Speaker 1: Mother Knows Dad starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk Hi. Everyone,
Speaker 1: Welcome to Mother Knows Death. On today's episode, we are
Speaker 1: going to talk about some devastating news Maria got this
Speaker 1: weekend of a drummer from The Devilwaar's Prada, one of
Speaker 1: her old time favorite bands, died in a plane crash.
Speaker 1: We're also going to get into some real life final
Speaker 1: destination stories. A viral video of a dump truck driving
Speaker 1: full speed through a residential neighborhood after the driver suffered
Speaker 1: a medical emergency, a dead woman who was missing her heart,
Speaker 1: a mom who went against medical advice and is now
Speaker 1: facing charges. Weird infections you could pick up on vacation,
Speaker 1: multiple cases of sperm donation leading to cancer, and a
Speaker 1: mom who has started to go fundme so she can
Speaker 1: cryogenically preserve her dead son. All that and more on
Speaker 1: today's episode, Why don't we get started with the sad,
Speaker 1: sad news you received this weekend?
Speaker 2: Well, to quote my husband, it's not a good year
Speaker 2: for drummers. Re reloved growing up because we had the
Speaker 2: guy from my chemical romance that died in that horrific
Speaker 2: how did he die again?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 2: Anyway?
Speaker 1: It was tragic with his pets eating him. And now, oh,
Speaker 1: I don't remember exactly how he died, but yeah, his
Speaker 1: pets ate him after he died. Yeah, and now we
Speaker 1: have my favorite band after my chemical romance when I
Speaker 1: transitioned to my metal phase was the devilwaar Shprada. And
Speaker 1: now that drummer has died in a plane crash over
Speaker 1: the weekend. Who names these bands? This is so corny
Speaker 1: like their metal, like my definition of metal, and maybe
Speaker 1: your generation's definition of metal is a little bit different.
Speaker 1: I think this is just corny.
Speaker 2: Tically, they fall they fall under this really niche category
Speaker 2: called crab core.
Speaker 1: But I'm not a part of it.
Speaker 2: I'm not possibly explaining this to you. It's way too evolved.
Speaker 2: But this is what happened. So Daniel Williams, he was
Speaker 2: the drummer from the Doubles product. Oh my god, you
Speaker 2: actually took me to I feel like a guitar center
Speaker 2: in like King of Prussia to meet him when I
Speaker 2: was I think fourteen.
Speaker 1: I possibly have a thought it out. I possibly have
Speaker 1: a photo of him.
Speaker 2: And I lay around somewhere, So I'm gonna look for
Speaker 2: that after and put it in our broadcast channel if
Speaker 2: I could find.
Speaker 1: It on Instagram. But Daniel Williams and a music agent,
Speaker 1: Dave Shapiro, they were flying in a private plane with
Speaker 1: some others when it crashed, killing all six on board.
Speaker 1: It seems like the flight was overnight, coming from the
Speaker 1: East Coast going to the West coast, and according to
Speaker 1: New York Post, they were attempting to land the plane
Speaker 1: at San Diego's Montgomery Gibbs Executive Airport, but the airport
Speaker 1: ended up having this power surge which knocks knocked out
Speaker 1: the weather alert system and the runway lights. So as
Speaker 1: they're preparing.
Speaker 2: To land, I think there was really dense fog and
Speaker 2: they weren't able to see as well, and with the
Speaker 2: lights not being there, they weren't able to really get
Speaker 2: a good feel for where the plane was landing, and
Speaker 2: they got caught up in a power line and crashed
Speaker 2: into a neighborhood.
Speaker 1: Oh god, So well, at least no one got hurt
Speaker 1: because on the ground at least, yeah, because I well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean on the ground, because that's that's the worst.
Speaker 1: When it's like some people that are completely uninvolved. And
Speaker 1: that's kind of Ever since that one happened so close
Speaker 1: to us in Philly a few months back. I feel
Speaker 1: like that's like a new fear of mine I have,
Speaker 1: is just things falling out of the sky like that. Right,
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, totally. It's so scary, and you see all
Speaker 1: the cars on the street that are just burned up,
Speaker 1: and I mean luckily just people weren't outside. And we
Speaker 1: have other stories like that this week, two of just people,
Speaker 1: just good situations where people aren't hurt when they really
Speaker 1: could really really be devastating.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it sucks because you you know, I
Speaker 2: feel like this always tends to happen with these smaller planes.
Speaker 2: I mean, we talked about what happened with JFK Junior
Speaker 2: and everything in the weather. Visibility is definitely a problem,
Speaker 2: but you know, it seemed like the flight went pretty
Speaker 2: good overall. And then just because of this freak power surgeon,
Speaker 2: a combination of a couple of things, this just freak
Speaker 2: accident occurred and it's just sad for all of their
Speaker 2: families and everyone involved.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is all right.
Speaker 2: So let's get into this Australian actress. Her name's Claire McMahon.
Speaker 2: So she was on the show called Blog Party and
Speaker 2: Club Life. But she's trying to raise about two hundred
Speaker 2: thousand dollars to cryogenically preserve her thirteen year old son
Speaker 2: after he died by suicide on Friday. Yeah, this is
Speaker 2: a really sad story, and you could imagine that any
Speaker 2: mother would just be desperate to get her child back
Speaker 2: in any way possible, and this is what she's determined
Speaker 2: is going to do that for her. So cryogenics is
Speaker 2: a thing that they take your dead body and within
Speaker 2: a week after death, they freeze your body in the
Speaker 2: hopes that maybe at some point in the future they'll
Speaker 2: be able to reanimate your body when there's new technology available.
Speaker 2: We talked about this a lot in the gross room
Speaker 2: because who is the most famous person you always hear
Speaker 2: about being cryogenically frozen? Walt Disney, Yes, Walt Disney.
Speaker 1: So we did Walt Disney's Celebrity death dis section years
Speaker 1: ago and just kind of did a whole section on that,
Speaker 1: and I looked into it a little bit. And so
Speaker 1: there is a whole entire movement of this, obviously, and
Speaker 1: it's called cryonics dot org. You could become a member
Speaker 1: for over one thousand dollars and then they will cryogenically
Speaker 1: preserve your body for thirty thousand dollars and it has
Speaker 1: to stay in storage for however long if and when
Speaker 1: they ever come up with the technology to reanimate the body, right,
Speaker 1: which I'm not sure. I don't want to say I
Speaker 1: don't see that happening, because anything's possible, right, But there's
Speaker 1: less than two hundred people who are currently signed up
Speaker 1: to do this, and it's not true with Disney. I
Speaker 1: think his daughter has said, no, he's not beneath the
Speaker 1: Pirates of Caribbean ride. The other thing. When I was
Speaker 1: a kid, it was like, oh, his head's frozen in
Speaker 1: Cinderella's castle. So it's like it's really it's really uh
Speaker 1: changed a lot. But I mean, his daughter says it's
Speaker 1: not true or whatever. But now getting back to this,
Speaker 1: this mom obviously her kid was only thirteen years old
Speaker 1: and he killed himself because he was getting bullied really
Speaker 1: bad at school apparently, And she says that she has
Speaker 1: so many documentations of it. She has medical reports, psychologists reports,
Speaker 1: formal PTSD diagnosis emails, all that she was raising the
Speaker 1: alarm at the school and nothing was done, and she feels,
Speaker 1: like any parent would, it's probably the worst thing that
Speaker 1: could happen, like I say this all the time, losing
Speaker 1: a child like that and in this way, feeling that
Speaker 1: there might have been something that could have been done
Speaker 1: to prevent it. I understand why she just is going
Speaker 1: to this extreme of wanting to do this.
Speaker 2: No, I definitely do too. I mean, I think also
Speaker 2: because she's saying there's a time limit on this. His
Speaker 2: body has to be frozen within a certain time period
Speaker 2: a couple of days after death too. And I think,
Speaker 2: when you go through something so traumatic like that, if
Speaker 2: this is really what he wanted, she said they had
Speaker 2: discussed it when he was a pretty little kid, and
Speaker 2: he like I think she said, about six or seven
Speaker 2: years ago, we started talking about afterlife in heaven and
Speaker 2: I talked to him about cryogenics and he told me
Speaker 2: he would like that, which that's a really interesting conversation
Speaker 2: have with a six or seven year old. But I
Speaker 2: think if she had that in her mind and just
Speaker 2: having the tragic event occur, obviously she wants to try
Speaker 2: to honor his wishes in some type of way.
Speaker 1: So I understand. Yeah, I mean, I personally wouldn't do
Speaker 1: something like that, just because I don't. I think it's
Speaker 1: kind of quackery at this point, and so I just
Speaker 1: feel like I'm a very strong person that's like you're
Speaker 1: here for your time and when you're done, you're done.
Speaker 1: Like that's it. We shouldn't get into that. But I'm
Speaker 1: sure I don't know if I'll see that, if we'll
Speaker 1: see that in our lifetime, but that will definitely be
Speaker 1: in the future of medicine for sure. Let's talk about So.
Speaker 1: I saw this post on x and Instagram, all these
Speaker 1: posts showing this story, and I had to look it
Speaker 1: up because it almost sounds like one of these fake
Speaker 1: stories that people makes up and it's actually true.
Speaker 2: Well, I thought it was fake at first too, because,
Speaker 2: like you, I saw it on social media first, and
Speaker 2: it didn't come out in the news for a couple
Speaker 2: of days, like it was a while, so I assumed
Speaker 2: it was something made up. But in Argentina, forty people
Speaker 2: were in this movie theater watching the newest Final Destination
Speaker 2: movie and suddenly the ceiling collapsed on all of them,
Speaker 2: like something straight out of the movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it just you can't. You couldn't even
Speaker 1: write this or make this up. That's why I kept
Speaker 1: seeing these memes and stuff that was like, oh, theater
Speaker 1: collapse when people were viewing Final Destination movie. It's just
Speaker 1: it's just so crazy that that would happen. They think
Speaker 1: that it happened because of heavy rainfall, but I mean,
Speaker 1: the people are watching this movie and it's very loud
Speaker 1: and animated, and at first they thought that the noise
Speaker 1: was coming from part of the movie. They thought it
Speaker 1: was part of the show, and then they started feeling
Speaker 1: debris falling on them. One of the people seemed to
Speaker 1: get pretty hurt. But it doesn't seem like anybody died
Speaker 1: from it, because that could definitely cause some severe blunt
Speaker 1: trauma and kill people depending on how heavy the debris is,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I was thinking, like, they're really messed up.
Speaker 2: Part of this angle is I wonder if the film
Speaker 2: production was like, this is advertisement you can't possibly pay for,
Speaker 2: because any thrill seeker is now like, well the potential
Speaker 2: of this, maybe they're gonna look for something like this
Speaker 2: to happen.
Speaker 1: But maybe they were responsible. They like some helicopter go
Speaker 1: by and drop like a shit ton of water on
Speaker 1: the roof or something, just to get the publicity.
Speaker 2: It seems like some general building maintenance issues, but it
Speaker 2: is I'm always a conspiracy theorist. Yeah, I just I
Speaker 2: was sitting there wondering, like the studios either freaking out
Speaker 2: or thinking like this is the best.
Speaker 1: They think this is awes they think this is awesome. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, so this is another final destination type of story. Again,
Speaker 1: you just like when we tell you the story, you
Speaker 1: just can't even believe that that something like this would happen,
Speaker 1: And like, what is this is when you start talking
Speaker 1: about religion and stuff and you're just like, how like,
Speaker 1: how do you find any kind of piece when something
Speaker 1: like this happens. No, this woman was driving home at
Speaker 1: two o'clock in the morning. She ended up veering off
Speaker 1: the road and flipping her car into a culvert and
Speaker 1: ended up dying. So then the fiance gets a call
Speaker 1: that she's been in this veale crash, and he of
Speaker 1: course starts rushing to this scene and he then lose
Speaker 1: his control of his car and then dies. So two
Speaker 1: separate accidents. Yeah, and they're engaged, should be married in February.
Speaker 1: And on top of that, they have a four year old,
Speaker 1: so both of the parents of this kid are dead.
Speaker 1: And it's just like you hear of this from time
Speaker 1: to time. I do think we had a similar story
Speaker 1: to this, right with it with an elderly husband and
Speaker 1: wife a couple of months. Yeah, there was like a
Speaker 1: fishing accident. Yeah that they both ended up dying in
Speaker 1: the same day. But I mean to think about how
Speaker 1: I know that people die frequently in motor vehicle accidents,
Speaker 1: but at the same time, it's not frequent compared to
Speaker 1: how many times people get in a car and drive
Speaker 1: every day. And just to think that these two people
Speaker 1: that are engaged to each other, it happened to them
Speaker 1: on the same day and you could see I mean,
Speaker 1: I guess you could see it with the guy because
Speaker 1: obviously he was got a call, woke up out of
Speaker 1: his dead sleep, and is driving in a panic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like you're in distress. I totally understand why, like
Speaker 2: part two of this happened, because you're it's like you're saying,
Speaker 2: middle of the night, you're in distress. You probably shouldn't
Speaker 2: be driving when you just found out that your fiance
Speaker 2: has been killed. I mean, but what are you gonna
Speaker 2: do if you're trying to rush and nobody else is
Speaker 2: around to help you.
Speaker 1: So one part of this story, though, that I would
Speaker 1: like to mention is both of these people were not
Speaker 1: wearing seat belts, yeah, which is critical, it is. And
Speaker 1: my first thought is like, like, how could you even
Speaker 1: get away with that? Because that noise would drive me
Speaker 1: freaking crazy. I mean, mine doesn't even turn off after
Speaker 1: a time. It's it's so annoying. And unless you pull
Speaker 1: a pop up and you buckle it and then sit
Speaker 1: on top of it, yeah, my dad does that. Actually,
Speaker 1: I'm telling you this right now. This is a true story.
Speaker 1: He buckles the seatbelt of his car and then sits
Speaker 1: on top of it. Like what a crazy person. It
Speaker 1: has to be so uncomfortable. The only thing I could
Speaker 1: think with like old people is that they didn't have
Speaker 1: seat belts and cars for a long time when they
Speaker 1: were driving, and maybe they just got used to it
Speaker 1: and the feeling of it is so annoying. But for us,
Speaker 1: it's like it's always been a thing. So maybe that's
Speaker 1: why it doesn't bother us because it's just always a thing.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but so I look back and she
Speaker 1: was driving a twenty thirteen Toyota Highlander and he was
Speaker 1: also driving a twenty and sixteen Chevy Camaro. So maybe
Speaker 1: because they're a little bit older car, they're not that old,
Speaker 1: but maybe maybe they the alarm wasn't as annoying or whatever,
Speaker 1: or maybe they buckled it and sat on top of it.
Speaker 1: I don't know. But according to the National Highway Traffic
Speaker 1: Safety Administration, they believe that ninety one point two percent
Speaker 1: of the population wear seat belts, which is a pretty
Speaker 1: good compliance if that's true, and they think that it
Speaker 1: saved fifteen thousand lives a year wearing seat belts, And
Speaker 1: it's possible even some accidents are just so bad, like
Speaker 1: you're not surviving it no matter what. But especially I
Speaker 1: believe the guy who was driving, he was ejected, and
Speaker 1: when you're injected, like forget it, that's just lessening your tail.
Speaker 1: It's a survival ever, right, so if he was wearing
Speaker 1: a seatbelt, he could have possibly survived. There's other times too,
Speaker 1: like I don't want to just be this seat belt
Speaker 1: pro seatbelt person, because there's definitely times that seat belts
Speaker 1: injure people. They could cause internal injuries, hemorrhage. And remember
Speaker 1: we were talking, we were doing that interview about people
Speaker 1: that were driving over the road and going into the
Speaker 1: water with their car, and this happened. It happens sometimes
Speaker 1: that people drive over a bridge or something and they
Speaker 1: go into the water in their car and they're stuck
Speaker 1: because of their seat belt, and they sell tools that
Speaker 1: are seatbelt cutters that could cut the seatbelt that they
Speaker 1: recommend that you keep in your car in case there's
Speaker 1: a time that you have to take off your seat
Speaker 1: belt because you think, oh, I'll just reach over and
Speaker 1: hit the button. But the problem is is when your
Speaker 1: car is dented up, bent and you're you're in a
Speaker 1: situation where maybe the center or console is like pushing
Speaker 1: in on it and you're not able to access the
Speaker 1: release button, there's really no way to get it off.
Speaker 1: And if you're underwater, especially like that would kill you,
Speaker 1: and not wearing a seat belt in that situation might
Speaker 1: help you. But for the most part, I think that
Speaker 1: most people would say that seatbelts are better than not
Speaker 1: wearing them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I really encourage everybody to check out this external
Speaker 2: exam we did with Doug Bishop, because he really goes
Speaker 2: over everything that could possibly go wrong if a car
Speaker 2: enters water and really great tips on how to get
Speaker 2: out if you're in that situation, because obviously, I think
Speaker 2: when it happens to most people, it's very sudden and
Speaker 2: then they're in panic mode and they're in shock and
Speaker 2: they don't know what to do. But that episode was
Speaker 2: incredibly helpful. He also sells that.
Speaker 1: Toll hell yeah, which is which we immediately after he
Speaker 1: scared us enough to make us want to have that
Speaker 1: thing in our car.
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely. Remember when we were on that trip in Florida,
Speaker 2: pop Up wasn't buckling the seatbelt, but he's like kind
Speaker 2: of borderline deaf, so the beep kept going off and
Speaker 2: he just kept being like, what's that noise? And then
Speaker 2: Mama finally freaked out, was like, fuckle your fucking seatbelt.
Speaker 1: I I don't care. I always yell at him because
Speaker 1: I don't want to be in a car with somebody
Speaker 1: that's not wearing a seatbelt because I know they become
Speaker 1: a projectile within the car and they're gonna hurt me
Speaker 1: if there's an accident. So I'm just like, very I
Speaker 1: don't want too many kids or anything in my car
Speaker 1: that aren't in a belt, like, and I don't want him.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I always mess with them all. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't want your biggest body like bouncing around inside
Speaker 1: his car and like you're gonna kill me if you
Speaker 1: hit me in an accident. That trip was the first
Speaker 1: time I ever heard her curse in front of me.
Speaker 1: I was, but now it happens all the time. It's
Speaker 1: just like, well now.
Speaker 2: Because we just make fun of everybody all the time,
Speaker 2: it just slips so to the while.
Speaker 1: All right, So this this next case is another is
Speaker 1: another crazy case near us there was this dump truck
Speaker 1: driving right. It was just normal guy driving some cement
Speaker 1: around or something, and like a seventy three thousand pound
Speaker 1: dump truck and all of a sudden he had a
Speaker 1: seizure and started driving anywhere from forty to fifty miles
Speaker 1: an hour through a neighborhood, like cutting across lawns, hitting
Speaker 1: telephone poles, and ended up plowing into a house so
Speaker 1: hard that part of the house collapse. Part of the
Speaker 1: truck was in the basement. And it was so scary
Speaker 1: because the company had released the dashboard cam of it
Speaker 1: happening and it is so scary looking and you're like,
Speaker 1: thank god this happened at one point thirty in the afternoon,
Speaker 1: during the time where most kids are at school, because
Speaker 1: it just drove through front lawns like it just could
Speaker 1: have been really really bad.
Speaker 2: No It's good in the sense of nobody was like outside,
Speaker 2: but the homeowner was in the house when it happened.
Speaker 2: I know both people were able to get out safe.
Speaker 1: I can't believe that. Well, it's because of all those
Speaker 1: amazing fire departments that responded. It's scary though, because I
Speaker 1: guess the guy the guy's neighbor heard him screaming in
Speaker 1: the house and they knew that the gas line was
Speaker 1: broke because they could smell the gas. Like that's so scary. Oh,
Speaker 1: and he was trying to get him out. And so
Speaker 1: it ended up that the driver had what's called a
Speaker 1: ton of klons medical seizure, which is what you think
Speaker 1: of when you think of a person having a seizure,
Speaker 1: and it's in two phases, Like first the person is
Speaker 1: going to start having like they might make a noise
Speaker 1: or yell or something, and then their muscles suddenly get
Speaker 1: stiff and cause them to fall down and lose consciousness,
Speaker 1: which is terrible to happen if you're driving right. And
Speaker 1: then that lasts for a couple seconds, and then all
Speaker 1: of a sudden there starts having the seizure. What you
Speaker 1: think of a seizure is like rhythmic contractions, their arms
Speaker 1: and legs are jerking, and this was all happening when
Speaker 1: this guy was driving. Now, this type of seizure can
Speaker 1: be seen with people who have a history of epilepsy,
Speaker 1: which is why there's roles in most states for people
Speaker 1: who have epilepsy, Like you have to show that it's
Speaker 1: under control, and sometimes they don't let you get your
Speaker 1: license back for six months to a year after you
Speaker 1: have a seizure like this, Wow, for obvious reasons, because
Speaker 1: if this happens, you don't know what's gonna happen. It happens,
Speaker 1: and then you lose control of the car, and and
Speaker 1: that's scary because when you're looking at the video, it's
Speaker 1: either like that or it was like a terrorist attack,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like it's it because it
Speaker 1: looks so you wouldn't think that someone was accidentally driving
Speaker 1: that fast through a neighborhood like that on people's front
Speaker 1: lawns and stuff. So luckily, I mean, the guys got
Speaker 1: injured at the house, but he seems like he's going
Speaker 1: to be okay, and the driver seems like he's going
Speaker 1: to be okay, and just like this is another one
Speaker 1: of those situations where you're just like, thank god nobody
Speaker 1: got killed, because it could have been so much worse.
Speaker 1: Didn't somebody drive through a Target near us in a
Speaker 1: similar situation They had like a medical episode and drove
Speaker 1: right into like the Starbucks in the front. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: happened like a year or two ago, I think. But yeah,
Speaker 1: you're just like, oh, I mean, think about every time
Speaker 1: you go to Target, there's always lots of people there.
Speaker 1: There's people that are just walking out front from the
Speaker 1: parking lot with their kids, and this person just drove
Speaker 1: right into our target, like into the entrance where you
Speaker 1: go in. And again, I feel like it was really
Speaker 1: early in the morning that there wasn't that many people
Speaker 1: there yet, But like what if something like that happens
Speaker 1: on a Saturday or something when it's packed. It's just
Speaker 1: there's so many freak accidents like this that happened that
Speaker 1: you really think, like, wow, that's amazing that nothing worse
Speaker 1: came of it. Well.
Speaker 2: Also, like obviously in the dump truck case, the person
Speaker 2: was inside of their house and they couldn't have really
Speaker 2: done anything to escape the situation. But in parking lots
Speaker 2: in particular, I've just noticed that so many people are
Speaker 2: so zoned out on their phone, not paying attention with
Speaker 2: cars or backing up or driving, and it like eyes open.
Speaker 2: You know, it's like talking to a little kid when
Speaker 2: they're just learning how to walk by themselves in the
Speaker 2: parking lot. For the first time we're crossing the street,
Speaker 2: you're like, look both ways before we're crossing. I think
Speaker 2: we've totally lost that in society.
Speaker 1: I know. It's it's it is really frightening how checked
Speaker 1: out people are. It's that the traffic lights is all
Speaker 1: the time. You're just like, oh my god. But that's
Speaker 1: why they put those big but like target balls and
Speaker 1: like barrier you know, those big cements. It didn't work
Speaker 1: in this game. It's it. Well, that's that's another thing too,
Speaker 1: Like that our target had all that stuff out front
Speaker 1: and it didn't do anything. It might do something if
Speaker 1: you're going five miles an hour, but if you're pounding
Speaker 1: forty miles an hour down straight ahead, like it's not
Speaker 1: doing anything. Yeah, exactly. You know, speaking of that too,
Speaker 1: there was there was another situation that happened in the
Speaker 1: UK this weekend. Did you see that that a car
Speaker 1: drove through a crowd of people of the soccer parade? Yeah,
Speaker 1: and and that, like, I don't know what's up with that.
Speaker 1: I'm waiting to hear more because as of right now,
Speaker 1: they're like it's not a terrorist attack. But you're looking
Speaker 1: at it and you're just like, this guy is like
Speaker 1: intentionally driving through people when there was like a clear
Speaker 1: path to not hit people. I'm just like, I just don't.
Speaker 1: I don't believe anything anymore, honestly.
Speaker 2: But are they trying to act like it's like the
Speaker 2: incident with the Eagles parade where some girl just was
Speaker 2: trying to go around because they all those people were
Speaker 2: blocking Broad Street.
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't know. I think there's I don't
Speaker 1: know how the car ended up back there, but people
Speaker 1: were like antagonizing the guy and he was trying to
Speaker 1: get away apparently, and they thought that he panicked because
Speaker 1: he was scared for his life and just drove off.
Speaker 1: But when you look at some of the video, and
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe if you're in that situation that
Speaker 1: you're running from your life, you're not thinking about anything.
Speaker 1: But there's like clear areas that he could go where
Speaker 1: there's like not as many people, and it's just going
Speaker 1: right into the crowd of people. It doesn't seem like
Speaker 1: anyone has died from that yet, but just like I
Speaker 1: don't know, just like cars hitting people and these types
Speaker 1: of things are really scary, you know. Yeah, this episode
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Speaker 1: be calling doctor Dimitri to get some help with that.
Speaker 1: But also, yeah, we talk about a viral video that's
Speaker 1: been going around a guy that's called the Human Grasshopper,
Speaker 1: and we're all talking about different things that it might
Speaker 1: be just because it's so bizarre and obviously people think
Speaker 1: that it might be AI even but I don't think so.
Speaker 1: I think that it's real and we're trying to figure
Speaker 1: out what it is. So that's fun just because there's
Speaker 1: other medical professionals in there as well, and or just
Speaker 1: anybody think has theories and it's pretty cool. So check
Speaker 1: out the grocerroom. Yeah, head over to the grossroom dot
Speaker 1: com to sign it. Let's talk about this dead lady
Speaker 1: that's missing her heart. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So this couple was heading to Turkey on vacation and
Speaker 2: while on the flight, the wife said she started suddenly
Speaker 2: feeling really ill and thought it had been food poisoning,
Speaker 2: but then over the next day her symptoms kept getting
Speaker 2: worse and she suddenly died.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So once she landed, they said that she grew
Speaker 1: delirious and then she was hospitalized the next day and died.
Speaker 1: And initially the Turkish officials thought that the husband was
Speaker 1: responsible for this and they were suspecting him of poisoning her,
Speaker 1: but then they didn't really go into how she died
Speaker 1: or anything, and he was able to get her body
Speaker 1: flown back to the UK from Turkey. I don't know.
Speaker 1: They didn't mention in this article if she was embalmed,
Speaker 1: then I don't know what the rules are there as
Speaker 1: far as sending a body from Turkey to the UK,
Speaker 1: but the British. So she gets back to the UK
Speaker 1: and the British corner does it is examining her body
Speaker 1: to try to figure out what happened, and they tell
Speaker 1: the husband her heart is missing. So that's a little unusual.
Speaker 1: So they contacted the Turkey Ministry of Health and they
Speaker 1: said that they determined her cause of death was from
Speaker 1: cardiac arrest due to multiple organ failure, which is like okay,
Speaker 1: but like what caused that? Nothing? And they also said
Speaker 1: quote she did not undergo any surgical procedures during a
Speaker 1: preliminary autopsy, Like that doesn't even make any sense to me.
Speaker 1: So were they trying to say they didn't cut into
Speaker 1: her body, possibly because I would. I just wouldn't call
Speaker 1: something an autopsy. I would say it was like an
Speaker 1: external exam. I wouldn't refer to something as an autopsy
Speaker 1: unless somebody was actually cut into And if they're saying
Speaker 1: she didn't undergo any surgical procedures, like it is possible
Speaker 1: she didn't undergo surgery at the hospital prior to dying,
Speaker 1: but someone removed her heart. Now the first thing, as
Speaker 1: the corner, if I was doing the autopsy. What I
Speaker 1: would want to look at is I would just want
Speaker 1: to look at the way that the incision was done.
Speaker 1: Does it look like it was she was it was
Speaker 1: done before she died or after she died. You'll be
Speaker 1: able to tell that was it done with a scalpa blade?
Speaker 1: Like what's going on there? How was it removed? Because
Speaker 1: it's not like I could just make an incision, you know,
Speaker 1: right now on somebody's abdomen and pull out their spleen
Speaker 1: pretty easily with like a single incision and just stick
Speaker 1: my as long as it's wide enough for my hand
Speaker 1: to fit through, right. But the heart is a little
Speaker 1: bit more difficult to get to because it's underneath of
Speaker 1: the rib cage. You can get to it that way,
Speaker 1: I suppose, but you'd have to really like stick your
Speaker 1: whole arm up in there and get it out, and
Speaker 1: it wouldn't come out that clean, honestly, because I've had
Speaker 1: to do it like that a couple times without cracking
Speaker 1: the chest. But usually when we take out the heart,
Speaker 1: we removed the entire front of the rib cage. So
Speaker 1: I'm assuming that there's more extensive things than just her
Speaker 1: heart's missing and everything else is there in place like it,
Speaker 1: and that would require a pretty big incision to do that,
Speaker 1: and it would be a lot different looking than a
Speaker 1: surgical incision to access the heart. So I guess what
Speaker 1: are the options here.
Speaker 2: It's like option A was they did the autopsy and
Speaker 2: they took it out but didn't report it, or B
Speaker 2: somebody did it and took it out and stole it.
Speaker 1: Like I'm just confused. Well, it we could say for
Speaker 1: sure that it's missing, so it's somewhere. That's something we
Speaker 1: say for sure. So number one, I would say she
Speaker 1: had it. So sometimes when we do an autopsy, we
Speaker 1: keep some of the organs in jars because we want
Speaker 1: to be able to go back to it if we
Speaker 1: need to look at it again. Because once you take
Speaker 1: out someone's organs and then you send their body back
Speaker 1: to the funeral home, then you don't have access to
Speaker 1: their body or their organs anymore. And sometimes when you
Speaker 1: look at the microscope side, you won't get them back
Speaker 1: for a few days after the autopsy. You might see
Speaker 1: something and you're like, oh, no, I want to look
Speaker 1: at more of the heart because this looks a little suspicious,
Speaker 1: and I might be able to look at more of
Speaker 1: the organ to figure out exactly what happened. But if
Speaker 1: you don't have that tissue with you at the MORG,
Speaker 1: then you're kind of beat. So sometimes usually you don't
Speaker 1: keep a whole organ. Most of the time you have
Speaker 1: what's called a stock jar, and it's a jar that's
Speaker 1: just labeled with the patient's name, and it just has
Speaker 1: a piece of the liver, a piece of the lung,
Speaker 1: a piece of the heart. But there's times where you
Speaker 1: would keep the whole heart too, if it was some
Speaker 1: kind of anatomic weird thing or just there's all different
Speaker 1: reasons and people do all different kinds of things, So
Speaker 1: that's a possibility. The other possibility is like, I don't
Speaker 1: know what goes on in Turkey, Like I don't I
Speaker 1: don't even I don't know how medicine is practiced there
Speaker 1: or anything. But it's possible that they harvested her heart
Speaker 1: for some kind of transplant or something like that. I
Speaker 1: don't know what the permissions are that they need. I
Speaker 1: don't know about any of that, like a like a
Speaker 1: transplant organ. So there are the two things that I
Speaker 1: could think of would happen. But I mean, you can't
Speaker 1: argue with the corner in the UK. That's saying it's
Speaker 1: not there. So something happened. Now we let's talk about
Speaker 1: how she died anyway, because she's twenty eight, So you're
Speaker 1: just like, okay, she's young, and she shouldn't have died
Speaker 1: at twenty eight years old. But she did say that
Speaker 1: she thought she had food poisoning. So anytime you think
Speaker 1: you have food poisoning, why do you say that, because
Speaker 1: you're like either throwing up or shitting your brains out right,
Speaker 1: That's okay. So she clearly had some kind of infection
Speaker 1: or thought she had some kind of infection if she
Speaker 1: was having GI symptoms like that. And then the fact
Speaker 1: that they said the next day that she was getting
Speaker 1: like she was fatigue and she was what was the
Speaker 1: exact word they used, delirious. Yeah, that to me is
Speaker 1: like this person had a really bad fever. That's kind
Speaker 1: of a thing that you would see in that situation, right,
Speaker 1: So she could have just really been sick. Went to
Speaker 1: the hospital. Now, her husband saying that she's allergic to penicillin,
Speaker 1: and that sometimes is the first drug that they would
Speaker 1: give people in certain infections. So I don't know if
Speaker 1: they knew that they could have given her that it depends.
Speaker 1: You could have an allergy to penicillin where you get
Speaker 1: hives all the way till you get enophylactic shock and
Speaker 1: it could kill you. So like that could be a possibility.
Speaker 1: But they're saying that she had her she had cardiac
Speaker 1: arrest because she had multi system organ failure, and that's
Speaker 1: definitely something you could see with something like sepsis from
Speaker 1: a bacterial infection. So this is all possible that there's
Speaker 1: nothing really like nefarious going on here, but it is.
Speaker 1: It's weird, and this is one of the always the
Speaker 1: concerns you have when you travel to another country because
Speaker 1: they don't do things the way that you're used to,
Speaker 1: and then you start to get sus because of the
Speaker 1: way things are handled.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, especially if they're not like owning up to
Speaker 2: the paper trail of what happened in her heart, Like
Speaker 2: was it something non nefarious, like they took it out
Speaker 2: to do a transplant because that's normal over there, or
Speaker 2: like did somebody take it out on the sneak tip
Speaker 2: to try to like sell it or anything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like you just don't know, you just don't know anything.
Speaker 1: Or is it just simply sitting in the lab because
Speaker 1: because that's what you do.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: I'm not exactly sure like what that's about, but I
Speaker 1: mean I feel bad for the guy because it's already
Speaker 1: bad enough that you have to experience that on vacation
Speaker 1: with with your young wife dying like that tragically and
Speaker 1: then have to deal with that is you know, because
Speaker 1: you're like, well, what did they do to her body?
Speaker 1: That did that?
Speaker 2: I didn't agree to kind of you know, yeah, absolutely
Speaker 2: all right. So in Pennsylvania, this woman's eleven year old
Speaker 2: son fell off an ATV and was diagnosed with a
Speaker 2: brain bleed, but despite medical advice, she took the boy
Speaker 2: out of the hospital, removed his ivy and his neck brace,
Speaker 2: then dropped him off at school.
Speaker 1: So he was diagnosed with something called a retroclibal hematoma,
Speaker 1: which is a rare kind of brain bleed actually that
Speaker 1: happens in kids most commonly associated with motor vehicle accidents,
Speaker 1: especially when there's like a whiplash situation, like it's severe
Speaker 1: cervical flexion and extension injury, so your head's going forward
Speaker 1: really fast and back really fast in a short period
Speaker 1: of time, and the it causes this bleed that he had. Okay,
Speaker 1: so he's eleven years old. He goes to the hospital
Speaker 1: and so I'm not really sure exactly how this went down,
Speaker 1: but it seems like the doctors were like, we want
Speaker 1: to airlift him to Children's Hospital in Pittsburgh, and she said, no,
Speaker 1: I would rather drive him. Now, to me, that's it's
Speaker 1: suspicions suspicious right away, because I think any parent that
Speaker 1: has a kid that like needs some kind of care
Speaker 1: that they're saying, I mean, when they say they want
Speaker 1: to airlift your child somewhere, that's really bad, something really
Speaker 1: bad's happening right that you would decline that. I mean,
Speaker 1: the only situation I'm just trying to look at the
Speaker 1: other side of things, Like, the only situation I could
Speaker 1: say that she might refuse it is because she that
Speaker 1: could probably cost so much money and maybe she didn't
Speaker 1: have insurance or and she was like, no, I'll just
Speaker 1: drive home. I personally, this is my question, Like, I
Speaker 1: don't even understand how the hospital's legally allowed to let
Speaker 1: a kid leave in that situation. It's just a child,
Speaker 1: like an adult. Whatever you leave against medical advice, you
Speaker 1: should not be able to sign a child out against
Speaker 1: medical advice. And I'm actually curious about this because I
Speaker 1: just don't believe that this is that that is even possible.
Speaker 1: And I'm curious if the people working there might get
Speaker 1: in some kind of trouble for this too or something.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but anyway, Yeah, so they had an
Speaker 1: ib in him, a neck brace on him, and they
Speaker 1: were like, do not take this off until you get
Speaker 1: to the hospital and whatever. She just she really, like
Speaker 1: in the parking lot, like took it all off and
Speaker 1: sent him to school the next day. So the kids
Speaker 1: in school he has a traumatic brain injury, and he
Speaker 1: obviously has a headache and is vomiting and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: and the nurse realizes what's going on, and then he
Speaker 1: was airlifted to the children's hospital right from school.
Speaker 2: It's just so ridiculous. So she's facing charges of endangering
Speaker 2: the welfare of a child and reckless endangering of another person.
Speaker 2: I mean, I agree with you one hundred percent that like,
Speaker 2: if it's a miner and they're in such severe condition
Speaker 2: like that, they should not legally be allowed to be
Speaker 2: discharged from the hospital. But I guess, like, do you
Speaker 2: think she did it because of health insurance purposes or
Speaker 2: like she just truly I would give a shit I
Speaker 2: would say that, I would say that, but honestly, like
Speaker 2: her actions afterwards say to me, no, she just didn't
Speaker 2: think it was that big of a deal and blew
Speaker 2: them off, because if, like, if she was doing it
Speaker 2: for health insurance.
Speaker 1: Then I'm assuming she would have just put them in
Speaker 1: the car and brought them where they said to go. Like,
Speaker 1: why the doctors aren't exaggerating, they're telling you that he
Speaker 1: needs to be metavacted. I just think that if if
Speaker 1: the doctors determine a child needs to be METAVAC somewhere,
Speaker 1: that should just be like that's happening. Because while I'm.
Speaker 2: Saying she might not have had health insurance, and she's like,
Speaker 2: I don't I don't think it's that bad, so I
Speaker 2: don't want the bill. So that's why she didn't get
Speaker 2: the medicals.
Speaker 1: Listen, It's possible that she just was like, I don't
Speaker 1: think it that it's that bad. But guess what, Like,
Speaker 1: you're an idiot and you deserve to be arrested for that,
Speaker 1: because you can't just ignore doctor's advice like that, because
Speaker 1: they were right, yeah, obviously, you know, you can't just say, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think you're exaggerating, like and listen, like, I'm sure
Speaker 1: there's plenty of times that doctors recommend certain things and
Speaker 1: you could just be like, eh, I don't know if
Speaker 1: we need to go that route right now, Like let's
Speaker 1: just watch it on like minor issues for sure, you know,
Speaker 1: like oh, like Lilian needed blood work once and or
Speaker 1: she didn't need blood work. They were like, let's just
Speaker 1: do blood work, and I was kind of like, no,
Speaker 1: I think I think she's fine. Let's just keep an
Speaker 1: eye on it kind of, you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 1: I think there's because the trauma that would induce would
Speaker 1: be so much greater than what was needed at the time.
Speaker 1: Right But when they're telling you like your kid has
Speaker 1: like a potential deadly situation, then then I just don't
Speaker 1: I don't know how that works in the hospital. I'm
Speaker 1: sure one of you guys knowing you'll tell us. But yeah,
Speaker 1: so she's in trouble. Good because you really shouldn't be
Speaker 1: having a kid if you're not going to take care
Speaker 1: of them in that situation. I mean, and I don't
Speaker 1: know necessarily if it's an insurance situation, because why did
Speaker 1: she bring him to the hospital in the first place, then.
Speaker 2: I don't know, you know, like that's the only thing.
Speaker 2: I mean, clearly she's an abusive mother, so like the
Speaker 2: only thing I could think of was like she was like,
Speaker 2: I don't want to pay all these medical bills, so
Speaker 2: like your beat basically, yeah, but it still is a vake.
Speaker 1: It right, No, she sucks, all right, So let's talk
Speaker 1: about like weird things that you could pick up while
Speaker 1: you're on vacation. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So earlier this year, a family went to Costa Rica
Speaker 2: and explored some bat caves, but when they got home,
Speaker 2: they weren't feeling good, and it turns out they contracted
Speaker 2: some crazy fungal disease.
Speaker 1: All right, I don't like, listen, I'm all about like
Speaker 1: visiting certain places and stuff, but bat caves, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just I'm telling all you guys right now, like
Speaker 1: when there's environments where there's like birds and bats and
Speaker 1: their shit is everywhere, I don't care about, like if
Speaker 1: you're scared of them or whatever, like that their shit
Speaker 1: carries diseases.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't think a lot of people know this,
Speaker 2: so that's probably why this situation happened.
Speaker 1: So this is this is actually really interesting. So I
Speaker 1: guess it was a family of thirteen people but it
Speaker 1: ended up twelve of them got sick. But they visited
Speaker 1: Costa Rica, and they were from a couple of different states,
Speaker 1: including Georgia, Texas, and Washington. Right, So they all these
Speaker 1: and all of the people that started getting symptoms. They
Speaker 1: it started about eight to nineteen days after they were
Speaker 1: on this trip. And obviously they're families, so they're all talking,
Speaker 1: and they figured out pretty quickly that like it was
Speaker 1: something that happened when they were on this trip. So
Speaker 1: it was six adults and six kids. And the adults
Speaker 1: ages were forty two to forty nine years old and
Speaker 1: the kids were eight to sixteen. And the reason I
Speaker 1: say that is because it's likely that all of these
Speaker 1: people were considered to be healthy people. Right, So they
Speaker 1: all start exhibiting these symptoms and they go to the hospital.
Speaker 1: And the thing is is that sometimes when you have
Speaker 1: one of these weird things that you pick up in
Speaker 1: other countries, when you're in this country, it's more difficult
Speaker 1: for doctors to pick it up. So they all ended
Speaker 1: up getting diagnosed with this this weird fungus infection called histoplasmosis. Okay, now,
Speaker 1: this so this is most common in the United States
Speaker 1: and Mississippi and the Ohio River valleys. So if you
Speaker 1: went with these certain symptoms, respiratory symptoms, you went to
Speaker 1: the hospital in Mississippi, those doctors are gonna be more like, Okay,
Speaker 1: we were looking for this because this is around here
Speaker 1: all the time. But if you're in Georgia and Texas
Speaker 1: and Washington, they the doctors there wouldn't be looking for
Speaker 1: that because that's that's not that fungus isn't around there.
Speaker 1: It's not around those particular areas. It also is present
Speaker 1: in Africa, Asia, parts of Central and South America, and
Speaker 1: it's a fungus that it occurs in poop guano. I
Speaker 1: guess you would say, isn't that what isn't that what
Speaker 1: batpoop's called from? The Hell's that movie Pettitative? Yeah, so
Speaker 1: it's it's present in the poop of birds and bats,
Speaker 1: and that's how you get it. Now, Usually when people
Speaker 1: are exposed to this, they don't even Sometimes they don't
Speaker 1: get symptoms at all, and if they do, they're like
Speaker 1: mildly sick. Now, I'm thinking because they were in a
Speaker 1: back cave that had like extra iguano to the max,
Speaker 1: like they just had a lot of exposure to it
Speaker 1: at one time, and that's why they were even showing
Speaker 1: symptoms of it to begin with. But usually this particular
Speaker 1: organism is a problem for people who are immunosuppressed, and
Speaker 1: this could be people who have a history of cancer
Speaker 1: and are on certain kind of medications that suppress the
Speaker 1: immune system, or people with HIV or any kind of
Speaker 1: autoimmune disease things like that, So those people are more
Speaker 1: common to get sick with this and whatever. If you're
Speaker 1: if you're a healthy person, you could just you could
Speaker 1: just get treated and you'll be fine. But sometimes when
Speaker 1: these people weaken immune systems, it could disseminate or spread
Speaker 1: throughout your body and get under your skin and cause
Speaker 1: these crazy nodules called granulemas, which is your body's way
Speaker 1: of reacting to this foreign fungus in your body. And
Speaker 1: it looks absolutely insane. I've done it for a mystery
Speaker 1: diagnosis a couple of months ago. It's one of the
Speaker 1: more disturbing things that could happen to a human being, honestly,
Speaker 1: So these people are lucky that they were all fairly
Speaker 1: young and healthy and they were able to get it recognized, treated,
Speaker 1: and they're gonna be fine. It's interesting though. I think
Speaker 1: probably if one of them got diagnosed with it, that
Speaker 1: would have helped a whole lot of other doctors that
Speaker 1: were treating these people trying to figure out what was
Speaker 1: going on, because it might take a couple of days
Speaker 1: to diagnose something like this. Because I'm saying it's like
Speaker 1: unusual in these parts of the country. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about this in the next story too,
Speaker 1: but like, how do you know to even look for
Speaker 1: it if you don't really realize that's the thing. Well,
Speaker 1: it causes certain findings, for sure, But the thing is
Speaker 1: is that depending on what part of the country you're in,
Speaker 1: when a person comes in, you're gonna set the first thing.
Speaker 1: There's always a million possibilities of what a person can
Speaker 1: walk in with, but you're always thinking, like what are
Speaker 1: the most common things? Think about that with Gene Hackman's
Speaker 1: wife and the haunt of virus, Like she was living
Speaker 1: in an area that people get haunt of virus, But
Speaker 1: at the same time, like what was it like five
Speaker 1: people a year get it or something crazy, like a
Speaker 1: very small amount of people get it a year. So
Speaker 1: but in that area, if you showed up with certain
Speaker 1: symptoms they might say, oh, maybe this is this because
Speaker 1: you know, they get this is why they ask you
Speaker 1: some information when you go to the hospital, the biggest
Speaker 1: one being have you traveled recently? Because that keys them
Speaker 1: in to know where you've been lately. And if they
Speaker 1: say to someone like Gene Hackman's life, like if she's like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: we have a lot of rodents on the property, they
Speaker 1: would be like, Okay, well that virus verdence. Let's work
Speaker 1: her up for this. But like if that happened in
Speaker 1: New Jersey, nobody would be thinking about that because that
Speaker 1: doesn't happen around here. So it's not that it can't.
Speaker 1: It's not that I can't go to New Mexico on
Speaker 1: vacation and then come home and have it. It's just less.
Speaker 1: It's not on the doctor's first on their mind at first,
Speaker 1: compared to other things that can present in the same way. Yeah, totally.
Speaker 2: All right, this one, this story is right up your alley. Yeah, Well,
Speaker 2: we've had so many IVF stories lately, I guess. I
Speaker 2: mean it's been around for decades, but just lately there's
Speaker 2: just been so many stories of errors or like weird
Speaker 2: things that have happened. But in this case, these two
Speaker 2: families had reached out to their clinic letting them know
Speaker 2: that their child developed cancer linked to a rare genetic mutation.
Speaker 2: So of course the clinic starts investigating exactly what happened,
Speaker 2: and they see these kids have the same sperm donor,
Speaker 2: so they start looking into other families that use this
Speaker 2: sperm donor, which, by the way, sixty seven children were
Speaker 2: conceived by the same sperm donor, and they found out
Speaker 2: that twenty three of the kids had the gene which
Speaker 2: is called TP fifty three, and ten of those kids
Speaker 2: have already been diagnosed with cancers like leukemia, not Hodgkins,
Speaker 2: lymphoma and other ones. Wow, this is this is a lot,
Speaker 2: so let's start. Let's back up with the kids.
Speaker 1: So the kids, these people either had IV effort, they
Speaker 1: could have had IUI too, right, like yeah, whatever, they
Speaker 1: have a baby with a sperm donor, and so they go.
Speaker 1: The kid gets diagnosed with cancer and at the hospital
Speaker 1: in the lab, they'll tect the check the cancer to
Speaker 1: see if the patient has any kind of genetic mutations,
Speaker 1: and that's how they figured this out. So when you
Speaker 1: find out that you have a genetic mutation under traditional circumstances,
Speaker 1: you would say, Okay, well it's the husband or wife,
Speaker 1: but when it's coming from a donor, you have to
Speaker 1: go to them. And that's exactly they did the right thing,
Speaker 1: and they went to the sperm bank to say, this
Speaker 1: is what happened. And it is crazy to think that
Speaker 1: because we'll get into this a little bit later at
Speaker 1: the end of the story, that sperm is being used
Speaker 1: for sixty sixty seven times for sixty seven different babies.
Speaker 1: It does bring up a lot of questions because no
Speaker 1: normal person has anywhere near that many babies, right, So
Speaker 1: aside from that, I just never I don't know why
Speaker 1: I never. I never really think about that, but well
Speaker 1: I never really have either, But I mean it makes
Speaker 1: sense when so when a guy goes and donates his
Speaker 1: sperm to a sperm bank, they do check for certain things,
Speaker 1: and they get an extensive family history and this and that.
Speaker 1: But like we've talked about this many times before, they
Speaker 1: check for most common things. They they don't They can't
Speaker 1: check for everything like does this guy carry the cystic
Speaker 1: fibrosis gene because that's a common one, Like things like that.
Speaker 1: They can't check for every single genetic variant because it's
Speaker 1: just not it's not happening. There's just there's so many
Speaker 1: endless possibilities. So this particular one that this guy has,
Speaker 1: they didn't check for. And they said even when some
Speaker 1: of these babies were born, they didn't even know that
Speaker 1: this particular gene mutation was responsible for cancer. So even
Speaker 1: if they did know, they still wouldn't have advised against
Speaker 1: using it because they didn't know at the time. So,
Speaker 1: as Maria was saying, there's twenty three kids are test
Speaker 1: positive for this mutation, and ten of them have been
Speaker 1: diagnosed with leukemia, which is a cancer of the blood cells,
Speaker 1: non Hodgkins lymphoma, which is a cancer of lymphatic cells,
Speaker 1: which could be in the lymphodes or other organs. And
Speaker 1: the scary thing is is that some of these cancers
Speaker 1: will kill these kids like they I mean, some kids
Speaker 1: can survive leukemia and non Hodgkins lymphoma, depending on which
Speaker 1: type it is, and some kids don't. It just depends
Speaker 1: what type it is, and it it depends how they
Speaker 1: respond to treatment, And it is scary to not know
Speaker 1: that that something like that is there. I mean, I
Speaker 1: guess a lot of people have that situation though, that
Speaker 1: they find out that they have a gene with you know,
Speaker 1: they have a baby with somebody, and then that person
Speaker 1: has a weird thing that they're carrying and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: So there's never going to be a way to hunt
Speaker 1: undred percent prevent something like this. But someone had brought
Speaker 1: up with the sperm sperm donors. Now getting back to
Speaker 1: this guy having all of these children and donating to
Speaker 1: all of these these pregnancies, that there's they they are
Speaker 1: advising against it because they're saying, not every guy has
Speaker 1: sixty seven kids. Right, So now, like if this was
Speaker 1: a regular situation where this guy was just having sex
Speaker 1: with a woman and having three kids, let's say you
Speaker 1: would only put three of these mutations into the world,
Speaker 1: and that's and then you know, that's it. Now it's
Speaker 1: like you're put you put sixty seven people possibly have
Speaker 1: these mutations, you know what I mean, into the world,
Speaker 1: and it's like you're you're it's an abnormal dissemination of
Speaker 1: genetic disease when it doesn't when naturally it wouldn't occur
Speaker 1: that way. Does that make sense?
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, of course. And then I guess this quote
Speaker 2: from the clinic said, this is why we have proactively
Speaker 2: implemented our own international limit of seventy five families per donor.
Speaker 2: That is an incredibly large amount of families. I feel
Speaker 2: like it needs to be way smaller, like you're saying,
Speaker 2: and earlier when you were talking about like obviously these
Speaker 2: traits could come up earlier and stuff I wanted to
Speaker 2: I was thinking about it because they were saying in
Speaker 2: the article that even though they test the sperm, they
Speaker 2: can't test for things they don't know they're looking for,
Speaker 2: except for the obvious things that you were talking about.
Speaker 1: But what if on.
Speaker 2: A case like this, somebody donates their sperm and they
Speaker 2: lie about having a mutation they're aware of, or they
Speaker 2: lie about a family history of a disease because they
Speaker 2: don't want to be turned down.
Speaker 1: Because a lot of completely possible because people are doing
Speaker 1: it for mine. I mean, they don't get for mud
Speaker 1: a lot.
Speaker 2: But yeah, but I feel like a lot of college
Speaker 2: kids do it because it's quick cash. And why would
Speaker 2: you be honest about it if there was a potential
Speaker 2: you were going to be shot down?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's that's always something. And they're like,
Speaker 1: they only test for so much, so you know, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, actually it is scary. It is scary because
Speaker 1: you don't know, like and and then you have people
Speaker 1: that are donating that aren't medical people Like I feel
Speaker 1: like if someone asked me, do you have a family
Speaker 1: history of everything? I just think, like all the way
Speaker 1: back to all the stories I've ever heard and things
Speaker 1: that I think are relative which other people might not
Speaker 1: think are relative, or so like stuff like that. But
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know a lot of a lot of families too,
Speaker 2: are not open about when things are wrong in their family, right,
Speaker 2: Like you might know a family member has something wrong
Speaker 2: with them, and then you inquire about it because you're
Speaker 2: like thinking about starting a family, and then you know
Speaker 2: you have your aunt just like being like, oh, they're
Speaker 2: just silly, and it's like, no, but what's wrong with
Speaker 2: this person?
Speaker 1: Like I want to know? Well, I think that will
Speaker 1: get better the more like your your generation on, because
Speaker 1: of the advancements with with medical record keeping. Like let
Speaker 1: me tell you for example, like my grandpap, this is
Speaker 1: pop Pop's dad. He died from cancer. And then so
Speaker 1: I say, okay, he had cancer. What kind of cancer
Speaker 1: did he have? He had musicthelioma because he worked in
Speaker 1: the shipyard and then I'm like okay, And then I'll
Speaker 1: talk to him my did later and I'll say, yeah,
Speaker 1: like he was in the hospital and he had cancer
Speaker 1: in his brain and he you know, that's how he died.
Speaker 1: And then I'm like, wait, music, thelioma doesn't typically spread
Speaker 1: to the brain, so like, what's what am I missing here?
Speaker 1: That's that's unusual. And then he says later, oh, you know,
Speaker 1: my dad, i'd have his whole stomach caught out. Oh
Speaker 1: he had it was bleeding and this and that, And
Speaker 1: You're like, did he have gasher cancer, because that's something
Speaker 1: I kind of want to know. Like you start now,
Speaker 1: I wasn't cancer, you just had an ulcer, And you
Speaker 1: start going back and you're like, the history is so
Speaker 1: choppy because it's hearsay, whereas now it's like people have
Speaker 1: this stuff in writing and it's it's a little bit
Speaker 1: more okay, this is you definitely know. So especially like
Speaker 1: for example, if my grandpap had music ALIUMA, that's not
Speaker 1: really a risk to me because he did work at
Speaker 1: the Navy shipyard and that would be an environmental cause
Speaker 1: of cancer. And he also smokes cigarettes too, so like
Speaker 1: that combination is like, okay, he had musicaliuma, but like
Speaker 1: that's not a high risk for me, But like if
Speaker 1: he had gast your cancer, there are certain kind of
Speaker 1: gastric cancers that are genetic and that's something I definitely
Speaker 1: need to know about. So the more time goes on,
Speaker 1: you'll know more and more about your history and that
Speaker 1: would be less likely to happen hopefully, because you hear
Speaker 1: about this, Like sometimes you're talking to people and they'll say, oh,
Speaker 1: they're especially with like ovarian and breast cancer for women.
Speaker 1: You're just like, oh, those people should be tested like
Speaker 1: right now for for Brocket gens and to see if
Speaker 1: they have Yeah, you know, but a lot of times,
Speaker 1: like people just don't really think about that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: And so when you're given when when these guys are
Speaker 1: given their history, like they might just not know, especially
Speaker 1: like a guy, like a guy usually doesn't get half
Speaker 1: the story right. So it's like the combination is not great.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so it sucks for these people because they
Speaker 1: obviously like they needed to get a sperm donation because
Speaker 1: they were trying to start a family, and now they
Speaker 1: unknowingly like you.
Speaker 2: Know, well, what do you think is a fair number
Speaker 2: of limit? Like do you do you limit it to
Speaker 2: I'm just handed, I.
Speaker 1: Don't know, like a normal amount of people babies if
Speaker 1: a human would ever have, Let's say, for example, you
Speaker 1: limit it to three families, and then you give them
Speaker 1: the option to have siblings with the same sperm donor.
Speaker 1: But like you're like, I'm capping it at three families,
Speaker 1: but they're allowed to have like up to three siblings
Speaker 1: with the same sperm donor per family, right, Like I
Speaker 1: feel like that's reasonable. I'm not a fan of like
Speaker 1: we've talked about this before of like telling people how
Speaker 1: many kids they could have and stuff like that, but
Speaker 1: in this situation, just because it's not it's not a
Speaker 1: natural way of doing this, you know, because listen, like, now,
Speaker 1: how many kids does he have? What did they say?
Speaker 1: Twenty sixty seven? But I guess sixty seven kids? Right, yeah?
Speaker 2: But I think most people going through IUI or IVF
Speaker 2: are like not having ten children, right like they're they're
Speaker 2: having no But I.
Speaker 1: Just don't, like, I don't like putting the limit on
Speaker 1: it for the families that are getting the sperm donation.
Speaker 1: But so like this guy has he has sixty seven kids,
Speaker 1: and twenty three have tested positive for the gene. So
Speaker 1: you like, there's twenty three people in the world right
Speaker 1: now that have that. So unless those people do not
Speaker 1: have children, do you see how that could multiply very fast? Yeah,
Speaker 1: of course, because then they have kids, then they have kids,
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, like these twenty three
Speaker 1: kids can now have you know, sixty grandkids and then
Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty. Like it's it's spreading a genetic
Speaker 1: a genetic mutation that that would normally spread like that. No,
Speaker 1: there should there should definitely be a limitation because of that,
Speaker 1: and like it shouldn't matter. I don't think are they
Speaker 1: like low on on sperm donations.
Speaker 2: I've never heard of a shortage. So that's why I'm exactly.
Speaker 2: I'm surprised they say there's a limit of seventy five
Speaker 2: children per donor. That's absolutely crazy to think about, it
Speaker 2: really is. And think about you like donating your sperm
Speaker 2: in college to make quick cash and then you had
Speaker 2: seventy five kids, Like that's insane.
Speaker 1: All right, let's move on. It is disturbing for sure.
Speaker 2: Let's move on to Questions of the Day. Every Friday
Speaker 2: at the at Mother Knows Death Instagram account, You guys
Speaker 2: can head over to our story and ask us whatever
Speaker 2: you want. First, Are you guys into any fandoms like
Speaker 2: Harry Potter, Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, Game of Thrones.
Speaker 2: I think we all know you're really not, except maybe Strangers.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say a Stranger Things count probably I'm
Speaker 2: I love Stranger Things, and I feel like I get
Speaker 2: into it a little bit more because because especially Lucia
Speaker 2: is into it, like the nerding out and the trip
Speaker 2: to the Jackson, Uh, Georgia to go see where Stranger
Speaker 2: Things was filmed.
Speaker 1: I don't think I would have done that on my
Speaker 1: own because I just don't nerd out like that, but
Speaker 1: I do to an extent for Stranger Things because of Lucia.
Speaker 1: Like we're going to Atlanta soon and I want to
Speaker 1: go look at some of the other I think we
Speaker 1: can go visit the mall where they filmed and the
Speaker 1: Krill House, so I'm excited about that. I like the
Speaker 1: Harry Potter films, but I'm not I wouldn't consider myself
Speaker 1: to be in like the fandom. I enjoy watching them,
Speaker 1: but I'm not gonna go a mercurdy. Lillian told me today,
Speaker 1: she goes I started watching this show called Twilight. Oh
Speaker 1: my god. I was like, oh my god, Maria was
Speaker 1: obsessed with the Robert Pattinson poster on the wall and
Speaker 1: everything that could be like a fandom.
Speaker 2: Right, No, I might have to have them over for
Speaker 2: a girls' night and then we because yeah that yeah,
Speaker 2: that was definitely I mean yeah, in my youth, the
Speaker 2: fandom of Twilight huge for me. I mean, Gilmore Girls
Speaker 2: is probably the biggest fandom women where Like, I watch
Speaker 2: it religiously.
Speaker 1: I have a bunch of like sweatshirts and like cups.
Speaker 2: And you know, all things like that, but none of
Speaker 2: the more sci fi stuff like you described your question
Speaker 2: per se.
Speaker 1: But like Star Wars, I just don't get it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just really like it, like we go even if
Speaker 1: you go to Disney, Like I could look around and
Speaker 1: appreciate that it's coal and stuff, but I just don't.
Speaker 1: I don't get the attraction with it.
Speaker 2: Well. I was really into like comic book stuff for
Speaker 2: a while when I was a teenager, but then they
Speaker 2: start making so many movies and I get overwhelmed. It's
Speaker 2: kind of how I feel about Ninety Day Fiance. Like
Speaker 2: I thought it was the best show ever, and then
Speaker 2: all of a sudden. It was on every day of
Speaker 2: the week, two hour episodes, and then once I feel
Speaker 2: like I can't catch up, I just lose interest in it.
Speaker 2: Never mimic that first was that the first season with
Speaker 2: the who was the like the craziest couple of all time,
Speaker 2: the guy the guy that was from Tunisia and and
Speaker 2: the lady that was like the mom, oh.
Speaker 1: What's her name Danielle and I forget the guy's name.
Speaker 1: I yeah, everybody thought that like that that was just
Speaker 1: like you'll never match that ever.
Speaker 2: I mean, that show was incredible for a long time,
Speaker 2: but it just got like way too out of hand,
Speaker 2: all right.
Speaker 1: Next end ofmetriosis advice. So Maria and I both have endometriosis.
Speaker 1: I don't really have any advice. Well I do, actually,
Speaker 1: because a lot of times doctors will blow you off
Speaker 1: about it, and there are certain doctors around that will
Speaker 1: take it seriously and they'll give you a procedure to
Speaker 1: remove some of it, but every doctor won't do it,
Speaker 1: and lots of doctors will blow you off and out
Speaker 1: like it's nothing. So if you think you have it,
Speaker 1: the problem with endometriosis is that you can't really diagnose
Speaker 1: it by imaging, you could see certain changes that might
Speaker 1: show that they're scarring and stuff, but really the only
Speaker 1: way to diagnose it is by biopsying it, and you
Speaker 1: would have to get an invasive procedure like a laparoscopy
Speaker 1: to get that done. And some of the theory is
Speaker 1: that if you're having problems with scarring from endometriosis, if
Speaker 1: you go in and do a laparoscopy, you could cause
Speaker 1: more scarring, especially if you're cutting out a lot of tissue.
Speaker 1: But at the same time that seems to be giving
Speaker 1: women more relief to cut out the endometriosis and just
Speaker 1: like praying that the scarring doesn't get worse. So you
Speaker 1: should definitely push it because there are doctors, like in
Speaker 1: Jersey and in Philadelphia, we know there's doctors that do
Speaker 1: the surgery. One of our friends have it done too,
Speaker 1: and it's kind of life changing, so you don't have
Speaker 1: to live with it. And sometimes they want to what
Speaker 1: you on hormone and stuff, and I'm kind of like
Speaker 1: not into that, but you could do what you want
Speaker 1: to do. I just I personally think like I would
Speaker 1: get it caught out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, like I think for endemytriosis, you have
Speaker 2: to be your best advocate if you really feel like
Speaker 2: something's wrong. You know how many years have the both
Speaker 2: of us just been told like periods hurt, you know,
Speaker 2: like when you're like, well, I don't think they should
Speaker 2: hurt to the point where I feel like I have
Speaker 2: to go to the emergency room. But you don't go
Speaker 2: to the hospital because you know they're gonna blow you
Speaker 2: off too and send you home. So I think it's
Speaker 2: really important when you're telling the doctor and if you
Speaker 2: feel like you're getting blown off getting a second opinion,
Speaker 2: or if you're like in my case, for example, it
Speaker 2: was really severe, and I just, you know, I was
Speaker 2: really frustrated because I was being vocal about it, but
Speaker 2: I felt like nobody was like hearing me. But I
Speaker 2: also wasn't taking the extra steps to seek out a specialist.
Speaker 2: And when I finally got some type of like approval
Speaker 2: by a doctor so to say, to like see out
Speaker 2: the specialists and I went there, it was life changing
Speaker 2: for me. I mean, I had the procedure two months ago.
Speaker 2: I've had two periods since, and my life is completely different.
Speaker 2: And I'll talk a lot about the procedure at a
Speaker 2: later time, but it has definitely changed my life, and
Speaker 2: I've realized, like, wow, I didn't need to be in
Speaker 2: that much pain for fifteen years. It's like insane.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And one of the cool things now is that
Speaker 1: I'm older and I'm going through the menopause thing a
Speaker 1: little bit, or perimenopause whatever. It goes away, like when
Speaker 1: your hormones aren't the same anymore, it goes away, so
Speaker 1: like it will eventually go away for you. Also, this
Speaker 1: the glue we should mention the gluten free diet.
Speaker 2: Well. Yeah, so what was really interesting is that my
Speaker 2: postop appointment I had, my doctor had suggested I do
Speaker 2: the low fod map diet because I don't know if
Speaker 2: a lot of people know this, but even though I
Speaker 2: just had all my endometriosis removed, I mean, it could
Speaker 2: grow back, and I could there's a potential I have
Speaker 2: to have it another surgery later in my life. So
Speaker 2: like in the meantime, my doctor had suggested doing the
Speaker 2: low fodmap diet, which is a low inflammation diet.
Speaker 1: It's a pain in the ass. It's such a pain
Speaker 1: in the ass.
Speaker 2: But I had just you know, equipped like, oh I
Speaker 2: did that before because I have a gluten problem. And
Speaker 2: she was like, that's so interesting you say that because
Speaker 2: most of my endometriosis patients have gluten intolerances, and I
Speaker 2: don't think there's necessarily like all that many studies done
Speaker 2: linking them together, but it's something she's noticed, and well.
Speaker 1: Gluten is definitely linked to inflammation. So yeah, that's one
Speaker 1: hundred percent. So anytime you have any kind of an
Speaker 1: inflammatory process going on in your body, it's best to limit.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you need to. I mean, we
Speaker 1: completely exclude, but you could also just limit it a
Speaker 1: lot as well, and I think that that will be good.
Speaker 1: And the FODMAP, like, I don't know. If I was
Speaker 1: like Kim Kardashian and had a chef living in my house,
Speaker 1: I would eat the low FODAP diet every day because
Speaker 1: somebody was making my food and I would have to
Speaker 1: think about it. But it's just a lot. It's it's hard.
Speaker 2: But like when I in twenty twenty was having all
Speaker 2: my stomach issues and I couldn't figure out what it was.
Speaker 2: I mean, I lost I think thirty pounds in like
Speaker 2: six weeks, like something outrageously, to the point where my
Speaker 2: manager at the bar pulled me aside and was like
Speaker 2: are you on drugs?
Speaker 1: Like are you okay? You just like he's like, we
Speaker 1: love You're like no, I wish I was actually because
Speaker 1: I'd be having a good time here, like I'm not
Speaker 1: eating anything and I'm miserable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I literally can't eat anything. I feel like
Speaker 2: I'm going to pass out every time I eat. And
Speaker 2: then I did the low fodmap diet and I mean
Speaker 2: it changed my life. It made me realize I was
Speaker 2: allergic to gluten and when I stopped eating it, it
Speaker 2: totally changed my entire life. So well, I do feel
Speaker 2: like a douchebag for being like I'm gluten free, especially
Speaker 2: because of all this years working in the restaurant and
Speaker 2: being so judgment.
Speaker 1: Said they were, I feel like that too, Like when
Speaker 1: they me and Maria always said when we go to
Speaker 1: a restaurant and they're like, does anyone have any allergies here?
Speaker 1: I'm like, now we're good, yes, because we don't want
Speaker 1: people to be like, oh, you're that person.
Speaker 2: Because we'd have people come in the bar that would
Speaker 2: be absolute assholes about like I can't have any gluten
Speaker 2: and blah blah blah blah, and I'm like, well, hey,
Speaker 2: there's we do have gluten free options, but there's obviously
Speaker 2: the risk of cross contamination. But then five minutes later
Speaker 2: they've ordered a beer and I'm like, do you realize
Speaker 2: that beer has gluten in it? And I'm not talking
Speaker 2: about like, you know, there's theories that like Corona's Light
Speaker 2: or whatever is gluten free, or there's ciders and everything
Speaker 2: like that. No, I'm talking like a full gluten beer,
Speaker 2: like Guinness something crazy. So that's why I'd be judgmental
Speaker 2: of it. But now that I'm in the position, I
Speaker 2: understand a little better.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think there's a difference between us just
Speaker 1: like not eliminating it from our diet versus people who
Speaker 1: are saliac. Yeah, of course, because for me, I'm like,
Speaker 1: if I'm at a restaurant, there's things that I know
Speaker 1: that are safe, like a salad, for example. But people
Speaker 1: who have sliac are just like, well, does that trussing
Speaker 1: have glue? You know, like they get they get because
Speaker 1: they will get so sick from having a little bit
Speaker 1: of it. And I just try to keep out as
Speaker 1: much as I possibly can without, you know, like I
Speaker 1: feel like my my one friend that is true Celiac.
Speaker 1: I mean, she really just can only go to one
Speaker 1: restaurant around here because the owner has a siliac child
Speaker 1: and respects it, because like, how could you trust it otherwise.
Speaker 2: Well, I also just found out a gluten free bakery
Speaker 2: we've gone to a couple of times are not Celiac friendly.
Speaker 2: They said they're just gluten sensitive, which really I was
Speaker 2: surprised by that, which for us it doesn't matter, but
Speaker 2: I was surprised because thank god I ever recommended it
Speaker 2: to any funny that's that's that's weird. Why I'm not
Speaker 2: sure because I was kind of taken aback by it,
Speaker 2: and I don't know if the employee like misspoke, but
Speaker 2: I thought it was interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But I mean that place is good, so I'm
Speaker 1: gonna keep going there. But that leads us because there's
Speaker 1: just gluten in it? Is that why maybe we've been duped? Well,
Speaker 1: this leads us into our last question, which is would
Speaker 1: you eat gluten in Italy? And I want to say
Speaker 1: I would because I've heard from many people that it's
Speaker 1: totally different over there and it doesn't bother people. And
Speaker 1: one of my husband's best friends, his sister, has ciliac,
Speaker 1: and went there and was able to she tried some
Speaker 1: stuff and didn't have problems. I means she couldn't fully
Speaker 1: commit because she was scared, but she did try like
Speaker 1: pasta from her family member's dinners, and she didn't have
Speaker 1: any issues, which makes me feel good about it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think if like I might be chy, like a
Speaker 1: bite of pasta and then see like how I fell,
Speaker 1: and you know, I feel like it would be fine.
Speaker 1: But even if I didn't have a reaction, I still
Speaker 1: wouldn't eat like twenty loaves of bread. I don't want
Speaker 1: to overdo it, you know, like it would be really
Speaker 1: nice to have like a good piece of bread, though
Speaker 1: like it just can't be mimicked.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't overdo it. But I think it's also important
Speaker 2: to note that Europe has such different regulations with how
Speaker 2: their food is processed, so I think that's why it
Speaker 2: bothers people wayless.
Speaker 1: I mean, the food in.
Speaker 2: America is basically poisoned at this point, and over there
Speaker 2: it's like more fresh and natural, and they have a
Speaker 2: lot more regulations about what people are allowed to eat,
Speaker 2: which is refreshing. So I think I would take the
Speaker 2: risk over there, and I would actually enjoy it, because
Speaker 2: the Italian food over there must be the most incredible
Speaker 2: thing ever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I'm going to try to go on
Speaker 1: the fall.
Speaker 2: Maybe that'll be nice. All right, Well, thank you guys
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