1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 1: My name is Meant, my name is Noel. They called 6 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 1: me Ben. We are joined as always with our super 7 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 1: producer Alexis code named Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you 8 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 1: are you. You are here, and that makes this stuff 9 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 1: they don't want you to know. It's time for our 10 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 1: weekly listener Mail, where we where we share stories from 11 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 1: you with you, and today we have we have some 12 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 1: there's some really interesting stuff. We have some allegations of 13 00:00:56,400 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 1: inside jobs. We have the adcept of astrology, which we 14 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:05,319 Speaker 1: get asked about pretty frequently, so we're diving into that today. 15 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 1: And then also a little story that has always fascinated 16 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 1: me and I think might fascinate guys as well, about 17 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:17,959 Speaker 1: cryptids and extinction. So maybe we maybe we go in 18 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:20,119 Speaker 1: that order. What do you what do you say? Guys? 19 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 1: We did an episode on Game Stop we uh were 20 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 1: It was more than Game Stop Wall Street beats involvement 21 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 1: in what some would call a financial revolution or attempt 22 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 1: at such Uh, and this this sparked a lot of 23 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 1: interest from our fellow listeners. Yeah, it did, because I 24 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 1: think it really the whole game stop thing just sort 25 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:43,400 Speaker 1: of pointed out something that we've all always kind of 26 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 1: known that the system is really designed for, like the 27 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 1: power players, you know, the top folks that have the 28 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 1: most to gain and potentially the most to lose, but 29 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 1: they don't like to lose. So when you got the 30 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 1: little guys kind of rigging the system against them, uh, 31 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 1: they don't like that too much. And and there's uh 32 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 1: some potential for collusion and just not playing very fair. 33 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:11,919 Speaker 1: But in this whole game stop situation, that's certainly led 34 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 1: to the question of like, who has the most to 35 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 1: gain from this, This whole idea of short squeezing and 36 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 1: shorting socks with inherent which inherently feels super divisive and controversial, 37 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 1: the idea of betting on someone's failure. But hey, we're 38 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 1: all big boys, we know the stakes are we get 39 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 1: into business, you know, you win some, you lose some, 40 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 1: and sometimes people can benefit from others misfortune. Uh. It 41 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:38,960 Speaker 1: makes me a little squeamish, but it certainly is part 42 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 1: of the game. Whether you think it's icky or not, 43 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 1: but we had specifically a listener uh call in to 44 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 1: one three s td W y t K. You can 45 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:50,520 Speaker 1: do that too if you wish. Just let us know 46 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 1: what to call you and that we can use your 47 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 1: story and try to say that three minutes if you can. 48 00:02:54,120 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 1: But this one comes from our long time listener, Agent L. Hello, guys, 49 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 1: it's Agent L here again. I was thinking about the 50 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:14,240 Speaker 1: whole game Stop short squeeze attempt and how obvious it 51 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 1: seems that the creators of this idea, we're really only 52 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 1: looking to make profit on the stock that they owned. 53 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 1: I mean, the concept that they would squeeze these short 54 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 1: sellers seems pretty ludicrous to me, because unless those short 55 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 1: sellers were coming to the end of their term where 56 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 1: they would have to repay that borrowed stock, then the 57 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 1: idea that game Stop would have increased to such soaring 58 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 1: limits for long enough that it would really hurt these 59 00:03:55,240 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 1: hedge funds seems again ludicrous. I don't know how long 60 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 1: ago it was, and I don't know if this is 61 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 1: something you guys could find out how long ago it 62 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 1: was that the hedge funds started using game stock as 63 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 1: a short selling option, But it seems to me that 64 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:23,840 Speaker 1: the only benefit to this entire short squeeze attempt was 65 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 1: to the ones who planned it, orchestrated it, and brought 66 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 1: in the feeling of general ill will towards the hedge 67 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:41,599 Speaker 1: funds and all of that Occupy Wall Street esque feeling 68 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 1: along with it. Interested to see what you guys think. 69 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:52,479 Speaker 1: Keep up the good work by nice Yeah, thanks, Agent 70 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 1: l Um. It's a It's an interesting question, and I 71 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:58,720 Speaker 1: want to make sure and check with you, with you 72 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:02,040 Speaker 1: guys Matt and Ben, that I'm understanding the question correctly, 73 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:07,159 Speaker 1: because he's implying some level of an inside job. But 74 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 1: I'm not sure if he's implying that the executives at 75 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 1: game Stop were the ones that were rigging the game. 76 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 1: No pun intended, un totally intended. Ha ha, I won't, Ben, 77 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:21,839 Speaker 1: I can't. I couldn't possibly or that. I think what 78 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 1: he's saying is that the people who were organ orchestrating 79 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 1: the short squeeze with it from from within this uh 80 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:32,599 Speaker 1: um Wall Street bets community, We're essentially just out to 81 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:34,919 Speaker 1: pump up the price of the stock that they already owned, 82 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 1: and they weren't necessarily couldn't possibly have predicted that it 83 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 1: would do such egregious damage to the hedge funds that 84 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 1: were so heavily invested in the shorting of the stock. 85 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:48,600 Speaker 1: Is that what you guys took from that? Or am 86 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:52,480 Speaker 1: I misreading it somewhat? So I would say, yeah, this 87 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 1: is a great question, Agent l Um. We know that 88 00:05:57,320 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 1: deep thing value A K. Keith gil his name is 89 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:03,839 Speaker 1: out there now. We know that he was intensely interested 90 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 1: in Game Stop before this short selling run began, So 91 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 1: that's why he was the person who had his ear 92 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 1: to the financial ground and felt the tremors coming. But 93 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 1: from what I understand, and this is based on a 94 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 1: lot of correspondents from our fellow listeners who have rode 95 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 1: into the show or contacted me directly, it feels like 96 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 1: it feels like the beginning of it may have been organic, 97 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:38,720 Speaker 1: but there were opportunists who jumped on board, maybe with 98 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:44,360 Speaker 1: different motivations or some sort of ulterior motive. Right these 99 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:47,360 Speaker 1: folks are you know, you'll see in the Wall Street 100 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:50,719 Speaker 1: Bets forums, you'll see people saying like people would jump 101 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:53,840 Speaker 1: in during a Game Stop conversation and say, like, you know, 102 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 1: the next Game Stop is going to be this thing, 103 00:06:57,040 --> 00:06:59,839 Speaker 1: and they're kind of like trying to move the crowd 104 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 1: toward that thing that they obviously have already invested in. 105 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:06,600 Speaker 1: And then also, yeah, it's a great point, know all 106 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 1: about the the CEOs and the stock owners of game 107 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 1: Stop who were able to profit from this, right, depending 108 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 1: on how their timing worked out. It's also possible that, 109 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 1: like of course in professional investment bankers, people who work 110 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 1: at hedge funds are very well aware of stuff like this. 111 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 1: It feels like, and maybe I'm being too extreme here, 112 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 1: it feels like it would be somewhat naive to assume 113 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 1: that they would not seize an opportunity if they thought 114 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 1: such existed. And it's totally illegal, by the way, the 115 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 1: way they did it, if they did Yeah, that's right, 116 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 1: And now I want to get your take, but I 117 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 1: want to add to that. I mean, the history of 118 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 1: this is that even a year before all this craziness 119 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 1: went down, a lot of the folks hang on on 120 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 1: Wall Street bets they kind of carrying a torch for 121 00:07:57,400 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 1: game Stop in an interesting way, saying that like they 122 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 1: felt like it was under value because these hedge funds 123 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 1: were already starting to bet against it, like you know, 124 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: at the beginning of the pandemic um because they felt 125 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 1: like they were pretty too much emphasis on their brick 126 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 1: and mortar you know situation, and that gaming and game 127 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 1: purchases is really migrating to a all digital realm, or 128 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 1: as a little snippet of a big box store that 129 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 1: is diversified and sells other stuff whereas game stops. Whole 130 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 1: deal is that these tiny little brick and mortar stores 131 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 1: and only still video games. Um. I guess you could 132 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 1: argue that they you know, it's the only place you 133 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:36,840 Speaker 1: can really trade games, but god, the value they give 134 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 1: you on trade ends is embarrassing. It is a business, 135 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 1: but it's like it's like you pay sixty of these 136 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 1: games and they, you know, a pristine copy, They'll give 137 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 1: you like ten if that, and then they turn around 138 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:53,560 Speaker 1: and sell it for you know, fifty. It is college 139 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:57,080 Speaker 1: bookstore rules. But you're not You're you're not wrong. But um, 140 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:01,680 Speaker 1: this guy, Ryan cullen um kind of had the same 141 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 1: idea where he was like back in the beginning of 142 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 1: he was trying to convince the board. He invested a 143 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 1: lot of money into the company, hoping to kind of 144 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:16,199 Speaker 1: push this this digital first narrative onto the company and 145 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 1: sort of suggest to them that hey, you guys need 146 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 1: to get with the times. Um, I've been invest in 147 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 1: you to show that that we I still believe in you, 148 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 1: but you've got to kind of change your business model. 149 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 1: He actually wrote this in an SEC filing. Game Stop 150 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:32,560 Speaker 1: needs to evolve into a technology company that delights gamers 151 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 1: and delivers exceptional digital experiences, not remain at video game 152 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 1: retail that over prioritizes this brick and mortar footprint and 153 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 1: stumbles around the online ecosystem. Ouch. Um. But yeah, essentially, um, 154 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:51,679 Speaker 1: game Stop still has a bit of a relatively bright future. Especially, 155 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 1: I mean, obviously this was like a symbolic, massive ground 156 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 1: swell that wasn't necessarily tied to any real performance metrics, 157 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 1: which is what makes me question in the whole stock 158 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:04,320 Speaker 1: market and in the idea of value or what is 159 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 1: something actually worth. But there was a question I believe 160 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 1: I asked on the episode we did Ben where it's like, 161 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 1: what do these what does this inflated price mean for 162 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 1: the company? And it does apparently mean that they could 163 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:20,320 Speaker 1: that they're actually gonna be able to pay off some 164 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 1: debts and use some of that profit to invest in 165 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:27,200 Speaker 1: some of these new directions that they might you know, 166 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 1: that might make them more viable you know in the 167 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 1: in the world of the future or like the you know, 168 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 1: ten years ago. Um, but Matt, what do you think 169 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:39,440 Speaker 1: about this? Do you think it's possible that there was 170 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 1: some collusion outside of just the game stock kind of 171 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 1: meme stock, you know, Internet Reddit people that were like 172 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:50,200 Speaker 1: trying to make a stand in that kind of occupy 173 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 1: mindset way as protest and then it just kind of 174 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 1: balloon out of control Or is there something more maybe 175 00:10:56,160 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 1: a nefarious but more calculated at play. Well, I I 176 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 1: think there are always going to be people who are 177 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:06,840 Speaker 1: invested way more than any retail investor, who have more 178 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 1: to gain and lose, right for for anything that occurs 179 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 1: like this. And we we talked about one person, Ryan Cohen, 180 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:15,840 Speaker 1: Like you said, yeah, at one point in January at 181 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 1: the peak his seventy five million dollar investment in game stock, 182 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:23,840 Speaker 1: in game stop stock was worth about one point three 183 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 1: billion at the peak of it. And you know, look 184 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 1: at other billionaires, um Credit Acceptance Corp. There's a person 185 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 1: there's a person there, man named Donald Fosse. Again, like 186 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 1: went from twelve point five million investment in game stop 187 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:44,200 Speaker 1: stock at the peak was around one point five billion 188 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 1: dollars worth, so you know when you're when you're when 189 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 1: you're when you've got investors and stakes. At that level 190 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:53,600 Speaker 1: it all you always have to question, well, what else 191 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:56,199 Speaker 1: was going on here? But as always we're dealing in 192 00:11:56,240 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 1: a weird realm where it's opinions, it's um. If you 193 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:03,560 Speaker 1: can get enough buzz going, if you can get enough 194 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 1: people to think positively or negatively, you can completely change 195 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 1: the fortunes of millions of other people, and technology outpaced 196 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:20,320 Speaker 1: the typical you know, stock market strategies like the the 197 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 1: amount of nerd, blood, sweat, and tears put into knowing 198 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 1: the information first and acting on it quickly is astonishing. 199 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 1: Like if if aliens came to this planet, they would 200 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:38,680 Speaker 1: probably be low key impressed with just how much time 201 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:41,720 Speaker 1: has been spent on that specifically, there would be other 202 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 1: questions like what is your weird coupon system? Why do 203 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 1: people die for it? Are you at all concerned about 204 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 1: the future of water on your planet? But they would 205 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 1: at least I think, like all the way back to 206 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 1: the spaceship they would go. You know that how Wall 207 00:12:57,160 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 1: Street thing is pretty nifty some toays man, but to 208 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:05,440 Speaker 1: your point in defense, Ryan Cohen, uh he did not 209 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:08,959 Speaker 1: do what you know is often Crassley called a pump 210 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 1: and dump. In fact, he's continuing to lead a revamp 211 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 1: and they just poached, um, he just poached Amazon executive 212 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 1: former Amazon executive. So he is definitely if he's definitely 213 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:25,200 Speaker 1: transparent about having a horse in the race. So I 214 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 1: don't know if you could say he's conspiring. I feel 215 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 1: like what we're with Agent L and to your point 216 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 1: about the billions of dollars, Like what Agent L is 217 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 1: touching on here is the idea that maybe folks from 218 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 1: Hedge fund that was not like publicly in the fray. 219 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 1: As far as this over short selling, I feel like 220 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:50,839 Speaker 1: it is completely plausible that someone working there saw what 221 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:56,560 Speaker 1: was going down and calculated, uh, some sort of opportunity. 222 00:13:56,760 --> 00:13:59,680 Speaker 1: And then of course if you already have game Stop stock, 223 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 1: Yeah you love the stock, everybody, yet that buzz put 224 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:07,560 Speaker 1: some stock on it, uh you know, And it's true. 225 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 1: I mean, like like so many of these investors, these 226 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 1: high level investors, they have access to information that we 227 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:14,840 Speaker 1: don't have access to, whether it's through those Bloomberg terminals 228 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 1: that cost like thousands of dollars to subscribe to and 229 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 1: then give you like just the most up to date 230 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:22,720 Speaker 1: information or I mean, you know, we say insider training 231 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 1: is illegal, you know if you get caught, But I 232 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 1: have I have a hard time believing that that stuff 233 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 1: doesn't happen like all the time, you know, uh and 234 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 1: casual a little wink, wink, nudge, nudge, say no more 235 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 1: type moments. You know, Um, think about it this way 236 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 1: this did we talk about George Sherman yet the CEO 237 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 1: of game Stop at the time, great opportunity, Like if 238 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 1: we want to talk about an insider benefit that maybe 239 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 1: there was no you know, there's no connection to anything 240 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 1: else he over you can only assume the over time 241 00:14:57,120 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 1: he was gifted stock, you know, as part of his 242 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 1: compens station. He also maybe was doing his own investing, 243 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 1: who knows, but he owned two point three six million 244 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 1: shares of game Stop. The CEO owned two point three 245 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 1: six million shares, So that went from forty five million 246 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 1: to one point one three billion, just like that. Um, 247 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 1: if you know, if you own that much stock personally, 248 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 1: you can imagine that you would want something like this 249 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 1: to happen. But who's to say that you could ever 250 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 1: make something like that happen. Well, that's a good and 251 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 1: also got what talk about a red flag or I mean, 252 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 1: you know, if he dumped that stock at its peak, 253 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 1: I mean, as the CEO, he'd be run up the 254 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 1: flagpole and crucified, you know, on the flagpole. I'm mixing 255 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 1: my metaphors here, but I think you see where I'm 256 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 1: coming from. And uh, the same with this, um this 257 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 1: in the angel investor this like whatever, um what's the word? 258 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 1: Activist investor? Cohen like, that's pretty cool. He could have sold. 259 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 1: He he was smart. He he obviously wasn't a player 260 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 1: in this. He just invested because he thought the company 261 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 1: was undervalued and needed to move in a direction and 262 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 1: was trying to use this money. He had to influence 263 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 1: maybe the board to move in that direction. But you know, 264 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 1: he can see that portfolio quadrupling, you know, stept tuppling 265 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 1: and value, and he didn't sell. I don't I don't 266 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 1: think so. I don't know that. But if he has 267 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 1: the implication, Yeah, that's the implication for sure. Um. So 268 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 1: he obviously literally put his money where his mouth was. 269 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 1: That's interesting. It's tricky because both of those individuals, like 270 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 1: Cohen and Sherman, they are both at the helm of 271 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 1: game stop. Sherman is still the CEO, and so you 272 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 1: can make the argument. It gets kind of tricky when 273 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 1: you are a high level executive in a company that 274 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 1: you you know, own a bunch of stock in like 275 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 1: the rules around when and how you can sell that 276 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 1: stock or divest yourself from it um or or can 277 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 1: get a little complex. So if I were looking for 278 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:08,480 Speaker 1: more of an inside job, or if if the five 279 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:12,480 Speaker 1: of US Doc Noel, Matt, Me and you listening at home, 280 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 1: if we were in charge of Game Stop and we 281 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 1: knew we could we could make a profit on this, right, Uh, 282 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:22,679 Speaker 1: but we also knew we needed to be legal, And 283 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:25,440 Speaker 1: the first thing I would look for is kind of 284 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 1: a way to put it at a remove, you know, 285 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:33,959 Speaker 1: And maybe that's somebody else taking actions that we're based 286 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 1: on a conversation that we just casually had. Right because 287 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 1: a lot of times with conspiracies, and a lot of 288 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:46,680 Speaker 1: times with financial conspiracies. The days of the shadowy, smokey 289 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 1: back room are are over, so it's much much more 290 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:54,639 Speaker 1: casual now. It's kind of like a we're both at 291 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 1: the barbecue. How is your week? Yeah? Pretty good? So 292 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:03,359 Speaker 1: do the US now hurry? Um, I want to just 293 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 1: bring something up towards the end of this no something 294 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:08,040 Speaker 1: maybe that you can look into later, because I'm a 295 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:11,159 Speaker 1: little I feel out of the loop with it. But 296 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 1: there's a person named Bill Whang h W A n 297 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 1: G and archagos ark goos. I think it's called arc goos. 298 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 1: I don't know how to say correctly. It's a Greek word. 299 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 1: Really interesting story coming out about the collapse of this 300 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 1: private like family owned or family investment fund. It's kind 301 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 1: of like a hedge fund, but just very small and 302 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:41,199 Speaker 1: it it doesn't require the same things from the sec 303 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 1: that some other big hedge fund requires. And there's some 304 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:50,200 Speaker 1: weird stuff going on there where the dude, this guy 305 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 1: Bill like, borrowed a ton of money from a bunch 306 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:56,359 Speaker 1: of different lenders and then put it all into this 307 00:18:56,640 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 1: huge hedge fund essentially, and then it tanked. UM and 308 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 1: the guy also has a past with UM. I don't 309 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:07,480 Speaker 1: know if it was inside or trading. I know he 310 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:12,720 Speaker 1: has a past of some weird stuff in his world. UM. Anyways, 311 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:16,119 Speaker 1: it's worth looking into. It's just breaking right now. Is 312 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:19,119 Speaker 1: it insider trading? If you know some This is a 313 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:21,439 Speaker 1: dumb question, if I'm appreciate the answerous yes, if you 314 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 1: know something is going to happen that hasn't been full 315 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:26,879 Speaker 1: fully announced, like maybe an acquisition of another company or 316 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 1: a change in like trajectory or business strategy, and you 317 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 1: know that and you act on that. You don't know 318 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 1: how it's gonna affect the stock, but you know that's 319 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:38,640 Speaker 1: usually what effects stock is news items like things like oh, 320 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:42,080 Speaker 1: we didn't get this government contractor you know they're changing 321 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 1: to pivoting to a different you know, industry even or whatever. 322 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 1: We went through this with a company that we were 323 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:51,159 Speaker 1: owned by called Blue Cora that had an interesting uh 324 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:55,440 Speaker 1: stock pump out of nowhere because of an announcement. If 325 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:57,879 Speaker 1: we had acted on that internally, that would have been 326 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:01,640 Speaker 1: insider trading, right, Yeah, I believe that would have been 327 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:05,520 Speaker 1: the case. So while we none, oh what are we 328 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:07,879 Speaker 1: supposed to say, let's street Lake Wall Street beats. This 329 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 1: is not financial advice, No, we just like the stock, 330 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:17,440 Speaker 1: diamond hands, etcetera. UM, so insider trading. Here's here's maybe 331 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 1: an example off the top of my head, like we're 332 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 1: let's say we're a defense contractor we're locky or something, 333 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:29,719 Speaker 1: and we know that because we are high muckety MUCKs 334 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:33,360 Speaker 1: in this world and at this organization. We know that 335 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:37,159 Speaker 1: things are gonna be a little rough. Maybe not an 336 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 1: existential crisis, but they're gonna be a little rough because 337 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 1: we just lost the contract bidding process for the new 338 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:52,359 Speaker 1: UM foot slapping drone that that is gonna revolutionize people 339 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 1: walking around barefoot, which is apparently a huge problem in 340 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 1: this example. Anyway, moving on, if we know that, and 341 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:02,200 Speaker 1: we know it before it is announced, and then we 342 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 1: all go and dump our stocks suddenly, I think that's 343 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 1: something the SEC will pay attention to. But keep in mind, 344 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:12,800 Speaker 1: you know, we can't be the only ones asking this question. 345 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:18,160 Speaker 1: How many cases does the s SEC prosecute per year? 346 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:22,560 Speaker 1: The number is staggering. It's fifty, that's it, out of 347 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 1: all financial transactions in the U. S SEC worries about 348 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:30,400 Speaker 1: let's say about fifty a year. They say these aren't kosher. 349 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 1: What a lot of people don't understand is that the 350 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:36,840 Speaker 1: SEC is literally one person, and she works hard, and 351 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 1: she's basically an intern. Well, it's kind of like how 352 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:44,440 Speaker 1: the I r S is, so I would say, by 353 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:50,920 Speaker 1: design understaffed. Think about who benefits from an underresourced SEC. 354 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:55,720 Speaker 1: Under resourced I R S. It's not it's probably not 355 00:21:55,880 --> 00:22:00,200 Speaker 1: you folks spoiler alert. As a matter of fact, part 356 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:03,399 Speaker 1: of that is, um, the way that laws are written. 357 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 1: Policies are written. So we talked about insider treating the game. Stop, 358 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:12,200 Speaker 1: Let's talk about insiders in the financial system overall, because 359 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 1: that's how it works, right. The old Carling quote is 360 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:19,199 Speaker 1: a big club. You ain't in it yet yet. I 361 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:21,720 Speaker 1: hold out hope for everyone listening. Well, I have to 362 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:24,720 Speaker 1: make this stock joke because it's too good and dad 363 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:26,879 Speaker 1: like not to make. But you can call me the 364 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 1: catcher in the rye because I'm holding Caulfield, get it, 365 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 1: holding my stocks, holding diamond hands. I was trying. There 366 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:40,720 Speaker 1: was a stock called Caulfield. It sounds like the kind 367 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 1: of like like a company that would make soup or something. 368 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 1: I don't know why. Um yeah, well, okay, this is 369 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:49,120 Speaker 1: interesting stuff. And it's obviously we're just seeing the tip 370 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:51,159 Speaker 1: of the iceberg with this kind of thing, and and 371 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:53,800 Speaker 1: it's and it's an iceberg that started kind of floating 372 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:56,359 Speaker 1: our way many years ago with the whole Occupy Wall 373 00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:59,120 Speaker 1: Street thing, and like now we're actually seeing some activists, 374 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 1: activist kind of behavior that's really affecting people's pocketbooks. And um, 375 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:07,160 Speaker 1: it'll be interesting to see how Oh, we didn't even 376 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:08,639 Speaker 1: mention the fact that I was sorry. There was a 377 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,800 Speaker 1: whole article I wanted to bring up. Is that the 378 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:15,480 Speaker 1: hedge fund that lost more than fifty of its value 379 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:19,320 Speaker 1: because of the game Stop stock you know, shorting situation, 380 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:24,240 Speaker 1: Melvin Capital is being sued by nine different retail investors 381 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 1: who claimed that they UM initiated a conspiracy to limit 382 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 1: trading that caused these these retail investors to lose money. 383 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:37,840 Speaker 1: UM and that was because of their connection with UH 384 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 1: apps like Robin Hood that all of a sudden, oh sorry, 385 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:44,400 Speaker 1: you can't get game Stop anymore. So we'll see how 386 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 1: that goes. That's sort of the latest news. But plenty 387 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,440 Speaker 1: more to come, and plenty more listener mail to come 388 00:23:49,680 --> 00:24:00,440 Speaker 1: after this quick message breaking and we have returned. We're 389 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 1: traveling internationally. Our next story today takes us to Australia, 390 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,399 Speaker 1: a k a. One of the places we've always wanted 391 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:12,280 Speaker 1: to visit. Right to your local representatives Australians, tell them 392 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 1: to have our show go there. I don't know how 393 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 1: the Australian government works. I don't know if they do that, 394 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 1: but you know, give it a shot. It's an email. 395 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 1: UH here is a fantastic letter from Paul W in 396 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:31,879 Speaker 1: Australia who asked about something that has fascinated me for 397 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 1: a long time. And I think a lot of our 398 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:37,760 Speaker 1: fellow listeners. Let's hit the letter first and then let's 399 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:41,480 Speaker 1: get weird with it, I mean super weird. Good day fellas. 400 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:45,120 Speaker 1: That's Paul, not me. Um that stereotyping here. My name 401 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:47,159 Speaker 1: is Paul, and I think your show is awesome. Your 402 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 1: efforts are reflected by the quality of your podcast I 403 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 1: really enjoy, for which I thank you. So that kind 404 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:53,920 Speaker 1: of lie and I don't know about you guys, but 405 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,640 Speaker 1: that kind of lie always gets me like a little 406 00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 1: a little cautious. Is there gonna be like a butt? 407 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:06,159 Speaker 1: But there's always but not always there isn't. This is 408 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 1: a butt free email. So Paul, you said stuff theyn't once, 409 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:12,640 Speaker 1: you know, keeps me alert at work as a delivery driver, 410 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:15,760 Speaker 1: which offers me a little extra scratch since retiring from 411 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 1: a long career in the Australian Army as a field medic. 412 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:22,479 Speaker 1: I live in Woollongong and thank you for telling us 413 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 1: how to pronounce that, which is about seventy kilometers south 414 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 1: of Sydney. As the thunderbird flies, and I love all 415 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 1: things crypted. I believe your listeners may be interested in 416 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 1: the mystery that surrounds the Tasmanian tiger. I don't know 417 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:38,639 Speaker 1: if you can classify this critter as a crypted because 418 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,600 Speaker 1: it was or is a real thing that officially when 419 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:45,120 Speaker 1: extinct in the nineteen thirties. However, sightings of this creature 420 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:48,119 Speaker 1: have been recorded since the thirties up until recently in 421 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 1: Tasmania and on the mainland of Australia. Something like of 422 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:57,200 Speaker 1: Tasmania is dense, impenetrable bush land, So I believe labeling 423 00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:01,720 Speaker 1: this carnivorous marsupial extinct maybe a little presumptuous. Anyway, that's 424 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 1: my opinion. Keep up the great work. PS. Next time 425 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 1: you see John Oh, please tell him that I love 426 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,760 Speaker 1: Mike Whister hoodie. That's that's a little bit of an 427 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:14,959 Speaker 1: Easter egg there for our awesome complaint department and the 428 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:19,400 Speaker 1: creator of tech stuff who appears uh in his alter 429 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:23,640 Speaker 1: ego on another show we do called Ridiculous History. Sure, 430 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,160 Speaker 1: I did not know he has hoodies, but that's awesome. 431 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,640 Speaker 1: I didn't know. How did we even have hoodies? Are 432 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 1: we able to print hoodies? Special arrangement. Think maybe he's 433 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:40,240 Speaker 1: just got that quizzble. But but Paul, this letter made 434 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:44,639 Speaker 1: my day because of a couple of different factors. But 435 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,960 Speaker 1: I wanted to check Matt Noel with you guys. First, 436 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:52,359 Speaker 1: have you done much reading about the Tasmanian tiger in specific? 437 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:56,239 Speaker 1: Not since we talked about it. Uh. One of the 438 00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,639 Speaker 1: cryptid things that we did Ben that I can't recall, 439 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,640 Speaker 1: but we we mentioned just how cool of a creature 440 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,119 Speaker 1: it was. So I'm excited to hear what you've learned. 441 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 1: I just know the Tasmanian devil from many tunes fame. 442 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:10,119 Speaker 1: What's the Tasmanian tiger look like? I don't recall this 443 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:12,960 Speaker 1: because I'm googling him right now. It looks more like 444 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:18,440 Speaker 1: a canine to me, Oh cool, or like a hyena almost. Yeah, 445 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 1: it's like a dog with tiger stripes, uh, expanding at 446 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:30,440 Speaker 1: its hind quarters, just a little vaguely dingo like perhaps. Yeah. 447 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:35,639 Speaker 1: So there was a recent newspiece that claimed it was 448 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:41,000 Speaker 1: earlier this year that claimed the Tasmanian tiger had been sighted, 449 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 1: had been spotted in the wild. Uh. This this claim, 450 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:49,239 Speaker 1: which came around in I think February or so, Uh, 451 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,200 Speaker 1: all can be attributed to a guy on YouTube named 452 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:57,640 Speaker 1: Neil Waters, who says that they had seen not just 453 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 1: one thigh last scene, which would be uh, you know 454 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,760 Speaker 1: the name of a Tasmanian tiger when it has its uh, 455 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 1: when it has its suit and tie on. But he 456 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:08,840 Speaker 1: said he saw an entire family. He said he had 457 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 1: footage here as well as you know, we always want 458 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,399 Speaker 1: to look into the sources here. Neil Waters does have 459 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,119 Speaker 1: a Thi La scene in the race here because he 460 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 1: is the president of something called the Thila Scene Awareness 461 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:25,639 Speaker 1: Group of Australia, so he very much believes they're out there, 462 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:29,679 Speaker 1: very much wants us to be aware of this. The 463 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:35,480 Speaker 1: story of the Tasmanian tiger is, you know, it's pretty tragic, uh, 464 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,400 Speaker 1: in no small part because the last one, you're right, 465 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,680 Speaker 1: Paul did die in the thirties. His name was Benjamin. 466 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 1: He died in a zoo, so he was an animal jail. 467 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 1: And ever since then, more than eighty years since, people 468 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:55,240 Speaker 1: have consistently been reporting sightings what they believe to be 469 00:28:55,880 --> 00:29:00,720 Speaker 1: Tasmanian tigers. And what's important about what Water says is 470 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 1: that he he thought he also saw a juvenile a baby, 471 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:11,240 Speaker 1: meaning that there was a breeding population. This video went 472 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:14,880 Speaker 1: relatively viral. He said that he handed images of the 473 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 1: thyl scene over to an expert named Nick Mooney at 474 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:23,720 Speaker 1: the Tasmanian Museum and Art Gallery and surprise, surprise, not 475 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:27,160 Speaker 1: everybody agreed on what it was. We're going to give 476 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 1: you another animal to check out in your browser of choice, 477 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:37,080 Speaker 1: and that is something called the Tasmanian patamelan, which I 478 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 1: may be mispronounced pat patti melan mm hmm. Let us 479 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:46,720 Speaker 1: know Australians. So people are saying that this guy definitely 480 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,840 Speaker 1: did not see an animal long suspected to be extinct. 481 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,080 Speaker 1: And if you look up this uh, if you look 482 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:54,680 Speaker 1: up the picture of this other creature p A D 483 00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:59,000 Speaker 1: E M E l O N that's it looks kind 484 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 1: of like a waka think they're called. If you look 485 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:04,800 Speaker 1: up this creature, that's what that's what the skeptics are 486 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:08,160 Speaker 1: saying waters actually saw. And if you guys see just 487 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:11,920 Speaker 1: an image of this, I think you would agree it 488 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:17,040 Speaker 1: doesn't really look like a Tasmanian tiger, doesn't. Not so much. Yeah, 489 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:22,000 Speaker 1: it's a little look, it's very cute, very Pixar, very Disney. Uh, 490 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:25,120 Speaker 1: it's it's a little bottom heavy because it is still 491 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 1: you know, it's some our supial um, so it has 492 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:30,960 Speaker 1: to has to carry it's young for a time. It 493 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 1: looks like a kangaroo a mouse, just like a kang 494 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:39,600 Speaker 1: a mouse A brief I like, mas uh, yeah, it's 495 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 1: the thing is it's really it's pretty small. It's only 496 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:47,000 Speaker 1: about fifteen something fifteen sixteen pounds. Uh, it's about a 497 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:51,400 Speaker 1: meter meter and a half in length. I guess you 498 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:55,240 Speaker 1: could mistake it for a Tasmanian tiger. But to be fair, 499 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:58,520 Speaker 1: you could easily mistake just something moving in the bush 500 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:02,760 Speaker 1: for one of these, uh, one of these supposedly extinct creatures, 501 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,840 Speaker 1: especially if you wanted to see what if you wanted 502 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:07,840 Speaker 1: it to be true. But the thing that gets me 503 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:12,440 Speaker 1: about this, even though people disagree with this specific claim, 504 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:18,040 Speaker 1: is not just the preponderance of alleged sightings, but it's 505 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:22,240 Speaker 1: the fact that animals can be lost and rediscovered, like 506 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:24,760 Speaker 1: the good old example, the most famous example, the Cela 507 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:29,360 Speaker 1: canth Right, that guy was quote unquote extinct for what 508 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:32,960 Speaker 1: millions of years while I was just living is happy, 509 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:38,920 Speaker 1: objectively kind of ugly life and river well just different, 510 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:44,960 Speaker 1: just different, just different. You're right, we can't apply surface 511 00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:49,320 Speaker 1: level assumptions right on multiple levels to this guy. But 512 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 1: the and the Thilas scene too, is it just looks adorable. 513 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 1: I'll be honest with you. I it also looks so 514 00:31:56,480 --> 00:32:01,200 Speaker 1: much like canid of some sort that it could I 515 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:06,760 Speaker 1: could imagine somebody seeing a dog, maybe without optimal viewing conditions, 516 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:11,160 Speaker 1: and thinking like being certain they had seen Tasmanian tiger. 517 00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:14,920 Speaker 1: I just want them to not be extinct, you know 518 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:18,080 Speaker 1: what I mean. I want them to be around. If 519 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 1: you look at Tasmania itself, yes it is. It is 520 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:26,320 Speaker 1: possible that they're around. But I think in our in 521 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:30,040 Speaker 1: our last episode on this, when we talked about Tasmanian 522 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:33,240 Speaker 1: tigers earlier, we had all agreed they would they would 523 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:36,800 Speaker 1: count as a cryptic right under celi Can rules for sure, 524 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,240 Speaker 1: this would be a This would be a crypted I'm 525 00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:42,719 Speaker 1: looking at that video now that Neil Waters you were 526 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:49,440 Speaker 1: talking about, posted of these images he took. I don't know, man, 527 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:55,040 Speaker 1: I'm on the fence here. Whether it's a padamelon or 528 00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:59,920 Speaker 1: phil a scene which is got padamel and silent thing 529 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,880 Speaker 1: that's like that's going to be a hook somewhere. Yeah, yeah, 530 00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:06,320 Speaker 1: it's it's the new track by who God, we'll bringing 531 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:11,800 Speaker 1: that character back. Yeah, I wondered, I don't know, like you, 532 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:15,120 Speaker 1: so you're on the fence, Matt, what do you think 533 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:19,040 Speaker 1: is it possible to feel like yeah, I don't know. 534 00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,960 Speaker 1: Every time we have these cryptic conversations, I mean, the 535 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,080 Speaker 1: last one we had, Matt, that you brought was about 536 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:27,440 Speaker 1: the really big, dire wolf looking things that like dragged 537 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,640 Speaker 1: a cow over a guardrail, and then it always ends 538 00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:34,800 Speaker 1: up being the little detail of um, well, it was 539 00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:38,200 Speaker 1: at night, there was distance, there's shadow. You might have 540 00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:41,400 Speaker 1: mistaken it for you know, something else, and it seems 541 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,520 Speaker 1: like that's what's happening here now, the big wolves dragging 542 00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,160 Speaker 1: a deer. It was not a cow, as a deer 543 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,120 Speaker 1: over a guard rail. Much more convincing than just like 544 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,280 Speaker 1: seeing a thing from a distance and saying, oh, that's 545 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,800 Speaker 1: definitely this this animal. So but that was just a story. 546 00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:59,920 Speaker 1: I know what it was, but it was just Waters 547 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:04,200 Speaker 1: has some videos. He's got trail cameras, he's got images. 548 00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,040 Speaker 1: I don't know where are they? Where they at? Man, 549 00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:09,080 Speaker 1: let me see him. He's posting them on YouTube right now. 550 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:14,440 Speaker 1: Left there yet though? Are they? Yeah? Well, there is ah, 551 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:18,520 Speaker 1: there is another thing here that gets me, as far 552 00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:23,120 Speaker 1: as I know, one of the most I guess, like 553 00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:27,279 Speaker 1: the simple low hanging fruit step in a search for 554 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:31,000 Speaker 1: crypto is kind of gross, but it's necessary. Find the boot, 555 00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,759 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Find find the habitat. Uh, 556 00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:38,439 Speaker 1: find the scratching if there's some like behavior like that. Uh. 557 00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,480 Speaker 1: And we did in a previous episode we did some 558 00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:45,760 Speaker 1: like cocktail napkin math about Bigfoot, and we said, okay, 559 00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:49,360 Speaker 1: the austral Epithecus is extinct, but that's the you know, 560 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:54,920 Speaker 1: the biggest primate we know of. What about the current 561 00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:59,279 Speaker 1: largest primate? Right? What? What kind of We've been really 562 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:01,359 Speaker 1: into gut slate? What kind of boop do they make? 563 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:03,640 Speaker 1: Where do they make? How does it work? You know? 564 00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:05,640 Speaker 1: How often does it happen? How much is there? How 565 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,760 Speaker 1: much do they have to eat? Looking for physical animal 566 00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:13,160 Speaker 1: that seems like that would be a trace they would 567 00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:18,560 Speaker 1: inevitably have to leave, and to my knowledge, that has 568 00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:22,840 Speaker 1: not been found. Nobody's seemed has Manian tiger poop, you know, 569 00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:29,440 Speaker 1: the fresh bait kind since n so, I think I 570 00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:31,919 Speaker 1: think it's possible, but I'm super biased because I want 571 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:35,440 Speaker 1: it to be true. And then also even if it 572 00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:37,920 Speaker 1: is true. If there is some relic population, as they 573 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:41,920 Speaker 1: would be called, Uh, they probably don't have the genetic 574 00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:45,040 Speaker 1: diversity to continue as a species. If they exist, the 575 00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:48,000 Speaker 1: odds are not great that they will have enough um 576 00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:51,640 Speaker 1: of a breeding population to beat a genetic bottleneck that 577 00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:54,680 Speaker 1: would ultimately do them. Yeah. Well, you know the good 578 00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,360 Speaker 1: thing is uh, for all of us with just a 579 00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:02,440 Speaker 1: casual interest in this way, and you know, Waters or 580 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:07,279 Speaker 1: whoever else comes out with incontrovertible images or video or 581 00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:11,359 Speaker 1: some kind of evidence of a Tasmanian tiger living right now, 582 00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,160 Speaker 1: it will make the news because that is big news. 583 00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:18,319 Speaker 1: It will it'll hit MSN or whatever you're checking every 584 00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,840 Speaker 1: once in a while, and uh, and then we'll know 585 00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,600 Speaker 1: for sure one way or the well. Actually, if we 586 00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:26,520 Speaker 1: don't have proof, then we won't know and it will 587 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:28,880 Speaker 1: always be a mystery. So maybe let's just keep it 588 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:34,480 Speaker 1: like that. Are you say the real Tasmanian tiger was 589 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:39,680 Speaker 1: the friends we made along the way? Yeah? Uh, yeah, 590 00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,799 Speaker 1: it's it's a fascinating story, and you know, it's a 591 00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:46,680 Speaker 1: story that's not going to go away for the foreseeable future. 592 00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:53,560 Speaker 1: As long as there is dense wilderness in Tasmania. People candidly, 593 00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:57,680 Speaker 1: people like me will hold out hoping against hope that 594 00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:01,000 Speaker 1: we see the return of this on, especially in this 595 00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:04,719 Speaker 1: time of a great mass extinction. We are living through 596 00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:08,799 Speaker 1: an era of history in the most unpleasant way. But 597 00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:11,680 Speaker 1: with that being said, if you if you've seen a 598 00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:16,359 Speaker 1: Tasmanian tiger, if you have a Tasmanian tiger, if you 599 00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:20,480 Speaker 1: are a Tasmanian tiger somehow able to operate a keyboard 600 00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:23,359 Speaker 1: or foam, we'd love to hear from you. We'd love 601 00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:27,200 Speaker 1: to hear your experience. Um. Although I don't think any 602 00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:30,400 Speaker 1: of us speak tiger, we will get duo lingo. We'll 603 00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:34,640 Speaker 1: pick that stuff up and do well enough to understand you. Ben. 604 00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,880 Speaker 1: By the way, before we leave, I found a video 605 00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:43,080 Speaker 1: on that YouTube channel that we were talking about a 606 00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:47,480 Speaker 1: thylacine Awareness group of Australia. The title is searching for 607 00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:53,400 Speaker 1: Tazzi tiger poop. Yeah about that poop? Where's the poop? 608 00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,920 Speaker 1: It's it? Where's the loop? There's a big turret on 609 00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:00,160 Speaker 1: the thumbnail, so I don't know that have does that 610 00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,359 Speaker 1: have little stink lines coming off of it? I'm like, well, 611 00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,040 Speaker 1: flies like animal? And then how do you tell like, 612 00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:08,040 Speaker 1: how do you how do you dissect that. Gosh, okay, 613 00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,120 Speaker 1: this is a smell and taste. That's really the only 614 00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:14,560 Speaker 1: so I would do it. I guess he's got experience 615 00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:20,080 Speaker 1: in these matters. Matthew. Yeah, so uh that that search continues. 616 00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:22,960 Speaker 1: Please let us know your experience, Please let us know 617 00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,799 Speaker 1: your opinion, not just that, but any other cryptids in 618 00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:29,440 Speaker 1: your neck of the global Woods. Will return to this 619 00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,080 Speaker 1: story in the future, but for now, we're going to 620 00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,440 Speaker 1: take a break for a word from our sponsors and 621 00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:44,000 Speaker 1: will return with one more story from you, and we're back. 622 00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:48,120 Speaker 1: Now we're going to hear another voicemail from one of you, 623 00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:52,279 Speaker 1: and it's covering a topic that has been I want 624 00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:56,080 Speaker 1: to see this nicely. It's been consuming my wife a 625 00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:59,200 Speaker 1: little bit and I'm have a growing interest in this 626 00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:02,719 Speaker 1: now because of her interest, and I can't wait to 627 00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:07,200 Speaker 1: talk about it. So let's jump to the voicemail from Stephanie. Hey, guys, 628 00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:12,360 Speaker 1: this is definitely from California. The idea for a topic 629 00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:15,400 Speaker 1: just touched into my head and I'm sure you guys 630 00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:19,719 Speaker 1: have gotten out the requests for it, and fairly ascertainments 631 00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:26,280 Speaker 1: haven't been covered in the backlogs, and the topic is astrology. 632 00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:30,560 Speaker 1: My dad. When I was younger, his best friend and 633 00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:35,040 Speaker 1: like business partner for his h construction and painting company 634 00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:40,400 Speaker 1: used to print out astrology charts and they give astrology 635 00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:44,400 Speaker 1: like hardcore. I mean, like I remember like binders and 636 00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:48,719 Speaker 1: binders of these astrology charts, and my mom and him 637 00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:50,839 Speaker 1: both kind of believe in the stuff, and they would 638 00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:53,520 Speaker 1: talk about how just like affecting the planet, and like 639 00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,360 Speaker 1: I don't know, something was going on, and like with 640 00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:59,880 Speaker 1: the planet, they'd be like, oh, like it's affecting me 641 00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:01,920 Speaker 1: or the next going to you, like kind of in 642 00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:06,040 Speaker 1: the sense of affecting people's feelings and emotions. I'm sure 643 00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:08,239 Speaker 1: there's a lot more to it than that, but I 644 00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:10,759 Speaker 1: kind of kept myself a little bit more rouse from it. 645 00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:14,439 Speaker 1: But anyway, I don't even know where he got the chart, 646 00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:16,440 Speaker 1: but I know there have to be more people that 647 00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:20,360 Speaker 1: do stuff like tracking it. I don't know how common 648 00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,439 Speaker 1: it is, but anyway, and I guess that might tie 649 00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:27,280 Speaker 1: into with like ostrological size and how that felt changed. 650 00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:30,760 Speaker 1: I mean, I remember reading an article massive sent out 651 00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:35,040 Speaker 1: that was like everything then moved a lot, and yes, 652 00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:40,040 Speaker 1: it still doesn't actually affect you at all, So I 653 00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:42,719 Speaker 1: don't I remember when that article is written because it 654 00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:46,200 Speaker 1: kind of cracked it. Anyway, once throw that idea out there. 655 00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:50,799 Speaker 1: I really love listening to you guys. Um I've called 656 00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:54,200 Speaker 1: in before and I apologize. This is like nice. I 657 00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:56,200 Speaker 1: can call to you guys this weekend. But I thought 658 00:40:56,239 --> 00:41:00,360 Speaker 1: this was a would be a really cool topic about 659 00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,560 Speaker 1: because I don't even really understand why my dad did 660 00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:07,600 Speaker 1: it besides having alice system like that. So I'd love 661 00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:10,040 Speaker 1: to hear more about it if you guys were good 662 00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:13,759 Speaker 1: chance do the topic looking for a day to your 663 00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:19,319 Speaker 1: next episode. All right, let me nice. Thank you so much. Yeah, 664 00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:21,200 Speaker 1: that was really great. What a nice send off there 665 00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:25,759 Speaker 1: right at the end. Um, So thank you Stephanieve for 666 00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:29,560 Speaker 1: for sending us that voicemail, for you know, getting us 667 00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:34,680 Speaker 1: to talk about this this topic astrology and horoscopes and 668 00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:38,200 Speaker 1: what's going on in the stars and can that have 669 00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:41,319 Speaker 1: any effect on us a little humans way down here, 670 00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:46,920 Speaker 1: the the bacteria on this rock just scooting around. Well 671 00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:49,839 Speaker 1: maybe a lot of a lot of people believe that 672 00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:53,080 Speaker 1: there's some kind of connection between the stars and humans 673 00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:56,799 Speaker 1: in life itself. On the Earth. Science is a little 674 00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,560 Speaker 1: more skeptical about it, as you could probably imagine, but 675 00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:02,640 Speaker 1: it's something that we can talk about, and I figured, 676 00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:07,040 Speaker 1: why not start at the place where most people learn 677 00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:10,400 Speaker 1: about astrology for the first time, and for me that 678 00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:13,439 Speaker 1: was through horoscopes. I wonder if that was the same 679 00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:19,000 Speaker 1: experience you had been Uh, yes, but not Western horoscopes. 680 00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:26,360 Speaker 1: I had a My introduction to the concept came from 681 00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:32,040 Speaker 1: Chinese astrology and horoscopes, which there's a different system. And 682 00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:35,359 Speaker 1: then I used to have I shared this with you 683 00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:38,560 Speaker 1: back in back in the day. Remember what I had 684 00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:44,040 Speaker 1: that program that would calculate your Mayan astrological sign. It's 685 00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:47,880 Speaker 1: like a Mayan horoscope. That was really that was really 686 00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:52,360 Speaker 1: fascinating to me at least because in that belief system, 687 00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:56,719 Speaker 1: it's much less like kid gloves believe in yourself than 688 00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:00,840 Speaker 1: a lot of other astrological systems. Because as there were, 689 00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:04,400 Speaker 1: um in some mes of American cultures. You know, there's 690 00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:08,879 Speaker 1: no belief in accident, right um. And I don't want 691 00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:11,040 Speaker 1: to conflate the Aztec in the Maya, but there was 692 00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:16,040 Speaker 1: a there was this idea that if you, for instance, 693 00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:18,320 Speaker 1: were out on a hunting trip and you accidentally killed 694 00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,920 Speaker 1: one of your colleagues or injured them, you would be 695 00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,040 Speaker 1: punished as though you would plan to do so and 696 00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:27,680 Speaker 1: did it on purpose. And when you read the Mayan horoscopes, 697 00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:31,760 Speaker 1: it is possible simply to be born on a cursed 698 00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:34,879 Speaker 1: day and you will get instead of something like, oh, 699 00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:39,279 Speaker 1: you're incredibly special because sometimes you want to do things 700 00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:41,520 Speaker 1: and you do them, and sometimes you want to do 701 00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:46,319 Speaker 1: things and you don't watch out her red shoes or 702 00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:49,759 Speaker 1: something like that. The other horoscopes are just like the 703 00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:53,320 Speaker 1: person born on this day is unlucky and has committed 704 00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:57,719 Speaker 1: sins in the past, and therefore they're here for punishment 705 00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:02,080 Speaker 1: things like that. Anything they do is cannot redeem this. Wow, 706 00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:05,600 Speaker 1: that's intense. Um I was. I was giving a spotlight 707 00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:07,680 Speaker 1: for any video viewers that can see us on my 708 00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:11,440 Speaker 1: mind calendar back there, just because I thought, um but 709 00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:16,280 Speaker 1: I wanna. I'm gonna read you a Leo horoscope for 710 00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:19,239 Speaker 1: for right now, for today as we're recording this. Oh 711 00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,399 Speaker 1: so this is this is for all of us then, 712 00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:24,160 Speaker 1: because in the Western system all three of us are 713 00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:27,480 Speaker 1: considered Leo's I believe that's correct. The current version, there 714 00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:30,880 Speaker 1: is a thirteenth astrological side where there was weird story. 715 00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:33,800 Speaker 1: We're gonna get to that. Um So here it is, 716 00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:37,399 Speaker 1: you're ready for all you Leo's out there, including US March. 717 00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:42,120 Speaker 1: According to horoscope dot Com, money that you may have 718 00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:44,680 Speaker 1: been hoping to use to better your living or working 719 00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:50,160 Speaker 1: condition could suddenly come your way today. Leo. Ideas for 720 00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:52,480 Speaker 1: how to put it to work in the most efficient, 721 00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:56,000 Speaker 1: satisfying way could pop into your mind quickly. You'll probably 722 00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:59,120 Speaker 1: want to write them down, consider your options carefully, and 723 00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:02,239 Speaker 1: then choose the one that suit your needs best. Go 724 00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:06,160 Speaker 1: to it. So you could make some money today that 725 00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:08,520 Speaker 1: you've been trying to get, and you could have an 726 00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:10,839 Speaker 1: idea about how to use it, but you should write 727 00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:17,279 Speaker 1: it down, and hey, congratulations to you bro nice that 728 00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:21,359 Speaker 1: this is so. This is an example. I don't know. 729 00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:23,480 Speaker 1: I think I may have talked about this before, but 730 00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:27,719 Speaker 1: I I used to have a gig of freelancing where 731 00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:34,520 Speaker 1: I wrote horoscopes for a very small paper and you 732 00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:38,680 Speaker 1: know I did not I did due diligence, right. They 733 00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:41,280 Speaker 1: just wanted reports on what are called the sun signs. 734 00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:45,120 Speaker 1: They need a twelve parisue and you know I would 735 00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:49,160 Speaker 1: do little things like theme have Halloween themed horoscopes, things 736 00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:52,239 Speaker 1: like that. It's very fun to write. Um, but got 737 00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:55,640 Speaker 1: a I got a lot of correspondence that really surprised 738 00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:59,200 Speaker 1: me when people were saying things like, you know, thank goodness, 739 00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:02,600 Speaker 1: I read this. It was incredibly helpful in one way 740 00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:05,719 Speaker 1: or another. And there we go into the nature of 741 00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:09,680 Speaker 1: the of belief, because if you believe something works and 742 00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:12,600 Speaker 1: you're not harming yourself and you're not harming other people, 743 00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:17,680 Speaker 1: then full power to you, you know, Stephanie. I know 744 00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:21,759 Speaker 1: we're taking a second to get to your questions, you know, 745 00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:26,600 Speaker 1: but we're fascinated by this. We have been by fascinated 746 00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:29,960 Speaker 1: by these systems, Western non western for a long time. 747 00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:36,200 Speaker 1: I have a I have a theory, Matt Noel, doctor, 748 00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:41,759 Speaker 1: that I think could just pot possibly many asterixs, possibly 749 00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:48,280 Speaker 1: explain the mechanism through which the stars and the heavens 750 00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:52,600 Speaker 1: and the movements of the planets could maybe affect the 751 00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:55,640 Speaker 1: human mind. And I tried to be really rational about it, 752 00:46:55,960 --> 00:47:00,760 Speaker 1: and I tried to, you know, be open minded. So first, 753 00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:04,239 Speaker 1: we don't really understand how gravity works. We know what 754 00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:07,920 Speaker 1: it does, but that that's it. Um, we don't understand 755 00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:12,000 Speaker 1: a whole lot about gravity. We also don't understand a 756 00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:16,600 Speaker 1: ton about the human brain in certain aspects this, and 757 00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:22,120 Speaker 1: we don't understand a ton about the development of a 758 00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:26,120 Speaker 1: human in the embryonic stage. Right there, we still have 759 00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:34,560 Speaker 1: questions regarding things like umature, consciousness, the nature of consciousness. Perfect, yes, 760 00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:39,160 Speaker 1: how does consciousness form? When? When? Why? It's what degree? 761 00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:41,920 Speaker 1: And then also we I mean, we don't even really 762 00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:45,040 Speaker 1: know what will happen if a child is conceived and 763 00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:48,680 Speaker 1: birthed in space. That they're evolved. What I'm saying, they're 764 00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:54,239 Speaker 1: evolved for a very specific gravitational environment. And we know 765 00:47:54,480 --> 00:48:00,080 Speaker 1: that the actions, the movements of non terrestrial objects and 766 00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:04,960 Speaker 1: to a degree effect have a gravitational effect on this 767 00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:08,279 Speaker 1: planet and all the things living on it. So is 768 00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:11,840 Speaker 1: it I know we're walking a very like tapering branch. 769 00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:15,080 Speaker 1: This is great. Then the tapering branches is exactly where 770 00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:17,160 Speaker 1: we need to be. Because I've got something to share 771 00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:19,600 Speaker 1: with you. I don't think you I don't think you've 772 00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:21,080 Speaker 1: heard this yet. Okay, Well, it's just sew it up 773 00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:23,759 Speaker 1: real quick. Is it possible, like if the moon can 774 00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:26,440 Speaker 1: affect tides, right, that is it? Given that has proven? 775 00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:30,480 Speaker 1: Is it possible that massive objects can exert some kind 776 00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:35,680 Speaker 1: of uh very small gravitational effect on the planet. And 777 00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:40,440 Speaker 1: then is it possible that that gravitational effect could somehow 778 00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:45,719 Speaker 1: influence uh formative stages of the human brain in what 779 00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:49,839 Speaker 1: we would later call, you know, personality or consciousness. Have 780 00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:52,600 Speaker 1: no proof of this. This is this was like literally 781 00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:57,240 Speaker 1: me several years ago, probably like two beers deep thinking 782 00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:01,960 Speaker 1: about maybe at the time, I got to like, what 783 00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:05,160 Speaker 1: if maybe it was five? Who knows? Um? But yeah, 784 00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:07,200 Speaker 1: so that's that's how I tried to explain some of 785 00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:10,960 Speaker 1: this stuff to myself. We know that we know that 786 00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:16,480 Speaker 1: tons of people use astrological services now you can get 787 00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:19,560 Speaker 1: in the forms of apps, but also may print out 788 00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:22,360 Speaker 1: these charts in an attempt to get a better understanding 789 00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:26,160 Speaker 1: of themselves, their loved ones, um an idea of when 790 00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:30,319 Speaker 1: they should do something or what they should do. We 791 00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:32,359 Speaker 1: we know that a lot of world leaders have been 792 00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:36,200 Speaker 1: influenced by this. The military junta of Myanmar relocated their 793 00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:39,719 Speaker 1: capital some years back on the advice of an astrologer, 794 00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:43,600 Speaker 1: and Ronald Reagan had an astrologer. It's people from all 795 00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:45,600 Speaker 1: walks of life, is what I'm saying. I believe in 796 00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:49,759 Speaker 1: practice this that's correct, and I want you to hear this, 797 00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:53,680 Speaker 1: Ben and everyone listening. We had a question in there 798 00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:57,280 Speaker 1: are a comment in there from Stephanie about kind of predictions. 799 00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:59,640 Speaker 1: One of the reasons that you would have charts and 800 00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:01,640 Speaker 1: everything to kind of get a sense of what may 801 00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:06,360 Speaker 1: be coming well astrology dot com. He went to horoscope 802 00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:10,440 Speaker 1: dot com. Now we're at astrology dot com. They posted 803 00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:18,960 Speaker 1: in December December thirty one an article called Astrology Predictions 804 00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:22,200 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Age of Light speed Change. Okay, you 805 00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:26,480 Speaker 1: can find this. It's by a person named Gray G. R. A. Y. Crawford. 806 00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:32,000 Speaker 1: In this there's one thing that I'm gonna point to, 807 00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:35,120 Speaker 1: and it doesn't mean that the whole thing is correct, 808 00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:38,759 Speaker 1: but this one thing is pretty astounding. I'm gonna read 809 00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:40,520 Speaker 1: you part of the first paragraph, and then I'm gonna 810 00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:44,600 Speaker 1: jump down. The year enters with the propulsive force of 811 00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:48,200 Speaker 1: a new era, announcing itself as the immense impact of 812 00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:52,560 Speaker 1: the great conjunction between Jupiter and Saturn, Inaquarius ripples outward. 813 00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:55,479 Speaker 1: While we had to grieve the end of an old 814 00:50:55,520 --> 00:51:00,600 Speaker 1: era in twenty while enduring difficult birth contractions, collectively, astrology 815 00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:05,240 Speaker 1: of one will require continuously adapting to the far reaching 816 00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:09,640 Speaker 1: changes that will be erupting across all aspects of society. 817 00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:12,200 Speaker 1: The closeness of Jupiter and Saturn in the sky at 818 00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:14,520 Speaker 1: the beginning of the year will serve as a guiding 819 00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:18,040 Speaker 1: star of hope for creating the reforms and innovative solutions 820 00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:22,440 Speaker 1: needed to address the numerous societal issues and inequities that 821 00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:25,520 Speaker 1: have been exposed during the past year of the global pandemic. 822 00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:29,120 Speaker 1: Now I'm jumping down a few paragraphs here, are you 823 00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:34,040 Speaker 1: ready for this? January begins with a big bang, as 824 00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:38,880 Speaker 1: Mars will enter Taurusts on January six and spend the 825 00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:43,160 Speaker 1: rest of the month amplifying the volatile tensions brewing between Jupiter, 826 00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:50,440 Speaker 1: Saturn and Urinous there will I I just I'm just 827 00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:53,879 Speaker 1: laughing because I was delighted when we were like, we're 828 00:51:53,920 --> 00:52:03,799 Speaker 1: not going to straight up say but likely, but January six. 829 00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:07,080 Speaker 1: What happened on January six? Man, Well, the US capital 830 00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:12,560 Speaker 1: was stormed for the first time in a long long time, 831 00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:17,120 Speaker 1: and it was thoroughly stormed, right and yeah, and just 832 00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:24,879 Speaker 1: conceptually Mars entering tourists, I don't know, they're something about that. Uh, 833 00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:29,920 Speaker 1: that's crazy to me, that's crazy. Yeah. So So the 834 00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:36,120 Speaker 1: idea then, is to what degree can astrological practices predict 835 00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:41,160 Speaker 1: real world events on a macro or micro scale. People 836 00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:48,520 Speaker 1: definitely do believe this, and there there are numerous historical examples. Right. 837 00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:53,400 Speaker 1: The thing about astrology is whether you consider yourself more skeptical, 838 00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:57,320 Speaker 1: whether you consider yourself a true believer. You can easily 839 00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:00,959 Speaker 1: admit that multiple cultures across the world and across time 840 00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:06,520 Speaker 1: independently either invented this or discovered this, invented or discovered 841 00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:10,520 Speaker 1: some version thereof. And your verb choice there depends on 842 00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:14,560 Speaker 1: your personal beliefs. I would I would argue, Um, yeah, 843 00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:18,160 Speaker 1: that is a coincidence. That's a is there such thing 844 00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:22,960 Speaker 1: as coincidence? Bro, that's like part of a conspiracy mantra, 845 00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:26,840 Speaker 1: the conspiracy realism. Like, it's weird to me that we 846 00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:31,879 Speaker 1: can that my brain cognitively can have this belief that 847 00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:35,640 Speaker 1: there really is no coincidence. Like it's tough to really 848 00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:40,160 Speaker 1: get a good coincidence. Um, that didn't have some kind 849 00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:43,279 Speaker 1: of guiding hand way in the background even or just 850 00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:48,280 Speaker 1: you know, immediately in the front of whatever action occurred. Um, 851 00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:53,200 Speaker 1: but I have that belief. But then also this astrology 852 00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:55,560 Speaker 1: and prediction in this way using the stars or charts 853 00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:59,520 Speaker 1: feels like hogwashed me. That's my personal opinion. It feels 854 00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:04,240 Speaker 1: like pseudoscience to me and the you know, the vast 855 00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:09,520 Speaker 1: majority of scientists and researchers and educated individuals out there 856 00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:14,080 Speaker 1: at those upper echelons would have probably agree with that. Um, 857 00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:18,000 Speaker 1: especially those at NASA. Talk to the people who deal 858 00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:21,319 Speaker 1: with space a lot um and they put out, oh, 859 00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:24,160 Speaker 1: there's a Time article that you can read. Uh, and 860 00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:27,520 Speaker 1: it is NASA has no time for your astrology. Nonsense. 861 00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:30,280 Speaker 1: That's the Time article that you can read. Yeah, pretty 862 00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:36,640 Speaker 1: yeah that's actually from NASA. That is from Time. Okay, okay, yeah, 863 00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:43,520 Speaker 1: that's a quote from NASA. Yeah, that press release. Alright. No, 864 00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:45,680 Speaker 1: they did not, They just say, could they? They let 865 00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:48,920 Speaker 1: everyone down pretty gently. There are other great places you 866 00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:52,520 Speaker 1: can go to that say the same kind of thing. 867 00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:57,920 Speaker 1: There's a website with Berkeley, the College of Berkeley. Uh. 868 00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:02,600 Speaker 1: The website is understanding sign. It's let's see I think 869 00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:05,719 Speaker 1: it's U N D S C I dot Berkeley dot 870 00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:09,360 Speaker 1: e d U. They've got a really great little snapshot 871 00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:11,719 Speaker 1: on their website where it just talks to you about, well, 872 00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:15,279 Speaker 1: you know, is astrology, is it scientific or not. It's 873 00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:18,040 Speaker 1: almost like it looks like a workbook that you would find, 874 00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:22,040 Speaker 1: you know, in grade school or something. But it's pretty great. 875 00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:24,359 Speaker 1: Because it just gives you these bullet points of like, well, 876 00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:27,239 Speaker 1: here's why a lot of people don't think it's scientific, 877 00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:29,520 Speaker 1: here's why a lot of people believe in it. I 878 00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:32,040 Speaker 1: really really appreciate what they did there was there is 879 00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:36,000 Speaker 1: there any particular point there that really swayed you away from, 880 00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:40,120 Speaker 1: away from or towards your hogwash position. Um, it's more 881 00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:44,880 Speaker 1: in that it's it's impossible right now, at least to 882 00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:49,400 Speaker 1: the best of our understanding. It's impossible to test things 883 00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:54,600 Speaker 1: in astrology. Possible, but it's illegal area that there would 884 00:55:54,600 --> 00:56:03,080 Speaker 1: be human experimentation. Okay, longitudinal study. Uh sure, get people 885 00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:06,520 Speaker 1: from the same genetic background, make all the variables except 886 00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:11,680 Speaker 1: for birth time and location as as close to uniform 887 00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:16,520 Speaker 1: as you can, and then somehow, in trying to say 888 00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:19,960 Speaker 1: this to us sounding like a supervillain, somehow ensure that 889 00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:24,239 Speaker 1: children are born at this exact schedule so that you 890 00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:29,000 Speaker 1: can shift the variable. This is no, we shouldn't do this. 891 00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:31,600 Speaker 1: This is not not a good look. I don't think 892 00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:34,680 Speaker 1: that's the right step. But but yeah, it's it's true. 893 00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:37,080 Speaker 1: There's there's a lot of stuff we don't know. Human 894 00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:43,840 Speaker 1: beings often are so good at making patterns funny story, folks, 895 00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:46,800 Speaker 1: And we were just talking about this earlier this morning. 896 00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:51,360 Speaker 1: Uh so good at recognizing patterns because it's an evolution 897 00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:56,440 Speaker 1: It was an evolutionary necessity before humans became the apex predator. 898 00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:02,680 Speaker 1: This stays with every human being. You are a pattern 899 00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:10,320 Speaker 1: analyzing master, and it's easy, sometimes dangerously easy, for people 900 00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:15,439 Speaker 1: to create a pattern in their head while they're they're 901 00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:20,000 Speaker 1: searching to discover one. This doesn't mean that people are 902 00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:24,120 Speaker 1: practicing astrology in some cynical way or bad faith. I 903 00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:27,360 Speaker 1: think all of us in the audience, no, at least 904 00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:30,920 Speaker 1: at least a few people who are very well read 905 00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:34,520 Speaker 1: in one of these systems or another and very much 906 00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:38,240 Speaker 1: believe it. Um and I would say, out of context, 907 00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:42,560 Speaker 1: this is not weird. But in defense of astrology, uh Matt, 908 00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:47,360 Speaker 1: I proposed that it functions as at times profound tool 909 00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:51,120 Speaker 1: for psychological inventory. You know what I mean. You're learning 910 00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:56,080 Speaker 1: about how you react to this information, and that's valuable. Yeah, 911 00:57:56,320 --> 00:58:00,440 Speaker 1: And it's exactly and at least in the Western dial 912 00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:03,800 Speaker 1: of things like horoscopes and checking your charts and things 913 00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:05,880 Speaker 1: on some of those apps you mentioned, it seems to 914 00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:09,840 Speaker 1: have a profound positive effect on the individual because it's 915 00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:15,160 Speaker 1: almost always encouraging, um, at least at least what I've encountered. 916 00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:17,560 Speaker 1: So so again, like, if you can use it in 917 00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:20,800 Speaker 1: that way, even if you don't necessarily believe that it 918 00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:23,720 Speaker 1: has an actual one to one relationship with what's going 919 00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:25,760 Speaker 1: to occur in your life, if you can use it 920 00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:28,440 Speaker 1: in a way to enhance your life, then jeez, that's 921 00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:31,640 Speaker 1: that's amazing. And I'm also not pooh poo pooing astrology. 922 00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:33,960 Speaker 1: I'm telling you what I believe just currently, Like I 923 00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:38,800 Speaker 1: hope everybody understands that. But you know, if you're if 924 00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:40,840 Speaker 1: you're really into it and you're interested, you want to 925 00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:43,400 Speaker 1: learn more, There's a place you can go online called 926 00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:47,720 Speaker 1: Astrology University dot com and you can get a degree. 927 00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:51,840 Speaker 1: There are programs of study there there. Um, they are 928 00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:54,080 Speaker 1: all kinds. Yeah, I don't know how much it costs, 929 00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:57,520 Speaker 1: and maybe really expensive. I have no idea. I'm not 930 00:58:57,680 --> 00:59:00,000 Speaker 1: promoting them. But you can go there and you can 931 00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:03,440 Speaker 1: a four year training program if you want, and you know, 932 00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:09,520 Speaker 1: be the best astrologer you can. I think that's I 933 00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:12,160 Speaker 1: think that's a cool thing. I I don't know about 934 00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:15,800 Speaker 1: you all. I always enjoy it when my when my 935 00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:21,480 Speaker 1: friends get super into a niche thing and have expertise 936 00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:24,200 Speaker 1: over that. You know, it's such an amazing thing to 937 00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:27,240 Speaker 1: learn about people, you know. Once, once we're on the 938 00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:31,360 Speaker 1: other side of this particular pandemic, before the next pandemic comes, 939 00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:34,720 Speaker 1: We're gonna have so many great conversations with people who 940 00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:38,400 Speaker 1: have picked up some like really weird knowledge in their 941 00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:42,040 Speaker 1: time and quarantine and say hey, how is how are 942 00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:43,880 Speaker 1: you or how's it going. It's such a load of 943 00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:46,640 Speaker 1: question nowadays, but imagine how cool it's going to be 944 00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:48,720 Speaker 1: when you can ask one of your friends, so, hey, 945 00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:51,080 Speaker 1: what did I haven't seen you for over a year, 946 00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:53,920 Speaker 1: what did you get into and think, well, you know, 947 00:59:54,040 --> 00:59:57,360 Speaker 1: I was um putting together a model trained for my 948 00:59:57,480 --> 01:00:01,360 Speaker 1: kid and Christmas. People still do that and uh, and 949 01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:04,240 Speaker 1: now I know everything about trains in the eight hundreds. 950 01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:11,960 Speaker 1: Ask me anything track gage, the dangers of steam. Uh yeah, 951 01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:13,520 Speaker 1: and well what have you been up to? Oh? I'm 952 01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:17,360 Speaker 1: a racky master now. So yeah, By the way, if 953 01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:21,400 Speaker 1: anyone knows anything about raiky, I'm super interested. I'd love 954 01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:24,920 Speaker 1: to talk with somebody, Just reach out. I love to know. 955 01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:28,840 Speaker 1: Just can you actually do it through this? Like cold? 956 01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:33,680 Speaker 1: Can you raiky energy through a camera into somebody's body 957 01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:36,360 Speaker 1: and then back to the camera the way you can, uh, 958 01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:40,320 Speaker 1: the way you can send vibes if you're a televangelist. Yeah, like, 959 01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:43,120 Speaker 1: can you do that? I'm not saying. I'm not saying 960 01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:47,120 Speaker 1: you can or can't. I'm just interested. Uh. Anyway, same 961 01:00:47,160 --> 01:00:49,600 Speaker 1: thing with with a lot of these a lot of 962 01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:53,720 Speaker 1: the things that are occurring in this new always online 963 01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:58,080 Speaker 1: kind of environment. Can you transfer something electronically in that way? 964 01:00:58,520 --> 01:01:03,760 Speaker 1: Sigils those astrology very key. I guess astrology is different 965 01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:06,720 Speaker 1: because you're you're encountering the information in a mundane way. 966 01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:09,720 Speaker 1: You're reading it right, and it's proven that people can read. 967 01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:13,640 Speaker 1: Uh what what would another one be? It couldn't Acupuncture 968 01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:17,880 Speaker 1: wouldn't work. You have to be physically there. Yeah, hypnosis 969 01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:22,200 Speaker 1: maybe could you hypnotize people? That's completely different. I think 970 01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:24,760 Speaker 1: that's a little too different. Yeah. Does the low quality 971 01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:28,920 Speaker 1: mono audio of a zoom call like this, does it 972 01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:31,720 Speaker 1: allow for hypnosis? I don't know. Is this probably an 973 01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:35,560 Speaker 1: option somewhere in preferences where you can check enable hypnosis? 974 01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:41,280 Speaker 1: Preferences on these things are crazy, but but yeah, just 975 01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:45,720 Speaker 1: your point, Stephanie, People do, like I I personally know 976 01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:50,360 Speaker 1: some people who create astrological charts, and they're very by 977 01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:53,000 Speaker 1: the book, They're very in depth. They're the kind of 978 01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:56,240 Speaker 1: people who will get a little annoyed if you if 979 01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:58,480 Speaker 1: they say, hey, I want to do your astrological chart, 980 01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:02,360 Speaker 1: and you say, all right, I was born sometime in 981 01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:06,280 Speaker 1: August such and such, and they'll say that's not enough. 982 01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:09,960 Speaker 1: I need the exact time, I need the hospitals or 983 01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:13,080 Speaker 1: you know, the coordinates, the latitude and longitude. And then 984 01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:14,720 Speaker 1: if you make the mistake to say, well, what does 985 01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:16,640 Speaker 1: that matter, then the answer you will get is it 986 01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:20,200 Speaker 1: all matters. And the reason that people some people are 987 01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:24,280 Speaker 1: much more skeptical about astrology is because simply put the 988 01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:27,800 Speaker 1: belief as they're doing it wrong. I you know, I 989 01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:32,040 Speaker 1: don't know. The issue is if I'm assuming the skeptical side. 990 01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:39,360 Speaker 1: The issue is here that if if this understanding were sound, reproducible, 991 01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:43,040 Speaker 1: and everybody agreed this was so, then it would be 992 01:02:43,080 --> 01:02:48,520 Speaker 1: the kind of technology that would always be used by 993 01:02:48,800 --> 01:02:56,400 Speaker 1: corporations and governments and various other institutions, right like banks 994 01:02:56,520 --> 01:03:00,520 Speaker 1: with time stuff based on what they were able to 995 01:03:00,760 --> 01:03:04,360 Speaker 1: divine from the stars. Maybe they are and maybe we 996 01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:06,960 Speaker 1: just don't know. I mean, we gave two examples of 997 01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:12,720 Speaker 1: governments and government figures that did consider astrology when making 998 01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:15,560 Speaker 1: policy decisions. But that doesn't seem to be the case 999 01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:18,320 Speaker 1: for everybody. I don't know. I don't know, man. Maybe 1000 01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:22,080 Speaker 1: maybe there's a secret cabal of astrologers. They're the real 1001 01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:25,360 Speaker 1: power in the world. I don't I don't know, man. 1002 01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:29,040 Speaker 1: So we Hey, we started this segment with a horoscope 1003 01:03:29,040 --> 01:03:32,320 Speaker 1: for Leo's right from horoscope dot Com. I'm gonna end 1004 01:03:33,120 --> 01:03:38,400 Speaker 1: with a sentence from the astrology dot com horoscope for 1005 01:03:38,560 --> 01:03:43,920 Speaker 1: Marche for Leo's you ready. I think it is specifically 1006 01:03:43,960 --> 01:03:48,160 Speaker 1: aimed at us. An electric opposition with uranus brings fourth 1007 01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:53,840 Speaker 1: downloads at lightning speed, Leo Wild. Yeah. Also, the one 1008 01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:56,240 Speaker 1: thing a lot of people who probably william for us 1009 01:03:56,240 --> 01:04:01,120 Speaker 1: to bring up, why don't why why are so many 1010 01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:05,520 Speaker 1: astral horoscopes? Why are so many horoscopes from one source 1011 01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:08,680 Speaker 1: or another so very different on a given day, You 1012 01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:10,800 Speaker 1: know what I mean, it's a fair question. Ask. I 1013 01:04:11,080 --> 01:04:14,880 Speaker 1: really thought the opposition of your anus bringing forth downloads 1014 01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:16,840 Speaker 1: was going to make you laugh, Ben, And I'm sorry 1015 01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:19,320 Speaker 1: to know I took it seriously. I try not to 1016 01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:22,920 Speaker 1: try not to constantly crack off at this. I I 1017 01:04:23,040 --> 01:04:26,800 Speaker 1: do have to ask Matt, and I apologize. There's a 1018 01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:30,720 Speaker 1: dumb question. What does that mean exactly? It's gonna bring 1019 01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:34,720 Speaker 1: forth downloads baby at lightning speed, and there's an opposition 1020 01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:38,920 Speaker 1: with your anus, so I don't know something to do 1021 01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:41,800 Speaker 1: with that. So and it's electric too, so oh I 1022 01:04:41,800 --> 01:04:45,840 Speaker 1: had I did have some WiFi problems when last we recorded. 1023 01:04:46,200 --> 01:04:48,520 Speaker 1: Is that it is that are the stars speaking to 1024 01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:52,080 Speaker 1: us about fixing our WiFi? I don't know, dude, Just 1025 01:04:52,080 --> 01:04:55,680 Speaker 1: tune into your intuition, especially while today's moon sales through 1026 01:04:55,720 --> 01:04:59,680 Speaker 1: your astral fourth house of roots, innermost feelings and emotional awareness. 1027 01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:03,520 Speaker 1: You know that speaks to me. I felt. I gotta 1028 01:05:03,560 --> 01:05:07,040 Speaker 1: tell you. I was looking up some at some horoscopes 1029 01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:10,080 Speaker 1: just to see differences between the ones from is we 1030 01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:13,560 Speaker 1: record this, and I know everybody's saying, it's so leo 1031 01:05:13,640 --> 01:05:16,959 Speaker 1: of you guys to just do Leo horoscopes, read mine, 1032 01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:21,080 Speaker 1: you know, read Aquarius, read Torus, etcetera. Um. There was 1033 01:05:21,120 --> 01:05:23,080 Speaker 1: one that made me nervous because it was like, this 1034 01:05:23,160 --> 01:05:25,240 Speaker 1: might sound like something to laugh about, but be extra 1035 01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:28,600 Speaker 1: cautious around your boss today, which I never want to hear. 1036 01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:31,720 Speaker 1: No one wants to hear that. You know what, It 1037 01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:35,360 Speaker 1: says that as the daily bonus for us, ben money 1038 01:05:35,440 --> 01:05:40,320 Speaker 1: changes everything, especially when you don't have it, watch your cash. 1039 01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:45,000 Speaker 1: So okay, another financial thing. So maybe maybe there's a well, 1040 01:05:45,080 --> 01:05:49,640 Speaker 1: certainly there's a matter of people doing these readings, drawing 1041 01:05:49,680 --> 01:05:53,720 Speaker 1: these charts, and then putting it in their own kind 1042 01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:58,240 Speaker 1: of framework or their own sort of presentational style. So 1043 01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:01,200 Speaker 1: the argument would be that would the argument will be 1044 01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:05,320 Speaker 1: that skeptics are objecting to interpretation, not sure the factual basis. 1045 01:06:05,360 --> 01:06:08,520 Speaker 1: But again, I think it's cool. You're not You're not 1046 01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:12,760 Speaker 1: hurting people. Do do be aware though that Um, the 1047 01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:16,280 Speaker 1: story Matt and I mentioned earlier about astrological sign in 1048 01:06:16,280 --> 01:06:19,080 Speaker 1: the West is very much true. So this system did 1049 01:06:19,160 --> 01:06:23,040 Speaker 1: change right over time. It did. Well, hey, we've gone 1050 01:06:23,080 --> 01:06:24,960 Speaker 1: way too long been we got to end it right here. 1051 01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:28,440 Speaker 1: Oh good lord. In this episode, the pollen in Atlanta 1052 01:06:28,560 --> 01:06:32,920 Speaker 1: right now has just covered everything. My god. Uh, and 1053 01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:35,240 Speaker 1: it is hitting me really hard today. I'm so sorry. 1054 01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:38,080 Speaker 1: Might have to feel my nose running. It's disgusting. Wait 1055 01:06:38,080 --> 01:06:41,720 Speaker 1: wait a second, we've got something here from Doc Holiday. Uh. 1056 01:06:42,080 --> 01:06:45,720 Speaker 1: Doc says I was telling you else, so bad. Doc 1057 01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:48,200 Speaker 1: says I don't really believe in these. Let me get 1058 01:06:48,200 --> 01:06:51,480 Speaker 1: my liberal horoscope after the episode. What do you say, Man, No, 1059 01:06:51,640 --> 01:06:54,960 Speaker 1: we gotta do right there? Yeah, all right, let's go. 1060 01:06:55,320 --> 01:06:58,920 Speaker 1: Do you want to go few horoscopes dot com or 1061 01:06:59,480 --> 01:07:04,600 Speaker 1: go to one? Gonna go to astrology dot com best horoscopes. 1062 01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:09,280 Speaker 1: We'll see where that takes. All right, I'm gonna I'm 1063 01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:13,080 Speaker 1: gonna start here. You ready, doc. As a Libra, you're 1064 01:07:13,120 --> 01:07:17,480 Speaker 1: cosmically guided by the bond building planet Venus. Today's sky 1065 01:07:17,560 --> 01:07:21,040 Speaker 1: see Venus in a well supported alignment with stable Saturn 1066 01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:25,440 Speaker 1: helping you ground down and explore realistic opportunities for connection. 1067 01:07:25,600 --> 01:07:28,600 Speaker 1: On the romantic front, It's an ideal day to bring 1068 01:07:28,640 --> 01:07:31,960 Speaker 1: people on board with your creative personal projects or to 1069 01:07:32,040 --> 01:07:35,680 Speaker 1: have a serious conversation about a relationship's future as an 1070 01:07:35,680 --> 01:07:40,120 Speaker 1: air of commitment and follow through is present. That's nice one. 1071 01:07:40,240 --> 01:07:45,200 Speaker 1: I like that. Uh, I am over at something called 1072 01:07:46,080 --> 01:07:50,600 Speaker 1: astro talk dot com. Let's see what they have to say. 1073 01:07:51,120 --> 01:07:53,160 Speaker 1: Oh no, wait, no, let's go to a better one. 1074 01:07:53,320 --> 01:07:56,360 Speaker 1: This is whoa is weird? Okay, whoa whoa? Whoa. At 1075 01:07:56,360 --> 01:07:59,480 Speaker 1: the end of this one, it's talking about again opposition 1076 01:07:59,600 --> 01:08:03,800 Speaker 1: to electric electric uranus in your erotic eighth house. This 1077 01:08:03,880 --> 01:08:07,120 Speaker 1: is I don't understand some of the do uranus is 1078 01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:11,720 Speaker 1: blowing up these days. Huh. All right, as as you said, 1079 01:08:11,720 --> 01:08:15,360 Speaker 1: Matt Horoscope dot Com. Uh, this sot of scope, says 1080 01:08:16,320 --> 01:08:19,360 Speaker 1: Doc Holiday. That's weird. Have your name in here, Doc Holiday. 1081 01:08:19,439 --> 01:08:23,479 Speaker 1: Information received today excites your imagination and encourages you to 1082 01:08:23,560 --> 01:08:28,479 Speaker 1: start a new artistic or creative project. Stories, pictures, abstract 1083 01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:31,519 Speaker 1: concepts all could come together in your mind and form 1084 01:08:31,560 --> 01:08:34,679 Speaker 1: an inspired idea that could change your life. So gird 1085 01:08:34,720 --> 01:08:37,559 Speaker 1: your Lloyd's, write down your thoughts and see where it 1086 01:08:37,600 --> 01:08:42,519 Speaker 1: all takes you. You might be surprised by what you produce. Amazing. 1087 01:08:43,520 --> 01:08:45,719 Speaker 1: Here's the last part from mine, just to tack onto 1088 01:08:45,720 --> 01:08:48,120 Speaker 1: Ben's because I think it's perfect it says dear Libra. 1089 01:08:48,320 --> 01:08:51,559 Speaker 1: Your effort is much appreciated in your line of work. 1090 01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:54,600 Speaker 1: It's time for you to fully appreciate what you have 1091 01:08:54,760 --> 01:08:57,639 Speaker 1: to bring to the table too. We couldn't agree more. 1092 01:08:57,760 --> 01:09:01,559 Speaker 1: Heck yeah, what what a great place to end. Uh 1093 01:09:02,560 --> 01:09:05,519 Speaker 1: We ended out a positive note. Thank you as always 1094 01:09:05,560 --> 01:09:09,439 Speaker 1: everybody for tuning in. Uh. That's our show for today. 1095 01:09:09,800 --> 01:09:11,720 Speaker 1: We hope you enjoyed it. 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