Speaker 1: Loud and Quiet presents Midnight Chats.
Speaker 2: Hey everybody, welcome to episode fifty six of Midnight Chats.
Speaker 2: It's been a little while for me on doing these.
Speaker 2: I mean, we've just launched this seventh series of the podcast,
Speaker 2: having taken about a month or two off to record
Speaker 2: these ten we're going to do ten. This is number
Speaker 2: two of the ten. Last week we had Yannis from
Speaker 2: foals On Greg interviewed here. I thought it was extremely
Speaker 2: entertaining and very dry and very droll, and I enjoyed
Speaker 2: that in my interviews this week it's my turn. My
Speaker 2: name is Stuart Stubbs. I am the editor of Loud
Speaker 2: and Quiet magazine and I host half of these podcasts.
Speaker 2: Greg Cochran does the better half. And yeah, it's been
Speaker 2: two months or so since I've done one, so feeling
Speaker 2: a little bit rusty, certainly on the intro part. But
Speaker 2: but yeah, what I mean, the big news for me,
Speaker 2: and I know you're interested, is that in the interim
Speaker 2: I have managed to fracture a vertebrate in my spine
Speaker 2: because I was hit by a motorbike whilst on my pushbike.
Speaker 2: And although I am of course saying that purely for sympathy,
Speaker 2: it's also because it's it's mentioned in passing in this conversation,
Speaker 2: and but we don't talk about it, so that there's
Speaker 2: a there's a there's a moment when my body is
Speaker 2: referred to it's sounding sexy, isn't it. There's a point
Speaker 2: where my body is referred to as on the mend,
Speaker 2: and that is what Jason means. Jason, of course, is
Speaker 2: Jason Williams from Sleaford Mods, who is tonight's guest, and
Speaker 2: we've tagged this as Sleaford Mods. And Jason is only
Speaker 2: half of that duo. Andrew Fern is the other member
Speaker 2: of the group, but Andrew doesn't really do much press.
Speaker 2: It is always Jason. Jason is the spokesperson and that's
Speaker 2: the way they like it. Jason's a very good talker,
Speaker 2: as you're about to hear. I met him a couple
Speaker 2: of years ago when they were about to release English Tapas,
Speaker 2: and we recorded this episode when they were just about
Speaker 2: to release Eton Alive eaton spelt as in the Posh
Speaker 2: School Eton. It's out now, go and check it out.
Speaker 2: It's a great record. I'm guessing you know Sleaford Mods.
Speaker 2: Maybe you've come to this podcast for the first time,
Speaker 2: because it is a Sleaford Mods episode. If you don't
Speaker 2: know them, though, please do hunt them down. They've got
Speaker 2: around almost eleven records out there, some super early ones
Speaker 2: where Jason was doing it on his own, but the
Speaker 2: band really kind of clicked and took off when he
Speaker 2: teamed up with Andrew, who created all of the beats,
Speaker 2: and Jason is the poet, shall we say of the duo.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to try and describe the sound of
Speaker 2: Sleaford Mods, because no I will. I'm going to it's
Speaker 2: rudimentary beats and Jason shouting a lot of the time,
Speaker 2: swearing quite badly about the state of society. So this
Speaker 2: was recorded just before Eating and Live came out, and
Speaker 2: I think from I don't keep up with things once
Speaker 2: they come out very well, but I think it's going
Speaker 2: well by all accounts, I think it's gone down very well.
Speaker 2: We gave it a very good review in Loud and
Speaker 2: Quiet that reviews on our website. If you want to
Speaker 2: read it, it's a real deep dive. It's about fourteen
Speaker 2: hundred words into that record. I think it is a
Speaker 2: very well and review. So this is myself and Jason
Speaker 2: having a very informal conversation recorded at a little earlier
Speaker 2: this year. I hope you enjoy it. Please do subscribe
Speaker 2: if you are coming to us for the first time.
Speaker 2: We've got another eight of these in this series and
Speaker 2: we've got some very good guests coming up. But for now,
Speaker 2: this is Jason Williamson from Sleaford Mods on Midnight Chats
Speaker 2: number sixty five. It would have been two years ago
Speaker 2: that we met.
Speaker 3: It was about the same time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was just before English taps. It was just
Speaker 2: about to come out and we met in that kind
Speaker 2: of the I guess that was like the indie cinema
Speaker 2: of Nottingham, right it was, yeah, the one that it is.
Speaker 3: Yeah it is, yes, good cinema Broadway.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Are you much of a film guy? Yes?
Speaker 1: Uh yeah.
Speaker 3: I love them, But I like trashy films, you know,
Speaker 3: crap films. Okay, I'm not a big artie film person,
Speaker 3: but I do. I do like a good artie film
Speaker 3: if it's if it's put in front of me, I
Speaker 3: will watch it, and generally they are really good. But
Speaker 3: I seek out cheap entertainment mostly or good horror. You
Speaker 3: know what I mean.
Speaker 2: What's what's what constitutes a good like crappy trash film for.
Speaker 3: You, anything with lots of guns in merciless violence, normally
Speaker 3: a dysfunctional detective. You know that kind of thing. You know,
Speaker 3: they're always good good fight scenes, uh, you know, really
Speaker 3: bad villains, sadistic villains and yeah, stuff like things films
Speaker 3: like Face Off, Face Off, fantastic.
Speaker 2: Face Off comes Home because we had backster jury on
Speaker 2: the podcast like last year. Yeah, I don't know how
Speaker 2: we ended up talking about Face Off quite a.
Speaker 3: Bit, okay, And is he a fan of it as well?
Speaker 2: He is a f He was trying to get his
Speaker 2: son to watch it. He was like, sit down, this
Speaker 2: film's on TV. You're gonna love this.
Speaker 3: I can't believe that.
Speaker 2: His son, I think, is about fifty Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: And he was like, this is the ship's film ever, Dad, Yeah,
Speaker 2: because of course it is. If you just see it
Speaker 2: for the first time, now, it's no good at all.
Speaker 3: No, it's it's terrible. It's aged terribly, I think, yeah,
Speaker 3: because it was on TV the other week and it
Speaker 3: has it's really aged badly. Nicholas Cage at times is
Speaker 3: a bit scary, but apart from that, it's pretty bad.
Speaker 3: Johnsh Rolt really bad.
Speaker 2: Have you seen any good trash recently?
Speaker 3: Good trash? I watched the new version of what is it?
Speaker 3: You know, The Deaf Wish with Bruce Willis as Charles Bronson.
Speaker 2: Okay, it was okay, Bruce Willis is playing Charles Bonson. Yeah, okay.
Speaker 2: Have you seen the Tom Hardy one?
Speaker 3: No, which, what's that?
Speaker 2: Just called Bronson?
Speaker 3: I think, oh that's brilliant. Yeah yeah, yeah, that's Tom Hardy.
Speaker 3: But Bronson's the actual the prison guy, isn't it. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm talking about the famous uh you know, you've not
Speaker 3: seen it Deaf Wish with Charles Bronson in You've not
Speaker 3: seen it? That's the seventies thing where you know, his
Speaker 3: wife gets murdered by some intruders. Okay, he goes around,
Speaker 3: you know, basically takes the law into his own house,
Speaker 3: goes out at night shooting villains.
Speaker 2: And they made it with Bruce Willis.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, and it's not actually that bad, to be honest.
Speaker 3: I mean, Bruce Willis is playing his kind of die
Speaker 3: hard character.
Speaker 2: In a bloodstained fair.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know when he shoots the bullet, that expression
Speaker 3: on his face like it's like, oh here we go.
Speaker 3: But yeah, but Bronson with the thing in is brilliant.
Speaker 2: So two years ago we met there and kind of
Speaker 2: straight after that, English Tappers came out and then my
Speaker 2: memory from around that time is watching you on TV
Speaker 2: at Glastonbury when Lord Buckethead introduced you, which was quite
Speaker 2: an inspired thing to come out. And how did that
Speaker 2: come about? Was that your idea?
Speaker 3: He asked us. On the way down there, we got
Speaker 3: a text message from I think it was from his Manager's.
Speaker 2: Got a manager.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I got an email from his manager asking if
Speaker 3: he could come on, and we said yeah, I thought
Speaker 3: it was quite funny. We didn't think it was quite funny.
Speaker 3: And he turned up and he's all right, that's really
Speaker 3: really thank you for let me do this, and he
Speaker 3: went out and just commanded the stage. I thought it
Speaker 3: was quite good. Yeah, it was quite funny.
Speaker 2: I suppose we probably should explain to anyone listening maybe
Speaker 2: from overseas, Lord Buckethead. There's a guy who ran against
Speaker 2: Prime Minister to resume constituency to try and win her
Speaker 2: seat in the election two years ago. And he wears
Speaker 2: a bucket on his head dress like a space mode.
Speaker 2: He's kind of like a budget Darfader, isn't he.
Speaker 3: Yeah, basically.
Speaker 2: But he was very funny and for a short time
Speaker 2: around that time he was quite a star, like an
Speaker 2: internet star here, wasn't he. Yeah? Yeah, And then he
Speaker 2: did that and that was kind of a bit of
Speaker 2: a thing that kind of people were like talking about
Speaker 2: that a lot.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, in the music world especially.
Speaker 3: It was the pictures of him that stood there with
Speaker 3: Uriza May and everyone. It was just the absolute absurdity
Speaker 3: of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he was he dabbed, He got about they
Speaker 2: when they said his like vote cow, which was sixty people. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I remember he dabbed. And there was a great shot
Speaker 2: of Teresa May with him stood in the background. I
Speaker 2: think it was while she was giving her kind of
Speaker 2: winning acceptance, and behind her there was Lord Bucket. There
Speaker 2: was a guy dressed as Elmo as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah there was, Yeah, but he no one.
Speaker 2: Gave him a looking because the guy next, the guy
Speaker 2: with a bucket on his head, became the star. I
Speaker 2: guess it was more it was.
Speaker 3: More funnier, I think, yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's during moments like that when I am really
Speaker 2: proud to be British. The British sense of humor really
Speaker 2: really it really does something, isn't it.
Speaker 3: We just made the idea of politics so absurd. And
Speaker 3: it just when I saw that and the way Tresmay
Speaker 3: was just stood there trying to be polite, and I
Speaker 3: just thought, this is it. It's just so absurd. This
Speaker 3: is our country. This is the system. You know, the
Speaker 3: system allows this, you know what I mean, it can't
Speaker 3: stop this. You know.
Speaker 2: How was that Glastonbury show? From what you remember, you
Speaker 2: played You're on the park stage.
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, I didn't enjoy it much. It was
Speaker 3: all right. I mean there were more people there than
Speaker 3: the last time we played, but last time we played
Speaker 3: was better. I think I'm not sure if the performance
Speaker 3: was great. Were you in the tent before, yes, And
Speaker 3: I was really nervous this time around. I don't know why,
Speaker 3: because we've done tons of gigs running up to it,
Speaker 3: so I was, you know, we were well oiled, but
Speaker 3: I just halfway through the gig, I lost it. I
Speaker 3: didn't feel connected to it. I didn't think it was
Speaker 3: and I started thinking that I'm not enjoying this. You know.
Speaker 3: I think we carried it off. It was all right, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I just on TV. I just didn't think. I just
Speaker 3: didn't enjoy the rest of it. To be honest, but
Speaker 3: saying that, you know, we got a good response, and
Speaker 3: you know that's the name of the game, isn't it.
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, exactly. It was great. I think it
Speaker 2: was great to be watching that at home on TV. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was just great in and of itself. I think,
Speaker 2: you know, just to see sleeferd Mods on the BBC, Yeah,
Speaker 2: and introduced by a man with a bucket on his heage,
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Then going on to do your thing was quite you
Speaker 2: know those things when they happen on TV, you kind
Speaker 2: of feel like you're this little thing is infiltrating the
Speaker 2: wider world a bit. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely dream come true. Really, you know, everyone wants
Speaker 3: to play at Glass, be on the TV with it,
Speaker 3: and to not only play there, but to play in
Speaker 3: front of a big crowd. You know, it's a dream
Speaker 3: come true. But you know the reality of these things is,
Speaker 3: you know, sometimes you just don't enjoy it, or it
Speaker 3: doesn't it doesn't turn out to be the thing that
Speaker 3: you thought it would be.
Speaker 2: Is Glastonbury good to do as a as a performer,
Speaker 2: as an artist.
Speaker 3: Yeah it is, Yeah, it is, because it's essential really,
Speaker 3: because it's you know, it's kind of the only festival. Well,
Speaker 3: it's not the only festival that films it, but if
Speaker 3: you do Glastonbury then you're going to be on TV.
Speaker 3: You're on the BBC, you know. So it's just as
Speaker 3: good as getting on Jewels Olen really, and everyone wants
Speaker 3: to try and get on Jewels Olen because it's the
Speaker 3: only TV you know. Have you done that? Yes?
Speaker 2: Yeh.
Speaker 3: So and they won't let us back on because they
Speaker 3: only let you go on once really, unless of course
Speaker 3: you're a massive big name yeah or hugely popular you
Speaker 3: know or whatever. So so yeah, there's only that, and
Speaker 3: then there's the soccer. Am I think they.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, have you done that?
Speaker 3: No, because we're not in football, And I don't know
Speaker 3: if you have to have some connection to football, but I.
Speaker 2: Think you probably have to. Yeah, you know, probably too.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Did you see Richard Ashcraft on it last year?
Speaker 3: Oh? It was pretty bad?
Speaker 2: Wondering it It was bad, but it wasn't It wasn't as
Speaker 2: bad as him on BBC Breakfast.
Speaker 3: Oh that was really bad.
Speaker 2: That was I was showing a friend of mine that
Speaker 2: at Christmas. He hadn't seen it. He's a big he
Speaker 2: was a big fan of the Verve back in the day. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he had to ask me to stop showing him.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was destroying his childhood hero.
Speaker 3: You know. Yeah, it was really bad. I mean yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean because he was kind of laid down, wasn't he?
Speaker 3: And yeah, I'm a rock star and all this, and
Speaker 3: I don't know, you know, I thought, well, if he
Speaker 3: wants to be like that, let him be like that.
Speaker 3: But I think overall it wasn't good. It didn't look good.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you looked just to look a
Speaker 3: bit desperate in it, and well, I don't know if
Speaker 3: desperate is the right word. It just looked crap.
Speaker 2: That's the that's the best way to describe it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think that's right. When you go on like Jewels,
Speaker 2: do they have any issue with your lyrical content the
Speaker 2: language of your song?
Speaker 3: They know, well, they sort of said, look you I said,
Speaker 3: you know, we said we want to do Job Seeker,
Speaker 3: and the single at the time, which was no One's
Speaker 3: Bothered and there was no swearing in no One's bothered,
Speaker 3: so that was fine. A Job Seeker had loads of
Speaker 3: it in. But we wanted to do Job Seeker and
Speaker 3: they said yes, which surprised us. But we had to
Speaker 3: do it after the is It the Watershed and the
Speaker 3: nine o'clock thing, so we had to do it after that,
Speaker 3: which we did and it went down a storm. You know,
Speaker 3: it's a real and he put it in his top
Speaker 3: ten of all time favorite bands on there, which I
Speaker 3: thought was quite something.
Speaker 2: Maybe you will get invite it back, do know, be nice?
Speaker 2: You are probably one of the few bands that can
Speaker 2: go on that show in it and be safe that
Speaker 2: Jewels won't do some boogie woogie piano over your music.
Speaker 3: No, I don't think he would.
Speaker 2: I mean I couldn't imagine that collaboration.
Speaker 3: No, I mean he probably I probably think I'm going
Speaker 3: to try this because it might be a challenge, but
Speaker 3: I don't know. I can't see that happening, to be honest.
Speaker 2: Yeah. One thing I always think about those kind of
Speaker 2: big TV performances, whether it's Glastonbury or Jewels anything, is
Speaker 2: do you notice like the power of them, like in
Speaker 2: the sense of once you did Glastonbury, did you do
Speaker 2: you notice how many people start, you know, following your
Speaker 2: social channels or streaming your music records? Is there like
Speaker 2: a noticeable spike there is?
Speaker 3: I mean back then it was Twitter, I mean Instagram
Speaker 3: was still in its early stages, right, But Twitter back
Speaker 3: then you just noticed and obviously on Facebook as well,
Speaker 3: but yeah, mainly Twitter, it kind of lit up, especially
Speaker 3: as it was in the top five of the most
Speaker 3: watch right or something. We were just below is it
Speaker 3: del Alama? It's just fantastic and then it was us
Speaker 3: So so yeah, you do notice the difference.
Speaker 2: Yeah, looking back, how how did English Tapas go for you?
Speaker 2: It looked like it went very well.
Speaker 3: It was good. It was the best album today, you know,
Speaker 3: sales wise and reach sh it. Yeah, we really did
Speaker 3: well with it. You know, it was a popular album
Speaker 3: and you know, we were worried that it will get criticized.
Speaker 3: I mean I thought it was strong, but it went
Speaker 3: down well with critically as well.
Speaker 2: You know, I remember saying that like at the time,
Speaker 2: like you weren't sure how it was going to go
Speaker 2: because you were fully prepared to accept that key markets
Speaker 2: had been would be well that's the peak.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting to say that.
Speaker 2: It's interesting. Yeah, you're like, well that's we've kind of
Speaker 2: done that now, so where wh where is there to go?
Speaker 3: You know, well it turned out wrong, didn't that? You
Speaker 3: know what I mean? English tap has became a commercial
Speaker 3: breakthrough almost whereas I thought before Key Markis and Dividing
Speaker 3: Exit were breakthroughs, but perhaps breakthroughs in the sense of awareness,
Speaker 3: you know, growing awareness. But I think in English Tap
Speaker 3: has but brought us into a whole new arena, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean.
Speaker 2: And how then do you feel about the forthcoming record
Speaker 2: Eating Alive Again?
Speaker 3: I'd say the same thing. I'm going to say the
Speaker 3: same thing that perhaps we've reached a peak, but I.
Speaker 2: Don't know you've improved wrong before now I have, thank.
Speaker 3: You, it's still growing, you know, and I think, I
Speaker 3: don't know. I worry that because we've left Rough Trade
Speaker 3: in the infrastructure, that perhaps this album won't get seen
Speaker 3: by as many people. But you know, I think we've
Speaker 3: got a campaign up to scratch really in the UK
Speaker 3: and to a certain degree in Europe, although Rough Trade
Speaker 3: were great with the local radio stations and stuff. And
Speaker 3: I'm not sure if we've managed to infiltrate those ends
Speaker 3: of the branches, you know. But but yeah, I'm hoping
Speaker 3: it will, you know, maintain our position and you know
Speaker 3: we were allowed to carry on doing it, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean. Yeah, I don't want it to drop
Speaker 3: because I don't think it should. The record's really strong.
Speaker 3: It's still it's still up there, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: There's not a lot that can match it in my opinion. Still,
Speaker 3: so so yeah, there's no reason why we can't hang
Speaker 3: around for a while longer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, sure so And as you say, you've left
Speaker 2: rough trade, Yes, set up on your own huh. And
Speaker 2: the label it's got a great name, Extreme Eating. Yeah,
Speaker 2: where did that? Where did that come from?
Speaker 3: Well, it's just a private joke for me and Andrew,
Speaker 3: you know, we we had We was on flying somewhere
Speaker 3: one day and just talking about you know at night
Speaker 3: where you can't be bothered to fix on it to
Speaker 3: eat and you're right, you just go to the fridge
Speaker 3: with a spoon and just get some a spoon of
Speaker 3: marmite or a spoon of tomatoes. It was like extreme
Speaker 3: in it, like extream eating, isn't it. And we were
Speaker 3: just laughing about that. So that's where that came from.
Speaker 2: It's a great name, yeah it is. Have you got
Speaker 2: have you got a logo a company label logo?
Speaker 3: Yes we have. And it's just a teaspoon with whatever
Speaker 3: condoment on top of it, you know.
Speaker 2: Ok. So, so yeah, so with extreme eating and you
Speaker 2: enjoying that. Are you enjoying the We spoke about a
Speaker 2: little bit before, just before we started recording, but having
Speaker 2: a label you and Andrew just doing everything, Yeah, that's
Speaker 2: the that's the thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, to a certain degree, we got just we're working
Speaker 3: with Cargo Record and they're doing the distribution and they've
Speaker 3: been brilliant. Alongside that, we unfortunately party company with our manager.
Speaker 3: So at the minute, my wife Claire is overlooking that
Speaker 3: side of things. Obviously we've bought in all the pr
Speaker 3: and marketing and stuff through Clear and Yes, so between
Speaker 3: all of those people, the you know, the campaign's going.
Speaker 3: You know, you don't see you forget how the reason
Speaker 3: why labels are so prominent on the landscape, you know,
Speaker 3: is because they have got that there the infrastructure, and
Speaker 3: they've got the the connections and the know how. And
Speaker 3: then this is how you you know, you pedal up
Speaker 3: interesting albums, you know what I mean. We're not a
Speaker 3: buzz band anymore, so you know, you have to to
Speaker 3: a certain degree your take your music to people. People
Speaker 3: don't necessarily come to you anymore, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: But at the same time, I suppose sleep and mods
Speaker 2: have got this fan base that is from the outside,
Speaker 2: at least looking in, it looks really dedicated and big,
Speaker 2: pretty big, like you know, you play big shows, play
Speaker 2: like the Roundhouse. Yeah, and there's something in that now.
Speaker 2: I think with you guys that you can imagine that
Speaker 2: they're going to buy your record, Like, regardless of who's
Speaker 2: releasing it, they're going to know they're going to come
Speaker 2: and see your show. They know, they follow channels and
Speaker 2: all that stuff. So I don't see. I think it's
Speaker 2: going to work. I've got a good feeling.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it will. You know, I definitely did.
Speaker 3: I didn't a few, you know, a month ago, but
Speaker 3: we now. I feel really confident about it. And it's
Speaker 3: been a learning curve for all of us, as you know.
Speaker 3: And I know it sounds probably to people listening like
Speaker 3: just a bit shut up, but this is our it
Speaker 3: is you know, in professional bands, it's like when you
Speaker 3: get to a point you work hard to get your
Speaker 3: band to a certain level, and you know, there's no
Speaker 3: reason why we shouldn't stay at that level. The music's
Speaker 3: not crap. You know, we haven't turned into wankers. There
Speaker 3: is no reason why we shouldn't. So I'm not going
Speaker 3: to let that drop, you know what I mean, No
Speaker 3: way had.
Speaker 2: A question on extreme eating generally speaking to you. I
Speaker 2: say this as we're eating sweet potato fries, so it
Speaker 2: kind of answers my question. Are you a healthy eater?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Sort of. I mean I still eat red meat,
Speaker 3: still eat chips, fried stuff, but I don't drink or
Speaker 3: take drugs anymore so, and I exercise every day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you go to the gym, right, Yeah, so I
Speaker 2: joined a gym last year despite this figure that you
Speaker 2: see sat beside you.
Speaker 3: Well, it's one that's on the men, which is important.
Speaker 2: That's true. Yeah. Yeah, I'm injured, but I'm struggling to
Speaker 2: get into gym. We've got. There's a really kind of
Speaker 2: box stand a gym next to our office, and it's
Speaker 2: really cheap. It's like nineteen quid a month. And I
Speaker 2: joined maybe this time last year, and I was trying
Speaker 2: to get into it. But I think my problem is
Speaker 2: I don't know what the fuck I'm doing in there.
Speaker 2: No one's told me what any of the stuff does?
Speaker 2: You know? And I feel I might need some of that.
Speaker 2: I don't know how many times to do a rep.
Speaker 2: I don't know any of it.
Speaker 3: I think, what have I got personal trainer? Okay, I
Speaker 3: know it's quite expensive, but you know, when the band
Speaker 3: took off, I had a bit more money, so I
Speaker 3: was able to it might be worth trying to do that.
Speaker 3: I think you're looking at probably fifty quid an hour,
Speaker 3: probably forty quid an hour. But what you learn is invaluable,
Speaker 3: you know, I'll show you how to use things. Two
Speaker 3: or three, four sessions with one in your way, I reckon.
Speaker 3: I had one for like a year, and then after
Speaker 3: that I just broke away and then did my own thing.
Speaker 2: So do you go to the gym every day most days?
Speaker 3: Yeah, if the kids aren't, if it's not too much
Speaker 3: cashle yeah, you know, if the kids are at home
Speaker 3: and they are sort of you know, it's too much
Speaker 3: for clear on our own. Sometimes it would be too
Speaker 3: much for me on my own, you know. So so
Speaker 3: you don't tend to go on days like that, but generally, yeah,
Speaker 3: try and go every day.
Speaker 2: You kind of need to be as healthy as you
Speaker 2: can when you're not touring, because when you're touring it's
Speaker 2: really easy to be unhealthy. I imagine.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm proper sort of military on tour, just gig
Speaker 3: back to the hotel gym the next day if there's
Speaker 3: one in town.
Speaker 2: All right, So he's stay in shape. Yeah, on the road.
Speaker 3: I don't go mad because obviously the gig takes a
Speaker 3: lot out of you. But obviously without drinking, not doing
Speaker 3: drugs anymore, it's that weights off your shoulders, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean. You haven't got a hangover, you focus,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. It's still very tired. I mean,
Speaker 3: I'm nearly fifty, you know what I mean. But then again,
Speaker 3: when I was twenty. It takes it out of you,
Speaker 3: you know. But I find that if I stick to that,
Speaker 3: I'm fine. But I'm obviously conscious that you've got to
Speaker 3: communicate with people and see people. Yeah, but you know,
Speaker 3: if you can balance it, you're all right.
Speaker 2: I remember when we when we last met, someone came
Speaker 2: over whilst maybe whilst we were leaving, whilst we were
Speaker 2: going to do photos, just some just some guy. He
Speaker 2: didn't know you, but you just wanted to stay hi.
Speaker 2: You recognized him, and we were talking about, you know,
Speaker 2: people recognizing you and spotting you more, especially back home
Speaker 2: because of your songs and what you're singing. Do you
Speaker 2: find that people want to moan to you. The reason
Speaker 2: I say this I was listening to a podcast with
Speaker 2: Stuart Lee the other day and he was saying how
Speaker 2: a cabby was like slagging off John Bishop to him,
Speaker 2: presumably because you know, Stuart Lee's got this whole thing
Speaker 2: about like he slags off all those comedians, including John Bishop.
Speaker 2: But so he thought it was totally fine to slag
Speaker 2: John vishuall and surely got quite annoyed with this cabby
Speaker 2: and was actually sticking up for really sticking up for
Speaker 2: John and Bishop and be like, how dare you how
Speaker 2: dare you have a guy you don't know John Bishop?
Speaker 2: He's actually really good. But this guy had seen this
Speaker 2: persona on stage, you know, and thought, I know what
Speaker 2: I can talk to him about, which he will. You know,
Speaker 2: we can start up a conversation. Is I hate John Bishop?
Speaker 2: I know he does. So we're bond over this. Do
Speaker 2: you have a similar thing. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Back in the day before give up boos and everything,
Speaker 3: people would yeah, you know, ship in it when I
Speaker 3: was out for three days mate, proper. You know, Now
Speaker 3: it's like nobody's you don't get that much. You get
Speaker 3: the old work thing. Sometimes we're like job ship mate, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't know if I'm gonna I'm gonna stick it
Speaker 3: to the bosh, you know, all right, okay, cool, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: good for you mate.
Speaker 2: Not too much, okay, they don't tend to People don't
Speaker 2: have this kind of misconceived idea of of the person
Speaker 2: you are through your music.
Speaker 3: Sometimes not too much though, because I don't think I
Speaker 3: do anywhere. I don't bring over any kind of you know, character,
Speaker 3: I suppose interviews. Yeah, he's just normal.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because there are some people like I imagine, like
Speaker 2: Liam Gallagher who get it all the time. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: like people see Liam Gallagher and if they're a fan,
Speaker 2: they think I'm going to talk to Liam Gallagher about
Speaker 2: the Beatles, yeah, or what you know, yeah, or the
Speaker 2: cliche things that you think he would like.
Speaker 3: And yeah, you don't really know him, do you, Liam Gallagher,
Speaker 3: You're still a bit of an enigma.
Speaker 2: And have you ever met him?
Speaker 3: No? No, Yeah, I can imagine people going to May
Speaker 3: acting or Laddie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he obviously.
Speaker 3: Is like that.
Speaker 2: But yeah, if not, it's a very method performance.
Speaker 3: Oh god, yeah, you get drawn and quarter oh hello. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but no, not too many, you know. If anything, people
Speaker 3: are quite respectful and love your music mate, and and yes,
Speaker 3: so elo to Andrew for you know, I think people
Speaker 3: feel a closeness to it, the ones that like it anyway. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: and that definitely comes through when people meet you.
Speaker 2: Do you still get much hit on Twitter?
Speaker 3: Oh? God?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's where that's where everyone is. Yes, still stick
Speaker 2: in the stick in the boot in.
Speaker 3: Instagram is bad for it as well, but not as
Speaker 3: bad as Twitter.
Speaker 2: Are you?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Instagram is kind of a much friendlier kind of social platform.
Speaker 3: Is you still get them? Leaving Snyder comments on the Okay, the.
Speaker 2: Twitter thing's funny, isn't it. Like I wonder where that's going.
Speaker 2: I wonder if, like people are, if if the sane
Speaker 2: world will just dessert Twitter eventually and it'll just be
Speaker 2: I think, of course it will left her in.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think it's lasted longer than my Space, hasn't it.
Speaker 3: But I think, you know, Instagram is now the is
Speaker 3: considered be the thing in you know, if you're promoting yourself,
Speaker 3: then Instagram's the one really. But you know what I
Speaker 3: find on Twitter is middle aged people that are not
Speaker 3: willing to let go of Twitter, you know, and they
Speaker 3: form all kinds of you know, you can't get a
Speaker 3: group thing on Twitter like you can on WhatsApp. But
Speaker 3: you'll find that various people will have the usual people
Speaker 3: commenting on stuff that they post, and there'll be the
Speaker 3: usual people that come in on discussions, you know, and
Speaker 3: the usual people that support them in whatever views they've got.
Speaker 3: They'll all collectively attack somebody that don't like, you know.
Speaker 2: So do you recognize certain people? It's this person again,
Speaker 2: he's got a problem with X, Y and Z. No,
Speaker 2: you don't have known trolls. I guess they would be,
Speaker 2: wouldn't they.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the known trolls, there's probably one or two, but
Speaker 3: they come back every four or five months. If they're
Speaker 3: really bad, I just block them because I can't be
Speaker 3: asked with it. Ye, But you'll get occasionally. If you don't,
Speaker 3: I don't reply to them anymore. Try not to anyway.
Speaker 3: But the ones you don't reply to will come back occasional,
Speaker 3: and just keep trying the weirs, you know what.
Speaker 2: I mean, because they want the response.
Speaker 3: Rise, you know, because that's all they've got. And oh god, yeah,
Speaker 3: some terrible ones, terrible ones where people were just like,
Speaker 3: you need to seriously think about it yourself here, mate,
Speaker 3: I mean, I used to troll people back in the
Speaker 3: day before. See if we got big and Twitter was
Speaker 3: great for It's like I can directly insult you. I
Speaker 3: don't like you, I don't like your music. But you know,
Speaker 3: some of them are like dark you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: It's like dark thoughts beliefs. Obviously, the whole Brexit thing
Speaker 3: political situation, the divide between the leave and the remainer
Speaker 3: and what that, what that has brought on, you know,
Speaker 3: particularly with a lot of Leave voters who were you know,
Speaker 3: you know, I don't mean to generalize here, and I'm
Speaker 3: sorry if anyone's listening to devote Leave that is reasonably
Speaker 3: you know, well well adjusted. But some of it, most
Speaker 3: of them are just fucking idiots. They come on, they're like, mate,
Speaker 3: what you're doing. Beliefs are just all over the place.
Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, it's it's a it's a haven for
Speaker 3: it's a cess pit for it.
Speaker 2: Are you pretty thick skinned generally speaking?
Speaker 3: No, I've tried to get a thick skin. I remember
Speaker 3: trolling the guy out of Franz Ferdinand, the singer and
Speaker 3: when was this like long, this was just as we
Speaker 3: were coming up Divide an Exit had been released actually,
Speaker 3: and I remember trolling the guy at were I just
Speaker 3: written somewhere and I went, you know, it was about
Speaker 3: you know, a song or something. I went, what would
Speaker 3: you know about music or something? And he just totally
Speaker 3: cut me down. He came straight back at me because
Speaker 3: I actually like your music. What are you you know it?
Speaker 3: Basically just cut me down and said, look, you need
Speaker 3: to get a thicker skin if you're going to do this,
Speaker 3: because this is going to get worse for you. You know,
Speaker 3: your music's really good.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, cheers, how are you with reviews? Then?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do worry about them. I know that the
Speaker 3: album's really strong, so that'll be fine. The creativity part
Speaker 3: of it's intact, But that doesn't matter in this game,
Speaker 3: does it, because somebody might just have a slant on it,
Speaker 3: just take a slant on it because they don't like
Speaker 3: the band, they don't like me. I mean, I've had
Speaker 3: something in the past where people have blatantly rubbished something
Speaker 3: that you know, it's not worth it doesn't deserve rubbishing,
Speaker 3: and just I suspect to try and push themselves along,
Speaker 3: you know. But but yeah, you do worry about bad
Speaker 3: reviews because they do speak volumes to the onlooker as well,
Speaker 3: because people are fickle, you know what I mean, people
Speaker 3: will digest something, so yeah, but you know, what can
Speaker 3: you do?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of about your control, isn't it in
Speaker 2: terms of like the thing of people coming up to
Speaker 2: you and talking to you in the street and saying
Speaker 2: hi and whatnot, and also the kind of crap that
Speaker 2: people might give you online. Is that On the new album,
Speaker 2: there's the track when You Come up to Me, Yeah,
Speaker 2: which is about that, right.
Speaker 3: No, it's about solitary. It's about this. It's about how
Speaker 3: I perceive existence in the country at the minute to
Speaker 3: be even more intensely separated from each other. You know,
Speaker 3: people are you know, people seem to be there's quite
Speaker 3: a lot of distance between people, even between people that
Speaker 3: are supposedly close. You know. I've started to notice this,
Speaker 3: and it kind of talks about that kind of thing.
Speaker 3: How the effects of these policies is from the Conservatives
Speaker 3: have slowly, you know, degenerated the contact between people because
Speaker 3: people are you know, quite busy worrying about themselves, worrying
Speaker 3: about what's going to happen post March, and just the
Speaker 3: pressures that are on top of people, not only in
Speaker 3: a professional sense, but also in an unskilled sense because
Speaker 3: there's just nothing about you know, so it it caught me.
Speaker 3: It struck me that this was quite a prevalent thing.
Speaker 3: And also, you know, people coming into your personal space
Speaker 3: that you trying to open. Making sense here that you
Speaker 3: that you know and will accept into your personal space,
Speaker 3: but most of the time you don't want any when
Speaker 3: anyone near you. You know, it talks about this feeling
Speaker 3: of you know, a four isolation almost as well, you know,
Speaker 3: if that makes sense.
Speaker 2: And you're properly singing on that track as yeah, and
Speaker 2: in fire War as well, he sing yeah, it's good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you, thank you, thank you. I used to
Speaker 3: sing before, but obviously Sleaford took off and I was
Speaker 3: obsessed with the ranting thing and blah blah blah. But
Speaker 3: I started listening to more eighties soul, Luther Van Ross
Speaker 3: and Charelle Shaka Khan and just getting into not purpose
Speaker 3: he wanted to sing, but when Andrew would send certain
Speaker 3: songs over, it was just, oh, this is this is
Speaker 3: really melodic. Yeah, so I wanted to try and do
Speaker 3: something like that and also lock it. Why not, you know,
Speaker 3: I thought it was quite good to try and merge
Speaker 3: some eighties soul. Yeah, although it doesn't sound like that,
Speaker 3: I don't think on the album. I mean that's the
Speaker 3: way I'll try to approach it, try to merge that
Speaker 3: with what we do.
Speaker 2: You know, what was the and for Eating a Life?
Speaker 2: Did you have like a kind of goal for it?
Speaker 2: How did you approach making.
Speaker 3: It one in a goal? Really? Just we started recording
Speaker 3: again in January last year and that resulted in the
Speaker 3: EP that we did on Rough Trade Sleep for Mods
Speaker 3: EP YEP, and then from that, Andrew after about two
Speaker 3: or three months, sent me through so started sending me
Speaker 3: more stuff, and that stuff made up the album. But
Speaker 3: what we did with both the EP and this album
Speaker 3: is I'd get him to send me stuff through and
Speaker 3: I will work on it at home, and I would
Speaker 3: wait until I've had a really firm idea for it.
Speaker 3: Instead of just getting say a short melody for this
Speaker 3: or that and then going in the studio and improvising
Speaker 3: the rest, I'd really work on them, you know. And
Speaker 3: that's I suppose that's where the singer came in a lot,
Speaker 3: because I just felt like I had time to experiment
Speaker 3: and you know, time to think about the songs. Didn't
Speaker 3: necessarily consciously want to push it forwards. It just happened
Speaker 3: sort of naturally, but obviously at the same time I
Speaker 3: was aware that, you know, I don't want to repeat myself,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean? Vocally Anyway, and Andrew's music
Speaker 3: was common, it was getting more confident, it was stronger.
Speaker 3: This compared to English tap, I think the music and
Speaker 3: this is a lot tougher.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's more dimension it feels like it's really it's
Speaker 2: really progressed. Like the beats. There's a lot more going
Speaker 2: on in some of them on like like bab Spiders
Speaker 2: and subtraction. Subtraction's got like extra elements that weren't there before. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it has got a different feel, like the whole record
Speaker 2: I think got a different feel. Yeah, it's really great.
Speaker 2: How is Andrew doing. Is he still living on a
Speaker 2: narrow boat?
Speaker 3: No, he left the narrowboat sold all and he was
Speaker 3: in a relationship. Relationship finished, and he took time out too,
Speaker 3: you know, just to take stock, I think. And he
Speaker 3: moved back to his parents' house in Saxelby in Lincoln
Speaker 3: So I think that partly helped the the change in
Speaker 3: the texture of the music. You know what I mean
Speaker 3: in the you know, in what he did, because it
Speaker 3: just seemed to be a lot more alert the music
Speaker 3: when he sent it through, it was like whoall you know?
Speaker 3: And so it made me want to do different things
Speaker 3: to it. Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: And what's your plan going into like your shows? Because
Speaker 2: what I've always liked is the sleeper Board's kind of
Speaker 2: experiment of seeing how far you can push the setup
Speaker 2: that you've got and not wanting to like fuck with that,
Speaker 2: and so if we can, it's two of us. I
Speaker 2: remember you're saying before that you you've not even wanted
Speaker 2: to have a backdrop behind you once you got to
Speaker 2: level where people were like do you want to have
Speaker 2: your name written in big letters? You're like, no, don't
Speaker 2: want that.
Speaker 3: It takes away from it because we had it at
Speaker 3: a festival in Leeds and it just I just thought
Speaker 3: it made us merged is into everything else. And I'm
Speaker 3: not saying that, you know, oh we're just you know,
Speaker 3: you are just you lowly creatures and majestic band. I'm
Speaker 3: not saying that, but I just don't. I just don't
Speaker 3: like it, you know, I don't think you need it.
Speaker 3: Some bands need it, and it works for other bands,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, But I don't think it
Speaker 3: works for us. I just think it looks a little bit.
Speaker 3: Everyone's at it with a backdrop, everyone's at the kind
Speaker 3: of black backdrop with the white letters as well, and
Speaker 3: it just didn't want it. I don't think it. I
Speaker 3: don't think we need it.
Speaker 2: You know about some pyrotechnics glitter cannon.
Speaker 3: Well, we are thinking, funny, we're thinking about getting a
Speaker 3: lighting thing going.
Speaker 2: Okay, right, I know what you mean. Though. I like
Speaker 2: the fact that I like the fact that that when
Speaker 2: you play the Roundhouse, for example, you're still playing it
Speaker 2: as if you were playing upstairs the pub.
Speaker 3: Yea.
Speaker 2: That there's something to that. There's something that.
Speaker 3: Forces you to look at what's actually going on as
Speaker 3: opposed to what is alluding to going on. And I
Speaker 3: think that's why we like it. It's suit some music
Speaker 3: I think to have it like that. But yeah, we
Speaker 3: are perhaps thinking about a lighting idea which could work,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. I'm all for ideas as
Speaker 3: this goes on, because you never know stuff that you
Speaker 3: would do, stuff that you would No, I'm not into that,
Speaker 3: you know, could work, But as regards getting anybody else
Speaker 3: in with us. No getting another producer, no, you know,
Speaker 3: a backdrop, Nope, but you know, little things like lighting
Speaker 3: and that it could work.
Speaker 2: Another thing that's happened since English tabers came out was
Speaker 2: you've played When Stadium. Yeah, with you know, along those
Speaker 2: lines of how does your show quote unquote unquote translate
Speaker 2: on a bigger stage? I mean, Wembley Stadium is as
Speaker 2: big a stage as there's ever going to be ever
Speaker 2: for anyone. How was it? How was how was that
Speaker 2: experience of going and playing Wembley.
Speaker 3: I was brilliant and we thought we had it nailed
Speaker 3: until we walked on stage and it was just I
Speaker 3: mean Wembley Stadium. Wow. Yeah, it was a massive stage
Speaker 3: and I think there was about seven thousand people watching us.
Speaker 3: It was. It was quite something. I was nervous, really
Speaker 3: was nervous, but it worked.
Speaker 2: It.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we went down okay, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I was quite really quite proud of that and obviously
Speaker 3: supporting one of the best English bands ever in my opinion. Anyway,
Speaker 3: you know, just brilliant and it was the original lineup
Speaker 3: as well, and it's just fantastic.
Speaker 2: On your tour, that's that's coming up. You're playing my
Speaker 2: home town on South End on Sea. Oh really have
Speaker 2: you been before?
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't think I have.
Speaker 2: You're in for a absolute tree. Really, it's you're doing
Speaker 2: some really interesting like towns like down there. I like
Speaker 2: looking at I like what like when when bands I
Speaker 2: follow like put out that tour dates. I like to
Speaker 2: see the regional dates. Yeah, like, because they're always the
Speaker 2: better ones to go to if you can, you know,
Speaker 2: be in London, you know, you get We.
Speaker 3: Thought that because we don't really sell places out once
Speaker 3: you get past thirteen hundred. It's a slow escalation in
Speaker 3: ticket sales for us, you know what I mean with
Speaker 3: places like London. You know, two thousand and three thousand
Speaker 3: we could get away with if we just did one gig,
Speaker 3: but generally what we found on these tours was anything
Speaker 3: two thousand we were struggling to sell out. So we
Speaker 3: just sort of sold this, let's just go back play
Speaker 3: what we did three or four years ago, and you know,
Speaker 3: take it around the country and go back to some
Speaker 3: of these smaller places again, you know, because it'll be
Speaker 3: a laugh and and we thought it would be something
Speaker 3: that we could tie in with the departure from the
Speaker 3: EU in the sense of just seeing how it was,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, because the odd tour. Will you'll be mid tour,
Speaker 2: won't you when when it happens? When it happens on
Speaker 2: the twenty ninth? Yeah, what is your Do you know
Speaker 2: what your date is on the twenty nine? I don't know.
Speaker 2: I think so there might have voted leave. I think
Speaker 2: I think they were. I think I think it was
Speaker 2: maybe fifty forty leave small sixty forty even, I think.
Speaker 2: But I think you'll have a good show there. It's
Speaker 2: quite a good it's a venue on the seafront, Yeah,
Speaker 2: and it's it's a good size.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean I'm not expecting any grief at all. And
Speaker 3: I don't think for one minute the country is going
Speaker 3: to just explode, you know what I mean, just not
Speaker 3: We're just going to get on with it like we
Speaker 3: get on with anything, and just moan about it when
Speaker 3: you go out into a smaller thing, because we're quite
Speaker 3: perceived as a quite a big band now, I think
Speaker 3: it'd be quite special to go out to smaller places
Speaker 3: and people think will really appreciate it. They appreciated it
Speaker 3: before three years ago, you know, So that's a buzz,
Speaker 3: and we're going to go around all record shops doing
Speaker 3: signings and meet and gets, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: instelling the old usual playloads of rough trade in stores
Speaker 3: to try and you know, charge every make sure everybody
Speaker 3: buys an album to get in so it ups the
Speaker 3: chart placement, which is good. You know, I really would
Speaker 3: like a top ten this time, but I can't see
Speaker 3: it happening, to be honest, because of because we haven't
Speaker 3: done that much of that kind of thing for it,
Speaker 3: you know. But yeah, it should be good, you know,
Speaker 3: And I like to I like gig in, you know,
Speaker 3: because it just moves the performance on and the amount
Speaker 3: of shows that we've got by the end of that,
Speaker 3: or the performance would have moved on a bit, it would.
Speaker 3: I will. We will be well oiled for the festival season,
Speaker 3: you know. And you know I love all that you
Speaker 3: know going on there and bang bang bang. You know,
Speaker 3: it's it's great.
Speaker 2: I know you listen to a lot of new music,
Speaker 2: yeah a lot of the time. Have you had anything
Speaker 2: recently that's worth mentioning? Tipping me about.
Speaker 3: Viagra boys, I think that you know a lot of
Speaker 3: people are starting to become aware of them, but not
Speaker 3: normally my thing because guitar stuff I'm not, but it works.
Speaker 3: You know, they really I've got something.
Speaker 2: They look like they mean it.
Speaker 3: You know, I'm not just talking about the booze or
Speaker 3: the drugs. They just look like it's them, you know,
Speaker 3: because a lot of bands today, especially in this country,
Speaker 3: you know, without mentioning names, just do not look like
Speaker 3: they're attached to what they're trying to do, you know,
Speaker 3: and it's you know, it's a bit. It's not disheartening,
Speaker 3: but it just puts me off checking out, you know,
Speaker 3: white band with guitars, you know what I mean. But
Speaker 3: apart from that, Drill really and what else my obsession
Speaker 3: with eighties soul, I go, I go back in, I
Speaker 3: come out of Drill and go back into it because
Speaker 3: it's so intense and dark, you can only have small
Speaker 3: periods on it. But those small periods are really you know,
Speaker 3: you really do get a lot from it, a real
Speaker 3: beneficial Aside from that one else, been listening to Drake
Speaker 3: a lot.
Speaker 2: Just I went to see Drake at the two. It
Speaker 2: was hilarious. It was so good and entertaining, but so
Speaker 2: naff because it was it was when he released the Views.
Speaker 2: It was the last time, and it was it was
Speaker 2: like seeing a red coat, like he was like the
Speaker 2: way he was whipping the crowd up. Because also everyone
Speaker 2: was there, like everyone was like in awe of him,
Speaker 2: men and women everywhere and they were cheer anything, you know,
Speaker 2: And he came out with our union Jack Drake round
Speaker 2: him and considering, like, you know, considering that record is
Speaker 2: so clearly about Toronto, like on the sleeve he sat
Speaker 2: on top of it, on your or whatever. And he
Speaker 2: comes out, He's like, hey, London, when I wrote this album,
Speaker 2: I was thinking of oh you guys, and everyone's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: no one there go No, No, you weren't know you
Speaker 2: weren't you definitely weren't. You definitely weren't think about us.
Speaker 2: But people were just so and you know, but he's
Speaker 2: a he was an absolute master at pacing it. And
Speaker 2: that sounds a really nerdy wanky, but he basically had this.
Speaker 2: It was just him and it the DJ really yeah yeah,
Speaker 2: and he had some like guests came out, like gigs
Speaker 2: came out and section boys came out and stuff. But
Speaker 2: he he he would play you know, a lot of
Speaker 2: his tracks, he would play twenty seconds like a sample
Speaker 2: and then they'd just scrap it move on to some
Speaker 2: of that's really frustrating because there was like some of
Speaker 2: the tunes, some of the big tunes, you'd be like,
Speaker 2: I want to hear this song, and it just kind
Speaker 2: of just cut it. He hardly played any song all
Speaker 2: the way through. Yeah, it was just about it was
Speaker 2: this kind of weird but the pace of it was
Speaker 2: so quick because you couldn't really keep up, and he
Speaker 2: was really good at knowing when a song was dying,
Speaker 2: when it wasn't going very well, and it'd start like
Speaker 2: having this mock argument with his DJ, and his DJ
Speaker 2: was kind of like his stooge. He's going, what you're doing?
Speaker 2: You can't be playing this. We were in London right now.
Speaker 2: Everyone would scream because he just said London and it's great.
Speaker 2: It's like it was really entertaining.
Speaker 3: I mean, the people have said that he's a bit,
Speaker 3: you know, when we played in Cando, they were like, Drake,
Speaker 3: he's fake, he's not gangster, and blah blah blah. But
Speaker 3: you kind of know that, but you forgive him because
Speaker 3: he's he's so good at what he does.
Speaker 2: Yeah, some of these songs are brilliant.
Speaker 3: I'm sure it's not then, right? So is it? Does he?
Speaker 3: I don't know, because he delivers them so perfectly, even
Speaker 3: if you didn't write them, so what you deliver them
Speaker 3: so spot.
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