WEBVTT - Rerun: Firestarter

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Tech Stuff, a production from I Heart Radio.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey there, and welcome to tech Stuff. I'm your host,

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<v Speaker 1>Jonathan Strickland of an executive producer with iHeart Radio and

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of all things tech. And because we are

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<v Speaker 1>taking today off as a holiday, I thought that I

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<v Speaker 1>would rerun an episode to give myself and more importantly,

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<v Speaker 1>my super producer TORII a little bit of a holiday break.

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<v Speaker 1>So what you are about to hear is an episode

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<v Speaker 1>that we actually published February of last year. Uh. This

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<v Speaker 1>is an episode called Firestarter. It's about the development of

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<v Speaker 1>matches primarily, and um, I thought it was appropriate because

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<v Speaker 1>we just had the fourth of July weekend, so that

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<v Speaker 1>typically involves lots of stuff like fireworks and grilling and

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<v Speaker 1>things like that, stuff where matches might come in handy.

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<v Speaker 1>So here's an episode about the development of matches. And

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<v Speaker 1>also I gotta I gotta warn you. Uh. This episode

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<v Speaker 1>has a special guest, um Alimona, who is a matchmaker

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<v Speaker 1>at the Georgia Renaissance Festival, who also helps with the episode.

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<v Speaker 1>It is a little silly and if you if you

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<v Speaker 1>cringe easily at silly humor, just quick warning up front,

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<v Speaker 1>that's gonna happen in this episode, but you will learn

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<v Speaker 1>about the evolution of matches, which is pretty fascinating stuff

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<v Speaker 1>filled with lots of dangerous chemistry. So I hope you

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<v Speaker 1>enjoy and I hope you had a happy and safe

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<v Speaker 1>Fourth of July weekend. Today we're going to talk about fire.

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<v Speaker 1>It's somebody safe fire, no god, no. Um, ladies and gentlemen,

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<v Speaker 1>I've been blessed with a special guest today. Would you

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<v Speaker 1>please introduce herself to all these nice people. Well, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>almona middler, and I'm a matchmaker that I didn't quite

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<v Speaker 1>understand what matchmaking entailed, so I'm quite good at starting fires. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>so um, for those who do not know, I have

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<v Speaker 1>a sordid history with the Georgia Renaissance Festival, and it

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<v Speaker 1>was there, I believe where my path first crossed with

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<v Speaker 1>that of alamonas uh the village matchmaker. And um, I

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<v Speaker 1>guess it's only fitting that for this episode I have

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<v Speaker 1>a pyro enthusiast join us for the show. So, Alimona,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you for being here. Hey, thank you for having me.

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<v Speaker 1>You look quite familiar. I can't quite put my matchtick

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<v Speaker 1>on it, but yeah, you see a lot of faces

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<v Speaker 1>at the festive. Well, I'm I'm sure there are a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of I have one of those faces too, like

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<v Speaker 1>you know, one of the ones that lots of people have. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>because we let's get your Jonathan Strickland mask at the

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<v Speaker 1>tech stuff store today. No, they're not really, They're okay,

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<v Speaker 1>But we're gonna talk about stuff like matches, which I

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<v Speaker 1>understand you consider yourself somewhat of an expert on which

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<v Speaker 1>I find perplexing. I am an expert on matches. It's

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<v Speaker 1>it's a little wooden stick thing and then and then

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<v Speaker 1>you you you you strike the end of it and

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<v Speaker 1>and it in it, and then it goes boom, and

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<v Speaker 1>then the pretty orange stuff comes out and it's very hot.

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<v Speaker 1>It's odd to me that you would be so familiar

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<v Speaker 1>with them, because the matches as you describe them, weren't

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<v Speaker 1>available until the early nineteenth century, and if my math

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<v Speaker 1>is correct, the renaissances before times of the nineteenth century,

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<v Speaker 1>my whole life has been a lie. Fair enough, all right, Well, Alimona,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm glad you could be here because I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>explain to you the history of matches, and if you

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<v Speaker 1>have things you want to say or questions, you want

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<v Speaker 1>to ask, then we can, you know, really focus on that.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's sometimes where I'm going to ask you a

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<v Speaker 1>question just to see what you know about things, And

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<v Speaker 1>when we find out the depth of your ignorance, I

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<v Speaker 1>will then illuminate by explaining exactly what the reality of

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<v Speaker 1>the situation is. I really like the word illuminate, but

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<v Speaker 1>I don't quite like the word ignorance. I think the

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<v Speaker 1>man explaining part of the episode is just the guns.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're gonna begin, as I said, with the history

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<v Speaker 1>of matches. You know, you might think of it as

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<v Speaker 1>the predecessor to the lighter. Uh, that's a lighter, lighter

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<v Speaker 1>than what? Okay, right, what's a heavier? Is there a heavier? No? Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>this is this is how this is gonna go us

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<v Speaker 1>A lighter thing that produces flame over and over and

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<v Speaker 1>over again, and yeah, you would love them. And inesting

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<v Speaker 1>thing is that the modern match and the modern lighter

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<v Speaker 1>actually were developed around the same time. They were co developed,

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<v Speaker 1>and around the same time. We would normally think the

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<v Speaker 1>matches must have come much earlier, but modern matches rely

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<v Speaker 1>very heavily on something you and I completely lack chemistry.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're gonna talk about that. But we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>start with matches. And really, when we talk about matches,

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<v Speaker 1>you gotta look all the way back to China. The country,

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<v Speaker 1>not the type of dishes. I can see your mind

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<v Speaker 1>working right in front of me, Alumona, I got left

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<v Speaker 1>the way China sounds when you break it. Yeah, So

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<v Speaker 1>the country of China, Uh, they began to experiment using

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<v Speaker 1>sticks dipped in sulfur. And this was not the type

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<v Speaker 1>of match that you would strike against a surface and

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<v Speaker 1>have it ignite. Instead, it was a way of lighting

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<v Speaker 1>something and having it burn at a controlled rate so

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<v Speaker 1>that you could transfer the fire from one place to another.

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<v Speaker 1>For example, from say a roaring fire to a candle.

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<v Speaker 1>You would want to be able to move that fire around.

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<v Speaker 1>And as we all know, moving fire just with your

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<v Speaker 1>hands is a bad idea because it's because it's hot.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's very fun. Okay, all right, We're also going

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<v Speaker 1>to stress to our listeners playing with fire is a

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<v Speaker 1>dangerous thing once you get past the tingling sensation. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>all right now, Alamona, really let's let's refocus here. So

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<v Speaker 1>those matches don't really fit our modern description of the word,

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<v Speaker 1>and they would not really play into the type of

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<v Speaker 1>strike matches that we think of when we hear the

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<v Speaker 1>word match. So instead you have to go all the

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<v Speaker 1>way up to the seventeen century, So a bit late

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<v Speaker 1>in the day for you, Alimona, I'd be an old

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<v Speaker 1>woman diving. I might be as old as years old.

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<v Speaker 1>That's interesting. Yeah, I guess you would definitely adhere to

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<v Speaker 1>the philosophy that's better to burn out than to fade away.

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<v Speaker 1>Good one, thank you. So in the in the in

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<v Speaker 1>the seventeenth century, there was this, uh, this German alchemist,

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<v Speaker 1>hennig Brandt, thank you. So he was attempting to do

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<v Speaker 1>what many alchemists were trying to do. Oh I knowed

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<v Speaker 1>alchemist is that's like a scientist, not really uh, predecessor

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<v Speaker 1>to science. I would argue closer, I would argue closer

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<v Speaker 1>to Professor Snape than a scientist. Yes, alchemy is all

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<v Speaker 1>about the attempt to figure out ways to turn base

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<v Speaker 1>metals or base materials into gold, which to this day

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<v Speaker 1>perplexes me because Alamono, just just follow along with me here,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, I'm going to explain to you the concept

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<v Speaker 1>of supply and demand as well as that of value,

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<v Speaker 1>right something. Oh boy, I'm glad I didn't say that.

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<v Speaker 1>So gold people ascribe great value to gold. Right, Gold

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<v Speaker 1>is valuable. It lets you buy stuff. If you amass

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of gold, you have wealth. Correct concept foreign

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<v Speaker 1>to me, but yes, yes, so you understand the idea

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<v Speaker 1>of wealth, even though you may never have possessed it yourself. Right, So,

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<v Speaker 1>alchemists wanted to find a way to turn other types

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<v Speaker 1>of stuff into gold. But if you could do that,

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<v Speaker 1>if you could turn say lead into gold, then you

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<v Speaker 1>would suddenly have a surplus of gold. And one of

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<v Speaker 1>the things, in fact, the chief thing that makes gold

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<v Speaker 1>valuable is its scarcity. So if you've taken some thing

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<v Speaker 1>that was valuable because it was scarce, and you made

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<v Speaker 1>a whole bunch more of it, what do you think happens?

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<v Speaker 1>Lots and lots of money? Is that right? Okay? All right,

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<v Speaker 1>so you're you're you're about a step behind me. No,

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<v Speaker 1>if you have too much of it, if you have

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of of this gold that was valuable because

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<v Speaker 1>of its scarcity, is no longer scarce, It is no

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<v Speaker 1>longer valuable. Yes, it means that you would have way

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<v Speaker 1>too much of it. And yeah, up until the point

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<v Speaker 1>where you had an abundance of gold on the market,

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<v Speaker 1>in which case the value would plummet. So I never

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<v Speaker 1>understood alchemy from that perspective. But um, let's get dig

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<v Speaker 1>a little deeper, because boy, it gets way more weird

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<v Speaker 1>than that. So one of the important advancements that made

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<v Speaker 1>matches possible was the discovery of phosphorus. So phosphoruss it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's a naturally occurring element, but usually we wouldn't. It's

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<v Speaker 1>usually bound up in other things. The less said about that,

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<v Speaker 1>the better with you here, Alamona. But it's bound up

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<v Speaker 1>with other things, and then if we can refine it,

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<v Speaker 1>then we can use it as a component in things

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<v Speaker 1>like matches. So hinnig Brand discovered how to isolate phosphorus.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not what he was trying to do, but it

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<v Speaker 1>is what he effectively ended up doing. Ah, he isolated

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<v Speaker 1>phosphorus from urine. Yeah, yeah, I thought I would blind

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<v Speaker 1>inside you. We're going to talk about pa science. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's right, you get it all out there, Almona. So

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<v Speaker 1>what are you saying that when when I use the privy,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sitting on a gold mine, or rather a phosphorus mind. Hinnig, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>you're certainly sitting on a phosphorus mine, hinnig Brand, but

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<v Speaker 1>perhaps it was a gold mine. Here was his line

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<v Speaker 1>of color. Yeah, exactly, that's exactly what Brand was thinking. No,

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<v Speaker 1>you're you're on the right track. He was sitting there thinking,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, he's kind of yellow. Gold's yellow. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>P is yellow because there's gold in them, the RP.

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<v Speaker 1>So he thought, how do I get the P away

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<v Speaker 1>and keep the gold? Alchemists was so smart back then,

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<v Speaker 1>I thought you'd think so. So here's what he did.

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<v Speaker 1>Stop me if you heard this before he goes and

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<v Speaker 1>he collects a lot of P, go ahead and ask

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<v Speaker 1>me how much is a lot of P? How much

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<v Speaker 1>is a lot of gallons of the stuff? How many

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<v Speaker 1>friends did he have? It was just a Super Bowl weekend?

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<v Speaker 1>How many how many close friends did he have? More

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<v Speaker 1>fewer by the end of it than he did at

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<v Speaker 1>the beginning of it. I'm sure it's that I realize

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<v Speaker 1>how few friends I have. I don't know who I

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<v Speaker 1>could just walk up to and say, like, hey, would

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<v Speaker 1>you mind Yeah this gallon jug and yes, it is

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<v Speaker 1>exactly the way I need you to to do it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's that's the what you're thinking, that's what I need.

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<v Speaker 1>So he takes all this p and then of course

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<v Speaker 1>he puts it into a giant fat because I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>what else are you gonna do with it? And then

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<v Speaker 1>he boiled it. He boiled the P. I know you're thinking,

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<v Speaker 1>I've smelled the privs on a hot day at the

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<v Speaker 1>Georgia Renaissance Festival. That's what you're thinking, isn't it allen? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's a that's a smell that will linger in

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<v Speaker 1>your thoughts forever. Trust me. The first year I did

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<v Speaker 1>it was still haven't forgotten. So soups gross. He boils it,

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<v Speaker 1>which ends up evaporating a lot of the water out

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<v Speaker 1>of the content of the urine, and what was left

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<v Speaker 1>behind was described as a surap substance. No do not.

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<v Speaker 1>And then as the stuff was heating up, it started

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<v Speaker 1>to glow red hot. As it cooled, it turned black

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<v Speaker 1>and became hard. If your urine turns red and the black,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe you should go see it something. Maybe. So he

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<v Speaker 1>then takes some of the hardened black stuff and he

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<v Speaker 1>mix mixes it with some of the red hot glowing

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<v Speaker 1>stuff and ends up noticing that it caught fire. It

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<v Speaker 1>just combusts, It bursts into flame, and he didn't realize

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<v Speaker 1>that what he had discovered was phosphorus. He actually thought, originally,

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<v Speaker 1>and others did too, that he had come across the

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<v Speaker 1>fabled Philosopher's stone. Um, not that kind of stone and urine.

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<v Speaker 1>And eventually he referred to the stuff as cold fire

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<v Speaker 1>because he knows that this phosphorus would glow in the dark.

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<v Speaker 1>It wouldn't give off heat, but would glow in the dark. Weird.

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<v Speaker 1>So if one were to refine this phosphorus further, you

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<v Speaker 1>would eventually get to what's called white phosphorus. Sometimes it's

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<v Speaker 1>called yellow phosphorus because it's not really white white. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>This stuff is very dangerous because it ignites upon exposure

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<v Speaker 1>to air. That sounds fun. Yeah, it's very much like you,

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<v Speaker 1>So it wouldn't be for long it uh. So it

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<v Speaker 1>ignites as soon as it encounters oxygen. What's happening is

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<v Speaker 1>that the phosphorus molecules. Just think of pretty thoughts, Alimona.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll be back with you in a second. Uh, quietly

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<v Speaker 1>think of pretty thoughts. Phosphorus molecules have very weak molecular bonds, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>and oxygen when it encounters phosphorus breaks those molecular bonds,

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<v Speaker 1>and then the phosphorus bonds with the oxygen in an

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<v Speaker 1>exothermic reaction, which means it's a reaction that gives off

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of heat, and because it gives off a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of heat very quickly, uh, it ignites, and so

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<v Speaker 1>you have the spontaneously combustible material, uh, white phosphorus. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>So that would become important for matches. But we don't

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<v Speaker 1>get two matches just yet. We're still talking about the

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<v Speaker 1>basic components that allow matches to become a thing. We will, however,

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<v Speaker 1>talk about matches in just a moment. But before we

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<v Speaker 1>do that, Almona, we're gonna take a quick break to

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<v Speaker 1>thank our sponsors. Please don't set them on fire, not

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<v Speaker 1>even a little bit. Okay, we're just gonna take a break. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>we're back. The studio remarkably is still standing and not

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<v Speaker 1>currently on fire. Alimona, you're still here. I know. It's

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<v Speaker 1>thank goodness we have all those blankets. Uh. So we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna move on. We just finished talking about pa science,

0:15:52.280 --> 0:15:56.760
<v Speaker 1>which you were yah, I could tell. So we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>move on, and now we're going to talk about a

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<v Speaker 1>person named Jean Chancel. Oh he sounds pretty it's the

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<v Speaker 1>fancy dude, Jean Chancel found a way to create a

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<v Speaker 1>match using a chemical reaction. And this is probably the

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<v Speaker 1>most hardcore metal way of lighting a match I have

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<v Speaker 1>ever heard about. So, okay, not that kind of all right,

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<v Speaker 1>you no, like like rock and roll metal. So he

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<v Speaker 1>took a splint piece of wood and he coded it

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<v Speaker 1>in a substance called potassium chlorate, and he also put

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<v Speaker 1>in the same on the same mixture some sugar and

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<v Speaker 1>some sticky gum. And the gum was to bind everything together.

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<v Speaker 1>It was to hold the sugar and the potassium chlorate

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<v Speaker 1>together on the end of the stick. And then he

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<v Speaker 1>dipped the end of this stick into a jar of

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<v Speaker 1>sulfuric acid, and that caused the stick to ignite, which is,

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<v Speaker 1>like I said, super hardcore when you're using sulfuric acid

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<v Speaker 1>to light your matches. So here's what's going on. I

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<v Speaker 1>want to explain to you the actual chemical process, the

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<v Speaker 1>reaction that's happening, so that we understand how this technology works. So,

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<v Speaker 1>potassium chlorate is an effective oxidizing agent. Now, Alumona, I

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<v Speaker 1>know you know this from personal experience, hands on experience,

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<v Speaker 1>but fire needs three things to be fire, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>not magic. It's it's not love either. You want to

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<v Speaker 1>give one more more, more shot, you can get maybe

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<v Speaker 1>one of the three a spring day at the Georgia

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<v Speaker 1>Renaissance Fest. Okay, none of those three things are necessary. No,

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<v Speaker 1>it needs fuel, it needs heat, and it needs an oxidizer.

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<v Speaker 1>Typically the oxidizer for most fires that we encounter is

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<v Speaker 1>the air oxygen oxygen as an oxidizer. Those three things

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<v Speaker 1>are necessary. If you're missing any one of those three things,

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<v Speaker 1>you cannot make fire. And if you have a fire,

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<v Speaker 1>the fire will extinguish. So if you run out fuel,

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<v Speaker 1>the fire goes out right. If you no longer have

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<v Speaker 1>an oxidizer, the fire cannot burn anymore. If if the

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<v Speaker 1>heat is removed from the fire, it will not continuously burn.

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<v Speaker 1>It will the the the chemical reaction that is fire

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<v Speaker 1>will stop. So potassium chlorate is an effective oxidizing agent.

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<v Speaker 1>The sugar is fuel. Uh. In fact, we all know

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<v Speaker 1>sugar is fuel because if you ever had a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of sugar like I suspect Alamona has had, you will

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<v Speaker 1>be very energetic for at least a short while. And

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<v Speaker 1>then potassium chlorate when it decomposes under heat, it releases

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<v Speaker 1>molecular oxygen so thus you get the oxidizing effect there.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, so you've got everything you need mixed up there.

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<v Speaker 1>You've got the fuel and the oxidizer. There, you need

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<v Speaker 1>to have the heat to start the reaction. Here's where

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<v Speaker 1>the sulfuric acid comes in. When you dip this mixture

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<v Speaker 1>of sugar and UH and potassium chlorate together in the

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<v Speaker 1>sulfuric acid, the acid actually acts as sort of a catalyst.

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<v Speaker 1>It creates this exothermic chemical reaction. Again, exothermic means it's

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<v Speaker 1>giving awful lot of heat. So now you've got the

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<v Speaker 1>third part of that triangle. Right. You've got the fuel,

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<v Speaker 1>you have the oxidizer, you have the heat. The match

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<v Speaker 1>catches on fire. But the only way it works, the

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<v Speaker 1>only way it works is if you have a jar

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<v Speaker 1>of sulfuric acid. So while this was effective, it was

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<v Speaker 1>not UH something that a lot of people wanted because

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<v Speaker 1>sulfuric acid is extremely reactive stuff, and if it touches

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<v Speaker 1>organic material, it tends to char it not burn it

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<v Speaker 1>like catch it on fire. It won't ignite, but it

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<v Speaker 1>will char. Like if you just poured sulfuric acid on wood,

0:19:45.600 --> 0:19:48.280
<v Speaker 1>the wood would char from that. So you definitely don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to get it on yourself because you will suffer

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<v Speaker 1>terrible injuries like Phantom of the Opera level injuries. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a reference that I guess you wouldn't get Alamona, but

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<v Speaker 1>don't worry. I'll show it to you later. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>So so this didn't This did not get widespread adoption

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<v Speaker 1>because it was not practical. It was effective, but not practical. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>the ignition was usually pretty spectacular, so in other words,

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't like a small flame like or a small

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<v Speaker 1>spark and then a flame. It was very bright, very loud,

0:20:27.680 --> 0:20:31.600
<v Speaker 1>spontaneous combustion type flame. The stick goes boom, The stick

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<v Speaker 1>goes boom, as you did, uh so eloquently put it earlier. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>in this case, you were right. So this was an

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<v Speaker 1>early example of using chemistry to ignit of fire as

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<v Speaker 1>opposed to the old style of rubbing two sticks together

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<v Speaker 1>kind of friction approach. Now, as I said, sulfuric acid

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<v Speaker 1>is super duper dangerous all on its own, and this

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<v Speaker 1>particular reaction was really dangerous as well. It also was

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<v Speaker 1>very smelly. The smoke it would give off had a

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<v Speaker 1>foul odor. So there are a lot of downsides to

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<v Speaker 1>this particular approach. Let's move forward to eighteen twenty six.

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<v Speaker 1>Now we have an Englishman to talk about, Yes, someone exactly,

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<v Speaker 1>one of your fellow Brits. This English chemist was named

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<v Speaker 1>John Walker, and he was working on this problem two.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, that's that's the English for you. So he

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to pair chemicals together so those two chemicals could

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<v Speaker 1>burst into flame with a substance like cardboard or wood

0:21:39.880 --> 0:21:42.480
<v Speaker 1>that could burn more slowly, so you would get an

0:21:42.480 --> 0:21:46.800
<v Speaker 1>initial burst of flame with the chemicals that flame. That

0:21:46.880 --> 0:21:51.000
<v Speaker 1>flame would then set fire to some sort of substance

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<v Speaker 1>that could last longer. It would burn more slowly, and

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<v Speaker 1>thus you could hold the other end as a handle.

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<v Speaker 1>These are the components we need for a working match.

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<v Speaker 1>We need something we can hold as a handle that's

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<v Speaker 1>probably not on fire, yes, because we're touching it, and

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<v Speaker 1>we have to have an end that is on fire

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<v Speaker 1>or that can at least ignite, and then catch that

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<v Speaker 1>end on fire. So that was the whole idea here,

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<v Speaker 1>and touching fire is bad, right. So he was experimenting

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<v Speaker 1>with different chemical mixtures, but he accidentally dragged a stick

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<v Speaker 1>that was coded in these different chemical mixtures against the

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<v Speaker 1>hearth of his fireplace and discovered that just the friction

0:22:34.280 --> 0:22:39.360
<v Speaker 1>of moving this chemical coated stick against the hearth generated

0:22:39.440 --> 0:22:43.000
<v Speaker 1>enough heat to ignite the stick. So he invented a

0:22:43.080 --> 0:22:46.760
<v Speaker 1>strike anywhere match. I matched that because the chemicals that

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<v Speaker 1>were on the end of it, we're in the right mixture.

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<v Speaker 1>They just need to be heated up enough to hit

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<v Speaker 1>ignition and then PuF burst into flame. So pretty exciting

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<v Speaker 1>for him. He immediately saw a value of this discovery.

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<v Speaker 1>He immediately saw the utility of it, but he also

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<v Speaker 1>thought it was far too useful for him to make

0:23:08.440 --> 0:23:13.040
<v Speaker 1>it secret. His friends were actually suggesting, hey, you should

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<v Speaker 1>patent that. A guy named Faraday, very important person in science.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't expect you to know him. Fair Faraday? Okay,

0:23:21.840 --> 0:23:26.480
<v Speaker 1>fair enough Faraday. Uh recommended to Walker, Hey you should

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<v Speaker 1>patent that, and he said, no, nonsense, nonsense, I'm not

0:23:28.480 --> 0:23:31.720
<v Speaker 1>going to patent it because it's far too interesting and important.

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<v Speaker 1>People should be able to do with us whatever they want.

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<v Speaker 1>And so that allowed a guy named Samuel Jones, another Englishman,

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<v Speaker 1>very exciting name, Sammy Jones of London. He took the

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<v Speaker 1>exact same approach as Walker, and so he began to

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<v Speaker 1>market his own strike anywhere matches based on the exact

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<v Speaker 1>same formula that Walker had created, and he called them lucifers.

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<v Speaker 1>Bringer of light. Yeah, a little little dark and and spooky,

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<v Speaker 1>despite the fact that's also bringer of light. And Henry,

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<v Speaker 1>the leader of the church, will protectors from the super

0:24:08.720 --> 0:24:12.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure that excellent leader. It's a good Anglican reference.

0:24:13.280 --> 0:24:17.280
<v Speaker 1>So this began around eighty nine. And these matches again

0:24:17.320 --> 0:24:20.520
<v Speaker 1>can be struck on any surface and would ignite. And

0:24:20.640 --> 0:24:24.359
<v Speaker 1>they were still pretty spectacular matches, like the burst of

0:24:24.400 --> 0:24:29.879
<v Speaker 1>flame was pretty bright and violent, also smelly. Again you

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<v Speaker 1>identify with that and there, and they were more than

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit dangerous. And other chemists over the time

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<v Speaker 1>would play with different mixtures, and some of them would

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<v Speaker 1>even use white phosphorus. Now you remember what I said

0:24:42.119 --> 0:24:46.159
<v Speaker 1>earlier about white phosphorus rights. This is the stuff that

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<v Speaker 1>when you refine it down to white phosphorus, if it's

0:24:49.720 --> 0:24:54.080
<v Speaker 1>exposed to the air, it will catch fire. That's what

0:24:54.119 --> 0:24:57.560
<v Speaker 1>I want for Christmas in case, Well, they made matches

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<v Speaker 1>out of the stuff, so you are actual matches that

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<v Speaker 1>had white phosphorus, and the idea was that they had

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<v Speaker 1>a slight coating on the outside so that it wasn't

0:25:08.280 --> 0:25:11.399
<v Speaker 1>constantly exposed to air, and that striking it would break

0:25:11.440 --> 0:25:14.920
<v Speaker 1>that coating, exposed the white phosphorus to air. It would

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<v Speaker 1>then have this exothermic reaction I was talking about that

0:25:17.480 --> 0:25:20.040
<v Speaker 1>would ignite the end of the match stick and you

0:25:20.080 --> 0:25:26.040
<v Speaker 1>would get this very bright, powerful uh light the match. However,

0:25:27.080 --> 0:25:30.440
<v Speaker 1>it also meant that if the match heads were damaged

0:25:30.480 --> 0:25:34.200
<v Speaker 1>at all and encountered the air, they would ignite spontaneously.

0:25:35.680 --> 0:25:39.080
<v Speaker 1>So typically you would have a container that was air

0:25:39.160 --> 0:25:43.000
<v Speaker 1>tight to keep these matches inside, because you didn't want

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<v Speaker 1>to risk the danger of the matches going off on

0:25:45.960 --> 0:25:51.960
<v Speaker 1>their own. Because this is all about controlled experiences with fire, Alamona,

0:25:52.040 --> 0:26:00.000
<v Speaker 1>not not just rampant fire, lit fire. Your your sympathy

0:26:00.040 --> 0:26:03.720
<v Speaker 1>is lie in different areas than my own. But h

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<v Speaker 1>other chemist chemists would play with these different approaches trying

0:26:07.440 --> 0:26:13.000
<v Speaker 1>to get it just right, and over time there was

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<v Speaker 1>a decision to move away from white phosphorus matches, not

0:26:17.119 --> 0:26:20.239
<v Speaker 1>just because they were dangerous. They were incredibly popular by

0:26:20.240 --> 0:26:22.920
<v Speaker 1>the way. People loved the fact that you could strike

0:26:22.960 --> 0:26:28.760
<v Speaker 1>these against anything. They were very convenient, but misunderstood certainly

0:26:28.840 --> 0:26:33.680
<v Speaker 1>dangerous because also it was discovered that people working in

0:26:33.720 --> 0:26:38.320
<v Speaker 1>the manufacturing facilities. They were making these white phosphorus matches.

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<v Speaker 1>We're starting to get sick, and they developed an illness

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<v Speaker 1>that became known. And I am not making this up

0:26:47.840 --> 0:26:53.399
<v Speaker 1>as Fossey jaw. Yeah, would you like to know the

0:26:53.400 --> 0:26:56.200
<v Speaker 1>symptoms or you want to take a guess? I think

0:26:56.280 --> 0:26:59.639
<v Speaker 1>that was my grandmother's name, Old Lady false Jaw. I

0:26:59.680 --> 0:27:01.560
<v Speaker 1>was acting you to say you would be wearing a

0:27:01.600 --> 0:27:04.600
<v Speaker 1>bowler hat and doing jazz hands and wearing a black unitard.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't understand that it's fair. That's a that's a

0:27:07.760 --> 0:27:13.480
<v Speaker 1>Fossey joke. No. Actually, this was a truly terrible, terrible disease,

0:27:13.640 --> 0:27:19.520
<v Speaker 1>and it was disfiguring disease. So the exposure to phosphorus

0:27:19.600 --> 0:27:24.960
<v Speaker 1>vapor would cause the bone of the lower jaw to

0:27:25.920 --> 0:27:31.520
<v Speaker 1>dissolve slowly to the point where people had completely would

0:27:31.520 --> 0:27:34.760
<v Speaker 1>have to have their lower jaws removed because if they didn't,

0:27:35.480 --> 0:27:39.000
<v Speaker 1>then the the illness would progress to the point where

0:27:39.000 --> 0:27:42.679
<v Speaker 1>they would experience oregon failure and then die. So this

0:27:42.760 --> 0:27:46.640
<v Speaker 1>is what we call a bad thing. And they would

0:27:46.640 --> 0:27:50.480
<v Speaker 1>lose teeth throughout the process, they'd lose bone mass and

0:27:50.520 --> 0:27:53.440
<v Speaker 1>their jaws. Their jaws would actually give off a greenish

0:27:53.480 --> 0:27:57.280
<v Speaker 1>white light in the dark, they would actually glow a

0:27:57.280 --> 0:27:59.880
<v Speaker 1>bit from all the phosphor that they were or fosse

0:28:00.000 --> 0:28:04.840
<v Speaker 1>for us that they were absorbing. So pretty terrifying stuff. Now,

0:28:06.040 --> 0:28:08.359
<v Speaker 1>at the time that this was happening, it was during

0:28:08.359 --> 0:28:13.440
<v Speaker 1>the Industrial Revolution, which again Alimona, it's ahead of your time.

0:28:13.960 --> 0:28:18.760
<v Speaker 1>But when the peasants talk about revolution, in this case,

0:28:18.800 --> 0:28:23.040
<v Speaker 1>the peasants also were uh in trouble during the Industrial

0:28:23.080 --> 0:28:26.520
<v Speaker 1>Revolution because they were being exploited terribly. So this was

0:28:26.560 --> 0:28:29.240
<v Speaker 1>a time of great industry where you have these huge

0:28:29.440 --> 0:28:33.479
<v Speaker 1>manufacturing facilities that are being built and labor is needed,

0:28:33.720 --> 0:28:35.600
<v Speaker 1>but labor is also plentiful. There are a lot of

0:28:35.600 --> 0:28:38.240
<v Speaker 1>people who are no longer farmers there in there in

0:28:38.280 --> 0:28:41.440
<v Speaker 1>search for work, so they all start looking for places

0:28:41.440 --> 0:28:46.000
<v Speaker 1>where they can get employment. They start joining different facilities,

0:28:46.040 --> 0:28:50.320
<v Speaker 1>including matchmaking facilities. A lot of young women did this.

0:28:50.720 --> 0:28:52.840
<v Speaker 1>I could work that these were the women who were

0:28:52.880 --> 0:28:58.080
<v Speaker 1>suffering from fossey jaw Alimona. These are not not women

0:28:58.120 --> 0:29:01.680
<v Speaker 1>that I'm just saying, I'd be qualified. All From the

0:29:01.680 --> 0:29:07.120
<v Speaker 1>industrialist point of view, these workers were disposable because if

0:29:07.160 --> 0:29:10.920
<v Speaker 1>someone got sick or died or whatever, there were a

0:29:11.000 --> 0:29:14.560
<v Speaker 1>hundred others who were just desperate for a job. So

0:29:15.040 --> 0:29:19.040
<v Speaker 1>this was a terrible situation where people were being exploited

0:29:19.040 --> 0:29:21.840
<v Speaker 1>and they were getting sick, and it all got to

0:29:21.880 --> 0:29:25.960
<v Speaker 1>the point where the women organized what was called the

0:29:26.080 --> 0:29:33.120
<v Speaker 1>Great Match Girls Strike. Was the pun intended? It's an

0:29:33.160 --> 0:29:36.840
<v Speaker 1>excellent question, but it really was like a union strike. Uh.

0:29:36.960 --> 0:29:40.160
<v Speaker 1>They weren't striking matches. I understand that. It's just you know,

0:29:40.240 --> 0:29:42.920
<v Speaker 1>sometimes a pun, a really good pun, just falls into it.

0:29:43.240 --> 0:29:46.960
<v Speaker 1>This time it is an unintentional pun. Uh. So all

0:29:47.080 --> 0:29:52.440
<v Speaker 1>four women walked out of a manufacturing company, a matchmaking

0:29:52.480 --> 0:29:57.680
<v Speaker 1>company called Bryant and May in protest of conditions. Eventually

0:29:58.120 --> 0:30:00.960
<v Speaker 1>they were able to win some protection, although a lot

0:30:01.040 --> 0:30:05.280
<v Speaker 1>of the white phosphorus stuff was still largely ignored because

0:30:05.320 --> 0:30:07.840
<v Speaker 1>they were so popular. There was an alternative that I'm

0:30:07.880 --> 0:30:10.880
<v Speaker 1>going to talk about in the second to white phosphorus,

0:30:10.920 --> 0:30:13.440
<v Speaker 1>but nobody wanted those. They wanted the ones you could

0:30:13.440 --> 0:30:17.959
<v Speaker 1>strike anywhere. Well, in nineteen o six there was an organization,

0:30:18.120 --> 0:30:21.719
<v Speaker 1>a group gathering called the International Burn Convention that passed

0:30:21.720 --> 0:30:25.240
<v Speaker 1>prohibitions on white phosphorus matches, and the industry as a

0:30:25.240 --> 0:30:28.280
<v Speaker 1>whole migrated away from them. It took a few more

0:30:28.360 --> 0:30:30.880
<v Speaker 1>years they kept on doing it for a little while longer,

0:30:31.440 --> 0:30:35.960
<v Speaker 1>and then eventually they stopped, and thus we saw a

0:30:36.120 --> 0:30:40.800
<v Speaker 1>drastic improvement in conditions for workers who were making matches.

0:30:41.440 --> 0:30:46.000
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, it was a pretty ironically dark time when

0:30:46.040 --> 0:30:49.080
<v Speaker 1>you look at the conditions that people had to endure

0:30:49.120 --> 0:30:51.480
<v Speaker 1>in order to make these. Now, on the other hand,

0:30:52.200 --> 0:30:56.040
<v Speaker 1>the demand for matches at this time was astounding because

0:30:56.400 --> 0:31:00.760
<v Speaker 1>you're talking about a moment in history where people had

0:31:00.800 --> 0:31:04.160
<v Speaker 1>access to things that would allow them to generate light

0:31:04.840 --> 0:31:08.080
<v Speaker 1>after the sun went down. Now, Alamonia, you know that

0:31:08.080 --> 0:31:10.600
<v Speaker 1>when the sun goes down, it's just time to go

0:31:10.640 --> 0:31:16.360
<v Speaker 1>to bed because you can't see nothing that well, there was.

0:31:16.560 --> 0:31:18.680
<v Speaker 1>There was at one time where I got a little

0:31:18.720 --> 0:31:22.680
<v Speaker 1>excited and then yeah, well apart from like conflagrations, you

0:31:22.720 --> 0:31:26.480
<v Speaker 1>don't really see village boom. It was all bright and

0:31:26.520 --> 0:31:29.480
<v Speaker 1>everyone was happy. That That explains why we went from

0:31:29.480 --> 0:31:32.640
<v Speaker 1>Willy Nilly on the wash Over to Newcastle. There was

0:31:32.640 --> 0:31:34.959
<v Speaker 1>actually a relocation of the Georgia in the Suncestival. All

0:31:34.960 --> 0:31:36.480
<v Speaker 1>of that is true. By the way, you can all

0:31:36.560 --> 0:31:40.440
<v Speaker 1>serve the relocation part. I'm not so certain about the

0:31:41.520 --> 0:31:47.160
<v Speaker 1>yeah that part. So this was a change, a social change.

0:31:47.160 --> 0:31:50.520
<v Speaker 1>Now we're getting into a point where people had opportunity

0:31:50.800 --> 0:31:53.360
<v Speaker 1>to have lights in their own homes, whether they were

0:31:54.080 --> 0:31:57.240
<v Speaker 1>you know, lanterns that have been around for ages, but

0:31:57.280 --> 0:31:59.400
<v Speaker 1>now it was easier to light them because you had matches,

0:32:00.480 --> 0:32:02.840
<v Speaker 1>or it was even stuff like gas lamps that were

0:32:02.840 --> 0:32:07.080
<v Speaker 1>starting to be deployed in certain cities. So that meant

0:32:07.120 --> 0:32:10.520
<v Speaker 1>that matches were really sought after, so there was a

0:32:10.600 --> 0:32:14.000
<v Speaker 1>heavy market for them. Fortunately, there were some other smarty

0:32:14.040 --> 0:32:17.800
<v Speaker 1>pants who were coming up with ideas that were alternatives

0:32:17.840 --> 0:32:20.320
<v Speaker 1>to this white phosphorus approach. And I'll talk about that

0:32:20.360 --> 0:32:23.280
<v Speaker 1>more in just a second, but first let's take another

0:32:23.400 --> 0:32:34.440
<v Speaker 1>quick break. All right, Alimona, you're still following me right somewhere.

0:32:34.480 --> 0:32:37.160
<v Speaker 1>I got a little bit lost along the path, and

0:32:37.160 --> 0:32:40.120
<v Speaker 1>here you're looking for I heard it was a nice

0:32:40.160 --> 0:32:44.120
<v Speaker 1>person named the Quister walking around. Oh yeah, that's a

0:32:44.120 --> 0:32:48.640
<v Speaker 1>different show. I think he dresses like me a bit. Okay, yeah,

0:32:48.720 --> 0:32:51.040
<v Speaker 1>all right, So if you want to know who Alimona

0:32:51.160 --> 0:32:53.320
<v Speaker 1>is talking about with the Quister, you need to listen

0:32:53.360 --> 0:32:57.840
<v Speaker 1>to the podcast Ridiculous History, where the Quister shows up

0:32:57.920 --> 0:33:03.479
<v Speaker 1>and occasionally and in episodes and torments, the hosts of

0:33:03.520 --> 0:33:06.320
<v Speaker 1>that show. The hosts that show are are Ben Bolan

0:33:06.440 --> 0:33:12.480
<v Speaker 1>and Noel Brown. I'm commenting you match made in so

0:33:12.600 --> 0:33:15.680
<v Speaker 1>similar that it's actually making me regret quisters segments at

0:33:15.680 --> 0:33:20.800
<v Speaker 1>this point. Alright, So, in the mid to late nineteenth century,

0:33:21.480 --> 0:33:25.560
<v Speaker 1>different inventors were using stuff like lead ox side and

0:33:25.600 --> 0:33:28.400
<v Speaker 1>potassium chlorate to kind of tweak matches. They were trying

0:33:28.440 --> 0:33:33.520
<v Speaker 1>to make the matches burn without generating as much smelly smoke,

0:33:33.720 --> 0:33:37.080
<v Speaker 1>like because he's still smelled really bad. They're very sulfuric um.

0:33:37.200 --> 0:33:39.680
<v Speaker 1>They were trying to find ways so that they were

0:33:39.800 --> 0:33:42.640
<v Speaker 1>quieter because they were very loud when you were striking

0:33:42.680 --> 0:33:46.440
<v Speaker 1>these matches the early ones, and with a more controlled burn.

0:33:47.160 --> 0:33:55.400
<v Speaker 1>There was an Austrian scientist named Anton von Schrutter who yes, yes,

0:33:55.760 --> 0:33:59.280
<v Speaker 1>and he used red phosphorus instead of white phosphorus, and

0:33:59.320 --> 0:34:02.040
<v Speaker 1>he did that in to create a more stable match,

0:34:02.440 --> 0:34:07.760
<v Speaker 1>one that would not be prone to spontaneous combustion. So, okay,

0:34:07.800 --> 0:34:11.520
<v Speaker 1>well you're sad, but most people meant that if you

0:34:11.560 --> 0:34:13.560
<v Speaker 1>were to accidentally scratch the end of the match head,

0:34:13.600 --> 0:34:15.440
<v Speaker 1>you didn't have to worry about it bursting into flame.

0:34:16.000 --> 0:34:18.640
<v Speaker 1>And this is what paved the way to the modern

0:34:18.920 --> 0:34:22.320
<v Speaker 1>safety match. So a safety match is a very clever

0:34:22.520 --> 0:34:27.400
<v Speaker 1>invention in which the ingredients needed for combustion are not

0:34:27.560 --> 0:34:32.840
<v Speaker 1>all contained within the match head itself, so you divide them.

0:34:33.160 --> 0:34:35.759
<v Speaker 1>You put some of the ingredients on the match head,

0:34:36.200 --> 0:34:39.200
<v Speaker 1>but you put the other ingredients on the striking surface

0:34:39.239 --> 0:34:42.560
<v Speaker 1>that you're going to use to ignite the match. And

0:34:42.840 --> 0:34:45.319
<v Speaker 1>this is how you make it safe, because it's not

0:34:45.360 --> 0:34:49.160
<v Speaker 1>gonna even if you rub two matches together, they're lacking

0:34:49.200 --> 0:34:51.560
<v Speaker 1>the ingredient that will allow them to combust, so you

0:34:51.600 --> 0:34:54.200
<v Speaker 1>don't have to worry about them like jostling around and

0:34:54.239 --> 0:34:57.880
<v Speaker 1>then setting themselves on fire. Uh So in a modern matchbook,

0:34:57.920 --> 0:34:59.719
<v Speaker 1>you can think of one half of the ingredients is

0:34:59.760 --> 0:35:01.520
<v Speaker 1>being a the match stick. The other half are on

0:35:01.600 --> 0:35:04.080
<v Speaker 1>that little strip that you use when you strike the

0:35:04.080 --> 0:35:07.080
<v Speaker 1>match and ignite it. And this is why, uh you

0:35:07.160 --> 0:35:10.960
<v Speaker 1>don't have to, you know, freak out about those matches.

0:35:11.040 --> 0:35:13.960
<v Speaker 1>Just like hitting the ground or something, they'll never ignite

0:35:14.040 --> 0:35:16.560
<v Speaker 1>unless it just happens to be hot enough to hit

0:35:16.600 --> 0:35:20.040
<v Speaker 1>their ignition temperature, because that will still cause them to ignite.

0:35:20.040 --> 0:35:25.040
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm sure if you've ever certainly feels like

0:35:25.040 --> 0:35:26.600
<v Speaker 1>it gets hot enough for that, But if you ever

0:35:26.960 --> 0:35:29.960
<v Speaker 1>bring like an unlit match close to a flame, you'll

0:35:29.960 --> 0:35:32.279
<v Speaker 1>see that at some point it will burst into flame

0:35:32.320 --> 0:35:35.200
<v Speaker 1>itself because you will have heated the end of that

0:35:35.239 --> 0:35:40.920
<v Speaker 1>match to its ignition point. But don't do that. It's dangerous.

0:35:41.400 --> 0:35:45.280
<v Speaker 1>Don't listen. It's not al Amona's show, it's my show.

0:35:46.600 --> 0:35:51.000
<v Speaker 1>And it's also why um these matches you can't replicate

0:35:51.040 --> 0:35:54.680
<v Speaker 1>that cool move you might see and you won't know this, Alumona.

0:35:54.760 --> 0:35:57.279
<v Speaker 1>But in a movie where someone like strikes a match

0:35:57.320 --> 0:35:59.880
<v Speaker 1>against like the bottom of their shoe or a brick,

0:36:00.239 --> 0:36:01.680
<v Speaker 1>and it just burst in the flame and then they

0:36:01.760 --> 0:36:04.879
<v Speaker 1>light something cool with it and they shake the match

0:36:04.960 --> 0:36:07.720
<v Speaker 1>stick out. You can't do that with safety matches unless

0:36:07.800 --> 0:36:09.760
<v Speaker 1>you happen to have coated the bottom of your shoe

0:36:10.400 --> 0:36:14.320
<v Speaker 1>with the other component needed to create combustion, which I

0:36:14.320 --> 0:36:17.600
<v Speaker 1>guess you could do if you really wanted to. Uh.

0:36:18.080 --> 0:36:21.200
<v Speaker 1>And there still are non safety matches. They're still matches

0:36:21.719 --> 0:36:24.680
<v Speaker 1>that will ignite if you strike them against any surface.

0:36:25.280 --> 0:36:27.520
<v Speaker 1>You can still buy them. They are not made out

0:36:27.520 --> 0:36:29.960
<v Speaker 1>of white phosphorus anymore. They're made off of other materials,

0:36:30.000 --> 0:36:33.279
<v Speaker 1>but they still do the same thing, and that you

0:36:33.320 --> 0:36:36.880
<v Speaker 1>can strike them against any surface and they will ignite. UH.

0:36:36.920 --> 0:36:38.840
<v Speaker 1>If they as long as the friction allows them to

0:36:38.840 --> 0:36:42.160
<v Speaker 1>reach their ignition temperature. As for modern safety matches, they

0:36:42.160 --> 0:36:45.240
<v Speaker 1>tend to have potassium chlorate as well as an oxidizing agent,

0:36:46.000 --> 0:36:48.520
<v Speaker 1>or as the oxidizing agent, I should say, And they

0:36:48.520 --> 0:36:52.440
<v Speaker 1>have antimately sulfide, which sounds like a relative of yours

0:36:52.960 --> 0:36:59.160
<v Speaker 1>and little right, And then the striking surface would have

0:36:59.200 --> 0:37:01.680
<v Speaker 1>the coating of red phosphorus, So the red phosphorus is

0:37:01.680 --> 0:37:05.120
<v Speaker 1>actually on whatever surface you're supposed to strike the match on,

0:37:05.600 --> 0:37:07.799
<v Speaker 1>and so bringing them together and creating friction is enough

0:37:07.880 --> 0:37:11.320
<v Speaker 1>to light the little suckers. All right, Well, I'm gonna

0:37:11.360 --> 0:37:13.880
<v Speaker 1>do another episode where I'm gonna talk more about lighters,

0:37:13.920 --> 0:37:16.800
<v Speaker 1>but I want to give you a little bit of

0:37:16.800 --> 0:37:20.160
<v Speaker 1>of a preview of that, Alimona, because this is you

0:37:20.200 --> 0:37:24.040
<v Speaker 1>seem to be fascinated by the concept of a lighter.

0:37:25.239 --> 0:37:27.840
<v Speaker 1>So I'm going to talk about the earliest thing that

0:37:27.920 --> 0:37:30.080
<v Speaker 1>people refer to as a lighter, and that's going to

0:37:30.120 --> 0:37:33.759
<v Speaker 1>be the close of this episode. So lighters, like I

0:37:33.760 --> 0:37:37.000
<v Speaker 1>said earlier, we're being developed around the same time that

0:37:37.160 --> 0:37:40.960
<v Speaker 1>matches were. It's not like we got matches right and

0:37:40.960 --> 0:37:43.880
<v Speaker 1>then we moved on to lighters. They were independent lines

0:37:44.000 --> 0:37:48.880
<v Speaker 1>of invention. And innovation. So the first lighter, most people agree,

0:37:49.320 --> 0:37:54.680
<v Speaker 1>was made by a German chemist named Johann Wolfgang Dobert Reiner.

0:37:55.480 --> 0:37:59.279
<v Speaker 1>Great name, he wins, he wins the names. Yeah, so

0:37:59.440 --> 0:38:03.400
<v Speaker 1>he a numerous contributions to chemistry. He it's not just

0:38:03.520 --> 0:38:05.600
<v Speaker 1>the guy who made the first lighter. He did lots

0:38:05.600 --> 0:38:08.200
<v Speaker 1>of stuff. But for our purposes, the thing we want

0:38:08.239 --> 0:38:11.800
<v Speaker 1>to look at is this later that he made the

0:38:11.880 --> 0:38:16.200
<v Speaker 1>double Reiner lamp, and this was an ingenious invention. It

0:38:16.320 --> 0:38:20.520
<v Speaker 1>is also tricky to describe without pictures, but I'm gonna

0:38:20.560 --> 0:38:23.960
<v Speaker 1>try and do it in Alimona. Honestly, the only way

0:38:23.960 --> 0:38:26.960
<v Speaker 1>I can read books just through the pictures. Okay, well,

0:38:27.000 --> 0:38:29.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to paint you a word picture with my words.

0:38:30.560 --> 0:38:33.360
<v Speaker 1>But if you have questions, like honestly, if you have

0:38:33.440 --> 0:38:37.919
<v Speaker 1>trouble imagining what I'm saying, tell me, because that would

0:38:37.920 --> 0:38:40.560
<v Speaker 1>tell me. Oh, I should explain this a different way

0:38:40.719 --> 0:38:44.120
<v Speaker 1>so that the listeners at home also understand it. So

0:38:44.120 --> 0:38:50.120
<v Speaker 1>you're gonna play a truly valuable service here. You're welcome. Okay,

0:38:50.120 --> 0:38:54.040
<v Speaker 1>well just take it seriously. Here we go. Now, first

0:38:54.040 --> 0:38:57.080
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna start imagining that you have a glass jar

0:38:57.640 --> 0:38:59.919
<v Speaker 1>and you have a lid that would fit on top

0:39:00.000 --> 0:39:03.800
<v Speaker 1>of that glass jar. Okay, so that's what we're starting from.

0:39:03.840 --> 0:39:07.759
<v Speaker 1>The glass jar has sulfuric acid in it. That's that

0:39:07.840 --> 0:39:11.799
<v Speaker 1>stuff I was talking about earlier. Super reactive. It can

0:39:11.920 --> 0:39:16.920
<v Speaker 1>char you know, skin and would uh and you definitely

0:39:16.960 --> 0:39:18.560
<v Speaker 1>don't want to touch it. So anyway, you've got this

0:39:18.640 --> 0:39:22.600
<v Speaker 1>jar of sulfuric acid. Now imagine that that you've taken

0:39:22.600 --> 0:39:25.480
<v Speaker 1>the lid off of this jar and you attached to

0:39:25.560 --> 0:39:30.120
<v Speaker 1>the lid a cylinder of glass. Okay, it's open at

0:39:30.160 --> 0:39:33.560
<v Speaker 1>either end, except that you've glued one end to the

0:39:33.600 --> 0:39:37.319
<v Speaker 1>bottom side of the lid of the jar, all right,

0:39:38.200 --> 0:39:41.759
<v Speaker 1>And now imagine that you have poked a hole in

0:39:41.840 --> 0:39:44.040
<v Speaker 1>the top of the lid on the other side of

0:39:44.120 --> 0:39:47.000
<v Speaker 1>that open end of the cylinder, and you put a

0:39:47.120 --> 0:39:51.000
<v Speaker 1>valve there, which only allows air to pass through if

0:39:51.000 --> 0:39:55.200
<v Speaker 1>the valve is open, but it's closed. Now, this means

0:39:55.200 --> 0:39:57.600
<v Speaker 1>that if you were to put the lid on the jar,

0:39:58.040 --> 0:40:01.239
<v Speaker 1>you would be pushing that cylin are down through the

0:40:01.280 --> 0:40:04.319
<v Speaker 1>sulfuric acid in the jar. And because the air is

0:40:04.400 --> 0:40:08.560
<v Speaker 1>trapped inside the cylinder, it will push the sulfuric acid

0:40:08.560 --> 0:40:10.399
<v Speaker 1>out of the way. It will displace it, So the

0:40:10.520 --> 0:40:13.000
<v Speaker 1>level of sulfuric acid will rise a bit in the jar.

0:40:13.719 --> 0:40:18.239
<v Speaker 1>The cylinder inside will remain just full of air. The

0:40:18.239 --> 0:40:20.520
<v Speaker 1>sulfuric acid can't come up in there. If you're having

0:40:20.520 --> 0:40:23.520
<v Speaker 1>trouble imagining this, just imagine what happens if you take

0:40:23.520 --> 0:40:26.160
<v Speaker 1>a straw, like a drinking straw, and you put your

0:40:26.200 --> 0:40:29.160
<v Speaker 1>finger over the top of the drinking straw and then

0:40:29.200 --> 0:40:31.719
<v Speaker 1>you put it down into liquid. The liquid doesn't go

0:40:31.800 --> 0:40:33.960
<v Speaker 1>up in the straw because the air pressure inside the

0:40:34.000 --> 0:40:38.840
<v Speaker 1>straw keeps it out. All right, good, I'm glad that

0:40:38.880 --> 0:40:42.759
<v Speaker 1>we're on the same page. Okay, So you've got this

0:40:42.840 --> 0:40:45.720
<v Speaker 1>cylinder in it. It keeps the sulfuric acid out because

0:40:45.880 --> 0:40:49.000
<v Speaker 1>it's air tight at the moment, because the valve is shut. Now,

0:40:49.640 --> 0:40:53.719
<v Speaker 1>also imagine that dangling in the center of the cylinder.

0:40:54.120 --> 0:40:57.000
<v Speaker 1>So you've you've attached some form of line on the

0:40:57.080 --> 0:40:59.760
<v Speaker 1>underside of the lid as well. At where the cylinder,

0:41:00.040 --> 0:41:03.040
<v Speaker 1>the top of the cylinder is dangling. Inside the cylinder

0:41:03.719 --> 0:41:09.239
<v Speaker 1>is a piece of zinc. Okay, the metal zinc. It

0:41:09.400 --> 0:41:12.200
<v Speaker 1>is attached to a tether. It's dangling in the middle

0:41:12.200 --> 0:41:16.239
<v Speaker 1>of this cylinder. Still, there's nothing touching anything else right,

0:41:16.280 --> 0:41:18.880
<v Speaker 1>the sulfuric acid isn't coming into contact with anything inside

0:41:18.920 --> 0:41:23.120
<v Speaker 1>the cylinder, all right. Now, imagine you open the valve

0:41:23.640 --> 0:41:25.960
<v Speaker 1>on the top of the lid. So now you've created

0:41:26.320 --> 0:41:30.200
<v Speaker 1>away for the air inside the cylinder to escape. The

0:41:30.239 --> 0:41:33.760
<v Speaker 1>pressure from the sulfuric acid will push against the air

0:41:33.800 --> 0:41:36.960
<v Speaker 1>inside that cylinder. It will make some of that air escape.

0:41:37.160 --> 0:41:39.799
<v Speaker 1>The sulfuric acid will start to come into where the

0:41:39.800 --> 0:41:44.080
<v Speaker 1>cylinder is and actually make contact with the zinc. You

0:41:44.200 --> 0:41:46.960
<v Speaker 1>close off the valveu you shut the valve. Valve shut.

0:41:47.000 --> 0:41:50.080
<v Speaker 1>Now the sulfuric acid is going to react with that zinc,

0:41:50.400 --> 0:41:54.360
<v Speaker 1>and that reaction gives off hydrogen gas. So little bubbles

0:41:54.400 --> 0:41:57.600
<v Speaker 1>will form on this zinc, and the bubbles will bubble

0:41:57.680 --> 0:42:01.279
<v Speaker 1>up into the interior of the cylinder. And because the

0:42:01.320 --> 0:42:03.920
<v Speaker 1>valve is shut, the bubbles have nowhere to go. The

0:42:03.920 --> 0:42:06.560
<v Speaker 1>bubbles start building up. That starts to push the sulfuric

0:42:06.600 --> 0:42:10.760
<v Speaker 1>acid back out again because you're increasing the pressure inside

0:42:10.800 --> 0:42:14.359
<v Speaker 1>the cylinder. But now it's not air, just regular air

0:42:14.400 --> 0:42:17.799
<v Speaker 1>that's in that cylinder. Now it's hydrogen gas. So you've

0:42:17.800 --> 0:42:20.120
<v Speaker 1>got a cylinder filled with hydrogen gas. If you open

0:42:20.200 --> 0:42:23.560
<v Speaker 1>up that valve again, you'll release hydrogen gas. Okay, So

0:42:23.600 --> 0:42:27.200
<v Speaker 1>that's the basic part of this lamp. The next part

0:42:27.320 --> 0:42:30.600
<v Speaker 1>was another component on top of the lid, the top side,

0:42:30.600 --> 0:42:34.239
<v Speaker 1>not the side that's inside the jar, that holds a

0:42:34.600 --> 0:42:38.120
<v Speaker 1>what they called a platinum sponge. It was a porous

0:42:38.239 --> 0:42:42.480
<v Speaker 1>piece of platinum and it's position in such a way

0:42:42.520 --> 0:42:46.719
<v Speaker 1>to be directly across from the valve where the hydrogen

0:42:46.760 --> 0:42:50.279
<v Speaker 1>can come out. All right, So when you open up

0:42:50.320 --> 0:42:54.160
<v Speaker 1>the valve, hydrogen shoots out from the air pressure and

0:42:54.200 --> 0:42:59.400
<v Speaker 1>it goes across and hits this platinum sponge. When platinum

0:42:59.560 --> 0:43:02.520
<v Speaker 1>is in the s sense of hydrogen and oxygen, it

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<v Speaker 1>creates a chemical reaction that's exothermic, which means it gives

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<v Speaker 1>off heat. Hydrogen gas is extremely flammable. That I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>you would. Does the phrase oh the humanity mean anything

0:43:17.800 --> 0:43:20.480
<v Speaker 1>to you. That's what everyone screamed when I when it

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<v Speaker 1>was really dark that one night to night, And yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>well then you're totally on board. So this means that

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<v Speaker 1>the hydrogen gas catches fire and you've got a lighter

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<v Speaker 1>because the hydrogen from the cylinder has come out, it's

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<v Speaker 1>hit that platinum sponge. The platinum sponge has that exothermic

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<v Speaker 1>catalyzes an exothermic reaction that then ignites the hydrogen gas

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<v Speaker 1>that's still coming out through the valve. As long as

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<v Speaker 1>the valve is open, this is still going, but hydrogen

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<v Speaker 1>flames are essentially invisible. You can't really see them. However,

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<v Speaker 1>if you were to put anything within that that section

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<v Speaker 1>where the valve is open, it would catch fire. So

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<v Speaker 1>if you put a match in there, it would make

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<v Speaker 1>the match catch on fire because even though it's invisible,

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<v Speaker 1>it's flaming. It actually is happening. It's it's burning at

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<v Speaker 1>that moment, so you can use it to light you know,

0:44:13.200 --> 0:44:18.440
<v Speaker 1>matches or candles or whatever. Alright, and then when you

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<v Speaker 1>would close the valve, the flame would go out because

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<v Speaker 1>there's no more fuel coming out. And as long as

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<v Speaker 1>the zinc is still in contact with the sulfuric acid,

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<v Speaker 1>it will continue to generate more hydrogen gas. And eventually

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<v Speaker 1>one of two things will happen. It'll either generate enough

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<v Speaker 1>hydrogen gas so that the gas has pushed the sulfuric

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<v Speaker 1>acid down to a level where it's no longer in

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<v Speaker 1>contact with the zinc, because you know, you've built up

0:44:44.320 --> 0:44:47.440
<v Speaker 1>the air pressure, it's pushed it's like blowing into a straw.

0:44:47.800 --> 0:44:52.480
<v Speaker 1>It's pushed down. The liquid um or the zinc will

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<v Speaker 1>get consumed by the sulfuric acid and it will stop

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<v Speaker 1>because there's nothing for the sulfuric acid to dissolve anymore,

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<v Speaker 1>So you won't you won't be generating anymore hydrogen. You'll

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<v Speaker 1>have to replace the zinc um. Those are the two outcomes.

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<v Speaker 1>So it was really cool because this lighter worked purely

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<v Speaker 1>on chemistry. There was no striking, there was no sparks,

0:45:11.200 --> 0:45:15.799
<v Speaker 1>there was nothing that had to ignite a fuel. It

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<v Speaker 1>was purely by generating this hydrogen gas, shooting it at platinum,

0:45:20.280 --> 0:45:22.960
<v Speaker 1>having that create the chemical reaction and then boom, you've

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<v Speaker 1>got a flame as long as that valve is open.

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<v Speaker 1>It was ingenious. It was also incredibly dangerous because it

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<v Speaker 1>was a vat of sulfuric acid um. So it was

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<v Speaker 1>not something that would become widely adopted or universally adopted.

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<v Speaker 1>But it is a phenomenal invention and there are um

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<v Speaker 1>forgive me, Alimona, there are videos on YouTube that show

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<v Speaker 1>these things working. Yeah, you just sit there and think

0:45:52.239 --> 0:45:55.920
<v Speaker 1>about fiery stuff, but there are videos on YouTube if

0:45:55.920 --> 0:45:59.680
<v Speaker 1>you want to look this up. They are really fascinating

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<v Speaker 1>and you can even see them in action and understand

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<v Speaker 1>better the mechanisms I'm talking about that make this lighter possible. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a Dobba Reiner lamp, so you should check those

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<v Speaker 1>out because they are really cool. So it does not

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<v Speaker 1>surprise me in the slightest well, um alamona uh that

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<v Speaker 1>is I thank you. You have been the most unique

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<v Speaker 1>guest I've ever had on tech Stuff and I once

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<v Speaker 1>had strong bad in here. Oh he sounds yeah. He

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<v Speaker 1>gave me a sign off even it was pretty amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope you enjoyed that episode. I actually followed that

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<v Speaker 1>up with an episode about lighters to talk about how

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<v Speaker 1>they work and the physics and mechanics behind them. So

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<v Speaker 1>if you want to learn more about those, you can

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<v Speaker 1>look through the archives of tech Stuff. It was in

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