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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Breaking news tonight, did a glamorous au pair just twenty

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Speaker 2: three scheme an elaborate murder plot where her boss turned

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Speaker 2: lover's wife is found stabbed dead? And just how did

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Speaker 2: a complete stranger who happens to be a bondage and

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Speaker 2: disciplined fetishist end up shot dead on the floor beside

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Speaker 2: the wife. Good evening, I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime

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Speaker 2: Stories and I want to thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 3: This morning. At seven nine am, we received a cell

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Speaker 3: phone nine one one call that was an open line

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Speaker 3: hang up. That call was captured and noted, and thirteen

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Speaker 3: minutes later, at eight oh two am, we received a

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Speaker 3: cell phone nine one one call from the very same

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Speaker 3: cell phone, and two persons communicated with our nine one

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Speaker 3: one call taker, the husband of this home, who I

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Speaker 3: am not going to identify beyond identifying him as a husband,

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Speaker 3: and the pair who resides in this home, who I

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Speaker 3: AM not going to identify beyond describing her as an

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Speaker 3: O pair. At that eight h two nine one one

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Speaker 3: with the nine one one call taker. The husband tells

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Speaker 3: the nine one one call taker that he just shot

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Speaker 3: a man inside of his home, and the husband tells

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Speaker 3: the nine one one call taker that the man who

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Speaker 3: he had just shot had stabbed his life.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I got so many questions just based on what

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Speaker 2: I just heard.

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Speaker 1: So how did this loving.

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Speaker 2: And faithful wife that we know of end up stabbed

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Speaker 2: dead in the family home? And then a complete stranger

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Speaker 2: doing in the home and he's dead? Now another thing

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Speaker 2: I find highly curious. And let me just go straight

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Speaker 2: out to Barry Golden for a senior inspector for the

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Speaker 2: US Marshall Service, old owner of Golden Consulting Investigations. Barry,

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Speaker 2: when you've got a double homicide, typically sheriffs and you

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Speaker 2: were just hearing the Chief of the Fairfax County Police,

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Speaker 2: Kevin Davis speaking. Normally they give you more information and

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Speaker 2: you rarely hear them say the husband who I'm not

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Speaker 1: That just makes me want to know who are they

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Speaker 1: more than ever.

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Speaker 4: Yes, Well, we now know that the husband was a

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Speaker 4: federal law enforcement officer and a person trained. So when

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Speaker 4: that person finds out that an unknown male is in

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Speaker 4: his house. Okay, you're a trained law enforcement officer. If

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Speaker 4: you're like most law enforcement officers, wherever you go, you

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Speaker 4: the house, You're gonna wonder who is this guy? Is

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Speaker 4: he robbing? Is he doing something to my wife? So

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Speaker 4: there are a lot of questions that I have. What

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Speaker 4: happened in those seconds when he arrives back at the

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Speaker 4: was going on where there's screams? And then what happens

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Speaker 4: when he gets to the door. A lot of those

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Speaker 2: Okay, Barry Golden, you're perfect for these questions with me

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Speaker 2: an all star panel. I'm going to get to everybody

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Speaker 2: in just one moment. Barry Golden a for senior Inspective

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Speaker 2: with the US Marshall Service. And let me tell you something.

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Speaker 2: You want something done, you call the US Marshals. They

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Speaker 2: will find your guy no matter where they are or woman.

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Speaker 1: Barry.

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Speaker 2: But another question I'm asking is why is LA law

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Speaker 2: enforcement withholding the name not only the husband, but the

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Speaker 2: twenty three year old of pair.

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Speaker 4: Well, at that point in time when that Chief of

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Speaker 4: an hour hours right after the incident. So they want

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Speaker 4: to keep some of that information close to their chest.

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Speaker 5: Right now.

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Speaker 4: It's early in the investigation, so they don't want to

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Speaker 2: Okay, gotcha, Okay, I will accept that right now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I will accept that. I think you're right about that.

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Speaker 2: They didn't really understand what was happening or what they

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Speaker 2: Take a listen to more from Chief Kevin Davis, Fairfax County.

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Speaker 3: The first nine to one one call came from me

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Speaker 3: what we now know to be the O pair celphone.

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Speaker 3: Thirteen minutes later from the scene nine one one from

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Speaker 3: the husband told us that he shot and killed a

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Speaker 2: Oh Man Alexis Tereshchak joining me crimeonline dot Com investigative reporter.

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Speaker 2: This is very complex, so I just want to take

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Speaker 2: it one step at a time. So the husband comes home,

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Speaker 2: for whatever reason, he goes in the home. As Barry

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Speaker 2: Golden pointed out, something led him to pull his weapon,

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Speaker 1: But there were two nine one one calls.

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Speaker 2: The first one nobody said anything and then hung up,

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Speaker 2: and then there was a second nine one one call.

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Speaker 1: Is that correct?

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Speaker 6: That's exactly right. There was a nimal one call and

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Speaker 6: it had an open line, which meant that the operator

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Speaker 6: please come help me. There's been a break in. Somebody's

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Speaker 6: being shot or murdered. So they immediately that I will

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Speaker 6: automatically send the police officers. The operator will send the

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Speaker 6: police officer to the home and open nine on one

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Speaker 6: call is very suspicious. Thirteen minutes later, they get a

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Speaker 6: second call and it is from the O pair's phone,

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Speaker 6: and this is where the husband has said I have

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Speaker 6: shot somebody because they were stabbing my wife.

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Speaker 1: Oh, sister Rastchuk is joining us some crime online dot com.

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Speaker 2: What can you tell me about the area I've got

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Speaker 2: Fairfax County. I looked at an aerial shot and some

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Speaker 2: other information. It looks like it's pretty swank.

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Speaker 6: This is a very nice area. It's in northern Virginia.

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Speaker 6: It's the suburb of Washington, d C. Excellent schools, large home,

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Speaker 6: a quiet neighborhood, not at all known for crime that

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Speaker 6: in Washington, d C. Fairfax's news is a very safe,

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Speaker 6: very family oriented area.

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Speaker 1: Very wealthy too, you know.

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Speaker 2: To Amanda Rieman joining us from this jurisdiction. Amanda, you

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Speaker 2: can find her at Acrieman dot law R I E

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Speaker 2: M A n Amanda.

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Speaker 1: The reason I'm asking about the area.

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Speaker 2: I don't care necessarily from where the victim heils. But

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Speaker 2: when you've got a really upscale, high priced neighborhood like this,

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Speaker 2: I mean, if you see the homes in that neighborhood,

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Speaker 2: If there's anything amiss about the husband's story, then I've

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Speaker 2: got to think of a suspect pool in an.

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Speaker 1: Enclave like that, a lot less suspects.

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Speaker 2: You don't have people selling crack on the street, you

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Speaker 2: don't have a homeless camp one block away. It really

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Speaker 2: reduces the number of potential suspects if the husband's story

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Speaker 2: hence the O pair. What about the neighborhood.

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Speaker 7: all a little upscale. And the reason why is because

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Speaker 7: jobs are close to DC. It borders our nation's capital,

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Speaker 7: up having people who can afford nice things. They can

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Speaker 7: these neighbors that they've known, perhaps there's never even been

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Speaker 7: is not only shocking to the neighborhood, shocking to the area,

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Speaker 7: but shocking for this specific venue and that career the

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Speaker 7: people in this you know area, there's a lot of

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Speaker 7: there's a lot of threshold you've got to get through

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Speaker 7: very very out of character for that area as well as.

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Speaker 5: The Commonwealth.

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Heidi Green, clinical psychologist, trauma specialist, author of The

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Speaker 2: Path to Self Love and World Domination. Doctor Heidi Green,

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Speaker 2: lying on the floor beside Mommy is a bondage fetishist.

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Speaker 2: Now explain to everybody that may not have handled BDSM

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Speaker 2: murders like a few of us have, what is BDSM.

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Speaker 5: BDSM is essentially a type of erotic roleplay and the

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Speaker 5: people that engage in this sort of activity are mixing

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Speaker 5: pleasure and pain.

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Speaker 2: Okay, you know what what does b DSM stand for? Bondage, discipline, satoh,

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Speaker 2: massissistic is my understanding?

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Speaker 1: What do those four words mean in your world? Doctor?

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Speaker 5: So the bondage is pretty self explanatory. This is where

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Speaker 5: participants are literally tying each other up. Could be with ropes,

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Speaker 5: could be with tape, but there's this element of restricting

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Speaker 5: also sometimes called domination, we're looking at activities where one

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Speaker 5: that person in the submissive spot. Now, when we're talking

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Speaker 5: which is finding enjoyment from inflicting pain onto another person,

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Speaker 5: and really specifically here we're talking about getting sexual pleasure

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Speaker 2: the double murdyrs. Take a listen to Chief Kevin Davis,

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Speaker 8: The one caller that called nine one one told us

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Speaker 8: that there was a man inside the home shot and

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Speaker 8: there was a woman inside the home who had been stabbed.

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Speaker 3: Our patrol authors responded immediately. They found a man shot

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Speaker 3: The woman who had been stabbed was still alive. She

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Speaker 3: the hospital. So a man was shot and killed inside

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Speaker 3: the home, a woman was stabbed and she died from

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Speaker 3: her stab wounds that occurred inside the home as well.

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Speaker 2: Joining me right now, doctor Jan Gorniac, a renowned forensic pathologist,

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Speaker 2: former medical examiner in Clark County.

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Speaker 1: That's Vegas.

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Speaker 2: Never a lack of business for the medical examiner in Vegas.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Gorniac, thank you for being.

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Speaker 9: With us, Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 2: I'm thinking about how these two murders went down. First

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Speaker 2: of all, you've got the fetishist, as he's being called.

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Speaker 1: He's got a name, Joseph Ryan.

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Speaker 2: He is shot dead, which, depending on where the gunshot

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Speaker 1: Was it to kill shot? Don't know yet.

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Speaker 2: But I want to speak about the female victim, the wife,

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Speaker 2: This woman multiple stab wounds she suffered, Doctor Gorniac, did

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Speaker 1: What is it like? What does a human go through

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Speaker 9: But essentially her heart was still going. She was still breathing.

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Speaker 2: Alexis Teraeschuk, investigative reporter for Crime online dot Com.

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Speaker 1: Alexis, you have a a beautiful boy. I've got the twins.

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Speaker 2: The only thing they have of their mother or father

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Speaker 6: She never got to know her mom at four years old.

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Speaker 6: This is it. She had just such a short amount

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Speaker 2: Twenty three year old Juliana macgalis.

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Speaker 6: Twenty three years old. She's from Brazil. She came to

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Speaker 1: Oh, okay, got it?

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Speaker 2: What more do we know about the events leading up

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Speaker 1: Listen?

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Speaker 10: Christine Banfield plans a fun day for her four year

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Speaker 10: calls her employer, Brendan Banfield, who tells her to stay

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Speaker 2: How did an innocent day at the National Zoo with

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Speaker 2: So let me just start at the beginning, as much

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Speaker 2: the pair, Juliana Margallie, turns back because she realizes she

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Speaker 2: Alexis Tereschuk. If I see somebody coming in the house,

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Speaker 1: Why would you suspect anything was wrong exactly?

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Speaker 6: She takes the daughter into the house where there's a

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Speaker 2: I mean, if you're that afraid, why not call nine

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Speaker 2: So let me make sure I understand this to Barry Golden,

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Speaker 2: You know what, when I see somebody coming in the driveway,

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Speaker 1: I think, oh, it's.

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Speaker 1: Why would he do that? He's dead, he can't tell us,

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Speaker 2: Exactly Mary, I guess I'm trying to ask, is if

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Speaker 1: Why won't you.

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Speaker 2: Just say, oh, I'm sorry, I put your clothes on

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Speaker 4: This is where this story has probably more questions than answers,

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Speaker 4: But at that point in time, from what I read,

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Speaker 2: Then not only ask her to go get the gun

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Speaker 2: Barry Golden, he asked her to come in and shoot

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Speaker 4: Yes, uh huh, he is justified at that as as

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Speaker 2: That's why Amanda Riemann joining us high profile lawyer out

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Speaker 2: of this jurisdiction Virginia. That is why I'm going through

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Speaker 2: The husband told the nanny, we've been told to go

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's answered. But why, okay, how did he know

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Speaker 1: I'm not on board with this story anymore. I'm jumping.

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Speaker 2: Something's not right that one fact. I mean, I had

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Speaker 7: So in Virginia we have something called a self defense

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Speaker 7: So if he has already shot the guy in the head.

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Speaker 7: What in the world is necessary that he needs to Hey,

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Speaker 7: it's okay for you to come up from the basement.

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Speaker 7: I've got time to tell you the code to unlock

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Speaker 7: That doesn't make sense, and I don't buy that defense

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Speaker 4: he and shooting him once or as many times as

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Speaker 4: he needs to to stop that action so the wife

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Speaker 4: is safe. That's what I was getting to. Why would

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Speaker 4: he even call the O pair to go get Why

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Speaker 4: does he need help? He's a federal agent trained in firearms.

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Speaker 4: Why would he need the help of a person that's

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Speaker 4: not nearly as trained as he is to oh, go

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Speaker 4: get the gun and come over here. That part just

446
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Speaker 4: is mind boggling to me. I do not understand that,

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Speaker 4: and that's where it really gets muddy.

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Speaker 2: Now, what more are we learning from Chief Kevin Davis

449
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Speaker 2: about the identity of the guy who's been shot not

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Speaker 2: only in the head, but also shot by the resilient

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Speaker 2: pair and the heart listened.

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Speaker 3: The male deceited, the found dead inside the home shot

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Speaker 3: to death. First named Joseph, middle named Nathan, last name Ryan.

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Speaker 3: He's thirty nine years old. The female decedent who was

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Speaker 3: stabbed inside the home transported to a local hospital, pronounced

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Speaker 3: dead at the hospital. Her name is Christine Ann Banfield.

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Speaker 3: Christine Banfield is thirty seven years old. There were two

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Speaker 3: other adults inside the home during this timeframe. Of the

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Speaker 3: two other adults inside the home I previously described as

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Speaker 3: the husband and I previously described as the OA pair,

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Speaker 3: there was a four year old child inside the home

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Speaker 3: who obviously were not identifying. She is unharmed and she

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Speaker 3: is with the Fairfax County Police Department.

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Speaker 2: Did Joseph Ryan have all the answers? We'll never know

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Speaker 2: because he shot dead in the head by the husband

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Speaker 2: and in the heart by the pair. But we're learning

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Speaker 2: a little bit from Chief Kevin Davis.

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Speaker 1: Listen, he does not live here.

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Speaker 3: I stated at the earlier press conference that there was

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Speaker 3: no fourced entry whatsoever. This is not a home invasion.

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Speaker 3: He appears. Well, here's what I can say right now,

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Speaker 3: it's certain he did not force entry into the home,

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Speaker 3: and I don't know exactly what the nature of his

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Speaker 3: presence in the home is all about just yet.

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Speaker 11: Joseph Ryan is known to Christine Banfield. The pair have

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Speaker 11: reportedly been talking on an adult fetish site. Banfield has

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Speaker 11: a profile there and in conversations with Ryan arranged for

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Speaker 11: a round of rough sex at Banfield's home.

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Speaker 1: What okay? White? What white? White? White? Alexis Tereschuk.

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Speaker 2: So, from what we're learning, Joseph Ryan had a profile

481
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Speaker 2: on a fetishist website, and the mother, the wife, the nurse,

482
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Speaker 2: got on the website and made contact with this guy

483
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Speaker 2: and he shows up like she invites him over to

484
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Speaker 2: tie her up and have sex, like bundles the baby

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Speaker 2: off with the nanny.

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Speaker 1: I'm just not seeing the connection.

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Speaker 2: I'm just not of course, you can't look at a

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Speaker 2: book and judge it by its cover, but I'm just

489
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Speaker 2: not seeing it less so does she also the mom

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Speaker 2: also have a profile on the fetishist site.

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Speaker 6: I'm not sure if the mom herself had a profile

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Speaker 6: the way that the police have described this is that

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Speaker 6: there was an account that was made from the.

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Speaker 1: Home crime stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: To doctor Heidi Green, clinical psychologist and trauma's specialist and author.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Heidi very often I hear people say, gosh, she

497
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Speaker 2: didn't look like a child molester. He was the baseball

498
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Speaker 2: coach or the soccer coach. You don't know what's going

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Speaker 2: on in people's minds. I mean, I look at this mom,

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Speaker 2: and she looks so happy. She's thrilled with her pregnancy,

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Speaker 2: the baby's only four, she loves her job, She's got

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Speaker 2: these big, beautiful smiles in every picture.

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Speaker 1: But photos and posts online can be very deceiving.

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Speaker 2: I'm just having a hard time imagining her bringing in

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Speaker 2: a complete stranger she's never met, and on day one,

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Speaker 2: according to what we've learned on their interactions online, on

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Speaker 2: day one, she ends up dead.

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Speaker 5: It's certainly suspicious, and there's a lot that's suspicious here.

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Speaker 5: And when we look at things through a psychological lens,

510
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 5: so many of the reports that have been made here

511
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Speaker 5: about people's behavior just doesn't make sense. And so it's

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Speaker 5: hard for me to believe at this point, with the

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Speaker 5: information that we've been given that everything actually happened the

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Speaker 5: way that the husband and the ol pair have described it,

515
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Speaker 5: because again from just a human behavior standpoint, too many

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Speaker 5: things don't add up.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just thinking it through.

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Speaker 2: And you know, Barry Golden US Marshall Service, you and

519
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 2: I both handle more cases than we can even count.

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Speaker 2: I'm just finding it very difficult to take in what

521
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Speaker 2: I know about the mom, the likelihood that she hooks

522
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Speaker 2: up with a fetishist into bondage domination and on day

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Speaker 2: one they meet as she ends up dead.

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Speaker 4: So strange, I mean, And the guy enters the house

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Speaker 4: and the old pairs outside seeing him walk in the house,

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Speaker 4: and within a minute or two from the husband arriving

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Speaker 4: and then also entering the house, and now he has

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Speaker 4: a knife, the wife is naked, and he's in the

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Speaker 4: bedroom upstairs. You know those are those are you know,

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Speaker 4: strange questions. But you have one person who is not talking,

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Speaker 4: and no one person is the husband, who is a

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Speaker 4: federal law enforcement officer. He has taken the Fifth Amendment

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Speaker 4: right to silence during court proceedings. If you're if you

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Speaker 4: have nothing to hide, if you walk in there you

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Speaker 4: find a stranger in your house, and a stranger that

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Speaker 4: has a knife to the throat of your your wife. Okay,

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Speaker 4: physical harm to kill your wife, and you're justified in

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Speaker 4: firing at this person to stop him from killing your wife.

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Speaker 4: What do you have to hide? Why wouldn't you give

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Speaker 4: a statement to the police and say this is what happened,

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Speaker 4: this is what I saw, and this is what I did.

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Speaker 4: They're only two shots fired. I had to really look

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Speaker 4: for this in doing research on this. There was one

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Speaker 4: shot fired by the husband and one shot fired by

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Speaker 4: the pair. Two shots.

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Speaker 2: As we suspected, all is not as it seems. Apparently

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Speaker 2: the refutation of this mother has been dragged through the mud.

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Speaker 11: Listen investigators say, however, they believe it was all a ruse,

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Speaker 11: that someone else created the profile on the adult fetish

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Speaker 11: website pretending to be Christine Banfield. In fact, investigators believe

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Speaker 11: Ryan's murder was part of an elaborate plan to kill

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Speaker 11: Christine Banfield so her husband Brendan, and their Brazilian live

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Speaker 11: in o pair could be together. Investigators found pictures of

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Speaker 11: Banfield and the pair together in the Banfield bedroom in Perez.

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Speaker 11: Magalis's clothes were found hanging in the Banfield's closet, not

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Speaker 11: her own.

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Speaker 2: Okay, what did I just hear, Alexis Tereschuk explain.

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Speaker 6: So, after the crime, after these two people are killed

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Speaker 6: in this home, the police spend months investigating. They come

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Speaker 6: back to the house to interview the couple, bathe, the dad,

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Speaker 6: and the nanny who's still living with them taking care,

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Speaker 6: and they realize that the nanny the old pair has

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Speaker 6: moved into the main bedroom, the master bedroom where Christine

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Speaker 6: was murdered. Her clothes are hanging in there, and there

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Speaker 6: are framed pictures of the nanny and of the husband

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Speaker 6: together in the room, like she has just completely moved

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Speaker 6: in and taken over at the mom's place in the home.

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Speaker 2: Okay, tell me the status as it is right now, Alexis.

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Speaker 6: So, the o pair has been charged with murder in

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Speaker 6: voluntary murder, I believe, and she is going to stand

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Speaker 6: trial for not the murder of the mom, not Christine,

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Speaker 6: but of Joseph Ryan, the man who is claimed that

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Speaker 6: he had been he came to have kinky sex with her.

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Speaker 6: But nobody has been charged with the murder of Christine,

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Speaker 6: and it hasn't been stated that Joseph Ryan killed her,

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Speaker 6: and the husband hasn't been charged either, and one other

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Speaker 6: thing I want to say about the guns is that

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Speaker 6: a local gun range, a woman who worked there reported

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Speaker 6: that she had seen the nanny and the husband at

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Speaker 6: the gun range learning to practicing shooting months before Christine

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Speaker 6: was murdered.

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Speaker 7: And at the shooting range the gun that they were

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Speaker 7: practicing with ended up being the murder weapon.

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Speaker 2: How coincidental And I'm sure that has matched up with ballistics.

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Speaker 2: But guys, so far only the au pair is charged.

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Speaker 2: To listen to Chief Kevin Davis, we.

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Speaker 3: Still have a lot of work to do to identify

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Speaker 3: who exactly. We have to prove it who exactly shot

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Speaker 3: and killed our male decedent, Joseph Ryan, and who exactly

590
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 3: stabbed Christine Danfield to death. We know what our nine

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00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 3: to one one caller, the husband told us, but we

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Speaker 3: have a lot a lot of work to do to

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Speaker 3: substantiate that claim. He is not charged, She is not accused.

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Speaker 3: He was present at the home, he was involved in

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Speaker 3: looking to our investigation, and the status of folks may

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00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 3: may change over time, but right now, he was present

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Speaker 3: inside the home and involved.

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Speaker 2: So Doctor Jane Gornia, the last thing Mommy sees is

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Speaker 2: the au pair and her husband.

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Speaker 9: Yes, so we know that allegedly the husband shot, you know,

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Speaker 9: mister Ryan as he was stabbing the mom, and then

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Speaker 9: the pair comes in and shoots mister Ryan a second time.

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Speaker 9: There are so many and I'm not a law enforcement officer,

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Speaker 9: but as a forensic investigator, death investigator, I have so

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Speaker 9: many questions. And like you said, if he was shot twice,

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Speaker 9: where are the projectiles because there would be two different projectiles.

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Speaker 9: So I'm just wondering, how do they know which shot

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Speaker 9: was the shot that caused his death?

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Speaker 6: And then.

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Speaker 9: The timeframe I think it's going to be if and

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Speaker 9: when they church somebody with the mother's murder, the timeframe

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Speaker 9: of injury between you know, what could mister Ryan have

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Speaker 9: been doing if he was shot? That time frame is

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Speaker 9: going to really play a big part, especially had she

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Speaker 9: got into the hospital sooner, could you have survived? Because

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Speaker 9: we know there is there was a timeline. Obviously the

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Speaker 9: husband shot mister Ryan and then instead of staying called

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Speaker 9: nine one one, my wife is stebbed, you tell somebody

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Speaker 9: to go get another gun, so that time is missed.

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Speaker 9: So there's going to be so many more clues and

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Speaker 9: forensic evidence that's going to come out that's going to

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Speaker 9: piece this together.

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Speaker 2: Well, this is where I think we're going to get

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Speaker 2: a lot of evidence is from the adult fetish website. Clearly,

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Speaker 2: someone pretending to be the mom Christine Banfield goes onto

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Speaker 2: the website and solicits Ryan to come to the home.

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Speaker 2: As soon as we can figure out all of that out,

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Speaker 2: we'll have a clearer picture of how Mommy was stabbed dead.

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Speaker 2: We wait as justice unfolds, and now we stop to

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Speaker 2: remember American hero Georgia State Trooper Jimmy Zenescar, just twenty eight.

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Speaker 2: Trooper zennesscar struck by a vehicle while pursuing a suspect Atlanta,

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Speaker 2: Studying criminal justice at Georgia Gwinnett College. In twenty twenty one,

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Speaker 2: he rescued a driver who had driven off a bridge.

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Speaker 2: Recently awarded a merit at the three hundred Club for

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Speaker 2: outstanding service. He leaves behind a loving fiancee, Natalia, and parents,

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Speaker 2: and his sister and four brothers. American hero Georgia State

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Speaker 2: Trooper Jimmy Senescar. I want to thank all of our

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Speaker 2: guests for being with us tonight, but especially to you

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Speaker 2: for being with us tonight and every night. Nancy Grace

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Speaker 2: signing off, good night friend,