside and really

1847
01:21:51,200 --> 01:21:51,759
Speaker 3: any different.

1848
01:21:51,880 --> 01:21:52,960
Speaker 6: That's probably why we can't.

1849
01:21:53,040 --> 01:21:55,400
Speaker 4: I can't. I can't believe that they are allowed to

1850
01:21:55,400 --> 01:21:58,840
Speaker 4: bet on other sports. But I also would say in

1851
01:21:58,880 --> 01:22:02,080
Speaker 4: the players defense, That's where I would go with the

1852
01:22:02,160 --> 01:22:07,839
Speaker 4: Jonathan Jones side, Like, so you lose six games because

1853
01:22:08,640 --> 01:22:10,920
Speaker 4: you put that bet in in the parking lot instead

1854
01:22:10,960 --> 01:22:13,960
Speaker 4: of waiting till you got on Route one. Like that

1855
01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:14,960
Speaker 4: doesn't seem right to me.

1856
01:22:15,040 --> 01:22:20,240
Speaker 2: That's Jameson Williams. Yeah, let's see about hop signing Hopkins.

1857
01:22:20,479 --> 01:22:23,439
Speaker 2: L from Wisconsin says, Mike is totally right. The team

1858
01:22:23,520 --> 01:22:26,320
Speaker 2: needs a guy like Hopkins. However, that's been the case

1859
01:22:26,360 --> 01:22:29,280
Speaker 2: since like twenty nineteen, and the team has really shown

1860
01:22:29,280 --> 01:22:32,320
Speaker 2: no interest in adding someone there. I don't know if

1861
01:22:32,360 --> 01:22:35,439
Speaker 2: they'll sign Hopkins, but the fact that he isn't here

1862
01:22:36,080 --> 01:22:38,840
Speaker 2: means to me that they didn't prioritize going out and

1863
01:22:38,880 --> 01:22:41,559
Speaker 2: getting him. I think they're fully okay letting him go

1864
01:22:42,600 --> 01:22:44,639
Speaker 2: if a place like Tennessee is willing to go over

1865
01:22:44,680 --> 01:22:48,519
Speaker 2: Bill's wide receiver value. Now, we can't forget two years

1866
01:22:48,560 --> 01:22:52,280
Speaker 2: ago when they had that spending spree. I mean, you know,

1867
01:22:52,439 --> 01:22:56,080
Speaker 2: the guys didn't or haven't worked out yet, but they

1868
01:22:56,160 --> 01:22:59,240
Speaker 2: but they signed spend a lot of money on Bagalore

1869
01:22:59,479 --> 01:23:02,840
Speaker 2: and Parker last year. You know. So it's they have

1870
01:23:02,960 --> 01:23:05,479
Speaker 2: signed wide receivers and it's just not the right big

1871
01:23:05,520 --> 01:23:06,360
Speaker 2: money doing it.

1872
01:23:06,360 --> 01:23:09,120
Speaker 3: It's not big money though, Like they've signed wide receivers

1873
01:23:09,160 --> 01:23:11,519
Speaker 3: at a certain level of wide receivers spend.

1874
01:23:11,360 --> 01:23:15,000
Speaker 2: It, right, But two years ago they they bought the

1875
01:23:15,040 --> 01:23:17,400
Speaker 2: best guys on the market.

1876
01:23:17,040 --> 01:23:18,360
Speaker 6: Right, Well, I don't think debatable.

1877
01:23:19,280 --> 01:23:22,360
Speaker 2: I'm talking about free agent, not raids or anything like that.

1878
01:23:23,040 --> 01:23:25,280
Speaker 4: I mean, you're talking about Agalore and Borne. Yeah, I

1879
01:23:25,320 --> 01:23:25,840
Speaker 4: don't think so.

1880
01:23:26,439 --> 01:23:28,680
Speaker 2: Who was better at the time that was available.

1881
01:23:28,760 --> 01:23:31,280
Speaker 3: Corey Davis was the best wide receiver available in.

1882
01:23:31,200 --> 01:23:32,920
Speaker 4: That class, the one that popped in my mind.

1883
01:23:32,960 --> 01:23:35,800
Speaker 3: Okay, to the masses, But the main point I was

1884
01:23:35,840 --> 01:23:39,120
Speaker 3: making wasn't the certain Nelson Agilar got a two year,

1885
01:23:39,200 --> 01:23:43,240
Speaker 3: twenty two million dollar deal. Next year tyreek Kill is

1886
01:23:43,240 --> 01:23:46,040
Speaker 3: going to get thirty million for one year, right So there,

1887
01:23:46,080 --> 01:23:48,320
Speaker 3: it's not top of the market money that they've spent.

1888
01:23:48,360 --> 01:23:51,280
Speaker 3: They've spent in the same the same bracket that they

1889
01:23:51,280 --> 01:23:54,400
Speaker 3: always spend it, which is this middle tier six to

1890
01:23:54,400 --> 01:23:55,360
Speaker 3: eleven million.

1891
01:23:55,080 --> 01:23:59,160
Speaker 4: Which I always complained about because they paid a lot

1892
01:23:59,160 --> 01:24:02,080
Speaker 4: of money for Nelson Agalore. That was a lot Like

1893
01:24:02,120 --> 01:24:04,360
Speaker 4: to me, that was a lot of money for him. Yeah,

1894
01:24:05,280 --> 01:24:08,720
Speaker 4: I would rather spend twice that on someone I think

1895
01:24:08,800 --> 01:24:14,519
Speaker 4: is worth it, rather than a complimentary piece. That's where

1896
01:24:14,520 --> 01:24:17,719
Speaker 4: I always get frustrated with, Like, that's why I always

1897
01:24:17,800 --> 01:24:20,120
Speaker 4: push back at the people say they're cheap. I don't

1898
01:24:20,120 --> 01:24:23,479
Speaker 4: think they're cheap. I think they spend their money in

1899
01:24:23,520 --> 01:24:26,360
Speaker 4: a way that I wouldn't. They're so hell bent on

1900
01:24:26,400 --> 01:24:31,080
Speaker 4: their roster construction that they won't deviate from it.

1901
01:24:31,120 --> 01:24:31,559
Speaker 6: They won't.

1902
01:24:31,800 --> 01:24:34,640
Speaker 4: They don't want Like, there's a reason why people like

1903
01:24:34,680 --> 01:24:37,519
Speaker 4: Adam Schefter make those comments about Jujus Smith. Schuster is

1904
01:24:37,520 --> 01:24:39,719
Speaker 4: the highest paid wide receiver in the run because they're

1905
01:24:39,720 --> 01:24:44,080
Speaker 4: trying to establish what the hierarchy is and no one

1906
01:24:44,120 --> 01:24:46,040
Speaker 4: can make more than X, and I think that's a

1907
01:24:46,960 --> 01:24:50,240
Speaker 4: I don't want four guys making X. I want two

1908
01:24:50,240 --> 01:24:53,080
Speaker 4: guys making X and two guys making way above that

1909
01:24:54,240 --> 01:24:56,479
Speaker 4: X times three whatever that happens to be.

1910
01:24:57,960 --> 01:25:00,799
Speaker 2: Speing Fresdo on the issue, Mike and Evan mentioned earlier

1911
01:25:00,840 --> 01:25:03,760
Speaker 2: that the Patriots have oodles of cap space in the

1912
01:25:03,800 --> 01:25:06,639
Speaker 2: coming years owing to not paying for big time talent.

1913
01:25:06,960 --> 01:25:09,519
Speaker 2: I kind of have this belief that Bill thinks the

1914
01:25:09,560 --> 01:25:12,600
Speaker 2: team's history of outrageous success is rooted mostly in the

1915
01:25:12,640 --> 01:25:16,719
Speaker 2: strong middle classes, built more than it was based on Iran,

1916
01:25:17,200 --> 01:25:19,640
Speaker 2: more than it was based on the superhuman spackle. That

1917
01:25:19,760 --> 01:25:22,240
Speaker 2: was Tom Brady. I don't think Bill sees it any

1918
01:25:22,280 --> 01:25:25,360
Speaker 2: differently even to this day, and that's a big reason

1919
01:25:25,400 --> 01:25:28,519
Speaker 2: the offensive roster is what it currently is. I see

1920
01:25:28,520 --> 01:25:31,559
Speaker 2: that aspect of the GM's team building strategy as the

1921
01:25:31,600 --> 01:25:35,599
Speaker 2: albatross in the room, quietly weighing the team down, amy

1922
01:25:35,640 --> 01:25:37,040
Speaker 2: exaggerating the issue.

1923
01:25:37,120 --> 01:25:39,320
Speaker 7: Well, I would just bring up the draft because I think,

1924
01:25:39,360 --> 01:25:41,160
Speaker 7: you know, that's a way to get around all this,

1925
01:25:41,280 --> 01:25:43,760
Speaker 7: and you know, and sure we'd all be happy to

1926
01:25:43,880 --> 01:25:47,599
Speaker 7: welcome DeAndre Hopkins here for you know whatever I mean

1927
01:25:47,640 --> 01:25:49,320
Speaker 7: at this point with the cast space that they have.

1928
01:25:49,439 --> 01:25:52,879
Speaker 7: But I just think the real answer is not about

1929
01:25:53,320 --> 01:25:55,240
Speaker 7: the lack of going out and spending a bunch of

1930
01:25:55,280 --> 01:25:58,040
Speaker 7: money on a free agent. It's it's not drafting guys

1931
01:25:58,080 --> 01:25:59,800
Speaker 7: that you can develop. And we all know the list

1932
01:25:59,800 --> 01:26:03,160
Speaker 7: of that they passed up to take other different receivers.

1933
01:26:02,600 --> 01:26:04,440
Speaker 6: And YadA, YadA, YadA.

1934
01:26:04,520 --> 01:26:06,360
Speaker 7: But that I think that's to me, is where the

1935
01:26:06,360 --> 01:26:08,040
Speaker 7: biggest problem is. I mean, it'd be a good problem

1936
01:26:08,080 --> 01:26:10,400
Speaker 7: to have to be looking at Deebo Samuel and be saying,

1937
01:26:11,120 --> 01:26:13,680
Speaker 7: let's give him the contract. He's we drafted him, we

1938
01:26:13,800 --> 01:26:16,760
Speaker 7: developed him, go for the moon. To pay him, and

1939
01:26:16,960 --> 01:26:20,360
Speaker 7: it's just it's hard to imagine that, say Nikhil Harry

1940
01:26:20,479 --> 01:26:23,559
Speaker 7: was a superstar, that Nikil Harrey would still be here,

1941
01:26:23,800 --> 01:26:26,160
Speaker 7: you know, like like they would probably ride him for

1942
01:26:26,200 --> 01:26:26,800
Speaker 7: all he was worse.

1943
01:26:26,880 --> 01:26:29,280
Speaker 4: That's my biggest problem. If taekwon, Thoughton rips it up

1944
01:26:29,320 --> 01:26:31,479
Speaker 4: the next three next three years, you think they're resigning

1945
01:26:31,560 --> 01:26:33,000
Speaker 4: him right on top of the market.

1946
01:26:33,000 --> 01:26:35,280
Speaker 6: I don't think they're resigning anybody, Like who do you like?

1947
01:26:35,320 --> 01:26:39,120
Speaker 7: I mean, we like Dugart absolutely, but after that love

1948
01:26:39,200 --> 01:26:42,640
Speaker 7: that email, the next one it's it's it's you got

1949
01:26:42,680 --> 01:26:43,920
Speaker 7: all this money and no one to spend it on.

1950
01:26:44,000 --> 01:26:46,200
Speaker 6: It feels like unless you do another twenty twenty one.

1951
01:26:46,240 --> 01:26:48,760
Speaker 3: And to Fred's point, it's it's risky. Not all those

1952
01:26:48,800 --> 01:26:50,599
Speaker 3: guys are going to work out. A couple probably will,

1953
01:26:51,240 --> 01:26:52,599
Speaker 3: but not all of them. But it's such a good

1954
01:26:52,600 --> 01:26:57,400
Speaker 3: point about their their draft strategy is in the short term,

1955
01:26:57,439 --> 01:27:00,559
Speaker 3: they don't really draft receivers high, like taekwond in draft

1956
01:27:00,760 --> 01:27:03,400
Speaker 3: gets drafted fiftieth overall, and then they don't draft a

1957
01:27:03,479 --> 01:27:06,120
Speaker 3: receiver this year until the sixth round because they don't

1958
01:27:06,120 --> 01:27:08,080
Speaker 3: want to spend at the top of the draft in

1959
01:27:08,120 --> 01:27:11,080
Speaker 3: terms of draft capital. Again on that position, but then

1960
01:27:11,360 --> 01:27:13,960
Speaker 3: they also probably won't spend on on Taekwon Thorton in

1961
01:27:14,000 --> 01:27:15,799
Speaker 3: four years if he ends up being a good player.

1962
01:27:16,120 --> 01:27:18,000
Speaker 3: So it's like, you have to have one. You gotta,

1963
01:27:18,040 --> 01:27:20,719
Speaker 3: you gotta at some point, you gotta, you gotta pony

1964
01:27:20,800 --> 01:27:23,639
Speaker 3: up some somewhere, either with a first round draft pick

1965
01:27:24,000 --> 01:27:27,400
Speaker 3: or with money, Like there has to be something going

1966
01:27:27,439 --> 01:27:28,920
Speaker 3: to that position to move the needle.

1967
01:27:30,040 --> 01:27:34,400
Speaker 2: Especially today's NFL Willhelm and Philam on the Ace ticket houtline.

1968
01:27:34,400 --> 01:27:36,000
Speaker 2: What's up, William?

1969
01:27:36,520 --> 01:27:38,200
Speaker 21: What's going on for how you're doing all right?

1970
01:27:39,560 --> 01:27:39,800
Speaker 7: Uh?

1971
01:27:39,920 --> 01:27:41,400
Speaker 21: Is there interference or anything?

1972
01:27:41,840 --> 01:27:41,960
Speaker 12: Uh?

1973
01:27:42,479 --> 01:27:43,680
Speaker 21: Your podcast.

1974
01:27:44,840 --> 01:27:46,240
Speaker 6: And there's not even any beating today.

1975
01:27:48,760 --> 01:27:49,960
Speaker 2: I don't know, are you hearing?

1976
01:27:50,200 --> 01:27:51,720
Speaker 4: At the very beginning of the show, we had a

1977
01:27:51,760 --> 01:27:53,880
Speaker 4: little bit of an audio issue, but that was cleared

1978
01:27:53,920 --> 01:27:54,920
Speaker 4: up immediately.

1979
01:27:55,640 --> 01:27:57,880
Speaker 21: When you when you're talking whatnot? Is it seem like

1980
01:27:58,000 --> 01:28:01,000
Speaker 21: it's just a little bit interferencing and everything players up after.

1981
01:28:00,800 --> 01:28:01,800
Speaker 12: That it isn't.

1982
01:28:01,880 --> 01:28:04,160
Speaker 2: I don't know, okay, But other.

1983
01:28:04,040 --> 01:28:09,080
Speaker 21: Than that, my question question for Evan, So Evan, how

1984
01:28:09,120 --> 01:28:11,719
Speaker 21: much did we give Antonio Brown? How much did I'm sorry,

1985
01:28:11,720 --> 01:28:13,960
Speaker 21: how much did Bill Belichick give Antonio Brown?

1986
01:28:14,720 --> 01:28:16,840
Speaker 3: That was a nice contract. That they gave Antonio Brown.

1987
01:28:16,840 --> 01:28:17,920
Speaker 4: I thought it was nine million.

1988
01:28:18,280 --> 01:28:20,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't remember it off the top of my head,

1989
01:28:20,280 --> 01:28:22,240
Speaker 3: but it was. It was a decent amount of money.

1990
01:28:23,360 --> 01:28:26,559
Speaker 21: Okay. So with that, and also with Paul saying they

1991
01:28:26,680 --> 01:28:31,479
Speaker 21: overpaid for Nelson Aguilar, Sam Hockey, he's sitting there. I mean,

1992
01:28:31,520 --> 01:28:34,680
Speaker 21: I don't I'm just like you, Evan. I don't understand

1993
01:28:35,080 --> 01:28:38,920
Speaker 21: you got you sitting on sixteen mil million? Why I

1994
01:28:38,920 --> 01:28:41,439
Speaker 21: don't understand why you ain't signing? What are you waiting for?

1995
01:28:41,800 --> 01:28:44,639
Speaker 21: Because if he gets picked up, you that's it?

1996
01:28:45,360 --> 01:28:46,720
Speaker 2: Why? That's it? Am I?

1997
01:28:46,800 --> 01:28:47,000
Speaker 6: Right?

1998
01:28:47,439 --> 01:28:50,639
Speaker 2: Am I right? Saying that there is an offer out there.

1999
01:28:51,720 --> 01:28:55,640
Speaker 4: I would assume that I do not know that.

2000
01:28:56,320 --> 01:28:59,040
Speaker 2: So if he agreed to the offer today, they signed him.

2001
01:28:59,120 --> 01:29:03,280
Speaker 2: But obviously the offer is not big enough where he say,

2002
01:29:03,320 --> 01:29:04,280
Speaker 2: all right, he's gonna jump.

2003
01:29:04,400 --> 01:29:06,320
Speaker 4: But you're saying makes sense, I do not know that

2004
01:29:06,680 --> 01:29:07,000
Speaker 4: for one.

2005
01:29:07,920 --> 01:29:09,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not like I think they would sign him

2006
01:29:09,720 --> 01:29:11,400
Speaker 2: if he would take the offer. But right now, the

2007
01:29:11,439 --> 01:29:14,760
Speaker 2: offer isn't enough to make him move, right.

2008
01:29:14,920 --> 01:29:18,080
Speaker 4: But I think people like Mike and Evan are of

2009
01:29:18,120 --> 01:29:21,160
Speaker 4: the mindset, like, make the offer that you know he'll take, Well,

2010
01:29:21,200 --> 01:29:22,960
Speaker 4: that's it. Like you need this guy.

2011
01:29:23,040 --> 01:29:25,040
Speaker 7: But if you know that he's his thinking is I'm

2012
01:29:25,080 --> 01:29:27,040
Speaker 7: gonna wait till camp. Do you still make the offer

2013
01:29:27,080 --> 01:29:28,600
Speaker 7: now and let him sit on it? Or do you

2014
01:29:28,640 --> 01:29:30,719
Speaker 7: hold back on the offer until you know he wants

2015
01:29:30,960 --> 01:29:32,000
Speaker 7: When we.

2016
01:29:32,000 --> 01:29:33,519
Speaker 4: Want to tell you what the Red Sox would do

2017
01:29:34,560 --> 01:29:36,840
Speaker 4: and the Patriots have done in the past, why do

2018
01:29:36,920 --> 01:29:38,559
Speaker 4: we want to do what the Red Sox and the

2019
01:29:38,640 --> 01:29:40,240
Speaker 4: and the Patriots have done in the past with a

2020
01:29:40,240 --> 01:29:44,400
Speaker 4: couple of guys. Yesterday's offer ain't today's offer. So you

2021
01:29:44,439 --> 01:29:45,679
Speaker 4: want to wait till training camp?

2022
01:29:45,960 --> 01:29:49,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe it's see what happens. Yeah, I just I

2023
01:29:49,720 --> 01:29:53,280
Speaker 3: never would have let let him leave the building quite honestly.

2024
01:29:52,920 --> 01:29:59,160
Speaker 21: So true. Just one more question, real and I'm out

2025
01:29:59,200 --> 01:30:02,479
Speaker 21: your way to do to you always stay the draft.

2026
01:30:02,520 --> 01:30:05,000
Speaker 21: I agree with you, it was I really do. Okay,

2027
01:30:05,000 --> 01:30:08,519
Speaker 21: it's just look at look at their history, the drafting receivers.

2028
01:30:09,000 --> 01:30:11,800
Speaker 21: I don't find this steward. This is the only team

2029
01:30:12,280 --> 01:30:14,960
Speaker 21: that can just, you like, fit up when it comes

2030
01:30:15,000 --> 01:30:18,720
Speaker 21: to a received I don't understand why y'all can't identify.

2031
01:30:19,720 --> 01:30:22,400
Speaker 21: It's like it's kryptonite to the Patriots for some reason.

2032
01:30:22,600 --> 01:30:24,200
Speaker 21: I don't I don't know, I.

2033
01:30:24,160 --> 01:30:27,280
Speaker 4: Know it's it's true because that's what that's one of

2034
01:30:27,320 --> 01:30:30,360
Speaker 4: the only positions that these young guys leave here and

2035
01:30:30,400 --> 01:30:32,160
Speaker 4: they don't do anything anywhere else. There's a lot of

2036
01:30:32,200 --> 01:30:36,439
Speaker 4: positions that they draft, you know, whether the mid round picks,

2037
01:30:36,520 --> 01:30:39,439
Speaker 4: late round picks. You know, you see some promises, you know,

2038
01:30:39,520 --> 01:30:44,920
Speaker 4: guys catch on elsewhere they receive, like like Taylor Price,

2039
01:30:45,680 --> 01:30:53,120
Speaker 4: Nikhil Harry, Aaron Dobson, Brandon Tate, like these guys with

2040
01:30:53,840 --> 01:30:58,400
Speaker 4: Josh boy really Josh Boyce, and I like I liked boys.

2041
01:30:58,880 --> 01:31:05,480
Speaker 4: I did, I like boys, but none of those guys

2042
01:31:05,479 --> 01:31:07,280
Speaker 4: ever went somewhere up. So it's not even like you

2043
01:31:07,280 --> 01:31:09,360
Speaker 4: could say, well it's a development problem, like they're not

2044
01:31:09,400 --> 01:31:12,320
Speaker 4: developing the receivers. No, they're picking the wrong ones. They're

2045
01:31:12,320 --> 01:31:13,599
Speaker 4: not doing anything anywhere else either.

2046
01:31:13,640 --> 01:31:15,519
Speaker 7: And it's funny like not to like put too much,

2047
01:31:15,560 --> 01:31:17,880
Speaker 7: but I mean, you know, I followed the draft when

2048
01:31:17,920 --> 01:31:20,280
Speaker 7: I was Patriots blogger boy and pomp palm ware and

2049
01:31:20,360 --> 01:31:23,400
Speaker 7: doing all that stuff. And even then it was like

2050
01:31:23,720 --> 01:31:25,560
Speaker 7: Aaron Dawson, like Nikhil.

2051
01:31:25,280 --> 01:31:29,000
Speaker 3: Harriet, like like even that guy that blogger like it.

2052
01:31:28,880 --> 01:31:31,800
Speaker 2: Was it was scratch. It's just over the years, it's

2053
01:31:31,880 --> 01:31:35,760
Speaker 2: just been too much going against rain Jermaine cunning Hand,

2054
01:31:36,360 --> 01:31:39,280
Speaker 2: things like that. It's just overthinking it.

2055
01:31:39,479 --> 01:31:41,800
Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, and it's like if you're gonna, I

2056
01:31:41,800 --> 01:31:44,479
Speaker 7: don't know, there's just been so many you can go

2057
01:31:44,560 --> 01:31:46,400
Speaker 7: back and rewrite it and you know, say they could

2058
01:31:46,439 --> 01:31:48,559
Speaker 7: have had this, they could have had that. But like

2059
01:31:48,640 --> 01:31:50,479
Speaker 7: it just it doesn't seem that hard to look at

2060
01:31:50,520 --> 01:31:52,880
Speaker 7: a J. Brown and Deebo Samuel and say, these guys

2061
01:31:52,960 --> 01:31:56,320
Speaker 7: pit exactly the kind of what they tell us they want, tough,

2062
01:31:56,680 --> 01:31:58,240
Speaker 7: versatile players that don't.

2063
01:31:58,360 --> 01:31:59,559
Speaker 2: Don't get me started about debo.

2064
01:32:00,160 --> 01:32:01,360
Speaker 6: I mean, it's not hard.

2065
01:32:01,400 --> 01:32:03,479
Speaker 7: And I mean even you know, the guys who should

2066
01:32:03,479 --> 01:32:06,360
Speaker 7: be like I love every pick were like, really, like

2067
01:32:06,439 --> 01:32:08,360
Speaker 7: that doesn't seem like you're kind of guy, Like that

2068
01:32:08,400 --> 01:32:11,439
Speaker 7: doesn't seem what I just there's been so many of those,

2069
01:32:11,520 --> 01:32:13,360
Speaker 7: like like you said, I mean, on both sides of

2070
01:32:13,400 --> 01:32:15,640
Speaker 7: the ball, but but specifically the receiver. It's hard to

2071
01:32:15,680 --> 01:32:18,800
Speaker 7: remember the last time they drafted a wide receiver that

2072
01:32:18,840 --> 01:32:21,320
Speaker 7: you were like, Oh, this guy's going to be good,

2073
01:32:21,360 --> 01:32:23,759
Speaker 7: this is what they need. Like even Thornton, You're like, Okay,

2074
01:32:23,760 --> 01:32:25,759
Speaker 7: that doesn't really seem like they're kind of guy though He's.

2075
01:32:25,600 --> 01:32:28,720
Speaker 3: When they drafted when they drafted Thornton, I was like,

2076
01:32:28,760 --> 01:32:30,559
Speaker 3: so he ran a four two eight and you drafted

2077
01:32:30,640 --> 01:32:34,439
Speaker 3: him the second round like that needed because because his

2078
01:32:34,520 --> 01:32:36,600
Speaker 3: film was not I mean, he had good stats at

2079
01:32:36,600 --> 01:32:38,479
Speaker 3: Baylor his last year there, I think almost put up

2080
01:32:38,520 --> 01:32:40,600
Speaker 3: like a thousand yards in their offense and was a

2081
01:32:40,640 --> 01:32:42,920
Speaker 3: productive player. But he was a productive player because he

2082
01:32:43,000 --> 01:32:45,120
Speaker 3: ran away from everybody at the college level. Right it's

2083
01:32:45,120 --> 01:32:47,080
Speaker 3: his wide open game and he runs his four two eight.

2084
01:32:47,120 --> 01:32:50,120
Speaker 3: It's just basically like running one hundred meter and he's

2085
01:32:50,200 --> 01:32:52,760
Speaker 3: and he's the fastest guy on the field. But he

2086
01:32:53,000 --> 01:32:56,080
Speaker 3: his route running was raw in college. Like his ability

2087
01:32:56,160 --> 01:32:58,559
Speaker 3: to really break down and get open at the top

2088
01:32:58,600 --> 01:33:01,160
Speaker 3: of the route and do all those things was was

2089
01:33:01,200 --> 01:33:04,040
Speaker 3: a developmental project to begin with. And then you add

2090
01:33:04,080 --> 01:33:06,519
Speaker 3: on top of their their failures in the draft of

2091
01:33:06,560 --> 01:33:10,200
Speaker 3: that position, you're like, so you drafted a developmental receiver

2092
01:33:10,680 --> 01:33:16,320
Speaker 3: which you can't develop, So like forget about Like, you know,

2093
01:33:16,360 --> 01:33:18,320
Speaker 3: I know everybody, George Pickens is like the one that

2094
01:33:18,360 --> 01:33:21,120
Speaker 3: everybody's like, well, why didn't they draft George Pickens? But

2095
01:33:21,160 --> 01:33:23,240
Speaker 3: there was also guys, you know, like Alex Pierce, who's

2096
01:33:23,240 --> 01:33:25,920
Speaker 3: had a decent rookie season with Indianapolis, Like these were

2097
01:33:25,920 --> 01:33:28,880
Speaker 3: guys were finished, Like they were like finished more finished

2098
01:33:28,920 --> 01:33:31,680
Speaker 3: products coming in, you know, and they had some more

2099
01:33:31,720 --> 01:33:34,040
Speaker 3: polished to them and some more experience. And it was like,

2100
01:33:35,240 --> 01:33:37,400
Speaker 3: if you can't develop the position, then you at least

2101
01:33:37,400 --> 01:33:39,040
Speaker 3: go for the high floor guy, like and you at

2102
01:33:39,080 --> 01:33:42,599
Speaker 3: least just get a guy that can play right and

2103
01:33:42,680 --> 01:33:45,280
Speaker 3: like forget about trying to chase the four two eight

2104
01:33:45,320 --> 01:33:48,439
Speaker 3: speedster ceiling type players. And but I will say, like

2105
01:33:48,479 --> 01:33:51,160
Speaker 3: to be fair to them, there's also like a little

2106
01:33:51,200 --> 01:33:52,760
Speaker 3: bit of a chicken or the egg situation with the

2107
01:33:52,840 --> 01:33:55,360
Speaker 3: draft of that they don't really use very many high

2108
01:33:55,400 --> 01:33:58,959
Speaker 3: picks on receivers. So you know, it's.

2109
01:34:00,280 --> 01:34:02,880
Speaker 2: As we know, is that's why Nikhil Harry was such

2110
01:34:02,880 --> 01:34:06,160
Speaker 2: a bust. I mean, they finally did and they picked

2111
01:34:06,200 --> 01:34:07,519
Speaker 2: the wrong one, you know.

2112
01:34:07,680 --> 01:34:09,760
Speaker 3: I mean I think, yeah, but even him is just

2113
01:34:09,800 --> 01:34:12,080
Speaker 3: thirty second overall. Like it's not like they drafted him

2114
01:34:12,080 --> 01:34:15,439
Speaker 3: in the top ten, right, So my point is you

2115
01:34:15,479 --> 01:34:17,720
Speaker 3: know that they don't you have to be fair in

2116
01:34:17,760 --> 01:34:20,080
Speaker 3: the fact that they're near the bottom of the league

2117
01:34:20,120 --> 01:34:22,920
Speaker 3: in like first round picks, top fifty picks, top one

2118
01:34:23,000 --> 01:34:26,080
Speaker 3: hundred picks use at that position. They just don't value it.

2119
01:34:26,320 --> 01:34:29,680
Speaker 3: They just don't value it. And we might all we

2120
01:34:29,800 --> 01:34:32,160
Speaker 3: valuated a ton or I valuated a ton, and maybe

2121
01:34:32,400 --> 01:34:35,360
Speaker 3: like they're right and I'm wrong about it. But I

2122
01:34:35,479 --> 01:34:36,800
Speaker 3: just look at the rest of the league, like I

2123
01:34:36,800 --> 01:34:38,920
Speaker 3: look at what the other teams are doing, and what

2124
01:34:39,000 --> 01:34:42,200
Speaker 3: the other teams value and what they see and at

2125
01:34:42,240 --> 01:34:45,679
Speaker 3: their receiver position, and they are all skewing towards throwing

2126
01:34:45,760 --> 01:34:50,200
Speaker 3: every single asset at possible draft picks, money, whatever to

2127
01:34:50,240 --> 01:34:53,599
Speaker 3: get those guys in the building. And the Patriots just don't.

2128
01:34:53,800 --> 01:34:57,520
Speaker 3: They just don't see it as an important like investment.

2129
01:34:58,479 --> 01:35:01,680
Speaker 2: Dan and Virginia and Michigan. Uh, to hark back to

2130
01:35:01,720 --> 01:35:05,679
Speaker 2: an old PFW argument. Given the definition you've just given

2131
01:35:06,160 --> 01:35:09,320
Speaker 2: of a game manager quarterback, compare and contrasts the relative

2132
01:35:09,320 --> 01:35:13,600
Speaker 2: skill levels of a game manager quarterback and a journeyman quarterback.

2133
01:35:14,600 --> 01:35:15,920
Speaker 4: Journeyman's are a lot of teams.

2134
01:35:16,080 --> 01:35:18,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, journeyman's aren't. They're not as good.

2135
01:35:18,520 --> 01:35:21,200
Speaker 7: They're usually game managers who just can't really share a

2136
01:35:21,200 --> 01:35:21,760
Speaker 7: starting job.

2137
01:35:21,800 --> 01:35:27,000
Speaker 4: And that is both a game manager and a journeyman, right, perfect.

2138
01:35:26,640 --> 01:35:28,720
Speaker 3: And I mean and Jimmy Garoppolo is slowly.

2139
01:35:28,400 --> 01:35:30,880
Speaker 7: Becoming a game manager and a journeyman, like you know,

2140
01:35:31,000 --> 01:35:32,479
Speaker 7: it's third team now.

2141
01:35:33,720 --> 01:35:36,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, but he never played for the Patriots, so like

2142
01:35:36,320 --> 01:35:39,720
Speaker 4: that one doesn't really but like yeah, like I think

2143
01:35:39,720 --> 01:35:42,559
Speaker 4: once you start bouncing around from team to team, but.

2144
01:35:42,479 --> 01:35:43,800
Speaker 6: Those are the guys, right, I mean, that's what you

2145
01:35:43,840 --> 01:35:44,839
Speaker 6: want to back up quarterback.

2146
01:35:44,880 --> 01:35:46,640
Speaker 7: You want a guy who's smart, who's not going to

2147
01:35:46,680 --> 01:35:49,080
Speaker 7: come in and throw terrible, you know, picks and make

2148
01:35:49,160 --> 01:35:51,320
Speaker 7: bad decisions and it's just gonna you know, keep things

2149
01:35:51,320 --> 01:35:51,720
Speaker 7: steady for.

2150
01:35:51,720 --> 01:35:52,320
Speaker 2: A little while.

2151
01:35:52,640 --> 01:35:55,960
Speaker 7: Yeah, Like, like Brian Hoyer is a journeyman if there

2152
01:35:55,960 --> 01:35:58,320
Speaker 7: ever was one, right, but not a game manager now

2153
01:35:58,400 --> 01:36:00,759
Speaker 7: because he doesn't play, doesn't.

2154
01:36:00,560 --> 01:36:04,280
Speaker 2: He didn't manage it, doesn't manage well, yeah, game managers

2155
01:36:04,320 --> 01:36:05,240
Speaker 2: don't throw picks.

2156
01:36:05,439 --> 01:36:06,400
Speaker 6: But that's kind of what you thought.

2157
01:36:06,439 --> 01:36:07,760
Speaker 3: I mean that's when you when you know they kept

2158
01:36:07,760 --> 01:36:08,519
Speaker 3: bringing him back.

2159
01:36:08,360 --> 01:36:10,320
Speaker 7: You're like, well, he knows the system and he'll come

2160
01:36:10,360 --> 01:36:12,880
Speaker 7: in and he's not gonna you know, go crazy and

2161
01:36:12,920 --> 01:36:13,760
Speaker 7: lose his mind out there.

2162
01:36:13,800 --> 01:36:15,559
Speaker 6: And I mean he went crazy and lost his mind.

2163
01:36:15,560 --> 01:36:22,360
Speaker 2: But uh, let's see. Ricardo from Italy a big fan

2164
01:36:22,439 --> 01:36:25,920
Speaker 2: of the show. After the Juwan Bentley extension, what do

2165
01:36:26,000 --> 01:36:28,559
Speaker 2: you think of his future as a Patriot and what

2166
01:36:28,680 --> 01:36:32,439
Speaker 2: are you are your expectations in the coming season four him.

2167
01:36:32,720 --> 01:36:36,040
Speaker 7: He'll keep signing two year incentive lative deals until he retires.

2168
01:36:36,439 --> 01:36:38,400
Speaker 6: I don't know. I think he's a good thing.

2169
01:36:39,920 --> 01:36:40,240
Speaker 4: It's been.

2170
01:36:40,479 --> 01:36:42,920
Speaker 7: I just I would say Jawan Bentley can play on

2171
01:36:43,040 --> 01:36:46,120
Speaker 7: my team anytime. Like that guy, the way, the way

2172
01:36:46,160 --> 01:36:48,799
Speaker 7: he talks, the way he plays, the way he prepares.

2173
01:36:48,840 --> 01:36:50,280
Speaker 6: I mean, he's just he does everything right.

2174
01:36:50,320 --> 01:36:52,120
Speaker 7: And I I, like I said at the top, I

2175
01:36:52,200 --> 01:36:54,519
Speaker 7: just I'm surprised that I think it would have been

2176
01:36:54,520 --> 01:36:56,040
Speaker 7: more impactful to me if they had signed him to

2177
01:36:56,040 --> 01:36:58,160
Speaker 7: a four year deal two years ago than to two

2178
01:36:58,240 --> 01:37:00,600
Speaker 7: year deals back to back where it just seems like

2179
01:37:00,600 --> 01:37:02,600
Speaker 7: they're kind of kicking the can down the road. It

2180
01:37:02,720 --> 01:37:04,559
Speaker 7: just signals this is a guy we love, we want

2181
01:37:04,600 --> 01:37:05,439
Speaker 7: him here for the long term.

2182
01:37:05,640 --> 01:37:09,519
Speaker 2: When Palm constructs his team, Bentley's on it because he's

2183
01:37:09,560 --> 01:37:12,479
Speaker 2: a good guy. Yeah yeah, well me yeah, solid guy.

2184
01:37:12,640 --> 01:37:13,360
Speaker 6: Plus he can play.

2185
01:37:13,560 --> 01:37:15,360
Speaker 4: I don't think what the good guys that can't play.

2186
01:37:15,400 --> 01:37:17,000
Speaker 4: I think he fills the roles tough.

2187
01:37:16,800 --> 01:37:18,280
Speaker 7: He's hard, nos, And I mean I think like this

2188
01:37:18,360 --> 01:37:20,519
Speaker 7: kind of goes to what Evan was saying too, is

2189
01:37:20,560 --> 01:37:23,479
Speaker 7: like I just I think they really value, for right

2190
01:37:23,560 --> 01:37:26,280
Speaker 7: or wrong, they value toughness, like that's like the element

2191
01:37:26,320 --> 01:37:28,080
Speaker 7: that we want to beat teams up. We want to

2192
01:37:28,160 --> 01:37:30,920
Speaker 7: draft Nikhil Harry. He's a big guy. He's going to

2193
01:37:31,000 --> 01:37:33,280
Speaker 7: be a tough, physical matchup. I don't think that they

2194
01:37:33,720 --> 01:37:38,160
Speaker 7: value speed and explosiveness as much as we want to

2195
01:37:38,320 --> 01:37:40,479
Speaker 7: physically manhandle teams. And I don't know if that's a

2196
01:37:40,520 --> 01:37:44,360
Speaker 7: direct kind of correlation to the league evolving into smaller,

2197
01:37:44,479 --> 01:37:46,639
Speaker 7: faster guys and we want to be the big beast.

2198
01:37:46,720 --> 01:37:48,800
Speaker 2: But I still think his two thousand and four right well.

2199
01:37:48,840 --> 01:37:50,439
Speaker 7: And I mean, and even a team like Tennessee that

2200
01:37:50,479 --> 01:37:53,519
Speaker 7: I feel like has executed that as actually executed that

2201
01:37:53,560 --> 01:37:55,320
Speaker 7: game plan where they've had a big, you know, tough

2202
01:37:55,360 --> 01:37:57,680
Speaker 7: team with good lines and you know, but they have

2203
01:37:57,720 --> 01:37:59,800
Speaker 7: a J. Brown and they have Derrick Henry who gives

2204
01:37:59,800 --> 01:38:03,599
Speaker 7: their whole team that personality. I feel like the Patriots

2205
01:38:03,640 --> 01:38:05,320
Speaker 7: kinda flirt with it, like, yes, they have some big

2206
01:38:05,320 --> 01:38:06,960
Speaker 7: guys who are tough, but I don't feel like they're

2207
01:38:07,000 --> 01:38:09,560
Speaker 7: overwhelmingly tough that they can just I mean, against the

2208
01:38:09,560 --> 01:38:09,960
Speaker 7: bad teams.

2209
01:38:10,000 --> 01:38:10,559
Speaker 6: It's sure works.

2210
01:38:10,560 --> 01:38:13,400
Speaker 7: It seems like that philosophy is great when you're playing

2211
01:38:13,439 --> 01:38:15,439
Speaker 7: a team that you know is sub half of the

2212
01:38:15,520 --> 01:38:17,759
Speaker 7: of the of the of the league. You know, usually

2213
01:38:17,800 --> 01:38:19,559
Speaker 7: they're able to have their way with those teams, maybe

2214
01:38:19,560 --> 01:38:23,040
Speaker 7: not necessarily you know, physically overwhelming them, but I just

2215
01:38:23,080 --> 01:38:25,080
Speaker 7: that's it seems like that's what they're invested in, is

2216
01:38:25,840 --> 01:38:27,760
Speaker 7: toughness and that kind of guy.

2217
01:38:27,880 --> 01:38:33,080
Speaker 3: They just their system defensively needs the type of player

2218
01:38:33,240 --> 01:38:36,280
Speaker 3: that Jawan Bentley is at the at the middle linebacker

2219
01:38:36,320 --> 01:38:40,439
Speaker 3: position because they play a so much odd front where

2220
01:38:41,200 --> 01:38:44,200
Speaker 3: the b gap bubble, like the area over the guard

2221
01:38:44,560 --> 01:38:47,160
Speaker 3: is uncovered, so the guard is free right, so he

2222
01:38:47,200 --> 01:38:50,240
Speaker 3: can he can combo, he can pull, and there's nobody's

2223
01:38:50,400 --> 01:38:53,120
Speaker 3: in the in the gap over him to threaten. So

2224
01:38:53,600 --> 01:38:56,200
Speaker 3: that means that that guard is now always going up

2225
01:38:56,240 --> 01:38:58,240
Speaker 3: to the second level of the defense. So if you

2226
01:38:58,280 --> 01:39:00,479
Speaker 3: can't have if you don't have a two hundred and

2227
01:39:00,520 --> 01:39:03,960
Speaker 3: fifty pounds sledgehammer that can take on the guard, then

2228
01:39:04,000 --> 01:39:06,479
Speaker 3: you're getting bowling pins right or you're just getting run

2229
01:39:06,479 --> 01:39:09,240
Speaker 3: over all the time. So if they don't have that player,

2230
01:39:09,640 --> 01:39:13,040
Speaker 3: and he is one of the best space compressors in

2231
01:39:13,080 --> 01:39:16,560
Speaker 3: the league, like just press the block, hold the gap,

2232
01:39:16,640 --> 01:39:21,400
Speaker 3: and play fundamentally sound in that role, that there is.

2233
01:39:21,960 --> 01:39:24,559
Speaker 3: He's I understand, like I said earlier, that he's not

2234
01:39:24,640 --> 01:39:26,880
Speaker 3: the sideline to sideline guy. He's not going to chase

2235
01:39:26,920 --> 01:39:29,639
Speaker 3: down Josh Allen. He's not gonna, you know, drop twenty

2236
01:39:29,680 --> 01:39:31,919
Speaker 3: yards into coverage and make a play on the football.

2237
01:39:31,960 --> 01:39:34,760
Speaker 3: But for what they really need him to do that

2238
01:39:34,880 --> 01:39:38,280
Speaker 3: allows them to be, you know, multiple with the safeties,

2239
01:39:38,320 --> 01:39:41,200
Speaker 3: that allows them to play an Adrian Phillips at the

2240
01:39:41,240 --> 01:39:43,840
Speaker 3: second level at two hundred and twenty pounds, is because

2241
01:39:43,840 --> 01:39:46,640
Speaker 3: they have a guy like Benley who's essentially like in

2242
01:39:46,720 --> 01:39:49,960
Speaker 3: most cases, like a fifth defensive lineman and really in

2243
01:39:50,000 --> 01:39:53,479
Speaker 3: reality and that's that's an important role in their defense.

2244
01:39:53,560 --> 01:39:57,080
Speaker 3: So I think Juwan Bentley personally. Drive Mayo said it

2245
01:39:57,120 --> 01:39:58,840
Speaker 3: last year that he thinks that he's one of the

2246
01:39:58,840 --> 01:40:01,840
Speaker 3: more underrated linebackers reason in the league, and I really

2247
01:40:01,840 --> 01:40:02,360
Speaker 3: think he is.

2248
01:40:03,240 --> 01:40:06,280
Speaker 2: Kyle and Pembroke, including last season in Jack Jones, there's

2249
01:40:06,320 --> 01:40:09,559
Speaker 2: been a lot of negativity surrounding the team. However, I'm

2250
01:40:09,600 --> 01:40:12,439
Speaker 2: wondering what positives you guys see and what gives you

2251
01:40:12,520 --> 01:40:15,040
Speaker 2: hope about the team. For me, I'm happy with the

2252
01:40:15,080 --> 01:40:17,439
Speaker 2: past couple of draft classes and I can't wait to

2253
01:40:17,479 --> 01:40:19,800
Speaker 2: see how they impact the team now that we have

2254
01:40:19,920 --> 01:40:20,799
Speaker 2: quality coaches.

2255
01:40:20,920 --> 01:40:24,040
Speaker 7: Yeah, Gonzalez, you know, key On White, very curious about

2256
01:40:24,080 --> 01:40:27,320
Speaker 7: keo On White, how how he turns out the young guys.

2257
01:40:27,320 --> 01:40:28,599
Speaker 6: I mean, that's that's what it is. I go back

2258
01:40:28,640 --> 01:40:29,160
Speaker 6: to the draft.

2259
01:40:29,200 --> 01:40:31,519
Speaker 7: How are these young guys progressing? Are they going to

2260
01:40:31,560 --> 01:40:34,080
Speaker 7: take the next step? I just that's the only way

2261
01:40:34,120 --> 01:40:36,799
Speaker 7: I really see out of the doldrums of the AFC

2262
01:40:36,840 --> 01:40:39,000
Speaker 7: East is to you know, develop these draft picks and

2263
01:40:39,040 --> 01:40:41,639
Speaker 7: really have them become elite players that they will then

2264
01:40:41,960 --> 01:40:42,879
Speaker 7: hopefully resign.

2265
01:40:43,720 --> 01:40:45,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, if you're not excited about your draft class before

2266
01:40:45,880 --> 01:40:50,160
Speaker 4: they played, yeah, I agree with everything Mike just said,

2267
01:40:50,160 --> 01:40:50,680
Speaker 4: but I haven't seen.

2268
01:40:50,720 --> 01:40:51,719
Speaker 6: They haven't played a game yet.

2269
01:40:51,840 --> 01:40:54,120
Speaker 2: Listen, I'm excited about the defense. I think there's some

2270
01:40:54,200 --> 01:40:58,960
Speaker 2: pieces there. If they can play cohesively, I think they've

2271
01:40:58,960 --> 01:41:01,599
Speaker 2: got something going. And then I'm excited to just see

2272
01:41:01,600 --> 01:41:04,800
Speaker 2: what Bill O'Brien does with the offense and how it improves.

2273
01:41:05,080 --> 01:41:11,080
Speaker 2: If it improves, you know, Like I'm excited for the season.

2274
01:41:11,160 --> 01:41:13,680
Speaker 2: I'm not, like, you know, they're not going to make

2275
01:41:13,720 --> 01:41:16,840
Speaker 2: the playoffs, So again I would say what happens, I'm sorry,

2276
01:41:16,840 --> 01:41:19,040
Speaker 2: but like you're three weeks ahead of training, Cam, I

2277
01:41:19,080 --> 01:41:20,800
Speaker 2: think yesterday was the three week mark.

2278
01:41:20,800 --> 01:41:24,000
Speaker 4: If you're not excited now, yeah, Like I don't know, like,

2279
01:41:24,760 --> 01:41:26,919
Speaker 4: are you alive? Do you care about football?

2280
01:41:27,000 --> 01:41:30,400
Speaker 2: Like people like some people are like dreading it. You're like, oh,

2281
01:41:30,439 --> 01:41:33,320
Speaker 2: well that's a different thing. That's worked, okay, So.

2282
01:41:33,200 --> 01:41:34,920
Speaker 4: But in terms of the season, I don't know how

2283
01:41:34,960 --> 01:41:36,720
Speaker 4: you can. But if you're an NFL fan, I don't

2284
01:41:36,720 --> 01:41:39,520
Speaker 4: know how you cannot be excited in all thirty two cities.

2285
01:41:39,280 --> 01:41:40,080
Speaker 2: Right, Why dread it?

2286
01:41:40,160 --> 01:41:40,240
Speaker 14: Like?

2287
01:41:40,320 --> 01:41:43,040
Speaker 2: Okay, so what if they're not good? Is it going

2288
01:41:43,120 --> 01:41:44,640
Speaker 2: to really kill you? Is it?

2289
01:41:44,760 --> 01:41:46,240
Speaker 4: You know, catch the ball kid?

2290
01:41:46,920 --> 01:41:50,040
Speaker 2: I just just have a good time with it. It's sports.

2291
01:41:50,479 --> 01:41:53,800
Speaker 3: I totally have the itch. I'm going crazy over here.

2292
01:41:53,880 --> 01:41:55,920
Speaker 7: Oh I'm glad my vacation's over and now and it's

2293
01:41:55,920 --> 01:41:57,720
Speaker 7: going to be just a slow burn and to get

2294
01:41:57,720 --> 01:41:59,920
Speaker 7: into it. But I mean, I think to Freend's point

2295
01:42:00,040 --> 01:42:02,240
Speaker 7: to it's it's it's really just what does what does

2296
01:42:02,280 --> 01:42:03,200
Speaker 7: this offense look like?

2297
01:42:03,280 --> 01:42:03,439
Speaker 2: Now?

2298
01:42:03,600 --> 01:42:05,160
Speaker 6: Like you know, I and you know, one of the.

2299
01:42:05,080 --> 01:42:07,200
Speaker 3: Callers said last year was was really rough.

2300
01:42:07,000 --> 01:42:09,120
Speaker 7: On MAC and you know, and I agree, and I

2301
01:42:09,120 --> 01:42:11,200
Speaker 7: want to see, all right, what's it look like now?

2302
01:42:11,200 --> 01:42:13,559
Speaker 7: He's got an offensive coordinator. It seems like they all

2303
01:42:13,560 --> 01:42:15,240
Speaker 7: know what they're doing. They're all on the same page

2304
01:42:15,320 --> 01:42:18,080
Speaker 7: right now. So now they have to execute, and you

2305
01:42:18,120 --> 01:42:20,320
Speaker 7: know it's you're gonna get some good joint practices against

2306
01:42:20,320 --> 01:42:22,880
Speaker 7: a couple you know, interesting teams, especially Green Bay they

2307
01:42:22,920 --> 01:42:23,880
Speaker 7: got you know, good defense.

2308
01:42:23,920 --> 01:42:26,360
Speaker 6: They're gonna both those teams got good defense. It's real

2309
01:42:26,400 --> 01:42:26,840
Speaker 6: good front.

2310
01:42:26,880 --> 01:42:28,680
Speaker 7: So you know, we're gonna get a good sense in

2311
01:42:28,720 --> 01:42:31,120
Speaker 7: the in the summer of what'sok what's cooking on offense?

2312
01:42:31,160 --> 01:42:33,320
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I can't wait to see Bill O'Brien, Like

2313
01:42:33,400 --> 01:42:35,880
Speaker 3: that's to me, that's the one. And I think, you know,

2314
01:42:36,160 --> 01:42:39,080
Speaker 3: just listening to him talk and watching you know, his

2315
01:42:39,200 --> 01:42:41,720
Speaker 3: film and from his past stops and things like that,

2316
01:42:41,840 --> 01:42:45,840
Speaker 3: like you just can see the the the brain right,

2317
01:42:45,880 --> 01:42:48,719
Speaker 3: like you see that this is like a real offensive guru.

2318
01:42:48,760 --> 01:42:50,599
Speaker 3: Like this is a guy that understands offensive.

2319
01:42:50,640 --> 01:42:52,200
Speaker 2: But if like you know, you come out of the

2320
01:42:52,240 --> 01:42:56,840
Speaker 2: gate and after week three like wow, Coast Range, it's clicking. Now, Yeah,

2321
01:42:56,920 --> 01:43:00,280
Speaker 2: I mean that's great, you know, second year guy. No,

2322
01:43:00,400 --> 01:43:02,920
Speaker 2: but like but at least you're like, Okay, they picked

2323
01:43:02,920 --> 01:43:04,760
Speaker 2: this guy in the first round and he's going to

2324
01:43:04,800 --> 01:43:05,559
Speaker 2: be a good player.

2325
01:43:05,640 --> 01:43:07,360
Speaker 3: Well, everybody thought he was good last year.

2326
01:43:07,479 --> 01:43:11,320
Speaker 4: So proves my point about first round offensive lineman. They

2327
01:43:11,360 --> 01:43:12,599
Speaker 4: can just basically exist.

2328
01:43:12,720 --> 01:43:15,759
Speaker 3: They're not he gotched three times, but sorry.

2329
01:43:16,080 --> 01:43:18,360
Speaker 4: As long as they exist through the season, they're not

2330
01:43:18,439 --> 01:43:19,120
Speaker 4: a bust.

2331
01:43:19,600 --> 01:43:22,960
Speaker 2: Brian and Petucket, speaking of game managers and journeymen, Ryan

2332
01:43:23,000 --> 01:43:26,680
Speaker 2: Fitzpatrick was the rare journeyman that was definitely not a

2333
01:43:26,720 --> 01:43:27,439
Speaker 2: game manager.

2334
01:43:27,520 --> 01:43:28,080
Speaker 3: That's a good point.

2335
01:43:28,160 --> 01:43:28,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, he was kind of.

2336
01:43:29,920 --> 01:43:31,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I want to I want to go back

2337
01:43:31,479 --> 01:43:33,600
Speaker 4: to these kinds of time, so I know that no

2338
01:43:33,600 --> 01:43:37,240
Speaker 4: one cares, but I love these things. Just because you're

2339
01:43:37,240 --> 01:43:41,200
Speaker 4: a journeyman doesn't make you a game manager. Now, they're

2340
01:43:41,200 --> 01:43:43,800
Speaker 4: not mutually exclusive. You can be a game manager and

2341
01:43:44,000 --> 01:43:46,479
Speaker 4: a journeyman. And I would say if Kirk Cousins goes

2342
01:43:46,520 --> 01:43:49,240
Speaker 4: to a third team journeyman, he's right there for both.

2343
01:43:49,479 --> 01:43:49,679
Speaker 16: Right.

2344
01:43:51,000 --> 01:43:53,720
Speaker 4: But yeah, no one would ever call Ryan Fitzpatrick's a

2345
01:43:53,720 --> 01:43:56,240
Speaker 4: game manager. It's a good example, but he's been on

2346
01:43:56,360 --> 01:44:00,719
Speaker 4: more team than anybody. He's definitely a journeyman three these teams.

2347
01:44:00,880 --> 01:44:03,200
Speaker 3: He's Brett Fav's worst marketing.

2348
01:44:04,760 --> 01:44:07,840
Speaker 2: Brendan and Clinton question for Evan, do you know.

2349
01:44:07,800 --> 01:44:10,439
Speaker 4: How many games under five hundred. Ryan Fitzpatrick is for

2350
01:44:10,479 --> 01:44:13,519
Speaker 4: a season for his career, That's my point. And you

2351
01:44:13,560 --> 01:44:14,519
Speaker 4: think that's Brett Farv.

2352
01:44:15,240 --> 01:44:18,559
Speaker 6: How many losing seasons and Brett Farv half one.

2353
01:44:18,960 --> 01:44:19,719
Speaker 3: I'm just messing.

2354
01:44:21,479 --> 01:44:23,400
Speaker 6: I like the line, though I might steal it.

2355
01:44:23,800 --> 01:44:25,719
Speaker 4: He's spread off with the worst marketing.

2356
01:44:26,160 --> 01:44:29,400
Speaker 2: I might steal that question for Evan. You stated, by

2357
01:44:29,439 --> 01:44:34,000
Speaker 2: the way, was interrupted Ryan Fitzpatrick at Wimbledon the other day.

2358
01:44:34,280 --> 01:44:38,600
Speaker 2: I think I know, I think I saw Ryan Fitzpatrick.

2359
01:44:38,600 --> 01:44:43,360
Speaker 3: I mean mean Moran.

2360
01:44:41,280 --> 01:44:44,920
Speaker 2: Conn stated the Parker extension makes it less likely to

2361
01:44:44,960 --> 01:44:47,559
Speaker 2: sign Hopkins. If that's true, than who in your eyes

2362
01:44:47,840 --> 01:44:50,800
Speaker 2: has filled agal or spot. I feel the opposite. I

2363
01:44:50,840 --> 01:44:54,360
Speaker 2: think the Marker signing helps the Hopkins sign it does neither.

2364
01:44:54,880 --> 01:44:55,559
Speaker 4: Never elevant.

2365
01:44:56,120 --> 01:44:58,280
Speaker 3: I just said, I don't know where that's coming from,

2366
01:44:58,360 --> 01:44:59,160
Speaker 3: honestly as I can.

2367
01:44:59,400 --> 01:45:02,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, we never broach that topic last week that it

2368
01:45:02,560 --> 01:45:04,280
Speaker 4: had really much of a bearing either way.

2369
01:45:05,040 --> 01:45:08,439
Speaker 2: And last, can Eldrick stop calling with basically the same

2370
01:45:08,479 --> 01:45:11,800
Speaker 2: comments on every call? Bill can coach but he can't GM.

2371
01:45:11,920 --> 01:45:14,479
Speaker 2: If he's so bad at GM, explain why he's the

2372
01:45:14,520 --> 01:45:16,960
Speaker 2: only GM to get the team to ten Super Bowls

2373
01:45:17,120 --> 01:45:19,920
Speaker 2: with six wins in twenty years because coachs couldn't do

2374
01:45:20,000 --> 01:45:22,960
Speaker 2: it with papers. So don't claim off with successes because

2375
01:45:22,960 --> 01:45:26,120
Speaker 2: of Tom Brady. He's the most successful coach in GM

2376
01:45:26,200 --> 01:45:29,200
Speaker 2: in this era of the league, and you think he sucks.

2377
01:45:29,640 --> 01:45:32,679
Speaker 2: Most teams would kill to get to one Super Bowl

2378
01:45:32,680 --> 01:45:35,120
Speaker 2: in ten years. We get it. And you don't like

2379
01:45:35,160 --> 01:45:37,400
Speaker 2: Bill as a GM as a regular caller, why not

2380
01:45:37,479 --> 01:45:39,000
Speaker 2: bring something new to the table.

2381
01:45:42,200 --> 01:45:43,479
Speaker 6: I would just talk to you.

2382
01:45:43,479 --> 01:45:46,719
Speaker 4: If Bill Belichick was as equally adept as a coach

2383
01:45:46,840 --> 01:45:48,640
Speaker 4: as he is as a GM, he would not have

2384
01:45:48,680 --> 01:45:51,400
Speaker 4: gone to ten Super Bowls even with Tom Brady.

2385
01:45:54,240 --> 01:45:55,120
Speaker 7: I'm trying to put that.

2386
01:45:56,240 --> 01:45:58,600
Speaker 4: If he was the same level of coach as he

2387
01:45:58,680 --> 01:46:01,160
Speaker 4: is a GM, he would not have gone to ten

2388
01:46:01,240 --> 01:46:01,840
Speaker 4: Super Bowls.

2389
01:46:02,080 --> 01:46:05,519
Speaker 2: He would have gone to more, saying he would be

2390
01:46:05,560 --> 01:46:06,240
Speaker 2: a bad coach.

2391
01:46:06,880 --> 01:46:09,280
Speaker 3: Oh, I was the other way around.

2392
01:46:10,280 --> 01:46:10,680
Speaker 4: You got it.

2393
01:46:10,720 --> 01:46:11,559
Speaker 6: I got it. I took I.

2394
01:46:13,840 --> 01:46:18,040
Speaker 2: Honestly. You know, we talked about like being ahead being

2395
01:46:18,200 --> 01:46:21,599
Speaker 2: the CEO in the NFL, meaning a head coach with

2396
01:46:21,680 --> 01:46:25,080
Speaker 2: all the power, And to me, that's one of Bill's

2397
01:46:26,160 --> 01:46:29,280
Speaker 2: things that I'm I'm most impressed about is the fact

2398
01:46:29,320 --> 01:46:31,519
Speaker 2: that he is the head coach. He is the GM.

2399
01:46:31,600 --> 01:46:34,519
Speaker 2: He controls everything, and he's been able to keep it

2400
01:46:35,439 --> 01:46:39,000
Speaker 2: together for as long as he has. That's to me,

2401
01:46:39,120 --> 01:46:43,639
Speaker 2: that's his That's a huge accomplishment. Besides the winning. That's

2402
01:46:43,680 --> 01:46:46,960
Speaker 2: not easy to do to to be in control of

2403
01:46:47,000 --> 01:46:50,519
Speaker 2: the whole thing and and it and it doesn't spin

2404
01:46:50,600 --> 01:46:53,320
Speaker 2: out of control like in many other teams, you know,

2405
01:46:53,560 --> 01:46:57,360
Speaker 2: with the with the internal squabbles and the entitlement that

2406
01:46:57,360 --> 01:47:01,320
Speaker 2: comes with winning, and and players wanting more money and

2407
01:47:01,320 --> 01:47:04,880
Speaker 2: and all that which which happens on every team. And

2408
01:47:04,920 --> 01:47:08,080
Speaker 2: he's been in you know it has it happened here here, yes,

2409
01:47:08,120 --> 01:47:12,360
Speaker 2: But he's controlled it. And to me, that's huge that

2410
01:47:12,439 --> 01:47:13,240
Speaker 2: he's been able to.

2411
01:47:13,200 --> 01:47:16,800
Speaker 3: Do that he has built because I take as many

2412
01:47:16,800 --> 01:47:19,840
Speaker 3: shots that build the GM as anybody, including Eldred, But

2413
01:47:20,160 --> 01:47:24,840
Speaker 3: he has built a ridiculously stable program. Like the program

2414
01:47:24,920 --> 01:47:25,720
Speaker 3: like just talking about it.

2415
01:47:25,800 --> 01:47:30,040
Speaker 2: I give Crass credit for that too, but Brady get

2416
01:47:30,040 --> 01:47:35,760
Speaker 2: any of that credit. But you know, like like the callers,

2417
01:47:35,760 --> 01:47:38,479
Speaker 2: like the email has said, you know, the colt said,

2418
01:47:38,800 --> 01:47:41,480
Speaker 2: Peyton Manning And they didn't win six super Bowls.

2419
01:47:41,360 --> 01:47:43,799
Speaker 4: But they won, but they did the same thing. They

2420
01:47:43,640 --> 01:47:47,080
Speaker 4: were consistently a Super Bowl contender every year. Yeah, from

2421
01:47:47,120 --> 01:47:49,960
Speaker 4: Brady's second. I mean Manning second year on, they did

2422
01:47:49,960 --> 01:47:52,160
Speaker 4: the same thing. I the Patriots were better. That's why

2423
01:47:52,200 --> 01:47:53,400
Speaker 4: they didn't win six Super Bowls.

2424
01:47:53,880 --> 01:47:57,479
Speaker 2: You know, maybe if Belichick was with Manning then they

2425
01:47:57,479 --> 01:47:59,960
Speaker 2: would have been I don't know, but I give Belichi

2426
01:48:00,120 --> 01:48:03,760
Speaker 2: Check all the credit in the world for managing the

2427
01:48:03,840 --> 01:48:08,320
Speaker 2: team and constructing. Like Evan said, you know or you know,

2428
01:48:08,360 --> 01:48:11,839
Speaker 2: I give Brady a system that is just it's endured

2429
01:48:12,600 --> 01:48:13,599
Speaker 2: over twenty years.

2430
01:48:13,640 --> 01:48:15,320
Speaker 4: And you know, when you can voucher me on this,

2431
01:48:15,960 --> 01:48:19,519
Speaker 4: I've changed on this. I was with Fred, Yeah, I

2432
01:48:19,600 --> 01:48:20,760
Speaker 4: was with Fred ten years ago.

2433
01:48:20,840 --> 01:48:24,000
Speaker 3: But cam'p both things be true, though, right, yep, because

2434
01:48:24,040 --> 01:48:28,719
Speaker 3: I think that with Brady, Brady made the system excel

2435
01:48:28,840 --> 01:48:30,720
Speaker 3: to the level that it excelled at. And this is

2436
01:48:30,720 --> 01:48:33,519
Speaker 3: my biggest current gripe with Bill is that he's still

2437
01:48:33,560 --> 01:48:36,800
Speaker 3: operating the ship like he has Brady and he doesn't

2438
01:48:36,840 --> 01:48:37,439
Speaker 3: have Brady.

2439
01:48:37,520 --> 01:48:39,679
Speaker 4: But come to find out, he wasn't operating the ship

2440
01:48:39,680 --> 01:48:42,600
Speaker 4: in any particular way because he had Brady. That's the

2441
01:48:42,680 --> 01:48:45,040
Speaker 4: way he operated the ship. Yeah, right, and it happened

2442
01:48:45,040 --> 01:48:47,320
Speaker 4: to be. It happened to work. In my opinion, again,

2443
01:48:47,479 --> 01:48:50,639
Speaker 4: I'm revision is history. I was wrong on this I've

2444
01:48:50,680 --> 01:48:53,519
Speaker 4: changed my mind on this. I think it worked because

2445
01:48:53,760 --> 01:48:55,120
Speaker 4: Brady was just that good.

2446
01:48:55,000 --> 01:48:58,000
Speaker 3: Right, But that's sort of my point is that when

2447
01:48:58,040 --> 01:49:03,120
Speaker 3: you have a quarterback at Brady's level, you can make

2448
01:49:03,240 --> 01:49:08,519
Speaker 3: these little decisions below him, and you can these guys

2449
01:49:08,520 --> 01:49:11,760
Speaker 3: are become sort of interchangeable, right like everybody else sort

2450
01:49:11,760 --> 01:49:15,720
Speaker 3: of just becomes interchangeable, and they're they're in the right order,

2451
01:49:15,800 --> 01:49:18,280
Speaker 3: and like you can make a roster out of the

2452
01:49:18,280 --> 01:49:22,240
Speaker 3: middle class, because Brady's gonna take a really good one

2453
01:49:22,280 --> 01:49:25,360
Speaker 3: through fifty three middle class roster and win twelve thirteen

2454
01:49:25,439 --> 01:49:26,040
Speaker 3: games with it.

2455
01:49:26,080 --> 01:49:28,160
Speaker 4: And that's what he did. When you interchange with the

2456
01:49:28,200 --> 01:49:32,600
Speaker 4: wrong replacement, it didn't matter because he overcame it in

2457
01:49:32,640 --> 01:49:35,920
Speaker 4: my In my opinion, you're seeing him interchange with the

2458
01:49:35,960 --> 01:49:39,240
Speaker 4: wrong players too often. Now, what you guys are talking

2459
01:49:39,240 --> 01:49:42,759
Speaker 4: about about replacing guys in the draft and getting a receiver,

2460
01:49:42,960 --> 01:49:45,080
Speaker 4: that's what didn't matter when you had him. But I

2461
01:49:45,080 --> 01:49:47,880
Speaker 4: don't think he was doing it because I have Brady,

2462
01:49:47,920 --> 01:49:50,040
Speaker 4: he'll make it work. I think he was doing because

2463
01:49:50,040 --> 01:49:51,400
Speaker 4: he thinks that's the way to do it, right.

2464
01:49:51,640 --> 01:49:54,559
Speaker 7: Yeah, I just but I just feel like, isn't comparing

2465
01:49:54,560 --> 01:49:56,559
Speaker 7: a head coach and a quarterback kind of apples to

2466
01:49:56,560 --> 01:49:58,680
Speaker 7: Orange is when you're trying to divvy up credit for

2467
01:49:58,880 --> 01:49:59,240
Speaker 7: things like.

2468
01:49:59,240 --> 01:50:01,559
Speaker 4: That, it's silly to radio, you know, Like that's what

2469
01:50:01,600 --> 01:50:02,439
Speaker 4: I'm hearing, Like.

2470
01:50:02,320 --> 01:50:04,200
Speaker 7: You can still be the greatest head coach of all

2471
01:50:04,280 --> 01:50:07,040
Speaker 7: time and you had a great player, Like it doesn't

2472
01:50:07,080 --> 01:50:09,519
Speaker 7: mean that you know that it was that the credit

2473
01:50:09,640 --> 01:50:11,559
Speaker 7: was equal. I don't know if if the two would

2474
01:50:11,560 --> 01:50:13,800
Speaker 7: have happened without either one of them, but you know,

2475
01:50:13,920 --> 01:50:16,720
Speaker 7: saying that that Brady was largely responsible for a lot

2476
01:50:16,760 --> 01:50:19,439
Speaker 7: of it, you know, the great majority of it. You know,

2477
01:50:19,600 --> 01:50:21,960
Speaker 7: it doesn't necessarily have to be a slight at Bill,

2478
01:50:22,040 --> 01:50:24,479
Speaker 7: Like it's still he's still an excellent right coach and he's.

2479
01:50:24,400 --> 01:50:26,280
Speaker 4: Established and like I said, it's just one of my

2480
01:50:26,680 --> 01:50:29,439
Speaker 4: sorry to take us out of, but I totally agree.

2481
01:50:29,479 --> 01:50:31,920
Speaker 4: And this is why it's like when Evan says, you know,

2482
01:50:31,960 --> 01:50:35,000
Speaker 4: it's can it be a little bit of Absolutely The

2483
01:50:35,160 --> 01:50:37,960
Speaker 4: true answer is they needed each other, right, I mean,

2484
01:50:37,960 --> 01:50:41,599
Speaker 4: that's the great But I would have just told you

2485
01:50:41,920 --> 01:50:44,479
Speaker 4: that three or four years before the end of Brady.

2486
01:50:44,560 --> 01:50:46,760
Speaker 4: I was strongly in Fred will Vouchman this. I was

2487
01:50:46,800 --> 01:50:49,920
Speaker 4: strongly in that it's more about Bill, it's the discipline,

2488
01:50:49,960 --> 01:50:52,960
Speaker 4: it's the consistency, it's everything that he does to put

2489
01:50:52,960 --> 01:50:55,200
Speaker 4: it all together. That's why they're as good as they are.

2490
01:50:56,640 --> 01:51:01,120
Speaker 4: And you know, as Brady kept winning, I think less

2491
01:51:01,880 --> 01:51:05,559
Speaker 4: like that nineteen team was not very good, and here

2492
01:51:05,600 --> 01:51:08,719
Speaker 4: they are, you know, they winning twelve games again and whatever.

2493
01:51:09,160 --> 01:51:11,240
Speaker 4: And then to see what Brady eight no team ever

2494
01:51:11,360 --> 01:51:14,559
Speaker 4: to see what Brady did when he left, Like I've

2495
01:51:14,680 --> 01:51:17,240
Speaker 4: kind of like had my eyes opened a little bit.

2496
01:51:17,280 --> 01:51:19,520
Speaker 4: I think I was short changing Brady.

2497
01:51:19,240 --> 01:51:19,720
Speaker 6: A little bit.

2498
01:51:19,880 --> 01:51:22,519
Speaker 4: Not necessarily. I don't have anything to Bill. I think

2499
01:51:22,560 --> 01:51:25,080
Speaker 4: I short changed I think, you know, and I've come around.

2500
01:51:25,520 --> 01:51:29,000
Speaker 2: I think for a lot of people, their appreciation of

2501
01:51:29,080 --> 01:51:34,240
Speaker 2: Brady went over the top after he left, and they

2502
01:51:34,520 --> 01:51:37,360
Speaker 2: you appreciate sometimes you appreciate something when you don't have

2503
01:51:37,400 --> 01:51:40,759
Speaker 2: it more. And I think that's that's what happened with Brady.

2504
01:51:40,960 --> 01:51:43,840
Speaker 2: Happened to Douce, Yeah, I mean he showed like he

2505
01:51:43,920 --> 01:51:46,679
Speaker 2: goes to this new team and immediately wins the Super Bowl.

2506
01:51:46,720 --> 01:51:49,639
Speaker 3: I just think, like the whether like divving up credit,

2507
01:51:49,680 --> 01:51:51,439
Speaker 3: I don't really care about. My whole thing is just

2508
01:51:51,479 --> 01:51:54,840
Speaker 3: like where they're going now, and he's still operating like

2509
01:51:54,920 --> 01:51:57,519
Speaker 3: he has Brady like he's still making the same roster

2510
01:51:57,600 --> 01:52:00,640
Speaker 3: decisions that he would always make. I can criticize him

2511
01:52:00,640 --> 01:52:03,320
Speaker 3: for a lot, but he's one thing is he's consistent, right,

2512
01:52:03,360 --> 01:52:05,559
Speaker 3: Like he just does the same thing all every single time.

2513
01:52:05,600 --> 01:52:09,439
Speaker 3: We talked about those sixteen free agents earlier with high

2514
01:52:09,439 --> 01:52:13,400
Speaker 3: Tower and Chandler, Kyle Duggar, josh Uja, Mikeel Like, it's

2515
01:52:13,479 --> 01:52:16,639
Speaker 3: the same conversation that you guys had five years ago,

2516
01:52:16,720 --> 01:52:19,439
Speaker 3: six years ago, seven years ago with those guys, and

2517
01:52:19,560 --> 01:52:22,719
Speaker 3: at some point you have to recognize that you can't

2518
01:52:22,760 --> 01:52:26,000
Speaker 3: build the roster the same way. And he hasn't changed

2519
01:52:26,360 --> 01:52:29,760
Speaker 3: that philosophy. He's still sticking to the same plan when

2520
01:52:29,760 --> 01:52:33,160
Speaker 3: he doesn't have the guy at the top that was

2521
01:52:33,240 --> 01:52:37,200
Speaker 3: making it all, pulling it all together, and that.

2522
01:52:37,240 --> 01:52:39,200
Speaker 4: He thinks he's the guy who pulls it all together.

2523
01:52:40,960 --> 01:52:43,960
Speaker 3: Maybe that's it, Like maybe that realization is it. But

2524
01:52:44,000 --> 01:52:46,800
Speaker 3: I just think that they something has to give in

2525
01:52:46,800 --> 01:52:48,680
Speaker 3: that respect. Either he has to come to terms with

2526
01:52:48,720 --> 01:52:51,200
Speaker 3: the fact that he can't win at a high level

2527
01:52:51,760 --> 01:52:53,680
Speaker 3: doing it the same way because he's never going to

2528
01:52:53,720 --> 01:52:57,280
Speaker 3: get another Tom Brady, or they need to move on

2529
01:52:57,360 --> 01:52:59,759
Speaker 3: from mac Jones and go looking for the next Tom Brady.

2530
01:53:00,040 --> 01:53:03,600
Speaker 3: There's no that. That's that's the sticking point.

2531
01:53:04,560 --> 01:53:05,640
Speaker 4: Be interesting to see how that.

2532
01:53:06,240 --> 01:53:09,320
Speaker 2: Let's go back to the a sticking outline. Eric's in Virginia.

2533
01:53:09,400 --> 01:53:15,240
Speaker 2: Hey Eric, Eric, Hey, how a y'all doing this afternoon? Okay?

2534
01:53:15,439 --> 01:53:18,559
Speaker 22: Here, Hey first time color. I just want to say

2535
01:53:18,600 --> 01:53:20,760
Speaker 22: big fans of the show, thanks you. Any quick question though,

2536
01:53:20,800 --> 01:53:23,519
Speaker 22: you know, all over like Reddit and Twitter and stuff,

2537
01:53:23,560 --> 01:53:25,439
Speaker 22: you know, you got Robert Kraft out here saying, hey,

2538
01:53:26,439 --> 01:53:28,960
Speaker 22: money's ever been an issue? And kind of what Evan's

2539
01:53:28,960 --> 01:53:32,240
Speaker 22: been saying, Like, you know, Bill is operating on this like, hey,

2540
01:53:32,240 --> 01:53:35,000
Speaker 22: we're like a poor team. I'm gonna try to save

2541
01:53:35,040 --> 01:53:36,800
Speaker 22: the money as best I can. It's just kind of

2542
01:53:36,800 --> 01:53:39,439
Speaker 22: like I'm confused on what these two are doing with

2543
01:53:39,479 --> 01:53:41,960
Speaker 22: each other. It's like, hey, I get it, like Robert,

2544
01:53:42,040 --> 01:53:43,559
Speaker 22: you know, he's kind of reaching the end of the

2545
01:53:43,560 --> 01:53:45,800
Speaker 22: line here towards the end a couple of years God did,

2546
01:53:45,840 --> 01:53:48,280
Speaker 22: and he's like ready to spend money. So what's like,

2547
01:53:48,560 --> 01:53:51,200
Speaker 22: I guess my question is like I wonder what's it

2548
01:53:51,280 --> 01:53:53,000
Speaker 22: gonna take? Is it gonna I mean, I don't want

2549
01:53:53,000 --> 01:53:54,559
Speaker 22: to be one of those guys and say, hey, push

2550
01:53:54,600 --> 01:53:57,200
Speaker 22: Bill out. It's been a great twenty years. It's been

2551
01:53:57,240 --> 01:53:59,400
Speaker 22: a blast, and I don't want him to go. I

2552
01:53:59,400 --> 01:54:01,120
Speaker 22: want him to build go on its own terms. But

2553
01:54:01,680 --> 01:54:03,240
Speaker 22: kind of what Evan's been saying is like, why are

2554
01:54:03,280 --> 01:54:06,680
Speaker 22: we operating like this? You've got the money, Let's take

2555
01:54:06,720 --> 01:54:10,080
Speaker 22: a risk. Yeah, I think this off the line, but

2556
01:54:10,080 --> 01:54:12,679
Speaker 22: I just want to say thank y'all. And a real

2557
01:54:12,760 --> 01:54:14,320
Speaker 22: quick thing too, is I have a three year old

2558
01:54:14,320 --> 01:54:17,080
Speaker 22: who rides in my car and I always put the

2559
01:54:17,120 --> 01:54:19,720
Speaker 22: podcast on. I really do appreciate y'all, not like you know,

2560
01:54:19,760 --> 01:54:22,639
Speaker 22: customer a whole while as a parent, I can keep that.

2561
01:54:22,600 --> 01:54:24,760
Speaker 2: Show on my way try my.

2562
01:54:26,960 --> 01:54:33,040
Speaker 4: Two co hosts. Evidently Eric hates me.

2563
01:54:33,120 --> 01:54:36,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I see, you know I And that comment from

2564
01:54:37,120 --> 01:54:41,000
Speaker 2: Robert Kraft puts Bill under pressure, you know from the fans, like, well,

2565
01:54:41,040 --> 01:54:44,000
Speaker 2: the owner doesn't care about spending, and so you know,

2566
01:54:44,000 --> 01:54:46,600
Speaker 2: why doesn't Bill just overpay and get all the best players.

2567
01:54:46,640 --> 01:54:49,200
Speaker 2: You know, it's easy to say. It's easy to say,

2568
01:54:49,400 --> 01:54:52,720
Speaker 2: and I do think we've talked about it before. Bill

2569
01:54:52,880 --> 01:54:56,839
Speaker 2: does worry about the locker room and and the pecking

2570
01:54:57,000 --> 01:55:01,000
Speaker 2: order of of what people make. And I know that.

2571
01:55:01,680 --> 01:55:06,080
Speaker 2: You know, when Brady was here, you know, maybe for

2572
01:55:06,120 --> 01:55:08,040
Speaker 2: an instant you could be making a little bit more,

2573
01:55:08,040 --> 01:55:10,320
Speaker 2: but no one could make more than Tom Brady. You know,

2574
01:55:10,400 --> 01:55:13,720
Speaker 2: that's just not once he got his second, his third country, Yeah,

2575
01:55:13,920 --> 01:55:17,560
Speaker 2: that that just wasn't gonna fly. And that's and that's

2576
01:55:17,560 --> 01:55:21,280
Speaker 2: how Bill kind of you know, level the play, you know,

2577
01:55:21,800 --> 01:55:24,600
Speaker 2: set the standard. Again, he gets the most and everybody

2578
01:55:25,280 --> 01:55:27,640
Speaker 2: that guy right who was willing to take less.

2579
01:55:27,400 --> 01:55:30,400
Speaker 7: Who everyone in the locker room easily acknowledges it, right,

2580
01:55:30,960 --> 01:55:31,520
Speaker 7: And he's.

2581
01:55:31,360 --> 01:55:35,480
Speaker 4: Not making, you know, an outrageous amount. So someone could

2582
01:55:35,480 --> 01:55:37,400
Speaker 4: be second, third, fourth to him but still making a

2583
01:55:37,440 --> 01:55:40,200
Speaker 4: lot of money, right, he was making an average amount

2584
01:55:40,200 --> 01:55:41,280
Speaker 4: for what he could have been making.

2585
01:55:41,440 --> 01:55:45,480
Speaker 2: Yeah. So now it's it's you know, like so how

2586
01:55:45,520 --> 01:55:48,440
Speaker 2: does Bill set that standard? Now, Like who's the guy

2587
01:55:48,960 --> 01:55:51,560
Speaker 2: that he's going to be the top of our mack.

2588
01:55:51,920 --> 01:55:55,520
Speaker 4: Jud you know, set it on that thirty thirteen. So

2589
01:55:56,040 --> 01:55:58,240
Speaker 4: that's another thing that a lot of concerns.

2590
01:55:58,280 --> 01:56:03,560
Speaker 2: So Bill sets this artificial she'll you know, governor on himself.

2591
01:56:03,960 --> 01:56:06,640
Speaker 2: Like so what if how if somebody comes in and

2592
01:56:06,640 --> 01:56:08,920
Speaker 2: makes a little bit more than judea on JUDEO is

2593
01:56:08,920 --> 01:56:09,680
Speaker 2: gonna get over it?

2594
01:56:10,040 --> 01:56:12,240
Speaker 4: You know, and if he's changing economics in the league,

2595
01:56:12,320 --> 01:56:15,120
Speaker 4: right when you have to recognize that the highest paid

2596
01:56:15,120 --> 01:56:18,360
Speaker 4: player one year, the next year it's not even close.

2597
01:56:18,200 --> 01:56:22,080
Speaker 2: Right, So I mean that stuff, you know, you have

2598
01:56:22,160 --> 01:56:24,880
Speaker 2: to deal with that, you know, and I that's one

2599
01:56:24,920 --> 01:56:28,760
Speaker 2: of the problems right now. Now. I on the other hand,

2600
01:56:28,880 --> 01:56:31,080
Speaker 2: like even though Robert Kraft says that, I don't think

2601
01:56:31,080 --> 01:56:34,160
Speaker 2: Bill can just go and say, oh, we're gonna, you know,

2602
01:56:34,200 --> 01:56:37,720
Speaker 2: give Hopkins twenty two million dollars just to get it done. Now,

2603
01:56:38,040 --> 01:56:40,360
Speaker 2: that's where I think Robert would say, whoah, you know,

2604
01:56:40,800 --> 01:56:45,480
Speaker 2: everything we have from our you know, uh, scouts and

2605
01:56:45,520 --> 01:56:48,080
Speaker 2: everything says he's not worth even close to that money.

2606
01:56:48,120 --> 01:56:51,280
Speaker 2: So you're not gonna waste money like that. So it's

2607
01:56:51,520 --> 01:56:53,640
Speaker 2: it's just, you know what, there's a leveling there. But

2608
01:56:54,520 --> 01:56:58,720
Speaker 2: it's it's tough Bill. Bill always is worried about that

2609
01:56:58,800 --> 01:57:01,400
Speaker 2: locker room, you know, uh pecking what.

2610
01:57:01,680 --> 01:57:03,680
Speaker 7: I would I'd buy into it more too. If there

2611
01:57:03,720 --> 01:57:07,320
Speaker 7: had been players that they could have retained, had they

2612
01:57:07,360 --> 01:57:10,000
Speaker 7: paid them, that would have been impact star players that they.

2613
01:57:09,920 --> 01:57:10,680
Speaker 6: Just let walk.

2614
01:57:10,760 --> 01:57:13,280
Speaker 3: But I don't really see those players, you know, Like

2615
01:57:13,360 --> 01:57:14,440
Speaker 3: it's they.

2616
01:57:14,360 --> 01:57:16,240
Speaker 7: Just haven't had a lot of talent, they haven't really

2617
01:57:16,240 --> 01:57:18,879
Speaker 7: had internal people to spend that money on.

2618
01:57:19,240 --> 01:57:19,600
Speaker 6: And to me.

2619
01:57:19,720 --> 01:57:22,840
Speaker 7: That's the that's the original sin, not just hey, oh

2620
01:57:22,840 --> 01:57:25,200
Speaker 7: that gets back to your taking team. Like it's like

2621
01:57:25,600 --> 01:57:27,360
Speaker 7: if you had oh my god, I mean and you know,

2622
01:57:27,400 --> 01:57:29,200
Speaker 7: probably people would say, well, you could have paid Brady

2623
01:57:29,200 --> 01:57:32,280
Speaker 7: and you know that's you know, sure, but who who

2624
01:57:32,320 --> 01:57:34,200
Speaker 7: did you draft that you let go that you I mean,

2625
01:57:34,240 --> 01:57:34,960
Speaker 7: you guys brought.

2626
01:57:34,800 --> 01:57:35,920
Speaker 6: Up Collins and high Time.

2627
01:57:35,960 --> 01:57:38,160
Speaker 7: I mean, I remember one hundred percent being on that debate,

2628
01:57:38,200 --> 01:57:39,640
Speaker 7: and I was, you know, for right or wrong.

2629
01:57:39,680 --> 01:57:40,640
Speaker 6: I was on Jamie Collins.

2630
01:57:40,720 --> 01:57:42,480
Speaker 7: That was like I said, this is an athletic next

2631
01:57:42,520 --> 01:57:45,920
Speaker 7: generation linebacker. I love Dante high Tower. But that was

2632
01:57:45,960 --> 01:57:47,920
Speaker 7: my feeling at the time. And you know, meanwhile, they

2633
01:57:48,000 --> 01:57:48,480
Speaker 7: let him walk.

2634
01:57:48,520 --> 01:57:51,480
Speaker 2: He came back twice, but he really wasn't that guy.

2635
01:57:51,520 --> 01:57:52,520
Speaker 3: He really wasn't that guy.

2636
01:57:52,560 --> 01:57:53,480
Speaker 2: He was kind.

2637
01:57:55,000 --> 01:57:58,240
Speaker 7: Him right and and in the end, it probably you know,

2638
01:57:58,280 --> 01:58:00,160
Speaker 7: worked out the way it should have. I mean, I

2639
01:58:00,040 --> 01:58:02,400
Speaker 7: I guess I would have maybe said I could have

2640
01:58:02,760 --> 01:58:05,480
Speaker 7: it worked out terribly for Trey Flowers in Detroit after

2641
01:58:05,520 --> 01:58:05,960
Speaker 7: we left here.

2642
01:58:06,000 --> 01:58:07,760
Speaker 6: But I felt like he was a player that.

2643
01:58:07,800 --> 01:58:09,960
Speaker 7: Maybe you could have retained, that maybe could have still

2644
01:58:09,960 --> 01:58:12,000
Speaker 7: been here and still been you know, an impact player

2645
01:58:12,000 --> 01:58:12,320
Speaker 7: on the edge.

2646
01:58:12,320 --> 01:58:12,880
Speaker 6: But outside of.

2647
01:58:12,920 --> 01:58:15,040
Speaker 3: Him, Like, who did you have that you let go

2648
01:58:15,120 --> 01:58:15,680
Speaker 3: that you didn't.

2649
01:58:15,480 --> 01:58:15,920
Speaker 6: Want to pay.

2650
01:58:15,920 --> 01:58:21,520
Speaker 4: They definitely had that fifteen sixteen seventh, Like there was

2651
01:58:21,520 --> 01:58:24,080
Speaker 4: a I don't know exactly when it started, but there was.

2652
01:58:24,080 --> 01:58:25,240
Speaker 6: A down period in the draft.

2653
01:58:25,360 --> 01:58:28,080
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, they weren't getting any players right.

2654
01:58:27,920 --> 01:58:30,680
Speaker 2: Right right, and that set them back. It set them

2655
01:58:30,720 --> 01:58:33,320
Speaker 2: bash already a first show back. It went by in

2656
01:58:33,360 --> 01:58:36,360
Speaker 2: a flash, you know. That set them back. So I

2657
01:58:36,360 --> 01:58:38,400
Speaker 2: don't know, I don't I don't know what the answer is,

2658
01:58:38,840 --> 01:58:41,400
Speaker 2: but find out in three to your point, they've got it.

2659
01:58:41,440 --> 01:58:44,280
Speaker 2: They've got a draft better, you know, so that they

2660
01:58:44,360 --> 01:58:46,240
Speaker 2: get put themselves in a position where they have to

2661
01:58:46,240 --> 01:58:49,640
Speaker 2: make a decision of extending guys because they're that good,

2662
01:58:49,880 --> 01:58:50,160
Speaker 2: you know.

2663
01:58:50,400 --> 01:58:52,080
Speaker 7: And then and then if they don't extend them, then

2664
01:58:52,160 --> 01:58:52,839
Speaker 7: it's like, yeah.

2665
01:58:52,680 --> 01:58:55,080
Speaker 3: They're not doing Like well, that's how I feel about

2666
01:58:55,080 --> 01:58:58,160
Speaker 3: the twenty twenty guys, Like Douggar is an extendable player,

2667
01:58:58,400 --> 01:59:01,200
Speaker 3: Like there's no excuse to not so.

2668
01:59:01,120 --> 01:59:04,680
Speaker 2: We'll see what they do with him, you know. Yeah,

2669
01:59:04,720 --> 01:59:07,480
Speaker 2: but prior to those drafts, they didn't really have guys

2670
01:59:07,520 --> 01:59:08,880
Speaker 2: that were worthy of it.

2671
01:59:09,080 --> 01:59:11,240
Speaker 3: Like if we had just retained Sony Michelle, it would

2672
01:59:11,240 --> 01:59:11,920
Speaker 3: all have been fine.

2673
01:59:11,960 --> 01:59:15,080
Speaker 2: I got news, all right. That's going to be it

2674
01:59:15,120 --> 01:59:19,080
Speaker 2: for this edition of Patriots Unfiltered. We'll be back next week.

2675
01:59:20,440 --> 01:59:23,120
Speaker 2: Who knows what can happen between now and then. I'm

2676
01:59:23,160 --> 01:59:27,400
Speaker 2: sure anybody going on vacation next week. No, everybody's in okay,

2677
01:59:27,680 --> 01:59:33,520
Speaker 2: all right, Well, we'll see you next Tuesday. Thank you.

2678
01:59:33,640 --> 01:59:37,440
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2679
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