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Speaker 1: Shine Bright, Do Good with Kendrew Scott. Mark. It's been
Speaker 1: a little while. How are you and the family doing
Speaker 1: in southern California?
Speaker 2: Buddy? We're doing great, no complaints here. Just finished our
Speaker 2: season with Fox calling games, so this is this is
Speaker 2: the off season and what my what my wife likes
Speaker 2: to call Perry season, So it's really about her and
Speaker 2: Daniel and catching up with my good buddies in New York.
Speaker 2: So thanks for having me always listen.
Speaker 1: How much do you enjoy being in the booth at
Speaker 1: Fox this year?
Speaker 3: And can you tell us about all the games that
Speaker 3: you took in from a thirty thousand foot view as
Speaker 3: far as where's that NFL trending right now?
Speaker 2: Listen? I love what I get to do. I'm so
Speaker 2: grateful for Fox keeping me around, and this is the
Speaker 2: total dream job, you know, and there's only so many
Speaker 2: of there's less broadcasters for games, then there are quarterbacks
Speaker 2: in the NFL. So I got to be one of
Speaker 2: thirty two for a little while and then you know,
Speaker 2: now we're one of eighteen or whatever it is. So
Speaker 2: I'm incredibly blessed and grateful to Fox. But this is
Speaker 2: i'd like to say, you know, the healthiest I've felt.
Speaker 2: You don't get hit in the booth, which is nice.
Speaker 2: An occasional ribbing from your partner, whether it was Kevin
Speaker 2: Coogler or Adam Amein or Chris Myers when they want
Speaker 2: to talk and I need to be quiet, so I'll
Speaker 2: handle that. It's much better than getting sacked by Dwight
Speaker 2: Freeney or somebody like that. So that's nice. And you know,
Speaker 2: i'd like to think four years now, we're undefeated. Baby,
Speaker 2: we ain't lost the game in the booth, so I'm
Speaker 2: doing pretty gooft.
Speaker 3: We've talked about it before, but you see the game
Speaker 3: in a different lens. How do you go about providing
Speaker 3: color to not only somebody who played maybe amateur football,
Speaker 3: or they play college football, but also connecting to the
Speaker 3: lady on the couch who doesn't have any football experience.
Speaker 2: You know, I really do try and go back to
Speaker 2: some of my favorite coaches sayings, some of the coach speak,
Speaker 2: and those funny little things that have just found a
Speaker 2: way to ingrain themselves in my brain. You know, whether
Speaker 2: it's the way you groom a quarterback is like raising
Speaker 2: a child, so immediately you have a broad audience. Anybody
Speaker 2: watching that has a child can relate to what you're
Speaker 2: about to say. And a lot of times you tell
Speaker 2: that child, hey, buddy, I don't think you should touch
Speaker 2: that stove. It's hot and you're going to burn yourselves.
Speaker 2: But what happens They go out and do it themselves.
Speaker 2: And quarterbacks are the same way. They go out and
Speaker 2: try and force the ball when you tell them not to.
Speaker 2: You tell them who the best player on the other
Speaker 2: team is, and hey, we're gonna try and avoid that
Speaker 2: guy for this game until we get to this situation
Speaker 2: and you know, your quarterback gets a little antsy, maybe
Speaker 2: somebody like me, and you throw the interception, you touch
Speaker 2: the hot stove. So the best I can relate it
Speaker 2: to people, the everyday person who happened to be watching.
Speaker 2: And then at times when there's you know, a great
Speaker 2: opportunity to really dive into the x's and o's, then
Speaker 2: then I'll do that. But you can't do it all
Speaker 2: the time. You got to pick your spots. And you
Speaker 2: know that that little yellow crayon that we get and
Speaker 2: all those cool graphics we get to use on the
Speaker 2: tellustrator from Fingerworks. They give us a lot of options,
Speaker 2: but it's about when to use them, how to use them,
Speaker 2: how much to use them. And that's that's the tightrope
Speaker 2: that I'm walking during games. But I think I think
Speaker 2: it's important there to try and give your perspective. I'm
Speaker 2: obviously gonna give a quarterback perspective. I don't want to
Speaker 2: be a quarterback apologist, but I also understand what goes
Speaker 2: into that position. So if anything, you know, my favorite
Speaker 2: thing is I'll never look at Twitter, like during games,
Speaker 2: after games whatever, talking about announcing. But my brother Brandon,
Speaker 2: who you know, he'll he'll always text me occasionally, you know,
Speaker 2: like during the week or something, and we'll have Minnesota
Speaker 2: at Seattle, let's say, and you know he'll he'll see
Speaker 2: them at marked underscore Sanchez. Oh, you're such a homer
Speaker 2: for this. For the Seahawks. It's because you know Geno.
Speaker 2: Oh that's that's so messed up, you know, and then
Speaker 2: he'll see another one. I can't believe you love the
Speaker 2: Vikings this much. It's because of Kevin O'Connell. And so
Speaker 2: I know, if I get heat on both sides, I'm
Speaker 2: probably right down the middle, probably right in the fairway
Speaker 2: where I need to be. So that's kind of my gauge,
Speaker 2: just you know, unofficially, and and fun between my brother
Speaker 2: and I, who's constantly and cheeking me as well. But
Speaker 2: it's it's fun, you have. I have a great view
Speaker 2: of the whole thing, and I have pretty good experience
Speaker 2: on how this whole operation should look like and what
Speaker 2: it's how it's supposed to work and stuff, at least
Speaker 2: from my experience, and so I try and impart that knowledge,
Speaker 2: trying to be self defecating, trying to teach somebody something,
Speaker 2: hopefully make somebody laugh, and uh, you know, teach him
Speaker 2: a little football.
Speaker 3: Who would have thought back in your playing days that
Speaker 3: you and Tom Brady would beat teammates Here are twenty
Speaker 3: twenty four, twenty five.
Speaker 1: You can't make it.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's so funny. We were both actually the same
Speaker 2: place for New Year's and he had a Saints game
Speaker 2: coming up, and so he hadn't had the Saints since
Speaker 2: like Week two, and this is his first season calling games,
Speaker 2: and what an improvement he's made. I think, you know,
Speaker 2: he's once again he's my teammates, so I'm always going
Speaker 2: to speak highly of him. But you know, he's working
Speaker 2: hard at it, and it's not an easy thing to do,
Speaker 2: and it's not an easy thing to welcome a guy
Speaker 2: who kind of owned your division, not kind of, but
Speaker 2: owned our division in the AFC East for a long time.
Speaker 2: And you know that those were some heated battles against
Speaker 2: that squad, so you got to kind of check your
Speaker 2: baggage and help your teammate. But I knew what he
Speaker 2: was going through and not seeing a team for nine,
Speaker 2: ten to eleven weeks, and you have him early in
Speaker 2: the season, and now you got him the last game
Speaker 2: of the season. They're trying to get in the playoffs whatever.
Speaker 2: That's really hard to catch up on all that film,
Speaker 2: all that tape, so you gotta, you know, kind of
Speaker 2: get through some stuff quickly and read through some of
Speaker 2: those games, watch the tape and you're blinking through tape,
Speaker 2: so your eyes are almost bleeding. So it was just
Speaker 2: great to catch up with him and you know, talk
Speaker 2: to little Saints because I literally just came off a
Speaker 2: Saints game and I was like, dude, they got this
Speaker 2: guy in. This guy's been on IR since your game boom,
Speaker 2: and so it was nice to communicate like that. And
Speaker 2: I'm glad Fox gives us that, you know, team and
Speaker 2: family mentality and atmosphere where where we can really help
Speaker 2: each other out. And you know, whether it's Vilma, Greg
Speaker 2: Olson and those guys, you know, you contact those guys
Speaker 2: and just hit them out. Hey, man, you had the
Speaker 2: Falcons game last week, buddy, what's the deal? Give me?
Speaker 2: You know, a couple one liners on this specific player.
Speaker 2: He just bursts on the scene. What's your take? What
Speaker 2: did you see? And what did you see a practice?
Speaker 2: You know, how did that interview go? We don't get
Speaker 2: to interview him this week. How was the that kind
Speaker 2: of stuff. It really matters, and I think it comes
Speaker 2: across in the broadcast. The more information you have it
Speaker 2: always helps.
Speaker 1: All Right, we got a lot of jets to get to.
Speaker 3: But when you and Brady are together in that kind
Speaker 3: of situation and maybe you're having a soft drink. Did
Speaker 3: you ever talk about the memories of going at it
Speaker 3: that rivalry Jets Patriots?
Speaker 2: No, we actually we actually didn't get into that. We
Speaker 2: were talking more broadcasting and more about different teams we've seen.
Speaker 2: And it's interesting when you get to see this many
Speaker 2: teams week in and week out, and you see certain
Speaker 2: teams on a Friday practice and they set themselves apart, right,
Speaker 2: they separate themselves by one, the talent on the roster,
Speaker 2: to the coaching staff they have, and the overall atmosphere
Speaker 2: that you feel when you walk in somebody's building. So
Speaker 2: I relate it to if you've ever gone to like
Speaker 2: a dog breeder, and you got to look at all
Speaker 2: these puppies and there's fifteen of them in this litter. Well,
Speaker 2: one of them is gonna be the dominant puppy, one
Speaker 2: of them is gonna be really aggressive, one of them
Speaker 2: is gonna be a little more reserved, one of them
Speaker 2: is gonna be, you know, whining more than the others.
Speaker 2: One of them is gonna be barking more than the
Speaker 2: So you just get to see them all together and
Speaker 2: you get to compare them in the same environment, so
Speaker 2: you really see what separates a lot of these teams.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's it'll be no surprise to you, but
Speaker 2: the Kansas City practice I went to on a Friday,
Speaker 2: it was before Christmas, not this season, but the year before.
Speaker 2: I don't think the ball hit the ground until maybe
Speaker 2: like the second to last play of team, like the
Speaker 2: team reps and this is later in the year, so
Speaker 2: you're starting to cut down on reps, but they were
Speaker 2: still pretty heavy compared to some other teams. A lot
Speaker 2: of teams are walking through on Friday. Everybody's schedules a
Speaker 2: little different. But it was almost as if, and not
Speaker 2: almost the team knew that this practice was an elite
Speaker 2: level practice and this was up to their standard. And
Speaker 2: when the ball hit the ground of the back of
Speaker 2: the back corner of the end zone, like right off
Speaker 2: the guy's fingertips, everybody, even me, go, oh, it's like
Speaker 2: as if we were rooting for the team in that
Speaker 2: practice because it was so good. And that's the kind
Speaker 2: of standard that Andy Reid and that entire coaching staff
Speaker 2: and the players that they've acquired the GM. I mean,
Speaker 2: that's the standard that they adhere to and there are
Speaker 2: no substitutes for anything less. So you can see it
Speaker 2: across the league with these teams, and it's pretty lucky
Speaker 2: to get to see that.
Speaker 3: You're the last guy who took a playoff snap for
Speaker 3: this franchise on a cold, wintry day with Pittsburgh, you
Speaker 3: know we had them too.
Speaker 1: So but you came here.
Speaker 3: You came here to training camp prior to the twenty
Speaker 3: twenty four to twenty five season.
Speaker 1: You watch Rogers out there on that field.
Speaker 3: When you see the Jets finish five and twelve, finish
Speaker 3: with an interim head coach with Jeff Albrick in interim
Speaker 3: GM and fell Savage, do a wonder how this all unfolded?
Speaker 3: How are we sitting here right now.
Speaker 2: It's it's so hard to put your finger on one
Speaker 2: specific thing. But I will say, and I know that
Speaker 2: this isn't because it's the Jets, This is any team
Speaker 2: that's five and twelve. This is you know, look at
Speaker 2: the Commanders last year compared to this yere, look at
Speaker 2: Dan Campbell and the Lions a few years back as
Speaker 2: opposed to these past two years. Like it takes time.
Speaker 2: This whole thing isn't instant. Grits and I know everybody
Speaker 2: wants that. Just give me the answers, now plug and play.
Speaker 2: We got Aaron Rodgers wore winning a Super Bowl. Sure
Speaker 2: that sounds good. It doesn't always equate to that, right,
Speaker 2: the theory versus the practice idea, and so it's it's
Speaker 2: hard to put your finger on it. But I'm telling
Speaker 2: you five and twelve is I mean, we're talking a
Speaker 2: couple of plays throughout the season, a game, a bounce,
Speaker 2: an injury that you go from five to twelve to
Speaker 2: twelve and five. And I know it sounds crazy. I
Speaker 2: promise you. I know it sounds crazy. And oh you're
Speaker 2: saying that because it's the Jets podcast. I'd say it
Speaker 2: on any team's podcast, thirty one other teams, i'd say it.
Speaker 2: And it really is. I mean, Kansas City was struggling
Speaker 2: for years until Andy Reid came in, So what's the difference.
Speaker 2: And I think it's tough when you go through one
Speaker 2: the injuries. I mean, nobody can control that. Everybody tries
Speaker 2: to do their best to mitigate those things and hopefully
Speaker 2: you get hit if you do early in the season
Speaker 2: and guys come back they're not season enders. And you
Speaker 2: get everybody healthy and you kind of crescendo into the
Speaker 2: playoffs with your playing ability and availability. But these are
Speaker 2: difficult things. You get decimated by injuries. You fire the
Speaker 2: coach after week five and the two games prior it's
Speaker 2: a one score game. You know, I don't know a
Speaker 2: team and maybe there has been, but I don't know
Speaker 2: a team that's made the playoffs after finding their coach
Speaker 2: after five games or midway through the year, when you
Speaker 2: have an interim head coach. And that I had nothing
Speaker 2: to do with coach Olbrick, nothing to do with Robert Sola.
Speaker 2: I mean, that defense has been excellent for the last
Speaker 2: few years. So it's really hard to put your finger
Speaker 2: on it. And I'm just telling you the margin is
Speaker 2: they're not that far off. I know it seems at
Speaker 2: times you read stuff that fans say and oh man,
Speaker 2: there's not a tent big enough for the circus and
Speaker 2: this is a dumpster fire, and well, hold on now,
Speaker 2: pump the brakes. Let's eliminate some of the emotion here
Speaker 2: and get to some And you got a quarterback that
Speaker 2: played all right, you know, better than al right. He
Speaker 2: played better than his last year in Green Bay, coming
Speaker 2: off of an achilles injury. So say what you want
Speaker 2: about the guy, but he had you into the ball games,
Speaker 2: and you know, you got to figure out how to
Speaker 2: help the guy playing quarterback, whether it's me, whether it's Aaron,
Speaker 2: whether it's anybody in between. So I think there's there's
Speaker 2: a lot of work.
Speaker 1: That needs to be done, no doubt about that.
Speaker 3: And the Jets GM and head coaching searches well underway.
Speaker 3: We're going to hear about a number of candidates here
Speaker 3: in the coming days and weeks. But from your perspective
Speaker 3: as a guy who played quarterback, who played quarterback in
Speaker 3: the AFC Championship Game consecutive years for this franchise, what's
Speaker 3: most important when you're talking about GM, head coach, quarterback.
Speaker 2: Well, I think those three are the holy trinity of
Speaker 2: the NFL, and it's an owner that can find those
Speaker 2: guys and they all have to be essentially in lockstep
Speaker 2: or close enough to where they understand when they disagree,
Speaker 2: it's okay, But we're going to continue rowing the boat
Speaker 2: in the same direction and at least hopefully have a
Speaker 2: similar lens to where they view things, or if they
Speaker 2: have different lenses, then lenses that they can respect and
Speaker 2: stuff that they can glean from each other to work together.
Speaker 2: The perfect example is what they have going in Kansas City, Right,
Speaker 2: you draft your quarterback that you want, he gets to
Speaker 2: learn from an all pro in Alex Smith, and then
Speaker 2: lights the world on fire because he's got a head
Speaker 2: coach and a GM that believed in him, found him
Speaker 2: in the draft, and put a ton of resources into
Speaker 2: making sure that guy's life and his learning curve was
Speaker 2: the right speed. And you know, they've done it, and
Speaker 2: that's they're the anomaly, they're the outlier. But that's what
Speaker 2: everybody's searching for, whether it's you know, we mentioned those
Speaker 2: conversations with Tom Brady and we talked about different organizations
Speaker 2: and even if him and Bill Belichick didn't agree at times,
Speaker 2: they still knew which direction they were going. You don't
Speaker 2: always have to agree. It doesn't always have to be perfect.
Speaker 2: Bill Belichick's way isn't the only way to win games. Right.
Speaker 2: There's other coaches who've had sustained success. Pete Carroll has
Speaker 2: a different, you know, mode of operating than Bill Belichick.
Speaker 2: So does Andy Reid. So there's different ways to attack
Speaker 2: this thing. But you got to get people to buy in,
Speaker 2: and it's got to be you know, one direction, everybody
Speaker 2: rowing in the same direction, and it's really really hard
Speaker 2: to get that. I think when we're talking specifically with
Speaker 2: the New York Jets, you know, because this place is
Speaker 2: so big, because the media is such a force in
Speaker 2: the New York area and nationally, I think it would
Speaker 2: help to have a coach that might not be their
Speaker 2: first time, hopefully it's maybe their second or third rodeo,
Speaker 2: if that makes sense, with head coaching experience, hopefully some
Speaker 2: sustained success, maybe not you know, incredible success for a
Speaker 2: long period of time, because a lot of times those
Speaker 2: people aren't available or they've aged themselves out. So who's
Speaker 2: out there with that experience? I mean, I understand the
Speaker 2: argument for and against Rex Ryan, you know, I completely
Speaker 2: get it. And as one of his former players listen,
Speaker 2: we love playing for Rex was an excellent coach. He
Speaker 2: did an excellent job for us, and he can't argue
Speaker 2: with the success we had. Now do I think everything
Speaker 2: was perfect? No? But I wasn't perfect. Rex wasn't perfect.
Speaker 2: Mike Tannebaum wasn't perfect. So where can those things have
Speaker 2: gotten cleaned up? How much has he learned from being
Speaker 2: away from the game these few years being in Buffalo
Speaker 2: for the couple of years he was there. I mean
Speaker 2: that's a big factor. And then having you know, a
Speaker 2: GM and coach that are you know, understand exactly what
Speaker 2: it looks like. What are we trying to find here?
Speaker 2: What kind of players are we looking for? What's our mentality?
Speaker 2: Look at the Chargers, I mean, Jim Harbaugh, this team
Speaker 2: to the playoffs this year, and I mean you look
Speaker 2: at their roster. I don't think the Jets have a
Speaker 2: worse roster than the Trucktures. If anything, I had to
Speaker 2: say the other way around. But these guys somehow found
Speaker 2: their way in the playoffs. So what's the difference.
Speaker 3: You know, That's why the season, that's why the season
Speaker 3: has been so maddening. This past season was so maddening
Speaker 3: for the fans because you talk about the talented roster,
Speaker 3: and then and you mentioned before as far as how
Speaker 3: close it can be.
Speaker 1: Sometimes the Jets were what three and seven and one score.
Speaker 3: Games and they had six leads in the fourth quarter
Speaker 3: where the other team ended up winning.
Speaker 2: I mean, so those those kind of examples. Look at
Speaker 2: O'Connell's first year in Minnesota, they won like twelve one
Speaker 2: score games. So sometimes you get to bounce a couple
Speaker 2: of those games. Sometimes you're just so in tune with
Speaker 2: those end of game mechanics and end of game situations
Speaker 2: that you're going to out execute other teams. And really
Speaker 2: you just don't give it away the other Most teams
Speaker 2: lose games, most teams don't go win them. A lot
Speaker 2: of teams are given away. If you got the lead
Speaker 2: in the fourth quarter, you got to be thinking, all right, boys,
Speaker 2: let's put a bowl on this thing and knock these
Speaker 2: guys out. Let's go finish this game. We got to
Speaker 2: learn how to finish. And it takes time to instill
Speaker 2: that in a team, in a ball club, and it
Speaker 2: takes offseason and reps. It takes you know, live reps
Speaker 2: where you get to go in the situation, either succeed
Speaker 2: or fail, come back to the very next day, watch
Speaker 2: it as a team. You got to understand exactly what
Speaker 2: made it work or exactly what made you fail, or
Speaker 2: what you did to give the game away, and what
Speaker 2: you allow because you're either coaching it or you're allowing
Speaker 2: it to happen. Right, And that's that's the big argument.
Speaker 2: When when you look at this ball club with all
Speaker 2: those fourth quarter leads just find a way to finish.
Speaker 2: I think a lot of that too, is special teams.
Speaker 2: It's it's not just the quarterback, it's not just the receiver,
Speaker 2: the O line, the D line. It's a collective unit
Speaker 2: and those three phases offense, defense, and a lot of
Speaker 2: times more importantly special teams. Just ask Jay Feely, Nick Folk.
Speaker 2: Those guys hit some clutch, clutch field goals for us,
Speaker 2: for the teams.
Speaker 1: I was going now on field goals still to this day, That's.
Speaker 2: What I'm saying. So like that wasn't just hey, Sanchez
Speaker 2: won the game, No, we won the game. I made
Speaker 2: a couple of play. Revis made some plays. Mangold made
Speaker 2: the block, he had the strain that kept me in
Speaker 2: the pocket, one extra half second to find Braylen Edwards
Speaker 2: down the field. Santonio Holmes streaking across the middle. Like
Speaker 2: those kind of things happen when everybody starts to come together,
Speaker 2: when it when it really starts to gel. And you
Speaker 2: know the kicking issue. You go through four kickers in
Speaker 2: one year, and you start with Zerlin, sorry's five there
Speaker 2: you go. I mean you start with Zerlin and he
Speaker 2: was nails last year and then goes through his struggles.
Speaker 2: Then you bring over a couple of different players. You
Speaker 2: get Carlson, the brother of the kid in Vegas. The
Speaker 2: kid in Vegas is an absolute stud. Carlson gets drafted
Speaker 2: to green baylight last year in the sixth round. Remember
Speaker 2: green Bay the youngest roster in the league still but
Speaker 2: last year went to Dallas on the road, waxed them.
Speaker 2: Then they go to San Francisco, who ends up in
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl. Had the Chiefs on the ropes. They
Speaker 2: have them on the ropes. I mean they got their
Speaker 2: foot on their throat ready to end this game in
Speaker 2: San Francisco and Carlson misses the kick gets cut boom.
Speaker 2: Now he's on the Jets. Has a rough year. I
Speaker 2: mean those games, those three points, when you know you
Speaker 2: got a kicker like that, it completely changes your offensive mentality.
Speaker 2: You know, as soon as we cross the forty boys,
Speaker 2: we got points. Now it's got to be good. It's
Speaker 2: got to be really good. Or we don't need to
Speaker 2: force anything downfield. Two hands on the ball, play it smart,
Speaker 2: play conservative. Our defense has got our back. Special team
Speaker 2: is gonna win us field position and they're gonna get
Speaker 2: us points. Like those kind of things like special team's
Speaker 2: got to be a weapon. And you know, we were
Speaker 2: pretty fortunate to have not just the coaches like our
Speaker 2: guy west Off, even though he talked to a bunch
Speaker 2: of snack about me and who else, Benny Kottwika Howika
Speaker 2: was the man. I mean, getting guys to buy in
Speaker 2: finding the brad Smiths and you know, using special teams
Speaker 2: as the weapon, whether it's Peeley or Folk. That's that's
Speaker 2: a big part of this whole operation. And that group,
Speaker 2: I mean, they're not just special team, they're special forces. Man.
Speaker 2: They got to go in and do the dirty work.
Speaker 2: They got to do stuff that other people don't want
Speaker 2: to sign up to do, and they got to do
Speaker 2: it with a smile and a toughness and an attitude.
Speaker 2: And that's you know what I think the team was
Speaker 2: missing a ton last year because it's not just offensive defense.
Speaker 2: Those guys got to win some games for it.
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Speaker 1: How do you go about whomever this new leadership is?
Speaker 3: How do you go about instilling a new culture because
Speaker 3: there's a lot of talent here. We mentioned that, and
Speaker 3: you have young guys who are dogs, Garrett Wilson, Breese Hall.
Speaker 3: You got an offensive line that's got foundational pieces. You
Speaker 3: can flip it to the other side of the ball.
Speaker 3: And so you gotta Quinn Williams. You gotta Quincy Williams.
Speaker 3: You know Jamie it's sure what his contracts up, well
Speaker 3: to see what happens. But you got Sauce Gard in
Speaker 3: the defensive backfield. There are pieces here.
Speaker 1: But how do you go about coming in and stilling
Speaker 1: a winning culture because some of these young guys that
Speaker 1: I just mentioned, they haven't experienced winning yet.
Speaker 2: Right, and they haven't experienced it since college probably, and
Speaker 2: some of them are not even college. But like you
Speaker 2: look at Sauce, you look at Garrett Wilson, I mean,
Speaker 2: these guys are they got to decide on their fifth
Speaker 2: year option because they're entering their fourth year. Brinese Hall
Speaker 2: a little different because he was the second rounder. But
Speaker 2: those first round guys, you need to make some decisions
Speaker 2: on them and that kind of affects their mental entering
Speaker 2: the year. Does this team really want me or am
Speaker 2: I on a one year proven deal, and there's something
Speaker 2: to be said for both of that, right for each
Speaker 2: side of that. Keeping guys hungry but also making them
Speaker 2: feel a part of the team, and that is a
Speaker 2: tightrope walk across Niagara Fall. That's hard to do. So,
Speaker 2: no matter what, the person coming in has to command
Speaker 2: the respect of this ball club and guys have to
Speaker 2: want to be there. Then once you get that, you
Speaker 2: get guys there in the offseason, get guys around each other.
Speaker 2: You've got to have some sort of success. You gotta.
Speaker 2: It's once again, it's like raising kids. You got to
Speaker 2: You gotta set them up for success, watch them go
Speaker 2: through something, have the success, then they come back to
Speaker 2: you for more. Hey, you told me this. I went
Speaker 2: out and did it. It worked. I got the catch,
Speaker 2: I made the throw, I made the block. I used
Speaker 2: your technique and made the tackle. You know. I tackled
Speaker 2: through the football, got the strip sack, we got the ball,
Speaker 2: kicked the game winning field goal. That was awesome. Coach,
Speaker 2: give me more. I need more, And so I think
Speaker 2: a little bit of success early helps. I'm not saying
Speaker 2: you got to start ten to zero, but there's gotta
Speaker 2: be these little wins along the way. Whether it's the
Speaker 2: actual game winning or incremental improvement to where guys want
Speaker 2: more information, want more knowledge, want to be coached, and
Speaker 2: coach hard It's easier said than done. It's really easy
Speaker 2: on a podcast like this to talk about, Yeah, man,
Speaker 2: we're gonna establish the culture and they're gonna respect it
Speaker 2: and we're gonna win games. Well, yeah, that all sounds good,
Speaker 2: but what does that look like? And it's somebody with
Speaker 2: the real plan, with the blueprint, who's, in my opinion,
Speaker 2: done it before, had that success, something that these players
Speaker 2: can look back on and say, Man, I remember playing
Speaker 2: against that guy or man that position group when he
Speaker 2: coached that group, they were tough. They're always tough. They
Speaker 2: always led the league in this, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Like you get a basketball coach that comes over and
Speaker 2: you watch their old tape. Man, these guys are on
Speaker 2: the ground for every loose ball. These guys used four
Speaker 2: of their five fouls every game. You know, this is
Speaker 2: a tough unit. So that's what Hardball brought to the Chargers,
Speaker 2: right and you could see it every place he's been.
Speaker 2: He has that blueprint. So whoever you're bringing in, they're
Speaker 2: gonna bring in their personality. And then they got to
Speaker 2: get the guys buy in, have a little success early,
Speaker 2: so they keep coming back for more. Then now you're
Speaker 2: not only fighting you know, the adversity of losing for
Speaker 2: so long, Then you gotta fight the adversity of winning,
Speaker 2: right the Sometimes that's harder. Then, you know, once you
Speaker 2: have the success, there's adversity to success in a weird way.
Speaker 2: Right now everybody's the reason for the wins instead of
Speaker 2: that collective group that got you there. Now everybody wants
Speaker 2: theirs and everybody wants to get paid, which I respect.
Speaker 2: But you know, how long can you harness that pure
Speaker 2: love for each other for the game, for the practice,
Speaker 2: for the film, for the weightlifting, for the running and conditioning,
Speaker 2: the stuff you don't see on Sundays? Like how much
Speaker 2: do you love that? And how many of those guys
Speaker 2: on that roster are you going to fill spots with
Speaker 2: the love that? So I think that's the crossroads that
Speaker 2: the Jets are at.
Speaker 3: Fair Enough, Jets Nation will sign up for those kinds
Speaker 3: of problems, winning problems, And there are.
Speaker 1: Dudes on both sides of the ball. I didn't even
Speaker 1: mentioned Jermaine Johnson.
Speaker 3: Coming back from Achilles, I talked to him the other day,
Speaker 3: chomping at the beat. Will McDonald broke out in his
Speaker 3: second year. I mean, but let's talk about the quarterback.
Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers statistically had one of the best seasons in
Speaker 3: franchise history.
Speaker 1: He started all seventeen games.
Speaker 3: He gotta give him a ton of credit at forty
Speaker 3: one years old, coming back from the Achilles battling through ankle, knee,
Speaker 3: hamstring ailments to start every game. With that being said,
Speaker 3: you're gonna have new football leadership here. He Aaron asks
Speaker 3: his side what he wants to do. The Jets have
Speaker 3: to decide what they want to do. From your perspective,
Speaker 3: what are your thoughts what Aaron's going to go through,
Speaker 3: and what are your thoughts would the Jets have to
Speaker 3: go through because not only right now do they have
Speaker 3: Rogers under contract Tyrod Taylor, you also drafted a young
Speaker 3: kid out of Florida State who was working to get
Speaker 3: his get back, and that's Jordan Travis. And then people
Speaker 3: look at the draft and say, hey, the Jets are
Speaker 3: probably going to be looking at a another young pastor.
Speaker 1: We'll just see how that all unfolds.
Speaker 2: So I think when you talk about the quarterback position,
Speaker 2: there's you know, the there's a production aspect, there is
Speaker 2: the contract aspect, and the financial aspect, and then there's
Speaker 2: the atmosphere and leadership aspect. So if we're talking straight
Speaker 2: up production and stats, you know, almost thirty nine hundred yards,
Speaker 2: twenty eight touchdowns, eleven interceptions, sixty three percent completions. This
Speaker 2: is better than his last year in Green Bay. It's
Speaker 2: not as you know, back to back MVP years or
Speaker 2: as two MVP ers, whatever they were, but that's I mean,
Speaker 2: you can win with that. There's definitely some winning football
Speaker 2: in there somewhere because those stats are better than half
Speaker 2: the league at forty one years old coming off an achilles.
Speaker 2: So I don't know whoever comes in has to decide
Speaker 2: on if that's enough for them and what that means.
Speaker 2: But that's going to play in to the next point,
Speaker 2: which is the financials. And it's a big number. It's
Speaker 2: a big number for a guy who's forty one. But
Speaker 2: if you like that production and you're willing to pay
Speaker 2: him that much, well don't forget. You know, he sat
Speaker 2: his terms, the team agreed to those terms, and that's
Speaker 2: what you get when you make an agreement like that.
Speaker 2: That's what happens, So you take the good with the bad.
Speaker 2: Nobody expected him to be out after a couple of
Speaker 2: plays the very first year he starts, and who knows
Speaker 2: what the narrative is if he plays that whole season,
Speaker 2: So there's stuff to figure out with that contract. Do
Speaker 2: you take you know, the dead cap hit with the
Speaker 2: money and get rid of him. Do you use him
Speaker 2: as your bridge guy and draft his successor do you
Speaker 2: keep the current right and then wait for the next
Speaker 2: draft class where they think there might be some better
Speaker 2: quarterbacks available than this draft class, right because you missed
Speaker 2: last year's there are quite a few good ones that
Speaker 2: looked like So what does that mean financially? And I'm
Speaker 2: not a cap specialist, that's not my you know, I
Speaker 2: don't dive too hard into the financials. I just know
Speaker 2: it's a little messy with that situation. So they're gonna
Speaker 2: have to have a plan for that. And then the
Speaker 2: next thing is just the atmosphere his leadership, you know,
Speaker 2: do the guys respond to them? And I think for
Speaker 2: the most part it's yes. I know, you know recently,
Speaker 2: and it's an easy place to become the villain. Unfortunately,
Speaker 2: and you know, he's been villainized in a way. There's
Speaker 2: certain things I think each side probably could have handled
Speaker 2: a little differently. Anytime you look at you know, you
Speaker 2: go back and look in hindsight and it's always twenty twenty.
Speaker 2: But you'd say, yeah, maybe the organization could have done this,
Speaker 2: And you know, maybe Aaron could have showed up to
Speaker 2: the to the mini, maybe it could have been there
Speaker 2: for more OTAs. Maybe he had his own rehab stuff.
Speaker 2: Maybe there's other circumstances that I don't even know about.
Speaker 2: So you know, it's pure speculation here, but you'd like
Speaker 2: to have an environment where your guy wants to be
Speaker 2: there all the time, and there could be reasons that
Speaker 2: he didn't want to be there. I don't know. I'm
Speaker 2: not saying he's a horrible person for doing that whatever,
Speaker 2: just i'd like to see moving forward a coach, a
Speaker 2: GM and a quarterback that all three of those guys
Speaker 2: at Holy Trinity of an NFL ball club are all
Speaker 2: on the same page. They all want to be together
Speaker 2: as much as they can offseason, during the season, whatever
Speaker 2: it is, whatever our max hours is, we're trying to
Speaker 2: steal every second of those hours we're allowed to be together.
Speaker 2: And you know, this year. It's think about it. You
Speaker 2: get a new coach, you get two mini camps. One
Speaker 2: of them's mandatory. I'd like my quarterback to be at both.
Speaker 2: You know, that's just me. If I'm the new coach,
Speaker 2: I'd love him to be there. It makes my life
Speaker 2: a little easier because if you're trying to set this
Speaker 2: culture that we talked about, well, he's got to be
Speaker 2: the number one culture guy. He's gotta exude all of
Speaker 2: your fundamentals and your ideals in establishing that culture or
Speaker 2: else it kind of falls on deaf fears because if
Speaker 2: you're telling you know, fifty three on the roster, hey,
Speaker 2: you got to do this, but this guy can do that. Now, listen,
Speaker 2: there is an argument for you know, I'm gonna treat you,
Speaker 2: if I'm the head coach, I'm gonna treat you fairly.
Speaker 2: You're not all gonna get treated equally, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. The old Revus rule, the bus leaves at
Speaker 2: two thirty unless you're durell Reevs will wait, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. So there's some to be said for that,
Speaker 2: But you also have to have the right culture and
Speaker 2: guys that understand that and guys that don't take advantage
Speaker 2: of that. So bottom line is you need your best
Speaker 2: players to be your hardest workers. And if that's the
Speaker 2: case moving forward, I think there's plenty of meat on
Speaker 2: the bone when it comes to Aaron Rodgers and his
Speaker 2: ability as a player. I think the contract issue and
Speaker 2: then the atmosphere leadership issues are things they need to
Speaker 2: hash out the new coach Aaron. But I mean, if
Speaker 2: you're talking playing ability, the guys still got plenty. He's
Speaker 2: still one of the most amazing passers in the league,
Speaker 2: so I think there's plenty of wins left with number eight.
Speaker 3: It's all very interesting because he was here throughout OTAs
Speaker 3: that was the voluntary portion of camp, obviously referring to
Speaker 3: that mandatory mini camp there prior to training camp.
Speaker 1: And then you mentioned the REVS rule.
Speaker 3: You can go back to Bill Parcells who said that
Speaker 3: I think about treating players fairly, that doesn't mean you
Speaker 3: treat them equally.
Speaker 1: Did REVS really have in separate bus rules. I didn't
Speaker 1: even know that.
Speaker 2: No. Rex just made that joke one time. He said,
Speaker 2: you know, the bus leaves at two thirty, talking about
Speaker 2: we're going to the airport for a road game, and
Speaker 2: he said the bus leaves at two thirty unless you're
Speaker 2: Durell Reevs. Meaning you know, we'll wait for Darrell, And
Speaker 2: then he broke down that you know, jets on three
Speaker 2: one two three jets And then as we're walking away,
Speaker 2: it's like, if you have to think about if we'll
Speaker 2: wait for you, we ain't waiting, you know, like that
Speaker 2: means you're not that good. So it was just, uh,
Speaker 2: but that's that's one of those things you get to
Speaker 2: because we had so many veterans, you know, Yeah, Like
Speaker 2: we had guys that could take that kind of sarcasm
Speaker 2: that could understand that kind of humor. The Mangolds, the
Speaker 2: Brandon Moore's, our entire offense, like Alan Fanica. You know,
Speaker 2: those guys were through pros and had been around a lot.
Speaker 2: They'd seen a lot. They've seen winning football, they've seen
Speaker 2: losing football, so they can understand that. Now you've got
Speaker 2: a whole new group of teams and rookies and you
Speaker 2: ain't making that joke. It's just not you got to
Speaker 2: read the room. You can't do that. But with our team,
Speaker 2: other than me, we had veterans everywhere, so it was
Speaker 2: it was it was a fun time and in a
Speaker 2: different atmosphere.
Speaker 3: Getting back to the head coach search, you talked about
Speaker 3: maybe having a preference to somebody who had experience in
Speaker 3: that role before. Can you just speak to somebody who
Speaker 3: played here as someone who played here, who's in the
Speaker 3: media now, how unique this situation is.
Speaker 1: Whoever comes in to one Jets drive.
Speaker 3: What is it like to be a part of this
Speaker 3: franchise in New York and with this starving fan base?
Speaker 3: Because man, when you came in, you were a kid
Speaker 3: and you experienced winning.
Speaker 2: Right away, no doubt. And I think I was, you know,
Speaker 2: baptized by fire in a way. Remember you got to
Speaker 2: remember my journey. I'm coming off a Rose Bowl MVP.
Speaker 2: I'm the fifth pick in the draft. The first season
Speaker 2: was pretty rocky. We got into the playoffs. We were
Speaker 2: nine to seven, you know, we win our first three,
Speaker 2: we lose like four straight. Then it's kind of up
Speaker 2: and down, not sure if we're going to make the playoffs.
Speaker 2: At one point, I think after the Atlanta game, we
Speaker 2: thought we were out. Then we come in the building
Speaker 2: the next day and we're live. We got to win
Speaker 2: and get in. We got to win two games and
Speaker 2: get in whatever it is. And so that moment kind
Speaker 2: of galvanized that team to become something special and make
Speaker 2: some noise in the playoffs. Now, we didn't end up
Speaker 2: getting to the super Bowl, but we were damn close.
Speaker 2: And after that, there was a hunger and there was
Speaker 2: that culture that we talked about where once we got
Speaker 2: in that playoff mode, guys just got closer. It's not
Speaker 2: that their home lives and personal lives didn't matter, but
Speaker 2: they knew for the next couple months, it's got to
Speaker 2: be a hyper focus and a singular focus on what
Speaker 2: we're trying to do. And that is really takes precedent
Speaker 2: right now, and you know, not to diminish and minimize
Speaker 2: anything else going on at home. But there was a
Speaker 2: collective shared struggle there that was really paramount in our lives,
Speaker 2: it felt like, and we grew closer. We were always
Speaker 2: at dinner together, we were always watching extra tape together,
Speaker 2: we were always getting reps after practice together because we
Speaker 2: wanted to win. We tasted something, We knew there was
Speaker 2: something out there, and we got to go get it, man,
Speaker 2: And it's gonna take everything I got and I'm gonna
Speaker 2: make sure that other guy's given everything he's got. And
Speaker 2: if we're not, we need to have a conversation because
Speaker 2: it ain't fair to everybody. So I just felt like
Speaker 2: to get to that we experience it. Then I go
Speaker 2: to year two and now we're it feels like we're
Speaker 2: lighting the world on fire. We're winning these fourth quarter
Speaker 2: games that we didn't win my rookie year. We're winning
Speaker 2: fourth quarter, two minute comeback games. And this offense is
Speaker 2: starting to evolve. I'm getting to throw the ball a
Speaker 2: little bit more. It's not just run run, run, run, okay,
Speaker 2: occasional rollout pass. Now we're throwing it a little bit.
Speaker 2: We're getting in empty sets, we're using motion, we're using shifts.
Speaker 2: This thing's getting to where we want to go. And
Speaker 2: so I got this taste of the NFL, like, oh man,
Speaker 2: not that it was easy, but this is this is
Speaker 2: how it's supposed to go. This is kind of how
Speaker 2: you know, you script it, like we're we're knocking on
Speaker 2: the door of the super these first two years. Third year,
Speaker 2: come on, we got it. This is the one. This
Speaker 2: is the one. And then we go eight and eight,
Speaker 2: miss the playoffs and it's like whoa. And then you
Speaker 2: really experience New York and I had only seen one
Speaker 2: side of it. I'd seen little glimpses of oh, we
Speaker 2: lost the game or we're on a three game losing
Speaker 2: streak or whatever, but then we get back on a heater.
Speaker 2: I didn't experience it like that, where the whole offseason
Speaker 2: was just man, you know, you blew it, you're no
Speaker 2: good whatever. That's the way it is there. It's feast
Speaker 2: or famine. It's superlative media. And so having a coach
Speaker 2: that's been through it before, I think is important to
Speaker 2: handle that because you need somebody to just steady the
Speaker 2: boat right like steady stabilize and get everybody once again,
Speaker 2: to get the blinders on, put your phone down. The
Speaker 2: narratives in this building are more important than anywhere else.
Speaker 2: Let's lock that, you know, knock that stuff out, lock
Speaker 2: into what we got. And that's that's one of the
Speaker 2: most difficult things to do. Just so you know, on
Speaker 2: this media side, you know, for people watching, there's when
Speaker 2: you when you put together a TV show, when you
Speaker 2: construct a show, there's your first thing out of the
Speaker 2: gate is called your a block. Cowboys jets. They're going
Speaker 2: to lead to a block on almost every show across
Speaker 2: the country. Now that you know it, like you'll see
Speaker 2: it more. I didn't realize it like that until I
Speaker 2: really got into TV. But that a block is the
Speaker 2: heavy hitters. And oh, by the way, we'll talk about
Speaker 2: Kansas City. They're back to back super Bowl champs. But
Speaker 2: did you see the Jets game yesterday? It's like, whoa wait, what?
Speaker 2: How does that work like that? So just for the
Speaker 2: coaches to understand that and have been through that kind
Speaker 2: of fire, I'm not saying necessarily in New York, but
Speaker 2: being the headman, I mean, you're catching strays, You're catching
Speaker 2: a lot at all times, and that guy's got to
Speaker 2: be stronger than kevlar. So it's it's a different animal
Speaker 2: in that market. And I'm black to have played there,
Speaker 2: learned a ton about people, business football myself, and that's
Speaker 2: that's really what that market's all about. So you got
Speaker 2: to find a way to to block it out, and
Speaker 2: you know winning, winning is one way to do it.
Speaker 3: I'd be real mess if I didn't ask you about
Speaker 3: the playoffs here. Well, Kansas City is trying to do,
Speaker 3: attempting to do. We've never seen it before, even though
Speaker 3: that New England had a dynastic run themselves, But you're
Speaker 3: talking about a team going for three straight titles. In
Speaker 3: terms of the Jets, how should their fan base be
Speaker 3: viewing the playoffs Because I'm looking at Kansas City and
Speaker 3: saying that team's not going anywhere. You're looking at Baltimore
Speaker 3: and saying that team's not going anywhere.
Speaker 1: And Buffalo's won five consecutive AFC East titles, and those.
Speaker 3: Are the teams that you're ultimately going to want to
Speaker 3: compete with.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but just remember however many years ago it was
Speaker 2: in nine and ten, it was the Patriots, it was us,
Speaker 2: you know, it was the Steelers. I mean, these things
Speaker 2: change over time. Now a lot of these teams sustain success.
Speaker 2: They get in the playoff tournament every year. That's really
Speaker 2: where you want to be right around there and keep
Speaker 2: drafting and developing guys. But you know, the thing can
Speaker 2: flip fast. So it's not you know, the end of
Speaker 2: the world, and you've got to build and construct a
Speaker 2: team to win your division. And then you got to
Speaker 2: look at, Okay, what else do we have. We're gonna
Speaker 2: need some pass rushers because the AFC quarterbacks are insane.
Speaker 2: Just Mahomes, Lamar Jackson, and Josh Allen, I mean those
Speaker 2: three right there. We need somebody to sack that guy.
Speaker 2: We need somebody. You can't ever stop them. Those guys
Speaker 2: are you know, uh, superstars like in the NBA. You're
Speaker 2: never gonna stop Steph Curry. You're never gonna hold them
Speaker 2: to zero points. But can we just limit his touches?
Speaker 2: Can we find a way to somehow hold them to
Speaker 2: less than twenty? Would be amazing, you know what I mean? Like, Okay, now,
Speaker 2: how do we do that? Who do we have to
Speaker 2: really make that happen? And that's where you know, our
Speaker 2: defense was so good in O nine and ten that
Speaker 2: you know we get after players like Tom Brady, like
Speaker 2: Ben Roethlisberger. You know, not every time they got the
Speaker 2: better of us, but there were some times now where
Speaker 2: we could catch them on a couple quarters. And now offense,
Speaker 2: you got to turn it on special teams, flip the field,
Speaker 2: give us a chance. And so I think if you
Speaker 2: get too concerned about the outside, you got to be
Speaker 2: aware of it, right, you can't be completely ignorant to it.
Speaker 2: But if you get too concerned about it, like how
Speaker 2: can we beat these guys? How can we beat these guys?
Speaker 2: They're so good, they're superstars. Well that's what they thought
Speaker 2: about some of the guys on our team. So you know,
Speaker 2: we pick up some big time free agents and Ladenian Thomlinson,
Speaker 2: Jason Taylor. I mean, you bring in a couple boom
Speaker 2: they they add to the roster. Jason Taylor picks up
Speaker 2: a couple of sacks like, oh man, here we go.
Speaker 2: Now we got a shot, baby, And so you know,
Speaker 2: you pick up an extra possession along the way, steal
Speaker 2: a field goal along the way, and that's how you
Speaker 2: piece it together at the beginning and then hopefully end
Speaker 2: up where Kansas City is and you're just amazed that
Speaker 2: they've held it together so long. They have a core
Speaker 2: group of guys once again who believe in the ethos
Speaker 2: of that team and the philosophy of that team, and
Speaker 2: they have something to fall back on good bad wins, losses.
Speaker 2: We have something that we subscribe to believe in and
Speaker 2: can always fall back on. And that's you know, going
Speaker 2: to evolve a little bit over time, but those hardcore
Speaker 2: values and beliefs that should be should be a constant.
Speaker 3: Kansas City is an anomaly this year though, because they're not scoring.
Speaker 1: They're not scoring thirty every week these other.
Speaker 2: Teams, and it's find it's it's formula so so. But
Speaker 2: for the Jets, well, look at the Patriots. Look at
Speaker 2: the Patriots early Tom Brady career, late Tom Brady career.
Speaker 2: You know, one year he throws whatever, it was, fifty
Speaker 2: touchdowns and you know Randy Moss is lighting up to score. Well,
Speaker 2: he didn't do that the first year he started. The
Speaker 2: first two years he started, it was fulk out of
Speaker 2: the backfield. It was you know, tight ends making catches.
Speaker 2: It was defensive. You know, Mike Rabel running the show
Speaker 2: on defense with Bruski and you know, I mean they
Speaker 2: had ballers now on defense and that was a defensive team.
Speaker 2: And Brady played a different brand of football than he
Speaker 2: did at the end of his career year twenty when
Speaker 2: he's seen everything under the sun. So understanding what you're
Speaker 2: trying to construct, who you're trying to be, what division
Speaker 2: you need to win, Okay, what does that look like?
Speaker 2: And then also understanding your personnel. What are we good at,
Speaker 2: what can we do, what are we trying to do,
Speaker 2: and what do these players respond to? So I think
Speaker 2: that's part of the battle. But that whole algorithm is
Speaker 2: you know, if I had the exact answer Buddy had,
Speaker 2: I don't know if we'd be talking on this, I
Speaker 2: don't know if you could afford.
Speaker 3: Me mark multiple ways of skinned cat that's what you're saying. Hey, listen,
Speaker 3: Kansas City, they found a way to win differently. This
Speaker 3: Buffalo scored more than thirty points a game every week.
Speaker 1: Baltimore scored more than thirty every week. Detroit is scoring
Speaker 1: at astronomical numbers.
Speaker 3: You saw what your buddy Koc was able to do
Speaker 3: there in Minnesota, you know. But they're pairing it up
Speaker 3: with that blitzing defense with Flores, who's going to get
Speaker 3: head coaching looks himself, and Philadelphia as well in other
Speaker 3: prolific offense.
Speaker 1: So it's just interesting as far as the friends are concers.
Speaker 2: Some of those guys you're talking about, like those are
Speaker 2: second opportunity maybe third opportunity quarterbacks in the big and
Speaker 2: mayfield in the playoffs. Like it's Sam Darnold went right
Speaker 2: through New York, is there not the right atmosphere, didn't
Speaker 2: play as well as he wanted to. Goes through the whole,
Speaker 2: you know, quarterback rehab process, whatever you want to call it,
Speaker 2: and he becomes this reclamation project, lands in a place
Speaker 2: with an excellent defense, weapons on offense, a solid o
Speaker 2: line and the guy looks like, you know, a pro bowler,
Speaker 2: and it's like, WHOA, what's the difference between this guy
Speaker 2: and that guy? Was it just the environment? Is it
Speaker 2: his development of or time? Is it both? It's a
Speaker 2: lot of those things, and the same thing for coaches.
Speaker 2: Just you know, the name I was shocked. You know
Speaker 2: the name I was really shocked that didn't get any
Speaker 2: run in this cycle was Jason Garrett. I mean, talk
Speaker 2: about a guy who's dealt with a circus in Dallas.
Speaker 1: Are you kidding me?
Speaker 2: That's just as tough, if not tougher than New York.
Speaker 2: They're Chicago, the Giants, the Jets, the Cowboys. I mean,
Speaker 2: those are tough places to coach the quarterback to be
Speaker 2: the GM those are some of the toughest places in
Speaker 2: the world. So you know, this guy held him right
Speaker 2: here for a long time, ripped off thirteen wins with
Speaker 2: a rookie quarterback in dak Prescott in twenty sixteen. Like,
Speaker 2: I don't know, that might be somebody i'd want to
Speaker 2: talk to, just saying I'm not like I got no
Speaker 2: dog in the fight here, but somebody who's handled a
Speaker 2: situation similar to the Jets. I don't know.
Speaker 3: Oh, look at you throwing out another name because the
Speaker 3: Jets are gonna cast a way they don't listen long enough.
Speaker 1: Yeah, seriously, sucking the link.
Speaker 3: Is like a CVS or see bro, it's gonna continue
Speaker 3: to grow up.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: We love catching up with you. Many blessings to you
Speaker 3: and the family. Anything you want to anything you want
Speaker 3: to say to your fan base back here in New York.
Speaker 2: Oh, geez, listen. It's always like your first love, you know,
Speaker 2: It's it's We've had some of the most incredible times,
Speaker 2: really difficult times, and that's what made it fun. And
Speaker 2: I appreciate them accepting you know, you know, maybe not
Speaker 2: everybody right away. Gary Vee, you know he bowed me
Speaker 2: on Draft Day and I'll never forget that. Now we've
Speaker 2: since squashed that beef. No, I don't hold grudges. I
Speaker 2: don't even think about it, but he, uh, you know,
Speaker 2: stuff like that. I mean, it's just it's an incredible
Speaker 2: experience playing that place. That's That's one thing I'll say
Speaker 2: for whichever coach GM and quarterback is there. And I
Speaker 2: think Aaron experienced that. He's talked about it. You know
Speaker 2: that this is a special place you can feel there's
Speaker 2: there's energy in that building, in that in that city
Speaker 2: and with that fan base, and you to find a
Speaker 2: way to harness it. It is. It is a special,
Speaker 2: special feeling. I am eternally grateful for the opportunity to
Speaker 2: play there, and that is that has only helped me
Speaker 2: the rest of my entire life, not just professional but
Speaker 2: personal life. And so I'm I love the Jets, and
Speaker 2: you know, I'm obviously yeah, I can't be biased on TV,
Speaker 2: so I got to call it straight. But and I
Speaker 2: hope it doesn't come across like I'm too biased. But
Speaker 2: you know, they're always your first love. They gave me
Speaker 2: my first opportunity in this league.
Speaker 1: Okay, next time in New York, Dinner on me or you.
Speaker 2: On Ovens on Chris Ovans. All right, thanks brother,