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Speaker 1: What's up, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of Crush

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Speaker 1: City Territory. I'm Channeler Roam with Tyler Stafford and Tyler.

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Speaker 1: We're on YouTube now we're making it big time. I'm sorry,

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Speaker 1: I look like this, Tyler, You're gonna have to carry

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Speaker 2: A face made for YouTube is what no one has

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Speaker 1: that's probably their subtle way of saying I have a

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Speaker 1: new podcast. So last time we gave you a podcast,

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Speaker 1: things were a little chaotic. We talked to you about

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Speaker 1: an hour after the Astros traded Kyle Tucker to the

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Speaker 1: Chicago Cubs. Since then, we've heard from Dana Brown, We've

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Speaker 1: heard from Cam Smith, We've heard from Hayden was Nesky.

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Speaker 1: We've heard from Estoc Paratus, and today the Chicago media

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Speaker 1: heard from Kyle Tucker. I watched a little bit of

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Speaker 1: it on MLB Network, and it was vintage Kyle Tucker.

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Speaker 1: Not a ton of substance said, but he was charming,

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Speaker 1: smiled a good bit. He got the Chicago media really

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Speaker 1: excited when he said he could listen to extension offers

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Speaker 1: during the season, that he'd be open to that, but

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Speaker 1: unless the Cubs give him five hundred million dollars, I

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Speaker 1: don't see any reason why he should take an extension.

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Speaker 1: But have fun in Chicago. Kyle Tucker. It seems like,

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Speaker 1: you know, he got asked a lot today about being

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Speaker 1: the face, about being the guy in a trade, because,

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Speaker 1: like we've talked about, Kyle Tucker has never been the guy,

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Speaker 1: especially not in Houston. So it was a challenge that

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Speaker 1: he said he acknowledged, you know, he's never had to

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Speaker 1: do that. But seems like he's ready for it, and

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Speaker 1: I think he'll thrive. I think, you know, I don't

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Speaker 1: think he's all of a sudden gonna become this vocal

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Speaker 1: guy that is raw rah and showing a bunch of emotion.

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Speaker 1: He's not going to change who he is, but I

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Speaker 1: think he's ready to maybe ascend and become a little

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Speaker 1: more than just a supporting piece.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. I Mean the thing that helps him

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Speaker 2: the most, I think is that he's really good at baseball,

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Speaker 2: and when he has to talk about that, you know,

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Speaker 2: it's it's right in his comfort zone.

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Speaker 1: You know. He said, he talked about how you know,

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Speaker 1: they were trying to get him to they were asking

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Speaker 1: a bunch of different questions to get stuff out of him.

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Speaker 1: And again, this is a problem that we had with

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Speaker 1: Kyle Tucker a lot, and Houston just asking questions to

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Speaker 1: try to get something out of him, and finally he said,

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Speaker 1: you know, I just like to come and win. You know.

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Speaker 1: He was like, what's the point of getting up in

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Speaker 1: to win? And I was like, Okay, as long as

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Speaker 1: Kyle just keeps saying that, he'll and deer himself to

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Speaker 1: the fan base. But I doubt any of you want

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Speaker 1: to hear any more about Kyle Tucker because he is

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Speaker 1: no longer an astro. However, we can talk about the

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Speaker 1: three guys that are currently ashs, the three guys they

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Speaker 1: got back for Kyle Tucker. We're gonna do that today.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about Cam Smith, talk about ESTOC parades,

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Speaker 1: and we're gonna talk about Hayden was Neski. And in

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Speaker 1: journalism they always tell you do not bury the lead,

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Speaker 1: so we won't bury the lead here. Cam Smith is

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Speaker 1: the centerpiece of this trade. Had a chance to talk

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Speaker 1: to him on Monday for a story that I wrote

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Speaker 1: in The Athletic, and never I've never met Cam Smith.

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Speaker 1: The twenty minute phone call I had was the first

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Speaker 1: interaction I've ever had with him. Very polished kid, very polite,

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Speaker 1: seemed very professional. Is however confident you know he did say.

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Speaker 1: I asked him, you know what player he tries to

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Speaker 1: emulate his game after and he said he likes likings

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Speaker 1: himself to a Rod. But he did say, don't not

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Speaker 1: the numbers, not a Rod's numbers. But Cam Smith sixty

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Speaker 1: So I guess a Rod was an all right one.

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Speaker 2: We can at least get him the same number of

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Speaker 1: I think he and look if he comes on this

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Speaker 1: We would get him so much, so many car dealerships.

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Speaker 1: I wrote about in The Athletic this morning, you know,

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Speaker 1: Dana Brown thinks this is an impact bat. I think

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Speaker 1: Cam Smith's bat is going to be what really really

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Speaker 1: His offensive profile is everything astros want like, doesn't strike out,

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Speaker 1: puts the ball in play, has a high on base percentage.

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Speaker 1: You know, he talked today, he talked to me yesterday

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Speaker 1: settled into that approach and it's working out well for

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Speaker 1: so Tyler. This is gonna be a guy that as

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Speaker 1: long as his bat plays, they'll find a position for

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Speaker 1: We're talking about his defense a little bit later, but

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Speaker 1: for right now, this is undoubtedly the best bat in

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the bat is I mean plus plus raw power.

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Speaker 2: It's not there in the game yet. I mean he

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Speaker 2: and I mean he can hit the cover off the ball.

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Speaker 2: I was reading about him, and you know, his first

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Speaker 2: and you know, he was outrageously good for a Florida

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Speaker 2: So if you can just keep that pace up, I

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Speaker 2: And the thing I was most excited about is he

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Speaker 2: went to the same high school as Astros legend Brad Peacock.

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Speaker 2: Staff Ace, Brad Peacock, you weren't around for the twenty

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Speaker 2: He was unbelievable. So that's my own personal connection to

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Speaker 1: A trivia question that will go down in Astros lore

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Speaker 1: Brad Peacock. Absolutely.

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Speaker 2: I was at Game four twenty seventeen. I was so

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Speaker 1: So maybe he's also maybe the only baseball player I've

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Speaker 1: But you know, yeah, him and Cam Smith both Palm

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Speaker 1: One thing Cam Smith said you mentioned is his stint

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Speaker 1: He credits meditating to really what's helped him turn not

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Speaker 1: know he now before every game, he puts Bob Marley

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Speaker 1: find time between pitches, he'll find a way to get

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Speaker 1: That's not always a guarantee.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, everything I've read about him is eighty grade makeup.

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Speaker 2: Like you know, it has the work ethic to be

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Speaker 2: and yeah, I'm very excited to see him. I think

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Speaker 2: certainly the arm will play anywhere. Even reading things from

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know, I talked to two talent evaluators

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Speaker 1: him right field given who he was traded for. So

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Speaker 1: there was a whole debate as oh, where's Bregmann going

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Speaker 1: he is the guy that in five or six years,

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Speaker 1: we're going to look at this trade and it'll be

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Speaker 1: we'll be able to judge it on how he did,

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Speaker 1: on how the Astros did with this trade, will be

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Speaker 1: judged on how cam Smith performs. In the more immediate term, though,

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Speaker 1: this team's gonna have both Estoc Paradus and Hayden w

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Speaker 1: I guess where Escoc Paratus is going to play. He's

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Speaker 1: going to play for the twenty twenty five Astros. But

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Speaker 1: Nolan Arenado. And if the Astros do get Nolan Aronado,

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Speaker 2: A lot of that is the pizza. I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: So I agree, Oh I disagree. I love Deep Dish.

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Speaker 2: I'm right. People, people will agree with me. You you

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Speaker 2: So proud of you. Yeah, we need to stop.

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Speaker 1: at Usekakuci I'm just saying, like the Astros, like guys

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Speaker 1: that get above average, above league average extension. He does.

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Speaker 1: His sweeper has been one of the better sweepers in

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Speaker 1: baseball at points. Last year, I think it had a

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Speaker 1: run value of nine according to Baseball Savant. That's a

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Speaker 1: really good pitch. He can get it up to ninety seven.

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Speaker 1: You know, he doesn't walk.

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Speaker 2: Out of the sweeper ninety seven.

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Speaker 1: Oh, he can get the fastball up to ninety seven.

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Speaker 1: Not the sweeper doesn't walk. Guys walks like two guys

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Speaker 1: per nine, strikes out almost nine printing or nine per

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Speaker 1: nine innings. Excuse me, that'd be That'd be another feat if.

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Speaker 2: We were talking him up hour sweeper and striking out

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Speaker 2: nine guys an inning.

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Speaker 1: The one thing that that just glares. He's given up

447
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Speaker 1: thirty five home runs in his big league career. And

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Speaker 1: of those thirty five home runs, he's given up ninety

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Speaker 1: six runs as a as a major leaguer. Fifty of

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Speaker 1: them have come off home runs. So I have very

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Speaker 1: very good at I have good teaching advice for Josh

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Speaker 1: Miller and Bill Murphy. They should tell Hayden was an

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Speaker 1: eskey to stop giving up home runs.

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Speaker 2: My guess looking at his UH pitch percentage, the sweeper

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Speaker 2: is good. I mean he had a forty three percent

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Speaker 2: with raid on it last year and he threw a

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Speaker 2: forty percent of the time. That's that's gonna play, and

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Speaker 2: I would bet that he throws it even more. He

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Speaker 2: threw his four seamer almost as well. Actually threw a

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Speaker 2: thirty six percent of the time last year. And of

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Speaker 2: those home runs that you said in the in the

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Speaker 2: last two years, he's given up thirteen excuse me, he's

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Speaker 2: given up math hang on fourteen. I was around fourteen

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Speaker 2: of those home runs I've come off that four steamer

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Speaker 2: last year he threw at thirty six percent. What would

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Speaker 2: you put the over under as by the end of

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Speaker 2: year one with the Astros, how often is he throwing

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Speaker 2: that four seamer?

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's a tough question because, like as a pitcher,

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Speaker 1: you can't just abandon your fastball, and it's sure you can.

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Speaker 2: He's got a sinker and a cutter throw those instead.

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Speaker 2: What do you what do you put is over under at.

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Speaker 1: I'd probably put it at about thirty and i'd.

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Speaker 2: Probably I would have taken under fifteen. Really, he's not

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Speaker 2: thrown that pitch for the astros.

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Speaker 1: Well, because we had this same thought with Kakuchi. When

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Speaker 1: Kakuchi came over, they were like, oh, like that, because

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Speaker 1: you had heard at the beginning was on it. Throw

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Speaker 1: the change up more, ditch, ditch the curveball, throw another

480
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Speaker 1: variation of the slider, and originally you had heard that.

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Speaker 1: They had told him let the fastball, just throw it,

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Speaker 1: but don't throw it near as much. And by the

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Speaker 1: end like they told him to elevate it a little bit.

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Speaker 1: And the way he was throwing his slider really helped

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Speaker 1: the fastball and the change up. So I wonder if

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Speaker 1: they're going to work with some of his other pitches,

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Speaker 1: does a change up usage increase because we saw that

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Speaker 1: last year. I mean, they increased everyone's change up usage

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Speaker 1: last year on staff and it really worked out well. Traditionally,

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Speaker 1: this is not a team that is huge with sinkers,

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Speaker 1: but last year Hunter Brown started throwing a sinker and

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Speaker 1: became the best pitcher in baseball for five months. So

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Speaker 1: every pitcher's different. I couldn't tell. I've never seen Hayden

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Speaker 1: w Wassnisky pitch in person, and if I have, I

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Speaker 1: certainly don't remember it, So I can't tell you like

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Speaker 1: specifically what they're going to do. But Tyler, you look

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Speaker 1: at the underlying stuff and you look at it and

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Speaker 1: you start to convince yourself, like, man, if he gets

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Speaker 1: a full spring training with the astros, if they really

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Speaker 1: know what they see in him and can get it

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Speaker 1: down like this could be a valuable like back end

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Speaker 1: of the rotation guy. Or to make this all circle back,

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Speaker 1: is he the next Brad Peacock? Mm?

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Speaker 2: He wishes you want to see what's in my backpack

505
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Speaker 2: at all times?

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Speaker 1: Oh man, this is true. This is why. This is

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Speaker 1: why we got on YouTube.

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Speaker 2: This is why we're on YouTube.

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Speaker 1: No.

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Speaker 2: So, a couple of years ago, I hiked a fourteen

511
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Speaker 2: or in Colorado Mount Yale, and I took this bad

512
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Speaker 2: boy in my uh my backpack with me. It stays

513
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Speaker 2: on me, baby staff Ace Brad Peacock at all times,

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Speaker 2: it's in my backpack. There you go.

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Speaker 1: I'll never I'll never compare anyone to Brad Peacock again.

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Speaker 2: Please don't he's uncomparable. Uh That sweeper is good, man.

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Speaker 1: You should.

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Speaker 2: You should see some of his highlights on on YouTube

519
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 2: where we are right now. That's funny that they let

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Speaker 2: us be on the same internet as like baseball highlights.

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Speaker 2: You should stop actually stop watching this and go, uh

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Speaker 2: watch that, and said, the sweeper is really good. The

523
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:12,199
Speaker 2: for seamer is bad. He's not throwing that for the Astros.

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Speaker 2: There's no way that he throws that for the Astros.

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Speaker 2: They're gonna do the mccolors thing, where it's just you

526
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Speaker 2: throw the sweeper that goes crazy to the left handed

527
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Speaker 2: side of the batter's box, and you throw the sinker

528
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,359
Speaker 2: that cuts in on the right handed side and just

529
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Speaker 2: make them guess and see what happens.

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Speaker 1: Old people call that the mccolors. The youth of today

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Speaker 1: called that the hunter brown because that's.

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Speaker 2: Well, m colors had the the more horizontal sweeper.

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Speaker 1: E one. Look, I do wonder too. You know, you

534
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Speaker 1: look at a little bit of Wiznsky's like heat maps.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't elevate the fastball at all. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if he doesn't know how. I'm sure he knows how,

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Speaker 1: but I don't know if that was something that the

538
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Speaker 1: color ask him that that'll be that'll be how I

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Speaker 1: lead off.

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Speaker 2: Hey, has anyone hasn't ever told you to throw your

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Speaker 2: fastball higher?

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Speaker 1: I wonder if they? And then look, this is what

543
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 1: spring training's for too, So we're gonna get to spring training,

544
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Speaker 1: and they please don't lose your mind if Hayden was

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Speaker 1: an Esky gets lit up his first couple of spring

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Speaker 1: training outings because they're gonna be trying a lot of

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Speaker 1: different things with him. Like they may tell him going

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Speaker 1: into one outing, hey, elevate the fastball, and they may

549
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 1: say the next sounding, all right, don't throw the fastball

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Speaker 1: at all, and so like that's why you never put

551
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Speaker 1: too much into spring training outings. But I think spring

552
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:30,679
Speaker 1: training will be pretty crucial for Hayden was Nsky, just

553
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Speaker 1: to see. You know, they've already said they want to

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00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,399
Speaker 1: give him a chance in the rotation. And if you

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Speaker 1: made me guess today, I'd probably say he opens a

556
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Speaker 1: season in the Astros rotation because, uh, listening to Dana Brown.

557
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,639
Speaker 1: Listen listening to Dana Brown at the winter meetings, it

558
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 1: doesn't sound like Luis Garcia will be ready for opening day.

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Speaker 1: They say, they say maybe a little bit after opening day.

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm gonna stop guessing on Lance mccullors junior at

561
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Speaker 1: this point. And then you know, obviously Christian Hobbier is

562
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 1: a long way off, so kind of starts to look

563
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Speaker 1: and by process of elimination, they got to put somebody

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Speaker 1: in there, and I'd be I'd be surprised, honestly if

565
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Speaker 1: Hayden was Ansky does not open this season in the

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Speaker 1: Asher's rotation.

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Speaker 2: Oh, you're right. This is Brad Peacock.

568
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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 2: He was like the fourth starter for that twenty seventeen team,

570
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Speaker 2: but he was the only one that pitched every game.

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Speaker 1: He ruled.

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Speaker 2: Man, I love watching him pitch so much. And he

573
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,400
Speaker 2: had the same thing he had, the just sweeper sinker thing.

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Speaker 2: You're right, this is this is it. We're coming back.

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Speaker 1: Do you want another trivia question that no one ever

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Speaker 1: wants to hear? Okay, who led the ashers and who

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Speaker 1: led the twenty seventeen Ashers in innings pitch?

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Speaker 2: Do you think that I don't know this?

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Speaker 1: How dare you?

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Speaker 2: Of course I know this, That's why I said it

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Speaker 2: the whole year. If you search my Twitter, I bet

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Speaker 2: I have eighty five tweets that say staff Ace Brad

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Speaker 2: Peacock in them from that year.

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Speaker 1: Wait, you don't know who led the twenty seven eighteen

585
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Speaker 1: Ashers in innings pitch? Do you?

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Speaker 2: Was it not Peacock? I know it wasn't because he

587
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 2: was hurt mostly year.

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00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 1: Oh it was.

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00:28:58,320 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 2: It was fire.

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Speaker 1: It was Mike fire.

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00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's fires in Peacock. They held it down the

592
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Speaker 2: whole year. No hitter.

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Speaker 1: I was too, I was covered. I was covering the Dodgers.

594
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 1: I was an MLB dot com intern. I was an

595
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Speaker 1: MLB dot com intern covering the Dodgers on the day

596
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Speaker 1: that fires no hit them. I'll never forget. The Dodgers

597
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 1: had just signed Chase Utley and it was Chase Utley's

598
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Speaker 1: first game with the Dodgers, and I remember having to

599
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 1: do all that before the game, like I'm like some

600
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Speaker 1: twenty one year old that doesn't know what I'm doing,

601
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 1: and like I'm trying to run into Chase Utley's scrum

602
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 1: and he looks like he's sixty five, but he's somehow

603
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Speaker 1: running him out there to play the middle infield.

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Speaker 2: And he did look that old that whole time. That's

605
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Speaker 2: not your fault.

606
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Speaker 1: And then the Dodgers had The Dodgers had Kershaw and

607
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 1: Granky lined up the next two days to pitch, and

608
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 1: like the Astros, they were like die. They were in

609
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Speaker 1: a tough playoff battle. They were in a tough division battle,

610
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Speaker 1: and everyone was like, Oh, this is when it's gonna end,

611
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 1: like Kershaw. This was prime Kershaw, prime Grinky. And then

612
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 1: they had to throw Fires in the first game, and

613
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 1: everybody's like, oh, this is not going to go well.

614
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 1: And then Mike Fires goes out there and throws a

615
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Speaker 1: no hitter baseball.

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Speaker 2: It'll his most impactful thing that he ever did for

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Speaker 2: the Astros.

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Speaker 1: On the field chair. We're going to stop talking now

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Speaker 1: because a lot of you are probably throwing things against

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Speaker 1: your wall. If you tuned in this long, we appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: We promise there will be less Mike Fires talk in

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Speaker 1: the ensuing podcast. We hope that. We hope you enjoyed

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Speaker 1: the talk of Kyle Tucker's the fruits that Kyle Tucker

624
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Speaker 1: brought to the Ashers, and Cam Smith esak Paratus and

625
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Speaker 1: Hayden was Nesky. Well, we're still trying to figure out

626
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Speaker 1: kind of how they'll fit into the twenty twenty five

627
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty six Astros, but we'll be there. We'll be

628
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Speaker 1: watching along and seeing how they ingratiate themselves and kind

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Speaker 1: of where this thing goes from here. So keep it

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Speaker 1: with Crush City Territory this whole season. Twice a week

631
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Speaker 1: in the offseason, three times a week when the season

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Speaker 1: rolls around, will be talking about this and everything else.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for tuning in, guys right