WEBVTT - Sorry Laver Cup 0:00:10.160 --> 0:00:13.240 Hi, everybody, and welcome to the Renee Stubs Tennis podcast. 0:00:13.440 --> 0:00:16.479 I am Renee Stubs and I am joined by the 0:00:16.760 --> 0:00:21.400 ever present in my life in New York, Caitlin Thompson Present. 0:00:21.480 --> 0:00:24.520 What's up, mate? We've lost petgo again. She's in Germany. 0:00:24.560 --> 0:00:26.800 She was working the. 0:00:26.160 --> 0:00:28.120 Labor Cup, hosting a gala. 0:00:28.320 --> 0:00:30.920 Hosting a gala. She wrote a great substack on that, 0:00:31.680 --> 0:00:35.400 being nervous and all that sort of stuff. But she's 0:00:35.440 --> 0:00:37.280 our girl and we are missing her, but she shall 0:00:37.320 --> 0:00:40.640 be back. You asked me before we sat down and 0:00:40.680 --> 0:00:43.440 started looking at things to talk about. Do we have 0:00:43.479 --> 0:00:45.599 to talk about the Labor Cup? I want to talk 0:00:45.640 --> 0:00:48.720 about the Labor Cup, okay, because I want to know 0:00:48.760 --> 0:00:53.640 if you gave up a living, breathing, dead breath about 0:00:54.160 --> 0:00:58.240 watching Labor Cup. No, did you watch any of the 0:00:58.360 --> 0:00:58.880 Labor Cup? 0:00:59.040 --> 0:01:00.040 No? 0:01:00.080 --> 0:01:02.560 Not that did I not one. I think I flipped 0:01:02.560 --> 0:01:04.360 over like a couple of times when I was watching 0:01:04.520 --> 0:01:06.240 something else on TV and I was like, oh, the 0:01:06.280 --> 0:01:08.440 Labor Cups on a one who's playing? And then I'd 0:01:08.440 --> 0:01:11.199 flick it over and I'd be like, I don't care. 0:01:11.400 --> 0:01:16.240 I don't hate exhibitions. I'm not mad at exhibition matches. 0:01:16.280 --> 0:01:18.960 I don't have like a B and my bonnet about like, well, 0:01:19.040 --> 0:01:22.520 if it's not for points, it doesn't county. I don't 0:01:22.560 --> 0:01:24.680 really care about that. I like uts. I think it's 0:01:24.760 --> 0:01:26.880 kind of innovative, and I like the fact that it's 0:01:26.880 --> 0:01:30.400 like a little silly, you know. I love the fact 0:01:30.440 --> 0:01:33.160 that sometimes in the middle of no tennis we get 0:01:33.160 --> 0:01:36.679 an exhibition here and there and random places preseason. But yeah, 0:01:36.720 --> 0:01:38.560 for whatever reason, the Labor Cup has just never done 0:01:38.560 --> 0:01:40.760 it for me. It just feels so contrived. 0:01:41.400 --> 0:01:41.840 It's so. 0:01:43.640 --> 0:01:47.960 Cheesey, like the branding is cheesy, it's so try hard 0:01:48.000 --> 0:01:50.080 in a way that I just like, I'm sure the 0:01:50.080 --> 0:01:51.720 tennis is good, and I like a lot of the players, 0:01:51.760 --> 0:01:55.320 no disrespect whatsoever, get paid, get your bag, whatever. It's 0:01:55.360 --> 0:02:01.240 just the whole thing feels like a man marketer from 0:02:01.280 --> 0:02:04.560 the eighties. He is trying to convince you that, like 0:02:05.160 --> 0:02:05.960 this isould be. 0:02:05.960 --> 0:02:07.880 Interested in this, and I just can't. Well, they tried 0:02:07.920 --> 0:02:11.280 to obviously do it, right, a cup style tennis for tennis, right, 0:02:11.440 --> 0:02:14.120 That's that was the premise behind it, And the premise 0:02:14.160 --> 0:02:17.000 behind it was you know, Ryder Cup is so popular. 0:02:16.720 --> 0:02:19.760 Which is a golf competition where half if the teams 0:02:19.760 --> 0:02:20.720 are from the women. 0:02:20.840 --> 0:02:24.919 Just played the Solheim Cup, which got great crowds. It 0:02:25.080 --> 0:02:29.560 was great fun. I watched it considerably over that the 0:02:29.600 --> 0:02:32.000 weekend and the days that it was being played. I 0:02:32.000 --> 0:02:34.120 know people are probably out there going lament the golf, 0:02:34.440 --> 0:02:38.360 but it's like, no, it was actually really entertaining, really entertaining. 0:02:38.400 --> 0:02:40.560 It comes down to the wire often Ryder Cups and 0:02:40.600 --> 0:02:45.720 Solheim Cups, and they have like different like ways in 0:02:45.760 --> 0:02:48.160 the days that they play the Solheim and Ryder Club 0:02:48.200 --> 0:02:50.120 where they do see I told you I was going 0:02:50.160 --> 0:02:53.160 to get a cough today where they do a four 0:02:53.200 --> 0:02:55.720 ball best ball, And for those of you who don't 0:02:55.880 --> 0:02:58.239 know golf, it's just like it's basically different ways to 0:02:58.280 --> 0:03:00.720 play at the team events where they support each other. Right, 0:03:01.080 --> 0:03:03.160 one hits an alternate ball, so you hit the drive 0:03:03.520 --> 0:03:06.919 and then and then my partner hits the Yeah, exactly, 0:03:07.000 --> 0:03:09.600 but with teammates. And then the next day it's best ball, 0:03:09.680 --> 0:03:12.680 meaning you both hit off, you both score the hole, 0:03:12.840 --> 0:03:16.160 and whoever's scores the best on that hole wins the hole. 0:03:16.320 --> 0:03:18.760 Right pick the higher scoring between the two teams. So 0:03:19.120 --> 0:03:19.519 that's cool. 0:03:19.680 --> 0:03:20.920 It's always very like. 0:03:20.960 --> 0:03:22.000 I like innovation in sports. 0:03:22.080 --> 0:03:23.399 I like and that's what it is. 0:03:23.600 --> 0:03:25.919 I like team sports. I like a lot of it. 0:03:26.320 --> 0:03:28.240 And then on the last day to finish off my 0:03:28.360 --> 0:03:30.280 Ryder Cup Soul home thing. On the last day, it's 0:03:30.280 --> 0:03:32.680 one on one, right, So you've gone as a team 0:03:32.720 --> 0:03:35.000 back and forth for three days and then the last 0:03:35.040 --> 0:03:36.520 day it's one on one. 0:03:36.520 --> 0:03:39.680 And who every side counts? Who picks like the best 0:03:39.720 --> 0:03:40.880 player from each team. 0:03:41.080 --> 0:03:44.160 Well, it's it's a scoring system to get into the team. 0:03:44.520 --> 0:03:46.360 And then you get a couple of wild card picks 0:03:46.400 --> 0:03:47.600 from the captain. 0:03:47.320 --> 0:03:50.960 So the captain is involved the big choices big time. 0:03:51.320 --> 0:03:53.320 They picked the team, They picked the players, and the 0:03:53.320 --> 0:03:56.200 players are desperate to be on the teams. Like I'm 0:03:56.240 --> 0:03:59.520 talking desperate. It is like you talk to a golfer, 0:03:59.560 --> 0:04:03.120 they'll say one of my you know, the late great 0:04:03.160 --> 0:04:05.960 Pain Stewart, who I was friends with because we lived 0:04:05.960 --> 0:04:08.840 in the same area in Orlando. And one of the 0:04:08.920 --> 0:04:12.400 last conversations I had with Paine was he said, I 0:04:12.400 --> 0:04:14.760 want to win one more major, Stubsy, and I love 0:04:14.800 --> 0:04:17.120 to make the Ryder Cup team again, Like it's so 0:04:17.200 --> 0:04:19.720 important for these golfers. So we need to figure out 0:04:19.760 --> 0:04:22.800 a way to make something very similar in tennis and 0:04:22.839 --> 0:04:26.080 I did tweet out. I think I retweeted a video 0:04:26.120 --> 0:04:28.320 that Nelly call a quarter put out in the first 0:04:28.320 --> 0:04:30.760 hole where the you know, people were going crazy and 0:04:30.760 --> 0:04:34.000 there was music played and it was such a fun atmosphere, 0:04:34.080 --> 0:04:37.240 Like we need this in tennis. Well, meaning not every year. 0:04:37.400 --> 0:04:40.200 We can't have Labor Cup. We talked about this last week, 0:04:40.320 --> 0:04:44.520 Labor Cup, United Cup, Hopman Cup, Blah Blah Cup, a 0:04:44.600 --> 0:04:47.400 Billy Olympian Cup. It's like it's too much in one year, 0:04:47.480 --> 0:04:49.520 particularly during the Olympic years. 0:04:49.520 --> 0:04:51.719 Well, when you were talking about how excited people were 0:04:51.760 --> 0:04:53.359 to make the team, I mean that sounds like the 0:04:53.400 --> 0:04:55.640 Olympics to me, which is like, you know, Daniel Collins 0:04:55.640 --> 0:04:58.440 famously was like, I want to make the Olympics. I'm 0:04:58.440 --> 0:05:00.240 going to need to play X amount of tournament to 0:05:00.279 --> 0:05:03.400 do that between March and you know whatever. The cut 0:05:03.440 --> 0:05:06.799 off date was early summer and right, and like going 0:05:06.839 --> 0:05:09.720 to be on the Olympic team and getting the blazer 0:05:09.760 --> 0:05:11.560 and doing the whole thing is cool, and so you know, 0:05:11.560 --> 0:05:13.960 I don't in any way want to slag the idea 0:05:14.000 --> 0:05:16.320 that we have. You know, old Guard, it was cool. 0:05:16.360 --> 0:05:17.839 I saw some of the photos from Labor Cup. It 0:05:17.839 --> 0:05:19.839 was cool. Seeingianik Noah, who's you know, obviously one of 0:05:19.839 --> 0:05:21.760 my favorite people, which is why I chose to put 0:05:21.800 --> 0:05:23.720 him on the cover of the first issue. You know, Like, 0:05:24.320 --> 0:05:28.279 but I will say the the I don't know. I 0:05:28.320 --> 0:05:30.719 just I can't get that excited about it for reasons 0:05:30.760 --> 0:05:33.480 that it feels like such a simulate crom of of 0:05:33.920 --> 0:05:38.599 a man's marketing fantasy that I just feel like I'm 0:05:38.640 --> 0:05:40.919 being sold a product that I don't want. It feels like, 0:05:41.000 --> 0:05:44.440 you know, Ron Popeel's Pocket Fishermen. It's like, who's this for? 0:05:44.680 --> 0:05:46.320 I don't I don't want this. 0:05:46.960 --> 0:05:49.599 So I think, you know, we talked about this last 0:05:49.640 --> 0:05:52.279 week about and some people liked my idea, and you know, 0:05:52.320 --> 0:05:57.159 there's a former Sam Stoza Playout Friend Play Eye coach 0:05:57.160 --> 0:05:59.560 player applied with that said, oh, I never thought about 0:05:59.560 --> 0:06:01.480 the idea of like shutting the season down after the 0:06:01.600 --> 0:06:03.760 US Open and maybe having some of these team events 0:06:03.760 --> 0:06:06.719 where they really become important. Right, you could have a 0:06:06.760 --> 0:06:10.120 mixed event after yeah, the US Open, I would I 0:06:10.160 --> 0:06:13.160 would argue to say, you know, a couple of weeks later, 0:06:13.360 --> 0:06:17.000 you have a massive team event in X you know, 0:06:17.080 --> 0:06:19.400 and then you have a teams event where you combine 0:06:19.440 --> 0:06:22.719 men and women in x whether it be South America 0:06:22.880 --> 0:06:25.880 or you know, places that don't South Africa, Like, let's 0:06:25.920 --> 0:06:28.520 take it to places on the road that don't get 0:06:28.560 --> 0:06:30.120 to have the tour, you know. And if China wants 0:06:30.160 --> 0:06:32.400 to put a shipload of money into tennis, as they. 0:06:32.279 --> 0:06:35.880 Do, and now they have great players with four men, 0:06:36.040 --> 0:06:38.480 have a huge tournament, a deep run this very week, 0:06:38.520 --> 0:06:39.520 can you imagine. 0:06:39.200 --> 0:06:43.880 China against like Australia and asked in a true World 0:06:43.920 --> 0:06:47.640 Cup and I would argue as to say, as much 0:06:47.680 --> 0:06:49.920 as you know how much we both love Billy Jean King, 0:06:50.360 --> 0:06:53.480 have a team's tennis style way to do it and 0:06:53.480 --> 0:06:57.680 the excitement in that playing to six is what you're saying. 0:06:57.720 --> 0:07:01.080 Well true the World team from the seventies, eighties and 0:07:01.120 --> 0:07:04.200 nineties World Team Tennis. Yeah, I agree completely, and I think, 0:07:04.279 --> 0:07:13.600 you know, in addition to these season changes, I think uh, shortening, condensing, consolidating. Yeah, like, 0:07:13.720 --> 0:07:17.480 let's make room for this the unique thing that tennis 0:07:17.480 --> 0:07:21.360 has done uniquely for almost a century. I don't know 0:07:21.400 --> 0:07:24.480 when the first mixed event was held, but like mixed 0:07:24.520 --> 0:07:26.720 doubles where men and women play on the same field. 0:07:26.640 --> 0:07:28.360 At the same time, World Team tennis. 0:07:28.440 --> 0:07:30.760 Well, I mean, but it predated World Team Tennis. 0:07:30.800 --> 0:07:32.480 Well, we have a mixed DOUBLET grant. 0:07:32.720 --> 0:07:35.640 That's what I'm saying. Like that alone was innovation in 0:07:35.640 --> 0:07:37.960 and of itself that other sports have only really cottoned 0:07:37.960 --> 0:07:40.760 on too in the last five or so years. Now 0:07:40.760 --> 0:07:43.640 you have an Olympic relay in swimming, you have an 0:07:43.680 --> 0:07:46.920 Olympic really in skiing, like everyone realizes like, oh, it's 0:07:46.960 --> 0:07:50.280 really fun when we get everybody involved. And so yeah, 0:07:50.360 --> 0:07:52.080 Labor Cup. I'm not trying to shut on it. It sounded 0:07:52.120 --> 0:07:54.440 like the Gala. I'm sure because Andrea I hosted. It 0:07:54.480 --> 0:07:56.960 was funny, it was cool to see you know, a 0:07:57.000 --> 0:07:57.560 lot of people. 0:07:58.000 --> 0:07:59.680 Yeah, but wouldn't it be great if you had Teblinka 0:07:59.720 --> 0:07:59.840 in that. 0:07:59.840 --> 0:08:02.280 Were to Well that's the album with the Labor Cups. 0:08:02.280 --> 0:08:05.040 For me, it's like, well, yeah, so just a bunch 0:08:05.080 --> 0:08:06.800 of dudes, also the types of dudes. 0:08:06.600 --> 0:08:09.560 That nobody loves Rod Labor more than me. I mean, 0:08:09.600 --> 0:08:12.080 he's the greatest guy in the history of the world. 0:08:12.240 --> 0:08:14.880 He's the nicest man you'll ever meet in your life. 0:08:15.400 --> 0:08:17.120 So it's certainly not a slide. I mean, and listen, 0:08:17.160 --> 0:08:20.160 I I understand why they decided to do I understand 0:08:20.160 --> 0:08:22.280 why Roger thought this is you know, and teammate thought 0:08:22.320 --> 0:08:24.760 this is a Tennis Australia because those that own it, 0:08:24.840 --> 0:08:26.840 those are the people that I know Tennis Australia, and 0:08:26.880 --> 0:08:31.320 teammate funded pretty USDA as well. So the Grand Slams 0:08:31.320 --> 0:08:36.000 had a huge part in this Labor Cup. So guys, 0:08:36.080 --> 0:08:38.360 why not get together and have a world true World 0:08:38.400 --> 0:08:40.120 Cup and really get your money? 0:08:40.200 --> 0:08:42.640 Well, I think you just said way because it involves 0:08:42.640 --> 0:08:43.720 everyone getting together. 0:08:43.920 --> 0:08:46.280 Oh that's a concept we don't understanding. 0:08:46.320 --> 0:08:48.839 Something tennis has yet to grapple with. The if the 0:08:48.920 --> 0:08:52.200 USTs well, that was another thing Australia. So everybody would 0:08:52.200 --> 0:08:54.280 have to play nicely, which we are all waiting for 0:08:54.320 --> 0:08:56.520 you guys to do. Imagine how great this board is 0:08:56.760 --> 0:08:57.480 when we're all. 0:08:57.640 --> 0:09:03.960 Yeah, so listen. Another thing to also consider in this 0:09:04.040 --> 0:09:07.000 conversation is what are the lesser players going to do? 0:09:07.080 --> 0:09:07.240 Right? 0:09:07.240 --> 0:09:09.800 Because obviously not everyone's going to make the World Cup 0:09:09.840 --> 0:09:13.480 teams right for Australia, for US or for China, et cetera. Right, 0:09:13.480 --> 0:09:14.560 So what are you going to do with the player 0:09:14.559 --> 0:09:16.439 that's ranked one hundred and fifty to two hundred in 0:09:16.480 --> 0:09:19.600 the world or three hundred in the world or even 0:09:19.640 --> 0:09:21.040 eighty in the world. That's not going to make their 0:09:21.080 --> 0:09:23.880 You know, the Czech Republic could fit seventeen players into 0:09:24.080 --> 0:09:26.520 like top twenty. You know, they could have two teams, 0:09:26.600 --> 0:09:30.080 so you have the smaller tournament. Still you still have 0:09:30.120 --> 0:09:33.240 the one twenty five's maybe two fifties. The WTA and 0:09:33.760 --> 0:09:36.800 ATP get together and try and fit the schedule around 0:09:37.080 --> 0:09:41.160 for the lesser players to play. I shouldn't say lesser players, 0:09:41.200 --> 0:09:44.679 but lower ranked players to play. So you do need 0:09:44.720 --> 0:09:46.600 to have viability for those players to move up in 0:09:46.600 --> 0:09:50.199 the rankings. And then you know people are going to say, well, 0:09:50.240 --> 0:09:52.400 then the top players that are playing these team events 0:09:52.440 --> 0:09:54.240 are not going to get points, right, so they can 0:09:54.360 --> 0:09:57.560 move up and down the ladder. Well, you consider giving 0:09:57.640 --> 0:10:00.000 bonus points for matches one or lost at these events, 0:10:00.200 --> 0:10:02.679 or you figure out a way that the top players 0:10:02.679 --> 0:10:06.160 aren't penalized with points and rankings. Maybe you freeze it. 0:10:06.200 --> 0:10:08.040 I don't know, but there's certainly some I just think 0:10:08.080 --> 0:10:10.880 that there's after the I don't give a shit what's 0:10:10.880 --> 0:10:11.560 happening right now. 0:10:11.679 --> 0:10:14.160 Oh I care a lot. I just don't care about 0:10:14.160 --> 0:10:17.679 the layer coat. I watched Korea okay partially because racket. 0:10:17.840 --> 0:10:20.560 I launched a Korean footprint there, you know, but a 0:10:20.559 --> 0:10:22.120 lot of people don't know. Like we showed up hard 0:10:22.160 --> 0:10:24.880 in Korea. We're going to be had to go amazing. 0:10:25.040 --> 0:10:28.600 You brought a ton of tennis newbies who have been 0:10:28.600 --> 0:10:32.360 playing tennis in the basements of malls, which is how 0:10:32.400 --> 0:10:35.640 a lot of Korean young people play sports because spaces 0:10:35.679 --> 0:10:37.360 at a premium and there's a lot of development in 0:10:37.400 --> 0:10:39.520 the city. And we brought them to a pro tennis 0:10:39.520 --> 0:10:41.960 tournament for the first time in partnership with the WTA, 0:10:42.040 --> 0:10:44.439 in partnership with the original beer company, which was like 0:10:44.440 --> 0:10:46.600 the hipster beer, and we made all of a sudden, 0:10:46.600 --> 0:10:50.800 like a big party happened between the grassroots tennis recreational 0:10:50.840 --> 0:10:52.960 players and the pro game, which we want to see 0:10:52.960 --> 0:10:55.080 more of. Like so obviously I watched that. I watched 0:10:55.120 --> 0:10:58.280 Kazakia hadad Maaya that was a great final. I watched 0:10:58.240 --> 0:11:00.200 Emirati Kan who have a couple of top ten or 0:11:00.240 --> 0:11:01.680 top fifty wins which she hasn't. 0:11:01.440 --> 0:11:03.320 Had in a while and now has pulled out a Beijing. 0:11:03.400 --> 0:11:05.120 And now she's pulled out of Beijing because she's hurt again. 0:11:05.160 --> 0:11:09.200 But like I want to watch tennis in all places 0:11:09.280 --> 0:11:11.240 throughout the year. I agree, the season is too long 0:11:11.280 --> 0:11:15.080 and somebody's got to give way, But I'm I care. 0:11:15.520 --> 0:11:18.400 I watched Jijiang and the young up and coming Chinese 0:11:18.400 --> 0:11:20.920 player whose name is escaping me at the moment, who 0:11:20.920 --> 0:11:22.520 are about to play a final I think in hung 0:11:22.600 --> 0:11:25.040 Joe like, I'm into it, and so for me, I 0:11:25.080 --> 0:11:27.960 don't care necessarily where the tennis is taking place. I 0:11:28.080 --> 0:11:30.680 like the fact that it's real, they care about it, 0:11:30.720 --> 0:11:33.360 and for a lot of these players, it's their home soil. 0:11:33.640 --> 0:11:36.280 It's where they get to shine, especially as the sport diversifies. 0:11:36.440 --> 0:11:37.400 So now they haven't met. 0:11:37.520 --> 0:11:40.079 I haven't played that final yet, and it's Jiang and 0:11:40.520 --> 0:11:45.480 Chilich playing a final inhung Zho. They are in the final, 0:11:45.600 --> 0:11:48.120 those two, so we'll know at some point. 0:11:48.559 --> 0:11:52.160 So Juju Young just is cool. He is triple Z TRIPLESZ, TRIPLEZ. 0:11:52.600 --> 0:11:56.040 So yeah, I think. You know, we've talked about scheduling 0:11:56.360 --> 0:12:00.000 at nauseum. Something's got to give. I don't think necessarily 0:12:00.080 --> 0:12:04.040 Asia should lose its time. It's time, just maybe not 0:12:04.520 --> 0:12:06.960 this time on the calendar. We need to figure out 0:12:07.000 --> 0:12:09.880 a way to make it a little bit more conducive 0:12:10.120 --> 0:12:12.840 to you know, when people are playing, when the weather 0:12:12.960 --> 0:12:16.400 is cooperated, cooperating, and when it's tough with I know, 0:12:17.240 --> 0:12:21.400 and when we can you know, reasonably expect these players 0:12:21.480 --> 0:12:23.080 to keep their bodies in one piece. 0:12:23.160 --> 0:12:25.760 Well, and that's that's another part of the issue. Right, 0:12:25.800 --> 0:12:28.400 You've got players pulling out left and right, You've got 0:12:28.480 --> 0:12:32.120 you know, igaon Tech has decided that she's just shutting 0:12:32.120 --> 0:12:34.560 it down. By the looks of it. 0:12:33.880 --> 0:12:35.920 Seems like a Bakina shut it down. 0:12:37.040 --> 0:12:38.080 A whole different story. 0:12:38.160 --> 0:12:41.679 Well, yes, we think, but she's saying no. But she's 0:12:41.679 --> 0:12:43.880 saying her back is the issue. She hasn't publicly said 0:12:44.080 --> 0:12:47.520 what it is if it's not an injury. I'm not 0:12:47.559 --> 0:12:51.280 saying it's not not her back, but I also, you know, 0:12:51.440 --> 0:12:53.280 by her own what she's. 0:12:53.200 --> 0:12:56.280 Kind of injuries is saying listen, that she's got to 0:12:56.400 --> 0:12:57.720 You'd have to be a dummy not to know. There's 0:12:57.720 --> 0:12:59.360 a lot more going on there for sure. And I mean, 0:12:59.400 --> 0:13:00.800 this is a player that I'm written for. 0:13:00.840 --> 0:13:01.200 This girl. 0:13:01.559 --> 0:13:04.280 We all are, by the way. This is you know, 0:13:04.480 --> 0:13:08.199 a player that arguably at her best, is the best 0:13:08.240 --> 0:13:11.319 player in the world. Yeah, I mean, I don't know 0:13:11.360 --> 0:13:14.720 if you remember her dismantling Saber Lenka at the start 0:13:14.720 --> 0:13:17.840 of the year in Brisbane, where she made Sabilenka literally 0:13:17.880 --> 0:13:21.960 look like she could not play tennis on her best surface. 0:13:22.679 --> 0:13:25.560 Two weeks later went and won the Austraian Open. Yeah, okay, 0:13:25.640 --> 0:13:29.160 well three weeks later technically, but what did she do 0:13:29.280 --> 0:13:32.240 after winning Brisbane? Rebeckn I mean pet Coo and I 0:13:32.280 --> 0:13:34.280 talked about this, because we're so on her about this. 0:13:34.960 --> 0:13:36.400 She went and played Adelaide. 0:13:37.400 --> 0:13:40.280 What in the WTF are you going to play Adelaide for? 0:13:40.360 --> 0:13:41.400 What WTA? 0:13:42.120 --> 0:13:45.920 What the WTF are doing going and playing Adelaide prior 0:13:45.960 --> 0:13:48.240 to the Austrain Open when you just won Brisbane? And 0:13:48.280 --> 0:13:50.120 then she went into the Austrain Open and had a 0:13:50.120 --> 0:13:53.080 little bit of an injury and then lost that epic 0:13:53.120 --> 0:13:56.320 tie break to Blinkover and really after that also had 0:13:56.360 --> 0:13:58.679 a couple of great tournaments and then all of a 0:13:58.720 --> 0:14:02.400 sudden this obviously something going on with the coach. He 0:14:02.480 --> 0:14:04.680 has disappeared as well from the tour, and his word 0:14:04.840 --> 0:14:07.480 is that he's been banned from the tour. So there's 0:14:07.520 --> 0:14:10.160 just something going on there that we clearly don't know 0:14:10.559 --> 0:14:13.640 first hand knowledge of, but it's pretty bloody obvious. 0:14:13.400 --> 0:14:17.400 That she is obviously okay, and I hope she's being 0:14:17.400 --> 0:14:20.360 taken care of behind the scenes and you know. 0:14:20.960 --> 0:14:23.480 But also with Eger, it's interesting that she's decided to 0:14:23.480 --> 0:14:25.720 pull out too, so there's obviously something going on with 0:14:25.800 --> 0:14:26.760 her as well. 0:14:28.240 --> 0:14:30.640 I mean, she's, to her great credit, she has been 0:14:32.000 --> 0:14:33.760 putting your money where her mouth is and sort of 0:14:33.800 --> 0:14:36.000 saying like, hey, this is really hard on our bodies. 0:14:36.000 --> 0:14:38.400 It's hard on our sleep cycles, it's hard on our 0:14:38.440 --> 0:14:41.120 mental states, you know. And I really respect that about 0:14:41.160 --> 0:14:43.680 a player, especially one who is the number one player 0:14:43.720 --> 0:14:46.640 in the world, using their platform to sort of you know, 0:14:46.960 --> 0:14:49.880 she's not complaining, she's constructively sort of saying like, hey, 0:14:50.000 --> 0:14:52.480 this is another way that this could be better. What 0:14:52.520 --> 0:14:54.040 if we made the season show like you know, And 0:14:54.080 --> 0:14:56.600 I think I respect that tremendously because I think these players, 0:14:56.680 --> 0:14:58.480 especially as they get higher in the ranks and they 0:14:58.520 --> 0:15:00.720 stay there and they get interviewed a and they get 0:15:00.840 --> 0:15:03.840 the chance to use their platforms to make change and 0:15:03.880 --> 0:15:06.600 eventually become part of the you know, player councils or 0:15:06.640 --> 0:15:10.040 whatever it is. You know, they're they're actually using it 0:15:10.080 --> 0:15:10.640 to advocate. 0:15:10.840 --> 0:15:14.920 And we do have to congratulate Eager because she passed 0:15:15.960 --> 0:15:19.440 and became the number one in the world for a 0:15:19.440 --> 0:15:21.240 certain amount of weeks, where she became one of the 0:15:21.840 --> 0:15:24.160 I'm trying to find that. I did take a screenshot 0:15:24.160 --> 0:15:29.360 of it. Yeah, she passed as passed number of week 0:15:29.440 --> 0:15:32.200 is spending her one hundred and twenty second career week 0:15:32.200 --> 0:15:35.200 at number one this week, passing Ash Barty for standalone 0:15:35.320 --> 0:15:37.880 seventh most weeks at number one in the w TA 0:15:37.960 --> 0:15:45.000 ranking history. That's impressive. She follows Graf Navradlova, Serena Evatt, Hingus, 0:15:45.120 --> 0:15:48.680 and sell Us Allus. So that is a certainly a group. 0:15:48.920 --> 0:15:50.360 Can we just talk about Monca for a second? 0:15:50.440 --> 0:15:50.760 Sure? 0:15:51.120 --> 0:15:54.720 We published in this last issue of the magazine a 0:15:54.880 --> 0:15:59.760 very glowing remembrance of Monica Sellis pre worst day of 0:15:59.760 --> 0:16:03.480 her life and pre the time that ended up being 0:16:03.520 --> 0:16:06.120 what I think defined a lot of her life and career. 0:16:06.480 --> 0:16:09.000 And it was such a fun story because it reminded 0:16:09.040 --> 0:16:12.080 people that she was not just crushing everyone on court, 0:16:12.120 --> 0:16:15.200 winning you know, something like seven out of eight slams 0:16:16.120 --> 0:16:18.080 terror for the three year period. Right there, you were 0:16:18.160 --> 0:16:21.080 right there. But also like she was bubbly, she was funny, 0:16:21.120 --> 0:16:23.000 she was into Madonna, she was on lead shows, like 0:16:23.240 --> 0:16:25.080 she was well, she. 0:16:25.160 --> 0:16:29.080 Was okay, time out here. I would say Monica was 0:16:29.120 --> 0:16:34.600 the shyest arguably maybe second to maybe No. I think 0:16:34.640 --> 0:16:37.680 she more shy than Stepfi even and both of them. Sure, 0:16:37.720 --> 0:16:40.120 it was interesting because they were both very similar like 0:16:40.480 --> 0:16:43.640 did not like the spotlight, did not like media attention. 0:16:44.240 --> 0:16:47.160 Monica used to wear a wig when she was younger 0:16:47.160 --> 0:16:49.040 to go out in public. I love that because she 0:16:49.080 --> 0:16:51.280 did not want to be recognized and she was very 0:16:51.320 --> 0:16:53.480 paranoid about being out in public. Well, there was a 0:16:53.520 --> 0:16:57.040 versionage she did that and went on to those TV shows. Yeah, 0:16:57.120 --> 0:16:59.040 so did. I think. I believe Steffie did as well 0:16:59.160 --> 0:17:01.360 in the top plays you get on those shows at 0:17:01.400 --> 0:17:02.040 the US Open. 0:17:02.200 --> 0:17:04.480 My point is we saw a bubbly version of her 0:17:04.560 --> 0:17:09.119 that was innocent, fun loving, and maybe, yes, she was 0:17:09.160 --> 0:17:10.439 shy for most of it, but I think. 0:17:10.320 --> 0:17:12.399 She was always a little paranoid about stuff. 0:17:12.440 --> 0:17:14.720 Maybe, But I guess the point that I'm trying to 0:17:14.720 --> 0:17:17.560 make by the wooden woman who interviewed her forty times 0:17:17.640 --> 0:17:19.880 is that let's remember that that was part of her 0:17:20.000 --> 0:17:21.920 legacy as well. Let's remember that she was. 0:17:22.200 --> 0:17:24.640 Have you ever seen anyone else walk out under rolling girls, 0:17:24.760 --> 0:17:27.679 throwing roses, love the crowd, love it. I don't think so. 0:17:27.800 --> 0:17:28.880 I love it was it her? 0:17:29.040 --> 0:17:31.440 Yeah, it was her. I was thinking it was Hingus. No, No, 0:17:31.560 --> 0:17:34.080 it was her. Hingus would never Hina was throwing a 0:17:34.160 --> 0:17:36.960 racket into the crash. Can we actually, while I'm talking 0:17:37.000 --> 0:17:38.879 about throwing rackets in the crowd, can we talk about 0:17:38.880 --> 0:17:41.879 Meddi speaking of going back, backing it up, backing it 0:17:41.960 --> 0:17:44.720 up to labor cup. What the living f was he 0:17:44.800 --> 0:17:47.560 doing throwing that racket that went into the It didn't 0:17:47.600 --> 0:17:49.720 go into the crowd because there was like this gap 0:17:49.800 --> 0:17:53.000 between the court and the actual audience, and so for 0:17:53.119 --> 0:17:54.399 him to throw it in the crowd, he'd have to 0:17:54.440 --> 0:17:58.119 really throw it higher or bounce it a lot harder. 0:17:58.119 --> 0:18:00.159 But it went near a couple of the crew and 0:18:00.200 --> 0:18:03.440 a couple of people sitting around the court. I think 0:18:03.440 --> 0:18:05.560 that the WTA and ATP to them need to make 0:18:05.560 --> 0:18:09.520 a blanket rule. If you throw your racket and it 0:18:09.640 --> 0:18:13.639 leaves the court, no matter what, you are defaulted, because 0:18:13.680 --> 0:18:16.080 now the rule is if it doesn't hit anybody. Yeah, 0:18:16.119 --> 0:18:18.520 I'm like, oh, so if I move, if I'm sitting 0:18:18.520 --> 0:18:19.960 in that crowd and I moved my head just a 0:18:19.960 --> 0:18:22.160 little bit to the left and it just misses me, oh, 0:18:22.160 --> 0:18:24.960 that's okay. The same thing happened at Wimbledon. Would sit 0:18:25.000 --> 0:18:27.440 the pass when he piffed a ball and it went 0:18:27.480 --> 0:18:31.440 into the crowd on court one and it almost hit 0:18:31.480 --> 0:18:33.440 a lot of people. And I don't know it hidn't 0:18:33.480 --> 0:18:35.560 hit him hard enough or somebody caught. I mean I 0:18:35.600 --> 0:18:37.560 remember a referee saying to me, and this is a 0:18:37.560 --> 0:18:41.800 true story in Washington, DC. I think it sits a pass. 0:18:41.880 --> 0:18:44.720 Actually he ripped a ball up into the crowd, and 0:18:44.800 --> 0:18:46.280 usually we're trying to hit it out of the crowd, 0:18:46.320 --> 0:18:49.119 so it doesn't quote unquote hit someone, right, because you know, 0:18:49.119 --> 0:18:51.800 if you get it over the crowd, if it does 0:18:51.920 --> 0:18:55.120 hit someone, no one sees it, okay, because no one 0:18:55.200 --> 0:18:59.000 was watching it. A guy caught the ball, caught it 0:18:59.040 --> 0:19:02.720 in his hand, and the referee was sitting next to me, 0:19:02.880 --> 0:19:06.280 and I go ah, and this is what I'm telling you. 0:19:06.320 --> 0:19:07.359 He didn't even get a warning. 0:19:07.520 --> 0:19:08.200 Oh interesting. 0:19:08.320 --> 0:19:12.959 And I looked at this particular referee and I go ah, 0:19:13.119 --> 0:19:15.679 what and he goes, well, it didn't hit anyway, he 0:19:15.720 --> 0:19:19.560 caught it. I go, oh, so that's okay, Yeah, what 0:19:19.640 --> 0:19:20.440 are we doing here? 0:19:20.720 --> 0:19:27.000 I think a very clear designation is in court out 0:19:27.000 --> 0:19:29.080 of court if you yeah, a good point. 0:19:29.119 --> 0:19:32.520 I mean, and listen, I was the worst, Okay. I 0:19:32.640 --> 0:19:36.840 was not a patron saint of humility and happiness on 0:19:36.880 --> 0:19:39.840 the court. I mean, renee got a little bit ungray. 0:19:40.400 --> 0:19:42.919 So this is coming from somebody who did have a 0:19:42.920 --> 0:19:45.320 short fuse on the tennis court. But I didn't do 0:19:45.400 --> 0:19:49.000 that shit, Like I just berated myself half the time 0:19:49.119 --> 0:19:51.679 or an umpire or you know, lines person. 0:19:51.760 --> 0:19:56.920 But I think throwing your stuff around is childish. It's 0:19:56.960 --> 0:19:59.480 a bad look. It's your profession. I understand that people 0:19:59.520 --> 0:20:02.280 get upset, but yeah, Like I think the easy rule 0:20:02.400 --> 0:20:07.040 is anything that leaves your hand, that leaves the court, 0:20:07.160 --> 0:20:07.600 that's it. 0:20:07.680 --> 0:20:08.639 That's it. Boom. 0:20:08.680 --> 0:20:10.879 We can add on to things like, oh, if you 0:20:10.880 --> 0:20:12.720 throw your racket and it hits somebody on the court, 0:20:12.800 --> 0:20:14.520 like a ball kit or something like that, But I 0:20:14.560 --> 0:20:17.320 think the blanket rule is don't throw anything that is 0:20:17.400 --> 0:20:21.840 leaving the field of play. Yea. Otherwise yeah, yeah, you're done. 0:20:21.960 --> 0:20:25.720 Yeah. Can you imagine it's just like, yeah, well they 0:20:25.960 --> 0:20:27.400 just moved the head, so it's fine. Oh so you're 0:20:27.400 --> 0:20:29.040 gonna wape for a racket actually hit someone in the 0:20:29.040 --> 0:20:31.200 middle of the forehead and like cut their skin. 0:20:31.400 --> 0:20:33.200 Well, this is the whole thing with Djokovic where everyone 0:20:33.240 --> 0:20:34.679 was like, but it didn't hit him. It's like, but 0:20:35.040 --> 0:20:37.920 he's been throwing no, no, no, no, not the umpire 0:20:38.440 --> 0:20:40.520 who he did hit with the ball, but he chucked 0:20:40.560 --> 0:20:43.520 a racket and oh yes, it nearly hit the umpire 0:20:43.640 --> 0:20:45.040 and they were like ha ha ha, but it didn't 0:20:45.040 --> 0:20:46.879 and it was like such a joke. It was taken 0:20:47.200 --> 0:20:49.520 not seriously at all by anybody. And it's like no 0:20:49.560 --> 0:20:53.720 because this one fleet footed linesman like jumped out of 0:20:53.760 --> 0:20:55.760 the way. Yeah, like is that going to be the standard? Yeah, 0:20:55.800 --> 0:20:57.239 Like you've seen some of the lines of people at 0:20:57.240 --> 0:21:00.400 these tournaments. I mean obviously lines people are generally going away, 0:21:00.400 --> 0:21:01.760 but like there's lots of people on the court. There's 0:21:01.800 --> 0:21:04.439 security people, there's spall kids, there's are we all supposed 0:21:04.480 --> 0:21:06.480 to like make them fly, you know, watch out for 0:21:06.520 --> 0:21:08.960 flying objects that could potentially hurt them. Yeah, while they're 0:21:09.000 --> 0:21:11.400 trying to do their jobs. This is a workplace. 0:21:11.480 --> 0:21:13.520 Yeah, let's we need to we need to crack down 0:21:13.520 --> 0:21:14.520 on that stuff. I love that. 0:21:14.720 --> 0:21:17.360 I like when we get like scolding and moralized. 0:21:16.960 --> 0:21:19.880 Yes, especially me, who's such a cycle on the court. 0:21:20.400 --> 0:21:22.560 I love it. I know that you're a little depressed 0:21:22.560 --> 0:21:25.720 coming in here today because it's fall. Oh my god, see, 0:21:25.760 --> 0:21:27.720 I know you so well. I walked out of my 0:21:27.760 --> 0:21:31.520 apartment today and it was cold, and I went, oh, 0:21:31.560 --> 0:21:35.560 and I'm like, oh, Caitlin's gonna hate. It's gonna hate today. 0:21:35.640 --> 0:21:45.240 I'm trying to I'm trying to practice manifestation of positivity. Yeah, 0:21:45.280 --> 0:21:47.600 I'm trying to become a fall person. All right, Great 0:21:47.840 --> 0:21:50.879 now because also I'm going to port a Fino in 0:21:50.880 --> 0:21:53.440 two weeks, so I don't have to wait. 0:21:53.520 --> 0:21:54.080 I didn't know that. 0:21:54.160 --> 0:21:55.720 Yeah, I'm going to port Afino in two weeks to 0:21:55.760 --> 0:21:57.399 do a big project for Racket. We're going to do 0:21:57.680 --> 0:21:58.520 a giant. 0:21:58.240 --> 0:21:59.959 Couldn't you have done that around the Billy Jean Kinkop 0:22:00.040 --> 0:22:00.800 so I could come. 0:22:02.960 --> 0:22:05.000 There's a chance that we made us to be doing 0:22:05.000 --> 0:22:06.280 a project in Spain. Let's see. 0:22:06.320 --> 0:22:08.480 Okay, Well, you can let me know when we're not 0:22:08.520 --> 0:22:09.280 doing this podcast. 0:22:10.280 --> 0:22:12.800 But I hopefully it'll also be warm and coastal Italy. 0:22:12.840 --> 0:22:14.760 I know everyone wants to hit tennis stuff, but I 0:22:14.800 --> 0:22:16.919 just want to update everyone on the fact that the 0:22:16.920 --> 0:22:19.720 New York Liberty won. They're opening a playoff game yesterday 0:22:19.800 --> 0:22:24.040 and I am a huge WNBA fan. I freaking love 0:22:24.160 --> 0:22:27.919 watching women's basketball, and I'll tell you why. As a 0:22:27.960 --> 0:22:31.560 tennis player. Yes, I think tennis is arguably the hardest 0:22:31.560 --> 0:22:34.439 sport in the world to play, just physically mentally. I 0:22:34.480 --> 0:22:38.240 mean it matches out matches in Asia this last week 0:22:38.240 --> 0:22:40.280 in the women's matches, they were going over four hours, brutal. 0:22:40.320 --> 0:22:42.080 And also it was like one hundred percent of humanity 0:22:42.119 --> 0:22:43.000 and exprutal. 0:22:43.480 --> 0:22:46.840 Sigamund just leves playing over four hours, and cats Akina 0:22:46.880 --> 0:22:49.280 and all these guys. But you know, I watched the 0:22:49.320 --> 0:22:53.200 physicality of women's basketball basketball in general, but women's basketball. 0:22:53.240 --> 0:22:55.760 You know why they wear sleeves because they get cut 0:22:55.800 --> 0:22:58.680 all the time with their nails and people banging. Notice 0:22:58.680 --> 0:22:59.840 how basketball players wear. 0:22:59.720 --> 0:23:01.159 Sleep I thought that was for like muscle. 0:23:01.280 --> 0:23:04.760 Oh no, it's to stop them from bleeding literally because 0:23:04.760 --> 0:23:06.960 they get cut. Because even if you have short nails 0:23:06.960 --> 0:23:09.560 and you you know, your hand comes down. The bruising 0:23:09.600 --> 0:23:12.080 on w NBA players just look at their arms when 0:23:12.080 --> 0:23:14.359 they go and play. They're bruised out the wazoo because 0:23:14.359 --> 0:23:17.560 they're getting beat up like hell under it. So for 0:23:17.640 --> 0:23:20.560 you guys not watching, turn on ESPN because ESPN has 0:23:20.600 --> 0:23:23.879 all the playoffs and the games yesterday were great. And 0:23:23.960 --> 0:23:27.480 your son and your wife Claire went to the game. 0:23:27.560 --> 0:23:28.320 They did thanks to you. 0:23:28.520 --> 0:23:32.359 Never seen Peter your son looking more excited ever. So 0:23:32.400 --> 0:23:33.000 it's just a. 0:23:32.960 --> 0:23:35.320 Great family experience. I love he apparently got on the 0:23:35.359 --> 0:23:37.119 jumbo tround. I was weaving his flag. 0:23:37.200 --> 0:23:38.440 That's what I'm saying. It was great. 0:23:38.480 --> 0:23:42.240 Listen, I'm as somebody who doesn't like the sport of basketball. 0:23:42.520 --> 0:23:46.720 I support good for you, all right. We got a 0:23:46.760 --> 0:23:47.520 lot of questions. 0:23:47.760 --> 0:23:52.440 Of course. Naomi Osaka is present with Patrick Moritaglu in Asia. 0:23:53.080 --> 0:23:55.920 There's a lot of interesting comments coming on that situation. 0:23:56.119 --> 0:24:00.400 We will see where it turns out. And oft when 0:24:00.440 --> 0:24:02.640 you start working with a player and you're new, they 0:24:02.640 --> 0:24:05.440 do have good results early on because they're like, they 0:24:05.480 --> 0:24:09.560 feel fresh, they feel like they get enthusiastic about doing stuff, 0:24:09.600 --> 0:24:11.119 and they get a new voice in their head. And 0:24:11.160 --> 0:24:13.840 we've seen it happen over the last year with some 0:24:13.920 --> 0:24:17.440 players with new coaches and bang they have great results 0:24:17.440 --> 0:24:21.639 and then it slowly fizzles out because you know relationships, right, 0:24:21.640 --> 0:24:24.159 it's like being in a relationship having coached player. So 0:24:24.320 --> 0:24:27.800 see how long it lasts. And we'll see if he 0:24:27.840 --> 0:24:30.240 can turn her around. But certainly in. 0:24:30.640 --> 0:24:36.639 Your view as a coach, what would you suggest to Naomi, 0:24:36.720 --> 0:24:42.600 what's the solution here? Well, I mean, look, she's moving better. 0:24:42.640 --> 0:24:45.520 She started the year not moving great. She ended at 0:24:45.560 --> 0:24:48.840 least in the last couple of tournaments moving better. Her 0:24:48.840 --> 0:24:52.600 groundstrokes were as fearsome as ever. She just when she's 0:24:52.680 --> 0:24:55.960 what do you think she's actually like it needs to 0:24:55.960 --> 0:24:56.800 be addressed here. 0:24:56.720 --> 0:24:59.199 Just you know, she just needs to cut down our 0:24:59.280 --> 0:25:02.159 enforced errors. Like this is a woman that can hit 0:25:02.160 --> 0:25:05.000 a winner from anywhere. And I think once she gets 0:25:05.119 --> 0:25:07.159 into that rhythm of not missing, and when she was 0:25:07.160 --> 0:25:10.080 at her very best, she could make five, six, seven 0:25:10.119 --> 0:25:11.240 balls and then go bomb. 0:25:11.320 --> 0:25:13.040 But can you coach somebody to be like, hey, make 0:25:13.280 --> 0:25:14.359 less error? 0:25:14.400 --> 0:25:16.720 You can tell them to rather than try that. 0:25:17.240 --> 0:25:19.240 I would like that advice, but I don't. But there's 0:25:19.240 --> 0:25:20.480 nothing more to it than that. 0:25:21.040 --> 0:25:22.879 Well, you have to practice it first of all. So 0:25:23.000 --> 0:25:26.600 it comes in the form of discipline on the practice court. 0:25:27.280 --> 0:25:29.800 It comes in, you know, the discipline to not get 0:25:29.880 --> 0:25:32.840 upset at yourself on the practice court, making sure your 0:25:32.840 --> 0:25:35.800 players not getting down about stuff that they're doing that 0:25:35.840 --> 0:25:38.040 you want them to do. Let's just say you know, 0:25:38.040 --> 0:25:40.200 when you're running for a fourhander, you're running for a backhand. 0:25:40.440 --> 0:25:43.679 The majority of players, as you'll see, will hit it 0:25:43.720 --> 0:25:45.840 back cross court. It's over the lower part of the 0:25:45.880 --> 0:25:50.040 debt percent higher percentage, more room to hit the ball, 0:25:50.520 --> 0:25:53.159 and you would then force your opponent to make a 0:25:53.280 --> 0:25:56.439 choice do I go line, do I change the direction 0:25:56.520 --> 0:25:58.200 of the ball, or do I go back cross court 0:25:58.240 --> 0:26:00.560 as well. Now, most players, when you them hit a 0:26:00.560 --> 0:26:04.439 ball on the run cross court, often they would just 0:26:04.480 --> 0:26:06.640 sort of stand in that area because they know, oh, 0:26:06.760 --> 0:26:10.360 you want to go line, go for it. So most 0:26:10.359 --> 0:26:12.080 players will go cross It's why you see these cross 0:26:12.119 --> 0:26:14.600 court rallies, cross court rallies, cross cross and then finally 0:26:14.640 --> 0:26:17.600 someone goes, fay, I'm going line, you know, and they 0:26:17.680 --> 0:26:19.720 go for it. Right now, they might hit a great shot. 0:26:19.760 --> 0:26:22.560 Now your opponent is really moving. Now you can, you know, 0:26:22.640 --> 0:26:24.879 get up to the ball hopefully don't hit to go anyway. 0:26:24.880 --> 0:26:28.640 The reason I'm telling you that is it's just simplicity, right. 0:26:28.680 --> 0:26:30.920 Tennis is really quite simple in a lot of ways. 0:26:30.960 --> 0:26:33.040 It's how many more balls can I make than you 0:26:33.080 --> 0:26:35.840 in the court, and my depth of shot is going 0:26:35.880 --> 0:26:37.399 to force you to have to go cross court and 0:26:37.440 --> 0:26:39.280 I'm going to stand here and wait for my short ball, 0:26:39.720 --> 0:26:42.640 and so it's length on ball, it's length length in 0:26:42.680 --> 0:26:45.840 the court. It's not going for the sideline all the time. 0:26:46.000 --> 0:26:47.920 She has the power to be able to hit through someone, 0:26:47.960 --> 0:26:50.760 even if it's you know, three feet from the baseline, 0:26:50.880 --> 0:26:52.760 maybe two feet from the base line and three feet 0:26:52.840 --> 0:26:56.639 from the sideline. So I would just be practicing discipline 0:26:56.640 --> 0:26:59.480 with her, you know, like make every one of these balls. 0:27:00.080 --> 0:27:02.520 And then it's sort of like how Coco played last year, 0:27:02.560 --> 0:27:04.399 where she didn't make an error and then she waited, 0:27:04.720 --> 0:27:06.199 she didn't make an err on a forehand, then she 0:27:06.240 --> 0:27:09.200 waited for the back ends, and then you know, after 0:27:09.280 --> 0:27:11.840 five or six shots, players get panicky and they don't 0:27:11.840 --> 0:27:13.720 know where to go. Where do I go? On Coco, 0:27:14.119 --> 0:27:16.800 That's how it was last year, and that's how Naomi 0:27:16.840 --> 0:27:18.639 has to sort of set up her way of playing 0:27:18.680 --> 0:27:21.280 as well, Shit, where do I go? Because I know 0:27:21.320 --> 0:27:23.359 if I hit anything short, She's going to crush me. 0:27:23.960 --> 0:27:26.359 So it's a matter of discipline on the practice court, 0:27:26.560 --> 0:27:30.119 on the match courts, and clearly making her serve the 0:27:30.160 --> 0:27:33.400 weapon that it is and not losing serve. I would 0:27:33.400 --> 0:27:36.399 focus on two things with her control your service games 0:27:37.280 --> 0:27:39.440 and cut down your unforced eras. Go for a little 0:27:39.480 --> 0:27:42.359 more percentage, but still go for it, but just bring 0:27:42.359 --> 0:27:44.560 the margins in a little bit. It's really simple with her. 0:27:44.640 --> 0:27:48.120 And then the longer points she plays Caitlin, the more 0:27:48.160 --> 0:27:50.200 fits you get, the faster she gets. 0:27:50.000 --> 0:27:53.520 The more confident she gets totally, and those become like virtuous. 0:27:53.720 --> 0:27:56.080 She doesn't need it mentally to be told you can 0:27:56.080 --> 0:27:58.080 win a Grand Slam. No, no, no, yeah, which is a 0:27:58.080 --> 0:28:00.480 big step, right, just not everybody has that. Now has 0:28:00.520 --> 0:28:03.159 the belief, oh I made a final. 0:28:04.000 --> 0:28:05.439 She played well in a finale. 0:28:05.880 --> 0:28:08.800 I can win one. So now the mental side for 0:28:08.880 --> 0:28:12.440 Jessica has shifted a lot. Right now, it's well, she's 0:28:12.440 --> 0:28:14.800 not worrying about quarters anymore or even semis that that 0:28:14.960 --> 0:28:17.359 is broken. She never has to think about that ever again. 0:28:17.760 --> 0:28:20.760 Can I Yes, she knows I can, right, So that's done. 0:28:20.800 --> 0:28:22.959 So that's that you know, you ticked lists right when 0:28:23.000 --> 0:28:25.240 you're when you're coaching a player and you say, do 0:28:25.320 --> 0:28:27.080 you think you can make a SENTI? Well I think 0:28:27.119 --> 0:28:31.200 so what let's talk about this, right, Let's really why 0:28:31.200 --> 0:28:32.879 can't you? So that's when you've got to go through 0:28:32.920 --> 0:28:33.560 all the mental. 0:28:33.320 --> 0:28:35.119 Stuff as a coach and is Patrick the going to 0:28:35.160 --> 0:28:35.399 do this? 0:28:37.160 --> 0:28:40.000 Only time will tell, Caitlin, Only time work will tell. 0:28:51.280 --> 0:28:54.800 One thing that we were complimented for but also ripped 0:28:55.120 --> 0:28:58.120 a little was that we did not talk about Brad 0:28:58.360 --> 0:29:00.800 and oh Coco split because are coaching? 0:29:01.080 --> 0:29:02.720 Well, because it hadn't happened when we spoke. 0:29:02.760 --> 0:29:08.920 Last episode had predated the news. It seemed pretty inevitable. Yes, 0:29:09.200 --> 0:29:12.200 but also, you don't know until you know. You don't 0:29:12.200 --> 0:29:15.880 know until you know, and I wonder, you know, we've 0:29:15.880 --> 0:29:18.080 talked at length about what Coco should be doing. I 0:29:18.120 --> 0:29:20.400 hope she does what she was doing last year that 0:29:20.440 --> 0:29:22.800 was so effective. You know, I think pretty much everyone 0:29:22.840 --> 0:29:25.880 in the sport, pretty much everyone watching the sport thinks 0:29:26.200 --> 0:29:29.240 the sport is better with Coco going deep, contending, playing 0:29:29.280 --> 0:29:30.440 great and not looking. 0:29:30.800 --> 0:29:35.760 Listen, tell my ESPN executive producers that absolutely they want 0:29:35.760 --> 0:29:38.760 Coco deep. For sure brings great numbers for TV. 0:29:39.040 --> 0:29:41.920 Yeah, and she's bringing fanship and enthusiasm and people are 0:29:42.360 --> 0:29:45.000 you know, really really really excited when she's playing. 0:29:45.040 --> 0:29:48.480 Well, let's get to these questions then, for everybody, thank 0:29:48.520 --> 0:29:50.280 you for writing in so yeah, this is so fun, 0:29:50.320 --> 0:29:52.640 I love it. Yeah. Yeah, So let's start speaking of 0:29:52.960 --> 0:29:55.600 Joe Yesharoff, I hope I said that right enough. I 0:29:55.600 --> 0:29:59.719 didn't Palajz. You told views exactly what Coco was doing 0:29:59.760 --> 0:30:03.000 wrong on her serve in front of Brad, which was awesome. 0:30:03.000 --> 0:30:06.080 By the way, Why don't you become her next coach? Well, Joe, 0:30:06.880 --> 0:30:08.160 I don't. I'm just. 0:30:10.160 --> 0:30:10.640 An accident. 0:30:10.720 --> 0:30:12.600 I actually hadn't read that. I mean, I'd sort of 0:30:12.680 --> 0:30:15.080 breeze through them, but no, I wanted to answer them 0:30:15.160 --> 0:30:19.400 alive on air because I don't make those decisions, Joe. 0:30:20.360 --> 0:30:25.000 Those decisions with any coaching situation comes from the agent 0:30:26.280 --> 0:30:30.160 in her. In respect to Coco, I would imagine her agents, 0:30:30.760 --> 0:30:34.360 her parents, and then Coco and the three of those 0:30:34.600 --> 0:30:37.240 will talk amongst themselves. I'm sure would. 0:30:37.080 --> 0:30:37.600 You do it? 0:30:38.080 --> 0:30:40.000 Oh, of course I would do it. Yeah, I mean 0:30:40.000 --> 0:30:41.880 I wouldn't say no to an opportunity working with a 0:30:41.880 --> 0:30:44.040 great player. There's no way. Of course I would do it. 0:30:44.040 --> 0:30:46.240 But that's not a decision for me to make. And 0:30:46.960 --> 0:30:51.600 I love Coco. I think she's an incredible kid. And 0:30:51.640 --> 0:30:53.680 I can say kid because she's like more than half 0:30:53.680 --> 0:30:57.120 my age, a lot more than half my age. And 0:30:57.240 --> 0:31:00.520 I think she's an incredibly hard worker. I respect the 0:31:00.560 --> 0:31:03.080 heck out of her, and she has only ever been 0:31:03.560 --> 0:31:05.320 an amazing person to be around. 0:31:05.400 --> 0:31:06.240 Yeah, she's a good human. 0:31:06.280 --> 0:31:08.680 She responds to you, she looks you in the eye. 0:31:09.360 --> 0:31:11.440 I do see she's a lot more stressed on the 0:31:11.480 --> 0:31:14.600 court over the last twelve months. I don't know the 0:31:14.640 --> 0:31:16.480 answer to that. I don't know why. I think a 0:31:16.480 --> 0:31:17.920 lot of it has to do with just not having 0:31:17.920 --> 0:31:21.040 this success that she wanted to have immediately after winning 0:31:21.080 --> 0:31:23.680 the US Open. So it's a lot on her shoulders. 0:31:23.680 --> 0:31:27.520 But look, I just hope whoever she chooses, here's a 0:31:27.520 --> 0:31:31.240 tremendous amount of experience, and you know it can work 0:31:31.240 --> 0:31:33.720 on the little technical flaws. She has to have someone 0:31:33.800 --> 0:31:35.640 like that to work on those technical floors and not 0:31:35.680 --> 0:31:38.480 be afraid to work on those technical flaws, you know. 0:31:39.960 --> 0:31:42.160 You know, even with my time with Carolina Plishkova, one 0:31:42.160 --> 0:31:44.720 of the first things I did was say, your serf 0:31:44.760 --> 0:31:47.840 can be way better, and everyone probably looked at me like, well, 0:31:47.960 --> 0:31:50.640 she's like aces, she's the ace queen. Yeah, well there 0:31:50.640 --> 0:31:53.520 are technical flaws still wrong with her surf, for example, 0:31:53.920 --> 0:31:55.400 that you know, you've got to be willing to go 0:31:55.480 --> 0:31:57.280 in there and say I don't need this job. But 0:31:57.320 --> 0:31:58.720 I want this job and I want to help you, 0:31:58.880 --> 0:32:00.760 And those are the two things a lot coaches don't do. 0:32:00.800 --> 0:32:02.600 They go and say, can you pay my rent for me? 0:32:03.480 --> 0:32:04.680 That's true? Yeah, you know? 0:32:05.480 --> 0:32:05.800 All right? 0:32:05.880 --> 0:32:08.960 Next? All right? Were you oh gosh, it's just one 0:32:09.000 --> 0:32:10.720 after the other. Were you surprised at Cocoa and Brad 0:32:10.720 --> 0:32:12.680 parted ways? And who do you think her next coach 0:32:12.720 --> 0:32:16.480 will be? Julia Eager? I don't know, and I think 0:32:16.480 --> 0:32:20.080 we kind of sort of answered that question. Okay, Ron buckmele, 0:32:20.120 --> 0:32:22.440 you'll like this one. Should real tennis fans care about 0:32:22.560 --> 0:32:25.040 Labor Cup or only when Kully toss plays it? 0:32:25.880 --> 0:32:29.880 I mean I care about Corolitos plenty too, in any context. 0:32:29.880 --> 0:32:32.040 I guess it just wasn't enough to get me to 0:32:32.080 --> 0:32:34.280 watch the Laver Cup. Should real tennis flans? I think 0:32:34.320 --> 0:32:36.560 real tennis fans can define themselves however they want. Real 0:32:36.600 --> 0:32:42.040 tennis fans can watch their neighborhood, you know, Ladder, They 0:32:42.080 --> 0:32:44.880 can what a local club, the high school team. I 0:32:44.880 --> 0:32:47.520 think they can do whatever they want. I think for 0:32:47.600 --> 0:32:49.920 me to take the Labor Cup seriously, I would like 0:32:49.920 --> 0:32:51.440 for it to include women, and I would like for 0:32:51.520 --> 0:32:53.680 it to be a little bit more thoughtful about where 0:32:53.680 --> 0:32:58.480 it travels peror our conversation earlier exactly, Okay, James. Also 0:32:58.600 --> 0:33:01.240 the law and Order font. I just can't get over this. 0:33:01.320 --> 0:33:04.120 It looks like a guy from Ohio who's an agent, 0:33:04.560 --> 0:33:06.800 had the entire hand and doing all of this, and 0:33:06.840 --> 0:33:10.360 I just the taste level is so bad. I'm not 0:33:10.360 --> 0:33:11.440 talking about anyone in particular. 0:33:11.600 --> 0:33:15.480 Go on, Okay, good j Miller delighted with the WTA 0:33:15.520 --> 0:33:18.520 Tour players, a little worried about today's all court game though, 0:33:18.600 --> 0:33:21.840 and how tennis always a gladiator sport, now daily battle 0:33:21.840 --> 0:33:25.680 of attrition with huge impact on players time on court injuries, 0:33:26.040 --> 0:33:28.080 when everyone becomes an adule to win a point. We 0:33:28.160 --> 0:33:28.800 have a problem. 0:33:28.960 --> 0:33:31.480 She's talking about like counterpunching grind she. 0:33:31.800 --> 0:33:35.640 Or a he. It's Miller, Miller o Popolis and it's 0:33:35.640 --> 0:33:38.400 a photo of a cat. A cat lady could be 0:33:38.440 --> 0:33:40.959 a cat lady, well, a cat and gentlemen, oh no, 0:33:41.000 --> 0:33:43.880 it's not a cat. It's a dog. My apologies. I 0:33:43.920 --> 0:33:44.800 wasn't zooming in. 0:33:44.840 --> 0:33:47.640 We don't know anything about you, Miller. Ye will answer 0:33:47.640 --> 0:33:48.080 your question. 0:33:49.160 --> 0:33:51.000 I will say I agree with you. And one of 0:33:51.040 --> 0:33:53.080 the things that I did say number of years ago 0:33:53.160 --> 0:33:58.000 was the next great tennis player, particularly on the men's side, 0:33:58.640 --> 0:34:00.480 and I would argue to say that this could be 0:34:00.480 --> 0:34:03.320 also the women's side has to be better at coming 0:34:03.400 --> 0:34:06.640 forward into the net and improve on the volleys and 0:34:06.680 --> 0:34:09.080 have a shot that's a little different. And you know, 0:34:09.080 --> 0:34:11.000 I got a bit of shit a couple of weeks 0:34:11.040 --> 0:34:16.680 ago shocker from Shocker fans about my comments about Carlos 0:34:17.360 --> 0:34:20.360 bringing the drop shot in right, and in my opinion, 0:34:22.320 --> 0:34:25.839 no one has used that shot more than him. Ever, Yeah, 0:34:25.880 --> 0:34:29.719 he is in response right in tennis, particularly off the 0:34:29.719 --> 0:34:33.360 forehand right. And then I got he didn't invent the 0:34:33.400 --> 0:34:35.920 drop shot. I'm like, you, calm down, everybody. I know 0:34:35.960 --> 0:34:37.719 the drop shots. Guess what I used to play, and 0:34:37.760 --> 0:34:39.920 guess what I used to hit a drop shot. I 0:34:39.960 --> 0:34:42.600 know that the drop shot has existed in tennis. But 0:34:43.320 --> 0:34:46.120 his forehand drop shot is a shot we've never seen. 0:34:46.640 --> 0:34:49.799 It's incredibly well disguised. He hits it from anywhere, and 0:34:49.880 --> 0:34:53.560 he executes it flawlessly almost all the time. Yes, it's insane, 0:34:53.640 --> 0:34:55.600 So it's truly a weapon. 0:34:55.640 --> 0:34:57.960 It's truly a weapon. And when you guys, guys standing 0:34:58.000 --> 0:34:59.799 one hundred feet behind the baseline, and some of these 0:34:59.800 --> 0:35:02.879 when as well, like in egashion tech players that play 0:35:02.920 --> 0:35:05.720 way back. If you can implement a fourhand, particularly fourhand 0:35:05.800 --> 0:35:07.080 drop shot, a lot of the women do it off 0:35:07.120 --> 0:35:09.479 the back end. Donnovekich hits that drop shot so well. 0:35:09.680 --> 0:35:12.560 On I think on Zubur brought in the drop shot 0:35:12.560 --> 0:35:14.680 to women's tennis a lot more. And you know, it's 0:35:14.680 --> 0:35:17.120 all we could talk about. It's all people can talk about. 0:35:17.160 --> 0:35:19.400 So it's like, so my my point in telling you 0:35:19.480 --> 0:35:23.640 this is the next great player outside of the Sabalancas 0:35:23.640 --> 0:35:26.319 and all this, they will have an extra shot that 0:35:26.360 --> 0:35:28.919 goes whoa finally, you know, and Mukhova, for. 0:35:28.840 --> 0:35:31.120 Example, is a true would talk about it. 0:35:31.160 --> 0:35:33.680 She's a true all court player and maybe one shot 0:35:33.719 --> 0:35:37.160 she can implement is the drop shot herself. But she 0:35:37.280 --> 0:35:40.040 has every shot in the book. So Fali's comes in, so. 0:35:40.200 --> 0:35:42.399 I actually think we're in the midst of seeing this happen. 0:35:42.440 --> 0:35:45.239 I think between a curlytos between Arena Sebleka. Everyone talks 0:35:45.239 --> 0:35:47.239 about how fast her groundstrokes are and how huge are 0:35:47.280 --> 0:35:50.279 fourhand is, but she moves forward, she hits great valley. 0:35:50.400 --> 0:35:53.960 She's won several slams in doubles. Like, to me, that 0:35:54.120 --> 0:35:57.920 is so exciting because it's not just power baseline tennis. 0:35:57.960 --> 0:36:02.319 It's really it's really varietive and creative, and I know it, 0:36:02.360 --> 0:36:04.000 and I think you're right. I'd love to see more 0:36:04.000 --> 0:36:06.800 of it. And Mukhova being healthy and making a strong 0:36:06.880 --> 0:36:10.600 showing this year I think shows a lot of people like, oh, 0:36:10.680 --> 0:36:13.160 this is we have a style of tennis we can 0:36:13.200 --> 0:36:16.000 get excited about that we haven't seen so much of. 0:36:16.200 --> 0:36:18.279 Yeah, and it brings back a little bit of ash 0:36:18.320 --> 0:36:22.880 Barty type that we loved to watch obviously. Okay, monkey Bread, 0:36:23.360 --> 0:36:25.359 I'd like to know how much during a match are 0:36:25.400 --> 0:36:27.879 players thinking, if I win this match, it's twenty five 0:36:27.920 --> 0:36:30.480 thousand dollars more in prize money. How much do you 0:36:30.520 --> 0:36:32.239 think players think about things like this? 0:36:34.160 --> 0:36:35.359 I think it depends on player. Right. 0:36:35.400 --> 0:36:38.880 You've also written something else. I'm curious why the announcers 0:36:38.920 --> 0:36:42.120 never mentioned maybe this stuff. I cut the end of 0:36:42.160 --> 0:36:45.000 that question off, but oh no, there it is. I'm 0:36:45.000 --> 0:36:47.800 also curious why the announcers never mentioned prize money. Fritz 0:36:47.840 --> 0:36:51.480 Foux over Foe was an extra five hundred k I've 0:36:51.480 --> 0:36:54.399 heard them mention, Okay, so I can tell you this. Yeah, 0:36:54.440 --> 0:36:57.080 we always mentioned that as announcers, the money. But you know, 0:36:57.080 --> 0:36:58.719 we don't want to get to caught in the weeds 0:36:58.719 --> 0:37:01.640 with that, because honestly, is not important. I will say 0:37:01.680 --> 0:37:03.200 as a player, when I got a little bit older 0:37:03.760 --> 0:37:05.680 and I knew that my time was running out of 0:37:06.200 --> 0:37:08.440 how big a check can I make as a tennis player? 0:37:08.440 --> 0:37:11.839 Because you know, arguably I'll never make checks like that 0:37:11.920 --> 0:37:14.040 ever again. You know, the potential of making a check 0:37:14.040 --> 0:37:16.400 for you know, a couple of hundred thousand dollars or 0:37:16.440 --> 0:37:19.240 something like that. It's podcast money, Yeah, it's podcast money. 0:37:20.160 --> 0:37:23.239 But so I started thinking about a little bit more 0:37:23.239 --> 0:37:24.839 at the end of my career, think is shit, if 0:37:24.840 --> 0:37:26.880 we won this tournaments, you know, one hundred and fifty thousand, 0:37:26.960 --> 0:37:30.200 like that's really great. But honestly, it's not really what 0:37:30.400 --> 0:37:35.120 motivates any tennis player. I think winning and losing is 0:37:35.120 --> 0:37:37.279 more important. Like winning is more important. And then you 0:37:37.320 --> 0:37:40.360 think about what it can bring for you ranking points wise, 0:37:40.400 --> 0:37:44.640 and then inevitably you're always thinking about money in a way, 0:37:44.719 --> 0:37:47.040 but you're not really on the court thinking, oh, this 0:37:47.120 --> 0:37:48.920 is worth another twenty thousand to me. I mean it 0:37:49.000 --> 0:37:50.000 might cross your mind. 0:37:50.040 --> 0:37:51.880 I mean I feel like Sloan Stephens sort of famously 0:37:51.960 --> 0:37:54.279 kind of owns that yeah, which I kind of really 0:37:54.320 --> 0:37:56.279 love about her. Yeah, Like I'm not sure she's thinking 0:37:56.320 --> 0:37:58.879 about it every match, but definitely she's like chit ching 0:38:00.120 --> 0:38:00.879 and maybe, like. 0:38:00.960 --> 0:38:02.399 I think there are a lot of players that come 0:38:02.400 --> 0:38:04.480 from very poor backgrounds. 0:38:04.760 --> 0:38:06.759 The lines evens coming from. 0:38:06.320 --> 0:38:09.600 No, I think she comes from a middle class family. 0:38:09.640 --> 0:38:14.400 But but it's arguably you talking players from Ukraine, from 0:38:14.440 --> 0:38:17.040 Russia or from wherever they're poor. 0:38:17.360 --> 0:38:22.560 There's absolutely if you're getting into tournaments about its getting 0:38:22.600 --> 0:38:25.000 your teeth and there's a difference between you know, your 0:38:25.120 --> 0:38:27.840 entire year's earnings on the line. Like sure, yeah, I 0:38:27.880 --> 0:38:29.080 think you're right. It doesn't seem I. 0:38:29.080 --> 0:38:31.000 Mean when you're talking about it for a Sinner and 0:38:31.200 --> 0:38:34.400 Djokovic and you know, even Fritz and Foe and all 0:38:34.400 --> 0:38:36.759 these guys, they're not thinking, oh god, this is worth 0:38:36.760 --> 0:38:42.440 another hundred K to me. No, Okay, players Jpeg hits flat. 0:38:42.800 --> 0:38:46.520 That's a connotation for it, Jessica pol players who hit 0:38:46.640 --> 0:38:49.200 super flat or with a lot of spin. I Epergula 0:38:49.400 --> 0:38:52.640 who hits flat? Can she easily play with more shape 0:38:52.680 --> 0:38:57.040 if needed? Not? Really, Yes, she can, but that's not 0:38:57.120 --> 0:39:00.840 her game. The way she hits the ball and the 0:39:00.880 --> 0:39:03.680 way her sort of her wrist action is and all 0:39:03.680 --> 0:39:06.080 that sort of stuff. She's not about to change that now. 0:39:06.120 --> 0:39:09.279 Now I know that there's times that she probably has 0:39:09.360 --> 0:39:11.399 put more spin on the ball, and can You can 0:39:11.480 --> 0:39:13.120 put more spin on the ball as a player, but 0:39:13.120 --> 0:39:15.839 it's not really your nature to go to and it's 0:39:15.880 --> 0:39:17.800 not natural for you. Then it becomes a bit harder. 0:39:18.080 --> 0:39:20.600 It's certainly something to work on because it can be 0:39:20.640 --> 0:39:22.880 the difference making against a certain player. You want to 0:39:22.880 --> 0:39:24.720 get the ball out of the hitting zone for example. 0:39:25.080 --> 0:39:28.280 For example, hitting spin against jask Is is a good idea. 0:39:28.320 --> 0:39:29.680 You want to try and get it above her shoulders 0:39:29.680 --> 0:39:31.520 because if you don't, you're in all sorts of trouble 0:39:31.520 --> 0:39:34.640 because she hits all so well. She's like a five 0:39:34.640 --> 0:39:36.719 foot version five foot four. I don't want to make 0:39:36.760 --> 0:39:39.360 it shorter than she is. She's I think six or 0:39:39.719 --> 0:39:44.520 five six, not five seven, maybe five six. Listen, she's 0:39:44.520 --> 0:39:48.759 not I'm not a sabalanca. She's not sabal ancha. I 0:39:48.800 --> 0:39:50.920 was going to compare her to her way she plays 0:39:51.080 --> 0:39:54.319 is like a five foot six or seven version of 0:39:54.360 --> 0:39:55.239 Lindsay Davenport. 0:39:55.920 --> 0:39:58.040 She's flattening and hard. 0:39:58.440 --> 0:40:00.440 It doesn't look like they're hitting the ball hard, but 0:40:00.520 --> 0:40:03.560 my god, the ball comes flying off her racket and 0:40:03.600 --> 0:40:07.320 it is really hard to control. Okay, Jay Miller again, 0:40:07.440 --> 0:40:09.879 if a second question is possible, Yeah, it is, because 0:40:09.880 --> 0:40:12.120 I'm already READI it. Still having a really hard time 0:40:12.160 --> 0:40:15.720 seeing tennis with betting outfits as major tour sponsors, slippery 0:40:15.760 --> 0:40:19.520 slope players harassed by gamblers is unacceptable. Are the tours 0:40:19.560 --> 0:40:21.880 going to do anything on this or even give the 0:40:21.880 --> 0:40:27.240 players a percent of sponsorship? Well, great question. I always 0:40:27.239 --> 0:40:29.160 think that's funny too, because I remember a couple of 0:40:29.200 --> 0:40:31.920 years ago they did such a big investigation into players 0:40:31.960 --> 0:40:34.799 gam I know, are they throwing matches and are their 0:40:34.800 --> 0:40:36.720 players out there doing Yes, of course there are players 0:40:36.760 --> 0:40:39.720 doing it, but they're in the small, lower level tournaments 0:40:39.760 --> 0:40:42.719 like five thousands in Brazil. Those are the players that 0:40:42.760 --> 0:40:45.600 are tanking matches to make money. Need the money from 0:40:45.760 --> 0:40:48.440 the gambling syndicates. So if you want to bet on 0:40:48.520 --> 0:40:52.920 a fifty thousand or five thousand tournament or ten thousand 0:40:53.200 --> 0:40:57.080 k tournament in Brazil and your player doesn't win, suck 0:40:57.560 --> 0:41:00.719 on it, okay, because if you want to riding them 0:41:00.760 --> 0:41:03.200 on social media telling them you couldn't hold serve and 0:41:03.200 --> 0:41:05.080 why would you double fault this happens all the time 0:41:05.120 --> 0:41:08.719 to players, it happens, they get abused non stop, and 0:41:08.760 --> 0:41:12.600 they're all gamblers. So but the Australian Open, I remember 0:41:12.640 --> 0:41:17.400 they had a sponsorship of a gambling company on their 0:41:17.920 --> 0:41:20.920 you know, sponsorship behind the court and everything, and everyone 0:41:20.960 --> 0:41:23.600 was up in arms. How can you do that? You're 0:41:23.600 --> 0:41:26.520 doing an investigation and a gambling and tennis and you've 0:41:26.560 --> 0:41:30.680 got a gambling sponsorship. I'm like, and gambling has been 0:41:30.680 --> 0:41:33.279 a part of every single Grand Slam forever. They just 0:41:33.360 --> 0:41:37.120 don't promote it, but they're always been a part of it. 0:41:37.520 --> 0:41:40.640 And I have no problem with a gambling company sponsoring 0:41:40.680 --> 0:41:44.000 a tennis tournament or a sporting event because people gamble 0:41:44.080 --> 0:41:46.440 on sports. It's been happening in Australia for one hundred 0:41:46.480 --> 0:41:48.840 billion years, in the UK and Europe, and finally the 0:41:48.920 --> 0:41:51.279 US is finally like, oh we can make money on this. 0:41:51.480 --> 0:41:53.719 I mean, it's unbelievable to me that US has taken 0:41:53.800 --> 0:41:57.240 so long to have the Draft Kings and you know, ESPN, 0:41:57.320 --> 0:41:59.799 Bet and all these companies, because it happens all the 0:41:59.800 --> 0:42:05.799 time and it's a great It makes a lot of money. Now, 0:42:05.840 --> 0:42:07.520 if you want to be stupid enough to throw your 0:42:07.520 --> 0:42:10.120 money down on tennis events, and you apply losers if 0:42:10.120 --> 0:42:13.200 you feel the need to harass them, you're a fucking loser. 0:42:13.680 --> 0:42:17.200 Sorry, I do think what's your thought on this? Well, 0:42:17.320 --> 0:42:20.799 I sort of think of it from a platforming perspective, 0:42:21.880 --> 0:42:24.120 which is kind of similar to the Twitter conversation we 0:42:24.160 --> 0:42:26.640 had the other day where people are like, oh, do 0:42:26.719 --> 0:42:28.840 you you know Twitter? And what do you think about 0:42:29.000 --> 0:42:30.759 And it's like, I don't think anything about Twitter. Twitter 0:42:30.760 --> 0:42:34.480 doesn't matter anymore. It doesn't send traffic to media people, 0:42:34.520 --> 0:42:37.360 it doesn't. It's not where the conversation is. It's a 0:42:37.360 --> 0:42:39.920 bunch of Reddit virgins. 0:42:39.400 --> 0:42:40.600 It's gross. 0:42:40.680 --> 0:42:45.839 And I think very similarly when you think about platforms, 0:42:45.880 --> 0:42:49.960 in no way, shape or form should any of the 0:42:50.000 --> 0:42:54.920 players be subjected to harass, right, and so what I'm 0:42:55.160 --> 0:42:58.040 told to die? Yeah, they're told way worse things than 0:42:58.120 --> 0:43:01.520 to die. So, without getting into but actually, Caroline Garcia's 0:43:01.560 --> 0:43:05.359 podcast Tennis Insider has had a number of conversations about 0:43:05.360 --> 0:43:07.359 this where players are very candid about talking about it. 0:43:07.440 --> 0:43:12.000 She herself, yeah, put stuff on their for a long time, 0:43:12.560 --> 0:43:14.759 but I really applaud her for kind of taking it 0:43:14.800 --> 0:43:17.600 on pretty regularly. So to me, it's a platform issue. 0:43:17.800 --> 0:43:22.840 If you are a draft Kings or a FanDuel member 0:43:23.400 --> 0:43:27.960 or executive and you see players or your betters being 0:43:28.000 --> 0:43:31.120 reported for harassment, kick them off the platform. Will they 0:43:31.120 --> 0:43:34.120 create another account under another name. Maybe, But the idea 0:43:34.160 --> 0:43:38.480 is that it's not platforming hate speech and the sooner 0:43:38.520 --> 0:43:41.400 you police that. If you're a platform, then you're a publisher. 0:43:41.719 --> 0:43:43.880 And that's a distinction that almost nobody is going to 0:43:43.920 --> 0:43:46.759 appreciate or get. But as a media person, if you're 0:43:46.880 --> 0:43:49.880 platforming people, meaning giving them the chance to speak, you 0:43:49.920 --> 0:43:53.040 are actually a publisher and you're bound by the laws 0:43:53.040 --> 0:43:55.640 of the land, which in this case indicate hate speech. 0:43:55.920 --> 0:43:58.799 And going after players with hate speech means not only 0:43:58.840 --> 0:44:01.400 are you liable, but also you need to be the deplatform. 0:44:01.560 --> 0:44:04.840 And anyone who writes to a player an abusive message 0:44:04.840 --> 0:44:12.960 and it's daily, I just think you really should get 0:44:13.000 --> 0:44:13.480 a life. 0:44:13.840 --> 0:44:18.440 And you know, well, they don't have life. This is 0:44:18.440 --> 0:44:20.200 their whole thing. So I would just say. 0:44:20.080 --> 0:44:23.799 Abuse, it's so bad. It's like, what is that going 0:44:23.880 --> 0:44:25.600 to do. It's not going to help you later on. 0:44:26.120 --> 0:44:29.360 And I hope anyone who writes an abusive tweet or 0:44:29.400 --> 0:44:32.759 a text or anything to anyone's Instagram or social I 0:44:32.840 --> 0:44:35.680 hope you lose every bit of your money, all of it. 0:44:35.920 --> 0:44:37.440 Well, they probably are good. 0:44:37.840 --> 0:44:41.239 Okay, let's get to doctor Sook. It's a good name. 0:44:41.560 --> 0:44:45.760 Holgas started annoying but strong, now less annoying, but losing 0:44:46.000 --> 0:44:48.520 was his immature swagger, key to his game. He has 0:44:48.560 --> 0:44:51.640 three questions, so we'll answer that one first. I don't know. 0:44:51.840 --> 0:44:56.440 I think that he's matured a little bit, and I 0:44:56.480 --> 0:45:00.560 think as we've noted mostly on this pod, and I 0:45:00.680 --> 0:45:03.400 said some controversial things about whole Garuno, but I actually 0:45:03.440 --> 0:45:06.520 like the kid a lot, and I think that time 0:45:06.640 --> 0:45:09.240 will tell. I think he's got a few technical flaws 0:45:09.360 --> 0:45:12.759 as well. The forehands a little bit funky. But I 0:45:12.760 --> 0:45:14.840 think he's going to be fine. He's going to mature. 0:45:15.480 --> 0:45:16.879 I think he's going to get better with age. 0:45:16.920 --> 0:45:17.120 He is. 0:45:17.400 --> 0:45:19.480 He's a good all court player, and I think he's 0:45:19.719 --> 0:45:21.520 going to mature and get older. I think he had 0:45:21.560 --> 0:45:23.200 a lot of pressure on his shoulders early on when 0:45:23.200 --> 0:45:24.720 he came out and had such great success. 0:45:24.760 --> 0:45:26.600 So well, he came up with curlyitos, and I feel 0:45:26.600 --> 0:45:28.480 like the two of them were sort of hailed as 0:45:28.480 --> 0:45:31.000 a very section and when one of them takes off 0:45:31.040 --> 0:45:33.960 the other one doesn't to the same hates. Yeah, it 0:45:34.040 --> 0:45:36.160 becomes a lot of pressure. Now. I found him really 0:45:36.160 --> 0:45:39.799 introspective and thoughtful in his the Netflix episode about him, 0:45:39.800 --> 0:45:42.480 and I thought, oh, he's cocky, but in a way 0:45:42.520 --> 0:45:45.400 that's like sort of a little self aware. Yeah, and 0:45:45.440 --> 0:45:46.759 it made me like him a lot more. Yeah. 0:45:46.760 --> 0:45:48.680 And I think when he goes and has Twitter rants 0:45:48.680 --> 0:45:52.200 with people that give him shit, I'm like, oh, I 0:45:52.320 --> 0:45:54.879 feel bad because he's like obviously is very sensitive. Yeah, 0:45:55.000 --> 0:45:56.480 like him anyway, and I do like it. 0:45:56.480 --> 0:45:57.160 I'm written for him. 0:45:57.200 --> 0:46:00.000 Okay, tiafa dump Wayne, but seems to have more problems 0:46:00.120 --> 0:46:03.560 bless with physical and technical game. Is he Is he 0:46:03.640 --> 0:46:07.520 too muscle bound? Same? Doctor Sook said that No, he's 0:46:07.560 --> 0:46:10.279 definitely not too muscle bound. He sweats a lot. He 0:46:10.400 --> 0:46:14.279 ran out of gas against Taylor because arguably Taylor just 0:46:14.320 --> 0:46:16.799 has a little bit more firepower, particularly on the serve. Well, 0:46:16.880 --> 0:46:19.200 now Francis has a great serve. I just think he 0:46:19.640 --> 0:46:21.920 talked about being very nervous. He was very close to 0:46:21.920 --> 0:46:25.319 winning that match in four sets. Taylor was, you know, 0:46:25.360 --> 0:46:29.399 looking a bit down himself. But I give Taylor older 0:46:29.400 --> 0:46:31.120 credit for winning that match, And no, I don't think so. 0:46:31.160 --> 0:46:33.839 I think Look, Francis is always going to have these 0:46:33.880 --> 0:46:36.839 funky swings. I mean, self taught tennis player essentially, which 0:46:36.880 --> 0:46:39.520 is one of the greatest stories in tennis. He'll be fine, 0:46:39.520 --> 0:46:42.560 don't worry about it. Mukhova is great. But do Checks 0:46:42.600 --> 0:46:45.719 have mental wobble? What that is the third question from 0:46:45.760 --> 0:46:47.640 doctor Zok, So enough from you, doctor Suk. 0:46:47.719 --> 0:46:49.719 No, she doesn't think. Yeah, the answer is no. 0:46:50.080 --> 0:46:52.520 I think. Look, I think that she definitely could be 0:46:52.560 --> 0:46:54.719 mentally a little bit stronger. I think she's starting to 0:46:54.880 --> 0:46:56.880 hopefully believe in herself. But this is a woman that 0:46:56.960 --> 0:47:00.840 just come back from a major, major, major risk surgery. 0:47:00.480 --> 0:47:04.839 And has had two Grand Slam semifinals and a final year. 0:47:05.080 --> 0:47:07.160 I don't think the question is about the Checks. I 0:47:07.160 --> 0:47:08.439 mean I think if you want to look at the Checks, 0:47:08.440 --> 0:47:10.400 like are the Checks the most mentally strong people in 0:47:10.440 --> 0:47:15.080 the history of tennis? Maybe maybe listen between Lendell and Martina, like, 0:47:15.120 --> 0:47:17.080 come on, the tradition is strong. I think it's more 0:47:17.080 --> 0:47:20.239 a Mukova specific back. Well, it's also like this is 0:47:20.239 --> 0:47:22.239 how long this has been a dynasty, and they're really 0:47:22.239 --> 0:47:25.080 responsible I think for the generations that followed, right, So 0:47:25.080 --> 0:47:26.680 I think when I think of check players. Even at 0:47:26.680 --> 0:47:28.120 the level that I play, I play with a lot 0:47:28.160 --> 0:47:31.040 of check players. They're tough as nails. So I think 0:47:31.080 --> 0:47:33.000 it's a Mukova thing, which is I'm coming back from 0:47:33.000 --> 0:47:37.680 injury and I have a very high creative game, high 0:47:37.680 --> 0:47:39.840 creativity inspired game, which I think you can get a 0:47:39.880 --> 0:47:41.719 little bit lost in the saw sometimes about that. 0:47:41.719 --> 0:47:43.759 It was one fourhand volley away from being a set 0:47:43.800 --> 0:47:45.920 and three love up against Jess a few breaks. I 0:47:46.000 --> 0:47:48.400 don't think she loses that match if she makes that volley. 0:47:48.440 --> 0:47:50.160 Well, she made the valley, she didn't pay away. 0:47:50.800 --> 0:47:51.800 No, no, she missed the volley. 0:47:51.840 --> 0:47:53.360 She didn't. She hit it right back to Jess, and 0:47:53.440 --> 0:47:54.600 Jess hit a passenger. 0:47:54.800 --> 0:47:58.359 She missed the toppy foehand into the net. 0:47:58.680 --> 0:48:00.319 Well, we'll have to go to the tap. My god, 0:48:00.360 --> 0:48:02.360 I was doing please please just keep going. 0:48:02.800 --> 0:48:05.160 Okay, I was doing the match and I said, wow, 0:48:05.200 --> 0:48:08.399 she normally it actually went long. It went long. 0:48:08.760 --> 0:48:10.920 When I'm edicated this, it'll be really exciting for us. 0:48:11.000 --> 0:48:15.640 I'm gonna pull it up right now after the questions. Okay, 0:48:15.680 --> 0:48:18.920 So R. M. Jackson five like the name, and he's 0:48:18.920 --> 0:48:22.560 a white guy. That's great. Why is Muhova so fun 0:48:22.600 --> 0:48:26.080 to watch. Does she have compact or long strokes? Is 0:48:26.120 --> 0:48:30.399 she a mix of old school Borg Macenroe and current techniques? Well, 0:48:30.440 --> 0:48:32.200 it's kind of a little bit of a confusing question, 0:48:32.239 --> 0:48:35.719 but I do appreciate it. RM Jackson five. She is 0:48:35.719 --> 0:48:38.520 fun to watch. I would say her strokes are very 0:48:38.560 --> 0:48:44.000 classic strokes. There's nothing about her strokes or her game 0:48:44.080 --> 0:48:47.000 that are really that flawed, and I think that's what 0:48:47.040 --> 0:48:48.880 makes us so fun to watch. I think the most 0:48:49.360 --> 0:48:50.960 thing that I love to watch is the fact that 0:48:51.000 --> 0:48:54.000 she serves and bollies. The fact that she comes into 0:48:54.040 --> 0:48:57.120 the net every opportunity she can, and on any short 0:48:57.160 --> 0:48:59.480 forehand she plays the right shot. She hits that forehand 0:48:59.520 --> 0:49:01.640 inside out, down the line and comes into the net 0:49:01.640 --> 0:49:04.239 and finishes it off with a volley, And I just 0:49:04.760 --> 0:49:10.439 absolutely love watching her play. Yes, so all right, let's 0:49:10.440 --> 0:49:14.759 get to b hd t TL wacky WTA. I think 0:49:14.880 --> 0:49:19.440 WTA should make round talking about the ball standard on 0:49:19.520 --> 0:49:22.520 all surfaces to reduce injuries. I go one serve only 0:49:22.560 --> 0:49:26.719 to reduce serve boddying. Like uts, it'll make WS games 0:49:27.120 --> 0:49:31.120 more watchable. What's wrong with women's tennis? I'm not even 0:49:31.080 --> 0:49:34.680 going to answer this question. Women's game more watchable in 0:49:34.760 --> 0:49:38.319 my opinion, XD balls cause so many shoulder injuries. Blah 0:49:38.360 --> 0:49:43.799 blah blah. Okay, wacky WTA. I will say this, you 0:49:43.840 --> 0:49:47.440 can't have the same ball every week because balls and 0:49:47.480 --> 0:49:51.440 ball sponsors like Wilson and Penn and Technic Fiber and 0:49:51.440 --> 0:49:53.600 blah blah blah and Babbelatt and all of them, they 0:49:53.640 --> 0:49:55.680 all make balls and they all want them to be 0:49:55.760 --> 0:49:57.920 used at a tournament, so they give the tournament money 0:49:57.960 --> 0:50:01.120 to use their balls. It's called promoting their ball. So 0:50:01.880 --> 0:50:03.520 of course a tournament is going to take a fifty 0:50:03.600 --> 0:50:05.880 thousand dollars from a Wilson or one hundred thousand from 0:50:05.920 --> 0:50:08.319 a Wilson to use their balls in the tournament. So 0:50:08.440 --> 0:50:10.920 that's why you don't have the same uniformity of a ball. Now, 0:50:10.960 --> 0:50:13.000 if you did, then the w T A a TP 0:50:13.120 --> 0:50:14.840 should get together with a Wilson or a Pan or 0:50:14.840 --> 0:50:17.799 whoever and say this is our ball all the time. 0:50:17.920 --> 0:50:20.319 Does seem like a opportunity. 0:50:20.400 --> 0:50:22.560 It does, but it's not going to happen. So there 0:50:22.560 --> 0:50:25.120 you go. And yes, the reason they're using regular duty 0:50:25.120 --> 0:50:27.320 at the US Open is because it does cause problems 0:50:27.320 --> 0:50:29.120 for the player, especially the women with their wrists, with 0:50:29.160 --> 0:50:31.560 their elbows and their shoulders. So that's why they went 0:50:31.600 --> 0:50:35.520 back to regular duty. And that's it. And I don't 0:50:35.560 --> 0:50:39.759 appreciate b h dtl's little slant on women's tennis. You 0:50:39.760 --> 0:50:43.040 should think about men's tennis a little bit more being unwatchable, 0:50:43.760 --> 0:50:47.120 I think so. I know you're a fan, but that 0:50:47.760 --> 0:50:54.120 just bothers me. He has another question. Should Goff have 0:50:54.160 --> 0:50:56.200 parted ways with Gilbert? Who do you think as coach? 0:50:56.239 --> 0:50:58.839 We've already okay, right a kana, Yeah, these are all 0:50:58.880 --> 0:51:01.719 being answered. Why is okay, it's maybe someday who we love? 0:51:02.120 --> 0:51:04.160 Why isn't there a Slam for South America? 0:51:04.400 --> 0:51:08.480 Yeah, Caitlin, thank you, agreed. Let's she wants to take 0:51:08.520 --> 0:51:10.240 the Australian Open and put in South America. 0:51:10.320 --> 0:51:11.840 So we are done with this question. 0:51:12.680 --> 0:51:13.560 Not necessarily. 0:51:13.680 --> 0:51:16.440 I think I could have a major, not a major, tonment, 0:51:16.440 --> 0:51:17.960 not a major like a Grand Slam, but that wasn't 0:51:17.960 --> 0:51:18.759 a big tournament down. 0:51:18.920 --> 0:51:22.320 I think we can well, we can do literally anything 0:51:22.360 --> 0:51:24.840 we want. Keep in mind, one hundred years ago this 0:51:25.080 --> 0:51:32.239 was a globe ruled by kingdoms and you know blood no. 0:51:32.320 --> 0:51:34.800 But my point is nothing matters. The world can change. 0:51:34.880 --> 0:51:36.959 Nobody could have a Slam in October until the French 0:51:36.960 --> 0:51:39.160 Open did it like anything can happen. The Australian Open 0:51:39.200 --> 0:51:42.800 wasn't really a major until it was the Open major. 0:51:42.960 --> 0:51:45.640 It has not. Was it a bigger deal than the 0:51:45.640 --> 0:51:48.800 Canadian Open or the Italian Open. No. Up until a 0:51:48.840 --> 0:51:50.520 certain time it wasn't. So my point is why not 0:51:50.600 --> 0:51:51.319 at a fifth Slam? 0:51:51.360 --> 0:51:52.520 But it wasn't always a major. 0:51:52.680 --> 0:51:54.880 Sure, But my point here is you can do whatever 0:51:54.920 --> 0:51:56.520 we want with the calendar. What I would love to 0:51:56.520 --> 0:52:00.400 see is the tours consolidate, decide which thousands mattered most, 0:52:00.440 --> 0:52:02.840 and then let's change the definition of a Slam so 0:52:02.880 --> 0:52:07.840 that it becomes, you know, as prestigious because the Southern hemisphere. This, this, 0:52:08.040 --> 0:52:11.000 by the way, is my way of appeasing you and 0:52:11.000 --> 0:52:13.680 not taking away the Australian Open. But instead let's add 0:52:13.719 --> 0:52:16.960 a fit Slam. Maybe it's in Argentina, a very strong 0:52:17.320 --> 0:52:18.400 tennis playing country. 0:52:18.440 --> 0:52:19.560 You cannot add another. 0:52:20.120 --> 0:52:22.799 You can do anything, You can do anything, you just 0:52:22.800 --> 0:52:24.960 want to South America, Argentina. Everybody does. 0:52:25.000 --> 0:52:28.839 What can club torontosaurus flex? Who we love? What can 0:52:28.920 --> 0:52:31.239 club doubles players do? More? 0:52:31.440 --> 0:52:32.080 Poach to win? 0:52:32.800 --> 0:52:35.480 Yeah? Move the net more? Yeah, move the net more? 0:52:35.760 --> 0:52:38.160 Or if the net player is stinking it up, just 0:52:38.239 --> 0:52:41.680 keep hitting it at them over and over and over again. 0:52:41.760 --> 0:52:43.640 Nowadays, I play a lot of club level doubles. 0:52:43.640 --> 0:52:44.719 It's called two against one. 0:52:44.800 --> 0:52:47.920 The difference between the college players like me and the 0:52:47.920 --> 0:52:50.520 players who are good but did not play college doubles 0:52:50.800 --> 0:52:53.680 is they don't poach. Yeah, poach, They just stand there. 0:52:53.719 --> 0:52:55.560 They just stand there and wait for you. Ye. 0:52:55.840 --> 0:52:58.520 Look overall, we appreciate you writing us. 0:52:58.800 --> 0:53:01.880 Yeah, those are great. I like getting questions from the audience. 0:53:02.120 --> 0:53:03.279 Yeah you do, I do? 0:53:03.400 --> 0:53:04.640 I know you do you? 0:53:04.800 --> 0:53:08.680 Yeah, I do too. That's why I put the tweet out. Anyway, 0:53:08.719 --> 0:53:13.600 we're going into Beijing starting. My interest level is two percent. 0:53:15.360 --> 0:53:18.799 I mean, I shouldn't say that I will watch more 0:53:18.840 --> 0:53:21.319 of Beijing. I did not watch any hardly anything of 0:53:21.400 --> 0:53:23.719 the last couple of weeks. I didn't barely watch Labor Cup. 0:53:23.800 --> 0:53:28.000 I was more interested in the WNBA postseason and the 0:53:28.040 --> 0:53:31.520 Solheim Cup and a lot of other women's sports. But 0:53:31.600 --> 0:53:33.400 I will get back into the tennis now that Beijing 0:53:33.480 --> 0:53:37.000 is starting. But it's just I don't know, just something 0:53:37.080 --> 0:53:39.600 about I mean, Serena used to shut down after the 0:53:39.680 --> 0:53:42.319 US Open, literally did not play after the US Open 0:53:42.400 --> 0:53:45.880 for many, many years, and you know she could afford 0:53:45.920 --> 0:53:48.200 to pay the fine. She didn't play the WTA finals. 0:53:48.239 --> 0:53:49.920 I wasn't okay with that. I wish she had done that, 0:53:50.040 --> 0:53:53.319 just because it's our biggest tournament WT finals. But those 0:53:53.320 --> 0:53:56.280 are going to be in Jedda this year in Saudi Arabia. 0:53:56.680 --> 0:53:59.560 So your thoughts on that, because you might. 0:53:59.480 --> 0:54:03.200 Go, I'm I'm taking the Billygian King line. 0:54:04.440 --> 0:54:07.040 Can't change it unless you're there. Yeah, and you really 0:54:07.040 --> 0:54:10.640 think that's gonna happen? Yeah, Okay, yeah I do. 0:54:10.960 --> 0:54:15.080 I'm I'm let's keep in mind my background is in politics. Yeah, Like, 0:54:15.160 --> 0:54:19.600 I don't believe systems are immutable, and I also think, 0:54:20.280 --> 0:54:22.520 you know, we live in a world where all of 0:54:22.560 --> 0:54:24.920 a sudden we can decide the borders of country is 0:54:25.000 --> 0:54:27.960 changing overnight. So yeah, I mean, am I incredibly optimistic 0:54:27.960 --> 0:54:31.399 as a gay person, as a lum of the Washington Post. No, 0:54:31.520 --> 0:54:33.600 there's there's some reservations I have, and I'm certainly not 0:54:33.600 --> 0:54:36.480 going to use this platform to defend. But i will say, like, 0:54:36.719 --> 0:54:37.279 if you. 0:54:37.239 --> 0:54:39.120 Go to Saudi Raybe, you're not taking Claire and I 0:54:39.160 --> 0:54:39.640 certainly not. 0:54:40.239 --> 0:54:42.640 That's said I'm gonna I'm I'm curious and I believe 0:54:42.680 --> 0:54:46.000 in like, okay, let's do some Let's do some engagement here. 0:54:46.760 --> 0:54:49.480 You know, I think if the tour went back to 0:54:49.560 --> 0:54:53.120 China post punk SHUEI, and it shouldn't always be on 0:54:53.160 --> 0:54:55.279 the women, by the way to lead the charge. The 0:54:55.320 --> 0:54:56.440 men have decided. 0:54:56.480 --> 0:54:57.400 Oh, the men have been going. 0:54:57.239 --> 0:55:00.560 There forever forever. So for me, like my my general 0:55:01.120 --> 0:55:03.719 approach at this point is let's say, let's let's have 0:55:03.800 --> 0:55:04.840 a conversation. 0:55:04.960 --> 0:55:07.120 And let's finish this pod off. You had a great 0:55:07.200 --> 0:55:08.520 article in the New York Times. 0:55:09.200 --> 0:55:11.960 What a fun article in the New York Times. Yeah, 0:55:12.480 --> 0:55:16.160 after a tumult a transformation at rack of magazine was 0:55:16.200 --> 0:55:20.000 the headline. And you know, having a business for almost 0:55:20.000 --> 0:55:23.120 a decade that we've been trying to you know, illuminate 0:55:23.120 --> 0:55:26.759 the stories, grow, do all this stuff, you know, sometimes 0:55:27.719 --> 0:55:29.480 you need to make some changes. And I think what 0:55:29.560 --> 0:55:32.440 I was most excited about is the fact that in 0:55:32.440 --> 0:55:34.600 the New York Times we had a chance to sort 0:55:34.640 --> 0:55:36.880 of talk about all the amazing things that this last 0:55:36.960 --> 0:55:41.360 year has brought, especially you know, making the magazine is amazing. 0:55:41.840 --> 0:55:46.359 Turning it from a sort of you know, hobbyist kind 0:55:46.400 --> 0:55:49.520 of setup where it wasn't paying for itself to something profitable. 0:55:49.520 --> 0:55:52.120 This year has been a tremendous effort with the best, 0:55:52.320 --> 0:55:55.479 most amazing writers, creators, editors, et cetera. 0:55:55.600 --> 0:55:58.160 Yeah, I liked the last line in the article where 0:55:58.160 --> 0:55:59.879 it's it do you remember it? 0:56:00.000 --> 0:56:01.920 I do, but I'll let you know you say it. 0:56:01.920 --> 0:56:03.800 It will be profitable for the first time. And I 0:56:03.800 --> 0:56:06.080 think for me really this year, and I think for 0:56:06.160 --> 0:56:09.080 me not coincidentally bringing on an all team of women, 0:56:09.480 --> 0:56:12.080 having the larger footprint where we get to do amazing 0:56:12.120 --> 0:56:16.400 things with brands and with events and with collabs. You know, 0:56:16.760 --> 0:56:18.840 for me, I think this is just a very modern 0:56:18.920 --> 0:56:20.440 way of doing media. Does it mean I'm going to 0:56:20.520 --> 0:56:23.360 be right all the time or make a thousand percent 0:56:23.400 --> 0:56:26.799 of my you know bets correctly? No, But I'm ambitious, 0:56:26.840 --> 0:56:29.359 and you know how society feels about ambitious women, which 0:56:29.400 --> 0:56:31.400 is I think speaks to a love of them, a 0:56:31.400 --> 0:56:35.239 little bit of the grist for the mill. So for me, 0:56:35.360 --> 0:56:37.160 the fact that we got to talk about all the 0:56:37.200 --> 0:56:40.200 amazing stuff we've done, including but not limited to trying 0:56:40.239 --> 0:56:42.879 to take over our first club space here in New York, 0:56:42.920 --> 0:56:44.799 which would have us running a tennis court. Will it happen. 0:56:44.840 --> 0:56:47.160 I don't know. Quick do I get priority on the court, 0:56:47.200 --> 0:56:48.480 you get free membership? Right? 0:56:48.840 --> 0:56:53.839 Okay? Well on that note, this the end story is, 0:56:53.920 --> 0:56:55.919 if you want to do a company, just have all women. 0:56:56.000 --> 0:56:56.160 Right. 0:56:58.080 --> 0:57:14.000 All right, guys, thanks for joining us. See you next week.