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Speaker 2: Welcome to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking true

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Speaker 2: crime all the time. It's Wednesday, December tenth, everybody, and yes,

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Speaker 2: we have a stacked night of headlines.

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Speaker 3: So many things to get to.

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Speaker 2: Huge development in the case against David the pop star.

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Speaker 2: We've been talking about this so much. Fourteen year old

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Speaker 2: Celeste revs Hernandez. Perhaps she will have justice soon? Will

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Speaker 2: there be an arrest? Also, body per your request. Last night,

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Speaker 2: we are finally getting those unsealed twenty nineteen Epstein documents.

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Speaker 3: They were listening.

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Speaker 2: This is major. They were listening, so we have so

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Speaker 2: much to unpack with that. And then also this Diddy

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Speaker 2: documentary Do not get me started. Everyone desperate to talk

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Speaker 2: about it more than words can say. So I'm waiting

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Speaker 2: for everybody to catch up. But I can say a

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Speaker 2: few of you guys have seen you.

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Speaker 4: Most of it. I'm so proud.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how everyone's found at the time, but

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Speaker 2: I personally really appreciate it. And also powerful, powerful testimony

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Speaker 2: in the accused wife killer trial Brian Walsh, including some

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Speaker 2: new details about what happened on that infamous New Year's Eve.

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Speaker 2: And plus it's Wednesday, our most favorite trial attorney, Jarrett

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Speaker 2: Farentino is here to break down all of the cases

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Speaker 2: we just discussed, and also the Luigi Mangioni case. We

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Speaker 2: know we've all had lots of questions throughout the week.

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Speaker 2: We've gotten yours as well, so thank you for the talkbacks.

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Speaker 2: We will be getting to them as quickly as possible.

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Speaker 2: I'm Stephanie Leidecker here with my True Crime mates Courtney

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Speaker 2: Armstrong and body move it.

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Speaker 3: What's up? What's up? Court You good? Awesome, I'm ditty

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Speaker 3: it up, I tell you what. We're all a little

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Speaker 3: bit up, yes, very very fired up.

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Speaker 2: And of course we have producer Taha and Sam and

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Speaker 2: Adam in the control room. I'm so gang. We got

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Speaker 2: Jared Farantino in the house. Welcome jareded and yeah, we're

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Speaker 2: all a little ready to rumble. So let's start with

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Speaker 2: the talk.

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Speaker 5: Hey, True crimton I, it's Corey recording in New York

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Speaker 5: City for a quick talkback, and i'd love your thoughts on.

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Speaker 6: The David case.

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Speaker 5: To my understanding, this case is all circumstantial. But what

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Speaker 5: I keep wondering is could other aspects, like the concealment

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Speaker 5: of Celeste's body, or his involvement with Celeste, who was

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Speaker 5: a fourteen year old girl, be pursued on their own

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Speaker 5: and could that help push the murder investigation forward.

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Speaker 3: I'd love to hear your take. Oh my gosh, great talkbout,

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Speaker 3: Such a good talkback.

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Speaker 7: So he's in this relationship, he's you know, he's he's

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Speaker 7: twenty something years old, and he's in this relationship with

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Speaker 3: Old girl allegedly.

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Speaker 7: Right, his friends all thought they were in a romantic relationship,

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Speaker 7: you know, they thought she was a student at USC,

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Speaker 7: they thought she was nineteen.

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Speaker 3: Didn't think anything of it.

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Speaker 7: Oh my gosh, she's not only is she under age,

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Speaker 7: but you know, she's found in the front of his tesla.

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Speaker 7: Can the State of California pursue charges against him for

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Speaker 7: that relationship, the concealment of her body, arrest him, hold

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Speaker 7: him in jail, and work on the murder investigation while

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Speaker 7: all that's going on.

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Speaker 4: Yes, great question. We're desperate for the answer.

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Speaker 8: What do you think, Jared, you're starting off with an

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Speaker 8: easy one tonight, right.

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Speaker 3: Gee, that's a question, but a good question, it's a

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Speaker 8: The short answer is yes, you can break up these

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Speaker 8: investigations with the hopes that you break through the wall

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Speaker 8: that is surrounding David right now, start getting people talking.

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Speaker 8: Put him provided he's guilty of these things. Right, it

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Speaker 8: looks like their relationship appears to be more than friends, Okay,

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Speaker 8: and people are recording they were romantically involved. If that's

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Speaker 8: the case, a crime was committed. If he was involved

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Speaker 8: in her dismemberment, and the concealment of her body also

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Speaker 8: a separate crime. But as we discussed last week, as

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Speaker 8: a prosecutor, you may want to do these things together.

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Speaker 8: So as you look, we don't run on time or money.

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Speaker 8: I understand people get impatient, but the case, as you

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Speaker 8: put these things together take time. I would want all

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Speaker 8: the entire situation. They were romantically involved, potentially that led

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Speaker 8: It is part of a large story. So strategically you

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Speaker 7: They see the totality of all the evidence presented at once.

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Speaker 8: Rightly, because if you're prosecuting him, imagine he's accused and

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Speaker 8: charged with this murder, their relationship and the aftermath are

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Speaker 8: one hundred percent critical components of the case anyway.

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Speaker 2: Right, makes total sense. But one added layer to that

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Speaker 2: that I'm just so curious about. It does, in fact seem,

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Speaker 2: based on reports that we're seeing today, that David the

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Speaker 2: it is a homicide. Right, So that's a big step

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Speaker 2: forward because we've all been waiting for some of this information,

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Speaker 2: and you know, likely it seems like there is an

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Speaker 2: rundown of what happened today. All that to be said,

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Speaker 2: if this is a person who could have killed fourteen

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Speaker 2: you know, abbreviated trunk in a tesla and toss her

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Speaker 2: doesn't that make him dangerous to society. Like the idea

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Speaker 2: to me that they haven't brought them into custody just

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Speaker 8: Well, Stephanie, you still are required to prove the crime.

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Speaker 8: There's no doubt anybody capable of those things presents a

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Speaker 8: danger to society. And that's something you can argue at

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Speaker 8: his bail hearing if we get there, because someone is

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Speaker 8: under investigation for a pretty awful crime, they cannot be

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Speaker 8: else and say easy, we could put like remember John

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Speaker 8: I don't know that you want to play those kind

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Speaker 4: Totally fair.

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Speaker 9: I have one question on that, if I may, sure,

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Speaker 9: if understanding you don't know the inside investigation, you are not,

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Speaker 9: This, would a suspect be being watched by investigators?

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Speaker 3: Would they be being tailed he could.

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Speaker 8: Dig I mean potentially, yeah, I would imagine he's being

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Speaker 8: It's entirely possible. I mean, I've been part of investigations

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Speaker 8: But yes, I mean, it would be wise to watch

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Speaker 7: You know, Stephanie were talking about it's danger he could

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Speaker 7: possibly pose if he did, in fact, you know, dismember

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Speaker 7: her potentially and put her in this front for many

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Speaker 7: immediately I was like, Brian Wells Junior right on the loose.

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Speaker 2: It's like they're getting another playbook right now by watching

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Speaker 2: the Brian Walstride exactly. You know, that's three year of

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Speaker 2: jail time versus a life sentence is pretty unbelievable, right

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Speaker 2: I No body you were following closely, whatever the new

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Speaker 7: Okay, So there's a couple there's a couple updates there.

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Speaker 7: They're small and they're quick, but they're kind of monumental

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Speaker 7: a little bit, and I kind of want to there's

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Speaker 7: some things that were mentioned that I'm like, oh, what

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Speaker 7: the heck? Okay, So a grand jury witness in the

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Speaker 7: We're refusing to testify and being uncooperative. The witnesses, only

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Speaker 7: discovery of Celestie. Was his body in David's vehicle. So

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Speaker 7: this all went down in like a courtroom hallway. The

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Speaker 7: Evan Jenis Okay. Now she is the attorney for Robert

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Speaker 7: Robert Morgan Roth is David's like manager, he's day to

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Speaker 7: So Evan is out there, she's the lawyer for Robert Okay, who,

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Speaker 7: So it's interesting to note that the attorney for the manager.

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Speaker 7: This Evan Jennis is also the attorney for this witness. Okay,

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Speaker 7: so she's somehow connected to the tour maybe or.

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Speaker 8: Well, that could start to present a problem. So if

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Speaker 8: and then Robert is not giving a problem. Correct, You

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Speaker 8: now have dual clients that are at loggerheads. In one sense,

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Speaker 9: Oo oh, man, if you are just joining us, we're

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Speaker 9: talking about the case of pop star David and how

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Speaker 9: he is a suspect in the murder of Celeste Revs Hernandez.

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Speaker 9: We'd love to hear from you. Ay, day three to

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Speaker 9: one crime and we are being schooled by Jarrett Faar

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Speaker 9: and you know who breaks everything down, No legal ease

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Speaker 3: Body? Was there a couple of other was there another upstate?

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Speaker 3: So Monday?

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Speaker 3: So that was today Monday?

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Speaker 7: The same Robert Morgan rod the you know, he's the

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Speaker 7: day to day manager for David, also testified before their

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Speaker 8: Think more along the lines that's why they're asking the questions.

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Speaker 8: That's going to do to Robert is beat him up. Inside,

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Speaker 3: I mean a plane ticket and go camp out there.

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't do that, But in fact, I whoever overheard

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Speaker 9: We will be following closely and after the break, we're

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Speaker 2: true crime all the time. Stephanie Leidecker here with Courtney Armstrong,

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Speaker 8: Listen.

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Speaker 2: on the show. So this Epstein saga continues, and Jarrett,

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Speaker 2: getting closer to full transparency. Big day, big announcement today, Boddy,

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Speaker 2: you were saying it last night. Why don't we have

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Speaker 4: So or you know, which obviously didn't happen.

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Speaker 2: a federal judge in New York has ordered the release

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Speaker 9: This is the federal case versus the state case in

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Speaker 9: that never was, and we're going to hear the files

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Speaker 9: It's really you know, this was you know, judge three

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Speaker 9: He again emphasized victims' rights, saying that the Act must

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Speaker 3: So this is a really big deal.

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Speaker 3: But that should not be redected.

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Speaker 8: Right, that is true, Stephanie. So it actually specifically lists

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Speaker 8: But they did the right thing. Arment of Justice went

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Speaker 8: Even though you are the Department of Justice, you don't

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Speaker 8: I know we have some cynics among us that I'll

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Speaker 3: I do I know.

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Speaker 2: I don't think it's actually just you. I think there's

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Speaker 2: Who knows what's in these files.

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Speaker 3: It's not like we're looking to catch somebody in the act.

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Speaker 2: I think we're just looking for transparency and for some

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Speaker 4: That's fine.

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Speaker 3: Everybody may have their that's fair, totally fair. No.

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Speaker 7: I mean, if our leaders are, you know, doing this

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Speaker 3: I don't think, you know, I don't want to live

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Speaker 7: You know, we live in the United States of America,

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Speaker 7: I don't want our leaders and you know, people empower

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Speaker 3: Or cover up for somebody else who So if there

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Speaker 7: That are profiting from this kind of thing and getting

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Speaker 9: So, Jared, I have a question or a clarifying question.

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Speaker 9: I was so glad to hear you say that specifically

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Speaker 9: There was something that I believe was written in one

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Speaker 9: of the first two judges in their notes and said that,

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Speaker 9: you know, the Transparency Act still allows the DOJ to

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Speaker 9: withhold or attact certain records, and that includes the victims'

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Speaker 9: identities as we discussed, or invade someone's privacy. So I'm

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Speaker 9: curious how widely that can be.

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Speaker 8: I think the privacy the judge is talking about there

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Speaker 8: is the privacy of those victims or anybody who may

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Speaker 8: have come forward with the sexual abuse claim. So that

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Speaker 8: they're not talking because that flies in the face of

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Speaker 8: an action section of the law. So I would think

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Speaker 8: the privacy interests they're trying to protect is you know,

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Speaker 8: we have the race shield law, the sexual assault confidentiality laws,

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Speaker 8: so that's what they're talking about. They're not talking about

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Speaker 8: your privacy of what went on in a bedroom and

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Speaker 8: the Epstein estate that would not You're not sure. I

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Speaker 8: mean at that point, you could plug everything into it.

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Speaker 3: Right right.

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Speaker 9: Okay, Well, I'm so see, Stephanie, I'm so glad that

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Speaker 9: I had that question answered, because that is absolutely where

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Speaker 9: it went. That every dirt bag in a bedroom doing

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Speaker 9: dirt bag things can be like you're a Vadim Prodsey,

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Speaker 9: you know, Jared.

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Speaker 7: You had said that, you know, the DOJ's being you know,

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Speaker 7: a little broad with you know, getting these grand jury transcripts,

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Speaker 7: and it's good, that's a good thing. Could they also

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Speaker 7: be broad in saying, oh, well, this is this leader's privacy,

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Speaker 7: this congressman's privacy, we don't want to you know.

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Speaker 10: Could they be brought with that too, They could try,

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Speaker 10: But it specifically says, and it's specifically it says, you

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Speaker 10: cannot use the fact that this would damage someone's reputation, okay,

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Speaker 10: as a reason not to avoid disclosing.

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Speaker 3: That's the thing that's huge, huge.

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Speaker 8: The law actually says an unwarranted invasion of personal privacy

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Speaker 8: right after the victim stuff. So if you read it together,

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Speaker 8: it applies to the victim, not necessarily a politician or

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Speaker 8: a business leader who would have their sexual proclivities released

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Speaker 8: for the world. What's a that.

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Speaker 2: Okay, By the way, you're listening to True Crime tonight.

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Speaker 2: If you're just joining us, thank you for jumping in.

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Speaker 2: We're talking about Epstein and the new information that is

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Speaker 2: massive that the twenty nineteen grand jury testimony and anything

479
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Speaker 2: that was involved in that particular a grand jury case

480
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Speaker 2: will now be released in the public and perhaps that

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Speaker 2: we'll have some new information and shed some light. Nine

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Speaker 2: days in counting, we are all saying, so, what's the

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Speaker 2: chance we're going to have some sort of an explosion in.

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Speaker 3: God forbid or up before then?

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Speaker 2: But we are counting, right, so I feel confident that

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Speaker 2: we're etching toward the truth.

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Speaker 3: Let's go to a talk back right now.

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Speaker 6: Hi, ladies, my name is Danielle. I am from Nova Scotia, Canada.

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Speaker 6: You guys are talking about at Stein, his allegedly having

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Speaker 6: killed himself in jail and talking about how his jail

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Speaker 6: sentence was basically sleepover jail and he was allowed out.

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Speaker 8: During the day.

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Speaker 6: So it just occurred to me, and maybe I'm wrong,

494
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Speaker 6: but if he killed himself in jail during a sentence

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Speaker 6: like that, if he had planned on killing himself, why

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Speaker 6: wouldn't he just wait till he was out during the

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Speaker 6: daytime where it would be much easier to commit suicide.

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Speaker 2: Totally a good question, but for the clarity, and maybe

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Speaker 2: we weren't that clear about it. You know, he was

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Speaker 2: in prison twice, so the first time back in two

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Speaker 2: thousand and seven, two thousand and eight, and when he

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Speaker 2: was serving his sentence in West Palm Beach, which was

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Speaker 2: a cushy sentence, that's the one that he got to

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Speaker 2: go home and basically just slept in jail. Now fast

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Speaker 2: forward to twenty nineteen, he's indicted again, there's been a

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Speaker 2: grand jury testimony, et cetera. He's awaiting trial in a

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Speaker 2: cell in New York, and at that point takes his

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Speaker 2: own life. So there were just two different two different times.

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Speaker 2: In the clunker is the clinker or the clunker. Well,

510
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Speaker 2: being in the clinker, I think you're in the Yeah,

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Speaker 2: the sound.

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Speaker 7: Very because that's what the that's the sound it makes, right,

513
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Speaker 7: clink oh clink.

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Speaker 2: That it sounds horrifying, It sounds petrifying. So Jared, what

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Speaker 2: is your prediction? Do you have any predictions? And I

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Speaker 2: know this is not a legal question, but I have

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Speaker 2: two of them for you. One, do you have any predictions?

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Speaker 2: Because I know we're in we're in new territory, right,

519
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 2: this is extremely new. As you mentioned, grand jury testimony

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Speaker 2: is so sacred, so the fact that this is in

521
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Speaker 2: fact being released is pretty major. Even if there are

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Speaker 2: some hiccups to come, I do think it's a win

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Speaker 2: for the moment for victims. And the second question is

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Speaker 2: what in the hell was the dentist chair doing on

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Speaker 2: that island surrounded by masks?

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Speaker 4: Do you have a legal opinion on that?

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Speaker 8: Well? Two things. The entire police look like a nursing home.

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Speaker 3: A nursing home.

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Speaker 8: It's yeah, I don't know what. Like I looked at

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Speaker 8: those pictures, I'm like, it looks like you're looking at

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Speaker 8: like pleasant. Where was Sophia Patrillo before?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, right, it did have that feeling. It did.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, And uh so that was It looked like a

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Speaker 8: very hospital medical setting for a spot on an island.

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Speaker 8: It's just a sense I had. The second thing is

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Speaker 8: what am I expecting? Here's the thing. I believe that

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Speaker 8: there are politicians, partisan politicians that have had access to

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Speaker 8: these materials for some time. If they had damning information

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Speaker 8: on their political opponents, much of it would have been

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Speaker 8: out already. So knowing the game a little bit, I'm

541
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Speaker 8: somewhat suspicious, Like I don't know that we're going to

542
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Speaker 8: get a lot of smoking guns. I am hopeful that

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Speaker 8: the intentions are in the right place. There is a

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Speaker 8: desire for disclosure. I just feel like this has been

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Speaker 8: kept under wraps for so long, and there are people

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Speaker 8: that have this information and it's remained field. That's suspicious

547
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Speaker 8: to me. I would think it would have been out

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Speaker 8: against Look, we had a presidential racist since then. I

549
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Speaker 8: just think it would have come out.

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Speaker 2: Is it possible that it's because it's damning on both

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Speaker 2: sides so equally, I would.

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Speaker 8: Think, so that's certainly a possibility. I don't know more

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Speaker 8: than the average person on what it could be. I

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Speaker 8: just look at like the Democratic part has released certain

555
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Speaker 8: information from their congressional investigation right now, it appears to

556
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Speaker 8: go one way. It was involved President Trump. I would

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Speaker 8: imagine if the other side had damning information, they would

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Speaker 8: have released it as well. So that's why I'm saying

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Speaker 8: I don't know. I think if these pieces of information

560
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Speaker 8: have been in the hands of powerful politicians that don't

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Speaker 8: have any blowback from it, it may have come out already.

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Speaker 2: I would imagine, And I'm that's really cure here, and

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Speaker 2: it's a great observation going on a limb. Like you know,

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Speaker 2: first of all, the nursing home assessment of those photographs

565
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Speaker 2: is so accurate, like how many old men were at

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Speaker 2: this island? Number one? But likely you know we are,

567
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Speaker 2: We're talking about Bill Clinton, We're talking about different parties.

568
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Speaker 2: You know, Trump's the latest on the show, and he's

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Speaker 2: the one that campaigned on it. But prior to that,

570
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Speaker 2: and prior to Trump's entrance, there were many players in

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Speaker 2: the mix, which is why I say I'm sticking to

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Speaker 2: my theory.

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Speaker 4: Follow the money.

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Speaker 2: I think all parties have been benefiting financially in some

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Speaker 2: way that we are unaware of, and it's affecting policy

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Speaker 2: at a world level the likes of which we have

577
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Speaker 2: never seen before in our generation.

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Speaker 3: Ooh, yeah, this is the new Watergate, right that you think?

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Speaker 2: M Yeah, I think it's money and money, money, money, money, money, money, money. Jared,

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Speaker 2: We're crazy for having you here, because again we've been

581
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Speaker 2: stacking up some questions from listeners, so we're going to.

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Speaker 3: Toss a few at you right away.

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Speaker 11: Hey, ladies, love the pod. I view the Luigi case

584
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Speaker 11: more like I viewed the Karen Reid case, because there

585
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Speaker 11: seems to be a lot of mishandling. There are a

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Speaker 11: lot of reports that came out day of that seem

587
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Speaker 11: to not fully see true. There's stuff about the backpack,

588
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Speaker 11: the stuff about the police and turning on and off

589
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Speaker 11: body camera. That's just how I feel.

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Speaker 7: Well, lucky for you, we have basically an expert in

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Speaker 7: Pennsylvania law with us, oh right, Jarrett Farantino. He is

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Speaker 7: an attorney barred in the state of Pennsylvania and not

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Speaker 7: barred like he can't be. There's bard, you know, the

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Speaker 7: bar in Psylvania.

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Speaker 2: He's a smarty pants lawyer who's passed the bar.

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Speaker 3: Right right, So she's saying that, you know, there's she

597
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Speaker 3: seems like there's some tomfoolery going on with the backpack

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Speaker 3: and and whatnot. What would you take, Jared.

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Speaker 8: Well, first of all, kudos for bridging the gap between

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Speaker 8: Luigi and Mangione and Karen Reid.

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Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, I don't. Is Michael Procter fit in somehow?

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Speaker 8: Oh god, I hope, I hope not. But I look,

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Speaker 8: I get the concern, but I don't see it. I

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Speaker 8: don't see you know, if this was so the Karen

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Speaker 8: Reid sentiment is there is a police cover up and

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Speaker 8: there's things going on. Remember this police cover up would

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Speaker 8: have you would have to believe involved the Altoona Police Department. Okay,

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Speaker 8: where Mangioni happened to be sitting in the corner of

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Speaker 8: a McDonald uh in those moments, And the body camera

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Speaker 8: footage is available, it's being displayed right now in court

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Speaker 8: in New York. So the reality is I get the concern,

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Speaker 8: but that concern is addressed and allied by the video

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Speaker 8: evidence being shown in court right now in New York.

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Speaker 3: Agree, that's totally fair. That's totally fair.

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Speaker 4: Interesting though, that's interesting.

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Speaker 2: So I have one fast question on the Luigi case, Jared.

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Speaker 2: You know, just in terms of if somebody, if I'm

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Speaker 2: walking into a restaurant and I seem suspicious or I

619
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Speaker 2: resemble an active shooter that the country is looking for,

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Speaker 2: is it plausible that the police can come in and

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Speaker 2: ask to look in my bag? What would I say

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Speaker 2: in that situation or what should I say?

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Speaker 8: Well, they can certainly ask, They can ask at any point,

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Speaker 8: So the answer is yes, But what should you say?

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Speaker 8: You know, you have the right to say no, and

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Speaker 8: they can't get in that bag unless they get to

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Speaker 8: an arrest where they search your bag incident to that arrest,

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Speaker 8: like we discussed, and that's really the issue that is

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Speaker 8: being litigated on now. We're on day six. So if

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Speaker 8: they take you into custody for some reason and they

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Speaker 8: searched that bag without a warrant, it's a search incident

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Speaker 8: to arrest. And then we fall back on was that

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Speaker 8: bag in your immediate grab area, were they secured, Was

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Speaker 8: it truly a proper warrantless search. Was there a concern

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Speaker 8: for officer safety that was legitimate. That's really how they

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Speaker 8: would get in that bag, or they would take you

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Speaker 8: and articulate some reason, put it in a warrant affidavit

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Speaker 8: and get an actual warrant in the bag, which is

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Speaker 8: also an option.

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Speaker 2: So they have to go back to the district into

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Speaker 2: the police office, get a warrant and hope that I'm

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Speaker 2: still at the McDonald judge.

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Speaker 8: Well, they could and so that's what that would have been.

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Speaker 8: Would have been involved if they secured man gi owned

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Speaker 8: and had to get a warrant. The exigency here was

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Speaker 8: they're saying, we had a concern that there was potentially

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Speaker 8: an explosive in that bag or something that could harm

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Speaker 8: people in the restaurant. So yeah, it is ludicrous to

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Speaker 8: think we're going to stop leave the bag here. You

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Speaker 8: could conceivably secure the place. It's not beyond the realm.

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Speaker 8: But what makes the most sense under the law, there

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Speaker 8: is a concern, a safety concern, a legitimate one. That's exigency.

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Speaker 9: I mean, I certainly agree, although the defense is hoping

654
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Speaker 9: nobody else does so if you're not totally up to speed.

655
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 9: Luigi Mangione is charged with the murder of United Healthcare

656
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 9: CEO Brian Thompson. This took place on a morning in

657
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 9: Manhattan about a year ago, and after the shooting, which

658
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 9: was caught on tape and appears to have been motivated

659
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 9: by a gripe against the healthcare system, there was a

660
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 9: five day man hunt leading to the arrest of Luigimanngione

661
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 9: in this McDonald's in Altoona, where now all of these

662
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 9: issues are rising of whether or not the police officers,

663
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Speaker 9: the local police officers Altoona, who got called by the

664
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Speaker 9: McDonald's manager because he looked like the guy that the

665
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 9: whole world was looking for one year ago.

666
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 3: He was the same outfit that was on the TVs everywhere.

667
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:19,400
Speaker 3: Literally the mask and everything changing out truly the day before.

668
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 3: What an idiot.

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Speaker 9: I have a question, Jared, and I don't know if

670
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 9: this is splitting cares or not. So there were several

671
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 9: items that were not found at the McDonald's. So the

672
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 9: officer said they found oddly wet gray underpants with a

673
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 9: fully loaded magazine in it, several other items, but other

674
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 9: things were left that were not discovered until the search

675
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 9: happened back at the police department. So once you're arrested,

676
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Speaker 9: if if I'm arrested and I have a bag of stuff,

677
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 9: isn't everything on my or is everything on my person

678
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:05,839
Speaker 9: kind of fair game for the police to look through

679
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 9: at that point?

680
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 8: So everything on your person is, yes, once you're taken

681
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:14,720
Speaker 8: into custody. The bag like the backpack, and that is strange.

682
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 8: They found certain things in McDonald's, but when they took it. Now,

683
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 8: I've been present when backpacks are searched, okay, and a

684
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 8: backpack like that has a lot of compartments. When the

685
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 8: forensics guy comes into our gal comes in to search

686
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 8: that backpack, it is a tedious process. They turn that

687
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 8: thing out, They look at every orifice of this backpack.

688
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,720
Speaker 8: And I promise you did you ever lose your keys

689
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Speaker 8: in one of those backpacks.

690
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 2: Oh oh yeah, fifteen times a day, that including moment.

691
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 8: And I'm like, I would sit at the table and

692
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 8: be like, you're not done with that thing yet, you know.

693
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 8: So I think there was clearly a more extensive search.

694
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:55,240
Speaker 8: You know, initially there was a sweep of that bag

695
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 8: for an explosive device and a firearm, and then a

696
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 8: more intense search was And I think that helps the officers.

697
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 8: I think that that shows, hey, we weren't looking for

698
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 8: every in every nook and cranny. We're usual, be established,

699
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 8: we're safe.

700
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 9: Okay, So they okay, that is that is very interesting

701
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 9: to know in a great key analogy, by the way,

702
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:16,399
Speaker 9: because who hasn't been.

703
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 3: There, But here's okay, here's a piggyback.

704
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 9: So it was officer Christy Wasser who went through the

705
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 9: bag and again found you know, the loaf of bread

706
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 9: and the loaded magazine, but again it was at the

707
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Speaker 9: police station. Then it was the loaded handgun, the silencer,

708
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 9: the SIM cards, and the notebook aka manifesto manifesto and

709
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 9: the map with instructions to evade law enforcement. So he

710
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 9: at that point has been arrested and you know, his

711
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 9: bag is at the thing. Is that all fair game

712
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 9: because it was opened and discovered at the police station

713
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:57,880
Speaker 9: after his arrest.

714
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 8: Yes, I think so. I think it is because they're

715
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 8: inventorying those I have to inventory, right, Yeah. So let's so,

716
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 8: let's just say he had a million dollars in that bag, right,

717
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 8: and they just discard it in the corner and it vanishes,

718
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,399
Speaker 8: and Mangioni comes down the pike and says he had

719
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:16,839
Speaker 8: a million bucks in there. You have to inventory property. Now,

720
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 8: that's not only what they were doing. They were also

721
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,280
Speaker 8: looking for items to tie him to that cart. Clearly,

722
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 8: so it's fair game if you have a good inventory policy.

723
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 8: But again there's always that extra layer if you can

724
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 8: get a warrant, get one, so you've avoid this sixth

725
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:35,760
Speaker 8: day hearing. Is what I would say.

726
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 2: So, and what I would say if somebody wanted to

727
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:41,760
Speaker 2: open my backpack to find my keys without a warrant,

728
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 2: I would say, call my lawyer, Jared Farantino, right.

729
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 8: And in the commonwealth, that would be the best thing

730
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 8: you could say.

731
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 3: Right, understood, understood, understood.

732
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 7: In the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania. Can they phone it in?

733
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 7: Can they phone in a warrant?

734
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 8: No, you have to know, you could appear virtually, you

735
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 8: could do that, but you have to prepare that appid

736
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 8: David you yeah, so, and you you appear before our

737
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Speaker 8: district justices there are I hate to say our lower court,

738
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 8: but there they are, the judges for a collection of

739
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 8: little towns shirkly. But you can do that over the phone,

740
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 8: but at some point they have to execute then actual documentation,

741
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 8: feel it.

742
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 7: I only asked because I know in in the Idaho case,

743
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 7: they phoned in a warrant from Washington, UH to search

744
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 7: that storage locker they had found the t for in

745
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 7: Brian Coberger's apartment. So I just wondered, if you know, hey,

746
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 7: can they pick up the phone and say, hey, Judge,

747
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 7: I need to you know, I got this guy?

748
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:41,319
Speaker 3: You know, can I get this?

749
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:43,799
Speaker 8: At some point it physically has to go in front

750
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 8: of the judge and they testify under usually on video.

751
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:49,400
Speaker 8: But you have to be careful with that.

752
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:50,319
Speaker 4: Okay, all right?

753
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:55,279
Speaker 12: Well, in an imaginary world, if that backpack isn't used

754
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 12: as evidence, if they can't for some reason, we can't

755
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 12: use the backpack, is the proper secution completely screwed at

756
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:04,439
Speaker 12: this point? Like, is there some world there a way

757
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 12: to work around it.

758
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 8: Well, there's there's It's not great, obviously, you want the weapon,

759
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 8: you want the manifesto, but there is Remember, we were

760
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:17,279
Speaker 8: looking for Mangeoni. We the people were looking for Mangioni

761
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:21,320
Speaker 8: before he was found. There's evidence linking him to this crime.

762
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:25,760
Speaker 8: There's evidence linking him to the shooting. There's evidence linking

763
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 8: him to New York at that time. So there is

764
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 8: evidence that would tie him to the shooting of Brian Thompson.

765
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 8: But believe me when I tell you this evidence is

766
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 8: obviously critical and necessary for the prosecution.

767
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 7: I even want to say there's evidence looking him to

768
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:42,799
Speaker 7: the backpack that he left behind in Central Park, So

769
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 7: they don't know he left behind a backpack in Central

770
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 7: Park and it was full of monopoly money. And you know,

771
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 7: we all everybody was looking up this backpack. It's like

772
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 7: a seven hundred dollars backpack. It's very unique. And I

773
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 7: want to say that we heard early on that there's

774
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 7: some like a gum wrapper be with his gum in it,

775
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 7: with his DAN I might be speaking out.

776
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 3: There is there's something to that.

777
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, DNA and there's DNA on that my understanding. And

778
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 2: also he checked into the hostel with that same fake

779
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:15,439
Speaker 2: I D. So that's something I am using that fake

780
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 2: I D and also placing him in New York at

781
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 2: that time. Obviously there's the CC footage, so it's.

782
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 7: More circumstantial stuff. But the circumstantial cases are one all

783
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 7: the time.

784
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 3: I mean, not every case has DNA and physical evidence

785
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 3: right like it happens all the time.

786
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:33,799
Speaker 8: But tah, that's a great question. I mean, I'm wondering that.

787
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 8: And you when you were in a situation like this,

788
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 8: you have to prepare for the worst case scenario and

789
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:41,319
Speaker 8: work back when you say to yourself, if this is out,

790
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,360
Speaker 8: what do we got? You know, what do we do it?

791
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 8: Do we take? That would be a it would be

792
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:48,880
Speaker 8: appealed to. I mean, it would fight to keep this

793
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:49,840
Speaker 8: in pre trial.

794
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 7: I would think, did you guys see did you guys

795
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 7: see the notes that he that he wrote like stay

796
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 7: ahead of the FBI?

797
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:59,919
Speaker 3: And oh yeah, it's like a camp. It's your eyebrows

798
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 3: they don't work.

799
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:04,319
Speaker 2: Nine years old, I was like, honestly, a nine year

800
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 2: old wrote that list.

801
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 7: I'm a list maker. No, I do the same thing. Listen,

802
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:10,840
Speaker 7: I don't know why about I'm a list of maker?

803
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 3: This about you? You're a great list maker.

804
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 2: But your list isn't like get out of bed, no,

805
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:21,800
Speaker 2: on your socks, you know, like it's you know, breathe.

806
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:25,319
Speaker 2: It was a pretty elementary list of things to do,

807
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:28,319
Speaker 2: like there are some yes, stay ahead.

808
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:28,720
Speaker 3: Don't get caught.

809
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 2: Oh forgot that that's not on the list, you know,

810
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:34,800
Speaker 2: like there was. It was odd that to the list.

811
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:37,800
Speaker 2: I don't mean to make a life, but your lists

812
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:38,800
Speaker 2: are very very smart.

813
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 7: No, I just mean, like, you know, I understand making lists.

814
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 7: I understand the concept, but like, do you really need

815
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:45,800
Speaker 7: a list to pluck your eyebrows?

816
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 4: Like just do it?

817
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 9: Yeah?

818
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 3: I got.

819
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 9: This is not in defense of anything except for pre planning.

820
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:53,439
Speaker 3: I guess, which is you know.

821
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:55,760
Speaker 9: If you assume you're going to go through with everything

822
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:59,439
Speaker 9: that allegedly he did, I would assume that my mind

823
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 9: would be very crazy, and I actually would put down

824
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 9: a list of like, okay, you have to remember to

825
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:12,360
Speaker 9: pluck your you know, crazy defining eyebrows. Jared uh In

826
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 9: a case like this where allegedly we see LUIGIMGNGIONI go

827
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 9: with a gun and shoot CEO Brian Thompson on the street,

828
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:26,279
Speaker 9: is is not guilty? Like how how do attorneys do

829
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:27,800
Speaker 9: that with a straight face, and I'm not trying to

830
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:28,280
Speaker 9: be funny.

831
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 8: Well, here's how they do it. We're having a six

832
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 8: day trial on whether or not the police followed proper

833
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 8: constitutional protocol for them for what could be the moder right.

834
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 4: I guess that's that's how they do.

835
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 8: It, you know. Like and one of the things you

836
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 8: were all discussing last night that was profound. You're like,

837
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:50,400
Speaker 8: in one sense, this guy wants to be allegedly this badass,

838
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:54,800
Speaker 8: you know, Robinhood right. In another sense, he's hiding behind

839
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:58,360
Speaker 8: his lawyers. Well, his lawyers are preparing to defend it.

840
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 8: What are we defending? Is the backpack in? Or is

841
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 8: it out? And the only way it's in is if

842
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 8: they followed the constitution and properly secured it. So you

843
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:11,840
Speaker 8: can plead in the alternative, you can fight on multiple fronts.

844
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 8: The and filios are fighting the constitutionality of that search.

845
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 8: MANGIONI will still be able to say, you know, if

846
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:22,360
Speaker 8: he wants to be that guy, but he's saying government,

847
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 8: if you're gonna get me, you got to do it

848
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 8: the right way now.

849
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 2: And to add to that, even the footage of the

850
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 2: shooter allegedly allegedly alleged, allegedly Luigi Mangioni on camera and

851
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 2: you know, right and bright light man murdering uh the

852
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 2: CEO of the United Healthcare Brian Thompson. You know, they

853
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:45,799
Speaker 2: could also just line up six lookalikes they can get,

854
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 2: you know, allegedly they get James Frinco and all the

855
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 2: other lookalikes. You have, Timothy Shallome, all the people that

856
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 2: everybody says he looks like, you know, any one of

857
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 2: his ninety five cousins that all have very similar features.

858
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:00,880
Speaker 2: It's a very good looking family. You know, they have

859
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 2: many Mangionis. You know, is it possible that you're, like,

860
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 2: I don't know, looks a lot like a lot of people.

861
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 3: Is that probably a tactic they will take.

862
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 8: Well, again, it's not his face in the shooting. It's

863
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 8: from behind, its right behind. The whole crime. Is not

864
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 8: his fate, That's right.

865
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:22,360
Speaker 9: Okay, here's another one that we will continue following closely.

866
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 3: So listen.

867
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 9: Coming up, we have the new Diddy doc that is

868
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 9: igniting a firestorm, and we're going to break down a

869
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 9: lot of the legal fallout with Jarrett Farentino who is

870
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:41,360
Speaker 9: sticking around. And later we've got Brian Walsh True Crime Tonight.

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00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:53,840
Speaker 2: Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

872
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 2: true crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker here with

873
00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 2: Courtney Armstrong. Body move in, and of course we have

874
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:05,400
Speaker 2: great Jared Farantino, the prosecutor himself in the hot seat

875
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 2: answering all of your burning questions, so keep them coming.

876
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, Diddy, Diddy, Diddy, We're finally gonna discuss Diddy.

877
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 3: Let's go to a talkback right now.

878
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:18,800
Speaker 13: Hello, True Time today. Just catching up on some episodes

879
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:21,799
Speaker 13: I missed. Man, you guys have to watch the whole

880
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:23,359
Speaker 13: Diddy documentary.

881
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 3: Serious thingy.

882
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 13: It made me so man, and I really want to

883
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 13: know all the things you guys think about, all the

884
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 13: things that you don't know yet. I'm not gonna spoil it,

885
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 13: but oh my god, oh my god, oh my god,

886
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 13: watch it.

887
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:38,880
Speaker 3: And tell me things. I love you guys, bye, we

888
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 3: love you too, And oh my god, is right.

889
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 9: First of all, that was fabulous. Second of all, Stephanie,

890
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 9: was that you throwing your voice to put on to

891
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:48,959
Speaker 9: watch it and be like, you have.

892
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 3: To watch it. That's me.

893
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 4: Every single interaction that I've had, I have.

894
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:55,880
Speaker 3: Received like seven texts from Stephanie every day. Have you

895
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:59,799
Speaker 3: watched Dan? Have you watched Everybody's very busy and has

896
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 3: like real jobs all day, myself concluded, but it's all

897
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 3: I want to talk. I don't know if I'm at

898
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:06,279
Speaker 3: the valet guy has to do.

899
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 2: I'm at the grocery store asking the cash register attendant,

900
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 2: did you see the Diddy doc?

901
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:12,760
Speaker 4: I just think it's so wild.

902
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 3: I finally did it.

903
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:19,319
Speaker 9: I finally fair briefly, if anyone is unclear of what

904
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 9: the talkback was referring to. Now, Netflix has released Sean

905
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:27,880
Speaker 9: Combe's The Reckoning and it's a four part documentary and

906
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 9: it examines the rise, the power, the collapse of Shawan

907
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:39,240
Speaker 9: Didty Combs. It's got crazy allegations of abuse, manipulation, misconduct.

908
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 9: The series also has never before seen footage that I

909
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:47,880
Speaker 9: know we're going to be talking about. It has interviews

910
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 9: with former insiders, commentary from a couple of jurors in

911
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:55,920
Speaker 9: his federal trial, which I thought was sures very well.

912
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:57,240
Speaker 4: I thought, don't get me started.

913
00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 3: That they were included was very cool. I thought it

914
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 3: was us cool with the had to say.

915
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:05,400
Speaker 9: But this documentary that Fitty sent put out is sparking

916
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 9: a bunch of legal questions and even more backlash from

917
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:11,720
Speaker 9: Sean dis Combs's team.

918
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 3: So, okay, Stephanie, let it out.

919
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 4: Okay, I need first questions.

920
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 2: I'm going to go straight to legal questions and keep

921
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:20,840
Speaker 2: my opinions to myself for a hot second because that

922
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 2: is a hard task.

923
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 3: And then we have to talk about some of the important.

924
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 2: Just themes that I think we're so powerful and well

925
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:30,799
Speaker 2: laid out. My first question to you, Jared is at

926
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:32,799
Speaker 2: the and by the way site spoiler alert here if

927
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:35,360
Speaker 2: you haven't watched. I'm going to try to talk around

928
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 2: it in a way because we will probably continue to

929
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:41,319
Speaker 2: talk about this and other other nights. But I try

930
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:44,400
Speaker 2: my best, you know, so slightly slight. I'm going to

931
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 2: be as careful as I can be, so top of

932
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:50,400
Speaker 2: the show. Right away, we see this unseen footage that

933
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 2: is basically Sean Combs Diddy hired his own personal private

934
00:49:56,480 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 2: like documentarian or camera guy to kind of follow him

935
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 2: in these last days prior to his arrest. So we

936
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 2: know that he flew to New York City, he was

937
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 2: staying at the Hyatt Hotel the Parkayatt, where he was

938
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:13,400
Speaker 2: ultimately arrested, and this documents the six days leading up

939
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 2: to his inevitable arrest, and allegedly there's about one hundred

940
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:20,479
Speaker 2: and forty hours of footage and that they're only using

941
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 2: a very small sample of what.

942
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 4: Was actually shot.

943
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:26,759
Speaker 2: Obviously, did he intended this to be in what was

944
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 2: maybe his documentary that he was going to make some day.

945
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 2: And the speculation is that whoever this videographer was was

946
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 2: maybe unpaid, and then somehow it got into fifty cents

947
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:40,919
Speaker 2: hands and he paid for it.

948
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 3: And now here it is front and center.

949
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 2: It starts with him talking to his lawyer on speakerphone,

950
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:50,479
Speaker 2: Mark Agnifilo, I think is how you say it? Mark

951
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 2: Agnifilo is his attorney, very high profile, obviously did a

952
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:56,440
Speaker 2: very good job. Did he got fifty months as opposed

953
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:59,720
Speaker 2: to a life sentence, so he could essentially thank.

954
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 4: His lawyer or for his life.

955
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:05,399
Speaker 2: And yet here he is, unbeknownst to the lawyer, who

956
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 2: has some sense of there being a sacred conversation between

957
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 2: lawyer and client, didd he has U has a video

958
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:15,760
Speaker 2: camera on it, and there's there's actually they're they're taping

959
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:19,480
Speaker 2: it unbeknownst to the lawyer. To me, that is so

960
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:23,360
Speaker 2: amongst the many egregious things to come. But how wild

961
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 2: is that as an attorney? Is that not a foul

962
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:29,279
Speaker 2: ball from Jump Street? Jared, if you're the lawyer, are

963
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:30,320
Speaker 2: you losing your mind?

964
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:34,400
Speaker 8: Well, here's the thing that was mind blowing that foot

965
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:37,040
Speaker 8: you go from a guy who holds the key to

966
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 8: the city to being held up in a hotel room

967
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:42,399
Speaker 8: looking out the window at the cops car. Yeah great,

968
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 8: I mean so I promised you last week, Stephanie, I

969
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 8: was going to watch it. I watched it. I was

970
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 8: rude to it. And let me tell you, as an

971
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 8: attorney though, here's what here's Mark and Filio is in

972
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 8: that documentary too, though personally he so you know, there

973
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:01,319
Speaker 8: are exchanges when they're both pre that are filmed, which

974
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 8: makes me wonder if he would mind so much. But

975
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 8: that attorney client relationship is so sacred. Those conversations about

976
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 8: managing the perspective of the public. That's what the conversation

977
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 8: was about, about hiring somebody to look out for his reputation,

978
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 8: his pr person and did he's expressing doubt, wanting to

979
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 8: believe what Anfilio's telling him, and he's saying, we got

980
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:28,920
Speaker 8: to get somebody. I feel like I'm getting beat up. Here.

981
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 8: Here's the problem. There's other people in the room and

982
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 8: he's on speakerphone. So the attorney client privilege is already

983
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:39,959
Speaker 8: destroyed with the presence of these third party individuals. Now

984
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 8: add to it, there's did he had cameras around him

985
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 8: all the time, so of course he wanted to document

986
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 8: his downfall too and maybe make a buck, So he's

987
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:52,440
Speaker 8: filming this exchange. The attorney client privilege adds to that conversation,

988
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:56,720
Speaker 8: totally destroyed. As a lawyer, that's a nightmare situation scenario.

989
00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 3: I'd be horrified.

990
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:02,359
Speaker 2: And I've heard for some like inside sourcing that you know. Listen,

991
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:05,839
Speaker 2: I'm sure Netflix is getting hit with legal letters and

992
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 2: a cease and desist and you know, lawsuit, lawsuit, lawsuit

993
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 2: from Camp Diddy. But you know, if your main man,

994
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 2: who is your main lawyer, who's heading up your entire

995
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:19,839
Speaker 2: legal team, whose life and death is giving all of

996
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:23,319
Speaker 2: their life to your case, what a junkie way to

997
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:25,839
Speaker 2: treat that person from Jump Street, you know, I talk

998
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 2: about like biting the hand that feeds you. Potentially even

999
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 2: his teenagers were right there, like laying on the couch.

1000
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:32,239
Speaker 3: I hated it.

1001
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:35,360
Speaker 2: I hated it from the start, and it just it

1002
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:37,920
Speaker 2: took me on a ride of rage.

1003
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 8: It was so real, though, wasn't it. And I'll tell.

1004
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:45,360
Speaker 3: You you can see the desperation.

1005
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 8: Like I don't think there was anything his attorney said

1006
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:53,320
Speaker 8: that was in appropium, and they were nothing I thought

1007
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 8: like so so from a shame standpoint, he could say, Look,

1008
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:58,240
Speaker 8: I didn't know I was being recorded in that instance,

1009
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 8: but I stand by what I said to the full circle.

1010
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:04,800
Speaker 3: His wife is Luigi's lawyer, right exactly.

1011
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 8: Yes, Karen, they both are Luigi's lay Oh, they.

1012
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 3: Both are, Okay. I didn't know if he was either.

1013
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 8: Okay anyway, Karen and Mark. I've heard it said both ways.

1014
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 3: I've said it.

1015
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 2: I say it wrong every time. But I just want

1016
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:17,840
Speaker 2: to just jump ahead to the thing that I thought

1017
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:20,920
Speaker 2: was one of the more powerful of the many powerful moments.

1018
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 3: Very rare.

1019
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 2: Do you have a documentary that just hits you with

1020
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:27,840
Speaker 2: so much information, so much real footage from the time,

1021
00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:30,840
Speaker 2: so many receipts, Like just when you thought someone said something,

1022
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 2: suddenly you're seeing the actual receipt with the actual time stamp.

1023
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:37,960
Speaker 2: I mean, that was really really well laid out, and

1024
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 2: it really ties up in the end and I thought,

1025
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:43,239
Speaker 2: Aubrey O'Day, who is not getting a lot of play

1026
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:44,320
Speaker 2: right now in the press.

1027
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:47,280
Speaker 4: Surprisingly, I just want to say it out loud.

1028
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 2: I was really brought to tears seeing a woman having

1029
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 2: to read something which seems like for the very first

1030
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 2: time out loud as she says, and just you see

1031
00:54:56,719 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 2: it in her eyes, like she's like it's all kind

1032
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 2: of crash in at the same time, and her saying,

1033
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:05,560
Speaker 2: I don't even want to know the truth. I can't

1034
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 2: get under this pile. I'll never get under him getting

1035
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:12,319
Speaker 2: out from under this the weight of Diddy, And I

1036
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:14,040
Speaker 2: don't want to know any more if this is true

1037
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 2: or not true, even as I get a little choked up.

1038
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:18,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, me too, victim.

1039
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:23,279
Speaker 3: I thought it was so strangely.

1040
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 2: Intimate and took so much courage, and I really want

1041
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:29,760
Speaker 2: to applaud her for it too, making out.

1042
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:32,520
Speaker 7: And for some reason it gave me comfort. I know

1043
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:36,960
Speaker 7: that like literally insane, but you know she's avoiding the truth, right,

1044
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 7: she doesn't want to know, Yes, and listen, I've been there.

1045
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 3: Absolutely so human.

1046
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 7: And it's so human, it was so real. I empathized

1047
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:48,640
Speaker 7: with her. I thought she she just was great, and

1048
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:51,160
Speaker 7: I thought she was very brave for doing that, like yeah, and.

1049
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 2: Really well spoken, tied it up so so so well.

1050
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 2: I was sort of like the wind had gotten knocked

1051
00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:59,359
Speaker 2: out of me. So sending so much love to all

1052
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:01,320
Speaker 2: of the victims who put their life on the line

1053
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 2: to tell their version of the story is.

1054
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:07,320
Speaker 4: Not an easy task. Not an easy task.

1055
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:12,280
Speaker 9: I okay, since Jared we have you on borrow time,

1056
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:14,680
Speaker 9: I'm going to hop in real quick with illegal.

1057
00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:16,440
Speaker 4: Yes, Quidney Armstrong hit it.

1058
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:20,760
Speaker 9: So in this series, there are some really really serious

1059
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:24,640
Speaker 9: allegations I mean that are just stated as fact black

1060
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:29,280
Speaker 9: and white, you know, abuse, financial schemes, murder for higher plot.

1061
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:34,279
Speaker 9: Many haven't been proven at all in a courtroom. So

1062
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:36,560
Speaker 9: what would that look like? How hard would it be

1063
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:42,799
Speaker 9: for Diddy to win a defamation case against Netflix or welly?

1064
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:45,799
Speaker 8: So one thing you said, Courtney, these things haven't been

1065
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:49,000
Speaker 8: proven in the courtroom, but that doesn't mean they're not true. Okay,

1066
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:53,040
Speaker 8: So let's say for a moment, an ultimate defense to defamation,

1067
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:57,520
Speaker 8: for example, is truth. Okay, It's like, prove me wrong.

1068
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 8: Let's litigate whether or not you didn't pay this guy,

1069
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:04,920
Speaker 8: you assaulted this person. Let's have the conversation in court.

1070
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 3: You have to discover it too, right.

1071
00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:11,080
Speaker 8: That's the other thing. If it goes to court, everybody

1072
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 8: gets deposed. We're gonna get all the documents. So they're

1073
00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:19,600
Speaker 8: almost baiting that. They're like, you know, so you and look,

1074
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:23,120
Speaker 8: we're talking here in a public form. We have to

1075
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 8: be cognizant and respect people's rights. Okay, But Diddy, he's

1076
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:32,120
Speaker 8: a public figure. Okay, so the standard applied to a

1077
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 8: public figure is a little different. He has to have

1078
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:38,760
Speaker 8: a higher threshold for certain claims that could be made

1079
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:42,640
Speaker 8: against him. Okay, So he could be detained to a

1080
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:45,000
Speaker 8: certain extent because he's a public figure. He then has

1081
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:48,880
Speaker 8: to show there was malice in the defamation. It's not

1082
00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:53,120
Speaker 8: true and I was damaged. Okay. When someone who's a

1083
00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:56,200
Speaker 8: private citizen, they don't necessarily have to meet all of

1084
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Speaker 8: those burdens. So let me say this. There was a

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Speaker 8: lot said, but there was a lot documented established, Like

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Speaker 8: I never walked the way by saying, oh, that is

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Speaker 8: so beyond the pale. There's no way you did this.

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Speaker 2: You know, by the way, it's so true. And also

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Speaker 2: its first hand account. You know when we make our docs,

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Speaker 2: and Jerry, you know this as well, having been on it.

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Speaker 2: You know, it goes through such a legal lens. We

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00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 2: have the scariest lawyers that have to take out anything

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Speaker 2: that could possibly feel slanted or uneven or be considered slander.

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Speaker 2: You know, you don't want to accuse a person of murder,

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Speaker 2: but again sometimes you also don't want to accuse or

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Speaker 2: out somebody from their shame or you know, if they're

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Speaker 2: not ready to tell their story of victimhood, you don't

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Speaker 2: want to share it on their.

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Speaker 4: Behalf, et cetera, et cetera.

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Speaker 2: Every single person had the exact same theme, right down

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Speaker 2: to Kirk Burrows at the end, I was tolored every

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Speaker 2: step of the there's not on The list is so

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Speaker 2: long that it's shocking, and you can't really say that

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Speaker 2: the person who's speaking their truth is a liar, right

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Speaker 2: and you have to like prove them wrong. So did

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Speaker 2: he has a high threshold here, we hope.

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Speaker 8: So that's in a separate defamation claim. Now, if you

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Speaker 8: look at Burrows, many of the people that talk Little

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Speaker 8: Rod and those people they've sil they've filed civil claims,

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Speaker 8: so they're already litigating whether or office is true, which

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Speaker 8: I think is a point where noted like there are

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Speaker 8: allegations made against Ditty and people in his inner circle.

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Speaker 8: That's already in litigation with some of the people making

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Speaker 8: the allegation in the dock. Again, they're just reaffirming allegations

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Speaker 8: they lodged at Ditty in court already. Now they haven't

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Speaker 8: been needed out. I mean, look at the numbers in

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Speaker 8: the documentary. They say, how at one hundred hundreds of

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Speaker 8: could have been filed against Is that insane?

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Speaker 3: Well we were.

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Speaker 2: Even saying this when the trial was going on, but

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Speaker 2: it just becomes a footnote, right. But now that you're

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00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:56,880
Speaker 2: seeing the faces, you're seeing the pain, You're seeing the agony,

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Speaker 2: the years of grief, the trauma that people have to

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Speaker 2: cover because they're so ashamed. And you also see the

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Speaker 2: grooming and how simple it is to get sucked in.

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Speaker 12: And I have one question for j Yeah, seeking of faces,

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Speaker 12: one of the two faces that stood out to me

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Speaker 12: the most were seeing the jurors that actually spoke in

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Speaker 12: the documentary. I don't want to give away too much,

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Speaker 12: but they told a little bit about the case and

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Speaker 12: what they went through. Are there limitations to what a

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Speaker 12: juror can say after a trial publicly? And could they

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Speaker 12: say something that could maybe have a cause for another

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Speaker 12: trial of some sort.

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Speaker 8: Well, there's really not limitations other than they can't if

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Speaker 8: they said they lied in the Vlais deal process, that's

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Speaker 8: a problem. If they should not discuss specific jurors what

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Speaker 8: their role was in the back room during deliberations. But

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Speaker 8: other than that, unless they say there was a piece

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Speaker 8: of evidence they weren't supposed to consider, they like they

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Speaker 8: did something on awful. It's pretty much their game. We

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01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:05,520
Speaker 8: would run down after trials and find jurors, you know,

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Speaker 8: in the courtroom lobby and say like, what'd you think

1144
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Speaker 8: of this, and like I would love to hear from

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Speaker 8: jurors what of course, not if they had any bad

1146
01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:16,240
Speaker 8: to say, of course, right, But again they are not

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Speaker 8: limited and what they can say provided there's not an

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Speaker 8: all out assault on the process, whether there was a

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Speaker 8: lie of misrepresentation or they're talking about another juror.

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Speaker 2: Last question, obviously again not a big spoiler alert, but

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Speaker 2: you know, you're kind of squarely saying that he called

1152
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Speaker 2: the hit on Tupac and you know, land his best

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01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:41,080
Speaker 2: friend Biggie to the death and also made him pay

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Speaker 2: for his own funeral. The stepfather or Biggie's stepfather has

1155
01:01:45,120 --> 01:01:47,560
Speaker 2: come out I think publicly and said that funeral piece

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01:01:47,640 --> 01:01:50,360
Speaker 2: might not be accurate. But all that to be said,

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Speaker 2: those are huge allegations. Is it possible that did he

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Speaker 2: may face charges with this?

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Speaker 3: Keith D or Keith d D? Yeah, Keith D.

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Speaker 4: That's how.

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Speaker 3: How unpool am I? Keithy D. It's honestly, I should

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Speaker 3: be I should be shot right now.

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry.

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Speaker 3: Talk about it.

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Speaker 4: But that said, you know his trial is in January.

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Speaker 2: Is it possible that Diddy is going to get roped

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01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:20,480
Speaker 2: up into this? Can you stick with us because we're

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Speaker 2: going to have to come back and get the answer.

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Speaker 2: I know it's late, Jared, You're the greatest.

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Speaker 4: Stick with us true Crime tonight.

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Speaker 3: We still have Jared because we also have to talk.

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Speaker 4: About Brian Walsh more on that. Stay with us.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to True Crime tonight on iHeart Radio. We're

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Speaker 2: talking true crime all the time. I'm Steph here at

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Speaker 2: the Courtney and Body, and of course we have the

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Speaker 2: great Jared Farantino, our favorite prosecutor in the house, answering

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Speaker 2: all of our questions. Right now, we're yapping about the

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Speaker 2: puff Daddy Doc also known as the Sean Cone, the

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Speaker 2: Reckoning on Netflix. If you haven't watched it, please do.

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Speaker 2: We will be continuing our conversation. We have a talkback

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Speaker 2: right now.

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Speaker 14: Hey, ladies, just wanted to make a quick comment about

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01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:13,160
Speaker 14: the Diddy documentary after watching. I mean, my goodness, the

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Speaker 14: audacity of this man for everything that he did, for

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01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:19,280
Speaker 14: him to think that he could just film himself to

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Speaker 14: make himself look better later and to be like, do

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Speaker 14: what you need to do, justin because God told me

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Speaker 14: to do nothing. I'm sorry, excuse me? What Sopha Cocta right?

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Speaker 14: I love the show, ladies. Thanks, it is so Cocta

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Speaker 14: it is.

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Speaker 2: There's no better way to say thank you for the

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01:03:37,960 --> 01:03:39,080
Speaker 2: greatest talk back.

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Speaker 3: But yes, this guy the God complex.

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01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:45,040
Speaker 2: He has a camera guy following him all the time

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01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:46,400
Speaker 2: and he's still a jerk on.

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Speaker 7: Cass recording with Little Rod. By the way, I loved

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Speaker 7: him in the documentary so good. And I don't know

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Speaker 7: if it was like the peach sweater, but I just

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Speaker 7: want to him and you know, he's with Lilron. They're

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Speaker 7: recording and he's talking a little Ron and he's like,

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Speaker 7: you know you can think of me is like the

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Speaker 7: son of God. I was like, bro, really, what are

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01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:06,880
Speaker 7: you thinking, and he's like a maniac looking at the

1204
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:09,080
Speaker 7: camera and he's like yelling at the camera, and I'm like,

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Speaker 7: you're a meniac.

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Speaker 3: Like how about the guy too.

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Speaker 2: That was like writing the song forgetting his name, the

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Speaker 2: song lyricist, and he was trying to make him call

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01:04:18,360 --> 01:04:21,320
Speaker 2: and he was like, uh, he had the greatest imitation

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Speaker 2: of all time.

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Speaker 8: Oh my god.

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Speaker 2: It's like we all know those songs and you're hearing

1213
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:27,640
Speaker 2: sort of the backstory to how those songs happen.

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Speaker 3: How untalented did he really was? Right?

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Speaker 7: He couldn't rap, he couldn't sing, he didn't know anything

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Speaker 7: about music. He basically just paid people to do things

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01:04:36,320 --> 01:04:38,920
Speaker 7: for everything. He didn't really pay people though, right Like

1218
01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:40,920
Speaker 7: he stuffed people right.

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01:04:43,080 --> 01:04:46,200
Speaker 2: Insurance himself in their video and then pays himself.

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Speaker 7: I will never forget those those that award show. When

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Speaker 7: shuld Knight said that, I will. I watched it live

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01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:54,520
Speaker 7: and I was like, and I was a big West

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Speaker 7: Coast girl, you know, I grew up in California.

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Speaker 3: Of course I'm like, yeah, Dobacco snoop whatever.

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Speaker 7: And should Knight said that, I was, I mean literally

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01:05:01,240 --> 01:05:03,240
Speaker 7: screaming in my living room. I was like, oh my god,

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Speaker 7: because everybody knew who he was talking about. Everyone knew

1228
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Speaker 7: who he was talking about.

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Speaker 3: Wow, so what is ahead legally speaking?

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Speaker 2: So there's some big accusations aside from the many who

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01:05:12,560 --> 01:05:15,360
Speaker 2: had been victimized by him first hand accounts. They have

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Speaker 2: their civil lawsuits that I hope they all win so

1233
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Speaker 2: much money and everything in anything that they're wishing for

1234
01:05:23,080 --> 01:05:25,680
Speaker 2: money will never give back what's been taken from them.

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Speaker 2: But now on a criminal side, you know, he's been

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Speaker 2: squarely blaming he's been squarely blamed for Tupac's death. We

1237
01:05:33,280 --> 01:05:37,240
Speaker 2: know the person who actually is about to stand trial

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Speaker 2: in January, keithy D.

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Speaker 4: That's a pretty big trial.

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Speaker 2: He's basically saying, yep, did he made me do it

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Speaker 2: or said.

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Speaker 3: He was doing He took it back. Though he took

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Speaker 3: it back, it was like, is he just afraid he's

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01:05:49,440 --> 01:05:51,040
Speaker 3: going to get killed? That's why you think it back?

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Speaker 7: Well, keffy D's kind of like I want to be

1246
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Speaker 7: almost a little bit, you know, and it's kind of

1247
01:05:57,320 --> 01:06:00,200
Speaker 7: like he's saying that he, you know, was preuss in

1248
01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:02,680
Speaker 7: this profferer and that he shouldn't have said that.

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01:06:02,760 --> 01:06:04,480
Speaker 3: But he also like I think he said it in

1250
01:06:04,520 --> 01:06:05,720
Speaker 3: a book too, though.

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01:06:05,640 --> 01:06:06,880
Speaker 4: No, that's how we got arrested.

1252
01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:09,320
Speaker 3: I don't feel like that's why I got arrested. So

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 7: I'm going to go to this trial. I've already decided

1255
01:06:12,280 --> 01:06:13,920
Speaker 7: it's going to be in Las Vegas. I think it

1256
01:06:13,960 --> 01:06:16,560
Speaker 7: starts in February. I have to recheck, but I'm going

1257
01:06:16,600 --> 01:06:18,400
Speaker 7: to go to this trial. I'll be reporting live on

1258
01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:19,040
Speaker 7: the scene.

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01:06:19,200 --> 01:06:19,520
Speaker 3: How's that?

1260
01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:20,160
Speaker 8: Yeah?

1261
01:06:20,240 --> 01:06:22,400
Speaker 4: Like you, you're like on the beat.

1262
01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:24,480
Speaker 2: You're going to do all the one with the hallways

1263
01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:27,160
Speaker 2: standing outside by the way, Artisa. We were trying to

1264
01:06:27,160 --> 01:06:30,800
Speaker 2: get her on the show, the social influencer. Back to Jarrethy,

1265
01:06:30,840 --> 01:06:32,040
Speaker 2: I won't get I'm getting.

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Speaker 3: Side, Jared.

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Speaker 2: Is it possible that during this fifty months that Puffy

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01:06:35,960 --> 01:06:39,400
Speaker 2: is currently behind bars serving the sentence for whatever nonsense

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01:06:39,400 --> 01:06:43,200
Speaker 2: he's serving it for, should be much longer. Is it

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Speaker 2: possible that it's going to get more charges thrown on

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01:06:45,320 --> 01:06:49,480
Speaker 2: him criminally because of this documentary?

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Speaker 8: Well, that's what I was thinking the whole time I

1273
01:06:52,240 --> 01:06:55,200
Speaker 8: was watching, and I was thinking, is there another case

1274
01:06:55,280 --> 01:06:58,880
Speaker 8: being put together? The truth is, I don't know, It's

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Speaker 8: entirely possible. The thing about keep D keep D, there

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01:07:02,400 --> 01:07:04,600
Speaker 8: was a time he would tell anybody who would listen,

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Speaker 8: he killed Tupac right at the behest of didy, right,

1278
01:07:08,240 --> 01:07:11,640
Speaker 8: but when he recn't. Now now he's on trial, he

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Speaker 8: can't say he did it because now he's pleading not

1280
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Speaker 8: guilty and attempting to defend himself. So the question is

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Speaker 8: how do you put that case together without keepd and

1282
01:07:21,600 --> 01:07:26,720
Speaker 8: how credible is he after giving the profit statement okay,

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01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:31,600
Speaker 8: then recanting it down the road. So that's the problem

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01:07:31,680 --> 01:07:34,640
Speaker 8: the link. Did he one thing about him? He's been

1285
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Speaker 8: very lucky. In addition to his wealth and his success,

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01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:42,360
Speaker 8: a lot of things have gone his way. And there's

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Speaker 8: another example of something that went his way.

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Speaker 7: You know, Yes, and Eric Martin ripped the guy or

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01:07:49,480 --> 01:07:51,480
Speaker 7: is it the guy who was supposed to pay kfy

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Speaker 7: D for this hit?

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Speaker 3: Right, died of cancer. So there's that missing link too, right,

1292
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Speaker 3: So it's going to be really hard to prove that

1293
01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:03,640
Speaker 3: Sean Combs aka did he had really anything to do

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Speaker 3: with tu Puck.

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Speaker 8: And Keithy's nephew is passed too, right, Yeah, killed. Here's

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Speaker 8: a situation where time does not make your takes any better.

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Speaker 8: You know, justice delayed is justice denied. That's why because

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Speaker 8: people die, people memory faith and this is you can

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Speaker 8: bet he's going to have that defense team, so those

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Speaker 8: charges ever come. I do think though, if you believe

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Speaker 8: what was said in that documentary, this is a man

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Speaker 8: who lived his life running a follow of the law,

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Speaker 8: and in the end he's only going to be held

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Speaker 8: accountable for two pounds of transportation in aid of prostitution.

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Speaker 8: That doesn't seem right.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't seem right.

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Speaker 2: We've seen him just beating Cassie, his you know, beautiful

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Speaker 2: ex girlfriend, you know, to the floor. I mean, that's

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Speaker 2: just such a tip of the iceberg, right, But man,

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Speaker 2: just what I thought I didn't like him. Then it

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Speaker 2: would be two seconds later in the documentary and I

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Speaker 2: was like.

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Speaker 3: Oh, boy, I really don't like him.

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Speaker 2: Boy, I gotta tell you, I really don't like him.

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Speaker 2: And it just continues to pound. But I listen, if

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Speaker 2: I'm like a juror I'm like press play on the documentary,

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Speaker 2: there's my whole pace.

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Speaker 9: I have another question about something legal in the dock,

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Speaker 9: which is there's one point, without giving away a thousand details,

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Speaker 9: where someone alleges that they were in the studio and

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Speaker 9: there were multiple people there, including Diddy and his son,

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Speaker 9: and then that Diddy, his son and another man went

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Speaker 9: into a bathroom, closed the door, there was a shot

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Speaker 9: herd and the man who's recounting this story then sees

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Speaker 9: this man and is allegedly putting towels on his wounds

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Speaker 9: and at the behest of Diddy's bodyguard this man. The

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Speaker 9: story turns into, oh, you know, basically drag this man

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Speaker 9: to the street and this didn't happen here. And you

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Speaker 9: see in the newspaper the next day shot outside of

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Speaker 9: you know studio.

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Speaker 3: Okay, a little fishy, like criminally fishy. What what does

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Speaker 3: the law do with that?

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Speaker 2: Justin Colms is completely brought into this, you know, Puffy's son.

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Speaker 3: What does that mean?

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Speaker 2: Like is he's basically squarely being accused of a crime.

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Speaker 2: This is now Diddy's son. If I'm the son, I'm

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Speaker 2: not so happy.

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Speaker 8: Well the other today's photographs of what they said was

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Speaker 8: inside the bathroom, right the.

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Speaker 3: Video.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, so look again, then that is a strong accusation

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Speaker 8: that was made that that shooting occurred inside and when

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Speaker 8: only three people were in the room, two people came

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Speaker 8: out and they happened to be father and son. So

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Speaker 8: look that that is a bold accusation. And I don't

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Speaker 8: know if that could be proven, who knows, you know,

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Speaker 8: it's just he set the scene and it looks like

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Speaker 8: if he set that scene, that looks like it was

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Speaker 8: bought hookline and think of that that shooting occurred outside.

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Speaker 4: Oh wow.

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Speaker 2: And even the idea that you're paying for press and

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Speaker 2: I thought it was also pretty compelling.

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Speaker 4: Another legal question.

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Speaker 2: The social media influencer I think her name is Tisa.

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Speaker 2: I love her by the way. She's also on the dock.

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Speaker 2: We tried to have her on the show. I followed

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Speaker 2: her during this time too. She's excellent, and she basically

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Speaker 2: says that, Yeah, the legal team was going out and

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Speaker 2: trying to give transcriptions of the trial with some highlights

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Speaker 2: that would be really helpful for the defense if she

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Speaker 2: wouldn't mind, you know, using her influence in her social

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Speaker 2: media posts, and that others were doing that.

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Speaker 3: You don't think that that happens, but of course it does.

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Speaker 4: But it's so gross.

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Speaker 2: And I guess that's what social media is, these paid

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Speaker 2: platforms where what's all.

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Speaker 3: Pr, right, I mean, that's all it really is, sales

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Speaker 3: and PR. Yeah, yeah, And I.

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Speaker 12: Found that interesting at the beginning of the.

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Speaker 3: Door, It's very interesting.

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Speaker 12: Nobody cares about CNN, like you need to get out

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Speaker 12: there and get people out.

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Speaker 3: Of social media. You needed buzz out.

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Speaker 12: Everybody in the world is going to see that. That's

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01:12:02,560 --> 01:12:05,000
Speaker 12: the people I want to sell, right to Karen.

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Speaker 8: Reid, let's we bring up you know, and as a prosecutor,

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Speaker 8: you want to be focused on those jurors. That's that's

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Speaker 8: the thing that matters. But any prosecutor who tells you

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Speaker 8: they're not cognizant or considering what's going on outside is lying.

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Speaker 3: Is it illegal though to do that?

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Speaker 2: I would have assumed it's illegal to bring out transcripts

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Speaker 2: from a trial that and give highlights and feed that

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01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:33,040
Speaker 2: to the media or to super fans with a camera

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Speaker 2: who are on social media.

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Speaker 3: That's totally appropriate.

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Speaker 8: It is these are people who just couldn't get into

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Speaker 8: the courtroom. That's publication, so you can bring it's not

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Speaker 8: grand jury testimony, but that's a good question. So it

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01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:48,880
Speaker 8: is public and it's a fair game. Now you're highlighting,

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Speaker 8: you're giving a thumbnail like this is good. You know, this.

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Speaker 2: Is where you know he says he loves his mother,

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01:12:56,000 --> 01:12:58,880
Speaker 2: has his bible. When he has his Bible in his hand,

1393
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Speaker 2: use that, you know, sketch. Wow did he I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I don't know that there's a comeback from this one.

1395
01:13:05,920 --> 01:13:09,599
Speaker 2: And I feel mad at myself for having been a

1396
01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:12,439
Speaker 2: fan back in the day. But we didn't know, Like

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Speaker 2: we didn't know obviously, But what the hell is Jlo

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01:13:15,520 --> 01:13:19,200
Speaker 2: thinking right now? If she just that's the biggest exhale

1399
01:13:19,200 --> 01:13:23,800
Speaker 2: that she's not in it? Well, documentary said one word

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Speaker 2: like versty.

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Speaker 12: There's nothing like, there's something odd to me that she's

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01:13:29,560 --> 01:13:30,240
Speaker 12: not in it.

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Speaker 3: And I'm not.

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01:13:31,040 --> 01:13:33,559
Speaker 12: Such a big part of his life early on, you're

1405
01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:35,400
Speaker 12: not a fan of Jennifer Lopez. I think she's a

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01:13:36,560 --> 01:13:39,280
Speaker 12: Oh well, we'll have to discuss that off air because

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Speaker 12: I disagree that might.

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Speaker 7: Jlo Jenny's block and she doesn't even know nobody even

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01:13:45,400 --> 01:13:46,280
Speaker 7: knows anyway.

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Speaker 9: Okay, so Jared as as an attorney, what did anything

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01:13:52,200 --> 01:13:56,160
Speaker 9: else kind of raise your hackles watching this documentary or drop?

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01:13:56,360 --> 01:13:58,960
Speaker 3: Drop your jaw is my jaw and everyone's jaw? I

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01:13:58,960 --> 01:14:01,160
Speaker 3: think dropped watching Look.

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Speaker 8: I mean, obviously I'm moved by the victims. I too

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01:14:05,160 --> 01:14:07,120
Speaker 8: was moved by a little rod too. I was like,

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01:14:07,320 --> 01:14:11,599
Speaker 8: he's the guy who's little man talking about you know,

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01:14:11,640 --> 01:14:15,320
Speaker 8: he was hanging with the king of his industry. He's

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01:14:15,439 --> 01:14:18,360
Speaker 8: owed this money. It was the love album of all things,

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01:14:18,520 --> 01:14:20,839
Speaker 8: right with the love album.

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Speaker 3: I was rooting for him.

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01:14:22,600 --> 01:14:27,040
Speaker 8: I was moved by him everybody, but I could not

1422
01:14:27,280 --> 01:14:30,400
Speaker 8: escape that imagery of him puff Daddy with the key

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01:14:30,479 --> 01:14:33,080
Speaker 8: to the City of New York and to go to

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01:14:33,080 --> 01:14:36,960
Speaker 8: contract that with how it all ended, you know, that's

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01:14:37,080 --> 01:14:38,679
Speaker 8: to me was just so stark.

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Speaker 2: Oh, you are not kidding, You are not kidding, Like

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01:14:42,520 --> 01:14:46,160
Speaker 2: victim after victim after victim, and then the downfall and

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01:14:46,160 --> 01:14:49,080
Speaker 2: then the Biggie stuff. You know again, I think that's

1429
01:14:49,080 --> 01:14:51,080
Speaker 2: when I kind of really came on the scene to

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01:14:51,160 --> 01:14:51,880
Speaker 2: really love him.

1431
01:14:52,200 --> 01:14:55,320
Speaker 3: Was I loved his love of Biggie let alone. You know.

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Speaker 2: Now, the backstory is a little different than than it seems,

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01:14:58,680 --> 01:15:00,559
Speaker 2: and I guess that's the case. We see that this

1434
01:15:00,640 --> 01:15:02,840
Speaker 2: is I think it's so important that everyone's watching it

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01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:06,080
Speaker 2: because I do think it shows grooming and what it's

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01:15:06,200 --> 01:15:08,240
Speaker 2: like to be a victim who's afraid to come forward.

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Speaker 2: And I think we're seeing those those same sentiments in

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Speaker 2: the Epstein case as well.

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Speaker 4: Right, So the timing.

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01:15:15,360 --> 01:15:18,920
Speaker 3: For this documentary is particularly important. I think. I agreed.

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Speaker 8: I really enjoy you to please, sorry, buddy, I think

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01:15:23,080 --> 01:15:26,479
Speaker 8: you saw that. I see a lot of correlation between

1443
01:15:26,479 --> 01:15:29,160
Speaker 8: the Cosby case and this case. You know, yes, Bill

1444
01:15:29,280 --> 01:15:32,760
Speaker 8: Cosby was a television star, but he was beyond that.

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01:15:32,800 --> 01:15:35,679
Speaker 8: He was very wealthy, he was influential in education. Did

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01:15:35,720 --> 01:15:39,040
Speaker 8: he was very much like Cosby? He exceeded like like

1447
01:15:39,439 --> 01:15:42,519
Speaker 8: your grandmother knew who did he was? And that's exact

1448
01:15:42,920 --> 01:15:47,880
Speaker 8: like he transcended he did the rap world. Okay, but

1449
01:15:47,960 --> 01:15:51,040
Speaker 8: when you look at that, how if you're a victim

1450
01:15:51,040 --> 01:15:53,360
Speaker 8: of sexual assault to that person holding the key to

1451
01:15:53,400 --> 01:15:55,960
Speaker 8: the city, who's worth half a billion dollars, what do

1452
01:15:56,040 --> 01:15:58,720
Speaker 8: you do? Who do you talk to? You don't believe.

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01:15:58,439 --> 01:16:01,160
Speaker 2: You, Nobody believes you, and nobody is the answer, will

1454
01:16:01,200 --> 01:16:03,760
Speaker 2: believe you. And I think this is why things like

1455
01:16:03,840 --> 01:16:07,240
Speaker 2: today and case files and grand jury testimony in the

1456
01:16:07,280 --> 01:16:11,360
Speaker 2: Epstein files being being made public. I think is such

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01:16:11,400 --> 01:16:14,479
Speaker 2: an important piece of the puzzle for victims because honestly,

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01:16:14,520 --> 01:16:16,639
Speaker 2: if you look back on this last year, if you're

1459
01:16:16,680 --> 01:16:20,080
Speaker 2: a victim and you come forward, really not much great

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01:16:20,200 --> 01:16:22,880
Speaker 2: came out of that for any of them, including in

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Speaker 2: the Diddy case. People put their lives on the line

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Speaker 2: to take the stand to be public about their their

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01:16:27,880 --> 01:16:30,360
Speaker 2: most horrible moments and the shame that comes with that.

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Speaker 3: Then to get the public bashing that.

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01:16:32,200 --> 01:16:35,040
Speaker 2: They get, then they get no one even believes them,

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01:16:35,439 --> 01:16:38,360
Speaker 2: or even if they do believe them, nobody cares. And

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Speaker 2: this is an example and a reminder that we really

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Speaker 2: do care.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, and you mentioned the grooming Stephanie and how appropriate

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Speaker 7: is at this time and the Little Rod segment of

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Speaker 7: the grooming. I thought it was so well done because

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Speaker 7: like little Rob was doing a job. You know, he

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01:16:56,000 --> 01:16:58,920
Speaker 7: got this, He won this gig. He was very talented.

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Speaker 7: He created the song that did he wanted, the style

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Speaker 7: that did he wanted. He got basically hired to do this.

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Speaker 7: They worked for a very long time on it, and

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Speaker 7: you know, Little Rod's like, you know, this is going

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Speaker 7: to change my life, my kids, my grandchildren, this is

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Speaker 7: going to change my life. And you can see how

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01:17:17,840 --> 01:17:21,799
Speaker 7: Little Rod was being strung along, that carrot is being

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01:17:22,040 --> 01:17:24,679
Speaker 7: dangled in front of him. This is going to change

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01:17:24,720 --> 01:17:27,080
Speaker 7: your life. You want those shoes, You got to jump

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01:17:27,120 --> 01:17:30,800
Speaker 7: this high. You can see the grooming happening live like

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01:17:30,840 --> 01:17:33,840
Speaker 7: almost right Like I just thought it was that part

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Speaker 7: of the documentary and the visualization of the grooming was

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Speaker 7: so well done, and I immediately understood it, like, I

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Speaker 7: just think they did a fabulous job.

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Speaker 2: With that, because many don't get that part of it. No,

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01:17:46,280 --> 01:17:49,400
Speaker 2: they don't outsider looking in it's like what land were

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Speaker 2: you living in?

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Speaker 4: Like what I have to do?

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01:17:50,720 --> 01:17:52,320
Speaker 2: Come under that this was able to happen to you,

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01:17:52,360 --> 01:17:54,920
Speaker 2: And you're like, it's hard to explain, but when you're

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Speaker 2: probably in the beehive, it's really hard to see it.

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Speaker 4: And by the way, it's a system.

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Speaker 7: Right, Jarrett, thank you so much for joining us tonight.

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Speaker 7: We'd be lost without you. We love you very much.

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Speaker 7: You can find more of Jarrett on Instagram and YouTube

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Speaker 7: at Jarrett Farentino and pre order his upcoming book on Amazon.

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Speaker 7: It's called Mothers, Murders and Motivation. Stick around because we've

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Speaker 7: got a lot more to get into. Stick around true

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Speaker 7: Crime Tonight.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

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01:18:34,880 --> 01:18:37,720
Speaker 2: true crime all the time. I'm loving this show and

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Speaker 2: I'm so glad we're digging into all things Diddy. And

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01:18:40,439 --> 01:18:44,360
Speaker 2: we also still have to get to accused killer, accused

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Speaker 2: killer wife Brian Walsh back in court today.

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Speaker 4: This guy.

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Speaker 2: But let's just to put a cap on all things

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Speaker 2: Diddy for the moment, because I know we'll continue this conversation,

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Speaker 2: so again, please give us your thoughts as they come.

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Speaker 2: But any other last minute thoughts from you guys about

1513
01:19:01,640 --> 01:19:01,960
Speaker 2: the doc.

1514
01:19:03,400 --> 01:19:06,080
Speaker 7: I'm gonna watch it again because I mean it really,

1515
01:19:06,120 --> 01:19:08,799
Speaker 7: I really did enjoy it. It was very well done.

1516
01:19:09,320 --> 01:19:12,000
Speaker 7: And I you know you mentioned Aubrey Day. I thought

1517
01:19:12,040 --> 01:19:13,880
Speaker 7: she was just phenomenal.

1518
01:19:13,320 --> 01:19:14,439
Speaker 3: In hapercorn Clark.

1519
01:19:15,320 --> 01:19:15,559
Speaker 9: It was.

1520
01:19:15,680 --> 01:19:18,439
Speaker 7: It was very interesting to see, you know, we had

1521
01:19:18,479 --> 01:19:20,160
Speaker 7: we had heard about the things that they had said

1522
01:19:20,200 --> 01:19:23,479
Speaker 7: when they were testifying, but actually seeing them and seeing

1523
01:19:23,520 --> 01:19:25,960
Speaker 7: them say things, and you can see that they're real

1524
01:19:26,040 --> 01:19:31,320
Speaker 7: people with real emotions and real souls. Like it's just

1525
01:19:31,840 --> 01:19:34,920
Speaker 7: it's so good and I implore many, many, many people

1526
01:19:34,960 --> 01:19:35,280
Speaker 7: to watch.

1527
01:19:35,320 --> 01:19:36,760
Speaker 3: It's very good, I.

1528
01:19:36,760 --> 01:19:39,679
Speaker 2: Think for victims everywhere. It's such an important story. Two

1529
01:19:39,680 --> 01:19:42,080
Speaker 2: other quick things we wanted to say. One, I couldn't

1530
01:19:42,120 --> 01:19:44,280
Speaker 2: stand the fact that he had that guy following him

1531
01:19:44,280 --> 01:19:46,200
Speaker 2: around with the with the necklace.

1532
01:19:47,880 --> 01:19:50,960
Speaker 3: The chain off and was holding the phone for him.

1533
01:19:51,000 --> 01:19:54,240
Speaker 3: But is this guy, this guy following him around this job?

1534
01:19:54,439 --> 01:19:58,000
Speaker 2: Yes, that job called exactly a handler or a butler.

1535
01:19:58,080 --> 01:20:01,679
Speaker 2: It's disgusting. And then we're those two jurors. I think

1536
01:20:01,720 --> 01:20:04,840
Speaker 2: both of them said so much, and I, you know, again,

1537
01:20:04,920 --> 01:20:07,080
Speaker 2: not to I don't want to disparage them, but like

1538
01:20:07,160 --> 01:20:11,160
Speaker 2: the gentleman juror Boyd, does he say so clearly with

1539
01:20:11,320 --> 01:20:14,200
Speaker 2: which I know many people feel this way, but like Boyd,

1540
01:20:14,200 --> 01:20:16,760
Speaker 2: does he not understand the cycle of abuse? Like that

1541
01:20:16,920 --> 01:20:20,080
Speaker 2: is a clear example of somebody who does not understand

1542
01:20:20,600 --> 01:20:24,040
Speaker 2: what domestic abuses like with the fear or the shame

1543
01:20:24,160 --> 01:20:28,120
Speaker 2: and the silence that comes with And is hearing him

1544
01:20:28,160 --> 01:20:29,160
Speaker 2: say it so clearly?

1545
01:20:29,200 --> 01:20:31,760
Speaker 3: It was like, huh, I wonder if he watches this back?

1546
01:20:31,840 --> 01:20:33,639
Speaker 4: Will will he hear it differently?

1547
01:20:33,960 --> 01:20:34,280
Speaker 3: Do you think?

1548
01:20:34,280 --> 01:20:37,439
Speaker 2: I'm sure he'll watch it. And then the other juror too,

1549
01:20:37,439 --> 01:20:39,400
Speaker 2: who seemed like a super fan. I feel for her

1550
01:20:39,400 --> 01:20:42,040
Speaker 2: because she's getting a lot of a lot of bashing

1551
01:20:42,080 --> 01:20:44,280
Speaker 2: online and I never like that either.

1552
01:20:44,280 --> 01:20:46,600
Speaker 3: I don't like it lashing of any of them, but

1553
01:20:47,920 --> 01:20:49,920
Speaker 3: she does seem a little biased and.

1554
01:20:49,920 --> 01:20:52,840
Speaker 2: It seems like, you know, yeah, did He's a really influential,

1555
01:20:53,840 --> 01:20:57,960
Speaker 2: charismatic guy, apparently even when he's standing trial, because she

1556
01:20:58,080 --> 01:21:00,439
Speaker 2: seemed to have like, you know, inside I with him.

1557
01:21:00,479 --> 01:21:03,280
Speaker 2: And again I wonder if she watches this documentary and

1558
01:21:04,160 --> 01:21:06,879
Speaker 2: hears herself and see things, sees things differently.

1559
01:21:07,760 --> 01:21:10,280
Speaker 3: Now you would hope he would help. It would cause

1560
01:21:10,320 --> 01:21:12,519
Speaker 3: some reflection. Did she sneak in and how did she

1561
01:21:12,560 --> 01:21:14,080
Speaker 3: sneak into that? How did that?

1562
01:21:14,760 --> 01:21:15,080
Speaker 8: Yeah?

1563
01:21:16,040 --> 01:21:19,000
Speaker 9: I don't know the thing that And this is about

1564
01:21:19,240 --> 01:21:23,960
Speaker 9: seventy seconds into it. When did He is again being

1565
01:21:24,000 --> 01:21:26,520
Speaker 9: followed by a camera of his own, asking.

1566
01:21:27,640 --> 01:21:28,840
Speaker 3: For a movie that doesn't exist.

1567
01:21:29,479 --> 01:21:32,280
Speaker 9: I mean, Stephanie, he is the definition of megalomaniac, which

1568
01:21:32,280 --> 01:21:33,160
Speaker 9: we talking about all the time.

1569
01:21:33,200 --> 01:21:37,000
Speaker 3: That is meal mad I am God. Yeah, but he.

1570
01:21:38,520 --> 01:21:42,160
Speaker 9: What he says is when he's speaking to his lawyer

1571
01:21:42,200 --> 01:21:44,559
Speaker 9: in terms of what kind of pr people you need,

1572
01:21:45,160 --> 01:21:48,040
Speaker 9: said we need people who've dealt with the dirtiest of

1573
01:21:48,120 --> 01:21:51,880
Speaker 9: the dirtiest of the dirt. And he is referring to

1574
01:21:52,640 --> 01:21:56,720
Speaker 9: himself in welcome to the documentary.

1575
01:21:57,479 --> 01:21:57,639
Speaker 8: Now.

1576
01:21:57,680 --> 01:21:59,840
Speaker 2: The two things that they didn't touch upon, which I'm

1577
01:21:59,840 --> 01:22:01,840
Speaker 2: sure there'll be more of this, you know. The The

1578
01:22:02,120 --> 01:22:04,679
Speaker 2: assertion is that there's more to come, and that there's

1579
01:22:04,800 --> 01:22:08,920
Speaker 2: a season two. Whether it's centered around Diddy, we don't know,

1580
01:22:09,040 --> 01:22:12,520
Speaker 2: but according to fifty cent, there's a second documentary underway.

1581
01:22:13,000 --> 01:22:17,040
Speaker 2: They didn't get too deeply into kim Porter his deceased

1582
01:22:17,080 --> 01:22:22,200
Speaker 2: wife and her mysterious death, which has long been speculated about.

1583
01:22:22,320 --> 01:22:24,920
Speaker 2: She sort of just died in her sleep from unusual,

1584
01:22:25,000 --> 01:22:25,839
Speaker 2: unknown causes.

1585
01:22:27,280 --> 01:22:28,519
Speaker 4: Always has been interesting to me.

1586
01:22:28,920 --> 01:22:30,360
Speaker 3: Speaking of Yes.

1587
01:22:30,240 --> 01:22:32,799
Speaker 7: Speaking of kim Porter, I texted you guys earlier today

1588
01:22:33,320 --> 01:22:35,439
Speaker 7: one thing I'd watch. I was right in the middle

1589
01:22:35,479 --> 01:22:39,920
Speaker 7: of the documentary. I'll be sure. He looks amazing.

1590
01:22:40,080 --> 01:22:40,880
Speaker 3: He looks great.

1591
01:22:41,000 --> 01:22:44,160
Speaker 7: Yeah, totally unrelied. But oh, Mike, I was like, that's

1592
01:22:44,200 --> 01:22:47,080
Speaker 7: not al be sure. He looks better today than he

1593
01:22:47,120 --> 01:22:49,639
Speaker 7: did back. He looks so good. Good for you, Alby, sir,

1594
01:22:49,680 --> 01:22:50,040
Speaker 7: I'm happy.

1595
01:22:50,360 --> 01:22:50,720
Speaker 3: Good for you.

1596
01:22:50,760 --> 01:22:52,040
Speaker 4: I'll be sure, but I'll be sure.

1597
01:22:52,080 --> 01:22:55,679
Speaker 2: Specifically has been very public about his assertion, so I'll

1598
01:22:55,680 --> 01:22:57,679
Speaker 2: be sure. Just for the play along, you guys, remember

1599
01:22:57,680 --> 01:23:01,040
Speaker 2: Albi Shore from yester year, a famous singer. He had

1600
01:23:01,400 --> 01:23:05,240
Speaker 2: a child with his then girlfriend, I think, or maybe

1601
01:23:05,240 --> 01:23:08,360
Speaker 2: it was his wife, Kim Porter. So kim Porter who

1602
01:23:09,000 --> 01:23:12,160
Speaker 2: later goes on to be with Ditty. So essentially the

1603
01:23:12,240 --> 01:23:17,080
Speaker 2: accusation from Albi Shore is that Ditty basically stole kim

1604
01:23:17,200 --> 01:23:21,960
Speaker 2: Porter from Albi Shore, and Kim and Albi Shore had

1605
01:23:22,000 --> 01:23:26,360
Speaker 2: already had a child together. Quincy and al be sure

1606
01:23:26,800 --> 01:23:30,160
Speaker 2: after kim Porter's death, which was not that that long ago,

1607
01:23:30,280 --> 01:23:33,280
Speaker 2: probably five years ago, six years ago, maybe twenty eight.

1608
01:23:33,520 --> 01:23:36,840
Speaker 2: She died of like mysterious circumstances or had some sort

1609
01:23:36,840 --> 01:23:37,599
Speaker 2: of a heart condition.

1610
01:23:37,920 --> 01:23:39,160
Speaker 4: She died in her sleep, essentially.

1611
01:23:39,880 --> 01:23:42,160
Speaker 2: Albi Shore is the one that was saying he thinks

1612
01:23:42,200 --> 01:23:44,160
Speaker 2: that it's really suspicious and he wants that to be

1613
01:23:44,200 --> 01:23:46,680
Speaker 2: looked into. When he wanted to have her body exhumed,

1614
01:23:47,120 --> 01:23:50,559
Speaker 2: and he was squarely also pointing his finger at Ditty

1615
01:23:51,080 --> 01:23:54,839
Speaker 2: saying that there was a cause of death related to him.

1616
01:23:55,160 --> 01:23:56,160
Speaker 4: And then it kind of went away.

1617
01:23:56,520 --> 01:23:59,240
Speaker 2: But Albi Suore has been pretty prominent saying that, and

1618
01:23:59,280 --> 01:24:01,840
Speaker 2: I've seen it many times in press, so I was

1619
01:24:01,840 --> 01:24:03,479
Speaker 2: surprised that that was not added.

1620
01:24:04,000 --> 01:24:05,400
Speaker 4: I wonder if that's still to come.

1621
01:24:05,760 --> 01:24:08,400
Speaker 7: Well, they might have, I mean maybe the production company

1622
01:24:08,520 --> 01:24:11,040
Speaker 7: or even Netflix themselves were like, and there's.

1623
01:24:10,920 --> 01:24:14,200
Speaker 2: Really notice tells boy killer stories, right, but there's there's

1624
01:24:14,200 --> 01:24:15,519
Speaker 2: still a lot to unpack with that.

1625
01:24:16,160 --> 01:24:17,439
Speaker 4: And also that interesting.

1626
01:24:17,479 --> 01:24:19,400
Speaker 2: You know, we talked about this many many months ago

1627
01:24:19,439 --> 01:24:22,760
Speaker 2: when we were covering the trial real time that when

1628
01:24:22,840 --> 01:24:27,680
Speaker 2: kim Porter Diddy's X, who he has several children with,

1629
01:24:28,160 --> 01:24:31,040
Speaker 2: including his beloved twins, when she died.

1630
01:24:31,920 --> 01:24:32,680
Speaker 3: Corey.

1631
01:24:32,920 --> 01:24:38,799
Speaker 2: Corey, who is Chris Jenner's current boyfriend, was like somehow

1632
01:24:38,840 --> 01:24:41,880
Speaker 2: at the crime scene and they were yeah, he was there,

1633
01:24:42,040 --> 01:24:45,400
Speaker 2: and there were sometimes multiple There's a photograph of him,

1634
01:24:45,439 --> 01:24:48,520
Speaker 2: and there seemed to have been two cause of death reports,

1635
01:24:48,640 --> 01:24:52,080
Speaker 2: which is also kind of unusual. So anyway, that's the

1636
01:24:52,080 --> 01:24:52,880
Speaker 2: the scatterbuch.

1637
01:24:53,000 --> 01:24:56,920
Speaker 3: What is it? This scuttle b Maybe we should about that.

1638
01:24:57,640 --> 01:24:59,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I've just been super curious. I thought that

1639
01:25:00,120 --> 01:25:02,280
Speaker 2: that rabbit hole so so many times. So that was

1640
01:25:02,320 --> 01:25:04,760
Speaker 2: something that I was expecting to be in there. And yeah,

1641
01:25:04,880 --> 01:25:07,400
Speaker 2: j Loo seemed to not get too much coverage. Obviously

1642
01:25:07,400 --> 01:25:10,559
Speaker 2: she was at the nightclub for that infamous shooting. I'm

1643
01:25:10,560 --> 01:25:13,479
Speaker 2: always so curious, like what happens behind the scenes where

1644
01:25:13,520 --> 01:25:14,320
Speaker 2: things silent?

1645
01:25:14,439 --> 01:25:17,120
Speaker 3: Her too, what happened? He has Keisha his sister.

1646
01:25:17,880 --> 01:25:20,160
Speaker 12: Like they almost made it seem like he's an holy child,

1647
01:25:20,280 --> 01:25:20,960
Speaker 12: Like I think.

1648
01:25:20,880 --> 01:25:23,439
Speaker 2: They genuinely did do that. She he does have a sister.

1649
01:25:23,560 --> 01:25:26,240
Speaker 2: She does somehow work in business. She's been very private,

1650
01:25:27,400 --> 01:25:29,439
Speaker 2: has a family of her own in a different last name.

1651
01:25:29,520 --> 01:25:32,400
Speaker 2: I think she goes by Keisha Combs and has really

1652
01:25:32,479 --> 01:25:35,800
Speaker 2: virtually stayed out of the spotlight, although KK who we've

1653
01:25:35,840 --> 01:25:39,160
Speaker 2: talked a lot about, is like the Gilain Maxwell of

1654
01:25:39,560 --> 01:25:43,160
Speaker 2: Combs Enterprises who stayed out of the trial altogether.

1655
01:25:43,280 --> 01:25:44,040
Speaker 3: This last time.

1656
01:25:44,960 --> 01:25:48,120
Speaker 2: She's in the documentary, and I can't imagine that she's

1657
01:25:48,160 --> 01:25:50,639
Speaker 2: not getting sucked into a lot of civil lawsuits as well.

1658
01:25:50,960 --> 01:25:51,880
Speaker 3: Oh absolutely.

1659
01:25:52,040 --> 01:25:54,200
Speaker 7: I mean people even went to her and told her

1660
01:25:54,280 --> 01:25:56,920
Speaker 7: what was going on, and she was just like, yeah,

1661
01:25:57,760 --> 01:26:00,679
Speaker 7: you know what I mean, Like she didn't hear it. Yeah,

1662
01:26:00,840 --> 01:26:02,360
Speaker 7: I think we're gonna hear from her for sure.

1663
01:26:02,720 --> 01:26:03,240
Speaker 4: Sickening.

1664
01:26:04,160 --> 01:26:04,439
Speaker 8: Wow.

1665
01:26:04,479 --> 01:26:06,240
Speaker 7: This is true crime tonight on iHeart Radio, where we're

1666
01:26:06,240 --> 01:26:07,800
Speaker 7: talking true crime all the time. We're right in the

1667
01:26:07,840 --> 01:26:10,400
Speaker 7: middle of kind of like unpacking the Diddy documentary and

1668
01:26:10,439 --> 01:26:13,879
Speaker 7: out on Netflix right now. It's called Sean Comb's The Wreckinging.

1669
01:26:14,360 --> 01:26:16,080
Speaker 7: If you want to weigh in, hit us up on

1670
01:26:16,120 --> 01:26:18,200
Speaker 7: the talkbacks, download the iHeart Radio app with the little

1671
01:26:18,240 --> 01:26:20,559
Speaker 7: microphone and boom you're on the show. We have like

1672
01:26:20,600 --> 01:26:22,320
Speaker 7: a few minutes left and I have got to tell

1673
01:26:22,360 --> 01:26:23,479
Speaker 7: you guys what happen today.

1674
01:26:23,560 --> 01:26:25,599
Speaker 3: Yes, in Brian Walsh trial.

1675
01:26:26,920 --> 01:26:29,280
Speaker 7: So today was the eighth day in the murder trial

1676
01:26:29,320 --> 01:26:32,960
Speaker 7: for the accused Massachusetts wife killer Brian Walsh. Court testimony

1677
01:26:33,000 --> 01:26:36,840
Speaker 7: today focused on like the personal relationships and activities that

1678
01:26:36,920 --> 01:26:40,560
Speaker 7: Brian Walsh and the victim in this case, Anna Walsh,

1679
01:26:40,680 --> 01:26:43,520
Speaker 7: in the days leading up to her quote unquote disappearance.

1680
01:26:43,600 --> 01:26:46,920
Speaker 3: Okay. Brian Walsh is on trial for the first degree

1681
01:26:47,000 --> 01:26:47,960
Speaker 3: murder of his wife.

1682
01:26:48,280 --> 01:26:51,439
Speaker 7: Her name is Anna, Anna sorry, Anna Walsh, who went

1683
01:26:51,479 --> 01:26:56,040
Speaker 7: missing January of twenty twenty three. The prosecutors are alleging

1684
01:26:56,080 --> 01:26:59,799
Speaker 7: that Brian Walsh killed Anna, while the defense is arguing

1685
01:26:59,840 --> 01:27:04,920
Speaker 7: that the victim died of sudden, unexplained death. Brian Walsh

1686
01:27:04,960 --> 01:27:08,640
Speaker 7: has pled guilty to dismembering her and misleading police, but

1687
01:27:08,760 --> 01:27:12,400
Speaker 7: he has pled not guilty to her murder. So today

1688
01:27:12,439 --> 01:27:16,160
Speaker 7: the main testimony today, Oh, it was very emotional. It

1689
01:27:16,200 --> 01:27:20,080
Speaker 7: was all like friends and whatnot of Brian and Anna.

1690
01:27:20,200 --> 01:27:20,559
Speaker 3: Okay.

1691
01:27:21,280 --> 01:27:24,479
Speaker 7: And the first one his name is Jen I'm sorry,

1692
01:27:24,640 --> 01:27:29,360
Speaker 7: Jem Mootlu and he was a close friend to both

1693
01:27:30,080 --> 01:27:33,040
Speaker 7: the accused of Brian Walsh and of course the victim,

1694
01:27:33,080 --> 01:27:36,000
Speaker 7: Anna Walsh. They and he spent New Year's Eve with

1695
01:27:36,040 --> 01:27:38,800
Speaker 7: a couple, which was just like literally the day before

1696
01:27:38,800 --> 01:27:42,640
Speaker 7: she went missing, right, Okay, So he said that, you know,

1697
01:27:42,920 --> 01:27:44,880
Speaker 7: I'm going to summarize this very quickly. He said, everything

1698
01:27:44,960 --> 01:27:47,280
Speaker 7: was fine, he said, there were no problems. The night

1699
01:27:47,360 --> 01:27:52,799
Speaker 7: was great. They they they took pictures. Anna was texting

1700
01:27:52,880 --> 01:27:55,040
Speaker 7: during the evening and suggested, hey, let's take a picture

1701
01:27:55,040 --> 01:27:58,759
Speaker 7: and they sent it to her little boyfriend will Fasto.

1702
01:27:59,120 --> 01:28:03,320
Speaker 7: That was pretty interesting, and Jem said that he observed

1703
01:28:03,360 --> 01:28:06,760
Speaker 7: no problems that night. But he did say that he

1704
01:28:06,840 --> 01:28:09,760
Speaker 7: knew about the that there were some marital issues and

1705
01:28:09,800 --> 01:28:12,160
Speaker 7: that her travel schedule because she was traveling a lot

1706
01:28:12,160 --> 01:28:14,640
Speaker 7: for work, was taking a toll on the marriage, and

1707
01:28:14,680 --> 01:28:17,640
Speaker 7: it was distressing that Brian had to remain in Massachusetts

1708
01:28:17,640 --> 01:28:18,200
Speaker 7: with the children.

1709
01:28:18,240 --> 01:28:18,479
Speaker 8: Again.

1710
01:28:18,880 --> 01:28:20,040
Speaker 3: Brian was getting ready to go.

1711
01:28:19,960 --> 01:28:22,640
Speaker 7: To jail for this federal art fraud okay, so he

1712
01:28:22,680 --> 01:28:25,439
Speaker 7: really couldn't travel. So that was causing a lot of

1713
01:28:25,479 --> 01:28:27,519
Speaker 7: strain on the marriage and it was he was very

1714
01:28:27,520 --> 01:28:30,759
Speaker 7: emotional in the stand. Jem was, it was pretty sad.

1715
01:28:31,200 --> 01:28:33,080
Speaker 7: One thing that was interesting that I definitely want to

1716
01:28:33,080 --> 01:28:35,479
Speaker 7: get it in before we wrap up. There was a

1717
01:28:35,760 --> 01:28:39,480
Speaker 7: the federal probation officer that Brian had been assigned testified

1718
01:28:39,479 --> 01:28:43,280
Speaker 7: today as well. She was his probation officer in this

1719
01:28:43,360 --> 01:28:47,880
Speaker 7: federal art fraud case, okay, and she said that, you know,

1720
01:28:48,160 --> 01:28:52,480
Speaker 7: during this time Brian was this home confinement with specific

1721
01:28:52,520 --> 01:28:54,240
Speaker 7: approved windows for leaving.

1722
01:28:54,520 --> 01:28:57,160
Speaker 3: Okay, so when he.

1723
01:28:56,360 --> 01:28:58,479
Speaker 7: Needed to leave the house, he needed to get approval

1724
01:28:58,560 --> 01:29:03,439
Speaker 7: because he was basically arrests. Okay, and remember the one

1725
01:29:03,479 --> 01:29:07,320
Speaker 7: of the defenses things is Brian even made reservations at

1726
01:29:07,360 --> 01:29:12,640
Speaker 7: the dinner for us first while the federal probation officers like,

1727
01:29:13,280 --> 01:29:14,439
Speaker 7: he never got approval for that.

1728
01:29:15,160 --> 01:29:18,920
Speaker 3: Wood go to Low's, He probably got approval for that.

1729
01:29:19,400 --> 01:29:21,080
Speaker 4: I have to go to Lows to get some equipment

1730
01:29:21,160 --> 01:29:21,960
Speaker 4: to go pack up.

1731
01:29:22,479 --> 01:29:23,960
Speaker 7: Wouldn't say I had to go to Low's to my

1732
01:29:24,120 --> 01:29:27,479
Speaker 7: hack saw, you know, So yeah, I got it.

1733
01:29:27,520 --> 01:29:29,120
Speaker 4: I thought that was that interesting.

1734
01:29:29,160 --> 01:29:31,080
Speaker 7: He had to have permission to go to the grocery store,

1735
01:29:31,080 --> 01:29:34,600
Speaker 7: but not other non essential items like he didn't he

1736
01:29:34,800 --> 01:29:38,679
Speaker 7: he probably had to get approval for it. So yeah,

1737
01:29:39,000 --> 01:29:43,400
Speaker 7: that's uh ooh scary. Anyway, I thought that was very interesting.

1738
01:29:43,520 --> 01:29:48,360
Speaker 7: Another person that testified today was Anna's close friend Alyssa Kirby,

1739
01:29:48,960 --> 01:29:51,760
Speaker 7: and she described the victim as like a sister to her.

1740
01:29:51,840 --> 01:29:54,960
Speaker 7: They were very close. She recalled that Anna was at

1741
01:29:55,000 --> 01:29:57,600
Speaker 7: a breaking point on December twenty ninth, showing that she

1742
01:29:57,760 --> 01:30:01,200
Speaker 7: was really upset while driving back two Massachusetts from her

1743
01:30:01,280 --> 01:30:06,120
Speaker 7: job in DC. And Anna wanted Brian to take responsibility

1744
01:30:06,120 --> 01:30:09,760
Speaker 7: for his legal situation. Anne was exploring ways to get

1745
01:30:09,760 --> 01:30:12,120
Speaker 7: her children to be with her in DC full time.

1746
01:30:12,920 --> 01:30:15,360
Speaker 9: She had set up if I remember correctly, she had

1747
01:30:15,520 --> 01:30:17,320
Speaker 9: set up spaces for them to stay.

1748
01:30:17,479 --> 01:30:19,160
Speaker 3: She wanted them so desperately.

1749
01:30:19,680 --> 01:30:22,960
Speaker 7: Yeah, she did, so, you know, basically the the oh,

1750
01:30:23,040 --> 01:30:25,720
Speaker 7: by the way, the most important thing the state, the

1751
01:30:25,760 --> 01:30:29,599
Speaker 7: Commonwealth of Massachusetts rusted today. So we're going to start

1752
01:30:29,640 --> 01:30:33,000
Speaker 7: hearing from the defense next. It's going to be very

1753
01:30:33,040 --> 01:30:35,000
Speaker 7: interesting to hear what their defense is going to be.

1754
01:30:35,520 --> 01:30:38,280
Speaker 2: I can't waite care poor Anna to shreds because she

1755
01:30:38,360 --> 01:30:41,680
Speaker 2: was married to this super monster clown and she had

1756
01:30:41,680 --> 01:30:44,559
Speaker 2: a job in a different city and probably had she

1757
01:30:44,600 --> 01:30:47,840
Speaker 2: had probably fallen for somebody who treated her nicely and

1758
01:30:48,040 --> 01:30:50,120
Speaker 2: wanted to move her kids out of this you know,

1759
01:30:50,240 --> 01:30:52,040
Speaker 2: hell hole that she was in with him.

1760
01:30:52,439 --> 01:30:53,799
Speaker 4: They're going to rip the shreds.

1761
01:30:53,800 --> 01:30:57,639
Speaker 7: And speaking of hellhole, the friend that testified today, Alissa,

1762
01:30:58,280 --> 01:31:01,840
Speaker 7: she said that she knew that Anna and Brian hadn't

1763
01:31:01,880 --> 01:31:04,640
Speaker 7: been intimate for almost a year and that Anna was

1764
01:31:04,680 --> 01:31:07,439
Speaker 7: like really depressed because of his situation and what a

1765
01:31:07,479 --> 01:31:08,519
Speaker 7: scumbag she married.

1766
01:31:08,960 --> 01:31:11,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, she didn't say I'm paraphrasing right, right, right.

1767
01:31:11,439 --> 01:31:16,320
Speaker 7: But she also said that she knew that Anna had

1768
01:31:16,360 --> 01:31:19,519
Speaker 7: like this little crush on will you know, her little

1769
01:31:19,520 --> 01:31:21,360
Speaker 7: boyfriend that she had. I keep saying a little boyfriend.

1770
01:31:21,360 --> 01:31:24,360
Speaker 7: I don't know why, but her boyfriend that she had.

1771
01:31:25,120 --> 01:31:27,800
Speaker 7: But she did not know that about an affair, which

1772
01:31:27,840 --> 01:31:31,240
Speaker 7: was interesting to me that Anna never confided in her about.

1773
01:31:31,000 --> 01:31:34,000
Speaker 12: The friend that she was not having, you know, a

1774
01:31:34,080 --> 01:31:35,160
Speaker 12: relationship with her husband.

1775
01:31:35,320 --> 01:31:42,200
Speaker 2: But everybody her friend appened on the stand after her death,

1776
01:31:42,720 --> 01:31:45,160
Speaker 2: you know, like to just take to the grave like

1777
01:31:45,200 --> 01:31:47,920
Speaker 2: that is like she did. If she did know, she

1778
01:31:47,960 --> 01:31:50,519
Speaker 2: did the right thing by not saying on the stand.

1779
01:31:50,720 --> 01:31:52,320
Speaker 2: But I think that's what's going to come, is they're

1780
01:31:52,320 --> 01:31:55,519
Speaker 2: going to rip her to shreds, you know, her memory

1781
01:31:55,600 --> 01:31:56,360
Speaker 2: to shred well.

1782
01:31:56,439 --> 01:32:00,760
Speaker 9: I hope not, Stephanie, because also that would particularly makes

1783
01:32:00,800 --> 01:32:04,639
Speaker 9: the defense look bad because they're saying that Brian Walsh,

1784
01:32:04,800 --> 01:32:10,600
Speaker 9: the accused murderer, had no knowledge right of that's affair.

1785
01:32:11,040 --> 01:32:13,920
Speaker 3: Taking away the motives, So that would be a real I.

1786
01:32:13,920 --> 01:32:17,320
Speaker 7: Forgot something really important. I think this This federal probation

1787
01:32:17,400 --> 01:32:20,840
Speaker 7: officer's testimony was very good, and one thing that she

1788
01:32:21,000 --> 01:32:26,160
Speaker 7: said was that Brian Walsh requested on January first, he

1789
01:32:26,200 --> 01:32:27,559
Speaker 7: was going to need to leave the house to help

1790
01:32:27,600 --> 01:32:31,280
Speaker 7: his mother. Okay, keep that in mind. Keep that in mind.

1791
01:32:31,640 --> 01:32:34,480
Speaker 7: He made that request on December twenty second.

1792
01:32:34,960 --> 01:32:38,680
Speaker 3: Oh advance, and he went to her house. That's all

1793
01:32:38,720 --> 01:32:42,559
Speaker 3: the dumping that side of his mother's house.

1794
01:32:42,760 --> 01:32:44,719
Speaker 7: So I think that the I think what the Commonwealth

1795
01:32:44,840 --> 01:32:47,160
Speaker 7: is trying to do is show like the premeditation, like

1796
01:32:47,400 --> 01:32:49,120
Speaker 7: the things that he that he was planning.

1797
01:32:49,320 --> 01:32:51,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, interesting, it makes sense.

1798
01:32:51,400 --> 01:32:53,439
Speaker 2: Can you imagine you're at the New Year's Eve party

1799
01:32:53,479 --> 01:32:56,479
Speaker 2: with them, knowing, well, now that the guy that you

1800
01:32:56,520 --> 01:32:59,760
Speaker 2: were celebrating New Year's Eve with had already plotted a

1801
01:33:00,080 --> 01:33:03,000
Speaker 2: days prior to kill the woman that you're also spending

1802
01:33:03,040 --> 01:33:03,519
Speaker 2: time with.

1803
01:33:03,960 --> 01:33:06,920
Speaker 7: Right and on j She also said that January second,

1804
01:33:07,000 --> 01:33:10,800
Speaker 7: he left the house unauthorized leave, and that Brian said, oh,

1805
01:33:10,800 --> 01:33:13,559
Speaker 7: he was just picking up the kids. So I think

1806
01:33:13,600 --> 01:33:15,200
Speaker 7: but I think that's when he made the Low's trip.

1807
01:33:15,880 --> 01:33:18,400
Speaker 3: Wow. I think I have to go back and look.

1808
01:33:18,439 --> 01:33:21,280
Speaker 2: But I think that's what anyway, not try to tear

1809
01:33:21,320 --> 01:33:23,960
Speaker 2: her to shreds or like saying we're going to.

1810
01:33:23,880 --> 01:33:26,240
Speaker 7: See, we're going to see, we're going to see starting tomorrow,

1811
01:33:26,240 --> 01:33:30,400
Speaker 7: property we believe tomorrow, I believe I'm going to be

1812
01:33:30,520 --> 01:33:32,720
Speaker 7: very interested to see if they mentioned Michael Proctor at all.

1813
01:33:33,160 --> 01:33:34,560
Speaker 4: That was a really good update.

1814
01:33:34,800 --> 01:33:39,800
Speaker 2: Right seriously, within the I know I'm never going to

1815
01:33:39,880 --> 01:33:42,640
Speaker 2: ask a question because I'll derail us. But man, this

1816
01:33:42,720 --> 01:33:44,519
Speaker 2: has been an action packed night. I feel like I

1817
01:33:44,600 --> 01:33:47,280
Speaker 2: want to talk for ten more hours. Make this show

1818
01:33:47,360 --> 01:33:50,439
Speaker 2: never stop. We're going to do a twenty four hour marathon. Well,

1819
01:33:50,479 --> 01:33:53,439
Speaker 2: I guess tomorrow. We'll be back tomorrow. Obviously it's Thursday,

1820
01:33:54,280 --> 01:33:56,960
Speaker 2: so we will be back tomorrow. Definitely following all of

1821
01:33:56,960 --> 01:34:00,640
Speaker 2: the above cases. Obviously Brian Walsh's case, Luigi case, you

1822
01:34:00,760 --> 01:34:04,599
Speaker 2: name it, we're following it. Keep those questions coming court,

1823
01:34:04,720 --> 01:34:06,720
Speaker 2: anything you want to say in your final words here

1824
01:34:06,880 --> 01:34:08,080
Speaker 2: for this evening, be

1825
01:34:08,240 --> 01:34:12,360
Speaker 9: Well, everybody, all right, good night, everybody, good night, good night,