WEBVTT - My Favorite Y.A. Author - Dana Claire 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:02.560 Why do women in their late thirties have such an 0:00:02.600 --> 0:00:06.080 interest in reading books about vampires and fairies having orgies 0:00:06.360 --> 0:00:23.160 at a magic Academyshaw Tosh Show Show three two. Welcome 0:00:23.200 --> 0:00:27.280 to the show. I'm Daniel Tosh. You like that, Eddie? 0:00:27.320 --> 0:00:27.920 I do like that. 0:00:28.240 --> 0:00:31.840 I'm at the show. It seems cooler. I feel like 0:00:31.880 --> 0:00:36.080 that's what the kids probably call this. Oh, the show? Yeah, Hey, 0:00:36.159 --> 0:00:38.120 you guys see the new show. Hey it's Tuesday. What 0:00:38.120 --> 0:00:40.240 are you doing. I'm probably gonna check out the show. 0:00:40.400 --> 0:00:44.320 Who's on? Who cares? The show's on? The show's on. 0:00:44.960 --> 0:00:46.960 I'm gonna get that to spread. Let's start calling this 0:00:46.960 --> 0:00:49.560 the show, man, Why don't we just call it the show? 0:00:49.600 --> 0:00:52.240 To begin? Is there something else already called the show? 0:00:52.440 --> 0:00:53.239 I don't think so. 0:00:53.520 --> 0:00:57.360 Nothing in the history of entertainment has been called the show. 0:00:57.640 --> 0:01:00.600 It's the big show. Isn't the big show? It's just 0:01:00.640 --> 0:01:04.640 the show? Oh man, I can't believe it's called that. 0:01:05.240 --> 0:01:07.840 I love it all right. Today is the first Tuesday 0:01:07.840 --> 0:01:18.000 of November. And you know what that means. Insurrection in surrection. Oh, 0:01:18.760 --> 0:01:23.119 there's bad people on both sides. Guys said it. I've 0:01:23.160 --> 0:01:25.679 said it a hundred times. Do you guys know what 0:01:25.720 --> 0:01:28.880 all the props are on the ballots. No, Yeah, it's 0:01:28.880 --> 0:01:32.600 always like you vote yes on eighteen, no on nineteen. 0:01:33.200 --> 0:01:37.840 There's never a box for maybe maybe, I write it in. 0:01:37.920 --> 0:01:44.000 I write maybe in. So when you guys see the 0:01:44.040 --> 0:01:46.240 tallies coming in later night, you're going to see one 0:01:46.319 --> 0:01:52.240 vote from maybe question mark that's my vote. Hey, you 0:01:52.240 --> 0:01:54.520 think they're going to announce who the President of the 0:01:54.600 --> 0:01:58.440 United States is going to be by the end of tonight. Never, 0:01:58.760 --> 0:02:01.760 I doubt it. It's gonna be sad that this election 0:02:01.920 --> 0:02:05.280 is over because it's really been fun. The campaigning. It's 0:02:05.320 --> 0:02:08.240 just been fun. You're getting to see the best of 0:02:08.320 --> 0:02:12.520 America in an election year. I'm gonna miss that. I 0:02:12.520 --> 0:02:18.679 think presidential terms should also be like Supreme Court justices 0:02:18.880 --> 0:02:25.760 for life. But every year we vote in another president. 0:02:28.320 --> 0:02:31.239 You don't understand what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, you're gonna 0:02:31.280 --> 0:02:32.800 have lots of presidents. I love it. 0:02:32.840 --> 0:02:33.760 Are they sharing the house? 0:02:33.919 --> 0:02:35.480 Yeah, they all left it. They all live. There's a 0:02:35.560 --> 0:02:41.440 reality show. There's cameras everywhere. It's gonna be awesome. It's 0:02:41.440 --> 0:02:42.280 called the White House. 0:02:43.080 --> 0:02:43.280 Yeah. 0:02:43.280 --> 0:02:45.919 It's like there's a live feed you or you can 0:02:46.000 --> 0:02:48.359 watch just the weekly put together package, or you can 0:02:48.400 --> 0:02:50.840 just watch it all day long and they just all 0:02:50.880 --> 0:02:54.799 live there and they all have to agree on stuff 0:02:54.840 --> 0:02:58.320 and figure things out. Nobody's getting voted out until one 0:02:58.520 --> 0:03:01.400 they died, and they die and then okay, fine, But 0:03:01.480 --> 0:03:04.280 at any given time there can be you know, thirty 0:03:04.400 --> 0:03:08.080 forty presidents. I'm just spitballing. I'm just spitballing, guys. I 0:03:08.080 --> 0:03:09.480 don't have all the answers. 0:03:10.040 --> 0:03:11.519 That's a great state of the Union. 0:03:11.760 --> 0:03:13.600 Let's get on it. You know what country does it? 0:03:14.240 --> 0:03:18.799 Costa Rica? Oh yeah, you have to look down though, 0:03:19.240 --> 0:03:20.920 you know, if you know what country actually does this, 0:03:21.440 --> 0:03:26.320 it's not it's not a unique idea. Nicaragua, they got 0:03:26.320 --> 0:03:30.240 it together down there. Yeah, that worked. Columbus. I'm pretty 0:03:30.280 --> 0:03:31.560 sure Columbia does this too. 0:03:32.200 --> 0:03:34.480 A few of these places are nailing it. 0:03:36.120 --> 0:03:38.440 You know. You know, actually what country does this? Turks 0:03:38.440 --> 0:03:42.040 and Caicos. Oh yeah, they got to figure it out there. 0:03:42.080 --> 0:03:42.880 People love it there. 0:03:43.200 --> 0:03:45.880 People love Turks and Caicos. Did you know that originally 0:03:45.960 --> 0:03:52.200 it was just one country? Turks didn't know that. You know. 0:03:52.360 --> 0:03:55.840 Another thing I'd like to point out whoever wins this election, 0:03:56.760 --> 0:04:01.640 you know, if Kamala wins, because she's the better person 0:04:02.560 --> 0:04:06.160 and better candidate. That's great. Now, if Trump wins, I'd 0:04:06.200 --> 0:04:10.440 love to check in on these people's lives that have 0:04:10.560 --> 0:04:15.200 been so horrible the past four years and just see 0:04:15.400 --> 0:04:19.120 how amazing their lives are. Now, did he fix all 0:04:19.160 --> 0:04:22.280 your problems? That would be fun. That'd be fun to 0:04:22.360 --> 0:04:24.719 check in with them. I don't even to be honest 0:04:24.720 --> 0:04:30.000 with you, I probably shouldn't admit this on a comedy podcast, 0:04:30.040 --> 0:04:34.640 but do I really vote? Well, I get a ballot 0:04:35.200 --> 0:04:38.719 and my wife gets a ballot and she fills both 0:04:38.760 --> 0:04:41.120 of them out for me. Okay, she feels mine now 0:04:41.200 --> 0:04:46.120 for me. Now we agree politically, but sometimes she's like, oh, 0:04:46.160 --> 0:04:49.520 I'm not gonna vote to legalize gambling in the state 0:04:49.520 --> 0:04:52.440 of California, and I get furious. I'm like, but that's 0:04:52.440 --> 0:04:57.320 what I want, and she's like, fuck you. Technically, I 0:04:57.320 --> 0:05:02.000 guess that is voter fraud, but you know, what are 0:05:02.000 --> 0:05:04.680 you gonna do? I'll tell you what we need right 0:05:04.720 --> 0:05:09.160 now in this moment. The ultimate distraction for the political unrest, 0:05:10.160 --> 0:05:15.359 and it's today's guest, an author who focuses on teenagers 0:05:15.600 --> 0:05:20.560 that are not old enough to vote getting fingered by 0:05:20.880 --> 0:05:32.159 monsters and unicorns. Yeah, enjoy. Pasha, my guest today, is 0:05:32.160 --> 0:05:34.840 an author who uses her art form to explore what 0:05:34.960 --> 0:05:38.479 makes teenagers so damn sexy. And as she sat down 0:05:38.800 --> 0:05:41.680 across a rather drab table from me in a dark 0:05:41.760 --> 0:05:46.159 studio on the outskirts of La, my heart began pounding, 0:05:46.560 --> 0:05:50.160 knowing all too well our eyes would soon meet. And 0:05:50.279 --> 0:05:55.080 with every slow, deliberate adjustment of my microphone, I knew 0:05:55.120 --> 0:05:58.960 I was on borrowed time before the listening audience would 0:05:58.960 --> 0:06:03.120 discover our robbing's secret. Please welcome, Dana Claire. 0:06:05.160 --> 0:06:06.240 What an intro? 0:06:06.600 --> 0:06:07.240 How was it? 0:06:07.320 --> 0:06:07.560 Oh? 0:06:07.640 --> 0:06:08.320 It was good? 0:06:08.600 --> 0:06:09.080 Thank you. 0:06:09.360 --> 0:06:11.320 I had the word throbbing in it, and I know 0:06:11.400 --> 0:06:14.680 that that is definitely you have to tick that box. 0:06:14.800 --> 0:06:17.440 Yes, throbbing is definitely what gets the kids to read 0:06:17.480 --> 0:06:18.360 your books these days. 0:06:18.480 --> 0:06:21.560 Do you say tick or do you say check? Like 0:06:22.160 --> 0:06:24.240 when you're talking about boxes, I oh, that checked a 0:06:24.279 --> 0:06:26.120 lot of boxes? Or do you say that ticked a 0:06:26.120 --> 0:06:26.720 lot of boxes? 0:06:26.760 --> 0:06:27.640 I say checked. 0:06:28.240 --> 0:06:31.039 Most people do, But I think the right I think 0:06:31.080 --> 0:06:34.280 the correct thing is tick. Am I wrong? I think 0:06:34.320 --> 0:06:36.960 you're right? I think I'm right. That's all I need. 0:06:37.080 --> 0:06:39.880 That's my fact checker. He just basically goes, I think 0:06:39.920 --> 0:06:41.160 you're right every time. 0:06:41.240 --> 0:06:43.880 But it's really about perception being reality. So even if 0:06:43.920 --> 0:06:46.560 your fact check your is right, what is the rest 0:06:46.600 --> 0:06:47.240 of the world. 0:06:47.080 --> 0:06:48.640 Think They think I'm an idiot? 0:06:48.880 --> 0:06:49.880 I don't think Dana. 0:06:50.120 --> 0:06:51.239 Do you believe in ghosts? 0:06:51.880 --> 0:06:52.120 Yes? 0:06:52.680 --> 0:06:52.960 Good? 0:06:53.360 --> 0:06:53.640 Thanks? 0:06:53.760 --> 0:06:55.960 Finally, now convince me. 0:06:56.480 --> 0:06:58.720 I mean, how can they not be? What happens after 0:06:58.760 --> 0:07:01.000 somebody dies but isn't ready to go to the beyond. 0:07:01.640 --> 0:07:04.679 It's just human souls that are that are the ghost 0:07:04.960 --> 0:07:07.920 I think. So Okay, yeah, have you ever had an 0:07:07.920 --> 0:07:09.080 interaction with a ghost? 0:07:09.240 --> 0:07:13.200 Oh? Man kind of oh oh, we want me to 0:07:13.200 --> 0:07:13.560 tell you? 0:07:13.840 --> 0:07:16.679 Yeah, I do, unless it's hard to believe. 0:07:17.320 --> 0:07:20.080 Well, it's probably gonna heart be hard to believe. But 0:07:20.320 --> 0:07:24.120 my mom passed and I was in my late twenties, 0:07:24.280 --> 0:07:27.920 and the night that she passed, my dad was trying 0:07:27.960 --> 0:07:29.680 to get all the things together that we're going to 0:07:29.720 --> 0:07:31.400 go inside her coffin. I know, this is like a 0:07:31.440 --> 0:07:33.400 sad story, so he's like putting all this. She had 0:07:33.440 --> 0:07:35.280 a whole list, she knew she was dying, so we 0:07:35.360 --> 0:07:37.679 planned this out. So anyway, he's like putting everything together 0:07:37.680 --> 0:07:39.760 because he doesn't want to forget it, and he couldn't 0:07:39.800 --> 0:07:42.680 find this broken yodro do you know what a yodro is? 0:07:42.760 --> 0:07:43.200 I don't. 0:07:43.400 --> 0:07:45.800 Okay, it's a very expensive statue. It was like the 0:07:45.840 --> 0:07:47.920 first very expensive present I gave my mother when I 0:07:48.000 --> 0:07:51.200 was younger. So I broke it, and good old kid fashion, 0:07:51.280 --> 0:07:53.240 I elbowed it. It fell, so the broken one my 0:07:53.320 --> 0:07:55.440 mom want to be buried with, and he just couldn't 0:07:55.440 --> 0:07:58.680 find it. So later that night I kind of had 0:07:58.720 --> 0:08:01.280 a dream that some and sat on the edge of 0:08:01.280 --> 0:08:03.760 my bed and I like woke up and there was 0:08:03.760 --> 0:08:06.680 like a figure but I didn't quite see it, and 0:08:06.720 --> 0:08:09.800 it told me where the yadre was. The next morning, 0:08:09.920 --> 0:08:11.560 I woke up and I said to my dad, I 0:08:11.680 --> 0:08:15.200 kind of think I saw Mom last night, and she said, 0:08:15.200 --> 0:08:18.080 the yodro is in one of the kitchen cabinets. And 0:08:18.160 --> 0:08:19.920 sure enough, it was in a kitchen cabinet. 0:08:20.160 --> 0:08:23.440 I mean, okay, it's a heartwarming story and I'm not 0:08:23.480 --> 0:08:26.080 going to discredit it. I just wish she would have 0:08:26.120 --> 0:08:30.000 been more specific than one of the cabinets. 0:08:29.480 --> 0:08:33.160 Right, yeah, yeah, I know, a little vague, or she 0:08:33.200 --> 0:08:35.240 could have given me like the pick six numbers too, 0:08:35.559 --> 0:08:37.600 like if she really wanted to help me out. 0:08:37.160 --> 0:08:38.880 Well, I don't know, just because you're a ghost. I 0:08:38.920 --> 0:08:40.840 don't believe that they can see into the future. 0:08:41.120 --> 0:08:42.679 No, right, that's fair. You're right. 0:08:43.040 --> 0:08:44.400 Is Dana Claire your pen name? 0:08:44.679 --> 0:08:46.679 Dana Claire is my first and middle name. 0:08:46.920 --> 0:08:50.040 Interesting, right, talk to me like I like, I'm an idiot. 0:08:50.080 --> 0:08:52.720 So it's gonna be a big stretch. Okay, Explain to 0:08:52.760 --> 0:08:57.360 me what young adult is, Okay, the whole genre, the books, yes, 0:08:57.400 --> 0:09:00.040 and why people are so into them? Go on. 0:09:00.200 --> 0:09:03.439 Okay, so young adult is supposed to be like thirteen 0:09:03.480 --> 0:09:07.240 to eighteen, but over the last decade it's really kind 0:09:07.280 --> 0:09:10.720 of evolved to that, like seventeen to nineteen, and it's 0:09:10.760 --> 0:09:13.400 gotten spicy, which is why have you heard Twilight? 0:09:13.640 --> 0:09:13.880 Yeah? 0:09:13.960 --> 0:09:16.640 Yeah, so like that was really when I think young 0:09:16.720 --> 0:09:20.080 adult went skyrocketed and people were like, we must jump 0:09:20.120 --> 0:09:20.680 on this train. 0:09:20.880 --> 0:09:25.520 By the way, Twilight unwatchable, really unwatchable. Well it looks 0:09:25.520 --> 0:09:27.760 like it shot off a cell phone. 0:09:28.000 --> 0:09:30.079 Fair, But a lot of people did watch it. 0:09:30.160 --> 0:09:31.560 Uh huh, everyone watched it. 0:09:31.679 --> 0:09:34.080 Yeah, every garbage garbage. 0:09:33.559 --> 0:09:36.400 That just completely the hook garbage. 0:09:36.440 --> 0:09:40.160 But do you know why? Why why people much hot. 0:09:40.000 --> 0:09:42.559 Dudes turn it into were wolves? 0:09:42.960 --> 0:09:45.480 Yes? But sure, but the tropes. Do you know what 0:09:45.480 --> 0:09:49.520 a trope is? Okay? So a trope is like enemy 0:09:49.600 --> 0:09:53.160 to lovers or forbidden romance, things like that where people 0:09:53.480 --> 0:09:56.280 love the idea of like he wanted to devour her. 0:09:56.640 --> 0:09:58.679 You talked about Throbby before It devours a good one too, 0:09:59.040 --> 0:10:00.800 And he wanted to eat her and then all this 0:10:01.080 --> 0:10:02.679 like I can't have you, I can have you. He's 0:10:02.679 --> 0:10:06.520 like centuries old, she's like sixteen. It's like taboo. These 0:10:06.520 --> 0:10:07.640 are things that hook people. 0:10:08.200 --> 0:10:10.560 What's his name tried to eat people. He got canceled 0:10:10.559 --> 0:10:14.880 for it. What's his name? Armie Hammer? Armie Hammer, that guy, 0:10:15.040 --> 0:10:18.040 he was real into cannibalism or something. I don't know. 0:10:18.080 --> 0:10:19.360 Again, it's not as catchy. 0:10:19.600 --> 0:10:21.680 He grew up in New Jersey, but always tell people 0:10:21.960 --> 0:10:24.600 you're from New York. I do Do you do that? 0:10:24.640 --> 0:10:26.319 Because New Jersey is depressing? 0:10:26.679 --> 0:10:31.760 Yes, the people are always like, oh, the armpit of America, 0:10:32.360 --> 0:10:35.280 And I'm like, no, it's beautiful. It has horse farm. 0:10:35.360 --> 0:10:38.079 Well then why don't you embrace it? Be the sunshine 0:10:38.080 --> 0:10:38.680 that it needs. 0:10:38.880 --> 0:10:42.000 Yeah, it really does need like some positive marketing to it, 0:10:42.120 --> 0:10:44.880 some pr for New Jersey. But I lived in New 0:10:44.960 --> 0:10:47.080 York for over ten years, so like I feel like 0:10:47.120 --> 0:10:47.640 that counts. 0:10:47.720 --> 0:10:49.560 Yeah, well, yeah, I just know you're not from there. 0:10:49.679 --> 0:10:50.240 No, I'm not. 0:10:50.720 --> 0:10:54.400 I'm from Florida. Oh, born in Germany. You know, I've 0:10:54.480 --> 0:10:57.240 got those two nooses around my neck. I have to 0:10:57.280 --> 0:10:58.000 embrace them. 0:10:58.160 --> 0:10:59.280 Do you talk about them a lot? 0:10:59.720 --> 0:10:59.880 No? 0:11:00.200 --> 0:11:02.480 Right, feels fair. 0:11:02.559 --> 0:11:06.000 Then you went to the University of Delaware and studied English. 0:11:06.280 --> 0:11:06.840 I did. 0:11:07.040 --> 0:11:09.000 How was your time at the University of Delaware? 0:11:09.120 --> 0:11:11.360 I loved it. I was an English major, though, because 0:11:11.360 --> 0:11:16.160 I was failing every other class, and my advisor was like, Hey, 0:11:16.200 --> 0:11:18.800 you do really well at English. Why don't you take 0:11:18.800 --> 0:11:19.600 that on as a major. 0:11:19.840 --> 0:11:22.680 Give me some of the jobs that you had from college, 0:11:22.840 --> 0:11:25.280 out of college, et cetera, before you got into this 0:11:25.679 --> 0:11:26.440 current world. 0:11:26.480 --> 0:11:28.239 Well, I was a bartender. 0:11:28.440 --> 0:11:29.640 Were you a good bartender? 0:11:29.920 --> 0:11:33.040 I was fantastic, as long as you didn't order anything 0:11:33.080 --> 0:11:33.959 too complicated. 0:11:34.280 --> 0:11:35.880 Okay, did you have attitude? 0:11:36.120 --> 0:11:38.760 I had attitude? I had SaaS. I was loving it. 0:11:39.000 --> 0:11:40.640 You know. Give me a stage in a spotlight? 0:11:40.679 --> 0:11:42.640 And did you love the movie Coyote Ugly? 0:11:42.840 --> 0:11:44.520 Oh my god, do you want to hear a story? 0:11:44.679 --> 0:11:46.600 Yep? Okay, so that's why we're here. 0:11:46.679 --> 0:11:48.960 Yeah, okay, so, oh my god, this is so going 0:11:49.040 --> 0:11:51.520 far in the wrong direction. But so that is actually 0:11:51.520 --> 0:11:54.240 called that coyote Ugly movie was based off of Red 0:11:54.360 --> 0:11:58.120 Rock Bar. I had an audition for it. And yeah, 0:11:58.120 --> 0:12:01.200 I'm also a really good dancer. I danced my whole life. Yeah, 0:12:01.360 --> 0:12:02.240 I teach bars. 0:12:02.360 --> 0:12:04.400 I believe it. Are I see them? 0:12:04.679 --> 0:12:07.280 Okay? So I loved it. I mean I loved the dance. 0:12:07.320 --> 0:12:09.679 I loved being on the bar. There was a part 0:12:09.800 --> 0:12:13.760 where you have to pour cold water on yourself, and 0:12:13.840 --> 0:12:16.600 I'm allergic to cold water. I've cold you to carry 0:12:16.600 --> 0:12:19.040 you so like I couldn't physically do the job. And 0:12:19.040 --> 0:12:20.040 that's why I didn't take it. 0:12:20.160 --> 0:12:22.040 I mean, I'm not. I don't you're gonna take this 0:12:22.080 --> 0:12:22.600 the wrong way. 0:12:22.720 --> 0:12:23.800 No, I'm not. I'm gonna love it. 0:12:24.160 --> 0:12:26.760 But you're kind of like a witch. I believe it 0:12:26.800 --> 0:12:31.760 ghosts if I threw a bucket of water on you, Yeah, 0:12:31.800 --> 0:12:32.320 you're done. 0:12:32.520 --> 0:12:33.760 I is so done. 0:12:34.160 --> 0:12:37.280 I've never heard of such an allergy. I know, so like, 0:12:37.360 --> 0:12:39.079 you could never do a cold plunge. 0:12:39.240 --> 0:12:40.520 No, no, it would kill me. 0:12:40.720 --> 0:12:41.560 It would actually kill you. 0:12:41.559 --> 0:12:43.040 It would actually kill me. So there are like things 0:12:43.080 --> 0:12:45.160 I'm not allowed to do. I have an epupen. What's 0:12:45.200 --> 0:12:47.640 the tempt I don't know the way they figured it 0:12:47.679 --> 0:12:49.120 out is. I ended up in the er like a 0:12:49.120 --> 0:12:51.679 bunch of different times, and I had to start keeping 0:12:51.679 --> 0:12:54.040 a diary, and it would be like after a cold shower, 0:12:54.080 --> 0:12:55.800 after I went in the ocean. So then they started 0:12:55.800 --> 0:12:58.200 to be like, something's happening. So they put an ice 0:12:58.240 --> 0:12:59.880 pack on my arm, and my arm blew up with hives, 0:13:00.040 --> 0:13:00.800 and they were like, oh. 0:13:00.720 --> 0:13:02.680 She has cold you to carry you, cold you to 0:13:02.800 --> 0:13:05.559 carry you. Yeah, I'm so excited that I learned something today. 0:13:05.600 --> 0:13:07.320 Thank you. How many books have you written? 0:13:07.440 --> 0:13:09.720 Ten that are published, but I have like another eight 0:13:09.800 --> 0:13:10.679 that aren't out yet. 0:13:10.720 --> 0:13:12.280 How long does it take you to write a book? 0:13:12.320 --> 0:13:13.560 It depends how much time I have. 0:13:13.840 --> 0:13:15.960 I mean the shortest time you've ever written a book 0:13:16.040 --> 0:13:20.679 two months? Two months? How many pages is it? Well? 0:13:20.679 --> 0:13:22.920 A word count is what we normally go by, right count. Yeah, 0:13:22.920 --> 0:13:26.960 about eighty to ninety thousand words, which is approximately depending 0:13:27.000 --> 0:13:28.800 on how the book is around, like three hundred and 0:13:28.800 --> 0:13:29.440 fifty pages. 0:13:29.679 --> 0:13:32.559 Okay, all right, so continue. How did you get into it? 0:13:32.840 --> 0:13:35.760 So I went into sales and business and made a 0:13:35.800 --> 0:13:37.920 lot of money, but very busy, lots of traveling and 0:13:37.920 --> 0:13:40.880 flying every week. The pandemic was the first time I 0:13:40.920 --> 0:13:44.360 think I don't know since college. I actually was sitting 0:13:44.360 --> 0:13:46.640 there like what do I do with myself? So I 0:13:46.679 --> 0:13:48.240 was like, I think I'm going to start to write again. 0:13:48.280 --> 0:13:50.600 I haven't written in a really long time, and I 0:13:50.720 --> 0:13:53.680 just the words just flowed out of me. And next 0:13:53.720 --> 0:13:56.400 thing you know, I was researching how to publish it. 0:13:56.440 --> 0:14:00.199 What's the difference between self pub and traditional publishing? Which 0:14:00.240 --> 0:14:01.079 I'm a hybrid, so. 0:14:01.000 --> 0:14:02.079 I'm both okay? 0:14:02.200 --> 0:14:03.679 And that was it. That was really what it is. 0:14:03.760 --> 0:14:05.240 I just had time for the first time ever, I 0:14:05.280 --> 0:14:05.959 didn't have a job. 0:14:06.320 --> 0:14:09.880 You write the book, You finish writing the book. Yeah, 0:14:09.880 --> 0:14:12.959 how does it go from that to people actually reaching? Oh? 0:14:13.040 --> 0:14:16.360 I failed miserably. I literally put it on Amazon. I 0:14:16.360 --> 0:14:18.000 didn't even know what I was doing. I didn't have 0:14:18.200 --> 0:14:20.080 I didn't even have a proofreader or an editor. I 0:14:20.160 --> 0:14:22.160 knew nothing. When I first did it, I was lucky 0:14:22.160 --> 0:14:24.160 a five hundred people buy it, and that was just 0:14:24.200 --> 0:14:25.000 family and fronts. 0:14:25.280 --> 0:14:25.440 Huh. 0:14:25.640 --> 0:14:28.680 It was after that tragic downfall. The first book I 0:14:28.680 --> 0:14:30.800 wrote was called The Connection, which I'm thankful they didn't 0:14:30.800 --> 0:14:32.960 bring up. War of the Sea was like my big hit. 0:14:33.080 --> 0:14:34.800 That was the one where I started to get recognition. 0:14:35.320 --> 0:14:37.200 So I did it terribly and realized that, like, what, 0:14:37.240 --> 0:14:39.200 am I really good at business? So go back to 0:14:39.240 --> 0:14:41.920 the drawing board, learn everything you possibly can about the 0:14:41.920 --> 0:14:44.760 publishing industry, and then let's do it again. And that's 0:14:44.760 --> 0:14:46.200 when I got picked up by my publisher. 0:14:46.280 --> 0:14:48.920 And then things took off on the things the next swing. 0:14:48.840 --> 0:14:51.000 Then the next swing, they started to take off. Yes, 0:14:51.200 --> 0:14:54.080 so War of the See came out that won five awards, 0:14:54.360 --> 0:14:57.360 The hunter Land series came out, that's actually optioned for 0:14:57.400 --> 0:14:58.200 TV right now. 0:14:58.320 --> 0:15:00.680 Is that always the goal or or is it just 0:15:00.680 --> 0:15:01.760 in the back of your mind or you're like, no, 0:15:01.800 --> 0:15:04.240 I want to write the best young adult novel that 0:15:04.280 --> 0:15:06.560 I can and I don't care whether it gets picked 0:15:06.640 --> 0:15:07.120 up for TV. 0:15:07.360 --> 0:15:09.480 No. I wrote that to market. I was like, this 0:15:09.520 --> 0:15:12.280 could go on TV tomorrow. You've got some people that 0:15:12.320 --> 0:15:15.280 write what's called beat spoke, which is outside of the box. 0:15:15.320 --> 0:15:17.920 It's not writing to market. You don't have an exact audience. 0:15:18.000 --> 0:15:19.600 But those are not the people that are looking to 0:15:19.600 --> 0:15:21.640 get picked up by a big publisher or make that 0:15:21.680 --> 0:15:26.000 into a TV show. Is it better to self publish Honestly, yes, 0:15:26.200 --> 0:15:27.760 I think so. You make a heck of a lot 0:15:27.760 --> 0:15:30.080 more money. But I think hybrid is the way to go. 0:15:30.200 --> 0:15:33.840 So you can take your marketing that you have from 0:15:33.880 --> 0:15:36.480 your publisher or some of the promos that you get, 0:15:36.520 --> 0:15:39.200 like going to in Barnes and Nobles, and then you 0:15:39.240 --> 0:15:41.080 can say, well, I also have all of this over here, 0:15:41.120 --> 0:15:42.560 because once you have a read or read one of 0:15:42.560 --> 0:15:45.160 your books, they normally, if they like you, devour all 0:15:45.200 --> 0:15:45.360 of it. 0:15:45.520 --> 0:15:50.800 Now you write I correct me if I'm wrong clean 0:15:51.200 --> 0:15:54.040 young adult? Is that what it is? It's called clean? 0:15:54.360 --> 0:15:57.480 So I'm just about to get into that spicy romance 0:15:57.560 --> 0:15:58.000 next year. 0:15:58.080 --> 0:16:00.640 So you're like the hallmark of young adult? 0:16:00.800 --> 0:16:01.240 Yeah? 0:16:01.240 --> 0:16:03.080 Like how far? Like Hallmark? They take it to a 0:16:03.160 --> 0:16:06.560 kiss in their movies. That's it? Are you guys making 0:16:06.600 --> 0:16:07.200 out in your books? 0:16:07.200 --> 0:16:09.280 It's like heavy petty, that's like where we. 0:16:09.200 --> 0:16:11.680 Stop over under the shirt. 0:16:11.560 --> 0:16:15.240 Over Okay, yeah, I know, but it's going under next 0:16:15.320 --> 0:16:17.400 year because let me tell you. 0:16:16.880 --> 0:16:19.680 Now, you write clean because you have certain family members 0:16:19.720 --> 0:16:21.440 that you don't want to upset. Is that is that 0:16:21.520 --> 0:16:22.240 partially true? 0:16:22.320 --> 0:16:25.880 Yeah? My dad reads everything I write. So I was like, 0:16:25.960 --> 0:16:27.840 when I first wrote my first spicy book, I'm like, 0:16:27.880 --> 0:16:30.000 I can't do this. I just cannot have my father 0:16:30.120 --> 0:16:33.080 read this. But my husband came home and he was like, 0:16:33.120 --> 0:16:36.320 those spicy romance authors sure make a lot of money. 0:16:36.360 --> 0:16:39.200 I'm thinking you need to change your ways. Yeah. 0:16:39.320 --> 0:16:42.440 I've always kind of done comedy where I know that 0:16:42.520 --> 0:16:45.120 my parents are listening. My mom's listening right now. Yeah, 0:16:45.200 --> 0:16:46.840 she's just like, why do you have to say these 0:16:46.880 --> 0:16:51.560 horrible things? But I always say, once they pass, oh 0:16:52.000 --> 0:16:54.840 the edge I'm gonna throw on this world. Oh now 0:16:55.040 --> 0:16:56.520 that's going to be so like do you do you 0:16:56.520 --> 0:16:58.560 have that in your head, like, oh, if a couple 0:16:58.600 --> 0:17:01.560 of key family members were out picture, I'm gonna write 0:17:01.600 --> 0:17:02.520 some real juice. 0:17:02.640 --> 0:17:04.960 Yes I do. But I feel like my dad's not 0:17:05.000 --> 0:17:06.840 gonna die for a long time, so I'm just gonna 0:17:06.840 --> 0:17:07.600 have to do it now. 0:17:08.040 --> 0:17:10.200 Let's have him around for a long time. But he's 0:17:10.280 --> 0:17:11.679 leaving a lot of money on the table. 0:17:11.960 --> 0:17:16.240 Yeah he is. I'm telling you these when I go 0:17:16.320 --> 0:17:19.119 to these book signings and readers come up to me 0:17:19.440 --> 0:17:22.120 and they ask me like, what's your spice level? They 0:17:22.200 --> 0:17:23.760 are hungry for the spice. 0:17:24.160 --> 0:17:25.359 What is your spice level? 0:17:25.440 --> 0:17:28.440 I'm probably like a two or three peppers, but a 0:17:28.520 --> 0:17:30.440 five pepper is like everyone's fan favorite. 0:17:30.680 --> 0:17:31.440 Gosh. 0:17:31.520 --> 0:17:34.440 I mean the things that book signings that happen? Are 0:17:34.480 --> 0:17:36.480 crazy with just writing clean romance? 0:17:36.880 --> 0:17:38.359 Do you have photos in your books? 0:17:38.560 --> 0:17:40.639 Yes, a lot of authors are now doing that. I 0:17:40.680 --> 0:17:43.800 mean I just saw yesterday morning a cock with tentacles 0:17:43.840 --> 0:17:47.400 around it because it was a fantasy novel. It was wild. 0:17:47.840 --> 0:17:51.359 There is a book called A Court of Thorns and 0:17:51.480 --> 0:17:56.080 Roses that's fay porn. It's literally about fairies and it's 0:17:56.080 --> 0:17:58.239 fay porn and people love it. They devour it. 0:17:58.359 --> 0:18:01.480 What level do you take take the heat back? Like? 0:18:01.520 --> 0:18:03.000