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Speaker 1: Hi, everybody, and welcome to the Renee Stubs Tennis podcast.

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Speaker 1: I am Renee Stubs and I am joined by the

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Speaker 1: ever present in my life in New York, Caitlin Thompson Present.

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Speaker 1: What's up, mate? We've lost petgo again. She's in Germany.

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Speaker 1: She was working the.

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Speaker 2: Labor Cup, hosting a gala.

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Speaker 1: Hosting a gala. She wrote a great substack on that,

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Speaker 1: being nervous and all that sort of stuff. But she's

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Speaker 1: our girl and we are missing her, but she shall

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Speaker 1: be back. You asked me before we sat down and

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Speaker 1: started looking at things to talk about. Do we have

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Speaker 1: to talk about the Labor Cup? I want to talk

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Speaker 1: about the Labor Cup, okay, because I want to know

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Speaker 1: if you gave up a living, breathing, dead breath about

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Speaker 1: watching Labor Cup. No, did you watch any of the

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Speaker 1: Labor Cup?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 1: Not that did I not one. I think I flipped

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Speaker 1: over like a couple of times when I was watching

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Speaker 1: something else on TV and I was like, oh, the

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Speaker 1: Labor Cups on a one who's playing? And then I'd

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Speaker 1: flick it over and I'd be like, I don't care.

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Speaker 2: I don't hate exhibitions. I'm not mad at exhibition matches.

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Speaker 2: I don't have like a B and my bonnet about like, well,

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Speaker 2: if it's not for points, it doesn't county. I don't

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Speaker 2: really care about that. I like uts. I think it's

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Speaker 2: kind of innovative, and I like the fact that it's

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Speaker 2: like a little silly, you know. I love the fact

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Speaker 2: that sometimes in the middle of no tennis we get

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Speaker 2: an exhibition here and there and random places preseason. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: for whatever reason, the Labor Cup has just never done

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Speaker 2: it for me. It just feels so contrived.

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Speaker 1: It's so.

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Speaker 2: Cheesey, like the branding is cheesy, it's so try hard

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Speaker 2: in a way that I just like, I'm sure the

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Speaker 2: tennis is good, and I like a lot of the players,

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Speaker 2: no disrespect whatsoever, get paid, get your bag, whatever. It's

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Speaker 2: just the whole thing feels like a man marketer from

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Speaker 2: the eighties. He is trying to convince you that, like

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Speaker 2: this isould be.

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Speaker 1: Interested in this, and I just can't. Well, they tried

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Speaker 1: to obviously do it, right, a cup style tennis for tennis, right,

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Speaker 1: That's that was the premise behind it, And the premise

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Speaker 1: behind it was you know, Ryder Cup is so popular.

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Speaker 2: Which is a golf competition where half if the teams

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Speaker 2: are from the women.

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Speaker 1: Just played the Solheim Cup, which got great crowds. It

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Speaker 1: was great fun. I watched it considerably over that the

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Speaker 1: weekend and the days that it was being played. I

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Speaker 1: know people are probably out there going lament the golf,

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Speaker 1: but it's like, no, it was actually really entertaining, really entertaining.

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Speaker 1: It comes down to the wire often Ryder Cups and

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Speaker 1: Solheim Cups, and they have like different like ways in

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Speaker 1: the days that they play the Solheim and Ryder Club

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Speaker 1: where they do see I told you I was going

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Speaker 1: to get a cough today where they do a four

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Speaker 1: ball best ball, And for those of you who don't

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Speaker 1: know golf, it's just like it's basically different ways to

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Speaker 1: play at the team events where they support each other. Right,

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Speaker 1: one hits an alternate ball, so you hit the drive

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Speaker 1: and then and then my partner hits the Yeah, exactly,

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Speaker 1: but with teammates. And then the next day it's best ball,

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Speaker 1: meaning you both hit off, you both score the hole,

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Speaker 1: and whoever's scores the best on that hole wins the hole.

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Speaker 2: Right pick the higher scoring between the two teams. So

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Speaker 2: that's cool.

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Speaker 1: It's always very like.

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Speaker 2: I like innovation in sports.

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Speaker 1: I like and that's what it is.

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Speaker 2: I like team sports. I like a lot of it.

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Speaker 1: And then on the last day to finish off my

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Speaker 1: Ryder Cup Soul home thing. On the last day, it's

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Speaker 1: one on one, right, So you've gone as a team

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Speaker 1: back and forth for three days and then the last

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Speaker 2: And who every side counts? Who picks like the best

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Speaker 1: Well, it's it's a scoring system to get into the team.

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Speaker 1: And then you get a couple of wild card picks

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Speaker 2: So the captain is involved the big choices big time.

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Speaker 1: They picked the team, They picked the players, and the

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Speaker 1: players are desperate to be on the teams. Like I'm

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Speaker 1: talking desperate. It is like you talk to a golfer,

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Speaker 1: they'll say one of my you know, the late great

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Speaker 1: want to win one more major, Stubsy, and I love

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Speaker 1: to make the Ryder Cup team again, Like it's so

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Speaker 1: important for these golfers. So we need to figure out

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Speaker 1: a way to make something very similar in tennis and

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Speaker 1: I did tweet out. I think I retweeted a video

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Speaker 1: that Nelly call a quarter put out in the first

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Speaker 1: hole where the you know, people were going crazy and

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Speaker 1: there was music played and it was such a fun atmosphere,

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Speaker 1: Like we need this in tennis. Well, meaning not every year.

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Speaker 1: We can't have Labor Cup. We talked about this last week,

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Speaker 1: Labor Cup, United Cup, Hopman Cup, Blah Blah Cup, a

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Speaker 1: Billy Olympian Cup. It's like it's too much in one year,

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Speaker 1: particularly during the Olympic years.

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Speaker 2: Well, when you were talking about how excited people were

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Speaker 2: to make the team, I mean that sounds like the

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Speaker 2: Olympics to me, which is like, you know, Daniel Collins

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Speaker 2: do that between March and you know whatever. The cut

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Speaker 2: to be on the Olympic team and getting the blazer

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Speaker 2: and doing the whole thing is cool, and so you know,

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Speaker 2: I don't in any way want to slag the idea

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Speaker 2: that we have. You know, old Guard, it was cool.

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Speaker 2: I saw some of the photos from Labor Cup. It

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Speaker 2: was cool. Seeingianik Noah, who's you know, obviously one of

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Speaker 2: him on the cover of the first issue. You know, Like,

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Speaker 2: but I will say the the I don't know. I

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Speaker 2: you know, Ron Popeel's Pocket Fishermen. It's like, who's this for?

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Speaker 2: I don't I don't want this.

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Speaker 1: So I think, you know, we talked about this last

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Speaker 1: week about and some people liked my idea, and you know,

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Speaker 1: there's a former Sam Stoza Playout Friend Play Eye coach

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Speaker 1: player applied with that said, oh, I never thought about

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Speaker 1: the idea of like shutting the season down after the

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Speaker 1: or you know, places that don't South Africa, Like, let's

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Speaker 1: take it to places on the road that don't get

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Speaker 1: to have the tour, you know. And if China wants

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Speaker 1: to put a shipload of money into tennis, as they.

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Speaker 2: Do, and now they have great players with four men,

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Speaker 2: have a huge tournament, a deep run this very week,

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Speaker 2: can you imagine.

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Speaker 1: China against like Australia and asked in a true World

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Speaker 1: Cup and I would argue as to say, as much

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Speaker 1: as you know how much we both love Billy Jean King,

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Speaker 1: have a team's tennis style way to do it and

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Speaker 1: the excitement in that playing to six is what you're saying.

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Speaker 2: Well true the World team from the seventies, eighties and

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Speaker 2: you know, in addition to these season changes, I think uh, shortening, condensing, consolidating. Yeah, like,

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Speaker 2: let's make room for this the unique thing that tennis

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Speaker 2: when the first mixed event was held, but like mixed

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Speaker 1: At the same time, World Team tennis.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, but it predated World Team Tennis.

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Speaker 1: Well, we have a mixed DOUBLET grant.

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Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. Like that alone was innovation in

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Speaker 2: you have an Olympic relay in swimming, you have an

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Speaker 2: Labor Cup. I'm not trying to shut on it. It sounded

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Speaker 2: like the Gala. I'm sure because Andrea I hosted. It

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Speaker 2: was funny, it was cool to see you know, a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but wouldn't it be great if you had Teblinka

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Speaker 2: Were to Well that's the album with the Labor Cups.

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Speaker 2: For me, it's like, well, yeah, so just a bunch

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Speaker 1: That nobody loves Rod Labor more than me. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he's the greatest guy in the history of the world.

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Speaker 1: He's the nicest man you'll ever meet in your life.

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Speaker 1: So it's certainly not a slide. I mean, and listen,

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Speaker 1: this is a Tennis Australia because those that own it,

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Speaker 1: teammate funded pretty USDA as well. So the Grand Slams

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Speaker 1: had a huge part in this Labor Cup. So guys,

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Speaker 1: why not get together and have a world true World

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Speaker 2: Well, I think you just said way because it involves

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Speaker 2: everyone getting together.

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Speaker 2: Something tennis has yet to grapple with. The if the

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Speaker 2: USTs well, that was another thing Australia. So everybody would

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Speaker 2: have to play nicely, which we are all waiting for

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Speaker 2: you guys to do. Imagine how great this board is

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Speaker 2: when we're all.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so listen. Another thing to also consider in this

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Speaker 1: Because obviously not everyone's going to make the World Cup

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Speaker 1: teams right for Australia, for US or for China, et cetera. Right,

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Speaker 1: So what are you going to do with the player

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Speaker 1: the world or three hundred in the world or even

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Speaker 1: You know, the Czech Republic could fit seventeen players into

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Speaker 1: like top twenty. You know, they could have two teams,

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Speaker 1: so you have the smaller tournament. Still you still have

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Speaker 1: the one twenty five's maybe two fifties. The WTA and

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Speaker 1: for the lesser players to play. I shouldn't say lesser players,

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Speaker 1: but lower ranked players to play. So you do need

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Speaker 1: move up and down the ladder. Well, you consider giving

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Speaker 2: So Juju Young just is cool. He is triple Z TRIPLESZ, TRIPLEZ.

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Speaker 1: And we do have to congratulate Eager because she passed

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Speaker 1: Have you ever seen anyone else walk out under rolling girls,

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Speaker 1: And I looked at this particular referee and I go ah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, and listen, I was the worst, Okay. I

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Speaker 2: think the blanket rule is don't throw anything that is

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Speaker 2: leaving the field of play. Yea. Otherwise yeah, yeah, you're done.

436
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Can you imagine it's just like, yeah, well they

437
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Speaker 1: just moved the head, so it's fine. Oh so you're

438
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Speaker 1: gonna wape for a racket actually hit someone in the

439
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Speaker 1: middle of the forehead and like cut their skin.

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Speaker 2: Well, this is the whole thing with Djokovic where everyone

441
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Speaker 2: was like, but it didn't hit him. It's like, but

442
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Speaker 2: he's been throwing no, no, no, no, not the umpire

443
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Speaker 2: who he did hit with the ball, but he chucked

444
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Speaker 2: a racket and oh yes, it nearly hit the umpire

445
00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:45,040
Speaker 2: and they were like ha ha ha, but it didn't

446
00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:46,879
Speaker 2: and it was like such a joke. It was taken

447
00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:49,520
Speaker 2: not seriously at all by anybody. And it's like no

448
00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:53,720
Speaker 2: because this one fleet footed linesman like jumped out of

449
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Speaker 2: the way. Yeah, like is that going to be the standard? Yeah,

450
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Speaker 2: Like you've seen some of the lines of people at

451
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Speaker 2: these tournaments. I mean obviously lines people are generally going away,

452
00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:01,760
Speaker 2: but like there's lots of people on the court. There's

453
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Speaker 2: security people, there's spall kids, there's are we all supposed

454
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Speaker 2: to like make them fly, you know, watch out for

455
00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:08,960
Speaker 2: flying objects that could potentially hurt them. Yeah, while they're

456
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Speaker 2: trying to do their jobs. This is a workplace.

457
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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's we need to we need to crack down

458
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Speaker 1: on that stuff. I love that.

459
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Speaker 2: I like when we get like scolding and moralized.

460
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Speaker 1: Yes, especially me, who's such a cycle on the court.

461
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Speaker 1: I love it. I know that you're a little depressed

462
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Speaker 1: coming in here today because it's fall. Oh my god, see,

463
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Speaker 1: I know you so well. I walked out of my

464
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Speaker 1: apartment today and it was cold, and I went, oh,

465
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Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, Caitlin's gonna hate. It's gonna hate today.

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to I'm trying to practice manifestation of positivity. Yeah,

467
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Speaker 2: I'm trying to become a fall person. All right, Great

468
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Speaker 2: now because also I'm going to port a Fino in

469
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Speaker 2: two weeks, so I don't have to wait.

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Speaker 1: I didn't know that.

471
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going to port Afino in two weeks to

472
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Speaker 2: do a big project for Racket. We're going to do

473
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Speaker 2: a giant.

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Speaker 1: Couldn't you have done that around the Billy Jean Kinkop

475
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Speaker 1: so I could come.

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Speaker 2: There's a chance that we made us to be doing

477
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Speaker 2: a project in Spain. Let's see.

478
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Speaker 1: Okay, Well, you can let me know when we're not

479
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Speaker 1: doing this podcast.

480
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Speaker 2: But I hopefully it'll also be warm and coastal Italy.

481
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Speaker 1: I know everyone wants to hit tennis stuff, but I

482
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Speaker 1: just want to update everyone on the fact that the

483
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Speaker 1: New York Liberty won. They're opening a playoff game yesterday

484
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Speaker 1: and I am a huge WNBA fan. I freaking love

485
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Speaker 1: watching women's basketball, and I'll tell you why. As a

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Speaker 1: tennis player. Yes, I think tennis is arguably the hardest

487
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Speaker 1: sport in the world to play, just physically mentally. I

488
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Speaker 1: mean it matches out matches in Asia this last week

489
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Speaker 1: in the women's matches, they were going over four hours, brutal.

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Speaker 2: And also it was like one hundred percent of humanity

491
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Speaker 2: and exprutal.

492
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Speaker 1: Sigamund just leves playing over four hours, and cats Akina

493
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Speaker 1: and all these guys. But you know, I watched the

494
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Speaker 1: physicality of women's basketball basketball in general, but women's basketball.

495
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Speaker 1: You know why they wear sleeves because they get cut

496
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Speaker 1: all the time with their nails and people banging. Notice

497
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Speaker 1: how basketball players wear.

498
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Speaker 2: Sleep I thought that was for like muscle.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, it's to stop them from bleeding literally because

500
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Speaker 1: they get cut. Because even if you have short nails

501
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Speaker 1: and you you know, your hand comes down. The bruising

502
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Speaker 1: on w NBA players just look at their arms when

503
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Speaker 1: they go and play. They're bruised out the wazoo because

504
00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:17,560
Speaker 1: they're getting beat up like hell under it. So for

505
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Speaker 1: you guys not watching, turn on ESPN because ESPN has

506
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Speaker 1: all the playoffs and the games yesterday were great. And

507
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Speaker 1: your son and your wife Claire went to the game.

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Speaker 2: They did thanks to you.

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Speaker 1: Never seen Peter your son looking more excited ever. So

510
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Speaker 1: it's just a.

511
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Speaker 2: Great family experience. I love he apparently got on the

512
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Speaker 2: jumbo tround. I was weaving his flag.

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. It was great.

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Speaker 2: Listen, I'm as somebody who doesn't like the sport of basketball.

515
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Speaker 2: I support good for you, all right. We got a

516
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Speaker 2: lot of questions.

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Speaker 1: Of course. Naomi Osaka is present with Patrick Moritaglu in Asia.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of interesting comments coming on that situation.

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Speaker 1: We will see where it turns out. And oft when

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Speaker 1: you start working with a player and you're new, they

521
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,440
Speaker 1: do have good results early on because they're like, they

522
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Speaker 1: feel fresh, they feel like they get enthusiastic about doing stuff,

523
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Speaker 1: and they get a new voice in their head. And

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Speaker 1: we've seen it happen over the last year with some

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Speaker 1: players with new coaches and bang they have great results

526
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Speaker 1: and then it slowly fizzles out because you know relationships, right,

527
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Speaker 1: it's like being in a relationship having coached player. So

528
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Speaker 1: see how long it lasts. And we'll see if he

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Speaker 1: can turn her around. But certainly in.

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Speaker 2: Your view as a coach, what would you suggest to Naomi,

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Speaker 2: what's the solution here? Well, I mean, look, she's moving better.

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Speaker 2: She started the year not moving great. She ended at

533
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Speaker 2: least in the last couple of tournaments moving better. Her

534
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Speaker 2: groundstrokes were as fearsome as ever. She just when she's

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Speaker 2: what do you think she's actually like it needs to

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Speaker 2: be addressed here.

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Speaker 1: Just you know, she just needs to cut down our

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Speaker 1: enforced errors. Like this is a woman that can hit

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Speaker 1: a winner from anywhere. And I think once she gets

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Speaker 1: into that rhythm of not missing, and when she was

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Speaker 1: at her very best, she could make five, six, seven

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Speaker 1: balls and then go bomb.

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Speaker 2: But can you coach somebody to be like, hey, make

544
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Speaker 2: less error?

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Speaker 1: You can tell them to rather than try that.

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Speaker 2: I would like that advice, but I don't. But there's

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Speaker 2: nothing more to it than that.

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Speaker 1: Well, you have to practice it first of all. So

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Speaker 1: it comes in the form of discipline on the practice court.

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Speaker 1: It comes in, you know, the discipline to not get

551
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Speaker 1: upset at yourself on the practice court, making sure your

552
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Speaker 1: players not getting down about stuff that they're doing that

553
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Speaker 1: you want them to do. Let's just say you know,

554
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Speaker 1: when you're running for a fourhander, you're running for a backhand.

555
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Speaker 1: The majority of players, as you'll see, will hit it

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Speaker 1: back cross court. It's over the lower part of the

557
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Speaker 1: debt percent higher percentage, more room to hit the ball,

558
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Speaker 1: and you would then force your opponent to make a

559
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Speaker 1: choice do I go line, do I change the direction

560
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Speaker 1: of the ball, or do I go back cross court

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Speaker 1: as well. Now, most players, when you them hit a

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Speaker 1: ball on the run cross court, often they would just

563
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Speaker 1: sort of stand in that area because they know, oh,

564
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Speaker 1: you want to go line, go for it. So most

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Speaker 1: players will go cross It's why you see these cross

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Speaker 1: court rallies, cross court rallies, cross cross and then finally

567
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Speaker 1: someone goes, fay, I'm going line, you know, and they

568
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:19,720
Speaker 1: go for it. Right now, they might hit a great shot.

569
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Speaker 1: Now your opponent is really moving. Now you can, you know,

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Speaker 1: get up to the ball hopefully don't hit to go anyway.

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Speaker 1: The reason I'm telling you that is it's just simplicity, right.

572
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Speaker 1: Tennis is really quite simple in a lot of ways.

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Speaker 1: It's how many more balls can I make than you

574
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Speaker 1: in the court, and my depth of shot is going

575
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Speaker 1: to force you to have to go cross court and

576
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Speaker 1: I'm going to stand here and wait for my short ball,

577
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Speaker 1: and so it's length on ball, it's length length in

578
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Speaker 1: the court. It's not going for the sideline all the time.

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Speaker 1: She has the power to be able to hit through someone,

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Speaker 1: even if it's you know, three feet from the baseline,

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Speaker 1: maybe two feet from the base line and three feet

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Speaker 1: from the sideline. So I would just be practicing discipline

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Speaker 1: with her, you know, like make every one of these balls.

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Speaker 1: And then it's sort of like how Coco played last year,

585
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Speaker 1: where she didn't make an error and then she waited,

586
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:06,199
Speaker 1: she didn't make an err on a forehand, then she

587
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,200
Speaker 1: waited for the back ends, and then you know, after

588
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 1: five or six shots, players get panicky and they don't

589
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Speaker 1: know where to go. Where do I go? On Coco,

590
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Speaker 1: That's how it was last year, and that's how Naomi

591
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:18,639
Speaker 1: has to sort of set up her way of playing

592
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Speaker 1: as well, Shit, where do I go? Because I know

593
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Speaker 1: if I hit anything short, She's going to crush me.

594
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,359
Speaker 1: So it's a matter of discipline on the practice court,

595
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Speaker 1: on the match courts, and clearly making her serve the

596
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:33,400
Speaker 1: weapon that it is and not losing serve. I would

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Speaker 1: focus on two things with her control your service games

598
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Speaker 1: and cut down your unforced eras. Go for a little

599
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Speaker 1: more percentage, but still go for it, but just bring

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Speaker 1: the margins in a little bit. It's really simple with her.

601
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Speaker 1: And then the longer points she plays Caitlin, the more

602
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Speaker 1: fits you get, the faster she gets.

603
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Speaker 2: The more confident she gets totally, and those become like virtuous.

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Speaker 1: She doesn't need it mentally to be told you can

605
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Speaker 1: win a Grand Slam. No, no, no, yeah, which is a

606
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 1: big step, right, just not everybody has that. Now has

607
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Speaker 1: the belief, oh I made a final.

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Speaker 2: She played well in a finale.

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Speaker 1: I can win one. So now the mental side for

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Speaker 1: Jessica has shifted a lot. Right now, it's well, she's

611
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 1: not worrying about quarters anymore or even semis that that

612
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,359
Speaker 1: is broken. She never has to think about that ever again.

613
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Speaker 1: Can I Yes, she knows I can, right, So that's done.

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00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:22,959
Speaker 1: So that's that you know, you ticked lists right when

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00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 1: you're when you're coaching a player and you say, do

616
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 1: you think you can make a SENTI? Well I think

617
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Speaker 1: so what let's talk about this, right, Let's really why

618
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:32,879
Speaker 1: can't you? So that's when you've got to go through

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Speaker 1: all the mental.

620
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Speaker 2: Stuff as a coach and is Patrick the going to

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Speaker 2: do this?

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Speaker 1: Only time will tell, Caitlin, Only time work will tell.

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Speaker 2: One thing that we were complimented for but also ripped

624
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 2: a little was that we did not talk about Brad

625
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Speaker 2: and oh Coco split because are coaching?

626
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 1: Well, because it hadn't happened when we spoke.

627
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 2: Last episode had predated the news. It seemed pretty inevitable. Yes,

628
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 2: but also, you don't know until you know. You don't

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Speaker 2: know until you know, and I wonder, you know, we've

630
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 2: talked at length about what Coco should be doing. I

631
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Speaker 2: hope she does what she was doing last year that

632
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 2: was so effective. You know, I think pretty much everyone

633
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 2: in the sport, pretty much everyone watching the sport thinks

634
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 2: the sport is better with Coco going deep, contending, playing

635
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 2: great and not looking.

636
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 1: Listen, tell my ESPN executive producers that absolutely they want

637
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 1: Coco deep. For sure brings great numbers for TV.

638
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, and she's bringing fanship and enthusiasm and people are

639
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 2: you know, really really really excited when she's playing.

640
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 1: Well, let's get to these questions then, for everybody, thank

641
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 1: you for writing in so yeah, this is so fun,

642
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 1: I love it. Yeah. Yeah, So let's start speaking of

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00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 1: Joe Yesharoff, I hope I said that right enough. I

644
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:59,719
Speaker 1: didn't Palajz. You told views exactly what Coco was doing

645
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 1: wrong on her serve in front of Brad, which was awesome.

646
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 1: By the way, Why don't you become her next coach? Well, Joe,

647
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 1: I don't. I'm just.

648
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 2: An accident.

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Speaker 1: I actually hadn't read that. I mean, I'd sort of

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Speaker 1: breeze through them, but no, I wanted to answer them

651
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Speaker 1: alive on air because I don't make those decisions, Joe.

652
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 1: Those decisions with any coaching situation comes from the agent

653
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Speaker 1: in her. In respect to Coco, I would imagine her agents,

654
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Speaker 1: her parents, and then Coco and the three of those

655
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Speaker 1: will talk amongst themselves. I'm sure would.

656
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Speaker 2: You do it?

657
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Speaker 1: Oh, of course I would do it. Yeah, I mean

658
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Speaker 1: I wouldn't say no to an opportunity working with a

659
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Speaker 1: great player. There's no way. Of course I would do it.

660
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Speaker 1: But that's not a decision for me to make. And

661
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 1: I love Coco. I think she's an incredible kid. And

662
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Speaker 1: I can say kid because she's like more than half

663
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Speaker 1: my age, a lot more than half my age. And

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Speaker 1: I think she's an incredibly hard worker. I respect the

665
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Speaker 1: heck out of her, and she has only ever been

666
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Speaker 1: an amazing person to be around.

667
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's a good human.

668
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 1: She responds to you, she looks you in the eye.

669
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Speaker 1: I do see she's a lot more stressed on the

670
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Speaker 1: court over the last twelve months. I don't know the

671
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 1: answer to that. I don't know why. I think a

672
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Speaker 1: lot of it has to do with just not having

673
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Speaker 1: this success that she wanted to have immediately after winning

674
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Speaker 1: the US Open. So it's a lot on her shoulders.

675
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Speaker 1: But look, I just hope whoever she chooses, here's a

676
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Speaker 1: tremendous amount of experience, and you know it can work

677
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Speaker 1: on the little technical flaws. She has to have someone

678
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 1: like that to work on those technical floors and not

679
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Speaker 1: be afraid to work on those technical flaws, you know.

680
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 1: You know, even with my time with Carolina Plishkova, one

681
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Speaker 1: of the first things I did was say, your serf

682
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 1: can be way better, and everyone probably looked at me like, well,

683
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Speaker 1: she's like aces, she's the ace queen. Yeah, well there

684
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Speaker 1: are technical flaws still wrong with her surf, for example,

685
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Speaker 1: that you know, you've got to be willing to go

686
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 1: in there and say I don't need this job. But

687
00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 1: I want this job and I want to help you,

688
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 1: And those are the two things a lot coaches don't do.

689
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 1: They go and say, can you pay my rent for me?

690
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 1: That's true? Yeah, you know?

691
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 2: All right?

692
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 1: Next? All right? Were you oh gosh, it's just one

693
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Speaker 1: after the other. Were you surprised at Cocoa and Brad

694
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 1: parted ways? And who do you think her next coach

695
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 1: will be? Julia Eager? I don't know, and I think

696
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 1: we kind of sort of answered that question. Okay, Ron buckmele,

697
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 1: you'll like this one. Should real tennis fans care about

698
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 1: Labor Cup or only when Kully toss plays it?

699
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 2: I mean I care about Corolitos plenty too, in any context.

700
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Speaker 2: I guess it just wasn't enough to get me to

701
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 2: watch the Laver Cup. Should real tennis flans? I think

702
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 2: real tennis fans can define themselves however they want. Real

703
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 2: tennis fans can watch their neighborhood, you know, Ladder, They

704
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 2: can what a local club, the high school team. I

705
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Speaker 2: think they can do whatever they want. I think for

706
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Speaker 2: me to take the Labor Cup seriously, I would like

707
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Speaker 2: for it to include women, and I would like for

708
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Speaker 2: it to be a little bit more thoughtful about where

709
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Speaker 2: it travels peror our conversation earlier exactly, Okay, James. Also

710
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Speaker 2: the law and Order font. I just can't get over this.

711
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 2: It looks like a guy from Ohio who's an agent,

712
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Speaker 2: had the entire hand and doing all of this, and

713
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Speaker 2: I just the taste level is so bad. I'm not

714
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Speaker 2: talking about anyone in particular.

715
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Speaker 1: Go on, Okay, good j Miller delighted with the WTA

716
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 1: Tour players, a little worried about today's all court game though,

717
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 1: and how tennis always a gladiator sport, now daily battle

718
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 1: of attrition with huge impact on players time on court injuries,

719
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Speaker 1: when everyone becomes an adule to win a point. We

720
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Speaker 1: have a problem.

721
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Speaker 2: She's talking about like counterpunching grind she.

722
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Speaker 1: Or a he. It's Miller, Miller o Popolis and it's

723
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Speaker 1: a photo of a cat. A cat lady could be

724
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Speaker 1: a cat lady, well, a cat and gentlemen, oh no,

725
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Speaker 1: it's not a cat. It's a dog. My apologies. I

726
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Speaker 1: wasn't zooming in.

727
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Speaker 2: We don't know anything about you, Miller. Ye will answer

728
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Speaker 2: your question.

729
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Speaker 1: I will say I agree with you. And one of

730
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Speaker 1: the things that I did say number of years ago

731
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Speaker 1: was the next great tennis player, particularly on the men's side,

732
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Speaker 1: and I would argue to say that this could be

733
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Speaker 1: also the women's side has to be better at coming

734
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Speaker 1: forward into the net and improve on the volleys and

735
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 1: have a shot that's a little different. And you know,

736
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Speaker 1: I got a bit of shit a couple of weeks

737
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 1: ago shocker from Shocker fans about my comments about Carlos

738
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Speaker 1: bringing the drop shot in right, and in my opinion,

739
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Speaker 1: no one has used that shot more than him. Ever, Yeah,

740
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Speaker 1: he is in response right in tennis, particularly off the

741
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Speaker 1: forehand right. And then I got he didn't invent the

742
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 1: drop shot. I'm like, you, calm down, everybody. I know

743
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 1: the drop shots. Guess what I used to play, and

744
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 1: guess what I used to hit a drop shot. I

745
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 1: know that the drop shot has existed in tennis. But

746
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 1: his forehand drop shot is a shot we've never seen.

747
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Speaker 2: It's incredibly well disguised. He hits it from anywhere, and

748
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 2: he executes it flawlessly almost all the time. Yes, it's insane,

749
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Speaker 2: So it's truly a weapon.

750
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 1: It's truly a weapon. And when you guys, guys standing

751
00:34:58,000 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 1: one hundred feet behind the baseline, and some of these

752
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,879
Speaker 1: when as well, like in egashion tech players that play

753
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:05,720
Speaker 1: way back. If you can implement a fourhand, particularly fourhand

754
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 1: drop shot, a lot of the women do it off

755
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,479
Speaker 1: the back end. Donnovekich hits that drop shot so well.

756
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 1: On I think on Zubur brought in the drop shot

757
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 1: to women's tennis a lot more. And you know, it's

758
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Speaker 1: all we could talk about. It's all people can talk about.

759
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 1: So it's like, so my my point in telling you

760
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 1: this is the next great player outside of the Sabalancas

761
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 1: and all this, they will have an extra shot that

762
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Speaker 1: goes whoa finally, you know, and Mukhova, for.

763
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Speaker 2: Example, is a true would talk about it.

764
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 1: She's a true all court player and maybe one shot

765
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 1: she can implement is the drop shot herself. But she

766
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 1: has every shot in the book. So Fali's comes in, so.

767
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Speaker 2: I actually think we're in the midst of seeing this happen.

768
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 2: I think between a curlytos between Arena Sebleka. Everyone talks

769
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Speaker 2: about how fast her groundstrokes are and how huge are

770
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Speaker 2: fourhand is, but she moves forward, she hits great valley.

771
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Speaker 2: She's won several slams in doubles. Like, to me, that

772
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 2: is so exciting because it's not just power baseline tennis.

773
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Speaker 2: It's really it's really varietive and creative, and I know it,

774
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Speaker 2: and I think you're right. I'd love to see more

775
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,800
Speaker 2: of it. And Mukhova being healthy and making a strong

776
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Speaker 2: showing this year I think shows a lot of people like, oh,

777
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Speaker 2: this is we have a style of tennis we can

778
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Speaker 2: get excited about that we haven't seen so much of.

779
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it brings back a little bit of ash

780
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:22,880
Speaker 1: Barty type that we loved to watch obviously. Okay, monkey Bread,

781
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Speaker 1: I'd like to know how much during a match are

782
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Speaker 1: players thinking, if I win this match, it's twenty five

783
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 1: thousand dollars more in prize money. How much do you

784
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 1: think players think about things like this?

785
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:35,359
Speaker 2: I think it depends on player. Right.

786
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 1: You've also written something else. I'm curious why the announcers

787
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Speaker 1: never mentioned maybe this stuff. I cut the end of

788
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Speaker 1: that question off, but oh no, there it is. I'm

789
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,800
Speaker 1: also curious why the announcers never mentioned prize money. Fritz

790
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Speaker 1: Foux over Foe was an extra five hundred k I've

791
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Speaker 1: heard them mention, Okay, so I can tell you this. Yeah,

792
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 1: we always mentioned that as announcers, the money. But you know,

793
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Speaker 1: we don't want to get to caught in the weeds

794
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Speaker 1: with that, because honestly, is not important. I will say

795
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Speaker 1: as a player, when I got a little bit older

796
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Speaker 1: and I knew that my time was running out of

797
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 1: how big a check can I make as a tennis player?

798
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Speaker 1: Because you know, arguably I'll never make checks like that

799
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Speaker 1: ever again. You know, the potential of making a check

800
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Speaker 1: for you know, a couple of hundred thousand dollars or

801
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:19,240
Speaker 1: something like that. It's podcast money, Yeah, it's podcast money.

802
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 1: But so I started thinking about a little bit more

803
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:24,839
Speaker 1: at the end of my career, think is shit, if

804
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 1: we won this tournaments, you know, one hundred and fifty thousand,

805
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 1: like that's really great. But honestly, it's not really what

806
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 1: motivates any tennis player. I think winning and losing is

807
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 1: more important. Like winning is more important. And then you

808
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:40,360
Speaker 1: think about what it can bring for you ranking points wise,

809
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 1: and then inevitably you're always thinking about money in a way,

810
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 1: but you're not really on the court thinking, oh, this

811
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Speaker 1: is worth another twenty thousand to me. I mean it

812
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 1: might cross your mind.

813
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 2: I mean I feel like Sloan Stephens sort of famously

814
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 2: kind of owns that yeah, which I kind of really

815
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Speaker 2: love about her. Yeah, Like I'm not sure she's thinking

816
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:58,879
Speaker 2: about it every match, but definitely she's like chit ching

817
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:00,879
Speaker 2: and maybe, like.

818
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Speaker 1: I think there are a lot of players that come

819
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Speaker 1: from very poor backgrounds.

820
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Speaker 2: The lines evens coming from.

821
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Speaker 1: No, I think she comes from a middle class family.

822
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Speaker 1: But but it's arguably you talking players from Ukraine, from

823
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Speaker 1: Russia or from wherever they're poor.

824
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Speaker 2: There's absolutely if you're getting into tournaments about its getting

825
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Speaker 2: your teeth and there's a difference between you know, your

826
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Speaker 2: entire year's earnings on the line. Like sure, yeah, I

827
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Speaker 2: think you're right. It doesn't seem I.

828
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Speaker 1: Mean when you're talking about it for a Sinner and

829
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Speaker 1: Djokovic and you know, even Fritz and Foe and all

830
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Speaker 1: these guys, they're not thinking, oh god, this is worth

831
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Speaker 1: another hundred K to me. No, Okay, players Jpeg hits flat.

832
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Speaker 1: That's a connotation for it, Jessica pol players who hit

833
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Speaker 1: super flat or with a lot of spin. I Epergula

834
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Speaker 1: who hits flat? Can she easily play with more shape

835
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Speaker 1: if needed? Not? Really, Yes, she can, but that's not

836
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Speaker 1: her game. The way she hits the ball and the

837
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Speaker 1: way her sort of her wrist action is and all

838
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 1: that sort of stuff. She's not about to change that now.

839
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:09,279
Speaker 1: Now I know that there's times that she probably has

840
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:11,399
Speaker 1: put more spin on the ball, and can You can

841
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 1: put more spin on the ball as a player, but

842
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:15,839
Speaker 1: it's not really your nature to go to and it's

843
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:17,800
Speaker 1: not natural for you. Then it becomes a bit harder.

844
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Speaker 1: It's certainly something to work on because it can be

845
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 1: the difference making against a certain player. You want to

846
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:24,720
Speaker 1: get the ball out of the hitting zone for example.

847
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:28,280
Speaker 1: For example, hitting spin against jask Is is a good idea.

848
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 1: You want to try and get it above her shoulders

849
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 1: because if you don't, you're in all sorts of trouble

850
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 1: because she hits all so well. She's like a five

851
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 1: foot version five foot four. I don't want to make

852
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,360
Speaker 1: it shorter than she is. She's I think six or

853
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 1: five six, not five seven, maybe five six. Listen, she's

854
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 1: not I'm not a sabalanca. She's not sabal ancha. I

855
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 1: was going to compare her to her way she plays

856
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:54,319
Speaker 1: is like a five foot six or seven version of

857
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Speaker 1: Lindsay Davenport.

858
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Speaker 2: She's flattening and hard.

859
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Speaker 1: It doesn't look like they're hitting the ball hard, but

860
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 1: my god, the ball comes flying off her racket and

861
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:07,320
Speaker 1: it is really hard to control. Okay, Jay Miller again,

862
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Speaker 1: if a second question is possible, Yeah, it is, because

863
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Speaker 1: I'm already READI it. Still having a really hard time

864
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:15,720
Speaker 1: seeing tennis with betting outfits as major tour sponsors, slippery

865
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 1: slope players harassed by gamblers is unacceptable. Are the tours

866
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 1: going to do anything on this or even give the

867
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:27,240
Speaker 1: players a percent of sponsorship? Well, great question. I always

868
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 1: think that's funny too, because I remember a couple of

869
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 1: years ago they did such a big investigation into players

870
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:34,799
Speaker 1: gam I know, are they throwing matches and are their

871
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:36,720
Speaker 1: players out there doing Yes, of course there are players

872
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:39,720
Speaker 1: doing it, but they're in the small, lower level tournaments

873
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 1: like five thousands in Brazil. Those are the players that

874
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 1: are tanking matches to make money. Need the money from

875
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 1: the gambling syndicates. So if you want to bet on

876
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 1: a fifty thousand or five thousand tournament or ten thousand

877
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 1: k tournament in Brazil and your player doesn't win, suck

878
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 1: on it, okay, because if you want to riding them

879
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 1: on social media telling them you couldn't hold serve and

880
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 1: why would you double fault this happens all the time

881
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 1: to players, it happens, they get abused non stop, and

882
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 1: they're all gamblers. So but the Australian Open, I remember

883
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 1: they had a sponsorship of a gambling company on their

884
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 1: you know, sponsorship behind the court and everything, and everyone

885
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 1: was up in arms. How can you do that? You're

886
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 1: doing an investigation and a gambling and tennis and you've

887
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 1: got a gambling sponsorship. I'm like, and gambling has been

888
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 1: a part of every single Grand Slam forever. They just

889
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 1: don't promote it, but they're always been a part of it.

890
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 1: And I have no problem with a gambling company sponsoring

891
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 1: a tennis tournament or a sporting event because people gamble

892
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 1: on sports. It's been happening in Australia for one hundred

893
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:48,840
Speaker 1: billion years, in the UK and Europe, and finally the

894
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 1: US is finally like, oh we can make money on this.

895
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 1: I mean, it's unbelievable to me that US has taken

896
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:57,240
Speaker 1: so long to have the Draft Kings and you know, ESPN,

897
00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:59,799
Speaker 1: Bet and all these companies, because it happens all the

898
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:05,799
Speaker 1: time and it's a great It makes a lot of money. Now,

899
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 1: if you want to be stupid enough to throw your

900
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 1: money down on tennis events, and you apply losers if

901
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 1: you feel the need to harass them, you're a fucking loser.

902
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 2: Sorry, I do think what's your thought on this? Well,

903
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:20,799
Speaker 2: I sort of think of it from a platforming perspective,

904
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 2: which is kind of similar to the Twitter conversation we

905
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 2: had the other day where people are like, oh, do

906
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 2: you you know Twitter? And what do you think about

907
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 2: And it's like, I don't think anything about Twitter. Twitter

908
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 2: doesn't matter anymore. It doesn't send traffic to media people,

909
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:37,360
Speaker 2: it doesn't. It's not where the conversation is. It's a

910
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 2: bunch of Reddit virgins.

911
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 1: It's gross.

912
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:45,839
Speaker 2: And I think very similarly when you think about platforms,

913
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 2: in no way, shape or form should any of the

914
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 2: players be subjected to harass, right, and so what I'm

915
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 2: told to die? Yeah, they're told way worse things than

916
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 2: to die. So, without getting into but actually, Caroline Garcia's

917
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:05,359
Speaker 2: podcast Tennis Insider has had a number of conversations about

918
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:07,359
Speaker 2: this where players are very candid about talking about it.

919
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 2: She herself, yeah, put stuff on their for a long time,

920
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 2: but I really applaud her for kind of taking it

921
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 2: on pretty regularly. So to me, it's a platform issue.

922
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:22,840
Speaker 2: If you are a draft Kings or a FanDuel member

923
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 2: or executive and you see players or your betters being

924
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 2: reported for harassment, kick them off the platform. Will they

925
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 2: create another account under another name. Maybe, But the idea

926
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 2: is that it's not platforming hate speech and the sooner

927
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 2: you police that. If you're a platform, then you're a publisher.

928
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 2: And that's a distinction that almost nobody is going to

929
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,759
Speaker 2: appreciate or get. But as a media person, if you're

930
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 2: platforming people, meaning giving them the chance to speak, you

931
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 2: are actually a publisher and you're bound by the laws

932
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 2: of the land, which in this case indicate hate speech.

933
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,799
Speaker 2: And going after players with hate speech means not only

934
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:01,400
Speaker 2: are you liable, but also you need to be the deplatform.

935
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:04,840
Speaker 1: And anyone who writes to a player an abusive message

936
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 1: and it's daily, I just think you really should get

937
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 1: a life.

938
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 2: And you know, well, they don't have life. This is

939
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 2: their whole thing. So I would just say.

940
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:23,799
Speaker 1: Abuse, it's so bad. It's like, what is that going

941
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 1: to do. It's not going to help you later on.

942
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:29,360
Speaker 1: And I hope anyone who writes an abusive tweet or

943
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:32,759
Speaker 1: a text or anything to anyone's Instagram or social I

944
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 1: hope you lose every bit of your money, all of it.

945
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 2: Well, they probably are good.

946
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:41,239
Speaker 1: Okay, let's get to doctor Sook. It's a good name.

947
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:45,760
Speaker 1: Holgas started annoying but strong, now less annoying, but losing

948
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 1: was his immature swagger, key to his game. He has

949
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 1: three questions, so we'll answer that one first. I don't know.

950
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 1: I think that he's matured a little bit, and I

951
00:44:56,480 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 1: think as we've noted mostly on this pod, and I

952
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:03,400
Speaker 1: said some controversial things about whole Garuno, but I actually

953
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 1: like the kid a lot, and I think that time

954
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:09,240
Speaker 1: will tell. I think he's got a few technical flaws

955
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 1: as well. The forehands a little bit funky. But I

956
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:14,840
Speaker 1: think he's going to be fine. He's going to mature.

957
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:16,879
Speaker 1: I think he's going to get better with age.

958
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 2: He is.

959
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 1: He's a good all court player, and I think he's

960
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 1: going to mature and get older. I think he had

961
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 1: a lot of pressure on his shoulders early on when

962
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:24,720
Speaker 1: he came out and had such great success.

963
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 2: So well, he came up with curlyitos, and I feel

964
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 2: like the two of them were sort of hailed as

965
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 2: a very section and when one of them takes off

966
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 2: the other one doesn't to the same hates. Yeah, it

967
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 2: becomes a lot of pressure. Now. I found him really

968
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:39,799
Speaker 2: introspective and thoughtful in his the Netflix episode about him,

969
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 2: and I thought, oh, he's cocky, but in a way

970
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:45,400
Speaker 2: that's like sort of a little self aware. Yeah, and

971
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 2: it made me like him a lot more. Yeah.

972
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 1: And I think when he goes and has Twitter rants

973
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 1: with people that give him shit, I'm like, oh, I

974
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:54,879
Speaker 1: feel bad because he's like obviously is very sensitive. Yeah,

975
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 1: like him anyway, and I do like it.

976
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 2: I'm written for him.

977
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 1: Okay, tiafa dump Wayne, but seems to have more problems

978
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 1: bless with physical and technical game. Is he Is he

979
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 1: too muscle bound? Same? Doctor Sook said that No, he's

980
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 1: definitely not too muscle bound. He sweats a lot. He

981
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 1: ran out of gas against Taylor because arguably Taylor just

982
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:16,799
Speaker 1: has a little bit more firepower, particularly on the serve. Well,

983
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 1: now Francis has a great serve. I just think he

984
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 1: talked about being very nervous. He was very close to

985
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:25,319
Speaker 1: winning that match in four sets. Taylor was, you know,

986
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:29,399
Speaker 1: looking a bit down himself. But I give Taylor older

987
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 1: credit for winning that match, And no, I don't think so.

988
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:33,839
Speaker 1: I think Look, Francis is always going to have these

989
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:36,839
Speaker 1: funky swings. I mean, self taught tennis player essentially, which

990
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 1: is one of the greatest stories in tennis. He'll be fine,

991
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 1: don't worry about it. Mukhova is great. But do Checks

992
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 1: have mental wobble? What that is the third question from

993
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 1: doctor Zok, So enough from you, doctor Suk.

994
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 2: No, she doesn't think. Yeah, the answer is no.

995
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 1: I think. Look, I think that she definitely could be

996
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:54,719
Speaker 1: mentally a little bit stronger. I think she's starting to

997
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:56,880
Speaker 1: hopefully believe in herself. But this is a woman that

998
00:46:56,960 --> 00:47:00,840
Speaker 1: just come back from a major, major, major risk surgery.

999
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:04,839
Speaker 2: And has had two Grand Slam semifinals and a final year.

1000
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 2: I don't think the question is about the Checks. I

1001
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:08,439
Speaker 2: mean I think if you want to look at the Checks,

1002
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:10,400
Speaker 2: like are the Checks the most mentally strong people in

1003
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 2: the history of tennis? Maybe maybe listen between Lendell and Martina, like,

1004
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 2: come on, the tradition is strong. I think it's more

1005
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 2: a Mukova specific back. Well, it's also like this is

1006
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 2: how long this has been a dynasty, and they're really

1007
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 2: responsible I think for the generations that followed, right, So

1008
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 2: I think when I think of check players. Even at

1009
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 2: the level that I play, I play with a lot

1010
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 2: of check players. They're tough as nails. So I think

1011
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 2: it's a Mukova thing, which is I'm coming back from

1012
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 2: injury and I have a very high creative game, high

1013
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:39,840
Speaker 2: creativity inspired game, which I think you can get a

1014
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:41,719
Speaker 2: little bit lost in the saw sometimes about that.

1015
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 1: It was one fourhand volley away from being a set

1016
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 1: and three love up against Jess a few breaks. I

1017
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:48,400
Speaker 1: don't think she loses that match if she makes that volley.

1018
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 2: Well, she made the valley, she didn't pay away.

1019
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:51,800
Speaker 1: No, no, she missed the volley.

1020
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:53,360
Speaker 2: She didn't. She hit it right back to Jess, and

1021
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 2: Jess hit a passenger.

1022
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:58,359
Speaker 1: She missed the toppy foehand into the net.

1023
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:00,319
Speaker 2: Well, we'll have to go to the tap. My god,

1024
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:02,360
Speaker 2: I was doing please please just keep going.

1025
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 1: Okay, I was doing the match and I said, wow,

1026
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:08,399
Speaker 1: she normally it actually went long. It went long.

1027
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 2: When I'm edicated this, it'll be really exciting for us.

1028
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna pull it up right now after the questions. Okay,

1029
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 1: So R. M. Jackson five like the name, and he's

1030
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 1: a white guy. That's great. Why is Muhova so fun

1031
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 1: to watch. Does she have compact or long strokes? Is

1032
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:30,399
Speaker 1: she a mix of old school Borg Macenroe and current techniques? Well,

1033
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 1: it's kind of a little bit of a confusing question,

1034
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:35,719
Speaker 1: but I do appreciate it. RM Jackson five. She is

1035
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 1: fun to watch. I would say her strokes are very

1036
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 1: classic strokes. There's nothing about her strokes or her game

1037
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 1: that are really that flawed, and I think that's what

1038
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 1: makes us so fun to watch. I think the most

1039
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 1: thing that I love to watch is the fact that

1040
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 1: she serves and bollies. The fact that she comes into

1041
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 1: the net every opportunity she can, and on any short

1042
00:48:57,160 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 1: forehand she plays the right shot. She hits that forehand

1043
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 1: inside out, down the line and comes into the net

1044
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 1: and finishes it off with a volley, And I just

1045
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:10,439
Speaker 1: absolutely love watching her play. Yes, so all right, let's

1046
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 1: get to b hd t TL wacky WTA. I think

1047
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:19,440
Speaker 1: WTA should make round talking about the ball standard on

1048
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 1: all surfaces to reduce injuries. I go one serve only

1049
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 1: to reduce serve boddying. Like uts, it'll make WS games

1050
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 1: more watchable. What's wrong with women's tennis? I'm not even

1051
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 1: going to answer this question. Women's game more watchable in

1052
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:38,319
Speaker 1: my opinion, XD balls cause so many shoulder injuries. Blah

1053
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:43,799
Speaker 1: blah blah. Okay, wacky WTA. I will say this, you

1054
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:47,440
Speaker 1: can't have the same ball every week because balls and

1055
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 1: ball sponsors like Wilson and Penn and Technic Fiber and

1056
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 1: blah blah blah and Babbelatt and all of them, they

1057
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 1: all make balls and they all want them to be

1058
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 1: used at a tournament, so they give the tournament money

1059
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 1: to use their balls. It's called promoting their ball. So

1060
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 1: of course a tournament is going to take a fifty

1061
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:05,880
Speaker 1: thousand dollars from a Wilson or one hundred thousand from

1062
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:08,319
Speaker 1: a Wilson to use their balls in the tournament. So

1063
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:10,920
Speaker 1: that's why you don't have the same uniformity of a ball. Now,

1064
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 1: if you did, then the w T A a TP

1065
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:14,840
Speaker 1: should get together with a Wilson or a Pan or

1066
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:17,799
Speaker 1: whoever and say this is our ball all the time.

1067
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:20,319
Speaker 2: Does seem like a opportunity.

1068
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 1: It does, but it's not going to happen. So there

1069
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 1: you go. And yes, the reason they're using regular duty

1070
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:27,320
Speaker 1: at the US Open is because it does cause problems

1071
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 1: for the player, especially the women with their wrists, with

1072
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 1: their elbows and their shoulders. So that's why they went

1073
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 1: back to regular duty. And that's it. And I don't

1074
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Speaker 1: appreciate b h dtl's little slant on women's tennis. You

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Speaker 1: should think about men's tennis a little bit more being unwatchable,

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Speaker 1: I think so. I know you're a fan, but that

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Speaker 1: just bothers me. He has another question. Should Goff have

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00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 1: parted ways with Gilbert? Who do you think as coach?

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Speaker 1: We've already okay, right a kana, Yeah, these are all

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00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:01,719
Speaker 1: being answered. Why is okay, it's maybe someday who we love?

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Speaker 1: Why isn't there a Slam for South America?

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00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, Caitlin, thank you, agreed. Let's she wants to take

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00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:10,240
Speaker 2: the Australian Open and put in South America.

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00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:11,840
Speaker 1: So we are done with this question.

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00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 2: Not necessarily.

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Speaker 1: I think I could have a major, not a major, tonment,

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00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:17,960
Speaker 1: not a major like a Grand Slam, but that wasn't

1088
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:18,759
Speaker 1: a big tournament down.

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00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:22,320
Speaker 2: I think we can well, we can do literally anything

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Speaker 2: we want. Keep in mind, one hundred years ago this

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00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:32,239
Speaker 2: was a globe ruled by kingdoms and you know blood no.

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00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:34,800
Speaker 2: But my point is nothing matters. The world can change.

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00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:36,959
Speaker 2: Nobody could have a Slam in October until the French

1094
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 2: Open did it like anything can happen. The Australian Open

1095
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:42,800
Speaker 2: wasn't really a major until it was the Open major.

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Speaker 2: It has not. Was it a bigger deal than the

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00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:48,800
Speaker 2: Canadian Open or the Italian Open. No. Up until a

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00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 2: certain time it wasn't. So my point is why not

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Speaker 2: at a fifth Slam?

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Speaker 1: But it wasn't always a major.

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00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:54,880
Speaker 2: Sure, But my point here is you can do whatever

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00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 2: we want with the calendar. What I would love to

1103
00:51:56,520 --> 00:52:00,400
Speaker 2: see is the tours consolidate, decide which thousands mattered most,

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00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:02,840
Speaker 2: and then let's change the definition of a Slam so

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00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:07,840
Speaker 2: that it becomes, you know, as prestigious because the Southern hemisphere. This, this,

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00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 2: by the way, is my way of appeasing you and

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00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 2: not taking away the Australian Open. But instead let's add

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00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 2: a fit Slam. Maybe it's in Argentina, a very strong

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00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:18,400
Speaker 2: tennis playing country.

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Speaker 1: You cannot add another.

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00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:22,799
Speaker 2: You can do anything, You can do anything, you just

1112
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:24,960
Speaker 2: want to South America, Argentina. Everybody does.

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00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:28,839
Speaker 1: What can club torontosaurus flex? Who we love? What can

1114
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:31,239
Speaker 1: club doubles players do? More?

1115
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 2: Poach to win?

1116
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 1: Yeah? Move the net more? Yeah, move the net more?

1117
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 1: Or if the net player is stinking it up, just

1118
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 1: keep hitting it at them over and over and over again.

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00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 2: Nowadays, I play a lot of club level doubles.

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Speaker 1: It's called two against one.

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00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 2: The difference between the college players like me and the

1122
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 2: players who are good but did not play college doubles

1123
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Speaker 2: is they don't poach. Yeah, poach, They just stand there.

1124
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Speaker 2: They just stand there and wait for you. Ye.

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Speaker 1: Look overall, we appreciate you writing us.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, those are great. I like getting questions from the audience.

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00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:03,279
Speaker 1: Yeah you do, I do?

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Speaker 2: I know you do you?

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00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do too. That's why I put the tweet out. Anyway,

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00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 1: we're going into Beijing starting. My interest level is two percent.

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00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:18,799
Speaker 1: I mean, I shouldn't say that I will watch more

1132
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:21,319
Speaker 1: of Beijing. I did not watch any hardly anything of

1133
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:23,719
Speaker 1: the last couple of weeks. I didn't barely watch Labor Cup.

1134
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 1: I was more interested in the WNBA postseason and the

1135
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 1: Solheim Cup and a lot of other women's sports. But

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00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:33,400
Speaker 1: I will get back into the tennis now that Beijing

1137
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 1: is starting. But it's just I don't know, just something

1138
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 1: about I mean, Serena used to shut down after the

1139
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:42,319
Speaker 1: US Open, literally did not play after the US Open

1140
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:45,880
Speaker 1: for many, many years, and you know she could afford

1141
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:48,200
Speaker 1: to pay the fine. She didn't play the WTA finals.

1142
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:49,920
Speaker 1: I wasn't okay with that. I wish she had done that,

1143
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:53,319
Speaker 1: just because it's our biggest tournament WT finals. But those

1144
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:56,280
Speaker 1: are going to be in Jedda this year in Saudi Arabia.

1145
00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 1: So your thoughts on that, because you might.

1146
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 2: Go, I'm I'm taking the Billygian King line.

1147
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 1: Can't change it unless you're there. Yeah, and you really

1148
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 1: think that's gonna happen? Yeah, Okay, yeah I do.

1149
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 2: I'm I'm let's keep in mind my background is in politics. Yeah, Like,

1150
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 2: I don't believe systems are immutable, and I also think,

1151
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 2: you know, we live in a world where all of

1152
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:24,920
Speaker 2: a sudden we can decide the borders of country is

1153
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:27,960
Speaker 2: changing overnight. So yeah, I mean, am I incredibly optimistic

1154
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:31,399
Speaker 2: as a gay person, as a lum of the Washington Post. No,

1155
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 2: there's there's some reservations I have, and I'm certainly not

1156
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:36,480
Speaker 2: going to use this platform to defend. But i will say, like,

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00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:37,279
Speaker 2: if you.

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Speaker 1: Go to Saudi Raybe, you're not taking Claire and I

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00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 1: certainly not.

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Speaker 2: That's said I'm gonna I'm I'm curious and I believe

1161
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 2: in like, okay, let's do some Let's do some engagement here.

1162
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:49,480
Speaker 2: You know, I think if the tour went back to

1163
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 2: China post punk SHUEI, and it shouldn't always be on

1164
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:55,279
Speaker 2: the women, by the way to lead the charge. The

1165
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:56,440
Speaker 2: men have decided.

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Speaker 1: Oh, the men have been going.

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Speaker 2: There forever forever. So for me, like my my general

1168
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:03,719
Speaker 2: approach at this point is let's say, let's let's have

1169
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Speaker 2: a conversation.

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Speaker 1: And let's finish this pod off. You had a great

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Speaker 1: article in the New York Times.

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Speaker 2: What a fun article in the New York Times. Yeah,

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00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:16,160
Speaker 2: after a tumult a transformation at rack of magazine was

1174
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 2: the headline. And you know, having a business for almost

1175
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Speaker 2: a decade that we've been trying to you know, illuminate

1176
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:26,759
Speaker 2: the stories, grow, do all this stuff, you know, sometimes

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Speaker 2: you need to make some changes. And I think what

1178
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Speaker 2: I was most excited about is the fact that in

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Speaker 2: the New York Times we had a chance to sort

1180
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Speaker 2: of talk about all the amazing things that this last

1181
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:41,360
Speaker 2: year has brought, especially you know, making the magazine is amazing.

1182
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:46,359
Speaker 2: Turning it from a sort of you know, hobbyist kind

1183
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 2: of setup where it wasn't paying for itself to something profitable.

1184
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Speaker 2: This year has been a tremendous effort with the best,

1185
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:55,479
Speaker 2: most amazing writers, creators, editors, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I liked the last line in the article where

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Speaker 1: it's it do you remember it?

1188
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:01,920
Speaker 2: I do, but I'll let you know you say it.

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Speaker 2: It will be profitable for the first time. And I

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Speaker 2: think for me really this year, and I think for

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00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:09,080
Speaker 2: me not coincidentally bringing on an all team of women,

1192
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Speaker 2: having the larger footprint where we get to do amazing

1193
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:16,400
Speaker 2: things with brands and with events and with collabs. You know,

1194
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:18,840
Speaker 2: for me, I think this is just a very modern

1195
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:20,440
Speaker 2: way of doing media. Does it mean I'm going to

1196
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:23,360
Speaker 2: be right all the time or make a thousand percent

1197
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:26,799
Speaker 2: of my you know bets correctly? No, But I'm ambitious,

1198
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:29,359
Speaker 2: and you know how society feels about ambitious women, which

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Speaker 2: is I think speaks to a love of them, a

1200
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:35,239
Speaker 2: little bit of the grist for the mill. So for me,

1201
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 2: the fact that we got to talk about all the

1202
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:40,200
Speaker 2: amazing stuff we've done, including but not limited to trying

1203
00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:42,879
Speaker 2: to take over our first club space here in New York,

1204
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:44,799
Speaker 2: which would have us running a tennis court. Will it happen.

1205
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:47,160
Speaker 2: I don't know. Quick do I get priority on the court,

1206
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:48,480
Speaker 2: you get free membership? Right?

1207
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:53,839
Speaker 1: Okay? Well on that note, this the end story is,

1208
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:55,919
Speaker 1: if you want to do a company, just have all women.

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00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: All right, guys, thanks for joining us. See you next week.