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Speaker 1: Stuff you should know from how Stuff Works dot com. Hey,

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Speaker 1: and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, and there's

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Speaker 1: Charles W. Chuck Bright, and there's Jerry Smoke and Roland

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Speaker 1: over there. It's just a cloud chaser? Is that everything

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Speaker 1: called smokers? Dude? I looked up terminology vape terminology cloud

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Speaker 1: apparently I don't know. That's what this website says. That

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Speaker 1: who vapes. Yeah, oh no, these are vapors who you know,

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Speaker 1: puff fat clouds, you know, seeing those people with just

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Speaker 1: ridiculous amounts of smoke or not even smoke. Whatever it is,

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Speaker 1: whatever it is, is the right the right thing to say,

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Speaker 1: chuck because no one's quite sure. So we're talking electronic

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Speaker 1: cigarettes e cigarettes. If you go to the FDA website,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I felt so square researching this because

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Speaker 1: I saw the siggs a lot still today. Well by

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Speaker 1: it vaping, right, Okay, so vapes babies, right? Um? The

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Speaker 1: I don't even know what you call it, vaporation, depending

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Speaker 1: So it's very much touted as an alternative tobacco to tobacco.

424
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:52,880
Speaker 1: It's safer alternative to tobacco. So here's the deal. Though

425
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:56,120
Speaker 1: it seems like people in this article, even that um

426
00:25:56,359 --> 00:26:00,679
Speaker 1: take issue with the number, say it may not be,

427
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:05,160
Speaker 1: but it's it is certainly better than burning tar into

428
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 1: your loans. Well, yeah, then those are the Americans. Though

429
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 1: the Americans are saying like, we're never gonna say it's safer,

430
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:16,200
Speaker 1: but apparently most public health people in America say it's

431
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:20,159
Speaker 1: almost certainly safer than than cigarettes. Like you said, just

432
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 1: that combustion alone creates some really bad stuff that you're

433
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 1: not gonna get from vapor, just because there's no combustions,

434
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:33,640
Speaker 1: just just by that alone would make e cigarettes safer

435
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:37,680
Speaker 1: than than tobacco. But the question is I think a

436
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,480
Speaker 1: lot of people have this idea that oh, I can

437
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 1: just totally like vape to my heart's content. It's healthy,

438
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:47,399
Speaker 1: even like it's like huffing vitamin C or something like that.

439
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 1: That doesn't seem to be the case. From recent research. Yeah,

440
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,439
Speaker 1: and it sets to here that um, and this may

441
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:59,919
Speaker 1: be because of the American propaganda machine, but said of

442
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:04,440
Speaker 1: smokers believed the Siggs were safer in two thousand ten,

443
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:08,399
Speaker 1: and just three years later that dropped to Yeah. And

444
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 1: there was another stat I think, I don't know if

445
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:13,160
Speaker 1: it was in that or another article, but they said

446
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 1: that something like a third of former East SIGG smokers

447
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,440
Speaker 1: said they went back to tobacco because they were worried

448
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:24,400
Speaker 1: about the health dangers of the cigarettes. Now that's a problem,

449
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 1: and there's a there's the people who are saying, like, no,

450
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:31,119
Speaker 1: eat Siggs are safer than tobacco. And what you're talking

451
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:36,160
Speaker 1: about at base are nicotine addicts. So tell this this

452
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:39,480
Speaker 1: nicotine delivery system over this nicotine delivery system if it's

453
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:44,120
Speaker 1: even a little healthier, you know. Uh. And and America

454
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 1: is saying absolutely not, We're not doing that. In our eyes,

455
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 1: they're one and the same, tobacco and East cigarettes. So

456
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 1: some people are saying, well, there's blood on your hands,

457
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 1: the blood of four and eighty thousand Americans who die

458
00:27:55,960 --> 00:28:00,680
Speaker 1: from smoking every year, from smoking tobacco, that's the that's

459
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,919
Speaker 1: the stakes to all this. But nicotine itself and this

460
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 1: is in that Rolling Stone article too, is super interesting.

461
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 1: Do we do one of nicotine or just I know

462
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:10,959
Speaker 1: we did quite a few on smoking, We do one

463
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 1: on caffeine back in the day. But nicotine is interesting

464
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:18,879
Speaker 1: in that it is uh apparently if it's not in,

465
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 1: if it's not smoked, and if you remove it from

466
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 1: that cigarette, then it's fairly benign as a substance itself,

467
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,440
Speaker 1: although addictive as far as what it does to the body.

468
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,439
Speaker 1: But the weird thing is is that it it doesn't

469
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 1: do the same thing like it's sort of like this

470
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 1: little magic and that's why people smoke, probably this little

471
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 1: magic thing. If you're if you need to feel up

472
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 1: and your body wants to feel up, a cigarette can

473
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 1: make you feel up. But if you want to chill

474
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 1: out and relax, it can also do that. So it

475
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 1: has some pharmacological um magic yeah to it, which makes

476
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 1: it useful. But it's also again, as that article is

477
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 1: pointing out, it's been stigmatized ever since the seventies, and

478
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 1: that change in paradigm of what smoking is came about

479
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 1: nicotine got targeted. So let's talk about some of these

480
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 1: some of the things that have been found because one

481
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 1: of the one of the big problems also a big

482
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 1: objection to just allowing um, these cigarettes smoked anywhere, people

483
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 1: vaping wherever they want, is that when we don't know

484
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 1: very much about it. But too if we say, okay,

485
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 1: maybe smoking is not so bad. If you're not actually smoking,

486
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 1: you're just vaping, maybe that's not such a bad thing.

487
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 1: Maybe it is on par with like drinking or coffee

488
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 1: or whatever. Um, And teens start to take this up

489
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 1: and they are Um. The problem is is a lot

490
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 1: of people say, well, okay, we're turning our teens in

491
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 1: the nicotine addics. I have a problem with that. But

492
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 1: what if this whole vaping thing goes away and we've

493
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 1: got all these teenage nicotine addicts. Do you really think

494
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 1: they're not going to just start smoking cigarettes after after that, right,

495
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 1: or just do that anyway? Right? Apparently that's not necessarily happening.

496
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 1: That teens who are I feel like such an old

497
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 1: guy saying the word teens. Try saying tweens, tweens really old? Terrible?

498
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 1: Uh that teens and tweens um that when they are

499
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 1: trying this, they're trying it. Most of them are deciding

500
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 1: it's not for them and they're not going on to tobacco. Actually, well,

501
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 1: you're right, because they did a study. The CDC did

502
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 1: one that you said tripled in the past year among

503
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 1: the middle and high school students. But then you poke

504
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 1: into the study and it doesn't differentiate at all between

505
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 1: someone who just tried it once right waiting for the

506
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 1: school bus and a kid who really took it up.

507
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 1: So there, it's so funny that after depressing that after

508
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 1: all these years, there's still such bad studies, well bad reporting,

509
00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 1: Well that too. On the studies, I saw that the

510
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 1: CDC says that the cigarette smoking is down two thousand

511
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 1: fifteen to two thousand and sixteen. Sixteen percent of teenagers

512
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 1: had smoked or vaped in the last thirty days in

513
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 1: two thousand and fifteen. It was down to eleven point

514
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 1: three percent in two thousand and sixteen. And apparently tobacco

515
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 1: smoking tobacco is like holding steady at eight percent, but

516
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 1: like seven percent smoked cigars, which is hilarious. Remember that

517
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 1: cartoon baby that was like a bank robber who smoked

518
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 1: cigars On the Bugs Bunny, Yeah, on the Bugs Bunny.

519
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 1: You know the tweens love that. I did see on

520
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 1: some weird link researching all this. That very sad kid.

521
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 1: I think he was like Indonesian. That was the two

522
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 1: year old smoker. It was it was a follow up,

523
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 1: he's done't smoke now, um, but then he had a

524
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 1: lot of weight gain. But it seems like now he's

525
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 1: doing okay, all right, But it was like I hated

526
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 1: that people laughed and thought that was funny. Oh it

527
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 1: was disturbing. It was completely disturbing. Yeah, like a baby's

528
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 1: like a baby. Yeah, he could barely hold his head

529
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 1: up and he was smoking. And here we are laughing,

530
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 1: but not from that. It's laughing at how I said

531
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 1: baby exactly. Um, so where are the chemicals coming from? Then?

532
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 1: If they're not smoking tobacco, it's the problem. Well, I

533
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 1: mean it's some of it is is from the flavoring, right,

534
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 1: the flavoring, yeah, like that. This is a Harvard study.

535
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 1: The flavored e siggs contain that. I think that's when

536
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 1: you said diet diets. That was a different one. Oh

537
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 1: that's the popcorn flavor popcorn long yeah, butter flavored, and

538
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 1: that was I mean, we don't we're not saying it

539
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 1: tastes like that, but it is a chemical used in

540
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 1: artificial butter and back in the early two thousand's that

541
00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 1: was when he heard the term popcorn popcorn Latin. Well,

542
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 1: actually they do use as a buttery flavor in um

543
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 1: in in whenever you have a buttery flavored E sig

544
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 1: or vape. Right right, So these this what did you

545
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 1: call it? Diacet Yeah, diacet popcorn long is um Like

546
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 1: you said, it came from the early two thousands where

547
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 1: people who worked in microwave popcorn plants were coming down

548
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 1: with this irreversible scarring of the lungs and a cough

549
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 1: they couldn't kick. And it was from this molecule from

550
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 1: inhaling the molecule. Well, it turns out the amount of

551
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 1: diacet al that was that's found in even cigarettes, let

552
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 1: alone e cigarettes, is not nearly enough to give you

553
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 1: popcorn long right, But like you said, it's a bad,

554
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 1: bad reporting. That doesn't keep someone like our own beloved

555
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 1: mother Jones Heaven from saying headlines like flavored e s

556
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 1: eggs maybe worse than nicotine. I saw also that some

557
00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 1: other uh fruity flavors in a recent study on that

558
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 1: fruity flavors tended to be particularly toxic. Yeah, and um

559
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 1: I can't remember what the chemical was. And then cinnamon, vanilla,

560
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:17,399
Speaker 1: and buttery all had um all had bad reactions with

561
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 1: white blood cells that they think might promote long tissue

562
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 1: damage in the long run. It just seems so gross

563
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 1: to me. So like that's why if you're not smoking

564
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:32,720
Speaker 1: with nicotine and you're still inhaling all these chemicals for nothing,

565
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 1: I still I'm gonna double down. You're a dummy. Well,

566
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 1: the FDA, and this is a big deal. Um in April,

567
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 1: I think this was a couple of years ago, they

568
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 1: released these regulations, one of which said that in order

569
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 1: to get it passed through, each skew that is what

570
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 1: it's called in the biz, not just this business, but

571
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 1: you have a retail shop, like every little thing you

572
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 1: sell is called a skew. Each skew had to be approved,

573
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 1: and that means every single flavor is a different skew.

574
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 1: And the dude did the math and he was like,

575
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 1: we have two forty skews a hundred dollars an hour,

576
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 1: five million per scue, and he's like billions of dollars

577
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 1: basically to get all these stupid flavors approved. Right now

578
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 1: that now that the FDA has come in right, And

579
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 1: what this guy was saying was, we have spent decades

580
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 1: trying to get the tobacco companies stripped the power from them,

581
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 1: and now that the cigarettes are a thing, and now

582
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 1: they're being regulated, you just gut it out the independent

583
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 1: businesses which left big tobacco this huge vacuum to come

584
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 1: in and be like, Okay, here your e cigarettes courtesy

585
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 1: of us Big Tobacco. Are they doing that? Already been

586
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 1: screwing you over for decades. Yeah, so they're making the

587
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 1: six now. Yeah. I believe Altria, who makes Marlboro, came

588
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:02,320
Speaker 1: out with the marked and like almost immediately really once

589
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,839
Speaker 1: they hit the US in like two thousand seven or right.

590
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 1: I'm surprised Big Tobacco hasn't gotten in on the cannabis thing.

591
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 1: I can't believe they're not, because cannabis vaping is a

592
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 1: big thing now too. Yeah. Well, that guy in the

593
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:15,840
Speaker 1: Rolling Stone article was saying, like a lot of his

594
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 1: colleagues are being like, forget nicotine and I'm going over

595
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 1: to cannabis. It's less regulated. Really basically I'm paraphrasing here.

596
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 1: That's funny, though, you got anything else? Uh, well, just

597
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:32,240
Speaker 1: that last study we we never finally said the results

598
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 1: this u C. SFS Division of Adolescent Medicine. They tested

599
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 1: sixty seventeens who vape compared to sixteens who vape and

600
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:46,319
Speaker 1: smoke and twenty who did not do either, And of

601
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 1: course they found out that if you do both, it's

602
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,839
Speaker 1: a lot higher. If you vape, it's still high. If

603
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 1: you don't do anything, then you're fine. It's kind of

604
00:36:55,520 --> 00:37:01,319
Speaker 1: a no duh study apparently. Also, some of the um

605
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 1: depending on what chemicals like formale hyde, can really come

606
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 1: out of the flavorings or the vegetable glycerin um or

607
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 1: the propylene glycol I think, or reactions between these things.

608
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:20,359
Speaker 1: But it's also very temperature dependent. The higher temperatures they

609
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 1: can they can create some really toxic stuff, but at

610
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 1: lower temperatures you can inhale the same stuff and the

611
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 1: um those chemicals are not created. But if you're blowing

612
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 1: fat clouds, you're probably at a higher temperature. Yeah, so

613
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:39,280
Speaker 1: you are probably getting the worst of the worst chemicals

614
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 1: that your cartridge has to offer. Yeah, I think a

615
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 1: lot of those pins. You can vary the temp depending

616
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 1: on what you want to get out of it. Right

617
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,240
Speaker 1: for after like a certain price point I would guess.

618
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 1: And then lastly, one of the thing that whole jazz

619
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 1: about how you're just exhaling water vapor that is almost

620
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 1: certainly not the case. So you're exhaling some of those

621
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 1: chemicals into your cubicle neighbors face. I mean, at the

622
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 1: very least, like it's not like, oh, we should be

623
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 1: able to do this in movie theaters and restaurants because

624
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:13,919
Speaker 1: it's not smoke, it's still obnoxious. You look like a dope. Yeah,

625
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:16,799
Speaker 1: with that flannel tight around your wife. Boy, we're gonna

626
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 1: hear from vapors. They're gonna be mad. Uh. If you

627
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 1: want to know more about vaping, read about this, don't

628
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:26,839
Speaker 1: go take it up. That was another problem that people

629
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 1: were saying, is like, there, if it's touted as like

630
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 1: harmless or whatever, people might be like, well, I was

631
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 1: putting off smoking because I didn't want to die, but

632
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 1: maybe I'll try this vaping thing, right, don't do that.

633
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 1: Just go read about it, figure out what you think

634
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Speaker 1: about it, and then don't vape or smoke it, says I.

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Speaker 1: The house was shabby, but the ruins I had I

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Speaker 1: was very kind to me, and you couldn't help but

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