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Speaker 1: In this episode, I speak with qualified specialists. If you
Speaker 1: wish to explore any treatments or products mentioned, please consult
Speaker 1: with your doctor first. At the end of the day, though,
Speaker 1: I think I really recognize that with my age, I
Speaker 1: really need to be paying more attention to my skin
Speaker 1: because I think people would be surprised how little attention
Speaker 1: I paid to my skin. What's up, everybody, I'm Gammy
Speaker 1: and this is positively gam. Every week I have raw,
Speaker 1: in depth conversation with inspirational people pushing for change or
Speaker 1: everything from aging, relationships, politics, wellness, to the current issues
Speaker 1: facing the black community. In this episode, we're going to
Speaker 1: be discussing skincare because that is one of the top
Speaker 1: questions that I could ask all the time, my skincare
Speaker 1: routine and my exercise routine, from beauty routines to what
Speaker 1: happens to our skin as we age. That's what we're
Speaker 1: gonna talk about today. With us, we have Dr Heather
Speaker 1: Woolery Lloyd. Dr Woolery Lloyd is a board certified dermatologist
Speaker 1: and a member of the American College of Lifestyle. She
Speaker 1: currently serves as director of the Skin of Color Division
Speaker 1: for the University of Miami. Welcome, Dr Heather, thank you,
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for having me. Absolutely we are
Speaker 1: glad to have you on the show. Also with us
Speaker 1: is Dr Alicia Barba, a Miami based Board certified dermatologist
Speaker 1: who is a recognized authority on cosmetic dermatology and skin treatments.
Speaker 1: She is often asked to share her expert piece to
Speaker 1: the Spanish speaking media about the latest advancements in skincare.
Speaker 1: Welcome to Positively dam ladies. Thank you. So, I think
Speaker 1: I want to start out by just asking how does
Speaker 1: one determine what type of skin they have, whether they
Speaker 1: have oily skin or dry skin. How do you go
Speaker 1: about making that determination. I'm a full time working dermatologist,
Speaker 1: I'm in the trenches, so skincare is something that I
Speaker 1: do every day, and often times I find that patients
Speaker 1: know more or less what kind of skin they have.
Speaker 1: How about you, Yeah, I think you're right. I think
Speaker 1: most people do know that they have dry skin or
Speaker 1: sensitive skin or oily ethny prone skin. But in general,
Speaker 1: I think people are pretty well versed on that yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I pretty much have combination skin and more
Speaker 1: probably towards the oily side, which is great because I
Speaker 1: feel like when you're on the oily side, you can
Speaker 1: use more products because we don't have to worry when
Speaker 1: you're on the oath side. As derms, then we're just
Speaker 1: much more concerned is she gonna get irritated? Is she
Speaker 1: gonna have Like in darker skin types, if you get irritated,
Speaker 1: you can get something called post inflammatory hyperpigmentation. So that's
Speaker 1: something that I love when my patients say they're normal
Speaker 1: to oily, right, But it's much easier, especially when we're
Speaker 1: treating acne and teenagers. The worst type of teenager, the
Speaker 1: worst type of skin and a teenager is a teenager
Speaker 1: or or a woman even with adult acne that's already
Speaker 1: starting with dry skin. I find that for me that's
Speaker 1: the most challenging because acne medicines, for the most part,
Speaker 1: tend to dry the skin, and if you're already starting
Speaker 1: with dry skin, it's gonna be really hard for me
Speaker 1: to give you some of the best active mudians and
Speaker 1: prescriptions at skin care products and to treat your acne
Speaker 1: if you're already starting with a dry base, and even
Speaker 1: when I'm treating hyperpigmentation, same thing. The higher the ingredients,
Speaker 1: the more active ingredients, the more aggressive the regimen. Generally speaking,
Speaker 1: the more irritating, the more drying. You're lucky you eat
Speaker 1: now lifestyle. Does your lifestyle affect you're the type of
Speaker 1: skin that you have, or would it affect the type
Speaker 1: of skin routine you develop for yourself? Yes, definitely, lifestyle
Speaker 1: plays a huge role. As you mentioned, I'm board certified
Speaker 1: also in the specialty of lifestyle medicine, which is a
Speaker 1: specialty that focuses on lifestyle changes to treat and prevent
Speaker 1: chronic diseases. So you might think, what does that have
Speaker 1: to do with dermatology. It has everything to do with dermatology,
Speaker 1: because what's good for our body is good for our skin.
Speaker 1: So all the things we know we're supposed to do.
Speaker 1: We're supposed to eat lots of fruits and vegetables, were
Speaker 1: supposed to sleep well, right, get enough rest, and get
Speaker 1: enough good quality and quantity sleep. We're supposed to, you know,
Speaker 1: not be too stressed out. Stress has a tremendous impact
Speaker 1: on our skin. I definitely felt during the beginning of quarantine,
Speaker 1: I thought my skin change. I called Alicia, I said,
Speaker 1: you have to fix this. So there's so many lifestyle
Speaker 1: factors that influence our skin, and studies show that. So
Speaker 1: their studies that show people who eat more fruits and
Speaker 1: vegetables have younger looking skin. Their studies that show that
Speaker 1: if you live in a more polluted city, you have
Speaker 1: more wrinkles and more brown spots. So all of these
Speaker 1: things play a role. And you know, never underestimate the
Speaker 1: impact of lifestyle on your skin. And lifestyle is absolutely
Speaker 1: something that I take into consideration when I'm recommending skincare
Speaker 1: and when I'm recommending treatments. And so the very first
Speaker 1: question that I will ask a patient is what are
Speaker 1: you doing that exposes you to the sun. Are you
Speaker 1: a voter? Are you a golfer? Are you playing tennis?
Speaker 1: Are you outdoors with the kids at the park. Do
Speaker 1: you still have little kids where you have to be outdoors,
Speaker 1: you know, watching them swim. And the reason for this
Speaker 1: is because sun exposure is going to determine or how
Speaker 1: much sun exposure is going to determine what skincare active
Speaker 1: ingredients I'm gonna recommend, and what procedures I'm going to
Speaker 1: recommend or stay away from right because a lot of
Speaker 1: these ingredients and treatments do not go hand in hand
Speaker 1: with sun exposure. And so if it is somebody who's
Speaker 1: actively getting sunshine, I am going to stay away from
Speaker 1: some active ingredients and I am probably not going to
Speaker 1: recommend laser treatments for example. So lifestyle even determines what
Speaker 1: I can or can't do. Okay, so the listeners can't
Speaker 1: see me, but you guys can see my face as
Speaker 1: you're talking about the sun because I love the sun. Okay,
Speaker 1: I love the sun, but I don't I don't feel
Speaker 1: like it's something that I wouldn't say that my lifestyle
Speaker 1: has me out in the sun all the time. It's
Speaker 1: just when I go on vacation, I don't feel like
Speaker 1: I'm on vacation unless I'm at the beach. That's number one,
Speaker 1: and I wanna be Yeah, I mean I gotta have
Speaker 1: I gotta have the beach. I gotta have the waves,
Speaker 1: the surf, a pool. If I don't have that, then
Speaker 1: I'm not on vacation. We all Miami, So when you
Speaker 1: know I live here for a reason, Alicia lives here
Speaker 1: for a reason. You can love the sun. You have
Speaker 1: to wear sunscreen wear sunscreen, wear a hat. You know,
Speaker 1: as long as you really protect your skin, you can
Speaker 1: you know, you can't get excessive amounts of sun, but
Speaker 1: you don't have to hide. You want to live your life,
Speaker 1: but you have to protect yourself. And what I'm curious
Speaker 1: about is when you say you love the sun, do
Speaker 1: you love the sun where you actually have to go
Speaker 1: out there in a bathing suit to get a tan
Speaker 1: and feel the sun on your body on a weekly basis,
Speaker 1: on a monthly basis, once of one vacation out of
Speaker 1: the year. So what where are we on that? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's well because I I'm laughing because I know I'm wrong.
Speaker 1: I know I'm dead as wrong, but I have, Um,
Speaker 1: I have a pool, so I'm I spend my summer
Speaker 1: at the pool, at the pool, like swimming or actually
Speaker 1: on a lounge chair getting last you want to have,
Speaker 1: you want to get a little color, and you just
Speaker 1: love the feeling of the your skin. Yes, And it's
Speaker 1: just been I would say in this past year that
Speaker 1: I've been like, Okay, for real, you're sixty seven. Your
Speaker 1: skin cannot absolutely cannot handle this anymore. Because I have
Speaker 1: noticed that I have some dark spots on my forehead
Speaker 1: on my cheeks. I don't know if it's sun damage
Speaker 1: or if it's just age. It's both. It's the age,
Speaker 1: it's the accumulation of you know, all those years in
Speaker 1: the sun that presents at a certain age. So I
Speaker 1: always say it's both. I do wear sunscreen, though it's
Speaker 1: not I'm not out there just I mean, like when
Speaker 1: I was younger, I would just put on a sun
Speaker 1: tanning lotion. Yeah. I love this conversation because this is
Speaker 1: one that I have with my patients every single day
Speaker 1: in Miami, which would probably be the same conversation that
Speaker 1: I would have in California, in a state where there
Speaker 1: is sunshine around us year around, which is why we
Speaker 1: live in these amazing cities, right. So this is it
Speaker 1: is not uncommon for a patient to come to see
Speaker 1: me with brown spots, who loves the sun, likes to
Speaker 1: be outdoors, is on a boat, plays tennis, plays golf,
Speaker 1: and is getting active sun in the setting of complaining
Speaker 1: about dark spots, and that's my job really hard. I say,
Speaker 1: it's like the equivalent of you want to be skinny,
Speaker 1: and you're gonna work out three hours a day, but
Speaker 1: you're gonna go home and you're gonna eat the whole
Speaker 1: box of doughnuts? Are you gonna be skinny? Right? And
Speaker 1: you know, my patients always last when I give them
Speaker 1: that analogy, But my hands are tied. You're gonna have
Speaker 1: to You're gonna have to decide who you want to be.
Speaker 1: You know who you want to be, you know, gorgeous
Speaker 1: gam with you know, more uniform skin or are you
Speaker 1: going to say, you know what I need to do,
Speaker 1: what I need to do in order to feel good,
Speaker 1: relieve some of the stress, because especially now during COVID,
Speaker 1: a lot of us it's what we've done, right with
Speaker 1: those of us that are fortunate to live in a
Speaker 1: city that has to beat your pool and we can
Speaker 1: go and enjoy these things and get a little sunshine.
Speaker 1: And so I always say, you're gonna have to decide, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I will add. I am like you. I do being outside.
Speaker 1: I walk outside every single day for at least an
Speaker 1: hour in Florida sun now. But I do modify so
Speaker 1: I go early in the morning, so I try to
Speaker 1: finish my walk before eight am. That's ideal. I wear
Speaker 1: sunscreen and a huge visor, and I take roots that
Speaker 1: are shaded so you can spend out time outside and
Speaker 1: protect yourself. But if you need it, because you need it,
Speaker 1: I get it. Really make a huge effort. You if
Speaker 1: you're at home, cover yourself in sunscreen. It might not
Speaker 1: you know, might not look great. You might have that
Speaker 1: white gray cast all over your face. But cover your
Speaker 1: face and sunscreen so you don't get one drop of
Speaker 1: sun on your face. Wear a huge hat, sit under
Speaker 1: an umbrella, do all of those things so you still
Speaker 1: get that experience of being outside without you know, you
Speaker 1: can't escape it completely, but at least minimize it. I
Speaker 1: can do that. So is it is the face the
Speaker 1: main part of the body that I need to be
Speaker 1: really really worried about. As far as protection from the sun.
Speaker 1: I always tell my patients, were sunscreen every day on
Speaker 1: your face. My patients are gonna I'm not gonna be outside. Yes,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you two reasons why. One reason is
Speaker 1: because it becomes a habit. So just like everything in life,
Speaker 1: you know, if you put on sunscreen every single day,
Speaker 1: then when you really need it, you're already gonna have
Speaker 1: it on. So that's one reason. But also we know
Speaker 1: that UV a so we have different types of ultraviolet
Speaker 1: light from the sun. UV A and UVB uv A
Speaker 1: can penetrate windows. So they're actually pictures of people who
Speaker 1: worked next to a window their entire life, and one
Speaker 1: half of their faces completely wrinkled and the other half
Speaker 1: is completely normal. And so I do recommend a broad spectrum.
Speaker 1: It could be moisturized of a sunscreen as long as
Speaker 1: SPF thirty. You should wear a sunscreen every single day.
Speaker 1: It has to become a habit. It's like real estate,
Speaker 1: location and skincare. For me, it's sunscreen on your face
Speaker 1: every day. Okay, So SPF thirty is the number that
Speaker 1: we're looking for. Okay, got it. I want to talk
Speaker 1: a little bit. I think about how often do you
Speaker 1: think the average person should exfoliate? But how do you
Speaker 1: answer that question? There's so many different skin type and
Speaker 1: age and everything that's involved. How how do you determine that?
Speaker 1: I always say, if you have maybe once weekly for
Speaker 1: normal to dry, and if you're on the normal to
Speaker 1: dry side, your exfoliator might be something more gentle. It
Speaker 1: might not be you know, a really strong likecholic or
Speaker 1: a really strong retinal. Might be something else, maybe a
Speaker 1: mild mechanical ex foll leader. And if you're normal to oily.
Speaker 1: You can get a little more aggressive with that. You're
Speaker 1: exfoliating every time you bathe, that's right, and so there's that,
Speaker 1: you know, also to take into consideration. And what are
Speaker 1: you using when you bathe? You know, are you just
Speaker 1: using your hand, are using a washcloth, are using something
Speaker 1: like a mitten. That's a little rougher. So I agree
Speaker 1: it can be confusing. And so for the most part,
Speaker 1: I tell patients once a week is fine. In the summertime,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe twice a week is okay, especially if
Speaker 1: you're going to go to the beach and you know,
Speaker 1: you know, I want to make sure that everything is glowy.
Speaker 1: And but always if you're gonna remember one thing of
Speaker 1: this conversation is every time you exfoliate, you must moisturize.
Speaker 1: Exact system does not happen without moisturization. Like you need
Speaker 1: to put all of those things that you took off
Speaker 1: in addition to your skin cells there the dead skin cells.
Speaker 1: Good things came off, like your proteins and your lips
Speaker 1: and natural moisturizer. So you need to make sure that
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Speaker 1: Talk to me a little bit about retinal. That is
Speaker 1: a term that kind of is a little scary to
Speaker 1: be nothing to be scared of. Retinal is just and
Speaker 1: first of all, so retinal is the name that's in
Speaker 1: our body is retinic acid. It's a hormone that we
Speaker 1: all have in our skin, so it's not some foreign chemical.
Speaker 1: It's something that our body makes. But you can apply
Speaker 1: it topically over the counter. It's retinal. But what do
Speaker 1: they do What's the most important thing? So the most
Speaker 1: important thing is they increased cell turnover rate. So um,
Speaker 1: they exfoliate, just like Dr Barbara was mentioned to help
Speaker 1: foliate if you have pigmentation. They can help with pigmentation.
Speaker 1: They in multiple clinical studies improve fine lines and wrinkles.
Speaker 1: So if you if your concern is fine lines, you
Speaker 1: should be on a retinoid daily. Usually I don't know
Speaker 1: what aged you start your retinoids your patients God fifteen
Speaker 1: sixteen because we use it for acting so as so
Speaker 1: as a retinoid a product that you would typically use
Speaker 1: at night, Yes, so simple regiment, clans serum, sunscreen in
Speaker 1: the morning, clans retinoid, and a great moisturizer at night,
Speaker 1: and any other anti aging that if you have hyperpigmentation,
Speaker 1: some other things you might want to add in at night. Okay,
Speaker 1: So this is the other thing that I did that
Speaker 1: I think really made a huge difference in my appearance.
Speaker 1: And this is something that is typical I think mainly
Speaker 1: for black women, and it's the little moles. Like my
Speaker 1: family is extremely moldy. And I think about my girlfriend
Speaker 1: back in Baltimore. She was like, you know, her name
Speaker 1: is Wendy Pittman. I'll never forget it. She's the one
Speaker 1: who suggested this to me. She was she has beautiful skin,
Speaker 1: and she said, you know, you would look so much
Speaker 1: younger if you just got all of those molds just
Speaker 1: burned off. Let me tell I did that, and it may.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you it may a huge I swear it
Speaker 1: took ten years off of me. Yeah, you know what
Speaker 1: it is. It got rid of the background noise, always
Speaker 1: got rider the background noise. We could all of a
Speaker 1: sudden just see your skin kind of glow because we
Speaker 1: weren't being distracted by all of those little brown spots,
Speaker 1: which are not mold. By the way, Yeah, what are
Speaker 1: There's a name for poses pepulosa niagara. We call them
Speaker 1: dPNs and dermatology. Okay, So I tell my patients a
Speaker 1: few things. One, the hereditary they run in families. They're
Speaker 1: not dangerous. You don't have to remove them, but if
Speaker 1: you do remove them, you'll see a tremendous improvement in
Speaker 1: your skin. And so typically you put on a numbing
Speaker 1: cream for around ten to fifteen minutes and then we
Speaker 1: use a tiny little thing all the higher cater that
Speaker 1: just superficially burns the top player of the skin. They
Speaker 1: fall off and around three to seven days, and I
Speaker 1: tell you, everyone will notice what happened. You look so
Speaker 1: you look so much younger. That was. So that is
Speaker 1: one thing that I would recommend to my black listeners.
Speaker 1: If you know, if you have that condition, it will
Speaker 1: take years off of you if you can just describe
Speaker 1: what the what the condition is. So these tiny little
Speaker 1: brown kind of growth they look like almost like little
Speaker 1: flat or freckles almost or freckles right, and they're usually
Speaker 1: like on the size of the cheek, on the sides
Speaker 1: of the face, but they can also be on the neck,
Speaker 1: right on the body, on the back. I had a
Speaker 1: lot of them taking off of my back about a
Speaker 1: month ago, and so I'm always very sensitive though when
Speaker 1: I bring it up with my patients. It's not just
Speaker 1: black my black patients that get them, Latin patients can
Speaker 1: get them too. I get covered in them and I
Speaker 1: got a lot of them during pregnancy. But I'm careful
Speaker 1: because some people actually do think they're beauty marks. You know,
Speaker 1: if you like them, keep um and so I'm always
Speaker 1: respectful if somebody says, you know, I like them, and
Speaker 1: I would ever close your boat. But it made a
Speaker 1: huge difference, all right. So now we're starting to wind
Speaker 1: down though. So as far as your products, your moisturizers,
Speaker 1: and we didn't really talk about owners, but for all
Speaker 1: of your your skin care products, isn't necessary to spend
Speaker 1: a lot of money. I think that it's not necessary
Speaker 1: to spend a lot of money as long as you're
Speaker 1: choosing clinical grade products. There are lots of products that
Speaker 1: are over the counter available at drug stores that have
Speaker 1: lots of scientific testing to prove efficacy and that they
Speaker 1: do improve the skin. So the key is that you
Speaker 1: have to spend a lot of money, but you should
Speaker 1: do your research and just don't fall victim to marketing.
Speaker 1: You know that you're looking at the ingredients and that
Speaker 1: the company has done studies, So how would the average
Speaker 1: person know that? Which should we be looking for? Most companies,
Speaker 1: if you spend the money to do a study, they
Speaker 1: want to shout it out, you know, because beauty editors
Speaker 1: really want to hear. They see so much stuff, they
Speaker 1: want to hear things that are based in science. That
Speaker 1: would be my advice, Just do a little bit of research.
Speaker 1: What do you think. I always say a cleanser doesn't
Speaker 1: have to be expensive, sunscreens don't have to be expensive.
Speaker 1: Probably where you're going to spend a little bit of
Speaker 1: money is going to be on your antioxidant serum, which
Speaker 1: I think is key in everybody. A vitamin C, a
Speaker 1: vitamin C E with relic acid, an antioxident that goes
Speaker 1: on in the morning, basically to get rid of free radicals.
Speaker 1: We have to remember that sunscreen is not a complete block.
Speaker 1: That even though we're wearing sunscreen, skin UVB and UV
Speaker 1: A race will still penetrate mainly UV A race will
Speaker 1: still penetrate and release free radicals. And so having an
Speaker 1: antioxident underneath your sunscreen is key. So those tend to
Speaker 1: be a little pricier, and so I would you know,
Speaker 1: consider splurging on that. And then your nighttime collagen stimulator,
Speaker 1: your retinal whether you're using a open or a good
Speaker 1: grade over the counter one, that's probably gonna be on
Speaker 1: your On the priceier side, maybe I'd put my dollars
Speaker 1: there and in my antioxidant serum, and I would save
Speaker 1: on my cleanser, I would save on my toner, and
Speaker 1: I would save on my sunscreen because sunscreens do not
Speaker 1: have to be expensive. I want to talk about aging
Speaker 1: skin a little bit before we we end. What are
Speaker 1: the different change changes that you will see as you
Speaker 1: start to age, like the loss of elasticity and crows
Speaker 1: feet and you know lines when you smile, Like, how
Speaker 1: do people deal with that? So one of the first
Speaker 1: things that a patient will come in and complain about,
Speaker 1: and actually it's been shown in studies the very first
Speaker 1: sign of eaching that a woman will see will be
Speaker 1: the lines around her eyes the crow's feet, right, And
Speaker 1: then from there patients will come in complaining that, you know,
Speaker 1: their faces falling, right, the eyebrows are no longer where
Speaker 1: they were there lower, that's causing the eyelid skin to
Speaker 1: kind of be heavier on the eyelid and the cheeks
Speaker 1: to be lower. And then the gels that area on
Speaker 1: the jaw line that kind of hangs right, and so
Speaker 1: all of a lot of this has to do with
Speaker 1: chronological aging. You know, it's inediable. Right, We're gonna age
Speaker 1: and we're gonna produce less collagen and a lastin and
Speaker 1: our skin will show those changes. But there's a lot
Speaker 1: of things that we've talked, Like we spoke about that
Speaker 1: our environmental to sun is huge. It's a huge collagen
Speaker 1: degrade or it will chew up your collagen, okay, And
Speaker 1: smoking is another one and so um and so I
Speaker 1: always tell you know, my patients who sometimes they come
Speaker 1: in a panic mode. I really do believe that aging
Speaker 1: is a blessing and we need to see it as
Speaker 1: such that we can get consumed in doing these procedures
Speaker 1: and using Kinkcare, skincare, active ingredients, appeals and doing all
Speaker 1: of these things simply with the goal of looking younger.
Speaker 1: I kind of adhere, kind of to the message that
Speaker 1: we do them to look better for where we are
Speaker 1: today life in life, and get rid of this like
Speaker 1: desire to you know, do crazy things because we're trying
Speaker 1: to look younger. I don't do these procedures to myself
Speaker 1: to look younger, and I don't do them to my
Speaker 1: patients to look younger. I do it so that they
Speaker 1: can look better, so they feel better. That's such a
Speaker 1: good point, Alicia. I love that. I love that. So
Speaker 1: I have two questions for you guys, and are wouldn't
Speaker 1: you like to know? Segment to Alicia will start with you,
Speaker 1: what is one piece of advice you would give your patients.
Speaker 1: So one piece of advice that I would give my patients.
Speaker 1: Number one, I would say, recognize that getting older is
Speaker 1: a blessing and it's a privilege. I would say, be
Speaker 1: very careful about what you put into your body, what
Speaker 1: you're injecting into your skin, and how much you're injecting
Speaker 1: into your skin. More is not better. And then number two,
Speaker 1: I would say, be very careful of who you go to.
Speaker 1: There is a lot of misinformation in our communities of color,
Speaker 1: in our brown and black communities, where there are these
Speaker 1: clinics that are where they have non certified physicians, non
Speaker 1: board certified dermatologist, plastics. They're not even plastic surgeons. They
Speaker 1: could be a pathologist with an m D. And they
Speaker 1: can do medical surgical procedures. I feel that a lot
Speaker 1: of these clinics pray on our communities of color because
Speaker 1: we want to be beautiful and sometimes we want to
Speaker 1: we don't have access to to some of these procedures
Speaker 1: because they can be expensive, and so they bombard us
Speaker 1: with these images of gorgeous women, but they don't talk
Speaker 1: about the risk in some of these procedures, particularly in
Speaker 1: these bbls, the Brazilian butt lift, where they're taking fat
Speaker 1: from one part of body and injecting it into our behinds.
Speaker 1: So I'm very passionate about that. I want our communities
Speaker 1: to know that these procedures can be done safely. But
Speaker 1: you need to be very careful as to who you're
Speaker 1: going to make sure that your physician is trained or
Speaker 1: board certified in the specialty that they're practicing. Never go
Speaker 1: to someone's home to get injected, Do not let a
Speaker 1: salon inject you, and don't go to a hotel to
Speaker 1: do any of these tricks. That is so important. And
Speaker 1: I don't know what's happening a lot in our community, Yes,
Speaker 1: and we see it, unfortunately a lot in Miami. And
Speaker 1: what also happens in Miami is that these international doctors
Speaker 1: they say, come into town and set up shop in
Speaker 1: a hotel room in somebody's home and they actually inject patients.
Speaker 1: And then when that person takes off, guess who's there
Speaker 1: to pick up the pieces? Guys? Got it? Got it?
Speaker 1: Final question, Dr Heather, what is something in the beauty
Speaker 1: industry you would want to normalize. So that's such a
Speaker 1: great question because that has been a big part of
Speaker 1: my career. As I mentioned earlier, I developed a skin
Speaker 1: care lines specifically for women of color, and I do
Speaker 1: think that in general, we have been ignored by the
Speaker 1: beauty industry when it comes to creating products that are
Speaker 1: safe and effective and address our needs and concerns. So
Speaker 1: I took it upon myself to develop a line. But
Speaker 1: you know, there's space for everyone, right So I want
Speaker 1: that to be for me in the beauty industry to
Speaker 1: be the future where you see every skin type, every
Speaker 1: skin color, and that not only in skincare, but in makeup,
Speaker 1: in in all of those things that we do in
Speaker 1: the beauty industry. When I grew up and I know
Speaker 1: when Alicia grew up, we didn't see anyone who looked
Speaker 1: like us ever, And that's changing now. That's changing. But
Speaker 1: I hope it's not a fad. I hope it's not
Speaker 1: just this year. Oh, it's trendy to include people of
Speaker 1: color and marketing and to develop products specifically designed to
Speaker 1: address their needs and their concerns. But so I'm hoping
Speaker 1: that this trend which I think is a wonderful trend,
Speaker 1: and I really do feel finally that the beaunty industry
Speaker 1: is hearing us. We're a huge buying market, huge end
Speaker 1: more of our paycheck on personal care than any other group.
Speaker 1: So really, as a group, we really need to be
Speaker 1: paid attention to. That's the biggest thing for me. That's
Speaker 1: one of my passions is really just increasing access, increasing selection,
Speaker 1: and just making sure that we're all included in the
Speaker 1: conversation when it comes to beauty and skincare perfect. What
Speaker 1: about you, doctor Alicia that Heather, thank you so much
Speaker 1: for sharing that I feel exactly like she does. I
Speaker 1: still feel that there's kind of a stigma associated with
Speaker 1: talking about boat talks and talking absolutely modulators and fillers,
Speaker 1: and that we tend to be a little more reserved
Speaker 1: about sharing those things with our friends. And I would
Speaker 1: like to see it normalized because oftentimes what happens is,
Speaker 1: say a forty year old or fifty year old will
Speaker 1: come in and they're comparing themselves to other forty and
Speaker 1: fifty year olds in their social circle that are cheating,
Speaker 1: and they're and we're no longer comparing apples to apples.
Speaker 1: Mean when I say cheating. I mean by doing a
Speaker 1: little something, doing a little baby boat talks. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: even even you calling it cheating, doctor Lee should right,
Speaker 1: you're right through, it's putting, it's putting some hesitation the
Speaker 1: who are absolutely right right, we have to I have
Speaker 1: to think of a better way to say that. But
Speaker 1: the point that are doing things to ourselves to make
Speaker 1: us look better. And I think it's I think it's
Speaker 1: as simple ast saying that it's okay if that's what
Speaker 1: you choose to do, yes, and not being kind of
Speaker 1: so sneaky. And sometimes I even see it in people
Speaker 1: being interviewed where they refused to say that they do
Speaker 1: some of these things, and it is so unfair because
Speaker 1: we know that they're doing some of these things. Um,
Speaker 1: and so I would just like, yes, we are, goddamnit,
Speaker 1: yes we are and totally okay. And the reason we're
Speaker 1: doing it is because number one, it works, and it's
Speaker 1: they're safe and they make a difference right to normalize.
Speaker 1: It's kind of that conversation around fund it so where
Speaker 1: if we do a little bit that we can be
Speaker 1: more kind of transparent and share right and not and
Speaker 1: and that there not be a stigma to it. Yes,
Speaker 1: I always say, we don't need to frown this. This
Speaker 1: little forehead has around for here again. But again, it's
Speaker 1: so important that you trust the person that you're going to. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: I don't know about these people that have botox parties
Speaker 1: and all of that. Pay attention to where you're getting
Speaker 1: your information from. Never done one. I would never do
Speaker 1: a treatment outside of my office ever. I think it's
Speaker 1: a careful people that belongs in a medical practice. Yeah,
Speaker 1: thank you guys so much. This was such a wonderful conversation.
Speaker 1: I so enjoyed it. And so before we go, please
Speaker 1: share with the listeners where they can follow you on
Speaker 1: social media. I'm Dr Heather m D. You can find
Speaker 1: me on Instagram, on TikTok, on Facebook. My content that
Speaker 1: I created about wellness and dermatology perfect. I'm gonna look
Speaker 1: up your products to thank you. You're welcome and you
Speaker 1: got your Alicia. So I'm Dr Alicia Barbara. You can
Speaker 1: find me on Instagram. The handle is at Barbara Beauty
Speaker 1: and at Barbara Skin Clinic. Thank you both so much
Speaker 1: for joining me today. Thank you. Thanks so Here are
Speaker 1: my takeaways from Dr Alicia and Dr Heather. Number one,
Speaker 1: A basic skin routine does not require a lot. Cleansing
Speaker 1: serum and moisturizes with active ingredients and some block and
Speaker 1: you're done. Number two, it's best to use retin all
Speaker 1: products with your nighttime routine, with a good moisturizer to follow.
Speaker 1: Number three. Every time you exfoliate, you must moisturize. Number
Speaker 1: four it's necessary to go broke on expensive products. What
Speaker 1: is important is the act of ingredients, so take the
Speaker 1: time to do your research. Number five, some block with
Speaker 1: a minimum of SPF thirty is a must. Find one
Speaker 1: you love and apply daily. No excuse is accepted. And
Speaker 1: number six, it's a privilege to age gracefully and remember
Speaker 1: health and healthy skin is what's really important. If you're
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Speaker 1: I'm talking, and I'm listening, and as always, stay grateful y'all. Positively.
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