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Welcome to 0:00:43.320 --> 0:00:52.880 Stuff you should know from how Stuff Works dot com. Hey, 0:00:52.960 --> 0:00:56.120 and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, and there's 0:00:56.200 --> 0:00:59.560 Charles W. Chuck Bright, and there's Jerry Smoke and Roland 0:00:59.640 --> 0:01:04.680 over there. It's just a cloud chaser? Is that everything 0:01:04.760 --> 0:01:11.840 called smokers? Dude? I looked up terminology vape terminology cloud 0:01:11.920 --> 0:01:16.600 chaser really because I wanted to punish myself, and that's 0:01:16.640 --> 0:01:19.520 apparently I don't know. That's what this website says. That 0:01:19.560 --> 0:01:21.640 sounds like the kind of thing somebody who wears like 0:01:21.680 --> 0:01:24.360 a flannel shirt tight around their waist would call somebody 0:01:24.360 --> 0:01:27.400 who vapes. Yeah, oh no, these are vapors who you know, 0:01:28.000 --> 0:01:31.200 puff fat clouds, you know, seeing those people with just 0:01:31.640 --> 0:01:34.959 ridiculous amounts of smoke or not even smoke. Whatever it is, 0:01:36.360 --> 0:01:38.760 whatever it is, is the right the right thing to say, 0:01:38.880 --> 0:01:44.400 chuck because no one's quite sure. So we're talking electronic 0:01:44.440 --> 0:01:48.360 cigarettes e cigarettes. If you go to the FDA website, 0:01:48.360 --> 0:01:53.840 they're called electronic nicotine delivery systems. They don't people don't 0:01:53.960 --> 0:01:55.760 call them e cigarettes anymore, do they or do they? 0:01:56.120 --> 0:01:58.800 I don't know. I felt so square researching this because 0:01:58.800 --> 0:02:01.400 it's such an ever of involving thing. You have to 0:02:01.400 --> 0:02:02.840 be like right in the thick of it to know. 0:02:03.520 --> 0:02:07.480 I saw the siggs a lot still today. Well by 0:02:07.520 --> 0:02:11.360 the media, Yeah, I bet I think they just call 0:02:11.400 --> 0:02:19.560 it vaping, right, Okay, so vapes babies, right? Um? The 0:02:20.680 --> 0:02:24.480 you see it more and more these days the kids, 0:02:24.760 --> 0:02:27.280 which is kind of a problem. The kids seem to 0:02:27.320 --> 0:02:29.560 be enjoying this. Although I can't say anything because I 0:02:29.560 --> 0:02:32.040 was thinking about this, I'm like, gosh, teenagers are trying 0:02:32.080 --> 0:02:34.240 this and I was, like I was fourteen when I 0:02:34.280 --> 0:02:39.079 started smoking tobacco like every day for twenty years, like 0:02:39.200 --> 0:02:43.720 probably Marlboro Reds or something. Indeed, although when you're that 0:02:43.880 --> 0:02:45.960 young and you ride up on your bike to the 0:02:45.960 --> 0:02:49.400 convenience story to buy cigarettes, you just kind of you'll 0:02:49.400 --> 0:02:54.160 take whatever you can get. Um, but it does it 0:02:54.160 --> 0:02:57.799 strikes me as absolutely nuts when now that I don't 0:02:57.840 --> 0:03:01.560 smoke anymore, the idea of like, teenager are smoking it's 0:03:01.560 --> 0:03:05.600 just weird. Um. But some people kind of have this 0:03:05.680 --> 0:03:12.760 idea that it's wrong headed to compare et siggs or 0:03:12.880 --> 0:03:16.880 vapes who knows what they're called, with our SIGs with 0:03:16.880 --> 0:03:21.639 with regular SIGs or non vape SIGs, right, um, And 0:03:21.680 --> 0:03:24.839 that you could make a case that it's possible it's 0:03:24.840 --> 0:03:28.720 fine that teenagers are doing this. Really, some might say, 0:03:28.880 --> 0:03:31.200 or at the very least they might say, if you 0:03:31.240 --> 0:03:35.440 if I had to choose a teenager smoking a cigarette 0:03:35.720 --> 0:03:39.360 or tobacco, I would always choose the East cigarette. Yeah. 0:03:39.480 --> 0:03:41.440 And I think that's one of the main points that 0:03:41.480 --> 0:03:43.480 we're going to hammer home throughout this whole thing, is 0:03:43.520 --> 0:03:46.160 that it is still sort of the wild, wild West, 0:03:46.640 --> 0:03:49.240 And that's one of the big issues is that no 0:03:49.280 --> 0:03:51.640 one really knows the deal a lot of times with 0:03:51.680 --> 0:03:55.160 what's in here, how it's reacting in the body, what 0:03:56.880 --> 0:04:00.480 the manufacturers, I mean, it's all just all just kind 0:04:00.480 --> 0:04:02.680 of guessing right now for sure, for a couple of reasons. 0:04:02.720 --> 0:04:06.160 One they're so new. But two here in the United States, 0:04:06.200 --> 0:04:09.040 it wasn't until two thousand and sixteen that the f 0:04:09.160 --> 0:04:13.560 d A gained regulatory control over these things. Before it 0:04:13.600 --> 0:04:17.480 was like they could put anything into the e juice 0:04:18.200 --> 0:04:22.040 who knows what it's actually called, um, that you're smoking, 0:04:22.400 --> 0:04:24.479 and you would have no idea what's in there there 0:04:24.600 --> 0:04:27.680 There was no regulation whatsoever until two thousand and sixteen. 0:04:28.200 --> 0:04:29.960 So yeah, it is like you said, the wild blah West. 0:04:30.040 --> 0:04:32.680 Still they're still figuring this out. And depending on what 0:04:32.760 --> 0:04:36.719 country you're in. Um, they're either a great way to 0:04:36.720 --> 0:04:41.640 to quit smoking tobacco or to smoke instead of smoking tobacco, 0:04:42.279 --> 0:04:45.360 or they're just as bad as cigarettes, if not worse 0:04:45.400 --> 0:04:49.159 in some respects. Or they're a gateway to a kid 0:04:49.160 --> 0:04:52.719 who may not have even started smoking cigarettes but tried 0:04:52.760 --> 0:04:56.120 this because it tastes like peaches and cream, right, and 0:04:56.120 --> 0:04:59.279 then they get hooked on the nicotine. Remember, I remember, 0:04:59.320 --> 0:05:01.760 I remember when Joe Cammell came out in the nineties 0:05:02.320 --> 0:05:04.919 and they were like, Uh, you can't have this cartoon 0:05:05.960 --> 0:05:10.240 camel hawking cigarettes because you're clearly targeting kids. Well, at 0:05:10.320 --> 0:05:14.200 least he never had peaches and cream flavor, which, by 0:05:14.240 --> 0:05:17.560 the way, I was looking at um ingredients in tobacco 0:05:17.600 --> 0:05:20.840 because now in the United States, cigarette companies have to 0:05:20.920 --> 0:05:23.479 list the ingredients on their on their websites, at least 0:05:23.680 --> 0:05:26.159 because that's what all smokers do is go to the 0:05:26.160 --> 0:05:29.960 website to see what they're smoking. Let me see, um 0:05:30.120 --> 0:05:32.599 high fruit toast corns are up is in cigarettes. That 0:05:32.640 --> 0:05:35.080 doesn't surprise me. It doesn't if you stop and think 0:05:35.120 --> 0:05:37.600 about it. But if you stop one more time to 0:05:37.640 --> 0:05:42.600 think about you're like, that stuff is everywhere. So yeah, 0:05:42.640 --> 0:05:45.680 they were invented by a pharmacist in China name Han Lick, 0:05:46.240 --> 0:05:49.080 who I believe his father died of lung cancer from smoking, 0:05:50.120 --> 0:05:51.680 and I don't know if that was the impetus to 0:05:51.680 --> 0:05:54.320 create this or not, but he did pat in the 0:05:54.360 --> 0:05:57.120 device in two thousand three, and as soon as I 0:05:57.160 --> 0:05:59.880 read that, I was like, man, I bet this guy 0:06:00.080 --> 0:06:03.520 is a gazillionaire. Do you want to hear something very surprising? 0:06:04.480 --> 0:06:08.560 He is now the first person to patent in East cigarette. Well, 0:06:08.600 --> 0:06:10.520 and he's all he also, I mean, I'm not sure 0:06:10.560 --> 0:06:13.360 how much is net worth is, but he's still currently 0:06:13.440 --> 0:06:18.920 kind of battling for rights to make money and stuff West. So, 0:06:19.000 --> 0:06:21.400 back in the sixties, the mid sixties, a man named 0:06:21.440 --> 0:06:25.480 Herbert A. Gilbert, which is that's a nineteen sixties inventor's 0:06:25.560 --> 0:06:28.080 name if I've ever heard one. Yeah, he patented something 0:06:28.080 --> 0:06:33.040 that is basically an East cigarette. And then apparently even 0:06:33.080 --> 0:06:37.760 further back than that, in the nwenties, someone patented vaporizer penon, 0:06:38.040 --> 0:06:41.720 not necessarily for cigarette, but they were human spirit papers. 0:06:42.880 --> 0:06:47.800 It's my grandmother's soul. Uh Uh, here's the deal. We 0:06:47.800 --> 0:06:49.800 haven't even so worded it as yet. Um. I figured 0:06:49.839 --> 0:06:54.080 everyone knows because it seems to be their ubiquitous these days. 0:06:54.839 --> 0:06:58.279 But um, an East cigarette is it's a it's a 0:06:58.320 --> 0:07:02.240 battery powered device usually looks sometimes it can look like 0:07:02.279 --> 0:07:04.960 a cigarette that even lights up on the end, but 0:07:05.120 --> 0:07:07.039 I don't see a lot of those anymore. No, it's 0:07:07.080 --> 0:07:09.520 kind of an early thing, I think so, and um 0:07:09.560 --> 0:07:11.280 just to make you feel more like you were smoking. 0:07:11.480 --> 0:07:14.560 But now they just look like a little pins with 0:07:14.640 --> 0:07:17.680 a cartridge and it converts that liquid nicotine into a 0:07:17.800 --> 0:07:21.280 vapor that you inhale, so you're not actually burning nicotine. 0:07:21.920 --> 0:07:25.240 There's no smoke, even though it looks like smoke. That's 0:07:25.920 --> 0:07:29.800 I don't even know what you call it, vaporation, depending 0:07:30.080 --> 0:07:33.440 depending on what's in the stuff that you're you're inhaling 0:07:33.560 --> 0:07:38.720 or vaporizing fat clouds, fat clouds, right, Um, but yeah, 0:07:38.760 --> 0:07:40.440 that's it. You you hit the nail on the head, 0:07:40.600 --> 0:07:44.920 it's combustion isn't involved. Right, There's little coils in there 0:07:45.000 --> 0:07:48.440 that get heated up by the battery, bring the vapor 0:07:48.640 --> 0:07:52.120 or the liquid up to its boiling point, converting it 0:07:52.200 --> 0:07:54.480 to vapor, and then that's what you inhale. And since 0:07:54.520 --> 0:07:58.280 there's no combustion, uh, you're not getting all the extra 0:07:58.320 --> 0:08:01.880 stuff that you get when you smoke to pacco like tar. Well, 0:08:01.880 --> 0:08:04.520 there is no tobacco in here. There isn't. And that's 0:08:04.560 --> 0:08:07.600 a really big point that even in articles about the 0:08:07.600 --> 0:08:11.840 difference between tobacco and the cigarettes they call this stuff 0:08:11.880 --> 0:08:16.440 interchangeably like tobacco. These are not tobacco. Tobacco is a 0:08:16.480 --> 0:08:19.880 plant that contains nicotine that we have learned over the 0:08:19.920 --> 0:08:23.800 centuries to smoke as a delivery system. Yeah, as a 0:08:23.840 --> 0:08:27.000 delivery system for that nicotine. The problem is is there's 0:08:27.000 --> 0:08:30.400 a lot of other stuff, bad stuff that come from 0:08:30.480 --> 0:08:34.640 inhaling that tobacco. It's not necessarily the nicotine itself, although 0:08:34.640 --> 0:08:38.160 it is a highly addictive drug when inhaled. The point 0:08:38.160 --> 0:08:40.960 of these cigarettes, at least one of the points is 0:08:40.960 --> 0:08:44.400 is that you can still get that nicotine without the tobacco. 0:08:44.840 --> 0:08:48.240 It's separated from the tobacco, putting this other solution and 0:08:48.320 --> 0:08:51.560 that you heat up without combustion and inhale and then 0:08:51.840 --> 0:08:54.080 birds just kind of chirp around your head and you're 0:08:54.120 --> 0:08:56.520 suddenly dressed like snow white, and you say, what was 0:08:56.559 --> 0:09:00.400 in the juice? Or is it? And we'll talk about 0:09:00.400 --> 0:09:03.360 all this. This is I'm just teasing ahead, But is it? 0:09:03.400 --> 0:09:06.440 Is nicotine even bad for you if you're not burning 0:09:06.440 --> 0:09:10.839 it from tobacco? Is nicotine itself? Because that one, dude, 0:09:11.080 --> 0:09:14.040 I think from the seventies and one of these articles 0:09:14.040 --> 0:09:18.479 you said said, you know people people come for nicotine, 0:09:18.520 --> 0:09:22.319 but they die from tar. Yeah. Michael Russell, he was 0:09:22.360 --> 0:09:25.000 a South African scientist who basically was the guy who 0:09:25.160 --> 0:09:28.760 changed the way we viewed cigarettes. Like up to that point, 0:09:28.840 --> 0:09:33.760 it was a psychological habit smoking was and he said no, actually, 0:09:33.840 --> 0:09:37.559 we're addicted to nicotine. Um, And it's a it's a 0:09:37.640 --> 0:09:42.559 physiological addiction. Yes, So that you've heard that like um, 0:09:42.600 --> 0:09:45.920 and that came from there's this really great article, if 0:09:45.920 --> 0:09:48.880 not a little one sided um in Rolling Stone from 0:09:48.920 --> 0:09:52.400 two thousand thirteen by David Ams Dinton. It's a tough 0:09:52.440 --> 0:09:55.800 one to say, um, but he talked about that guy, right, 0:09:56.320 --> 0:10:01.640 and that guy out of that whole thing, this big 0:10:01.679 --> 0:10:04.040 push to get people who quit smoking then focused on 0:10:04.120 --> 0:10:07.000 nicotine as an addictive drug, and you had to smoke 0:10:07.080 --> 0:10:09.319 tobacco to get your addicted drug, and the tobacco is 0:10:09.360 --> 0:10:13.000 going to kill you, So just quit smoking altogether. Apparently 0:10:13.280 --> 0:10:16.960 nicotine is not addictive unless you inhale it. So whether 0:10:17.000 --> 0:10:19.200 you're inhaling it in water, vapor, or tobacco, yes, it 0:10:19.280 --> 0:10:23.160 is an addictive drug. Right. So back to the device itself. 0:10:23.520 --> 0:10:25.480 There are many many kinds you can get out there. 0:10:25.520 --> 0:10:28.360 Some of them, um, are just sort of long and thin, 0:10:28.440 --> 0:10:31.040 like a like a ballpoint pen, and there's no button 0:10:31.120 --> 0:10:34.360 or device. Just simply inhaling it, putting your mouth on 0:10:34.360 --> 0:10:37.480 the tip and inhaling it will activate it. Other ones 0:10:37.640 --> 0:10:40.160 have little buttons on them that you push to activate 0:10:41.120 --> 0:10:43.839 the system that consists of three parts, which is the 0:10:44.000 --> 0:10:47.760 rechargeable battery. UM. And when you think of a rechargeable 0:10:47.800 --> 0:10:49.800 with the battery, you think of a little tiny thing 0:10:50.160 --> 0:10:52.800 that's the main body of these pins, is the battery. 0:10:53.080 --> 0:10:58.360 Then you have a little cartridge or the vaporization chamber. No, no, sorry, 0:10:58.360 --> 0:11:02.559 there's different things. Vaporization chambers where the party takes place, 0:11:03.400 --> 0:11:07.400 and in the cartridges where the liquid is stored. So 0:11:07.679 --> 0:11:12.400 the the vaporization chamber has the atomizer in it, and 0:11:12.440 --> 0:11:15.199 that's the thing that has the heating coils that heat 0:11:15.280 --> 0:11:18.920 up the juice. Yeah, the heating coils, which I just 0:11:18.960 --> 0:11:22.280 saw this today. They might be a problem as well. 0:11:22.440 --> 0:11:23.960 I saw that as well, and that's part of the 0:11:23.960 --> 0:11:28.600 wild Wild West thing. They're testing, like the juice, the joss, 0:11:29.440 --> 0:11:33.240 the jew to see if that's dangerous. But now it 0:11:33.400 --> 0:11:36.800 just said, I just saw a study UM published in 0:11:36.880 --> 0:11:41.080 Environmental Health Perspectives from John's Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public 0:11:41.160 --> 0:11:45.199 Health that said that these coils are burning, These metal 0:11:45.240 --> 0:11:50.160 coils are producing like lead, chromium, manganese, and or nickel. 0:11:51.720 --> 0:11:54.480 That's part of the device itself. That is now being 0:11:54.480 --> 0:11:57.080 heated and mixed with the vapor. Yeah, toxic metals. You 0:11:57.080 --> 0:11:58.800 don't want that stuff in your now, that's the stuff 0:11:58.800 --> 0:12:01.600 in cigarettes that be will want to get rid of, right, 0:12:01.640 --> 0:12:04.120 And part of the problem. I also saw another study 0:12:04.120 --> 0:12:06.320 that found that some of those toxic metals are in 0:12:06.960 --> 0:12:12.120 concentrations as high as cigarettes, if not higher. Yeah, right, um, 0:12:12.200 --> 0:12:15.199 because it can vary, I think, depending on the yes. 0:12:15.400 --> 0:12:17.480 And they found it also in that same study that 0:12:17.559 --> 0:12:23.800 it seemed that the amounts were higher in um frequently 0:12:24.000 --> 0:12:31.199 changed atomizers. So it's today but later today I want oreo. Right, 0:12:31.200 --> 0:12:34.720 And if you're changing out your atomizer, the new head, 0:12:34.840 --> 0:12:37.839 a fresh head seems to leach more toxic chemicals that 0:12:38.000 --> 0:12:41.840 stops after a period of time, not not the cartridge. No, 0:12:41.960 --> 0:12:44.320 not the cartridge, the atomize or with the coils. Right, 0:12:44.640 --> 0:12:46.679 that makes sense. So yeah, so you don't want that stuff. 0:12:46.720 --> 0:12:50.000 Part of the part of the reason you're inhaling nicotine 0:12:50.080 --> 0:12:53.080 is because it delivers it right to your brain basically 0:12:53.160 --> 0:12:56.560 from your lungs. It's a really efficient delivery system. So 0:12:56.720 --> 0:12:59.440 you want to cut down on the additional stuff that's 0:12:59.440 --> 0:13:02.480 being delivered write to your brain like lead, because you 0:13:02.520 --> 0:13:05.200 take a big long pull off e sig. It's got 0:13:05.240 --> 0:13:07.559 a bunch of lead in it. There goes ten I 0:13:07.640 --> 0:13:12.840 Q points see you later. The cartridges. This this liquid 0:13:12.920 --> 0:13:16.800 that's in there um is nicotine and the delivery system 0:13:16.920 --> 0:13:22.719 is usually propylene glycol and vegetable glycerin, which I mean 0:13:22.760 --> 0:13:25.440 we'll get to all this. Yeah, we're jumping ahead of ourselves. Yes, 0:13:25.520 --> 0:13:28.160 that's that's what that's made of. Should we take a break, Yeah, 0:13:28.240 --> 0:13:31.520 let's all right, we'll be We're gonna go puff some 0:13:31.640 --> 0:13:58.960 fat clouds. Be back right after this. So is that 0:13:59.000 --> 0:14:01.319 really what some people call all the fat clouds? I've 0:14:01.360 --> 0:14:06.120 seen people make fun of people by saying that. So 0:14:06.160 --> 0:14:11.439 I think it has been said vapors. Uh, they take 0:14:11.480 --> 0:14:16.200 a lot of grief from people. Well, they pushed pushed 0:14:16.520 --> 0:14:19.200 boundaries a lot. Yeah, but the whole culture is kind 0:14:19.200 --> 0:14:25.400 of like ripe for and ridicule I think by people 0:14:25.400 --> 0:14:28.040 who don't do it. Is that fair to say? It 0:14:28.120 --> 0:14:30.200 seems that way like there's got to be a Portlandia 0:14:30.280 --> 0:14:34.520 sketch about like sidewalk vapors, you think. So here's the 0:14:34.560 --> 0:14:36.960 thing with the cartridges though, is not all of them 0:14:36.960 --> 0:14:40.400 even have nicotine sometimes? And I don't get this at all. 0:14:40.440 --> 0:14:43.400 I don't get it. But sometimes people just vape flavor. 0:14:44.640 --> 0:14:48.320 That is stupid. That is a stupid thing to do, 0:14:49.320 --> 0:14:52.080 because consider this, it's bad enough if you're doing this 0:14:52.160 --> 0:14:55.520 to get nicotine, right, you're a drug addict if you're 0:14:55.520 --> 0:14:59.200 doing this to get nicotine. So yeah, you're probably gonna 0:14:59.240 --> 0:15:01.280 get some toxic metals. And that may or may not 0:15:01.440 --> 0:15:03.480 mean a lot to you. It may mean enough for 0:15:03.560 --> 0:15:05.920 you to quit, it may not mean anything to you. 0:15:06.000 --> 0:15:09.240 Just keep on keeping on. But if you're huffing toxic 0:15:09.320 --> 0:15:14.400 medic metals just to get a strawberry flavor, you're a dummy, 0:15:14.480 --> 0:15:18.320 and just stop doing that immediate. Well, but what if 0:15:18.320 --> 0:15:20.480 that is what you do in place of this bad 0:15:20.520 --> 0:15:23.000 smoking habit you had, well, then you should learn more 0:15:23.040 --> 0:15:27.520 about what you're inhaling, because you're probably not you're not 0:15:27.680 --> 0:15:32.560 smoking the nicotine because if you're worried what it's going 0:15:32.640 --> 0:15:36.920 to do to your health, So just stop altogether, go 0:15:37.000 --> 0:15:39.800 get some dumb dumb lollipops, dumb dumb. Well, no, I 0:15:39.800 --> 0:15:41.960 mean that, that's clearly and there are some studies that 0:15:42.200 --> 0:15:44.480 will get too later that pretty recent ones that have 0:15:45.120 --> 0:15:48.080 tested people who smoke and vape because that's sort of 0:15:48.080 --> 0:15:51.200 one of the problems is sometimes people do both because 0:15:51.240 --> 0:15:53.160 they want to get that nicotine hit, but they're at 0:15:53.160 --> 0:15:56.480 a party where you can't smoke or whatever. That's like 0:15:56.520 --> 0:15:59.080 the worst case scenario where that you're doing both. Yeah, 0:15:59.160 --> 0:16:02.960 that you're using it to smoke more frequently because you're 0:16:03.080 --> 0:16:07.760 smoking in places where you can't normally smoke Tobacca. So uh, 0:16:07.920 --> 0:16:09.320 like I said, we'll get to that test. But they 0:16:09.360 --> 0:16:11.720 tested people who do both, people who do want and 0:16:11.760 --> 0:16:14.640 people to do none, and of course doing nothing is 0:16:14.680 --> 0:16:17.000 the best case scenario. Yeah, and I want to go 0:16:17.080 --> 0:16:19.280 back a couple of steps. I don't mean to be 0:16:19.400 --> 0:16:22.800 all holier than now. I certainly don't think I'm any 0:16:22.840 --> 0:16:26.360 better than anybody who smokes just because I quit with 0:16:26.520 --> 0:16:32.160 the benefit of hindsight now that I don't smoke. Uh, 0:16:32.240 --> 0:16:35.680 it's tough not to just be like, stop smoking. You're 0:16:35.680 --> 0:16:38.800 gonna thank yourself. I know you want to. There are 0:16:38.880 --> 0:16:41.600 very few smokers out there who are died in the wool. 0:16:42.080 --> 0:16:45.560 Cigarette smokers who are like, man, I love smoking still 0:16:46.400 --> 0:16:49.320 twenty years on, they probably want to quit, which is 0:16:49.320 --> 0:16:52.280 the sad thing. Yeah, So I'm sorry everybody if I 0:16:52.360 --> 0:16:55.360 came off its holder uh, it says in here, and 0:16:55.360 --> 0:16:56.960 I don't know how accurate this still is, but it 0:16:56.960 --> 0:16:58.840 says the cartridge just last about as long as the 0:16:58.880 --> 0:17:01.160 back of its garettes. I don't know if that's still 0:17:01.240 --> 0:17:03.840 accurate because there are so many different kinds of tanks 0:17:03.840 --> 0:17:05.560 and cartridges you can get these days. I think it 0:17:05.600 --> 0:17:08.080 generally does, though, because they yeah, and they sell them 0:17:08.119 --> 0:17:10.359 at a certain price point, and I think it's comparable, 0:17:10.440 --> 0:17:12.960 depending on where you live, to a pack of cigarettes, 0:17:13.000 --> 0:17:16.560 like a pack of New York twelve dollar cigarettes, I think. 0:17:16.960 --> 0:17:19.760 But that's if you buy the cartridges, use them up, 0:17:19.920 --> 0:17:23.600 and then buy another cartridge. You can also buy a 0:17:23.680 --> 0:17:28.160 vaporizer that has a refillable cartridge that always stays on 0:17:28.280 --> 0:17:32.400 and you just refill it yourself because you're a thrifty person. Yeah, 0:17:32.480 --> 0:17:35.359 that would be like, uh, I guess kind of like 0:17:35.440 --> 0:17:37.760 rolling your own cigarettes. It would be you probably get 0:17:37.760 --> 0:17:39.960 a little more bang for your black there, right, you 0:17:40.040 --> 0:17:44.159 definitely do. But you know, and you look cool, do you? 0:17:44.800 --> 0:17:47.120 I don't know, you look Europeans. It's a pain though. 0:17:47.160 --> 0:17:50.399 I mean I went through a cigarette rolling phase. But like, 0:17:50.640 --> 0:17:53.320 you want a cigarette right then, man, I gotta wait 0:17:53.440 --> 0:17:56.120 forty five seconds until I get this thing just right now. 0:17:56.160 --> 0:17:57.919 I just ripped the paper and not have to start 0:17:57.920 --> 0:18:01.000 over grows cigarette. Yeah. When I was young and dumb, See, 0:18:01.000 --> 0:18:04.600 I wasn't a smoker smoker. I would just smoke occasionally, 0:18:04.640 --> 0:18:08.320 which always plucked smokers. Um. And when I did my 0:18:08.359 --> 0:18:11.080 big Europe trip fresh out of college, I just thought 0:18:11.080 --> 0:18:13.040 it was the coolest thing to, you know, roll up 0:18:13.040 --> 0:18:17.680 my drum cigarettes walking around in Paris. Yeah, check me out, frenchees. 0:18:17.760 --> 0:18:23.399 But again, did you have a beret on at least? Um? No, 0:18:23.560 --> 0:18:27.480 I smoked that too. I had it on day one, 0:18:27.520 --> 0:18:30.359 but I smoked it. Um. Alright, So we might as 0:18:30.359 --> 0:18:35.480 well get into some of these um health studies and concerns. Um. 0:18:35.520 --> 0:18:37.880 Like we said over and over, one of the big 0:18:37.880 --> 0:18:40.800 problems is we don't know certainly don't know about long 0:18:40.920 --> 0:18:45.040 term health effects and are just learning about some of 0:18:45.040 --> 0:18:49.960 the short term effects. Well, the thing is is we 0:18:50.160 --> 0:18:54.760 it's too new to know about east cigarettes specifically, but 0:18:55.000 --> 0:18:59.040 from these early tests that are coming back, UM, we 0:18:59.200 --> 0:19:01.800 know a lot about some of the chemicals that are 0:19:01.800 --> 0:19:04.320 showing up in these tests. And some of them are 0:19:04.359 --> 0:19:09.240 like whoa, Nelly, You do not want that in your brain? Um, 0:19:09.280 --> 0:19:11.479 there's one in particular. Some of these you can just 0:19:11.520 --> 0:19:14.800 tell from the names of them. There's terrible but um 0:19:14.840 --> 0:19:18.639 a Krylla nitrial. I believe it's a Krylla nit trial. 0:19:19.119 --> 0:19:21.560 It is, uh yeah, I think I nailed it, even 0:19:21.600 --> 0:19:25.640 without even looking at it. It is a very toxic 0:19:25.680 --> 0:19:31.040 poison that's used in the creation of um acrylic fibers, 0:19:31.280 --> 0:19:34.879 I think maybe even some rubber. Um. It's it's a 0:19:34.960 --> 0:19:39.600 it's a plastic it's yeah. Well, the problem is is um. 0:19:40.080 --> 0:19:44.400 It is metabolized in your body into cyanide. So that's 0:19:44.480 --> 0:19:46.720 just one example of some of the stuff they're finding 0:19:47.200 --> 0:19:50.639 in the bloodstream of people who smoke the cigarettes. And 0:19:50.760 --> 0:19:53.720 again it's too soon to say what kind of effects 0:19:53.720 --> 0:19:56.879 these are having, but these chemicals have been documented for 0:19:56.880 --> 0:19:59.239 so many decades now that when they pop up we 0:19:59.280 --> 0:20:03.640 can say basically automatically, that's you shouldn't be doing that. 0:20:04.880 --> 0:20:06.439 And I think part of the big problem is the 0:20:06.520 --> 0:20:10.600 regulatory issues, Like it's finally under the FDA's wing right 0:20:11.359 --> 0:20:14.239 as of two thousand and sixteen, but they're still so 0:20:14.359 --> 0:20:17.920 new that they're not even making official statements yet, are 0:20:17.920 --> 0:20:20.639 they or are they? So here's the thing, this is 0:20:20.760 --> 0:20:24.720 this is a very bizarre thing. Chuck there. Um, they 0:20:25.119 --> 0:20:29.760 now regulate these things like tobacco, but it's not tobacco 0:20:30.119 --> 0:20:33.600 in the US. Yes, So if you have if you 0:20:33.640 --> 0:20:38.000 buy a vape pen or vapor cartridge or something like 0:20:38.040 --> 0:20:40.880 that and it has nicotine in it, it's to the 0:20:40.960 --> 0:20:43.399 f d A, you're buying a pack of cigarettes. To 0:20:43.560 --> 0:20:46.639 an East Sig user, that would drive you crazy because 0:20:46.680 --> 0:20:49.920 you might be smoking East cigarettes because you don't smoke tobacco, 0:20:50.000 --> 0:20:52.919 because tobacco is something that's very, very very bad for you. 0:20:53.440 --> 0:20:57.119 Supposedly East cigarettes are a better alternative to that. To 0:20:57.200 --> 0:20:59.760 the FDA, they're the exact same thing, right, And to 0:21:00.040 --> 0:21:03.120 East cigarette, I mean I get their complaint because they 0:21:03.119 --> 0:21:05.720 can say, listen, you can buy nicotine patches and nicotine 0:21:05.720 --> 0:21:08.919 gum and it doesn't have health warnings on there. And 0:21:08.960 --> 0:21:12.720 that's all we're doing is ingesting nicotine. We're not burning tobacco, 0:21:12.920 --> 0:21:15.760 just like so many choose nicotine gum. Isn't burning tobacco. 0:21:16.320 --> 0:21:19.919 So why it's it's because they look like cigarettes and 0:21:19.960 --> 0:21:22.480 you puff fat clouds. Yeah, and that's a that's a 0:21:22.600 --> 0:21:26.119 thing that David Amston says, and this is that that's 0:21:26.200 --> 0:21:28.480 really the big distinction, Like, if you're using it to 0:21:28.600 --> 0:21:31.639 quit smoking, it's the same thing as nicotine gum, and 0:21:31.680 --> 0:21:33.760 you can just go buy that over the counter, right 0:21:34.480 --> 0:21:38.119 with no warnings on the box at all. Um, But 0:21:38.359 --> 0:21:41.920 here there are warnings. It is treated like tobacco. And 0:21:42.040 --> 0:21:46.880 he says it's probably because the cigarettes aren't designed as 0:21:46.920 --> 0:21:50.399 a medical device. They're designed for enjoyment too. They have 0:21:50.480 --> 0:21:53.200 like this dual use, and America has a long history 0:21:53.240 --> 0:21:56.439 of saying, oh, you enjoy this thing, Well, let's try 0:21:56.480 --> 0:21:59.440 and squash that exactly. Yeah, but what's like the big 0:21:59.480 --> 0:22:02.640 deal to them? Though? Really? I think, Okay, so it's 0:22:02.680 --> 0:22:05.880 regulated like tobacco, Like what, it's not keeping them from smoking? 0:22:06.960 --> 0:22:09.240 Oh to E cigarette users, Well yeah, I mean, it 0:22:09.240 --> 0:22:11.520 doesn't prevent them from doing anything. What is it because 0:22:11.520 --> 0:22:13.600 you have to be eighteen or something? I don't know. 0:22:13.720 --> 0:22:15.240 I think there seems to be a bit of a 0:22:15.280 --> 0:22:19.600 culture war going on with um between East cigarette users 0:22:19.600 --> 0:22:24.960 and manufacturers too, and the anti tobacco warriors that were 0:22:25.040 --> 0:22:30.480 very successful. Um, get this, from the sixties to today. 0:22:30.760 --> 0:22:34.199 There was a drop from like I think forty of 0:22:34.240 --> 0:22:38.879 Americans smoked in like nineteen sixty five, eighteen percent smoke 0:22:39.160 --> 0:22:42.840 as of like two thousand, fifteen or sixteen. Pretty amazing. 0:22:42.840 --> 0:22:45.280 It's a great drop in numbers. It's actually not that 0:22:45.320 --> 0:22:48.320 big of a drop because the population kept growing, so 0:22:48.440 --> 0:22:51.879 it was really just an eight million American drop. But 0:22:52.200 --> 0:22:56.240 it shows this social trend of people saying, we don't 0:22:56.240 --> 0:23:00.639 smoke anymore, smoking the losers, right. So um, that was 0:23:00.680 --> 0:23:06.280 the That was the result of years, decades of government 0:23:07.640 --> 0:23:11.600 P S a S and the American Cancer Society and 0:23:11.680 --> 0:23:14.960 the American Heart Association and the Long Association all getting 0:23:15.000 --> 0:23:18.199 together and just pumping drumming it into the heads of 0:23:18.200 --> 0:23:22.240 Americans that smoking is stupid, it's a betrayal to your family, 0:23:22.280 --> 0:23:25.359 it's a waste of money, you're killing yourself, You're you're 0:23:25.400 --> 0:23:29.199 affecting like the insurance industry, you're you're crippling America with 0:23:29.240 --> 0:23:33.560 your stupid habit. And it worked. Now if East cigarettes 0:23:33.560 --> 0:23:37.520 are okay, they have to walk that back some and 0:23:37.600 --> 0:23:39.879 the people who are who are still trying to get 0:23:39.920 --> 0:23:42.280 America to be like totally smoke freeer, like, we're not 0:23:42.320 --> 0:23:45.280 about to do that, but they don't though. That's that's 0:23:45.320 --> 0:23:51.480 that confusion between burning tobacco and ingesting nicotine. Like you 0:23:51.480 --> 0:23:55.720 would come you know, because it's a stigma because it 0:23:55.720 --> 0:24:00.000