WEBVTT - Space Junk in the Trunk

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind from how Stuff

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<v Speaker 1>Works dot com. Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind.

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Robert Lamb, and my name is Julie Douglas. Julie,

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<v Speaker 1>you've been camping before, right, Yes, I have. So you

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<v Speaker 1>know the deal. Leave no trades, right, leave nothing behind

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<v Speaker 1>you bringing all your stuff, whether you're bringing in a

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<v Speaker 1>backpack or a whole truckload of camping equipment, you need

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<v Speaker 1>to leave with only your thing, taking only memories with you,

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<v Speaker 1>and leaving no litter behind, right, I mean, that's that's

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<v Speaker 1>the way it works. You don't just bury all your

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<v Speaker 1>pots and pants and then market Well yeah, well, I mean, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're coming back at the same camping place, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>you could make that argument. But okay, I see, I

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<v Speaker 1>see a concept that you're coming up here. But the

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<v Speaker 1>whole idea is that we want to be able to

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<v Speaker 1>come back to that place and enjoy it in its

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<v Speaker 1>natural form without having to put up with a bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of litter and a bunch of garbage changing that environment. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>we generinally don't have to worry though about that potter

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<v Speaker 1>pan that Julie left behind at the campsite. Traveling at

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<v Speaker 1>immense speeds like five miles per second and smashing through

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<v Speaker 1>my crania right, clocking us in the head. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>that's just not a problem here at our campsites on Earth.

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<v Speaker 1>But out there in the in the wild yonder it

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<v Speaker 1>is a problem, right, which is directly tied to this

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<v Speaker 1>idea of this big sky theory. Right, right, the big

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<v Speaker 1>sky theory. I mean, the answer is in the words there,

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<v Speaker 1>big sky. There's a lot of sky, There's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of space. It's huge. We couldn't possibly litter enough to

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<v Speaker 1>make space junk a problem, right, That was the old

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<v Speaker 1>way of looking at If you have a space mission

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<v Speaker 1>to go up there, solar panel floats off, no big deal,

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<v Speaker 1>there's plenty of room, some nuts and bolts fought in

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<v Speaker 1>the pockets, no big deal. Satellites dead, and I just

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<v Speaker 1>leave it there. This big sky theory, we can we

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<v Speaker 1>can just leave everything wherever it happens to die and

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<v Speaker 1>it'll never be a problem. It'll never come home to roost,

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<v Speaker 1>this problem of space junk. Uh. But it is a

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<v Speaker 1>problem that has come home to roost. NASA has tracked

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<v Speaker 1>around on sixteen thousand bits of debris. That's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>measuring over ten sent meters about four inches, but there

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<v Speaker 1>are millions of smaller bits and pieces that are thought

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<v Speaker 1>to be swarming up in the cosmos. And the more

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<v Speaker 1>we've involved ourselves in orbit and an owner space, the

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<v Speaker 1>more stuff we wind up with up there. Like just

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<v Speaker 1>to look at sort of the timeline for this, if

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<v Speaker 1>we look back at two thousand and five, we had

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<v Speaker 1>a catalog of debris up there somewhere in the neighborhood

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<v Speaker 1>of ten thousand pieces, and that's just stuff that we

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<v Speaker 1>were tracking in New off Specifically, by two thousand ten,

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<v Speaker 1>that number had reached fifteen thousand, so it's risen by

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<v Speaker 1>five thousand pieces of space junk. And just that short

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<v Speaker 1>amount of time, and fast forward to today, you have

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<v Speaker 1>more and more players in the space game, involving themselves

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<v Speaker 1>in the space game and taking that the big sky

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<v Speaker 1>approach to space exploration. Well, especially when you get into

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<v Speaker 1>the privatized territory as well, right, this becomes a real issue.

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<v Speaker 1>The other issue is that space junk travels at speeds

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<v Speaker 1>up to seventeen thousand, five hundred miles per hour, So

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<v Speaker 1>that's fast enough for a tiny piece of debris to

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<v Speaker 1>damage a satellite or spacecraft it's really big concerned or

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<v Speaker 1>the International Space Station, which we will talk about later,

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<v Speaker 1>can finentially set up a chain reaction where you have

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<v Speaker 1>one pieces suddenly crashing into another and which causes debris

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<v Speaker 1>to spiral out from that to hit other pieces. In

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<v Speaker 1>many cases we're talking about dead objects hitting other pieces

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<v Speaker 1>of garbage. But then what happens when this stuff collides

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<v Speaker 1>with operative telecommunication satellites or exploratory missions or manned missions.

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<v Speaker 1>You can see where this becomes a very dangerous problem

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<v Speaker 1>very quickly. That's something called cascading collisions. This idea that

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<v Speaker 1>things are slamming into each other and just creating more

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<v Speaker 1>and more and more debris. So this has come home

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<v Speaker 1>to roost. And let's talk about back in the day.

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<v Speaker 1>Back in the seventies when this was just a theory,

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<v Speaker 1>and a guy named Donald Kessler, who was assigned to

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<v Speaker 1>the Environmental Effects Project Office at NASA's Johnson Space Center

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<v Speaker 1>in Houston, became very interested in the craft that was

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<v Speaker 1>abandoned and the void. Yeah, he wrote an important paper

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<v Speaker 1>at the time. It's become more important over time. Originally

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<v Speaker 1>he was having to really sort of shot on the

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<v Speaker 1>mountain to get people to listen to him, But he

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<v Speaker 1>wrote a paper called Collision Frequency of Artificial Satellites the

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<v Speaker 1>Creation of a good rebelt, and his argument was that

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<v Speaker 1>if we and this is early on, everyone else's seems

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<v Speaker 1>to be sticking to this big sky theory. But Kessler says, look,

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<v Speaker 1>if we don't start controlling this now, if we don't

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<v Speaker 1>start mitigating the problem now, we are going to reach

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<v Speaker 1>a point where we basically have a belt of debris

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<v Speaker 1>around the planet. If you've ever seen the movie Wally,

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<v Speaker 1>the depictions of Earth in that which the Earth is

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<v Speaker 1>just so crowded with satellites that for anything to enter

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<v Speaker 1>or exit Or's atmosphere they have to sort of move

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<v Speaker 1>things out of the way. That's basically what he's talking about,

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<v Speaker 1>except in his scenario, we reach a point with that

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<v Speaker 1>to where we are stranded on Earth. Basically we are

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<v Speaker 1>suddenly limited by what we can do and what we

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<v Speaker 1>can explore in space. We kind of dig our own grave,

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<v Speaker 1>you will, by just clotting our atmosphere with all of

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<v Speaker 1>this junk. Yeah yeah, well not our atmosphere, but our uproar,

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<v Speaker 1>right right, I mean, it does constrain our ability to

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<v Speaker 1>explore the universe because it's kind of hard to launch

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<v Speaker 1>something and then know that it's going to be taken

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<v Speaker 1>out by a story piece of space junk. But he

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<v Speaker 1>was basically saying, look, I estimate this to happen in

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<v Speaker 1>the thirty to forty years. Now. This was alarming. It

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<v Speaker 1>really was an eye opener. Even though people like our

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<v Speaker 1>thirsty Clark, who actually conceived a communication satellite, had talked

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<v Speaker 1>about this in the forties, I believe it was really

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<v Speaker 1>Kessler who spent the time looking out at the Cosmos

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<v Speaker 1>and looking through his telescope and saying, Okay, guys, this

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<v Speaker 1>is this is real polity. This is a bigger problem

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<v Speaker 1>than we thought. His vision of it was very apocular.

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<v Speaker 1>Who was who's talking about like a new dark Age?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah he was. Yeah. He was actually saying that

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<v Speaker 1>it would take a civilization down to the studs. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, he's fictioning it up a little bit, but

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<v Speaker 1>maybe not too much. You know, that is the idea

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<v Speaker 1>extrapolated to the denth degree. Right, you can take down

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<v Speaker 1>on the communication satellites and you know, all this sort

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<v Speaker 1>of technology that we do with today and our life

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<v Speaker 1>is predicated on, and you could really sort of fold

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<v Speaker 1>up humanity in the sense. But but we're we're not there.

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<v Speaker 1>I do want to say that NASA set up the

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<v Speaker 1>Orbital Debris Program Office in response to Cussler's paper, but

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not gonna say it's a two. It was a

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<v Speaker 1>toothless organization, but it wasn't It was didn't really seem

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<v Speaker 1>like a big concern. It's like, oh, yeah, this could happen,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's a theory, let's set a committee and uh,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean you know how that yeah, yeah, and the

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<v Speaker 1>guidelines they didn't really help to actually reduce space waste.

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<v Speaker 1>So here we are, thirty years later, right on time,

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand and nine, we have a couple of events

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<v Speaker 1>that really usher in this idea that Kessler didn't just

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<v Speaker 1>have a theory. It is a syndrome. And that's why

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<v Speaker 1>it's called custlers. Yeah. February ten, two thousand nine, we

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<v Speaker 1>had two satellites, Iridium thirty three, which is flying north

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<v Speaker 1>relaying a phone conversations. And then there was this long

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<v Speaker 1>retired Russian communication satellite called Cosmos and it's just tumbling

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<v Speaker 1>east and an uncontrolled orbit. So you have an active

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<v Speaker 1>satellite and an inactive satellite and then they collide. And

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<v Speaker 1>this was not even a collision that was on the

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<v Speaker 1>forecast because at this time we knew some of the

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<v Speaker 1>stuff that was going on there and we can sort

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<v Speaker 1>of excrapolate what might run into what what time. But

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<v Speaker 1>this wasn't even scheduled to happen, if you will. They

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<v Speaker 1>just ram into each other and of course just completely

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<v Speaker 1>annihilate each other, and they create all these other pieces

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<v Speaker 1>of debris. Right, they smashed into something like a two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand one pieces. And this is over the Siberian tundra.

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<v Speaker 1>And although it doesn't really affect us too much, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean I think there's some drop calls from this one collision. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>the fact of the matter is, again, this debris, this

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<v Speaker 1>cloud of debris was created, and we know that that

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<v Speaker 1>begets even more and more debris. And it was a

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<v Speaker 1>big wake up call. And according to wire dot com

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<v Speaker 1>Evan L. Schwartz great article in this he said that

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<v Speaker 1>each chard an orbiting cannonball capable of destroying yet another

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<v Speaker 1>hunk of high priced hardware. That's the real problem there, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean expense going into any of these satellites, communications

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<v Speaker 1>or otherwise. So the idea that you just have junk

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<v Speaker 1>up there that could conceivably just wipe it out. People

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<v Speaker 1>suddenly started taking even more notice following this two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and nine event. Yep, So pretty soon in a military

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<v Speaker 1>unit called the Space Surveillance Network was set up. They

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<v Speaker 1>began to monitor the debris by They were looking at

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<v Speaker 1>one thousand active satellites, three thousand, seven hundred inactive satellites

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<v Speaker 1>and rocket pieces, and another fifteen thousand, three hundred objects

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<v Speaker 1>the size of a fist or larger. And these numbers

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<v Speaker 1>started to bear out this idea that we could have

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<v Speaker 1>maybe seventy five collisions a day, and that doesn't include

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<v Speaker 1>the half million smaller pieces of debris the size of

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<v Speaker 1>a marble or larger, all of which is again capable

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<v Speaker 1>of just wiping out satellites or you know, other things

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<v Speaker 1>that are very valuable to us. Another key incident that happened,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is just a few months after the Cosmos

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<v Speaker 1>Iridium collision, and I think I imagine most of you

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<v Speaker 1>remember this. I remember it because working here at how

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<v Speaker 1>stuff works and anything news the inside I see that happens.

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<v Speaker 1>We suddenly latch onto a bit and this was big

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<v Speaker 1>news because two thousand nine, suddenly there's an object, piece

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<v Speaker 1>of space junk headed towards the International Space Station. So

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<v Speaker 1>this is an immensely expensive piece of equipment here. We're

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<v Speaker 1>talking in excess of a hundred billion dollars worth of equipment,

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<v Speaker 1>human beings on board, a lot invested in this. This

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<v Speaker 1>is part of our space legacy moving forward. And there's

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<v Speaker 1>a piece of junk headed towards it that could conceivably

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<v Speaker 1>white it all out. So we have to rush everybody

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<v Speaker 1>on board into essentially a lifeboat kind of a panic room,

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<v Speaker 1>right yeah, because they're like, all right, we might miss us,

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<v Speaker 1>but it might hit you, and if it hits us,

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna have to somehow save you, guys. So get

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<v Speaker 1>into this lifeboat and want to see what happens. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>Luckily it missed by a few miles, but it's still

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<v Speaker 1>in the vasts of space. I mean, that's like shaving

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<v Speaker 1>off a little piece of hair on your head there.

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<v Speaker 1>And it was like a couple of months after that,

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<v Speaker 1>another piece of space junk hurled towards the International Space Station,

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<v Speaker 1>this time missing them by just a mile. And this

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<v Speaker 1>frag meant would have had an impact equal to a

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<v Speaker 1>truck bomb. In fact, I've got a quote here from

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<v Speaker 1>Jack Bacon, he's a senior NASA scientist. He says, a

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<v Speaker 1>ten centimeter sphere of aluminum would be like seven kilograms

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<v Speaker 1>of T and T it would blow everything to smith rings.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, we can shield these things to a certain degree.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a project at NASA Johnson Space Center in Houston

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<v Speaker 1>where they basically take chunks of plastic and basically space

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<v Speaker 1>junk and they just fire them at shields and panels

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<v Speaker 1>to see exactly what the damages. And they're able to determine.

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<v Speaker 1>Within a certain size of space junk, they can sort

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<v Speaker 1>of shield something out. But when you're getting these larger pieces,

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<v Speaker 1>it becomes increasingly impossible to create a space vessel or

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<v Speaker 1>a satellite. They could withstand that kind of damage, right, right,

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<v Speaker 1>especially when you're talking about delicate of material such as

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<v Speaker 1>solar of cells. Yeah, and just to give everybody an

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<v Speaker 1>idea too, I mean we're talking again. I think you

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<v Speaker 1>talked about this, some tools or some nuts and bolts,

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<v Speaker 1>that kind of space junk to the size of rocket stages,

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<v Speaker 1>the size of school buses. There's an immense variety of

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<v Speaker 1>based junk up there. Now. One might ask doesn't all

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<v Speaker 1>this stuff eventually just fall into the Earth's atmosphere and

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<v Speaker 1>burn up, because that was part of the big sky

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<v Speaker 1>theory as well, that all right, if we'll leave something

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<v Speaker 1>up there, it's not gonna be a problem. And b

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<v Speaker 1>it's eventually just going to drift down and re enter

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<v Speaker 1>the Earth atmosphere and probably burn up and or land

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<v Speaker 1>in the middle of nowhere or more likely in the

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<v Speaker 1>middle of the ocean somewhere, which is what most reinering does. Occasionally,

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<v Speaker 1>something will fall on somebody's backyard and it's a local

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<v Speaker 1>news story, front page for the next five years. But

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<v Speaker 1>for the most part, yes, that's true, it just falls

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<v Speaker 1>in the middle of nowhere. But it can take decades

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<v Speaker 1>for something in orbit to actually re enter the atmosphere,

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<v Speaker 1>which is why you still have some of the original

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<v Speaker 1>satellites that went up there. I mean, they're all still

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<v Speaker 1>up there and again, and not all of them burn

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<v Speaker 1>up upon re entry, right, because it depends on the size, right, Right,

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<v Speaker 1>depends on the size of rocket stage. The size of

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<v Speaker 1>school bus isn't necessarily going to burn up there. So

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna take a quick break and when we get back,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to talk about this idea of how we

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<v Speaker 1>can in teen space junk and getting our janitorial services

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<v Speaker 1>up there and taking care of it. All Right, we're back.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to throw out another quick fact. This is

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<v Speaker 1>from the Wired article you mentioned earlier. But nineteen sixty

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<v Speaker 1>two that's when the kel Star one satellite relaid the

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<v Speaker 1>first phone call and TV signals across the Atlantic and

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<v Speaker 1>ended up failing the next year. So nine three this

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<v Speaker 1>thing dies. It's still up there, just up there doing nothing,

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<v Speaker 1>just a big piece of space junk floating around. And

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<v Speaker 1>and in the decades since, of course, we've rolled out

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<v Speaker 1>more and more stuff. Just to give you a little

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<v Speaker 1>idea about how we end up with that huge number

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<v Speaker 1>of fifteen thousand plot well, now it's up to sixteen

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<v Speaker 1>thousand pieces of space jump. Yeah. I mean it's really

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<v Speaker 1>hard to actually keep tabs on anyway, because, as we

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<v Speaker 1>talked about, it's you know, you have some particles that

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<v Speaker 1>are so small that you can't even really engage them

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<v Speaker 1>or track them. I should say. Another incident that kind

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<v Speaker 1>of woke everyone up to the dangers and the problems

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<v Speaker 1>posted by space Junk of January eleven, two thousand seven,

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<v Speaker 1>the Chinese government stayed this demonstration of its military might

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<v Speaker 1>by basically shooting down or not really shooting down, but

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<v Speaker 1>blowing up one of its retired satellites with something called

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<v Speaker 1>a kinetic kill vehicle, so to demonstrate that they had

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<v Speaker 1>the potential to take out a satellite, which in a

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<v Speaker 1>military scenario would be very valuable if you satellite our

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<v Speaker 1>keys to tall communication networks, to our ability to get

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<v Speaker 1>strategic information about what an enemy is doing. And they

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<v Speaker 1>were demonstrating, yes, we can take these out satellite killing technology.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's that's been on the military playlist for

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<v Speaker 1>some time now. But they demonstrate this. They blow up

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<v Speaker 1>this old satellite. Big deal, right, They're just shooting some

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<v Speaker 1>junk in the backyard. There are people out in the

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<v Speaker 1>sticks that do that every day. But when they shot

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<v Speaker 1>this thing, it blasted into three thousand trackable pieces. That's

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<v Speaker 1>just trackable pieces, but three thousands. So one military demonstration later,

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<v Speaker 1>that number we have that tally of measurable space junk

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<v Speaker 1>up there rises by three thousand pieces. Yeah, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>it was a total jerk move. I mean it's really irresponsible,

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<v Speaker 1>knowing what we know to a certain degree now. But

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<v Speaker 1>the problem with this is six percent of the pieces

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<v Speaker 1>have re entered the atmosphere. And here's the interesting thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Half of those pieces came down in the last twelve months,

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<v Speaker 1>and this has to do with increased solar activity, which

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<v Speaker 1>normally we kind of it's not something we get really

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<v Speaker 1>excited about in terms of like, yeah, increased solar activity.

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<v Speaker 1>This idea of solar maximum or peak activity could actually

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<v Speaker 1>be a boon to us in terms of cleaning up

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<v Speaker 1>space junk. Right, the Sun, as we've mentioned before, is

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<v Speaker 1>pumping out energy. It's pumping out energy of the Earth,

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<v Speaker 1>and some of this is shielded by our electromagnetic field,

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<v Speaker 1>but the rest of it actually reaches the Earth. Powers

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<v Speaker 1>the Earth gives us a lot of the stuff we need,

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<v Speaker 1>and if we have all the space junk floating around

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<v Speaker 1>out there, an increase in that solar activity can stir

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<v Speaker 1>things up a bit. Yeah. In fact, if we've got

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<v Speaker 1>these solar players in these kernal mass ejections, which by

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<v Speaker 1>the way, when I talk about this solar maximum, this

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<v Speaker 1>peak activity is eleven year period that is going to

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<v Speaker 1>come to fruition in I believe in terms of the

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<v Speaker 1>ultimate amount of solar activity. So I think of it

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<v Speaker 1>as blasting the atmosphere with heat with these solar players

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<v Speaker 1>and coronal mass ejections from you know, sort of raining

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<v Speaker 1>upon the Earth's atmosphere. This causes the atmosphere to expand,

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<v Speaker 1>and this expansion pushes some of the gas to higher altitudes,

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<v Speaker 1>which creates drag on orbiting space debris that causes it

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<v Speaker 1>to slow down. And then as the debris slows down

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<v Speaker 1>or gravity pulls it to the lower altitudes where the

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<v Speaker 1>atmosphere is even thicker. So then you get even more drag, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you get slower debris. So eventually debris re

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<v Speaker 1>enters the atmosphere sooner than it would without the solar influence.

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<v Speaker 1>And here's here's the good news. It burns up safely

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<v Speaker 1>for the most part. So that's why we've seen such

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<v Speaker 1>an influx of that Chinese satellite that those pieces coming in.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's this idea that the Sun could actually be

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<v Speaker 1>very helpful at least until when it when it reaches

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<v Speaker 1>its peak capacity or maximum output in the eleven year

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<v Speaker 1>period and helping us to keep taps on this of it. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so we're keeping tabs, we've been keeping tabs. Occasionally the

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<v Speaker 1>Sun might accidentally help out sort of solar hoovering. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but what else are we doing, right, that's the big question.

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<v Speaker 1>We can exercise a little bit of forethought in the

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<v Speaker 1>way we plan missions and uh, you know, moving forward.

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<v Speaker 1>But there's still a lot of junk up there. What

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<v Speaker 1>are we doing give anything to clean it up? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>there's something called the Swiss Janitor satellite. This comes to

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<v Speaker 1>us from the Swiss Space Center at EPFL and that's

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<v Speaker 1>the launch of the clean Space one. This was back

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<v Speaker 1>in February, I believe, and it's a project that developed

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<v Speaker 1>and built the first installment of a family of what

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<v Speaker 1>they see as satellites that are especially designed to clean

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<v Speaker 1>up space debris. And the idea is to launch a

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<v Speaker 1>small grabber spacecraft to chase after orbiting pieces of space junk,

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<v Speaker 1>and then it'll attach itself to it de orbit and

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<v Speaker 1>the whole Incholado then re enters the atmosphere where it

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<v Speaker 1>burns up on re entry. There are a few other

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<v Speaker 1>plans to that involve basically micro satellites are many satellites

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<v Speaker 1>that around and essentially net this stuff up and kind

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<v Speaker 1>of form like not really a Katamari ball, but they

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<v Speaker 1>form a nice big sack of space traction then bring

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<v Speaker 1>it back to the atmosphere to Another tactic that we've

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<v Speaker 1>been using is making sure that we take retiring spacecraft

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<v Speaker 1>up to a graveyard orbit so that we know they're

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<v Speaker 1>going out of commission. Well, let's move them into an

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<v Speaker 1>orbit where they're not going to be interfering with anything.

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<v Speaker 1>It's actually active, okay, So just sort of pushing it

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<v Speaker 1>away from us a little bit more, right in the

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<v Speaker 1>same way that you move your junk car into the

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<v Speaker 1>backyard as opposed to leaving it in the front yard.

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<v Speaker 1>It's still there, you just can't see it from the

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<v Speaker 1>street right right, house values go up. There's this idea

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<v Speaker 1>of using little puffs of gas that I kind of like.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just from a team from the University of Michigan,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're thinking about using pulses of gas fired into

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<v Speaker 1>the path of debris and this would increase again the

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<v Speaker 1>drag on orbiting space junk, leaving it to plunge downward

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<v Speaker 1>into the Earth's atmosphere, and the pulses themselves would leave

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<v Speaker 1>no no trace. So there we get our our boy

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<v Speaker 1>scouts creta there, and it also leaves no solid material

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<v Speaker 1>in orbit. Another really interesting tactic that NASA is pretty

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<v Speaker 1>excited about comes from Tether's Unlimited. This is a Seattle

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<v Speaker 1>area space contractor and they've been working on this idea

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<v Speaker 1>for years. But their idea is to create this thing

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<v Speaker 1>called a wrestler, which is a mid sized vehicle about

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<v Speaker 1>four hundred pounds, and it piggybacks a ride on other satellites.

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<v Speaker 1>So it so the idea here is, let's cut some corners.

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<v Speaker 1>It'll just hit your ride with some sort of big

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<v Speaker 1>price e corporat or national supported telecommunication satellite launch or

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<v Speaker 1>or mission launch. And then once up there, it's saying

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<v Speaker 1>to pull off this really neat tethering technique. So it

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<v Speaker 1>goes into orbit and it sidles up to this piece

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<v Speaker 1>of space junk and it detaches an electrodynamic tether. This

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<v Speaker 1>is a wire mesh tail. It's up to six miles long,

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<v Speaker 1>and then it shoots an amp of current through that

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<v Speaker 1>material and this current interacts with the Earth's magnetic field,

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<v Speaker 1>producing a drag effect that lowers the debris towards the

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<v Speaker 1>atmosphere and re entry. Yeah, and that one's really cool

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<v Speaker 1>because that seems pretty promising in the perspective of gathering

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<v Speaker 1>up debris, but not only that, just being able to

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<v Speaker 1>afford it. I think that was estimated somewhere in the

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<v Speaker 1>tens of millions whereas some of the other ideas and

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<v Speaker 1>projects we're talking in the billions. Yeah, they're saying this

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<v Speaker 1>one would just to do a test mission, mind you,

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<v Speaker 1>that would take out a few tons of trash, would

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<v Speaker 1>be tens of millions of dollars, which which again puts

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<v Speaker 1>this whole problem into perspective. Like like so many problems

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<v Speaker 1>that humans get themselves into on a personal or national scale,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't work on a problem early enough, it ends

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<v Speaker 1>up costing you far more later on, and it reaches

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<v Speaker 1>a point where you have to either pay that bill

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<v Speaker 1>or just be content with sticking where you are. Well.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is the kind of problem too, is just

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<v Speaker 1>like your house if you don't necessarily want to put

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<v Speaker 1>all your money into, you know, redoing the roof, but

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<v Speaker 1>you have to write because otherwise you're going to be

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<v Speaker 1>explicit to the elements. But that's not the cool thing

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<v Speaker 1>you see from the street. Same thing with Nassa's like,

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<v Speaker 1>that's not our flashy cool stuff. It really do need

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<v Speaker 1>to take care of the space chunk. The problem is

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<v Speaker 1>that they don't necessarily have a gigantic budget in the

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<v Speaker 1>first place, and it's certainly not something that they have

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<v Speaker 1>dedicated to this problem in the budget from last year,

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<v Speaker 1>they started the four thousand dollar research grants to try

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<v Speaker 1>to look into this, and that idea that you just

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<v Speaker 1>talked about was was in there and very viable. So

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<v Speaker 1>it's just a question about of when and how many

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<v Speaker 1>dollars are gonna lay down here, and then it's a

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<v Speaker 1>question of exponential numbers here. Again, this is from Evan L. Schwartz,

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<v Speaker 1>he says, and this is the Wired article waste management.

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<v Speaker 1>He says, it's proliferations based junk threatens not only current

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<v Speaker 1>in future space missions, but also global communications, mobile phone networks,

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<v Speaker 1>satellite television, radio broadcasts, weather tracking, military surveillance, even the

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<v Speaker 1>dashboard GPS devices that keep us from getting lost. The

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<v Speaker 1>number of manufactured objects cluttering the sky is now expected

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<v Speaker 1>to double every few years as large objects weaken and

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<v Speaker 1>split apart, and new collisions create more castlerian debris leading

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<v Speaker 1>to yet more collisions. So it's kind of a runaway

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<v Speaker 1>environment here. Yeah, and like we said before, it affects

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<v Speaker 1>modern life on so many levels. I mean telecommunications certainly,

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<v Speaker 1>space exploration, but national security. Just again, our entire tell

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<v Speaker 1>communications network, it is growing to depend on these satellites.

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<v Speaker 1>Now you could argue, I guess that if we had

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<v Speaker 1>a completely garbaged up orbit, if we had this good

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<v Speaker 1>rebout going on, then that it would be harder for

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<v Speaker 1>say like a vampire spaceship to drift into our atmosphere

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<v Speaker 1>and cause problems, or the or the head of a

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<v Speaker 1>planet sized transformer. Um, you know, good luck getting into

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<v Speaker 1>our junk up atmosphere and causing trouble for the denizens

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<v Speaker 1>of Earth. But on the other hand, we we might

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<v Speaker 1>be trapped in this dark age that Clark warned us about.

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<v Speaker 1>It's possible, But I mean, I think that the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that it's come to life and it's now a priority,

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<v Speaker 1>and that people are realizing that space junk may drop

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<v Speaker 1>in your backyard if it's not under control pretty soon

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<v Speaker 1>as a problem. Yeah. And if I know anything about

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<v Speaker 1>the human species, once we know that there's a problem

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<v Speaker 1>and we know that we've been causing it, we're really

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<v Speaker 1>good about fixing it and addressing it. So I think

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<v Speaker 1>you're right. Let's be optimistic about this. Okay, now, now

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<v Speaker 1>you're just being facetious. Let's just put that out there

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<v Speaker 1>on the line, all right, So there you go, space drunk,

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<v Speaker 1>Let's work on it. Let's come up with some ideas.

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<v Speaker 1>Julie and I tackle a different science experiment that you

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<v Speaker 1>us to the cosmos. So the idea is, as the

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