1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is an All they 6 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 1: called me Ben. We are joined as always with our 7 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:35,080 Speaker 1: super producer, all mission control decads. Most importantly, you are you, 8 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 1: You are here, and that makes this the stuff they 9 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:41,560 Speaker 1: don't want you to know. It is the top of 10 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:46,160 Speaker 1: the week as we record this Monday March seven, that's 11 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 1: going to be coming to you on Monday March FOURT 12 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 1: We're not sure what will happen in the interim. UH, 13 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 1: right in and let us know. Do you think we 14 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 1: are at the time period that later historians will call 15 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 1: the beginning of World War three? Or do you think 16 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 1: we are still as a society in a continuous cycle 17 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:10,959 Speaker 1: of news that never stops and never sleeps, or why 18 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 1: not both? To quote the old internet meme. UH, today's 19 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 1: news is going to take us to an aspect of 20 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 1: the Russian War in Ukraine that hasn't been reported as 21 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 1: much and has a lot of conspiratorial threats to unravel. 22 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 1: We are also going to encounter a grizzly story in 23 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 1: Denver towards the end of the show. Um, just just 24 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:39,319 Speaker 1: you know it is Uh, it is grizzly, but it 25 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 1: is also fascinating and if you, like us, are sometimes saying, hey, 26 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 1: I want to hear about something a little different, you know, 27 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 1: Like I understand COVID is important. I understand that geopolitical 28 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 1: tensions are a massive rise, but I I want to 29 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 1: know what else is going on in world, and I'd 30 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 1: like to maybe here's some spooky stuff. Maybe that's where 31 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 1: we start today. We've got to get a spooky tale 32 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 1: for you. And full disclosure, Matt Nolan, I uh, we 33 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 1: share just very high level notes with each other, mainly 34 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 1: so that we don't accidentally do the same stories. Had 35 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 1: you guys, Have you guys heard of this before you 36 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 1: saw it? I don't know about the Killing Stone now, 37 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 1: but it sounds like the name of a thriller. Honestly, 38 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 1: I knew about the Killing Stone. I didn't know about 39 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 1: the recent development. Oh you knew about it? And before this? 40 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:41,520 Speaker 1: How I'm Att, nice? Nice? How are you familiar with it? 41 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 1: It's just mythology stuff that basically you've gotten me into 42 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 1: over the years. Then so congratulations sir. Oh boy, well 43 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 1: let's see, let's see if it's still the congratulations moment. So, 44 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: uh then, thank you, Matt. But here's this story. So 45 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 1: in Japan for a long long time, there has been 46 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:09,080 Speaker 1: something called the We're not Japanese speakers, so please please 47 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:14,399 Speaker 1: bear with our pronunciation, the sess show Secky Stone. This 48 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 1: colloquially known as the Killing Stone, has a rich and 49 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:26,519 Speaker 1: strange mythology according to the longstanding regional folklore in this 50 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 1: area in the volcanic mountains of Nasu, which is in 51 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 1: to Cheeky Prefecture in Japan, it's a place famous for 52 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 1: sulfur as hot springs, big big deal in Japan. People 53 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 1: love hot springs, but like you don't want to hang 54 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 1: out and a sulfurrous hot spring though, do you or 55 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 1: do you? It kind of depends on the amount of sulfur. 56 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 1: I think Cappy Barra love them as you know. Uh 57 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 1: so this stone. Wait what I'm sorry, Sara love hot springs. 58 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 1: Oh okay, yeah, the YouTube videos, I'm back with it. Yeah, 59 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 1: they're gonna they're gonna save all of us after we 60 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 1: do the episodes for this week. But so, yes, The 61 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 1: stone is believed to either contain a corpse transformed corpse, 62 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 1: or it is believed to have, once upon a time 63 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:24,840 Speaker 1: actually been a corpse, the corpse of someone named to 64 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:29,160 Speaker 1: Momo No Ma uh Tommo no May. To Momo where 65 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 1: his story, if you'll look at to Momo is like 66 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 1: a real attractive lady, really smart. You know, I got 67 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:40,360 Speaker 1: the personality whole package. Laughs at your jokes, even when 68 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:43,840 Speaker 1: everyone you know knows they fell a little flat uh 69 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 1: perfect person like yes, also a would be assassin. The 70 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 1: story goes that to Momo no May, back in the 71 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:02,919 Speaker 1: eleven hundreds, attempted to kill the emperor of the time, 72 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:06,719 Speaker 1: Emperor Toba, who ruled from eleven oh seven to eleven 73 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 1: twenty three. And this was a plot hatched by a 74 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:14,919 Speaker 1: feudal war lord, as Cate Blanchet says in lord of 75 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 1: the Rings men above all else, desire power. So so 76 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 1: it didn't work out. G I caught and then she 77 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 1: died and apparently either was in tune within this stone 78 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 1: or became this stone, depending on the stories you read, 79 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:37,839 Speaker 1: but she wasn't what she seemed to be. The legend 80 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 1: was that the idea of being this beautiful woman was 81 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 1: merely a cover story, and she was in fact an 82 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 1: evil nine tailed fox, her spirit locked away in a 83 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 1: hunk of lava. Okay, that's great for tourism, right. You 84 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 1: go to the visit the Sulfur springs and you say, hey, 85 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:00,839 Speaker 1: there's that stone, and someone says can we touch it? 86 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:03,279 Speaker 1: And someone else says, oh no, If you touch it, 87 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 1: you die. It's a kind of a big attraction here, 88 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 1: sort of like a reverse Blarnie Stone kind of situation. Similar, similar, Yeah, 89 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:14,360 Speaker 1: And I'm not twouch of a germophobe, I think to 90 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:17,840 Speaker 1: touch Blarney stones. So I like the idea of one 91 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:20,040 Speaker 1: of the attractions being a thing that you're not supposed 92 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 1: to touch. And I looked through and I couldn't find, 93 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 1: just to be clear, to step out of folklore here, 94 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:32,160 Speaker 1: I couldn't find a an example, at least a recent 95 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:35,840 Speaker 1: documented example of someone touching the stone and immediately die. 96 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 1: It's meant to be instant death. It's not like, you know, 97 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 1: a month passes and you wear a hat and it 98 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 1: looks bad on you and then you die, right right right? Uh? 99 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 1: And I like that you had a very specific part 100 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:50,720 Speaker 1: of of horror there. So credit where credit is due 101 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 1: that is a mighty boust reference. That is an old 102 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 1: Fielding joke, So I'm not trying to steal that one. 103 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 1: But yeah, nothing worse than wearing a hat. It's not flattering, 104 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 1: and I did appreciate it, all right. So what you 105 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 1: would see if you were familiar with this stone is 106 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 1: pretty disturbing. As a March of two thousand twenty two, 107 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 1: a guy came out on social media and noted that 108 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 1: the stone had broken in half. This this stone, Yet 109 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 1: this stone was upon like you know, this kind of 110 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 1: thing that catches on fire in the world of social media. 111 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 1: I believe it was at lily O seven to seven 112 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 1: k uh in Japan who originally posted the discovery of 113 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 1: the stone having cracked in half. Uh, and this went viral, 114 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 1: it took off. It's strange because first again, there's not 115 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 1: proof that anybody has in fact died as a result 116 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 1: of this of touching this thing. And again to your 117 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 1: point and some media death. Uh. I guess you could 118 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 1: argue on a technicality, yes, anyone who touches this stone dies, 119 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 1: because everyone at some point dies. But then that's like 120 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 1: everything you touches the killing thing. Oh my gosh, let 121 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 1: me have some of my killing coffee. That's infinitely right, 122 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 1: killingly delicious. Something's going to kill you, you know, whether 123 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 1: it's just time or you know, some sort of a 124 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 1: cursed or object maybe for now. So I went over 125 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:32,320 Speaker 1: to Snopes because the first thing that you need to 126 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 1: do when you read about viral stories on social media 127 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:39,319 Speaker 1: is figure out if it's true, what part of it 128 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:44,840 Speaker 1: is true, etcetera, etcetera, and snoops, actually verified, Yes, this 129 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 1: story is true. There has been long standing folklore and 130 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:53,439 Speaker 1: mythology about this stone. Uh, it has split in Twain, 131 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:58,319 Speaker 1: And it's definitely you know, they're definitely people who are 132 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 1: speculating in the area with some degree of satire in 133 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 1: some cases and with some degree of genuine superstition in 134 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:08,679 Speaker 1: other cases, that this could be an omen of some sort. 135 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 1: This could be a sign that the uh that Tomamo 136 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 1: may be on the hunt freed from her supernatural prison. 137 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 1: So I want to do two things really quickly to 138 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:24,560 Speaker 1: one on the skeptic side, and then one maybe a 139 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:27,840 Speaker 1: little bit um to inspire a bit of hope for 140 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 1: people who possess those supernatural concerns. Possessed not being the 141 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 1: best word to use in this conversation. Uh So if 142 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:39,560 Speaker 1: you go to if you take a page from the 143 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 1: Japanese website Yo Muri Shimboom, you will see that they 144 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:50,320 Speaker 1: spoke with the Nasu Town Tourist Information Center to get 145 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:54,680 Speaker 1: confirmation that the stone had indeed cracked, and the officials, 146 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:59,839 Speaker 1: to their credit, provided a pretty accurate, pretty objective to 147 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 1: scription of what happened. They said, yes, the stone split 148 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 1: in half, but there had been a crack in this 149 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 1: stone for quite a while. And this is you know, 150 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:13,960 Speaker 1: as a mountainous area, it has rain, it has freezing temperatures, 151 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 1: and when rain like as soft and cool as rain 152 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 1: can feel, rain is also capable of eroding things over time. 153 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 1: Right there. There are no stones that can stand a 154 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 1: river forever. And what they believe happened, which sounds completely reasonable, 155 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 1: is that rain got into the crack, erosion was occurring, 156 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 1: and of course, as we know, when water freezes, it expands, 157 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 1: so every time the water got in, the crack had 158 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 1: expanded a little bit more, a little bit more, driving 159 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 1: this uh at times ghostly wedge into the stone. So 160 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:55,080 Speaker 1: you could say it was a jailbreak on the part 161 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 1: of meteorological phenomenon. And maybe it's just a fun story. 162 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:03,440 Speaker 1: People tell each other. But what if it's real. What 163 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 1: if the evil nine tailed fox spirit of Tamamo no 164 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 1: Ma is out and is looking for anyone who is 165 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 1: in the area, should we fear it? The answer is, 166 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:26,199 Speaker 1: I know, shades of the ring vibes right, It's gonna 167 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 1: be chaos. Yeah. Well, this is where we get to 168 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 1: the folklore thing. This is where I want to end 169 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 1: before we move on to the next story. As you know, 170 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 1: the story goes that she was killed by a famous 171 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:41,720 Speaker 1: warrior and then her body became the sessoseki or was 172 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 1: entombed within that rock. Much later, a Buddhist priest by 173 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 1: the name of Ghetto g E n n Oh Stop 174 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 1: for rest I was walking around near the stone, got 175 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 1: threatened by the ghost like you, kind of touched the 176 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 1: killing stone, and then performed a Buddhist exorcism ritual, a 177 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 1: series of them begging Tommo to consider her salvation. She relented, 178 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:13,440 Speaker 1: and she swore that she would haunt the stone no more, 179 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 1: or at least in some way you know, class up 180 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 1: her behavior. So, if if you are one who believes 181 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 1: in spirits, in things of an invisible world, then hopefully 182 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 1: what you can take from this story is that you 183 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 1: don't have to worry about, Tommo. There are bigger things 184 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 1: to worry about in the world. We're about to talk 185 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 1: about two of them. But you don't have to worry 186 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 1: about a vengeful ghost of a supernatural fox. So if 187 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 1: you've got that on your list, go ahead and cross 188 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 1: it off. Congratulations to everyone. We're gonna pause for a 189 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:53,560 Speaker 1: word from our sponsors and we'll be back with more 190 00:12:53,800 --> 00:13:05,080 Speaker 1: strange news. And we're back with more strange news. Um. 191 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:08,560 Speaker 1: I think we're all painfully aware of. The news cycle 192 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 1: has been pretty well dominated by the conflict in Ukraine. 193 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 1: Russian forces breached the border of that country and have 194 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 1: now I believe, successfully held at least one or two cities. Um, 195 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 1: quite a few casualties, a lot of information on social media, UM, 196 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 1: I saw quite tragic. I think it was a TikTok 197 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 1: video where it was a woman saying my life before 198 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:38,200 Speaker 1: the Russian invasion, and it was just the kind of 199 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 1: thing you see people sharing on TikTok, like, you know, 200 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:45,679 Speaker 1: dance parties and karaoke and lunch with friends and sunshine 201 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 1: and happiness and then post Russian invasion and it was 202 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 1: you know, bombed out shells of apartment buildings and you know, 203 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:56,440 Speaker 1: troops marching in the square and and things like that. 204 00:13:56,520 --> 00:13:59,239 Speaker 1: So I mean, this is a very real, uh situation 205 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 1: for the world, but most importantly people that live in Ukraine. UM, 206 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 1: you've made the point been quite a few times that 207 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:10,680 Speaker 1: a lot of people before this news event. I hate 208 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 1: to I'm not trying to diminish it by just describing 209 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:14,320 Speaker 1: it as a news event, but I mean, in terms 210 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 1: of the way Western audiences have been exposed to it, 211 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 1: it is kind of that would have been hard pressed 212 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 1: to point Ukraine out on a map. Now there's a 213 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 1: lot of cringe e celebrity videos supporting Ukraine. There's a 214 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 1: lot of potential for you know, making it sort of 215 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 1: a fashion statement to be pro Ukraine and anti Putin 216 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 1: and all of that. Um. But we're also starting to 217 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 1: see some interesting things emerging iconography specifically, So it looks 218 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 1: like as of maybe last week, UM, there is a 219 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 1: symbol that has emerged as a kind of dog whistle 220 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 1: way of expressing support for the Russian invasion of Ukraine, 221 00:14:57,440 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 1: and it is the letter Z. I was just made 222 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 1: aware of this this morning. UM. Like you said, Ben, 223 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 1: it hasn't really been covered a ton and I think 224 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:08,720 Speaker 1: the reason for that is no one's quite sure where 225 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 1: it comes from. I mean, the thing that initially hit 226 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 1: me was, you know, the president of Ukraine has been 227 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 1: kind of lionized in the Western media, particularly in social media, 228 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 1: as this real hero because he stayed behind. He could 229 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 1: have fled, uh, he could have you know, been airlifted 230 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 1: to safety by allies, but he chose to stay and 231 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 1: he's been being very vocal about that and being on 232 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 1: the front lines with his you know, cabinet and the like. 233 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 1: And so I thought maybe the Z was kind of 234 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 1: like a almost an ironic, you know, way of mocking 235 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:49,000 Speaker 1: President Zelinski Um being that his last name starts with 236 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 1: a Z because Russia uses uh, the cyrillic alphabet, and 237 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 1: there is no Z cyrillic alphabets. So that's interesting, and 238 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:00,080 Speaker 1: we're seeing this manifest that. So that the thing that 239 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 1: really like brought it into the forefront of the news 240 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 1: was that a Russian gymnast um really made some waves 241 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 1: when he was competing in an international gymnastics competition. His 242 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:16,359 Speaker 1: name is Ivan Kuliak, and he's actually facing disciplinary actions 243 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 1: from the governing body, the International Gymnastics Federation or FIG, 244 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 1: because of what he did. He won the bronze medal, 245 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 1: and you know, have metal ceremonies, you gotta stand on 246 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 1: these tiered platforms. And the guy standing next to him, 247 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 1: who I believe won the gold was a Ukrainian gymnast 248 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 1: and um. You know, this dude is very young, this 249 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 1: because ivan uh kuliak uh. And you could see a 250 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 1: very small letter z um, clearly made out of some 251 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 1: kind of painters tape or you know, I don't know 252 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 1: if it's like with a paint pen or something, but 253 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 1: it's on his chest like almost like a like a blazon, 254 00:16:56,760 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 1: like a superhero logo. And that that's what that was 255 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 1: his protest, I suppose, or that was his way of 256 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:08,159 Speaker 1: expressing his solidarity with the invading force of Russia that 257 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:10,639 Speaker 1: is his home country. Uh. And to do that, you know, 258 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:15,200 Speaker 1: with a Ukrainian um citizen next to him, obviously has 259 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:19,200 Speaker 1: some very problematic implications, especially in what's meant to be 260 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 1: you know, a sportsmanlike competition that shouldn't necessarily be politicized. 261 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 1: But as we know throughout history, Ben, I know you 262 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 1: can speak to this in terms of like when the 263 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:32,000 Speaker 1: Nazis were in power and the Olympics took place, you know, 264 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 1: it was highly politicized. UM, I believe, wasn't that right? Then, 265 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 1: the the Olympics take place in Germany when the Nazis 266 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:43,320 Speaker 1: were empowered, before we knew the extent of the Nazis. 267 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 1: Uh the final solution, Yeah, in UH, nineteen thirty six, 268 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 1: the Nazis had the Olympics over in Berlin, and and 269 00:17:56,520 --> 00:18:01,440 Speaker 1: it was it was an awesome blow for I'll say 270 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 1: it was an awesome Jesse Owens. For Americans, it was 271 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:10,199 Speaker 1: awesome blow for people of color. UH. And it was 272 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 1: a bad day for Hitler, which I'm a fan of 273 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 1: that guy having. But when you say a blow, you 274 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:19,360 Speaker 1: mean a blow executed by not towards Because an African 275 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:23,640 Speaker 1: American um beat the German I believe it was in 276 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:27,639 Speaker 1: a foot race, sprinting kind of situation or a triathlon 277 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 1: type of Yeah. Jesse Owens was is the one people 278 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:36,720 Speaker 1: mentioned the most often because of that iconic moment. However, 279 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 1: I do want to point out that at the nineteen 280 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:42,880 Speaker 1: thirty six Olympics there were eighteen black athletes who went 281 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:45,879 Speaker 1: to Berlin as part of the US team. UH. And 282 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 1: this was, of course during the time of widespread codified 283 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:52,399 Speaker 1: racism against black people in the US, and they still 284 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:55,920 Speaker 1: made the decision to represent that country. So yeah, there's 285 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:57,920 Speaker 1: I think what we're saying here is there there is 286 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 1: a lot of soft political power in the world of 287 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 1: international sports, you know, like from the World Cup to 288 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:09,440 Speaker 1: the Olympics and what have you. Probably even curling at 289 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 1: some point there's probably been a diplomatic fracas over curling. 290 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:16,920 Speaker 1: But shout out to Max Williams, the curling expert in 291 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 1: our Bunch, producer of ridiculous history. And it goes beyond 292 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:23,960 Speaker 1: the gymnast though, that's how I learned about this, but 293 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:28,640 Speaker 1: it also goes to one of my favorite former Russian spies, 294 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:32,120 Speaker 1: the Rock and Z. You saw that right now, give 295 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 1: it to me. There's a lot of like examples of this, 296 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:37,480 Speaker 1: and I have a few more of a police Yeah, yeah, Matt, 297 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:42,159 Speaker 1: you remember you remember this person Maria Boutina, who was 298 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:46,360 Speaker 1: caught spying and doing some doing some honeypot operations frankly 299 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 1: for the Russian forces, is also rep in the Z, which, 300 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 1: as you said, old does not exist in cyrillic uh, 301 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:58,359 Speaker 1: and I would I'm tempted to connect this with the 302 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:03,200 Speaker 1: earlier quite successful Russian styop of Q and on right, 303 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 1: they say, hey, we just have we did a letter 304 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:08,640 Speaker 1: last time and that worked. What are some other letters? 305 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:14,320 Speaker 1: Then I appreciate you, like just hardlining that perspective. I 306 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:17,640 Speaker 1: think maybe there are many that still don't believe that 307 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:20,199 Speaker 1: Russia was directly responsible for Q and on and I 308 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:23,800 Speaker 1: think maybe the official line UM in the United States 309 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 1: has not necessarily fully confirmed that yet. But I think 310 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 1: you're absolutely right that it almost certainly the case. Well, yeah, 311 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 1: they definitely fan the flames. But you know, just like 312 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 1: a child, it takes a village to really do propaganda. Well, 313 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 1: speaking of children and propaganda, I think the most egregious 314 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:47,199 Speaker 1: example that I've seen that there have been a lot 315 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:50,919 Speaker 1: of highly produced videos coming out of Russian national television 316 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:55,160 Speaker 1: UM of you know, troops for example, standing in arrays, 317 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:58,119 Speaker 1: uh you know, where their their bodies are forming a 318 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:01,639 Speaker 1: giant letter Z from like area photography. There was a 319 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 1: particularly nasty image that that came out of a collection 320 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:11,239 Speaker 1: of UM arm bands from fallen Ukrainian soldiers in the 321 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:15,720 Speaker 1: shape of a Z. But speaking of again, children and propaganda, 322 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 1: I think the saddest and most divisive example of this is, Uh, 323 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:23,640 Speaker 1: there's a article from the Telegraph in the UK Um. 324 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:27,200 Speaker 1: This is the headline speaks for itself. Russia's terminally ill 325 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:31,200 Speaker 1: children line up in letter Z symbol to show Kremlin support. 326 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 1: Children don't necessarily have fully formed and informed political opinions. 327 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:43,760 Speaker 1: This is something that the administrators of this it's a hospice. 328 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 1: You know, these are term terminally ill children with cancer, 329 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:50,960 Speaker 1: you know, who are going to die. Uh. And they 330 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:56,160 Speaker 1: are being made a UM symbol literally there, Literally their 331 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:59,920 Speaker 1: bodies are being turned into a symbol of something that 332 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:03,719 Speaker 1: they really have no way of fully wrapping their heads around. UM. 333 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 1: And it's it's rough. The the administrator of the facility 334 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:14,680 Speaker 1: had this to say. It's a guy named Vladimir Vavolov. 335 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 1: He's the chairman of a cancer charity that runs this 336 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 1: hospice in Kazan, which is in central Tatarstan region, and 337 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:26,320 Speaker 1: he had this to say. Our patients, an entire team 338 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 1: took part in it, about sixty people in total. People 339 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:32,399 Speaker 1: lined up in the form of the letter Z in 340 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 1: our left hand. We held leaflets with the flags of 341 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:40,160 Speaker 1: the LPR DPR Russia and t Tarstan and we clenched 342 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:45,480 Speaker 1: our right hand into a fist. Well, look, um, I'm 343 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:49,119 Speaker 1: not saying that's good um. Again, it may not sound 344 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:51,680 Speaker 1: great to someone listening to this in the West, who 345 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 1: grew up in the West, who lives in a Western country, 346 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 1: but when you think about all of the citizens that 347 00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:01,480 Speaker 1: are being exposed to the national stance and the news 348 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:07,960 Speaker 1: coming out of Russia officially, perhaps you do agree, and 349 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 1: perhaps rightly so, that Russia's actions are good and on 350 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 1: your behalf of all the people of Russia, this is 351 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,400 Speaker 1: what needs to be done. You may have that belief 352 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 1: because that's what you're being told. And yes, not trying 353 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:27,879 Speaker 1: to be middle of the road completely here, moderate to 354 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:30,200 Speaker 1: to our own fault, but you just have to imagine 355 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 1: individual citizens like that. I don't think you can hold 356 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:37,440 Speaker 1: them necessarily accountable. Even that even that younger kid who 357 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:40,480 Speaker 1: was the gymnast, he's thrown a Z on his chest. 358 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 1: We don't know exactly why. I don't know why, but 359 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:47,520 Speaker 1: he probably is trying to perhaps stand for whatever the 360 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:50,920 Speaker 1: official line is of his country. It's a weird right 361 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 1: and the rhetor the rhetoric over here is the essentially, 362 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 1: I mean, depending on what network you're watching for the 363 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 1: most part, but even I think the more right leaning 364 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:01,480 Speaker 1: networks are are beginning to kind of dispense with some 365 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 1: of this pro Russia rhetoric. The whole evil empire idea 366 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 1: is definitely kind of starting to to make make an appearance, 367 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,520 Speaker 1: at least in terms of the tone of the reporting. 368 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:15,440 Speaker 1: You know, you have President Biden saying things that are 369 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 1: staunchly anti putin in terms of like what he is 370 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:21,639 Speaker 1: doing is evil. You know, what he is doing is 371 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:25,640 Speaker 1: against all of our morals and all of the agreements 372 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,480 Speaker 1: we've made in terms of like international peace that he 373 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 1: is flying in the face of all of that stuff. 374 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 1: So it's it's you know, you're right, it is It 375 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:34,640 Speaker 1: is important, I think, to to think about both sides 376 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:36,920 Speaker 1: and to think about how even the media that we're 377 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 1: exposed to here to a degree, I mean more than 378 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,480 Speaker 1: a degree, I think many degrees, is slanted and has 379 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:45,920 Speaker 1: a perspective. So you're right, you can't necessarily hold people 380 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 1: accountable when they're trying to just have pride for their 381 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 1: their country. I'm not trying to give a both sides 382 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,120 Speaker 1: because there are millions of people being displaced right now, 383 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 1: you know, thousands of people dying right and it's it's 384 00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,640 Speaker 1: directly by the actions of the Russian military and those 385 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:01,720 Speaker 1: who are paid by by them. You don't have to 386 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,920 Speaker 1: take a moral stance on that. That's just wrong. Um. 387 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,439 Speaker 1: It depends on there, It depends on if you agree 388 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:11,440 Speaker 1: with their justification for it though or not. You know, 389 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,919 Speaker 1: civilians makes it a war crime is the issue. But 390 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:18,439 Speaker 1: the but we kill civilians all the time. When I 391 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 1: say we, we, I mean the United States kill civilians 392 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:26,720 Speaker 1: in collateral damage when we you know, do drone attacks 393 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:31,199 Speaker 1: and crime. I'm notist in any regard and that and 394 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 1: that's I would agree with you. All I'm saying is 395 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:38,439 Speaker 1: that there are complicated caveats in any nationalistic or you know, 396 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,760 Speaker 1: patriotic stance. Um. But I think you can support your 397 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:45,560 Speaker 1: country while still speaking out against those very, very nasty 398 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:49,920 Speaker 1: and preventable civilian casualties. Yeah, I agreed, And that's that's 399 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 1: the way it is. The people are not the government. 400 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 1: No matter what the people in power could try to 401 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:58,120 Speaker 1: convince their population of uh. And I think we're making 402 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 1: fantastic points. I did want to say, I know we 403 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 1: got to move on and maybe this is a full episode, 404 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,359 Speaker 1: but I did want to say, I don't know if 405 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 1: you guys caught it. The Russian Ministry of Defense made 406 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 1: a statement about this Instagram. Okay, well they explained that, 407 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 1: uh that Z meant uh, I believe what translates to 408 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:25,360 Speaker 1: for the victory exactly that that and that's there's there's 409 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:28,920 Speaker 1: there's chance of Russian troops and Russian citizens waving their 410 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 1: flags chanting for Russia, for the president, for Russia, for Putin. Um. 411 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 1: I saw a video and I'll wrap this up where 412 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:40,479 Speaker 1: there was some conjecture that the Z also was a 413 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:44,440 Speaker 1: way of um preventing friendly fire because if I'm not mistaken, 414 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:48,399 Speaker 1: the models of the Russian and Ukrainian tanks are either 415 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:52,400 Speaker 1: identical or very similar. So if you have the Russian 416 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:55,760 Speaker 1: tanks marked with a big white Z, then it's easier 417 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:58,359 Speaker 1: to differentiate between the two. But you have people, you know, 418 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,200 Speaker 1: in in Russia putting these on their cars, wearing them 419 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:05,359 Speaker 1: on their clothes. There's state sanctioned you know, uh merch 420 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,720 Speaker 1: essentially being distributed with these zs on them, and it 421 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,720 Speaker 1: is becoming kind of a thing. But the actual etymology 422 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,000 Speaker 1: of the Z there's a word, ben I think the 423 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:17,640 Speaker 1: translation of which you just describe um that that phonetically 424 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,440 Speaker 1: would begin with a Z. And I'm sorry, I'm spacing 425 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 1: on the word just like fifty let popity, the name 426 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 1: of that awesome Russian icebreaker I wanted to take a 427 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 1: trip on one day, actually means fifty years of victory, 428 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 1: not popity, which sounds just weird but English well. But 429 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 1: then opponents, of course are drawing similarities to the z 430 00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:42,440 Speaker 1: and like the swastika you know, in the irony, there 431 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:46,520 Speaker 1: is that the big impetus, according to Putin, for invading 432 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:50,840 Speaker 1: Russia's denify their country. We did a two part episode 433 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:54,040 Speaker 1: recently on this this conflict, um and what we know now, 434 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,760 Speaker 1: and including a thing about the you know, the swift, 435 00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 1: the banking system and all of that. But just to reiterate, 436 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 1: there are pro white supremacist, Nazi leaning factions within the 437 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:12,000 Speaker 1: Ukrainian military, but there there are within the U. S 438 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 1: military too, and within factions of folks that would consider 439 00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:21,480 Speaker 1: themselves Americans patriots. So it's hard to it's hard to 440 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:23,720 Speaker 1: take it at face value, um, that this is some 441 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,480 Speaker 1: sort of like, you know, insidious threat that has to 442 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,720 Speaker 1: be dismantled instantly or else it's going to cause some 443 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:33,920 Speaker 1: sort of seepage of of this type of ideology into 444 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:36,800 Speaker 1: that part of the country. It just feels very disingenuous. 445 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:39,479 Speaker 1: Especially given like we talked about in the episode that 446 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 1: President Zelinski is himself Jewish and he has family, um 447 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:47,720 Speaker 1: that died in concentration camps and also family that fought 448 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 1: against the Nazis. So it feels a little weird. And 449 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,280 Speaker 1: there are certain, you know, folks that are tweeting out 450 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,920 Speaker 1: graphics using the Z. If you take two z s 451 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:59,280 Speaker 1: and superimpose them across each other, it looks like it 452 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:03,000 Speaker 1: looks like a lastica. So not saying that's the intent, 453 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,280 Speaker 1: but it does have eerie especially when when a new 454 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:08,719 Speaker 1: you know, symbol like this just kind of comes up 455 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,480 Speaker 1: and then you have sort of like analogs from history. 456 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 1: It's hard to ignore that. Um, I'm not saying there's 457 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 1: an alignment of ideology there at all, but it's still 458 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 1: but it still is eerie. I think you're right, then, 459 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:24,600 Speaker 1: I think you know. Again, we don't know exactly what 460 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,240 Speaker 1: this is from. We have some ideas, but this is 461 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,120 Speaker 1: an ongoing thing and we're gonna keep an eye on it. 462 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 1: In the meantime, we're gonna take a break and then 463 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 1: we'll be back with one more piece of strange news. 464 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:44,440 Speaker 1: And we're back, and rather than just reading this headline, 465 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:49,840 Speaker 1: We're gonna let CBS Channel four out of Colorado give 466 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:52,760 Speaker 1: you the rundown. A box of human heads, intended for 467 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:56,440 Speaker 1: medical reasons, has been stolen. Denver police are trying to 468 00:29:56,440 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 1: find out who took them and why. All right, it's 469 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 1: human heads, Yeah, it's it's not just when Paltra said, 470 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:16,040 Speaker 1: it's it's many human heads. Spoilers, That's what it is. 471 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 1: It was the Mandarin's head in the box the whole time. Matt, 472 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:25,000 Speaker 1: this is a story I think we saw we saw 473 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,800 Speaker 1: pretty pretty recently, and like, like I was saying at 474 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 1: the top of today's show, so much stuff is fading 475 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 1: from the news. Things that would be like would Gardner 476 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:39,040 Speaker 1: more national or even international attention if we weren't living 477 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:42,600 Speaker 1: in such troubled times? But what are what are the 478 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,720 Speaker 1: details in this? I don't want to make it awkward, 479 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:49,760 Speaker 1: but you were not involved, right not this time? Okay, Okay, 480 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 1: well here, really that's all you need to know. That's 481 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:53,680 Speaker 1: the story. This is the segment we can go in 482 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 1: in the show right now. There is Everybody needs to 483 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,120 Speaker 1: be aware that a box of human heads was stolen 484 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:03,360 Speaker 1: in the Central Park area of Denver. Keeping if you 485 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:07,400 Speaker 1: see it, if you run into it. Call the authorities. Yes, 486 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,280 Speaker 1: the authorities have asked for you to give them a 487 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 1: call if you do. In fact, see the box of 488 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:18,360 Speaker 1: human heads. These are heads that were like donated to science. 489 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,040 Speaker 1: Like when you when you click that organ donor thing 490 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,240 Speaker 1: is it's usually just to catch all kind of that 491 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:26,160 Speaker 1: could include your whole head. Right. This this is not 492 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:29,680 Speaker 1: organ donation. This is there's a whole different thing. This 493 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,880 Speaker 1: is donating your entire body to science. And we're gonna 494 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:34,920 Speaker 1: talk about that in just a second. I'll give you 495 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,720 Speaker 1: the details here from the Denver Post. You can find 496 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:41,040 Speaker 1: this by searching Box of Humans. Really just search box 497 00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:43,000 Speaker 1: of Heads and you'll find it. It's all over the 498 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 1: place right now. But this one is the movie eight 499 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,320 Speaker 1: Heads in a Duffel Bag. It's the one that comes up. 500 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:50,560 Speaker 1: And it's not the comic Basket Full of Heads by 501 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:54,120 Speaker 1: Joe Hill, which is a great read. Uh. It's something 502 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:57,200 Speaker 1: that's something else and that I think the honor goes 503 00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:00,680 Speaker 1: to you to describe a little more about the legal 504 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:07,200 Speaker 1: standing of these heads. If that's okay, yeah, okay, of 505 00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:11,880 Speaker 1: these heads. Let's get ahead of this story. Hold one 506 00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,000 Speaker 1: say I'm just gonna read the I'm just gonna read 507 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,040 Speaker 1: a bit from the Denver Post. Everybody has the same 508 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:20,400 Speaker 1: info here. So this occurred sometime between two thirty pm 509 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:25,040 Speaker 1: on Wednesday, the second of March and am the third 510 00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:28,040 Speaker 1: of March, which is a Thursday. The truck, according to 511 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:32,080 Speaker 1: the Denver Post, was parked in the seventies hundred block 512 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:35,360 Speaker 1: of East twenty Avenue. It was a blue and white 513 00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:41,600 Speaker 1: box with a label reading quote exempt human specimen, and 514 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:45,480 Speaker 1: somebody decided whatever is in that is mine now. They 515 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,720 Speaker 1: also stole a dolly that was on the truck because 516 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:52,120 Speaker 1: I guess it was heavy and human headways eight pounds. 517 00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:57,760 Speaker 1: I heard that somewhere. Here's the number to call if 518 00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 1: you do, in fact find this box by the time 519 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,240 Speaker 1: time you're listening to this. Maybe you're the one you 520 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,080 Speaker 1: just happen to be listening to a podcast while you 521 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,680 Speaker 1: found a box of human heads. The number is seven 522 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:11,600 Speaker 1: to zero nine one, three, two thousand. That's the police number. 523 00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:14,760 Speaker 1: So don't call that unless you got eyes on the heads, correct, 524 00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,840 Speaker 1: All right? Now, So let's jump through the difference between 525 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:24,560 Speaker 1: donating your body for science and donating your organs. Uh well, 526 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:29,200 Speaker 1: let me just when when you donate your body, you're 527 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,600 Speaker 1: not gonna have your organs removed to be donated to 528 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,120 Speaker 1: an individual person who, let's say needs a kidney or 529 00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:38,320 Speaker 1: a liver or heart or something like that. When you 530 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:42,760 Speaker 1: donate your body, you are specifically donating it for medical 531 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:47,959 Speaker 1: research and study study for medical education. When you donate 532 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:51,240 Speaker 1: your body to science in this way, generally, you're you're 533 00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:54,040 Speaker 1: donating to a specific program within the state that you 534 00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:57,160 Speaker 1: live in. If you live in the US, and some 535 00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:00,200 Speaker 1: states have multiple ones. In Colorado, there is a need 536 00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:03,520 Speaker 1: one place you can really sign up with to donate 537 00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,640 Speaker 1: your body to science, and it's with the University of Colorado. 538 00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:11,000 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna read from a quick study here titled 539 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:14,520 Speaker 1: Bodies for Anatomy Education in Medical Schools and overview of 540 00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:19,720 Speaker 1: the sources of cadavers worldwide. And here's the quip. Today, 541 00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:23,160 Speaker 1: the most common sources to have a body for medical 542 00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:26,120 Speaker 1: use like this our body donation programs like the ones 543 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:30,360 Speaker 1: we're talking about, and unclaimed bodies, that is, bodies of 544 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,319 Speaker 1: individuals who die without relatives or friends to claim them 545 00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:37,600 Speaker 1: for burial or without the means to afford burial. John 546 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:42,040 Speaker 1: Jane does, correct, correct, correct, johnre Jane does. Or you 547 00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:46,640 Speaker 1: specifically sign up to have your body donated to science. 548 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:50,399 Speaker 1: And you can go to I E. D. S dot 549 00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:55,960 Speaker 1: online and find each state's body donation program. In Colorado 550 00:34:56,120 --> 00:35:01,200 Speaker 1: it is the Colorado State Anatomical Board, which is in Aurora, Colorado, 551 00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:05,960 Speaker 1: and if you go to their website you can learn 552 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,920 Speaker 1: all about it and you can sign up yourself if 553 00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,880 Speaker 1: you wish to donate your body in this way. So 554 00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:15,920 Speaker 1: what does the exempt part mean on the label exempt 555 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,399 Speaker 1: human remains? Let's talk about it. What does it mean? Yeah, 556 00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:24,920 Speaker 1: just to throw this into clarify, if you if you 557 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:27,839 Speaker 1: go to the Post Office, and I love I love 558 00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:32,319 Speaker 1: learning unexpected things from strange, seemingly innocuous sources. If you 559 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:36,200 Speaker 1: go to the Post Office, you'll see that exempt human 560 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:41,120 Speaker 1: remains or exempt human specimen is something that falls under 561 00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:49,480 Speaker 1: their policy regarding packaging instruction six exempt or animal specimens. 562 00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:54,200 Speaker 1: It means, roughly, I'm just quoting, so don't consider this 563 00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:56,759 Speaker 1: research on my part. I'm I'm quoting a website here. 564 00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:01,239 Speaker 1: It means a human or animal sample, including but not 565 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:06,920 Speaker 1: limited to secreta excreta, blood and its components, tissue and 566 00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:11,879 Speaker 1: tissue fluids, and body parts transported for routine testing not 567 00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:16,319 Speaker 1: related to the diagnosis of an infectious disease, because those 568 00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:19,600 Speaker 1: couldn't necessarily go through the mail, right, Like, like anything 569 00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:22,399 Speaker 1: that was some sort of bio hazardous could not be 570 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:26,640 Speaker 1: shipped through these same means. Well, they would be exempt too. 571 00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:29,440 Speaker 1: You could ship some of those things so conceivably, and 572 00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:31,800 Speaker 1: you kind of have to when you're tackling large scale 573 00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:36,680 Speaker 1: um infections or outbreaks. It's just that stuff has to 574 00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:41,719 Speaker 1: be shipped with policies that apply to has Mett hazardous materials. 575 00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:44,719 Speaker 1: They got to be packaged differently. But this is just 576 00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:49,239 Speaker 1: saying there's a very low probability that the sample is infectious. 577 00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:52,120 Speaker 1: So for those people, maybe there's some some packing peanuts, 578 00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:55,040 Speaker 1: you know, like some uh, you know, bubble wrap, not 579 00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:59,600 Speaker 1: necessarily some sort of like you know, ironclad containment system 580 00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:03,399 Speaker 1: in the I'm joking. But so for those people who 581 00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:07,520 Speaker 1: stole a box of heads, whether or not you knew 582 00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:11,120 Speaker 1: that box indeed did contain heads, a little bit of 583 00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:14,239 Speaker 1: silver lining for you. You're probably not going to get 584 00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:17,480 Speaker 1: infected with some sort of plague, but still you did 585 00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:22,440 Speaker 1: something really messed up. And for those leaving karma, yeah, 586 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:26,440 Speaker 1: it comes back around. Man, if we understand the intent 587 00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,560 Speaker 1: behind this theft was it Maybe like they didn't know 588 00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:32,040 Speaker 1: what it was. They just thought it could have been 589 00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:34,200 Speaker 1: something of value, Like what do you do with these? 590 00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:37,640 Speaker 1: Where do you offense stolen heads? We have no information 591 00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:40,360 Speaker 1: with regards to intent or who the person was. We 592 00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:43,439 Speaker 1: know nothing about that right now, but we do know 593 00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,880 Speaker 1: a little bit more about the donation process. I just 594 00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:48,479 Speaker 1: want to go through that with you guys a little bit. 595 00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:52,319 Speaker 1: The reason why it's called that exempt remains in specifically 596 00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:55,920 Speaker 1: that box with heads, is because when you donate your body, 597 00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:59,680 Speaker 1: you have to meet certain criteria and you can't have 598 00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:01,640 Speaker 1: a lot of those things, the infectious things you're talking about. 599 00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:03,680 Speaker 1: There have been like things that would be if you 600 00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:06,319 Speaker 1: open the box in you know, there's a specimen in 601 00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:09,680 Speaker 1: there that is HIV positive and there is blood involved 602 00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:14,680 Speaker 1: or something like that. Um, you can't have hepatitis B 603 00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,480 Speaker 1: or C, COVID nineteen, can have COVID nineteen if you 604 00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:20,680 Speaker 1: are at least at the time of death when you're 605 00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:24,680 Speaker 1: donating your body, HIV AIDS, extremely high or low body 606 00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:28,360 Speaker 1: mass index, all kinds of other things where it will 607 00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:30,279 Speaker 1: you will not be able to donate your body to 608 00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:33,880 Speaker 1: science in this way. Maybe this is obvious to most people, 609 00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:36,759 Speaker 1: I have this question. I have a question like, when 610 00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:40,000 Speaker 1: you die and you are infected with this, your blood 611 00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,719 Speaker 1: remains infectious. Obviously, it's not like it all of a 612 00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:48,160 Speaker 1: sudden just magically becomes inert I'm not a scientist or doctor. 613 00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:51,239 Speaker 1: I don't know the answer to that, but uh, think 614 00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:55,000 Speaker 1: of it in terms of time windows, right, so you 615 00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:57,960 Speaker 1: can find traces of and infection from let's say an 616 00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:03,000 Speaker 1: ancient body, right that had the plague in, you know, 617 00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:07,520 Speaker 1: like mark or something, um, and a lot of context 618 00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:10,759 Speaker 1: clues from you know, if you participate in the art 619 00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:15,640 Speaker 1: of grave robbing, which is now called archaeology kidding, kitting archaeologists, 620 00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:19,960 Speaker 1: valuable science. UM. I do think, yeah, you do have 621 00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:23,960 Speaker 1: to be careful around this sort of stuff. Also, this 622 00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:28,239 Speaker 1: inspires me to suggest that we do do an episode 623 00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:32,280 Speaker 1: on something related which our body brokers. In the US, 624 00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:36,680 Speaker 1: the laws about who can and can't sell the dead 625 00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:42,480 Speaker 1: and how they do it, they're shockingly open, open minded, 626 00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:45,640 Speaker 1: let's put it that way. Interesting. But yeah, so sorry, 627 00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:49,319 Speaker 1: as you were saying, at the issue, there is the 628 00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:53,480 Speaker 1: the infection and people wouldn't know. Like most times, if 629 00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:58,280 Speaker 1: you're if you're taking a body part or a cadaver. 630 00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:00,760 Speaker 1: Unless you're an expert, you're not going to be able 631 00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:05,440 Speaker 1: to immediately know whether they have some sort of contagion 632 00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:08,839 Speaker 1: right whether that could get to you. And even if 633 00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:11,359 Speaker 1: you are an expert, you know you have to do 634 00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:15,840 Speaker 1: several methodologically sound test to figure that out. And until 635 00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:18,440 Speaker 1: you do, better safe than sorry, it's best to air 636 00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:20,799 Speaker 1: on the side of caution. I agreed. Well, that's why 637 00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:23,640 Speaker 1: body donation programs are all about the other side, the 638 00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:28,439 Speaker 1: early stuff signing up, registering yourself, and letting your loved 639 00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:30,800 Speaker 1: ones know. If you head over to science care dot 640 00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:34,359 Speaker 1: com you can learn all about it. I'm just gonna 641 00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:36,120 Speaker 1: give you a couple of quotes from here. If you've 642 00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:39,160 Speaker 1: decided body donation to science as an option for you, 643 00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:42,120 Speaker 1: we encourage you to join the Science Care online donor 644 00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:45,319 Speaker 1: registry to express your intent to donate and let your 645 00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:47,960 Speaker 1: loved ones know about your wishes. Here's the part that 646 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:51,440 Speaker 1: freaked me out. Guys. There's a section below that that 647 00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:55,040 Speaker 1: talks about if you or your loved one has being 648 00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:58,640 Speaker 1: diagnosed as terminally ill or as in hospice care, you 649 00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:01,960 Speaker 1: can call us to fill out the pre enrollment form 650 00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:05,480 Speaker 1: and begin the screening and so like you can sign 651 00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:09,000 Speaker 1: a loved one up if you've got you know, if 652 00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,840 Speaker 1: you've got the proper I suppose power of attorney or 653 00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:13,920 Speaker 1: I don't know exactly how it works in this situation, 654 00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:16,240 Speaker 1: but you can sign your loved one up to donate 655 00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:18,640 Speaker 1: their entire body to science. It's sort of like what 656 00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:22,080 Speaker 1: they call a pre need in funereal circles, where you 657 00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:24,160 Speaker 1: you fill out, you know, all of the things that 658 00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:29,440 Speaker 1: you want for your funeral and advance of actually expiring. Yeah. Uh, 659 00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,880 Speaker 1: And there is an extensive screening process that occurs after 660 00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:37,640 Speaker 1: the wish to have a body donated occurs. Right, So 661 00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:39,600 Speaker 1: someone wants to do it, they register, and then there's 662 00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:42,799 Speaker 1: a whole bunch of stuff that has to happen. And remember, 663 00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:46,759 Speaker 1: all of these bodies will be used by students during 664 00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:50,880 Speaker 1: a semester of medical school. That's what this is for generally, 665 00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:54,719 Speaker 1: generally with one of these official programs. Also, I know 666 00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:58,560 Speaker 1: I keep interrupting here, but also, uh, these bodies sometimes 667 00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:03,000 Speaker 1: get blown up in military. Just be aware if you Yeah, 668 00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:06,800 Speaker 1: depending on what it is donated to, at least in 669 00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:09,880 Speaker 1: my knowledge, he said, in Colorado there's limited options, but 670 00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:12,319 Speaker 1: in other states there might be ones with more of 671 00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:15,160 Speaker 1: a military flavor or like more of like a specific 672 00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:18,799 Speaker 1: discipline of science. Yeah, I haven't looked through all of them, 673 00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:22,000 Speaker 1: like it. Just for instance, Georgia, you can donate to Mercer, 674 00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:27,080 Speaker 1: the Medical College of Georgia, Georgia campus of the Philadelphia 675 00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:32,279 Speaker 1: College of Osteopathic Medicine and Emery, so you can go 676 00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:35,840 Speaker 1: in Morehouse Morehouse School of Medicine. Also Osteopathic would be 677 00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:39,600 Speaker 1: more specifically regarding the bones, whereas Medical College of Georgia 678 00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:43,359 Speaker 1: could be any number of things, as as good Mercer. Yeah, 679 00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:47,799 Speaker 1: often the one I mentioned in Colorado, you're dealing with 680 00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:53,279 Speaker 1: full body they're generally performing full autopsies. Uh. And that's 681 00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:55,160 Speaker 1: one of the reasons that you can't then, like if 682 00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:57,440 Speaker 1: you donate your body in medical school, you can't or 683 00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:00,400 Speaker 1: for science in this way. You can't also donate kidney 684 00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:02,759 Speaker 1: because it's required for the students to learn wake where 685 00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:05,279 Speaker 1: is the kidney, how it how it connects all the 686 00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:08,520 Speaker 1: other body parts. One piece of your body you can 687 00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:11,359 Speaker 1: give away in a separate transaction. If you don't get 688 00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:17,080 Speaker 1: your body to science, is your corneys. Yeah, but you 689 00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:21,239 Speaker 1: can't do it. You can't do it voluntarily to a stranger. 690 00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:25,040 Speaker 1: I can tell you from personal experience it's and it 691 00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:31,280 Speaker 1: should be totally legal. Uh. Whatever. The laws are never side. 692 00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:35,760 Speaker 1: Laws are never perfect, but they are always an opportunity 693 00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:39,799 Speaker 1: to progress. Um. But yeah, I think this is a 694 00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:44,000 Speaker 1: full episode. I think we call it body Broker. Okay, 695 00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:49,400 Speaker 1: well that's the end of that segment. Umpah ba. Do 696 00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:52,040 Speaker 1: you have strange news going on that you want to 697 00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:54,920 Speaker 1: tell us about? Do you have any ideas for something 698 00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:56,879 Speaker 1: we should be covering on one of these episodes? Why 699 00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:59,160 Speaker 1: not reach out to us. 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