WEBVTT - Mothers Part 2

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Part two of our Mother's Day episode. There

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<v Speaker 1>was so much to discuss, we had to do part two.

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<v Speaker 1>We did, and since our premiere episodes, so we wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to give people something a little extra. So we have

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<v Speaker 1>people calling in with advice about their children, which is

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<v Speaker 1>obviously going to be my wheelhouse, and you can pick

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<v Speaker 1>your own wheelhouse because that's mine. I picked it. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just like a monopoly figure is as we keep going,

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<v Speaker 1>I think your's is gay. That would make sense. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so these are women, they've got some kids that are

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<v Speaker 1>kind of sucked up. Well, we don't want to say

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<v Speaker 1>fucked up. You know, just because there's a situation happening

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't mean your kid is fucked up. It means your

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<v Speaker 1>kids might be behaving in a fucked up way. We

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to say you're fucked up. Nobody's fucked up.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a permanent description of somebody. And everything's temporary. So

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<v Speaker 1>that's the first thing to remember, everybody. Everything is temporary.

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<v Speaker 1>Even if you're an asshole, that can be temporary. Even

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<v Speaker 1>if a kid is an asshole, that can be a

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<v Speaker 1>temporaries asshole kid. And that's what I call attacked t

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<v Speaker 1>A k temporary asshole kid. Okay, Well, then today we

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<v Speaker 1>have a couple T a k S temporary asshole kids.

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<v Speaker 1>These kids are up to okay, okay. Laura is our

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<v Speaker 1>first submission. She is in her thirties. She's a newly

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<v Speaker 1>stay at home mom, and she says, Dear Chelsea, how

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<v Speaker 1>do I get my toddler to stop swearing? I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what sort of advice you're going to give? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I personally like when toddler swears, why so

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<v Speaker 1>I don't mind it, And I as far as parenting

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<v Speaker 1>goes like, they're going to find out what fuck and

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<v Speaker 1>you know in all these word because I've been saying

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<v Speaker 1>that word a lot later for some reason. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>they're gonna find out fun ship, piss, whatever, pussy. They're

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<v Speaker 1>going to hear these words. Yeah, they shouldn't be throwing

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<v Speaker 1>them around, but it is entertaining, and I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>the entertainment value aspect of it outweighs the moral one

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<v Speaker 1>because it's not really a moral argument. It's just like,

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<v Speaker 1>do you want your kids cursing or not? Obviously you don't,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think from like until they're five, it's fun. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>so she goes on to say. He typically says oh

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<v Speaker 1>ship with conviction and in perfect context. He's almost three,

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<v Speaker 1>so he's old enough to understand that he shouldn't be

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<v Speaker 1>saying these words. I've explained to him that he shouldn't,

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<v Speaker 1>and later that day he said, what the hell any advice? Hi? Laura,

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<v Speaker 1>Hi Chelsea? Hi? Is it funny? Him cursing, Yeah, it

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<v Speaker 1>sounds funny, It is funny. My husband and I usually

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<v Speaker 1>look at each other and kind of do a little

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<v Speaker 1>giggle and decide whether or not we're going to say

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<v Speaker 1>something to him or just trying to ignore it, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's just kind of a we never really know what

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<v Speaker 1>to do. Yeah, I think just go with it. I

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<v Speaker 1>had a friend who had a similar situation and she

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<v Speaker 1>told the kid, you can only say those words at home.

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<v Speaker 1>So I don't know what sort of impact that had,

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<v Speaker 1>but set it up that like, hey, you know, there

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<v Speaker 1>are certain things that you do and don't say in public,

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<v Speaker 1>and those were if you're going to say those words,

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<v Speaker 1>you only say them at home, like you don't say

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<v Speaker 1>them at school, you don't say them to another kid.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how that worked out for them, but

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<v Speaker 1>I would just like to provide you that sort of insight,

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<v Speaker 1>it's what another parents is doing. And also I would

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<v Speaker 1>enjoy the comic relief of it. Yes, it is very funny. However,

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<v Speaker 1>one time he did it when we had family members

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<v Speaker 1>over and they kind of shot us some weird looks,

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<v Speaker 1>so we were like, well, we're just trying to ignore

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<v Speaker 1>it right now. Yeah, but you know what fun people

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<v Speaker 1>like when family members how are so judgy about like

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<v Speaker 1>your toddler and about other people how they raise their children.

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<v Speaker 1>That is reason enough for your kid to be cursing.

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<v Speaker 1>In my opinion, there's more serious ship going on, Like

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<v Speaker 1>you guys have bigger fish to fry when you have

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<v Speaker 1>a kid. This is the thing, Chelsea is not ever

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<v Speaker 1>going to have kids. I'm on the fence. I really

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<v Speaker 1>wanted them, and now I can't imagine having to deal

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<v Speaker 1>with them. So I give like the utmost kudos to

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<v Speaker 1>anyone who is willing to give of themselves to raise children.

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<v Speaker 1>That is the least of your fucking worries. Is this

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<v Speaker 1>kid swearing? Like is he kind? That's something? Is he

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<v Speaker 1>pushing kids down on a playground? If the answer is no,

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<v Speaker 1>then like who the fun let him say funk? If

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<v Speaker 1>that's the worst thing this kid is doing, it's probably

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<v Speaker 1>not that bad. He'll grow out of it. He'll be

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<v Speaker 1>able to understand later. That's like not appropriate in certain settings.

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<v Speaker 1>But I would think also the less attention you draw

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<v Speaker 1>to it, the less it's going to have impact. Right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Like if you're laughing at him, like he sees he's

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<v Speaker 1>getting your attention, then of course he's going to want

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<v Speaker 1>more of it. So if you're laughing, which I you know, encourage,

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<v Speaker 1>I would look away and laugh with your husband, and then,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, just appreciate those little moments. Use it as

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<v Speaker 1>for play. Sounds good. Okay, thanks for calling in, Laura,

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much. If I had a kid, he

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<v Speaker 1>would be such a dick. Yeah, but not a dick

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<v Speaker 1>in like a celebrity. He would order cocktails at dinner

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<v Speaker 1>and stuff like that. He'd be a dick to me.

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<v Speaker 1>You would have one of those kids though, that people

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<v Speaker 1>want to be around. They engage an adult conversation, like

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<v Speaker 1>they know what the funk is up. I'm just so

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<v Speaker 1>so glad that I don't have children. I know, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>so grateful that that never happened to me. I'm so

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<v Speaker 1>grateful that I don't have someone at home when I

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<v Speaker 1>get home except for you and my bell and and

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<v Speaker 1>even my belt. I really don't want to get home

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<v Speaker 1>all the time. This is something that everyone should know.

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<v Speaker 1>When Chelsea comes home from a trip, she hates if

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<v Speaker 1>anyone to say She's like, I don't want to see

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<v Speaker 1>people when I come back. Mind you, I always have

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<v Speaker 1>to be there to make sure like things are on.

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<v Speaker 1>You can help me turn the lights on. Usually what

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<v Speaker 1>it is is, I'm bloated and tired. You want to decompress,

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<v Speaker 1>and I want to get in bed and sleep. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>so glad that I, like, there's no accidental pregnancies in

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<v Speaker 1>a gay relationship. But I thought for sure I was

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<v Speaker 1>going to have kids by the time I was twenty.

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<v Speaker 1>That's all I wanted. I ever even thought about that,

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<v Speaker 1>that you guys don't have to deal with the threat

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<v Speaker 1>of an accidental pregnancy. No, so it's you know, it

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<v Speaker 1>has to be much more organized if you're going to

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<v Speaker 1>have kids. But even then, yeah, like you have to

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<v Speaker 1>do not I cannot imagine having kids and just have

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<v Speaker 1>to to sacrifice yourself and your time and the questions

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<v Speaker 1>that they ask, repeated questions about the sun and the

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<v Speaker 1>moon and answers. I don't have, and I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to pretend to know ship that I don't. That is

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<v Speaker 1>so funny. My nephew called the other night and asking

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<v Speaker 1>me how the moon got its glow, and so then

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<v Speaker 1>I had to figure that out. I'm like Sun from

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<v Speaker 1>the Sun. Yeah, I am way late on the fucking

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<v Speaker 1>moon and Sunda from Google about three weeks ago, and

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<v Speaker 1>I got the moon and the sun were the same

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<v Speaker 1>fucking thing until like late in life. I thought Chicago

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<v Speaker 1>was a state until I was like nineteen, So that's

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<v Speaker 1>not saying much. But this seems to be a common problem,

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<v Speaker 1>these kids swearing. But guys, like, there's so much else

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<v Speaker 1>to worry about in life than your child saying shit,

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<v Speaker 1>So sweet, keep exposing yourself. My breasts are exposed and

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't even know stopped out and they're fucking huge

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<v Speaker 1>right now. I mean they're always big period. Okay, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>speaking of parenting styles, this next emission comes from Lindsay

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<v Speaker 1>A out of California. She writes, Dear Chelsea, my goddamn

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<v Speaker 1>four year old says some crazy shit. Usually I can

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<v Speaker 1>respond to him and help him understand. I speak to

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<v Speaker 1>him like an adult. He's allowed to use swear words,

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<v Speaker 1>which many think is fucked up. But whatever, the issue

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<v Speaker 1>that I'm having is he now tells me and anyone

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<v Speaker 1>who will listen, I feel like I want to suck

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<v Speaker 1>my penis. Now. If he's into penises, that's cool, but

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<v Speaker 1>I don't believe he is. I asked him why he

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<v Speaker 1>thought that, and he said that he wanted to see

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<v Speaker 1>what it tastes like. Please help, What the fund do

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<v Speaker 1>I say to this little weirdo, Well, it sounds like

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<v Speaker 1>you created this weirdo probably, And I want to suck

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<v Speaker 1>my penis isn't okay to say? Even if he is

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<v Speaker 1>into penises, like, who wants That's like me sitting there,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to suck my own beaver in nursery school. No,

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<v Speaker 1>kids aren't supposed to be talking like that for a reason,

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<v Speaker 1>so you can have your kid cursed all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>I also think kids cursing is funny. But I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you've made your bed, now you have to lie in it, right,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess? So? I mean, this isn't a situation i'd

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<v Speaker 1>ever want to encounter. I don't. I don't know what

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<v Speaker 1>you're seeing A kids saying I want to suck my

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<v Speaker 1>own you can just shut up? Yeah, exactly who are

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<v Speaker 1>the moms in your life that you know that, like

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<v Speaker 1>you watch their parenting style and think like that's a

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<v Speaker 1>good fucking mom or that's someone like that's the mom

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<v Speaker 1>I wish I had. Yeah, it's like long term, right,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I like kids who behave so I like

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<v Speaker 1>their parents, like kids who aren't like throwing iPads at

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<v Speaker 1>their mother's faces like that. You know, you could see

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<v Speaker 1>the difference in parenting and the effect on the child,

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<v Speaker 1>like children who say hello, goodbye, please, thank you, or

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<v Speaker 1>even more exciting as children that engage in conversation, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>where you can connect with a kid instead of them

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<v Speaker 1>just like looking at you as an adult and like, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. So which of your friends do you feel

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<v Speaker 1>like their parenting style is close as to how you

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<v Speaker 1>would parent I don't think about that, ever, there has

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<v Speaker 1>to be one of your friends. I just I like

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<v Speaker 1>the way Charlie's parents. Charlie's there on she's like fun

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<v Speaker 1>and cool. But again I'm not there all the time,

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<v Speaker 1>so I don't know. Like Charlie's just has that attitude

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<v Speaker 1>that I would want from my parents, Like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>she's strict, but she's totally real. Like yeah, like if

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<v Speaker 1>it's really funny. It's really funny, you know, like she's

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<v Speaker 1>not going to be in front of you doing that.

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<v Speaker 1>Like she's very she's more private about it, like when

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<v Speaker 1>she has to have real talks with her kids. She's

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<v Speaker 1>just like she's a real person all around. So I

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<v Speaker 1>respect how she behaves in general, but related to the kids, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I like those two kids a lot, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>that's a direct result of her and her mom's parenting. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>well we can call her right to get her on

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<v Speaker 1>the phone. Well, okay, we're gonna take a quick break,

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<v Speaker 1>and then we're gonna see if Charlie's their own or throne. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>is around and throne Charlie's They're wrong throne. We'll find

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<v Speaker 1>out when we get her on the phone. Hi, we're

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<v Speaker 1>back and guess what we do have Charlie's their own

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<v Speaker 1>on the phone. Sweetheart. Are you ready to speak to

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<v Speaker 1>our friend since we just discussed her parenting style, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we should wish her, Yeah, a happy Mother's day. Hi,

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<v Speaker 1>Charlie's Hi, chicken. Oh, we were talking about you and

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<v Speaker 1>we've decided to call you to wish you a happy

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<v Speaker 1>Mother's Day. What you're so cute? How many Mother's Day

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<v Speaker 1>I had asked Chelsea, who amongst her friends has a

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<v Speaker 1>parenting style that would be most aligned with how Chelsea

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<v Speaker 1>would parent should she have kids, and she said that

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<v Speaker 1>your parenting style was the one she appreciated the most. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>just given that we all know how little she wants

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<v Speaker 1>to do with kids, like for herself, I take that

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<v Speaker 1>as a real compliment because you really just don't want

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<v Speaker 1>your own kids. So I mean that's like a really

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<v Speaker 1>high compliment to get from you. Thank you. It means

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<v Speaker 1>you're doing something right with those two. What is it

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<v Speaker 1>is specifically that you think that I'm so good at

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<v Speaker 1>because it's probably if it comes from you, it probably

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<v Speaker 1>means I'm doing it raw. It's a good note Charley's

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<v Speaker 1>I would say, like, I like that when you get mad,

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<v Speaker 1>like you have long, serious talks with them, almost like

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<v Speaker 1>they're you're equal, like they're adults. That's how I would

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<v Speaker 1>describe it. I feel like we do parents a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit like we were parented and then we also I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know whether it's trauma or what it is that

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<v Speaker 1>makes us kind of a race some of that stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>but I do know that my mom brought that into

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<v Speaker 1>her parenting and I always appreciated it because it always

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<v Speaker 1>that was my first introduction to respect was my mother

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<v Speaker 1>treating me that way, and it felt very respectful. And

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<v Speaker 1>I remember being a young girl and you're like, wow,

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<v Speaker 1>my mom has so much respect for me, Like she's

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<v Speaker 1>sitting me down, she's having this discussion with me. And

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<v Speaker 1>so I try to do that with my kids and

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<v Speaker 1>they respond to it. I only do what works, and

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<v Speaker 1>this seems to work. I think your dryers is done

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<v Speaker 1>and your laundry is ready. Well, I'm doing laundry. Okay,

0:11:37.640 --> 0:11:39.920
<v Speaker 1>this motherfucker over here cleans your house. You don't have

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<v Speaker 1>to try and prove yourself to be real and down

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<v Speaker 1>to earth. Okay, Chirley's nobody has any time for that.

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<v Speaker 1>We need your advice. We had a caller call in

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<v Speaker 1>and she has a little boy that curses and says,

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<v Speaker 1>we had a couple of submissions children who are cursing incessantly,

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<v Speaker 1>and then one child who is like getting to know

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<v Speaker 1>his own anatomy and is very fascinated with his own

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<v Speaker 1>dick and he really wants to suck his own dick.

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<v Speaker 1>He says it. He says, I want to suck in

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<v Speaker 1>my own dick and I was like, well, I really

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<v Speaker 1>don't know what to say about that, because that's actual

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<v Speaker 1>real parenting. So do you have any advice for them?

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<v Speaker 1>Both of them? There were two? How old are these kids?

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<v Speaker 1>One I think was three and the other was four.

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<v Speaker 1>They were like old enough to kind of know what

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<v Speaker 1>was going on, like one who was swearing knew how

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<v Speaker 1>to use it in context with the three year old

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<v Speaker 1>or four there. So they're both like really young, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So they're off to a strong start, is our point.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I guess my other question it would just

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<v Speaker 1>for contacts. Do they have siblings? Were the only children?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you guys know? They did not preface a great question,

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<v Speaker 1>and if we were actually good at this, we would

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<v Speaker 1>have asked it. I would say that with young kids,

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<v Speaker 1>I think to lean into anything too much as a mistake.

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<v Speaker 1>I think, you know, sometimes we worry when they say

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<v Speaker 1>inappropriate things or when they touched themselves in and I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's purely just innocent to them. It's spluratory. They're

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<v Speaker 1>just they're figuring shut out, and some of it is

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<v Speaker 1>uncomfortable for us to watch, but you have to always

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<v Speaker 1>remind yourself at that age they're not hurting anybody and I,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, not to embarrass my children, but there was

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<v Speaker 1>definitely one of my kids who loved like just the

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<v Speaker 1>feeling of things touching down there. So there's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of like grinding on pillows and she would say blatantly

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<v Speaker 1>says she's like that feels so good, and it made

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<v Speaker 1>me so uncomfortable. And I knew that she was doing

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<v Speaker 1>it a little bit of preschool, and so my conversation

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<v Speaker 1>with her was just like, that's awesome, Like I want

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<v Speaker 1>her to have like really just love how good things

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<v Speaker 1>feel on her body, but to know that maybe she

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<v Speaker 1>should just keep it in our house and not you know,

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<v Speaker 1>there are certain things that we maybe we don't take

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<v Speaker 1>to preschool. So I and then it went away, Like

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<v Speaker 1>I think when you make a big deal out of it,

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<v Speaker 1>it may it becomes a bigger thing. And with her,

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<v Speaker 1>as soon as I told her that it was fine

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<v Speaker 1>to do it, it's almost like she lost interest and

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<v Speaker 1>then she stopped doing it. The swearing thing is is

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<v Speaker 1>interesting because I think my youngest one struggles with that

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<v Speaker 1>more than my older one. So that's why I was

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<v Speaker 1>asking if there was siblings, and like, if there's a sibling,

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't know, maybe I'm like a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>more lenient with my older kid, Jackson, and so the

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<v Speaker 1>little one really wants to join the coolness. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I let Jackson. Every once in a while, I'll be like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm okay with you saying there's certain words that people

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<v Speaker 1>think are swearing that I'm just like, that's not swearing.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, like, but you can say, but you

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<v Speaker 1>can say like they're just they're like the S word.

0:14:37.840 --> 0:14:40.320
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, what's the S word? Ship? And they're like, no, stupid,

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm like, it's like we're just getting a little

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<v Speaker 1>too like just speak normal. And then every once in

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<v Speaker 1>a while, because we are very big Route Paul fans

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<v Speaker 1>in this house, there's a lot of exectives. And the

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<v Speaker 1>one reason the rule that I have is like when

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<v Speaker 1>you get your swear license when you're older, you can

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<v Speaker 1>talk like this, but up until then, you're you're not

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<v Speaker 1>going to talk like that. And so every once in

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<v Speaker 1>a while when we watch it, they'll say like, can

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<v Speaker 1>I just say the B work just once? Can I

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<v Speaker 1>just say it once? And also they're surrounded by you

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<v Speaker 1>and Gerda, so I mean, where do you think they're

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<v Speaker 1>picking this up in the first place? From you guys

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<v Speaker 1>and Gerda just so you know, as Charlie's mom, and

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<v Speaker 1>they basically copare it together. I'm gonna blame it on

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<v Speaker 1>Rue and I'm gonna say it's not us. The swearing

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<v Speaker 1>thing goes a little far right. It's like I've had

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<v Speaker 1>kids say to me like, you can't play that song

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<v Speaker 1>because there's it's not the clean version. You guys won't

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<v Speaker 1>know this because you don't have kids, but literally kids

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<v Speaker 1>will talk like that, be like, no, we can't listen

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<v Speaker 1>to this, it's not the clean version. And I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>we're listening to this. It's playing in my car, We're

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<v Speaker 1>listening to it. So do you think it's like an

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<v Speaker 1>over correction? Is it about teaching your kids how to

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<v Speaker 1>like just respectfully communicate that, Like these are all words

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<v Speaker 1>that we're all going to use at some point, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's just about how you're using them, Like you're not

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<v Speaker 1>going to go out and call another kid on a

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<v Speaker 1>playground a bit no listen. I am probably not the

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<v Speaker 1>right person any advice like when it comes to swearing,

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<v Speaker 1>because like Chelsea said, I really I really love to

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<v Speaker 1>swear and I learned it from my mother, and my

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<v Speaker 1>mother is Ton times worse than I am. So I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure my kids are either gonna go the complete opposite

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<v Speaker 1>and not swear at all, or they're gonna totally lean

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<v Speaker 1>in and like, you know, stop their flak jackets. But

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like it's language that when you're older you

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<v Speaker 1>can just like I don't feel comfortable with my kids

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<v Speaker 1>up until, like way into their teens, you know, saying

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<v Speaker 1>bitch every once in a while, Like I do think

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<v Speaker 1>it's funny, and I have to watch myself. Like the

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<v Speaker 1>little one will say it with like she's just lost

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<v Speaker 1>her upper two so she's got this big cap and

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<v Speaker 1>she'd be like based every group, Paul, she gets one

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<v Speaker 1>try at just one chance, like and then she knows

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<v Speaker 1>she can't say it again. She's like, can I say it?

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<v Speaker 1>Can I say it? I'm like, all right, go for it.

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<v Speaker 1>She's like, bits, Hey. You know what I was talking

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<v Speaker 1>to Brandon about the other day that made me want

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<v Speaker 1>to talk to you is we were talking about apologizing

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<v Speaker 1>and how like one of the first times I learned

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<v Speaker 1>to apologize was after you and I got in that

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<v Speaker 1>really stupid fight in South Africa. We went to South

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<v Speaker 1>Africa for your charity A C. T. A o P.

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<v Speaker 1>Charlie's they're in African outreach program, which everybody should know about.

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<v Speaker 1>I was just being crabby or bitchy, and everyone kept

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<v Speaker 1>using that phrase a hundred percent, and you and Mary

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<v Speaker 1>kept saying a hundred percent, a hundred hundred percent, And

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<v Speaker 1>finally I was like, can you flee stop fucking saying

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<v Speaker 1>a hundred percent? And Charlie's was like, whoa, whoa, whoa,

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<v Speaker 1>what's your problem, dude? And we got into like this

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<v Speaker 1>fight because of because of that, because you guys have

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<v Speaker 1>been friends for a long time, was this your first

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<v Speaker 1>fight or disagreement? Pretty much? Yeah, sure, definitely. Yeah. I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like that was the first time that we spent

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<v Speaker 1>like we were together for close to two weeks. I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like, right we were traveling, and I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>the old thing is true, like you really get to

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<v Speaker 1>know somebody when you travel with them like that. That's

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<v Speaker 1>when you see them not just in an hourly period

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<v Speaker 1>in a weekly schedule, like you see them every single day,

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<v Speaker 1>and especially on those trips, we do everything together. We

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<v Speaker 1>have breakfast together, we eat dinner together, we write in

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<v Speaker 1>bands together, you know, for five hours and then we

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<v Speaker 1>get on a plane and so the whole. It's intense travel,

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<v Speaker 1>it's exhausting, and there's so many moving parts to it.

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<v Speaker 1>So so then you're on this trip and this like,

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<v Speaker 1>even though it seems a minor conflict or conversation, what

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<v Speaker 1>happens does it escalate? Who addresses it? Well, we left

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<v Speaker 1>the trip and we were like, I had bad vibes

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<v Speaker 1>going at the end of the trip, Like I kind

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<v Speaker 1>of blew up at dinner, and then I like went

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<v Speaker 1>up to my room and then we just all kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like played nice for the rest of the trip,

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<v Speaker 1>but we didn't really talk about it. So we flew home,

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<v Speaker 1>and then when we got home after a few days

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<v Speaker 1>had passed, I was like one of us said, let's

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<v Speaker 1>talk about it, and I went over to Charlie's and

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<v Speaker 1>we had that really nice long talk. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>that's saying about being able to apologize is so liberating,

0:18:51.400 --> 0:18:54.480
<v Speaker 1>is cheesy, but it's so true. Being able to apologize

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<v Speaker 1>is like such a friendship builder. Also because you end

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<v Speaker 1>up do you do become closer because you're you're more honest.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you can say I fucked up and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sorry and I won't do it again, or I hope

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not doing it again, you know that sort of thing.

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<v Speaker 1>So we were talking about that the other day and

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<v Speaker 1>I just thought that was a sweet memory and I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to issue a happy Mother's Day, so I thought,

0:19:13.600 --> 0:19:16.480
<v Speaker 1>let's call my baby. You know. The thing that I

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<v Speaker 1>remember the most was listening your role. I hate this word,

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<v Speaker 1>but your journey with Dan is really inspiring my therapist Dan,

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<v Speaker 1>and was then even to me because you were just

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<v Speaker 1>the evidence of whatever he was sharing with you information wise.

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<v Speaker 1>That was just I thought, really powerful because you change.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a deeper thing with you, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>that was the thing that freaked me out a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit was because nobody gets that upset about anybody saying

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<v Speaker 1>a hundred percent, maybe way too much like I did

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<v Speaker 1>on that trip, but you know, and having some perspective

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<v Speaker 1>on like what we were doing there, and like the

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<v Speaker 1>conversations that we were having. Part of me was like,

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<v Speaker 1>who gets the funk if I say a hundred percent

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<v Speaker 1>a thousand times we're talking about investing in use here

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<v Speaker 1>and like future leaders of Africa, Like fuck you. So

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<v Speaker 1>when we came back and you reached out to me,

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<v Speaker 1>it just I think the thing about good friends is

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<v Speaker 1>that you reached out came over, was not defensive at all,

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<v Speaker 1>told me a little bit about Dan, but didn't say

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<v Speaker 1>it in a way that felt like you were justifying

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<v Speaker 1>your behavior. And then I just remember you being so

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<v Speaker 1>sincerely sorry, and I was like, fuck, Like that's great

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<v Speaker 1>right there, and deep down inside I thought thank you

0:20:37.840 --> 0:20:40.960
<v Speaker 1>because I don't say a thousand times now and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure I sound way more intelligent, but I didn't want

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<v Speaker 1>to let you know that in the moment. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I think of you almost like Chelsea pre

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<v Speaker 1>our Africa trip and then Chelsea after our Africa trip,

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<v Speaker 1>Like it's really like, that's how I think of you.

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<v Speaker 1>You've really changed so more than anybody in my life. Actually,

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<v Speaker 1>you are the person in my life that has definitely

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<v Speaker 1>made the biggest changes. So now, looking back on this,

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<v Speaker 1>do you think that you would have apologized immediately after,

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<v Speaker 1>like or do you think you still would have needed

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<v Speaker 1>some time to decompress from it. If I know, if

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<v Speaker 1>I hadn't been in therapy, I would have been defensive still,

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<v Speaker 1>like I would have just been you know, but now

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<v Speaker 1>with your knowledge and your experience, like, was that something

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<v Speaker 1>you would have had this altercation at dinner? Yeah, we

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<v Speaker 1>never get upset at dinner for somebody saying a would

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<v Speaker 1>you apologize quicker? Yes? And of course, of course yes, yes.

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<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't have held on to it. I would have

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<v Speaker 1>been like, I'm so sorry about my outburst. That's the

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<v Speaker 1>best type of relationship, the ones that you can and

0:21:42.920 --> 0:21:45.480
<v Speaker 1>want to apologize for. Yes, you know what, what you

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<v Speaker 1>just brought up was my bigger problem with her when

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<v Speaker 1>she eventually came over, because remember Chelsea, I said to you.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, it's the fact that you just stayed

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<v Speaker 1>there and like never addressed it, and I felt like

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of the trip was destroyed. I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>we were like so weird with each other and then

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<v Speaker 1>we just sit on planes with each other and it

0:22:04.240 --> 0:22:06.440
<v Speaker 1>was so fucking awkward, and there were other people there,

0:22:06.480 --> 0:22:08.800
<v Speaker 1>and I was like, I love that she calls me

0:22:08.840 --> 0:22:10.639
<v Speaker 1>out on ship. I love that that's who she is.

0:22:10.680 --> 0:22:13.280
<v Speaker 1>I hope she never loses that. I don't mind her

0:22:13.400 --> 0:22:15.760
<v Speaker 1>calling me out and be like, you sound like an idiot,

0:22:15.840 --> 0:22:18.639
<v Speaker 1>don't say that. But there was this aggression behind it,

0:22:18.760 --> 0:22:22.119
<v Speaker 1>and then she hung onto it. And I now know

0:22:22.320 --> 0:22:24.920
<v Speaker 1>for a fact that that's not Chelsea anymore. Like I

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<v Speaker 1>know that if something came up between us, Chelsea would

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<v Speaker 1>address it. She wouldn't be defensive, she'd be sincere and

0:22:31.440 --> 0:22:33.680
<v Speaker 1>wanting to know what the funk it is. It's really

0:22:34.000 --> 0:22:38.120
<v Speaker 1>it's incredible, it's really inspiring. Okay. So can I ask,

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<v Speaker 1>for other people who are listening, what was the reasoning

0:22:40.560 --> 0:22:43.920
<v Speaker 1>behind Charley's you not addressing it, like giving her the

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<v Speaker 1>day and then being like, hey, we can't go on

0:22:45.680 --> 0:22:47.320
<v Speaker 1>the rest of the trip like this. So for people

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<v Speaker 1>who have that dynamic with a friend or a family

0:22:49.240 --> 0:22:51.600
<v Speaker 1>member where one of them responds differently, like you know,

0:22:51.720 --> 0:22:54.440
<v Speaker 1>they need either more time or they hold onto things longer,

0:22:55.040 --> 0:22:57.480
<v Speaker 1>I don't feel like maybe it's always the person's responsibility

0:22:57.520 --> 0:23:00.640
<v Speaker 1>who isn't holding onto it. But in that since, why

0:23:00.680 --> 0:23:02.480
<v Speaker 1>didn't you just address it, knowing that you had these

0:23:02.600 --> 0:23:06.159
<v Speaker 1>extra days? All right, listen, I should have, Yes, I

0:23:06.200 --> 0:23:07.880
<v Speaker 1>should have. I know, I think you did. You came

0:23:07.920 --> 0:23:09.719
<v Speaker 1>up to my hotel room the next morning. I went

0:23:09.800 --> 0:23:12.640
<v Speaker 1>to her room and and I tried. But I would

0:23:12.640 --> 0:23:14.720
<v Speaker 1>also be very honest in saying that I was really

0:23:14.800 --> 0:23:18.880
<v Speaker 1>pissed and I felt like there wasn't there was so much.

0:23:19.160 --> 0:23:21.440
<v Speaker 1>And this is again, you know, you have to watch

0:23:21.480 --> 0:23:23.120
<v Speaker 1>yourself when you talk about this stuff because I don't

0:23:23.119 --> 0:23:26.000
<v Speaker 1>want to sound like I'm making excuses, but like part

0:23:26.080 --> 0:23:27.679
<v Speaker 1>of me was so pissed that I went to her

0:23:27.760 --> 0:23:30.119
<v Speaker 1>room and I was like, instead of going to her

0:23:30.160 --> 0:23:32.040
<v Speaker 1>room and be like, what's going I did say what's

0:23:32.040 --> 0:23:34.400
<v Speaker 1>going on? And I knew we weren't going to get there.

0:23:34.520 --> 0:23:37.080
<v Speaker 1>There was a lot we were basically packing to get

0:23:37.119 --> 0:23:40.200
<v Speaker 1>onto another plane. But you're right, brind And like, the

0:23:40.320 --> 0:23:44.560
<v Speaker 1>thing that I learned was that I am a little

0:23:44.600 --> 0:23:47.400
<v Speaker 1>bit scared of conflict. I'm scared of rocking the boat, right.

0:23:47.680 --> 0:23:50.960
<v Speaker 1>And there was some stuff going on with my mom.

0:23:51.080 --> 0:23:53.399
<v Speaker 1>We were home, we were kind of reminiscing about our

0:23:53.480 --> 0:23:56.560
<v Speaker 1>family lives, and like there was just some deeper issue

0:23:56.560 --> 0:23:59.520
<v Speaker 1>stuff going on with me as well. So part of

0:23:59.600 --> 0:24:01.919
<v Speaker 1>me and going into that room, I wish I went

0:24:01.960 --> 0:24:03.960
<v Speaker 1>to that room and just said I'm not leaving here

0:24:04.160 --> 0:24:07.240
<v Speaker 1>until you can actually just sit down, be quiet, look

0:24:07.359 --> 0:24:10.440
<v Speaker 1>me in the eye, don't move, make eye contact, and

0:24:10.560 --> 0:24:12.760
<v Speaker 1>be fucking a us. Since your moment with me where

0:24:12.800 --> 0:24:14.639
<v Speaker 1>we look at each other and we're like, what are

0:24:14.640 --> 0:24:17.120
<v Speaker 1>we doing? This is ridiculous? Well, because when I think

0:24:17.160 --> 0:24:19.399
<v Speaker 1>of you two, that's how I see you in your

0:24:19.480 --> 0:24:22.879
<v Speaker 1>dynamic together like I always compartmentalize her friends into her

0:24:22.960 --> 0:24:27.400
<v Speaker 1>celebrity friends and then her real friends, and you are

0:24:27.840 --> 0:24:31.040
<v Speaker 1>like that center piece. You are a real friend who

0:24:31.119 --> 0:24:33.880
<v Speaker 1>happens to be a celebrity, and a lot of times

0:24:34.080 --> 0:24:35.920
<v Speaker 1>that wouldn't be a conversation that you have with another

0:24:36.000 --> 0:24:37.960
<v Speaker 1>person who's just in the industry. You're on this trip

0:24:38.040 --> 0:24:39.880
<v Speaker 1>and like you come and go and you never speak again.

0:24:40.160 --> 0:24:43.520
<v Speaker 1>I think our connection is very We became really good

0:24:43.560 --> 0:24:48.000
<v Speaker 1>friends because I think we appreciate that directness. I think

0:24:48.040 --> 0:24:51.439
<v Speaker 1>we appreciate that directness that no bullshit, like a lot

0:24:51.520 --> 0:24:53.720
<v Speaker 1>of people are scared by that. I think Chelsea would

0:24:53.720 --> 0:24:55.760
<v Speaker 1>speak that too, Like I've met women in my life

0:24:55.760 --> 0:24:58.600
<v Speaker 1>we're like, I'm just scared, Like you're too direct, you're

0:24:58.640 --> 0:25:00.840
<v Speaker 1>too honest, Like I don't know what's gonna come out

0:25:00.880 --> 0:25:02.760
<v Speaker 1>of your mouth. And I think when you meet a

0:25:02.880 --> 0:25:05.560
<v Speaker 1>like minded person the way Chelsea and I met each other,

0:25:05.680 --> 0:25:07.480
<v Speaker 1>we're like, funk, Okay, I'm not scared of you, and

0:25:07.600 --> 0:25:09.440
<v Speaker 1>she's like, I'm not scared of you, bitch. As a

0:25:09.480 --> 0:25:11.920
<v Speaker 1>matter of fact, stop saying because you sound like a

0:25:11.960 --> 0:25:15.560
<v Speaker 1>fucking yeah, that's not our problem. But I think in

0:25:15.640 --> 0:25:17.639
<v Speaker 1>that moment, I also realized like if we were going

0:25:17.680 --> 0:25:20.600
<v Speaker 1>to fight, we were going to be both stubborn, right,

0:25:20.840 --> 0:25:23.280
<v Speaker 1>And like, that's my problem. I have to work with that.

0:25:23.480 --> 0:25:27.239
<v Speaker 1>Like I find that sometimes I'm expecting wig too much

0:25:27.320 --> 0:25:30.320
<v Speaker 1>from the other person instead of just like bringing my

0:25:30.520 --> 0:25:32.840
<v Speaker 1>end to it, my part and then like letting it

0:25:32.960 --> 0:25:35.440
<v Speaker 1>be and like then going Okay, I did what I

0:25:35.520 --> 0:25:37.159
<v Speaker 1>was supposed to do. Instead I'm like, what are you

0:25:37.160 --> 0:25:39.760
<v Speaker 1>gonna do? How are you going to fix this? But again,

0:25:39.840 --> 0:25:41.439
<v Speaker 1>that's kind of like the perfect way to wrap this up,

0:25:41.480 --> 0:25:44.399
<v Speaker 1>because that is you always go into these things with

0:25:45.560 --> 0:25:48.440
<v Speaker 1>the intention to fix your part, Like you can't fix

0:25:48.480 --> 0:25:51.680
<v Speaker 1>the other person and you can't make them respond to

0:25:51.720 --> 0:25:53.000
<v Speaker 1>what you want them too. So you just have to

0:25:53.040 --> 0:25:55.840
<v Speaker 1>operate in the best way for yourself, knowing that you're

0:25:55.920 --> 0:25:58.840
<v Speaker 1>doing what you can in that relationship. And so you

0:25:58.880 --> 0:26:00.920
<v Speaker 1>can't always expect the other gonna meet you halfways. You

0:26:01.000 --> 0:26:03.119
<v Speaker 1>kind of have to go yourself and if they end

0:26:03.240 --> 0:26:04.720
<v Speaker 1>up meeting you, great, and if not, like you know,

0:26:04.840 --> 0:26:08.000
<v Speaker 1>you've done your part. What a beautiful wrap up, sweetheart.

0:26:08.080 --> 0:26:09.240
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what I would have done if you

0:26:09.280 --> 0:26:11.560
<v Speaker 1>and Churet least would have broken up. Am I going

0:26:11.600 --> 0:26:15.320
<v Speaker 1>to see you later tonight. Yeah, oh awesome, I can't wait.

0:26:15.560 --> 0:26:18.120
<v Speaker 1>You guys, I'm so proud of you for doing this podcast.

0:26:18.280 --> 0:26:22.800
<v Speaker 1>This is so thank you for taking the call. You

0:26:22.880 --> 0:26:25.119
<v Speaker 1>never know who's going to pick up, so we are

0:26:25.280 --> 0:26:27.680
<v Speaker 1>Do people just call in like the like people just

0:26:27.840 --> 0:26:30.879
<v Speaker 1>call in and ask questions and stuff. People call it

0:26:30.960 --> 0:26:33.080
<v Speaker 1>for advice on stuff and we either talk to them

0:26:33.200 --> 0:26:36.000
<v Speaker 1>or we read their question and then we chime in. Yeah,

0:26:36.080 --> 0:26:38.320
<v Speaker 1>sometimes you have to bring an expert in. Yeah, sometimes

0:26:38.359 --> 0:26:40.280
<v Speaker 1>we have to bring an expert in. A celebrity guest,

0:26:40.400 --> 0:26:42.600
<v Speaker 1>you know that kind of thing. You guys should probably

0:26:42.640 --> 0:26:45.320
<v Speaker 1>make them sign some kind of a liability like I mean,

0:26:46.280 --> 0:26:51.440
<v Speaker 1>trying to preface to take all the advice and nondisclosure agreement. Well,

0:26:51.480 --> 0:26:54.879
<v Speaker 1>happy Mother's Day. Tell gird a happy Mother's Day. Happy

0:26:54.960 --> 0:26:57.159
<v Speaker 1>Mother's Day baby, thank you, and don't take any of

0:26:57.200 --> 0:27:02.840
<v Speaker 1>my kid advice please all right, bye, thank you, I

0:27:02.960 --> 0:27:06.480
<v Speaker 1>see you later. I just love her. Let's tell people

0:27:06.480 --> 0:27:10.040
<v Speaker 1>about Charlie's charity please. Yeah, So it's Charlie's. They're an

0:27:10.040 --> 0:27:13.960
<v Speaker 1>African outreach program. They provide schooling and education for people.

0:27:14.600 --> 0:27:17.440
<v Speaker 1>They provide scholarships for young girls to go to college,

0:27:17.800 --> 0:27:20.439
<v Speaker 1>and they do a lot of HIV prevention and they

0:27:20.520 --> 0:27:23.520
<v Speaker 1>serve tons of adolescence in all of Africa, so it's

0:27:23.680 --> 0:27:26.960
<v Speaker 1>really really important work anything else, sweetheart, Well, they can

0:27:27.000 --> 0:27:30.240
<v Speaker 1>donate online if they want to go to Charlie's Africa

0:27:30.640 --> 0:27:33.639
<v Speaker 1>Charley's Africa Outreach dot org. Yeah, they can donate right

0:27:33.720 --> 0:27:35.440
<v Speaker 1>on the home screen. It's really easy in the money's

0:27:35.440 --> 0:27:38.280
<v Speaker 1>actually going to And we donate, sweetheart, as a family,

0:27:38.359 --> 0:27:40.840
<v Speaker 1>we donate every year. Do your part. Donate. That would

0:27:40.840 --> 0:27:43.440
<v Speaker 1>be a very good Mother's Day donation For anybody who's

0:27:43.480 --> 0:27:45.880
<v Speaker 1>listening that's a mother, and for anybody who's listening that's

0:27:45.920 --> 0:27:48.479
<v Speaker 1>not a mother. We should all donate for Mother's Day.

0:27:48.680 --> 0:27:50.960
<v Speaker 1>I'll make a donation in your name, sweetheart. Oh, sweetheart,

0:27:51.000 --> 0:27:53.600
<v Speaker 1>thank you. You're not a mother and that's for the best. Yes, well,

0:27:53.640 --> 0:27:56.800
<v Speaker 1>it seems like you and Shirley's had very similar parenting styles. Yeah,

0:27:56.920 --> 0:27:59.600
<v Speaker 1>very similar takes on the swearing and not drawing attention

0:27:59.640 --> 0:28:02.280
<v Speaker 1>to it, keeping it in the home. So I mean,

0:28:02.880 --> 0:28:05.040
<v Speaker 1>maybe you're honestly, maybe you could be a mother. I

0:28:05.200 --> 0:28:06.719
<v Speaker 1>just know if I had a kid, I'd want them

0:28:06.800 --> 0:28:08.680
<v Speaker 1>to be cool, like I want them to be cool.

0:28:08.840 --> 0:28:11.120
<v Speaker 1>Don't be a dick, don't be an asshole. Don't throw

0:28:11.160 --> 0:28:14.280
<v Speaker 1>your iPad ever at anybody or even I wouldn't want

0:28:14.280 --> 0:28:15.879
<v Speaker 1>a kid like that, so I would have to be

0:28:16.240 --> 0:28:18.920
<v Speaker 1>really diligent. You want your kid to have a childhood

0:28:19.000 --> 0:28:21.040
<v Speaker 1>and experience that and enjoy it, but you also want

0:28:21.080 --> 0:28:23.880
<v Speaker 1>them to operate a certain way around adults, like don't

0:28:23.880 --> 0:28:26.560
<v Speaker 1>be a fucking asshole. Yeah, I mean I was a

0:28:26.760 --> 0:28:29.600
<v Speaker 1>real fucking asshole growing up, Like I was the worst

0:28:29.680 --> 0:28:32.399
<v Speaker 1>that you could possibly be. I was. I put my

0:28:32.480 --> 0:28:37.959
<v Speaker 1>parents through hell pregnancies. You know, I read I can

0:28:38.000 --> 0:28:40.760
<v Speaker 1>have a kid to break that cycle. What cycle? I mean,

0:28:40.960 --> 0:28:43.800
<v Speaker 1>asshole cycle? Oh oh right, I thought you met my

0:28:43.880 --> 0:28:47.400
<v Speaker 1>menstrual cycle. No, your period is coming, though it's coming,

0:28:47.480 --> 0:28:51.560
<v Speaker 1>it's always around the corner. I thought we were going

0:28:51.600 --> 0:28:54.000
<v Speaker 1>to try and get me to get early onset menopause

0:28:54.120 --> 0:28:57.440
<v Speaker 1>or is it outset? Is it outset? Well, when you're

0:28:57.640 --> 0:28:59.680
<v Speaker 1>on the beginning, on the precipice of something, you're on

0:28:59.760 --> 0:29:03.720
<v Speaker 1>the said of it, though, aren't you. You're you're the human,

0:29:03.920 --> 0:29:05.920
<v Speaker 1>the source and dictionary. I don't know. You tell me

0:29:07.280 --> 0:29:09.280
<v Speaker 1>I have to look into it, all right? Well, thank

0:29:09.320 --> 0:29:11.360
<v Speaker 1>you Shirley's but we should probably thinking Gerda her mom

0:29:11.440 --> 0:29:15.640
<v Speaker 1>because whatever. Yeah, thanks bitch, that's what she calls me.

0:29:15.800 --> 0:29:17.920
<v Speaker 1>Gerda calls me bitch, and I call her bitch. Well,

0:29:18.040 --> 0:29:20.840
<v Speaker 1>thank you bitch, and thank you Shirleys for calling it.

0:29:20.960 --> 0:29:27.840
<v Speaker 1>Taking the time to do this, we learned a lot well.

0:29:27.880 --> 0:29:31.040
<v Speaker 1>Our last submission comes from a Gabby. Is it my

0:29:31.080 --> 0:29:32.960
<v Speaker 1>aunt Gabby? Because that's like her to write it and

0:29:33.280 --> 0:29:37.960
<v Speaker 1>propose as somebody else, although I posing as else? Okay,

0:29:38.080 --> 0:29:41.240
<v Speaker 1>read it? Okay, Dear Chelsea. My girlfriend wants kids, not

0:29:41.440 --> 0:29:43.560
<v Speaker 1>now necessarily, but in the next few years, which, as

0:29:43.600 --> 0:29:46.800
<v Speaker 1>a lesbian couple, would require some effort. I love kids,

0:29:46.880 --> 0:29:48.840
<v Speaker 1>and she's always wanted them and I didn't, so it's

0:29:48.840 --> 0:29:52.240
<v Speaker 1>a bit of an adjustment for me. My girlfriend's suggestion

0:29:52.400 --> 0:29:54.800
<v Speaker 1>is using my eighteen year old brothers sperm to make

0:29:54.840 --> 0:29:59.240
<v Speaker 1>this hypothetical child, causing my anxiety to quadruple. I bought

0:29:59.280 --> 0:30:01.280
<v Speaker 1>a book on the said jacked, and honestly, it covers

0:30:01.360 --> 0:30:05.000
<v Speaker 1>too many batship scenarios. My mom had the same idea

0:30:05.000 --> 0:30:07.320
<v Speaker 1>as my girlfriend and offered up my brother's sperm. My

0:30:07.400 --> 0:30:09.400
<v Speaker 1>mom recognized that my brother is too young to make

0:30:09.520 --> 0:30:12.040
<v Speaker 1>that call and shared some of her own concerns. How

0:30:12.120 --> 0:30:14.880
<v Speaker 1>old is her brother's eighteen why is he too young? Oh?

0:30:14.960 --> 0:30:19.160
<v Speaker 1>Too young? My girlfriend is worried about picking some random

0:30:19.160 --> 0:30:21.080
<v Speaker 1>sperm from a bank. So I guess the question is,

0:30:21.360 --> 0:30:23.920
<v Speaker 1>how the fund do you pick sperm? I don't know,

0:30:24.040 --> 0:30:26.040
<v Speaker 1>but I find the brother thing to be weird too,

0:30:26.320 --> 0:30:28.600
<v Speaker 1>But that's something people go through. No, I well, I

0:30:28.680 --> 0:30:30.800
<v Speaker 1>get it, and I get it. It's your genes, but like,

0:30:30.920 --> 0:30:33.120
<v Speaker 1>are you that married to having your own? It's like,

0:30:33.200 --> 0:30:35.720
<v Speaker 1>how important are those genes to you? I'm fine with

0:30:35.800 --> 0:30:40.120
<v Speaker 1>someone else's jeans. I prefer it. Actually, just break that side. Yeah,

0:30:40.200 --> 0:30:42.600
<v Speaker 1>I mean she doesn't. She hasn't thought about that much

0:30:42.640 --> 0:30:45.360
<v Speaker 1>about having a child in the first place. And to

0:30:45.480 --> 0:30:48.440
<v Speaker 1>have your brother's child, I mean, the brother's eighteen. That's

0:30:48.480 --> 0:30:51.440
<v Speaker 1>really not fair to him either. Well, Gabby's on the phone,

0:30:51.480 --> 0:30:54.880
<v Speaker 1>so let's see what sort of movement they've had on this. Hi, Gabby,

0:30:54.920 --> 0:30:59.040
<v Speaker 1>how you doing. I'm doing well in yourself. Um, well,

0:30:59.120 --> 0:31:01.320
<v Speaker 1>we're just sitting here driving as a couple. Thank you

0:31:01.400 --> 0:31:04.520
<v Speaker 1>for asking what's going on with you? So I just yeah,

0:31:04.560 --> 0:31:07.560
<v Speaker 1>he ran and just read me your submission. So you're

0:31:07.560 --> 0:31:10.040
<v Speaker 1>a lesbian who wants to have a baby while your

0:31:10.040 --> 0:31:12.960
<v Speaker 1>partner wants to have a baby. Right, More so, than

0:31:13.000 --> 0:31:16.480
<v Speaker 1>you do. But there everyone's contemplating now using your eighteen

0:31:16.520 --> 0:31:20.360
<v Speaker 1>year old brother sperm. Is that right? Yeah, that's what's

0:31:20.400 --> 0:31:26.520
<v Speaker 1>going on. Does that creep you out a little bit? Oh? Yeah, First,

0:31:26.560 --> 0:31:29.120
<v Speaker 1>we haven't even like talked to him. I think it's

0:31:29.160 --> 0:31:31.680
<v Speaker 1>way too soon to talk to him. Yeah. Yeah. And

0:31:31.760 --> 0:31:33.760
<v Speaker 1>the fact that he's eighteen, it's like it's almost not

0:31:33.840 --> 0:31:37.080
<v Speaker 1>fair to even ask him it's inappropriate. Yeah. I would

0:31:37.080 --> 0:31:40.360
<v Speaker 1>say it's inappropriate too. And even in a couple of years,

0:31:40.480 --> 0:31:43.920
<v Speaker 1>even if he is twenty one, I still think that's

0:31:44.720 --> 0:31:48.040
<v Speaker 1>way too young to make a decision like that. Yeah.

0:31:48.120 --> 0:31:49.840
<v Speaker 1>I mean, first of all, it's way too young. You're

0:31:49.920 --> 0:31:52.520
<v Speaker 1>not even sold on. Okay, so you've been convinced to

0:31:52.560 --> 0:31:54.360
<v Speaker 1>have a child, and all of a sudden, now your

0:31:54.360 --> 0:31:57.440
<v Speaker 1>whole family is being roped into having the child, like

0:31:57.880 --> 0:32:00.440
<v Speaker 1>using a sperm donor. People do that all the time.

0:32:00.560 --> 0:32:03.560
<v Speaker 1>Lesbian women do it all the time, with or without partners.

0:32:03.640 --> 0:32:06.480
<v Speaker 1>They use sperm donors so that it's not that difficult

0:32:06.520 --> 0:32:10.080
<v Speaker 1>to find something that someone who sperm will measure up

0:32:10.120 --> 0:32:12.640
<v Speaker 1>to what you guys are looking for. Well, I don't

0:32:12.680 --> 0:32:15.400
<v Speaker 1>think I'm being roped into it, Like I do want

0:32:15.440 --> 0:32:18.200
<v Speaker 1>to have a kid. I just wasn't it wasn't necessarily

0:32:18.280 --> 0:32:21.000
<v Speaker 1>something on my mind right now. I think it is

0:32:21.000 --> 0:32:24.719
<v Speaker 1>a little early to be having that conversation. But as

0:32:24.760 --> 0:32:27.680
<v Speaker 1>far as having using a sperm donor, I think I'm

0:32:27.760 --> 0:32:32.160
<v Speaker 1>more comfortable with that idea because it is it just

0:32:32.280 --> 0:32:35.680
<v Speaker 1>makes more sense. It's also your baby, so you get

0:32:35.760 --> 0:32:38.640
<v Speaker 1>to decide if you're going to use your brother's sperm

0:32:38.960 --> 0:32:42.000
<v Speaker 1>or a sperm donors, right, I mean, this is your

0:32:42.040 --> 0:32:44.280
<v Speaker 1>baby with your partner. So it's not like they can,

0:32:44.880 --> 0:32:47.280
<v Speaker 1>you know, just go and steal your brother's sperm unless

0:32:47.280 --> 0:32:51.880
<v Speaker 1>you have a jar of it somewhere. No, No, of course.

0:32:52.320 --> 0:32:55.160
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, it's a conversation that we're having. I just

0:32:55.280 --> 0:32:58.400
<v Speaker 1>think that her concern or the reason she feels that

0:32:58.480 --> 0:33:02.880
<v Speaker 1>way is because she is that to be biologically both

0:33:02.960 --> 0:33:04.960
<v Speaker 1>of ours. You know, she wants to see our traits

0:33:05.000 --> 0:33:07.240
<v Speaker 1>and both of our traits and the kids, and it

0:33:07.360 --> 0:33:10.720
<v Speaker 1>just happens to be as a gay couple. That that's

0:33:10.960 --> 0:33:13.800
<v Speaker 1>that's not a thing. That's not real. Um. But like

0:33:13.880 --> 0:33:16.640
<v Speaker 1>I understand where she's coming from with that. I think

0:33:16.680 --> 0:33:20.760
<v Speaker 1>that's fair. But I also think for me, having a

0:33:21.360 --> 0:33:23.880
<v Speaker 1>kid does not need to be biologically mine. For me

0:33:24.160 --> 0:33:26.520
<v Speaker 1>to love it, like, I don't even necessarily think it

0:33:26.520 --> 0:33:30.000
<v Speaker 1>has to be biologically my partners. For me to love

0:33:30.080 --> 0:33:33.000
<v Speaker 1>the child, I could adopt and I could be content

0:33:33.160 --> 0:33:36.040
<v Speaker 1>with that. And does she feel the same way. No,

0:33:36.520 --> 0:33:38.200
<v Speaker 1>she could not adopt. She said they would have to

0:33:38.240 --> 0:33:41.880
<v Speaker 1>be at least half ours. Yeah, I don't understand that.

0:33:42.120 --> 0:33:45.720
<v Speaker 1>I don't understand what this is. Again, it is just

0:33:45.920 --> 0:33:50.040
<v Speaker 1>such a gift. You are saving a life, you know.

0:33:50.400 --> 0:33:52.560
<v Speaker 1>Why Why are people so against it? And why are

0:33:52.560 --> 0:33:57.280
<v Speaker 1>people so attached to seeing their biological reproduction? Why? Though,

0:33:57.440 --> 0:33:59.680
<v Speaker 1>what is that? I don't know what it is? I mean,

0:34:00.160 --> 0:34:02.920
<v Speaker 1>get surprised by a brand new personality that has nothing

0:34:02.960 --> 0:34:06.080
<v Speaker 1>to do with you. Yeah, live why of course, listen,

0:34:06.120 --> 0:34:08.840
<v Speaker 1>you can love any baby, obviously, that's what adoption is,

0:34:08.960 --> 0:34:11.239
<v Speaker 1>you know. I mean, how could you not love a baby?

0:34:11.280 --> 0:34:13.239
<v Speaker 1>Even I could love a baby. If someone dropped one

0:34:13.280 --> 0:34:14.880
<v Speaker 1>off at my doorstep and I had to take care

0:34:14.920 --> 0:34:17.520
<v Speaker 1>of it, I mean I wouldn't I would hire someone,

0:34:17.840 --> 0:34:20.160
<v Speaker 1>but I would take care of it financially, make sure

0:34:20.239 --> 0:34:22.320
<v Speaker 1>that it was clothed and you've fed, and you know

0:34:22.400 --> 0:34:24.279
<v Speaker 1>I would do the right thing. I would have a baby.

0:34:24.560 --> 0:34:27.200
<v Speaker 1>You would have a baby, Brandon, if somebody, yes, but

0:34:27.920 --> 0:34:30.399
<v Speaker 1>I don't understand the tie that people have to seeing

0:34:30.640 --> 0:34:33.600
<v Speaker 1>by their own biological reproduction. You know, what I think

0:34:33.640 --> 0:34:36.200
<v Speaker 1>it is is that there is an element of wanting

0:34:36.280 --> 0:34:40.920
<v Speaker 1>to correct issues that people had as children, and by

0:34:41.120 --> 0:34:43.800
<v Speaker 1>having their own, they feel like, oh, I can redo

0:34:43.880 --> 0:34:45.960
<v Speaker 1>all of these things that went wrong in my childhood.

0:34:46.000 --> 0:34:47.719
<v Speaker 1>Because now that I'm thinking about it in my own terms,

0:34:47.760 --> 0:34:49.919
<v Speaker 1>that would be why I want one of my own

0:34:50.200 --> 0:34:53.040
<v Speaker 1>that I'm like, no, no, no, We're going to to

0:34:53.160 --> 0:34:56.600
<v Speaker 1>amend all the issues that I went through and give

0:34:56.680 --> 0:34:59.239
<v Speaker 1>you the childhood I wish I had. Right, But I

0:34:59.280 --> 0:35:02.360
<v Speaker 1>see it from both It's because my mom's adopted terrible

0:35:02.560 --> 0:35:05.120
<v Speaker 1>scenario her. She had the best parents who adopted her,

0:35:05.520 --> 0:35:07.320
<v Speaker 1>but she did not She was not happy with the

0:35:07.320 --> 0:35:10.399
<v Speaker 1>adoption process like she did not. She does not feel

0:35:10.440 --> 0:35:13.120
<v Speaker 1>good about that, your mother. But you've already explained that

0:35:13.200 --> 0:35:17.239
<v Speaker 1>your mother doesn't feel good about most things, Gabby. This

0:35:17.360 --> 0:35:19.880
<v Speaker 1>is we cover this earlier, but so for from your

0:35:19.880 --> 0:35:21.759
<v Speaker 1>partner's perspective, a lot of times people do ever reason

0:35:21.840 --> 0:35:24.080
<v Speaker 1>why they they saw something, to watch something, talk to

0:35:24.120 --> 0:35:26.800
<v Speaker 1>someone and they don't want to adopt for that reason,

0:35:27.120 --> 0:35:29.759
<v Speaker 1>or you know, there's a more specific reason why they

0:35:29.840 --> 0:35:32.319
<v Speaker 1>want a biological child of their own. But so many

0:35:32.480 --> 0:35:34.880
<v Speaker 1>gay couples go through this. I mean, I've had this

0:35:34.960 --> 0:35:37.840
<v Speaker 1>conversation with my partner and I actually pulled an article

0:35:38.120 --> 0:35:41.719
<v Speaker 1>up from online of another lesbian couple who did this

0:35:41.840 --> 0:35:45.239
<v Speaker 1>with their brother's sperm, and so the process that they

0:35:45.320 --> 0:35:48.840
<v Speaker 1>went through, she says, for instance, it enabled us to

0:35:48.880 --> 0:35:51.200
<v Speaker 1>have a child that was biologically related to both of us,

0:35:51.360 --> 0:35:53.399
<v Speaker 1>and it was an amazing and unique way to keep

0:35:53.400 --> 0:35:55.480
<v Speaker 1>our donor involved, which is an issue for a lot

0:35:55.520 --> 0:35:58.239
<v Speaker 1>of people, as do we have an open situation? Is it?

0:35:58.680 --> 0:36:01.840
<v Speaker 1>Are you close with your brother? No? Not really. I

0:36:01.880 --> 0:36:03.919
<v Speaker 1>mean I'm not not close with him, but and he's

0:36:04.360 --> 0:36:08.840
<v Speaker 1>eighteen years old. I'm nine. There's a big gap. We

0:36:08.960 --> 0:36:12.719
<v Speaker 1>kind of grew up differently, um, and so I'm not

0:36:12.800 --> 0:36:15.120
<v Speaker 1>that close to them. And I also, like I've read,

0:36:15.400 --> 0:36:17.080
<v Speaker 1>I bought a bunch of books. I've read a little

0:36:17.120 --> 0:36:20.440
<v Speaker 1>bit say skim over, you know, using a relative spirm.

0:36:20.760 --> 0:36:24.480
<v Speaker 1>I wonder why, because it's weird. Yeah, And it's just

0:36:24.640 --> 0:36:27.600
<v Speaker 1>like I don't think I would ever want the donor involved,

0:36:28.160 --> 0:36:30.880
<v Speaker 1>Like I wouldn't see them as a parents, like after that,

0:36:30.960 --> 0:36:32.840
<v Speaker 1>when the kid's eighteen years old, if they want to

0:36:32.840 --> 0:36:36.239
<v Speaker 1>connect with the donor, Okay, that's your decision, but I

0:36:36.280 --> 0:36:38.880
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't want to like use a friends firm and so

0:36:39.040 --> 0:36:42.040
<v Speaker 1>like to be like at Thanksgiving dinner and it's like, oh, yeah,

0:36:42.080 --> 0:36:45.879
<v Speaker 1>there's your uncle Dad, Like yeah, yeah, Well it sounds like, okay,

0:36:45.920 --> 0:36:48.400
<v Speaker 1>So your partner is the one that wants a biological

0:36:48.520 --> 0:36:51.239
<v Speaker 1>child of her own, so she can accomplish that with

0:36:51.360 --> 0:36:54.040
<v Speaker 1>a sperm donor, And it seems like you're pretty cool

0:36:54.120 --> 0:36:57.000
<v Speaker 1>without having a biological child of your own. So it

0:36:57.080 --> 0:36:59.320
<v Speaker 1>seems like the right thing. Just get a sperm donor,

0:36:59.360 --> 0:37:00.960
<v Speaker 1>and you're just gonna agree to love the baby that

0:37:01.000 --> 0:37:04.640
<v Speaker 1>has no biological relationship to you. Well her qualms with that,

0:37:05.400 --> 0:37:07.960
<v Speaker 1>And I'm starting to agree a little bit. I've been

0:37:08.040 --> 0:37:12.839
<v Speaker 1>reading on like sperm donors is um that you don't

0:37:12.880 --> 0:37:14.840
<v Speaker 1>really know what you're getting a lot of these guys

0:37:15.000 --> 0:37:17.759
<v Speaker 1>donate when they're young and they need cash, and so

0:37:17.880 --> 0:37:20.040
<v Speaker 1>it's not like, you know, I'm doing this necessarily out

0:37:20.080 --> 0:37:21.560
<v Speaker 1>of the goodness of my heart. I'm doing it for

0:37:21.640 --> 0:37:24.719
<v Speaker 1>fifty bucks because I'm broke. And so even if you

0:37:24.800 --> 0:37:27.080
<v Speaker 1>have a medical history, like you have a medical history

0:37:27.120 --> 0:37:28.920
<v Speaker 1>of a kid up to the age of twenty, and

0:37:29.000 --> 0:37:31.920
<v Speaker 1>he's not necessarily going to contact the sperm bank and say, oh,

0:37:32.080 --> 0:37:34.160
<v Speaker 1>by the way, I found out like I have this

0:37:34.440 --> 0:37:38.840
<v Speaker 1>medical issue or this medical issue. And then also you

0:37:38.960 --> 0:37:42.560
<v Speaker 1>have these sperm donors who wind up helping a lot

0:37:42.640 --> 0:37:45.360
<v Speaker 1>of couples have kids. So then if your kid is

0:37:45.440 --> 0:37:47.400
<v Speaker 1>eighteen years old and they want to connect with the

0:37:47.719 --> 0:37:50.759
<v Speaker 1>donor dad, then they find out that they have, you know,

0:37:51.600 --> 0:37:54.759
<v Speaker 1>a hundred five hundred half siblings, especially now when you're

0:37:54.800 --> 0:37:58.360
<v Speaker 1>doing those like little DNA tests you send in that

0:37:58.520 --> 0:38:00.920
<v Speaker 1>she found out she has a son of another. Like

0:38:01.280 --> 0:38:04.160
<v Speaker 1>this guy donated all the sperm and was really popular

0:38:04.239 --> 0:38:07.000
<v Speaker 1>because he was tall, handsome, and very bright. So all

0:38:07.080 --> 0:38:09.000
<v Speaker 1>these women picked his sperm and they all have his

0:38:09.120 --> 0:38:11.520
<v Speaker 1>babies and they're all starting to connect with each other.

0:38:11.880 --> 0:38:15.799
<v Speaker 1>Talk about fucking futuristic and weird? Does that I need?

0:38:15.840 --> 0:38:17.400
<v Speaker 1>And will that creep out a kid? Like, I mean,

0:38:17.480 --> 0:38:19.120
<v Speaker 1>I get all kids are going to have some sort

0:38:19.120 --> 0:38:23.040
<v Speaker 1>of trauma, Like that's just unavoidable, but it's why, I mean,

0:38:23.160 --> 0:38:25.000
<v Speaker 1>why why not get the trauma? I think you have

0:38:25.080 --> 0:38:26.719
<v Speaker 1>to lean into the fact that he's going to grow

0:38:26.840 --> 0:38:30.200
<v Speaker 1>up in a diverse household anyway, Yeah, and why not

0:38:30.280 --> 0:38:32.000
<v Speaker 1>get the trauma out of the way right away, Like

0:38:32.160 --> 0:38:33.480
<v Speaker 1>this is what you can be mad at for the

0:38:33.520 --> 0:38:36.200
<v Speaker 1>rest of your life. Okay, you have to find anything

0:38:36.320 --> 0:38:38.520
<v Speaker 1>normal as long as you frame it that way to them, like, hey,

0:38:38.680 --> 0:38:42.879
<v Speaker 1>sometimes moms need help. They get help from Tom Dicker

0:38:42.960 --> 0:38:44.920
<v Speaker 1>Harry down at the Spurm Bank. Like it's all how

0:38:45.040 --> 0:38:48.200
<v Speaker 1>you present it to kids. So if you presented as

0:38:48.280 --> 0:38:51.320
<v Speaker 1>this is the option that this man helped this many people,

0:38:52.080 --> 0:38:54.040
<v Speaker 1>he's gonna have a much different response to that than

0:38:54.160 --> 0:38:56.160
<v Speaker 1>like this is what you've missed out on to a

0:38:56.239 --> 0:38:58.480
<v Speaker 1>certain degree, Like oh, you have all these siblings. No, no, No,

0:38:58.560 --> 0:38:59.759
<v Speaker 1>that's not how you frame it, Like look at how

0:38:59.800 --> 0:39:03.040
<v Speaker 1>many kids this man was able to provide these families

0:39:03.040 --> 0:39:06.440
<v Speaker 1>who really wanted one. Yeah, And I've read what I

0:39:06.520 --> 0:39:11.200
<v Speaker 1>read says that kids of gay couples do seem more

0:39:11.680 --> 0:39:16.400
<v Speaker 1>receptive and understanding of the sperm donor process versus straight

0:39:16.480 --> 0:39:19.480
<v Speaker 1>couples who had fertility issues and then had to go

0:39:19.560 --> 0:39:23.279
<v Speaker 1>with the donor just because children of gay couples are

0:39:23.320 --> 0:39:27.480
<v Speaker 1>cooler as soon as understand how children are made. Realized

0:39:27.560 --> 0:39:30.520
<v Speaker 1>that you know this, Yeah, I think I also think

0:39:30.600 --> 0:39:32.399
<v Speaker 1>fighting like one, people who want to get in touch

0:39:32.480 --> 0:39:35.160
<v Speaker 1>with their sperm donor. I mean that is a real stretch.

0:39:35.360 --> 0:39:37.440
<v Speaker 1>It's like, that is somebody who got paid for their sperm,

0:39:37.600 --> 0:39:39.120
<v Speaker 1>like and you want to contact them and get to

0:39:39.160 --> 0:39:42.120
<v Speaker 1>know them better. It's like, that's really then that's people

0:39:42.120 --> 0:39:44.040
<v Speaker 1>who did a bad job of parenting if your kid

0:39:44.160 --> 0:39:46.640
<v Speaker 1>is that desperate to meet his sperm donor. But I

0:39:46.680 --> 0:39:48.920
<v Speaker 1>would agree with you that gaik. I mean children of

0:39:48.960 --> 0:39:50.640
<v Speaker 1>gay couples do see him a little bit cooler and

0:39:50.680 --> 0:39:53.600
<v Speaker 1>a little bit more progressive and with it. So, but

0:39:53.719 --> 0:39:56.000
<v Speaker 1>I still would stick to the original plan, which is

0:39:56.280 --> 0:39:59.080
<v Speaker 1>you get a sperm donor, and in this day and age,

0:39:59.239 --> 0:40:03.919
<v Speaker 1>you can get background information about sperm donors that is available. Okay,

0:40:03.960 --> 0:40:05.279
<v Speaker 1>I have one, I have a question. I have a

0:40:05.320 --> 0:40:07.520
<v Speaker 1>follow up or I would say suggestion. Maybe they should

0:40:07.560 --> 0:40:10.800
<v Speaker 1>use your sperm you would have before. I'll tell you

0:40:10.800 --> 0:40:14.719
<v Speaker 1>about that. Yeah, So, Gaby, what about having your egg

0:40:15.000 --> 0:40:18.200
<v Speaker 1>and her egg, her being the carrier inserted with the

0:40:18.200 --> 0:40:20.560
<v Speaker 1>sperm from the same donors. That way the kids look

0:40:20.600 --> 0:40:24.240
<v Speaker 1>alike and also looked like both of you to some degree.

0:40:24.400 --> 0:40:26.919
<v Speaker 1>So now she has to have twins, well you would.

0:40:27.160 --> 0:40:30.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm just I'm offering options. But if you use both

0:40:30.120 --> 0:40:32.160
<v Speaker 1>eggs and you just didn't tell each you just didn't

0:40:32.200 --> 0:40:36.200
<v Speaker 1>know which one which egg actually ended up being waste. No,

0:40:36.320 --> 0:40:37.720
<v Speaker 1>but I think you can only do that with sperm,

0:40:37.840 --> 0:40:40.279
<v Speaker 1>not not eggs. You have to use one egg, right

0:40:40.560 --> 0:40:42.920
<v Speaker 1>or no? No, you put in a bunch of eggs

0:40:43.560 --> 0:40:46.560
<v Speaker 1>and a bunch of sperm and then whatever fertilizes. So

0:40:46.760 --> 0:40:51.919
<v Speaker 1>you could I D S or I C or I UI.

0:40:52.560 --> 0:40:55.080
<v Speaker 1>You could do that, And that's something she's brought up.

0:40:55.160 --> 0:40:56.920
<v Speaker 1>She thinks she'd said, like, you know, if we go

0:40:57.080 --> 0:40:59.640
<v Speaker 1>the sperm down or route, then you know, use her

0:40:59.760 --> 0:41:01.920
<v Speaker 1>a E and the sperm and have a kid, and

0:41:01.960 --> 0:41:04.200
<v Speaker 1>then if we have a second kid, use my egg

0:41:04.360 --> 0:41:06.680
<v Speaker 1>and the same sperm. That way you can kind of

0:41:06.760 --> 0:41:11.360
<v Speaker 1>differentiate what are the characteristic you know, like our characteristics

0:41:11.400 --> 0:41:14.280
<v Speaker 1>and the children, and what are the sperm donor's characteristics

0:41:14.480 --> 0:41:17.760
<v Speaker 1>being that you used the same sperm for each child.

0:41:18.560 --> 0:41:23.120
<v Speaker 1>So it's just so multifaceted with and I'm a lot

0:41:23.200 --> 0:41:27.359
<v Speaker 1>more comfortable with that. Yeah, you you are with that idea? Yeah, okay,

0:41:27.960 --> 0:41:30.400
<v Speaker 1>well then that's yeah, yeah, then do that. I think

0:41:30.440 --> 0:41:32.279
<v Speaker 1>you have the answer that you came in with, which

0:41:32.360 --> 0:41:34.880
<v Speaker 1>is get a sperm donor and do that what you

0:41:35.000 --> 0:41:39.160
<v Speaker 1>just described is sounds perfect. Okay, okay, thank you. Do

0:41:39.239 --> 0:41:42.480
<v Speaker 1>you feel confident about your decision now? Well? Yeah, yeah,

0:41:42.480 --> 0:41:45.840
<v Speaker 1>I mean I've always felt pretty confident with my decision.

0:41:46.000 --> 0:41:50.200
<v Speaker 1>It's just the fact that it's not solely my decision. Yeah,

0:41:50.360 --> 0:41:52.640
<v Speaker 1>but you're doing I mean, I think you're contributing pretty

0:41:52.719 --> 0:41:56.240
<v Speaker 1>much all that you're able to contribute, right right without

0:41:56.320 --> 0:41:59.160
<v Speaker 1>your brother. Leave your brother out of it. Yeah. No,

0:41:59.360 --> 0:42:01.960
<v Speaker 1>the only reason and I even considered that, which I

0:42:02.040 --> 0:42:06.600
<v Speaker 1>didn't consider it very highly, just because I think it

0:42:06.719 --> 0:42:09.560
<v Speaker 1>was important to her, um, you know, to my girlfriend

0:42:09.600 --> 0:42:12.120
<v Speaker 1>to have both of our characteristics and obviously, like I

0:42:12.160 --> 0:42:15.640
<v Speaker 1>want her to be happy. And also, you know, there's

0:42:15.640 --> 0:42:19.080
<v Speaker 1>a cost associated with like sperm donation. So if you

0:42:19.160 --> 0:42:22.160
<v Speaker 1>do it like at home, like at home insemination, they

0:42:22.239 --> 0:42:25.440
<v Speaker 1>say to do like two vials every month, and like

0:42:25.600 --> 0:42:29.920
<v Speaker 1>frozen sperm for like healthy woman in our early thirties,

0:42:30.120 --> 0:42:33.360
<v Speaker 1>no fertility issues. There's like a ten percent chance of conception,

0:42:34.000 --> 0:42:36.120
<v Speaker 1>and they suggestions in two vials, so it's like two

0:42:36.200 --> 0:42:40.399
<v Speaker 1>grand a month, so like ten chance. Let's say after

0:42:40.480 --> 0:42:43.520
<v Speaker 1>like six seven months you finally get pregnant, you're talking

0:42:43.600 --> 0:42:47.160
<v Speaker 1>like fourteen grand and sperm and like, I don't know,

0:42:47.360 --> 0:42:49.279
<v Speaker 1>that's just a it's a lot of money, and it's

0:42:49.320 --> 0:42:52.720
<v Speaker 1>a lot of money. For the idea that sperm isn't

0:42:52.840 --> 0:42:58.439
<v Speaker 1>free is absurd. It is. That's one of the things

0:42:58.520 --> 0:43:01.839
<v Speaker 1>where I was leaning towards, you know, my brother. I'm like, yeah,

0:43:01.880 --> 0:43:05.359
<v Speaker 1>I'll make her happy and also me from a cost perspective,

0:43:06.680 --> 0:43:11.200
<v Speaker 1>rationally economic decision really with no regard for your brother's

0:43:11.280 --> 0:43:15.359
<v Speaker 1>feelings at all in the situation. Can keep us posted

0:43:17.080 --> 0:43:19.439
<v Speaker 1>If you find sperm downers, I would love to review

0:43:19.520 --> 0:43:22.279
<v Speaker 1>those with you to see what's going on and help

0:43:22.440 --> 0:43:24.800
<v Speaker 1>help give you some direction that way. Yeah, and for

0:43:25.040 --> 0:43:28.359
<v Speaker 1>next Mother's Day, I'm going to start donating sperm. Mine.

0:43:29.320 --> 0:43:32.880
<v Speaker 1>You're gonna pick me out. Thank you, Gabby. Thank you, Gabby.

0:43:32.960 --> 0:43:37.319
<v Speaker 1>Have a great Mother's Day when you're a mother you Yeah.

0:43:37.440 --> 0:43:40.880
<v Speaker 1>So I had a professor of mine after I graduated.

0:43:40.920 --> 0:43:43.160
<v Speaker 1>I'd probably been graduated from college for two or three years,

0:43:43.960 --> 0:43:46.800
<v Speaker 1>and she reached out asking you if she was with

0:43:47.280 --> 0:43:49.040
<v Speaker 1>a girlfriend. I think they have been long term at

0:43:49.080 --> 0:43:51.400
<v Speaker 1>the time. And she reached out and she said, Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>this is gonna be a really strange question, but would

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<v Speaker 1>you ever consider being our sperm downer? And I was

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<v Speaker 1>about to start for you had so much going on,

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<v Speaker 1>and we had talked about I can't have a baby.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, I'm not prepared for this. I'm about

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<v Speaker 1>to start on my new life. Adventure was sweetheart, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not ready to be a dad, even a distant ad um.

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<v Speaker 1>But the conversation never ended up really going anywhere. I

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<v Speaker 1>think they've broken up so well. I tried to donate

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<v Speaker 1>my eggs when I was broke and I was in

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<v Speaker 1>my twenties and I was waitressing, and I went in

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<v Speaker 1>and donated my eggs. I filled out a questionnaire, did

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<v Speaker 1>an hour interview, and they rejected me and said that

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<v Speaker 1>I should seek a psychiatric evaluation. And did you No,

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<v Speaker 1>I just just I was so excited to make like

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<v Speaker 1>thet so I was crestfallen when I didn't when I

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<v Speaker 1>found out that I was psychotic. We'll schedule it for

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<v Speaker 1>this week. Yeah, maybe I could donate my eggs now.

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<v Speaker 1>I have a girlfriend who donates eggs regularly, and you

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<v Speaker 1>get more and more as you do it. You get

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<v Speaker 1>more and more eggs, you get more money. So it

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<v Speaker 1>seems like a pyramid scheme to me. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>how it works, but an egg an egg pyramid scheme.

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<v Speaker 1>It sounds like something I want to stay away from.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't blame you. Okay, Well that was part two

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<v Speaker 1>of our debut episode. We did it, sweetheart. We launched

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<v Speaker 1>a podcast. We did it. We have a podcast. Dear Chelsea.

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<v Speaker 1>I look forward to this little new home of ours

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<v Speaker 1>and I will see and here, well you'll hear me

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<v Speaker 1>and I will see you. Do you get the gist.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll be back every week on Thursdays, all right. For

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<v Speaker 1>anyone who does want to write in, they can do

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<v Speaker 1>that at Dear Chelsea Project d E A R C

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<v Speaker 1>h E L S e A P R O j

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<v Speaker 1>E C T at gmail dot com. Dear Chelsea Project

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<v Speaker 1>at gmail dot com. That's wonderful, Okay, thanks for listening.

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<v Speaker 1>Happy Mother's Day, everybody, Happy Mother's Day. Happy Mother's Day. Brandon,

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<v Speaker 1>Not anytime soon, sweetheart,