WEBVTT - Final Destination Ceiling Collapse, Multiple Kids From Same Sperm Donor Have Cancer, Dump Truck Plows into Home, Drummer Dead in Plane Crash, and More!

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<v Speaker 1>Mother Knows Dad starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk Hi. Everyone,

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Mother Knows Death. On today's episode, we are

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<v Speaker 1>going to talk about some devastating news Maria got this

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<v Speaker 1>weekend of a drummer from The Devilwaar's Prada, one of

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<v Speaker 1>her old time favorite bands, died in a plane crash.

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<v Speaker 1>We're also going to get into some real life final

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<v Speaker 1>destination stories. A viral video of a dump truck driving

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<v Speaker 1>full speed through a residential neighborhood after the driver suffered

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<v Speaker 1>a medical emergency, a dead woman who was missing her heart,

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<v Speaker 1>a mom who went against medical advice and is now

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<v Speaker 1>facing charges. Weird infections you could pick up on vacation,

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<v Speaker 1>multiple cases of sperm donation leading to cancer, and a

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<v Speaker 1>mom who has started to go fundme so she can

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<v Speaker 1>cryogenically preserve her dead son. All that and more on

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<v Speaker 1>today's episode, Why don't we get started with the sad,

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<v Speaker 1>sad news you received this weekend?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, to quote my husband, it's not a good year

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<v Speaker 2>for drummers. Re reloved growing up because we had the

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<v Speaker 2>guy from my chemical romance that died in that horrific

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<v Speaker 2>how did he die again?

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<v Speaker 1>What?

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway?

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<v Speaker 1>It was tragic with his pets eating him. And now, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't remember exactly how he died, but yeah, his

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<v Speaker 1>pets ate him after he died. Yeah, and now we

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<v Speaker 1>have my favorite band after my chemical romance when I

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<v Speaker 1>transitioned to my metal phase was the devilwaar Shprada. And

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<v Speaker 1>now that drummer has died in a plane crash over

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<v Speaker 1>the weekend. Who names these bands? This is so corny

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<v Speaker 1>like their metal, like my definition of metal, and maybe

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<v Speaker 1>your generation's definition of metal is a little bit different.

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<v Speaker 1>I think this is just corny.

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<v Speaker 2>Tically, they fall they fall under this really niche category

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<v Speaker 2>called crab core.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm not a part of it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not possibly explaining this to you. It's way too evolved.

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<v Speaker 2>But this is what happened. So Daniel Williams, he was

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<v Speaker 2>the drummer from the Doubles product. Oh my god, you

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<v Speaker 2>actually took me to I feel like a guitar center

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<v Speaker 2>in like King of Prussia to meet him when I

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<v Speaker 2>was I think fourteen.

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<v Speaker 1>I possibly have a thought it out. I possibly have

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<v Speaker 1>a photo of him.

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<v Speaker 2>And I lay around somewhere, So I'm gonna look for

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<v Speaker 2>that after and put it in our broadcast channel if

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<v Speaker 2>I could find.

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<v Speaker 1>It on Instagram. But Daniel Williams and a music agent,

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<v Speaker 1>Dave Shapiro, they were flying in a private plane with

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<v Speaker 1>some others when it crashed, killing all six on board.

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<v Speaker 1>It seems like the flight was overnight, coming from the

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<v Speaker 1>East Coast going to the West coast, and according to

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<v Speaker 1>New York Post, they were attempting to land the plane

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<v Speaker 1>at San Diego's Montgomery Gibbs Executive Airport, but the airport

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<v Speaker 1>ended up having this power surge which knocks knocked out

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<v Speaker 1>the weather alert system and the runway lights. So as

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<v Speaker 1>they're preparing.

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<v Speaker 2>To land, I think there was really dense fog and

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<v Speaker 2>they weren't able to see as well, and with the

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<v Speaker 2>lights not being there, they weren't able to really get

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<v Speaker 2>a good feel for where the plane was landing, and

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<v Speaker 2>they got caught up in a power line and crashed

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<v Speaker 2>into a neighborhood.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh god, So well, at least no one got hurt

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<v Speaker 1>because on the ground at least, yeah, because I well, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean on the ground, because that's that's the worst.

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<v Speaker 1>When it's like some people that are completely uninvolved. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's kind of Ever since that one happened so close

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<v Speaker 1>to us in Philly a few months back. I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like that's like a new fear of mine I have,

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<v Speaker 1>is just things falling out of the sky like that. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, totally. It's so scary, and you see all

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<v Speaker 1>the cars on the street that are just burned up,

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<v Speaker 1>and I mean luckily just people weren't outside. And we

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<v Speaker 1>have other stories like that this week, two of just people,

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<v Speaker 1>just good situations where people aren't hurt when they really

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<v Speaker 1>could really really be devastating.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean it sucks because you you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like this always tends to happen with these smaller planes.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, we talked about what happened with JFK Junior

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<v Speaker 2>and everything in the weather. Visibility is definitely a problem,

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<v Speaker 2>but you know, it seemed like the flight went pretty

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<v Speaker 2>good overall. And then just because of this freak power surgeon,

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<v Speaker 2>a combination of a couple of things, this just freak

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<v Speaker 2>accident occurred and it's just sad for all of their

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<v Speaker 2>families and everyone involved.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it is all right.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's get into this Australian actress. Her name's Claire McMahon.

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<v Speaker 2>So she was on the show called Blog Party and

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<v Speaker 2>Club Life. But she's trying to raise about two hundred

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<v Speaker 2>thousand dollars to cryogenically preserve her thirteen year old son

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<v Speaker 2>after he died by suicide on Friday. Yeah, this is

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<v Speaker 2>a really sad story, and you could imagine that any

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<v Speaker 2>mother would just be desperate to get her child back

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<v Speaker 2>in any way possible, and this is what she's determined

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<v Speaker 2>is going to do that for her. So cryogenics is

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<v Speaker 2>a thing that they take your dead body and within

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<v Speaker 2>a week after death, they freeze your body in the

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<v Speaker 2>hopes that maybe at some point in the future they'll

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<v Speaker 2>be able to reanimate your body when there's new technology available.

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<v Speaker 2>We talked about this a lot in the gross room

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<v Speaker 2>because who is the most famous person you always hear

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<v Speaker 2>about being cryogenically frozen? Walt Disney, Yes, Walt Disney.

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<v Speaker 1>So we did Walt Disney's Celebrity death dis section years

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<v Speaker 1>ago and just kind of did a whole section on that,

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<v Speaker 1>and I looked into it a little bit. And so

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<v Speaker 1>there is a whole entire movement of this, obviously, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's called cryonics dot org. You could become a member

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<v Speaker 1>for over one thousand dollars and then they will cryogenically

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<v Speaker 1>preserve your body for thirty thousand dollars and it has

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<v Speaker 1>to stay in storage for however long if and when

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<v Speaker 1>they ever come up with the technology to reanimate the body, right,

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<v Speaker 1>which I'm not sure. I don't want to say I

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<v Speaker 1>don't see that happening, because anything's possible, right, But there's

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<v Speaker 1>less than two hundred people who are currently signed up

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<v Speaker 1>to do this, and it's not true with Disney. I

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<v Speaker 1>think his daughter has said, no, he's not beneath the

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<v Speaker 1>Pirates of Caribbean ride. The other thing. When I was

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<v Speaker 1>a kid, it was like, oh, his head's frozen in

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<v Speaker 1>Cinderella's castle. So it's like it's really it's really uh

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<v Speaker 1>changed a lot. But I mean, his daughter says it's

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<v Speaker 1>not true or whatever. But now getting back to this,

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<v Speaker 1>this mom obviously her kid was only thirteen years old

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<v Speaker 1>and he killed himself because he was getting bullied really

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<v Speaker 1>bad at school apparently, And she says that she has

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<v Speaker 1>so many documentations of it. She has medical reports, psychologists reports,

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<v Speaker 1>formal PTSD diagnosis emails, all that she was raising the

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<v Speaker 1>alarm at the school and nothing was done, and she feels,

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<v Speaker 1>like any parent would, it's probably the worst thing that

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<v Speaker 1>could happen, like I say this all the time, losing

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<v Speaker 1>a child like that and in this way, feeling that

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<v Speaker 1>there might have been something that could have been done

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<v Speaker 1>to prevent it. I understand why she just is going

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<v Speaker 1>to this extreme of wanting to do this.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I definitely do too. I mean, I think also

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<v Speaker 2>because she's saying there's a time limit on this. His

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<v Speaker 2>body has to be frozen within a certain time period

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of days after death too. And I think,

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<v Speaker 2>when you go through something so traumatic like that, if

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<v Speaker 2>this is really what he wanted, she said they had

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<v Speaker 2>discussed it when he was a pretty little kid, and

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<v Speaker 2>he like I think she said, about six or seven

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<v Speaker 2>years ago, we started talking about afterlife in heaven and

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<v Speaker 2>I talked to him about cryogenics and he told me

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<v Speaker 2>he would like that, which that's a really interesting conversation

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<v Speaker 2>have with a six or seven year old. But I

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<v Speaker 2>think if she had that in her mind and just

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<v Speaker 2>having the tragic event occur, obviously she wants to try

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<v Speaker 2>to honor his wishes in some type of way.

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<v Speaker 1>So I understand. Yeah, I mean, I personally wouldn't do

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<v Speaker 1>something like that, just because I don't. I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of quackery at this point, and so I just

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<v Speaker 1>feel like I'm a very strong person that's like you're

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<v Speaker 1>here for your time and when you're done, you're done.

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<v Speaker 1>Like that's it. We shouldn't get into that. But I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure I don't know if I'll see that, if we'll

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<v Speaker 1>see that in our lifetime, but that will definitely be

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<v Speaker 1>in the future of medicine for sure. Let's talk about So.

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<v Speaker 1>I saw this post on x and Instagram, all these

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<v Speaker 1>posts showing this story, and I had to look it

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<v Speaker 1>up because it almost sounds like one of these fake

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<v Speaker 1>stories that people makes up and it's actually true.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I thought it was fake at first too, because,

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<v Speaker 2>like you, I saw it on social media first, and

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<v Speaker 2>it didn't come out in the news for a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of days, like it was a while, so I assumed

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<v Speaker 2>it was something made up. But in Argentina, forty people

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<v Speaker 2>were in this movie theater watching the newest Final Destination

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<v Speaker 2>movie and suddenly the ceiling collapsed on all of them,

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<v Speaker 2>like something straight out of the movie.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean it just you can't. You couldn't even

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<v Speaker 1>write this or make this up. That's why I kept

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<v Speaker 1>seeing these memes and stuff that was like, oh, theater

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<v Speaker 1>collapse when people were viewing Final Destination movie. It's just

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<v Speaker 1>it's just so crazy that that would happen. They think

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<v Speaker 1>that it happened because of heavy rainfall, but I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>the people are watching this movie and it's very loud

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<v Speaker 1>and animated, and at first they thought that the noise

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<v Speaker 1>was coming from part of the movie. They thought it

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<v Speaker 1>was part of the show, and then they started feeling

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<v Speaker 1>debris falling on them. One of the people seemed to

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<v Speaker 1>get pretty hurt. But it doesn't seem like anybody died

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<v Speaker 1>from it, because that could definitely cause some severe blunt

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<v Speaker 1>trauma and kill people depending on how heavy the debris is,

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<v Speaker 1>you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I was thinking, like, they're really messed up.

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<v Speaker 2>Part of this angle is I wonder if the film

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<v Speaker 2>production was like, this is advertisement you can't possibly pay for,

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<v Speaker 2>because any thrill seeker is now like, well the potential

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<v Speaker 2>of this, maybe they're gonna look for something like this

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<v Speaker 2>to happen.

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<v Speaker 1>But maybe they were responsible. They like some helicopter go

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<v Speaker 1>by and drop like a shit ton of water on

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<v Speaker 1>the roof or something, just to get the publicity.

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<v Speaker 2>It seems like some general building maintenance issues, but it

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<v Speaker 2>is I'm always a conspiracy theorist. Yeah, I just I

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<v Speaker 2>was sitting there wondering, like the studios either freaking out

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<v Speaker 2>or thinking like this is the best.

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<v Speaker 1>They think this is awes they think this is awesome. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, so this is another final destination type of story. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>you just like when we tell you the story, you

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<v Speaker 1>just can't even believe that that something like this would happen,

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<v Speaker 1>And like, what is this is when you start talking

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<v Speaker 1>about religion and stuff and you're just like, how like,

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<v Speaker 1>how do you find any kind of piece when something

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<v Speaker 1>like this happens. No, this woman was driving home at

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<v Speaker 1>two o'clock in the morning. She ended up veering off

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<v Speaker 1>the road and flipping her car into a culvert and

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<v Speaker 1>ended up dying. So then the fiance gets a call

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<v Speaker 1>that she's been in this veale crash, and he of

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<v Speaker 1>course starts rushing to this scene and he then lose

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<v Speaker 1>his control of his car and then dies. So two

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<v Speaker 1>separate accidents. Yeah, and they're engaged, should be married in February.

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<v Speaker 1>And on top of that, they have a four year old,

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<v Speaker 1>so both of the parents of this kid are dead.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's just like you hear of this from time

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<v Speaker 1>to time. I do think we had a similar story

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<v Speaker 1>to this, right with it with an elderly husband and

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<v Speaker 1>wife a couple of months. Yeah, there was like a

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<v Speaker 1>fishing accident. Yeah that they both ended up dying in

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<v Speaker 1>the same day. But I mean to think about how

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<v Speaker 1>I know that people die frequently in motor vehicle accidents,

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<v Speaker 1>but at the same time, it's not frequent compared to

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<v Speaker 1>how many times people get in a car and drive

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<v Speaker 1>every day. And just to think that these two people

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<v Speaker 1>that are engaged to each other, it happened to them

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<v Speaker 1>on the same day and you could see I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess you could see it with the guy because

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<v Speaker 1>obviously he was got a call, woke up out of

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<v Speaker 1>his dead sleep, and is driving in a panic.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like you're in distress. I totally understand why, like

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<v Speaker 2>part two of this happened, because you're it's like you're saying,

0:12:03.320 --> 0:12:05.880
<v Speaker 2>middle of the night, you're in distress. You probably shouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>be driving when you just found out that your fiance

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<v Speaker 2>has been killed. I mean, but what are you gonna

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<v Speaker 2>do if you're trying to rush and nobody else is

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<v Speaker 2>around to help you.

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<v Speaker 1>So one part of this story, though, that I would

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<v Speaker 1>like to mention is both of these people were not

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<v Speaker 1>wearing seat belts, yeah, which is critical, it is. And

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<v Speaker 1>my first thought is like, like, how could you even

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<v Speaker 1>get away with that? Because that noise would drive me

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<v Speaker 1>freaking crazy. I mean, mine doesn't even turn off after

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<v Speaker 1>a time. It's it's so annoying. And unless you pull

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<v Speaker 1>a pop up and you buckle it and then sit

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<v Speaker 1>on top of it, yeah, my dad does that. Actually,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm telling you this right now. This is a true story.

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<v Speaker 1>He buckles the seatbelt of his car and then sits

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<v Speaker 1>on top of it. Like what a crazy person. It

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<v Speaker 1>has to be so uncomfortable. The only thing I could

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<v Speaker 1>think with like old people is that they didn't have

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<v Speaker 1>seat belts and cars for a long time when they

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<v Speaker 1>were driving, and maybe they just got used to it

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<v Speaker 1>and the feeling of it is so annoying. But for us,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like it's always been a thing. So maybe that's

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<v Speaker 1>why it doesn't bother us because it's just always a thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, but so I look back and she

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<v Speaker 1>was driving a twenty thirteen Toyota Highlander and he was

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<v Speaker 1>also driving a twenty and sixteen Chevy Camaro. So maybe

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<v Speaker 1>because they're a little bit older car, they're not that old,

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<v Speaker 1>but maybe maybe they the alarm wasn't as annoying or whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>or maybe they buckled it and sat on top of it.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. But according to the National Highway Traffic

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<v Speaker 1>Safety Administration, they believe that ninety one point two percent

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<v Speaker 1>of the population wear seat belts, which is a pretty

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<v Speaker 1>good compliance if that's true, and they think that it

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<v Speaker 1>saved fifteen thousand lives a year wearing seat belts, And

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<v Speaker 1>it's possible even some accidents are just so bad, like

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<v Speaker 1>you're not surviving it no matter what. But especially I

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<v Speaker 1>believe the guy who was driving, he was ejected, and

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<v Speaker 1>when you're injected, like forget it, that's just lessening your tail.

0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:04.280
<v Speaker 1>It's a survival ever, right, so if he was wearing

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<v Speaker 1>a seatbelt, he could have possibly survived. There's other times too,

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<v Speaker 1>like I don't want to just be this seat belt

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<v Speaker 1>pro seatbelt person, because there's definitely times that seat belts

0:14:14.440 --> 0:14:20.600
<v Speaker 1>injure people. They could cause internal injuries, hemorrhage. And remember

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<v Speaker 1>we were talking, we were doing that interview about people

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<v Speaker 1>that were driving over the road and going into the

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<v Speaker 1>water with their car, and this happened. It happens sometimes

0:14:35.560 --> 0:14:39.240
<v Speaker 1>that people drive over a bridge or something and they

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<v Speaker 1>go into the water in their car and they're stuck

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<v Speaker 1>because of their seat belt, and they sell tools that

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<v Speaker 1>are seatbelt cutters that could cut the seatbelt that they

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<v Speaker 1>recommend that you keep in your car in case there's

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<v Speaker 1>a time that you have to take off your seat

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<v Speaker 1>belt because you think, oh, I'll just reach over and

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<v Speaker 1>hit the button. But the problem is is when your

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<v Speaker 1>car is dented up, bent and you're you're in a

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<v Speaker 1>situation where maybe the center or console is like pushing

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<v Speaker 1>in on it and you're not able to access the

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<v Speaker 1>release button, there's really no way to get it off.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you're underwater, especially like that would kill you,

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<v Speaker 1>and not wearing a seat belt in that situation might

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<v Speaker 1>help you. But for the most part, I think that

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<v Speaker 1>most people would say that seatbelts are better than not

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<v Speaker 1>wearing them.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I really encourage everybody to check out this external

0:15:26.760 --> 0:15:29.160
<v Speaker 2>exam we did with Doug Bishop, because he really goes

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<v Speaker 2>over everything that could possibly go wrong if a car

0:15:31.840 --> 0:15:34.480
<v Speaker 2>enters water and really great tips on how to get

0:15:34.480 --> 0:15:37.120
<v Speaker 2>out if you're in that situation, because obviously, I think

0:15:37.160 --> 0:15:39.520
<v Speaker 2>when it happens to most people, it's very sudden and

0:15:39.560 --> 0:15:41.800
<v Speaker 2>then they're in panic mode and they're in shock and

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<v Speaker 2>they don't know what to do. But that episode was

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<v Speaker 2>incredibly helpful. He also sells that.

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<v Speaker 1>Toll hell yeah, which is which we immediately after he

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<v Speaker 1>scared us enough to make us want to have that

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<v Speaker 1>thing in our car.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, definitely. Remember when we were on that trip in Florida,

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<v Speaker 2>pop Up wasn't buckling the seatbelt, but he's like kind

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<v Speaker 2>of borderline deaf, so the beep kept going off and

0:16:06.200 --> 0:16:08.760
<v Speaker 2>he just kept being like, what's that noise? And then

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<v Speaker 2>Mama finally freaked out, was like, fuckle your fucking seatbelt.

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<v Speaker 1>I I don't care. I always yell at him because

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to be in a car with somebody

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<v Speaker 1>that's not wearing a seatbelt because I know they become

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<v Speaker 1>a projectile within the car and they're gonna hurt me

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<v Speaker 1>if there's an accident. So I'm just like, very I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want too many kids or anything in my car

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<v Speaker 1>that aren't in a belt, like, and I don't want him.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, I always mess with them all. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want your biggest body like bouncing around inside

0:16:37.960 --> 0:16:39.640
<v Speaker 1>his car and like you're gonna kill me if you

0:16:39.720 --> 0:16:42.200
<v Speaker 1>hit me in an accident. That trip was the first

0:16:42.200 --> 0:16:44.200
<v Speaker 1>time I ever heard her curse in front of me.

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<v Speaker 1>I was, but now it happens all the time. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just like, well now.

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<v Speaker 2>Because we just make fun of everybody all the time,

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<v Speaker 2>it just slips so to the while.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, So this this next case is another is

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<v Speaker 1>another crazy case near us there was this dump truck

0:17:02.080 --> 0:17:06.359
<v Speaker 1>driving right. It was just normal guy driving some cement

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<v Speaker 1>around or something, and like a seventy three thousand pound

0:17:10.200 --> 0:17:13.280
<v Speaker 1>dump truck and all of a sudden he had a

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<v Speaker 1>seizure and started driving anywhere from forty to fifty miles

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<v Speaker 1>an hour through a neighborhood, like cutting across lawns, hitting

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<v Speaker 1>telephone poles, and ended up plowing into a house so

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<v Speaker 1>hard that part of the house collapse. Part of the

0:17:27.320 --> 0:17:32.400
<v Speaker 1>truck was in the basement. And it was so scary

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<v Speaker 1>because the company had released the dashboard cam of it

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<v Speaker 1>happening and it is so scary looking and you're like,

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<v Speaker 1>thank god this happened at one point thirty in the afternoon,

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<v Speaker 1>during the time where most kids are at school, because

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<v Speaker 1>it just drove through front lawns like it just could

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<v Speaker 1>have been really really bad.

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<v Speaker 2>No It's good in the sense of nobody was like outside,

0:17:53.880 --> 0:17:56.520
<v Speaker 2>but the homeowner was in the house when it happened.

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<v Speaker 2>I know both people were able to get out safe.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't believe that. Well, it's because of all those

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<v Speaker 1>amazing fire departments that responded. It's scary though, because I

0:18:06.760 --> 0:18:09.840
<v Speaker 1>guess the guy the guy's neighbor heard him screaming in

0:18:09.880 --> 0:18:11.679
<v Speaker 1>the house and they knew that the gas line was

0:18:11.680 --> 0:18:14.560
<v Speaker 1>broke because they could smell the gas. Like that's so scary. Oh,

0:18:14.800 --> 0:18:16.960
<v Speaker 1>and he was trying to get him out. And so

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<v Speaker 1>it ended up that the driver had what's called a

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<v Speaker 1>ton of klons medical seizure, which is what you think

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<v Speaker 1>of when you think of a person having a seizure,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's in two phases, Like first the person is

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<v Speaker 1>going to start having like they might make a noise

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<v Speaker 1>or yell or something, and then their muscles suddenly get

0:18:34.760 --> 0:18:37.520
<v Speaker 1>stiff and cause them to fall down and lose consciousness,

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<v Speaker 1>which is terrible to happen if you're driving right. And

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<v Speaker 1>then that lasts for a couple seconds, and then all

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<v Speaker 1>of a sudden there starts having the seizure. What you

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<v Speaker 1>think of a seizure is like rhythmic contractions, their arms

0:18:50.400 --> 0:18:54.400
<v Speaker 1>and legs are jerking, and this was all happening when

0:18:54.400 --> 0:18:58.080
<v Speaker 1>this guy was driving. Now, this type of seizure can

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<v Speaker 1>be seen with people who have a history of epilepsy,

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<v Speaker 1>which is why there's roles in most states for people

0:19:04.160 --> 0:19:06.800
<v Speaker 1>who have epilepsy, Like you have to show that it's

0:19:06.880 --> 0:19:10.520
<v Speaker 1>under control, and sometimes they don't let you get your

0:19:10.600 --> 0:19:13.080
<v Speaker 1>license back for six months to a year after you

0:19:13.160 --> 0:19:17.159
<v Speaker 1>have a seizure like this, Wow, for obvious reasons, because

0:19:17.200 --> 0:19:20.760
<v Speaker 1>if this happens, you don't know what's gonna happen. It happens,

0:19:21.480 --> 0:19:24.159
<v Speaker 1>and then you lose control of the car, and and

0:19:24.200 --> 0:19:28.320
<v Speaker 1>that's scary because when you're looking at the video, it's

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<v Speaker 1>either like that or it was like a terrorist attack,

0:19:31.080 --> 0:19:33.600
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean, Like it's it because it

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<v Speaker 1>looks so you wouldn't think that someone was accidentally driving

0:19:37.960 --> 0:19:40.320
<v Speaker 1>that fast through a neighborhood like that on people's front

0:19:40.359 --> 0:19:44.800
<v Speaker 1>lawns and stuff. So luckily, I mean, the guys got

0:19:44.840 --> 0:19:47.200
<v Speaker 1>injured at the house, but he seems like he's going

0:19:47.240 --> 0:19:49.959
<v Speaker 1>to be okay, and the driver seems like he's going

0:19:50.040 --> 0:19:52.600
<v Speaker 1>to be okay, and just like this is another one

0:19:52.600 --> 0:19:55.800
<v Speaker 1>of those situations where you're just like, thank god nobody

0:19:56.040 --> 0:19:59.879
<v Speaker 1>got killed, because it could have been so much worse.

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<v Speaker 1>Didn't somebody drive through a Target near us in a

0:20:03.480 --> 0:20:07.080
<v Speaker 1>similar situation They had like a medical episode and drove

0:20:07.200 --> 0:20:10.480
<v Speaker 1>right into like the Starbucks in the front. Yeah, that

0:20:10.640 --> 0:20:13.800
<v Speaker 1>happened like a year or two ago, I think. But yeah,

0:20:13.840 --> 0:20:16.359
<v Speaker 1>you're just like, oh, I mean, think about every time

0:20:16.359 --> 0:20:18.760
<v Speaker 1>you go to Target, there's always lots of people there.

0:20:19.080 --> 0:20:21.760
<v Speaker 1>There's people that are just walking out front from the

0:20:21.760 --> 0:20:24.040
<v Speaker 1>parking lot with their kids, and this person just drove

0:20:24.119 --> 0:20:26.439
<v Speaker 1>right into our target, like into the entrance where you

0:20:26.480 --> 0:20:29.359
<v Speaker 1>go in. And again, I feel like it was really

0:20:29.400 --> 0:20:31.600
<v Speaker 1>early in the morning that there wasn't that many people

0:20:31.640 --> 0:20:34.199
<v Speaker 1>there yet, But like what if something like that happens

0:20:34.200 --> 0:20:36.199
<v Speaker 1>on a Saturday or something when it's packed. It's just

0:20:36.640 --> 0:20:39.320
<v Speaker 1>there's so many freak accidents like this that happened that

0:20:39.880 --> 0:20:43.640
<v Speaker 1>you really think, like, wow, that's amazing that nothing worse

0:20:43.720 --> 0:20:45.040
<v Speaker 1>came of it. Well.

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<v Speaker 2>Also, like obviously in the dump truck case, the person

0:20:48.040 --> 0:20:49.840
<v Speaker 2>was inside of their house and they couldn't have really

0:20:49.840 --> 0:20:53.040
<v Speaker 2>done anything to escape the situation. But in parking lots

0:20:53.080 --> 0:20:55.600
<v Speaker 2>in particular, I've just noticed that so many people are

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<v Speaker 2>so zoned out on their phone, not paying attention with

0:20:58.080 --> 0:21:01.639
<v Speaker 2>cars or backing up or driving, and it like eyes open.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's like talking to a little kid when

0:21:03.640 --> 0:21:06.080
<v Speaker 2>they're just learning how to walk by themselves in the

0:21:06.119 --> 0:21:08.320
<v Speaker 2>parking lot. For the first time we're crossing the street,

0:21:08.680 --> 0:21:11.640
<v Speaker 2>you're like, look both ways before we're crossing. I think

0:21:11.680 --> 0:21:13.800
<v Speaker 2>we've totally lost that in society.

0:21:14.000 --> 0:21:16.800
<v Speaker 1>I know. It's it's it is really frightening how checked

0:21:16.800 --> 0:21:19.000
<v Speaker 1>out people are. It's that the traffic lights is all

0:21:19.000 --> 0:21:20.680
<v Speaker 1>the time. You're just like, oh my god. But that's

0:21:20.680 --> 0:21:24.840
<v Speaker 1>why they put those big but like target balls and

0:21:24.920 --> 0:21:27.440
<v Speaker 1>like barrier you know, those big cements. It didn't work

0:21:27.480 --> 0:21:30.840
<v Speaker 1>in this game. It's it. Well, that's that's another thing too,

0:21:30.960 --> 0:21:33.679
<v Speaker 1>Like that our target had all that stuff out front

0:21:33.760 --> 0:21:36.919
<v Speaker 1>and it didn't do anything. It might do something if

0:21:36.960 --> 0:21:40.120
<v Speaker 1>you're going five miles an hour, but if you're pounding

0:21:40.200 --> 0:21:43.040
<v Speaker 1>forty miles an hour down straight ahead, like it's not

0:21:43.280 --> 0:21:46.800
<v Speaker 1>doing anything. Yeah, exactly. You know, speaking of that too,

0:21:46.840 --> 0:21:50.360
<v Speaker 1>there was there was another situation that happened in the

0:21:50.480 --> 0:21:53.400
<v Speaker 1>UK this weekend. Did you see that that a car

0:21:53.560 --> 0:21:56.919
<v Speaker 1>drove through a crowd of people of the soccer parade? Yeah,

0:21:57.080 --> 0:21:59.760
<v Speaker 1>and and that, like, I don't know what's up with that.

0:22:00.200 --> 0:22:02.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm waiting to hear more because as of right now,

0:22:02.280 --> 0:22:04.359
<v Speaker 1>they're like it's not a terrorist attack. But you're looking

0:22:04.359 --> 0:22:05.960
<v Speaker 1>at it and you're just like, this guy is like

0:22:06.040 --> 0:22:08.720
<v Speaker 1>intentionally driving through people when there was like a clear

0:22:08.760 --> 0:22:11.920
<v Speaker 1>path to not hit people. I'm just like, I just don't.

0:22:12.320 --> 0:22:14.160
<v Speaker 1>I don't believe anything anymore, honestly.

0:22:14.200 --> 0:22:16.119
<v Speaker 2>But are they trying to act like it's like the

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<v Speaker 2>incident with the Eagles parade where some girl just was

0:22:19.040 --> 0:22:21.560
<v Speaker 2>trying to go around because they all those people were

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<v Speaker 2>blocking Broad Street.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't, I don't know. I think there's I don't

0:22:25.640 --> 0:22:27.919
<v Speaker 1>know how the car ended up back there, but people

0:22:27.960 --> 0:22:30.480
<v Speaker 1>were like antagonizing the guy and he was trying to

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<v Speaker 1>get away apparently, and they thought that he panicked because

0:22:33.600 --> 0:22:37.080
<v Speaker 1>he was scared for his life and just drove off.

0:22:37.160 --> 0:22:40.480
<v Speaker 1>But when you look at some of the video, and

0:22:40.520 --> 0:22:42.280
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, maybe if you're in that situation that

0:22:42.320 --> 0:22:44.760
<v Speaker 1>you're running from your life, you're not thinking about anything.

0:22:44.760 --> 0:22:46.880
<v Speaker 1>But there's like clear areas that he could go where

0:22:46.880 --> 0:22:50.359
<v Speaker 1>there's like not as many people, and it's just going

0:22:50.440 --> 0:22:53.879
<v Speaker 1>right into the crowd of people. It doesn't seem like

0:22:53.920 --> 0:22:57.560
<v Speaker 1>anyone has died from that yet, but just like I

0:22:57.600 --> 0:23:00.440
<v Speaker 1>don't know, just like cars hitting people and these types

0:23:00.480 --> 0:23:11.960
<v Speaker 1>of things are really scary, you know. Yeah, this episode

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<v Speaker 1>week's celebrity death dissection was on me, but it's called death.

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<v Speaker 1>It's called Nicole a Jemmy celebrity, not death to section.

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<v Speaker 1>But I am talking about my whole entire cancer diagnosis

0:23:26.800 --> 0:23:30.320
<v Speaker 1>and what it looked like before, the innocent little tumor

0:23:30.359 --> 0:23:33.560
<v Speaker 1>that it looked like before, and everything that went down since.

0:23:33.760 --> 0:23:38.400
<v Speaker 1>And it's been actually it's been exactly what's today, Oh,

0:23:38.440 --> 0:23:41.520
<v Speaker 1>it's it's h the day after Memorial Day. So yesterday

0:23:41.640 --> 0:23:45.359
<v Speaker 1>was exactly two weeks since my surgery. So still have

0:23:45.560 --> 0:23:48.040
<v Speaker 1>a long road to go with this scar healing, but

0:23:48.240 --> 0:23:51.880
<v Speaker 1>hopefully it will look better. If not, I will definitely

0:23:52.440 --> 0:23:54.879
<v Speaker 1>be calling doctor Dimitri to get some help with that.

0:23:55.359 --> 0:23:59.160
<v Speaker 1>But also, yeah, we talk about a viral video that's

0:23:59.200 --> 0:24:02.160
<v Speaker 1>been going around a guy that's called the Human Grasshopper,

0:24:02.320 --> 0:24:04.560
<v Speaker 1>and we're all talking about different things that it might

0:24:04.600 --> 0:24:07.440
<v Speaker 1>be just because it's so bizarre and obviously people think

0:24:07.480 --> 0:24:10.080
<v Speaker 1>that it might be AI even but I don't think so.

0:24:10.200 --> 0:24:12.760
<v Speaker 1>I think that it's real and we're trying to figure

0:24:12.760 --> 0:24:15.320
<v Speaker 1>out what it is. So that's fun just because there's

0:24:15.600 --> 0:24:18.840
<v Speaker 1>other medical professionals in there as well, and or just

0:24:19.240 --> 0:24:22.520
<v Speaker 1>anybody think has theories and it's pretty cool. So check

0:24:22.560 --> 0:24:25.080
<v Speaker 1>out the grocerroom. Yeah, head over to the grossroom dot

0:24:25.119 --> 0:24:30.160
<v Speaker 1>com to sign it. Let's talk about this dead lady

0:24:30.200 --> 0:24:32.240
<v Speaker 1>that's missing her heart. Yeah.

0:24:32.280 --> 0:24:34.960
<v Speaker 2>So this couple was heading to Turkey on vacation and

0:24:35.000 --> 0:24:37.720
<v Speaker 2>while on the flight, the wife said she started suddenly

0:24:37.760 --> 0:24:40.399
<v Speaker 2>feeling really ill and thought it had been food poisoning,

0:24:40.720 --> 0:24:42.920
<v Speaker 2>but then over the next day her symptoms kept getting

0:24:42.960 --> 0:24:44.560
<v Speaker 2>worse and she suddenly died.

0:24:45.359 --> 0:24:48.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So once she landed, they said that she grew

0:24:49.000 --> 0:24:52.520
<v Speaker 1>delirious and then she was hospitalized the next day and died.

0:24:53.040 --> 0:24:56.600
<v Speaker 1>And initially the Turkish officials thought that the husband was

0:24:56.680 --> 0:24:59.960
<v Speaker 1>responsible for this and they were suspecting him of poisoning her,

0:25:00.119 --> 0:25:03.080
<v Speaker 1>but then they didn't really go into how she died

0:25:03.160 --> 0:25:05.120
<v Speaker 1>or anything, and he was able to get her body

0:25:05.200 --> 0:25:08.080
<v Speaker 1>flown back to the UK from Turkey. I don't know.

0:25:08.119 --> 0:25:10.800
<v Speaker 1>They didn't mention in this article if she was embalmed,

0:25:10.800 --> 0:25:12.400
<v Speaker 1>then I don't know what the rules are there as

0:25:12.440 --> 0:25:15.160
<v Speaker 1>far as sending a body from Turkey to the UK,

0:25:15.720 --> 0:25:18.640
<v Speaker 1>but the British. So she gets back to the UK

0:25:18.760 --> 0:25:22.280
<v Speaker 1>and the British corner does it is examining her body

0:25:22.320 --> 0:25:24.920
<v Speaker 1>to try to figure out what happened, and they tell

0:25:24.960 --> 0:25:30.840
<v Speaker 1>the husband her heart is missing. So that's a little unusual.

0:25:30.920 --> 0:25:35.920
<v Speaker 1>So they contacted the Turkey Ministry of Health and they

0:25:35.960 --> 0:25:38.120
<v Speaker 1>said that they determined her cause of death was from

0:25:38.160 --> 0:25:42.520
<v Speaker 1>cardiac arrest due to multiple organ failure, which is like okay,

0:25:42.560 --> 0:25:46.040
<v Speaker 1>but like what caused that? Nothing? And they also said

0:25:46.119 --> 0:25:51.280
<v Speaker 1>quote she did not undergo any surgical procedures during a

0:25:51.359 --> 0:25:55.159
<v Speaker 1>preliminary autopsy, Like that doesn't even make any sense to me.

0:25:55.520 --> 0:25:57.920
<v Speaker 1>So were they trying to say they didn't cut into

0:25:57.920 --> 0:26:03.600
<v Speaker 1>her body, possibly because I would. I just wouldn't call

0:26:03.680 --> 0:26:06.040
<v Speaker 1>something an autopsy. I would say it was like an

0:26:06.119 --> 0:26:09.320
<v Speaker 1>external exam. I wouldn't refer to something as an autopsy

0:26:09.400 --> 0:26:14.280
<v Speaker 1>unless somebody was actually cut into And if they're saying

0:26:14.400 --> 0:26:17.760
<v Speaker 1>she didn't undergo any surgical procedures, like it is possible

0:26:17.800 --> 0:26:20.639
<v Speaker 1>she didn't undergo surgery at the hospital prior to dying,

0:26:20.720 --> 0:26:24.320
<v Speaker 1>but someone removed her heart. Now the first thing, as

0:26:24.440 --> 0:26:27.040
<v Speaker 1>the corner, if I was doing the autopsy. What I

0:26:27.080 --> 0:26:29.160
<v Speaker 1>would want to look at is I would just want

0:26:29.160 --> 0:26:31.280
<v Speaker 1>to look at the way that the incision was done.

0:26:32.000 --> 0:26:33.840
<v Speaker 1>Does it look like it was she was it was

0:26:33.840 --> 0:26:35.840
<v Speaker 1>done before she died or after she died. You'll be

0:26:35.880 --> 0:26:39.960
<v Speaker 1>able to tell that was it done with a scalpa blade?

0:26:39.960 --> 0:26:42.040
<v Speaker 1>Like what's going on there? How was it removed? Because

0:26:42.440 --> 0:26:47.040
<v Speaker 1>it's not like I could just make an incision, you know,

0:26:47.240 --> 0:26:50.399
<v Speaker 1>right now on somebody's abdomen and pull out their spleen

0:26:50.440 --> 0:26:53.080
<v Speaker 1>pretty easily with like a single incision and just stick

0:26:53.119 --> 0:26:55.120
<v Speaker 1>my as long as it's wide enough for my hand

0:26:55.200 --> 0:26:58.080
<v Speaker 1>to fit through, right. But the heart is a little

0:26:58.080 --> 0:27:00.600
<v Speaker 1>bit more difficult to get to because it's underneath of

0:27:00.680 --> 0:27:04.400
<v Speaker 1>the rib cage. You can get to it that way,

0:27:04.480 --> 0:27:07.399
<v Speaker 1>I suppose, but you'd have to really like stick your

0:27:07.400 --> 0:27:09.480
<v Speaker 1>whole arm up in there and get it out, and

0:27:09.520 --> 0:27:12.000
<v Speaker 1>it wouldn't come out that clean, honestly, because I've had

0:27:12.080 --> 0:27:14.240
<v Speaker 1>to do it like that a couple times without cracking

0:27:14.320 --> 0:27:16.920
<v Speaker 1>the chest. But usually when we take out the heart,

0:27:16.960 --> 0:27:19.879
<v Speaker 1>we removed the entire front of the rib cage. So

0:27:21.080 --> 0:27:24.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm assuming that there's more extensive things than just her

0:27:24.040 --> 0:27:27.480
<v Speaker 1>heart's missing and everything else is there in place like it,

0:27:27.520 --> 0:27:30.399
<v Speaker 1>and that would require a pretty big incision to do that,

0:27:31.560 --> 0:27:34.159
<v Speaker 1>and it would be a lot different looking than a

0:27:34.160 --> 0:27:37.520
<v Speaker 1>surgical incision to access the heart. So I guess what

0:27:37.600 --> 0:27:38.520
<v Speaker 1>are the options here.

0:27:38.560 --> 0:27:41.280
<v Speaker 2>It's like option A was they did the autopsy and

0:27:41.280 --> 0:27:43.800
<v Speaker 2>they took it out but didn't report it, or B

0:27:44.080 --> 0:27:46.600
<v Speaker 2>somebody did it and took it out and stole it.

0:27:46.680 --> 0:27:50.560
<v Speaker 1>Like I'm just confused. Well, it we could say for

0:27:50.640 --> 0:27:54.280
<v Speaker 1>sure that it's missing, so it's somewhere. That's something we

0:27:54.480 --> 0:27:57.480
<v Speaker 1>say for sure. So number one, I would say she

0:27:57.600 --> 0:28:00.360
<v Speaker 1>had it. So sometimes when we do an autopsy, we

0:28:00.520 --> 0:28:03.320
<v Speaker 1>keep some of the organs in jars because we want

0:28:03.320 --> 0:28:05.280
<v Speaker 1>to be able to go back to it if we

0:28:05.320 --> 0:28:07.560
<v Speaker 1>need to look at it again. Because once you take

0:28:07.600 --> 0:28:11.280
<v Speaker 1>out someone's organs and then you send their body back

0:28:11.320 --> 0:28:14.560
<v Speaker 1>to the funeral home, then you don't have access to

0:28:14.600 --> 0:28:17.399
<v Speaker 1>their body or their organs anymore. And sometimes when you

0:28:17.440 --> 0:28:19.400
<v Speaker 1>look at the microscope side, you won't get them back

0:28:19.440 --> 0:28:22.200
<v Speaker 1>for a few days after the autopsy. You might see

0:28:22.240 --> 0:28:24.040
<v Speaker 1>something and you're like, oh, no, I want to look

0:28:24.080 --> 0:28:26.480
<v Speaker 1>at more of the heart because this looks a little suspicious,

0:28:26.480 --> 0:28:27.800
<v Speaker 1>and I might be able to look at more of

0:28:27.840 --> 0:28:30.520
<v Speaker 1>the organ to figure out exactly what happened. But if

0:28:30.560 --> 0:28:33.040
<v Speaker 1>you don't have that tissue with you at the MORG,

0:28:33.480 --> 0:28:37.840
<v Speaker 1>then you're kind of beat. So sometimes usually you don't

0:28:37.920 --> 0:28:40.120
<v Speaker 1>keep a whole organ. Most of the time you have

0:28:40.160 --> 0:28:42.200
<v Speaker 1>what's called a stock jar, and it's a jar that's

0:28:42.200 --> 0:28:45.440
<v Speaker 1>just labeled with the patient's name, and it just has

0:28:45.800 --> 0:28:47.760
<v Speaker 1>a piece of the liver, a piece of the lung,

0:28:47.800 --> 0:28:51.480
<v Speaker 1>a piece of the heart. But there's times where you

0:28:51.520 --> 0:28:53.360
<v Speaker 1>would keep the whole heart too, if it was some

0:28:53.480 --> 0:28:57.440
<v Speaker 1>kind of anatomic weird thing or just there's all different

0:28:57.440 --> 0:29:00.400
<v Speaker 1>reasons and people do all different kinds of things, So

0:29:00.480 --> 0:29:04.320
<v Speaker 1>that's a possibility. The other possibility is like, I don't

0:29:04.320 --> 0:29:06.440
<v Speaker 1>know what goes on in Turkey, Like I don't I

0:29:06.480 --> 0:29:08.920
<v Speaker 1>don't even I don't know how medicine is practiced there

0:29:08.960 --> 0:29:12.640
<v Speaker 1>or anything. But it's possible that they harvested her heart

0:29:12.680 --> 0:29:15.360
<v Speaker 1>for some kind of transplant or something like that. I

0:29:15.360 --> 0:29:18.600
<v Speaker 1>don't know what the permissions are that they need. I

0:29:18.600 --> 0:29:20.200
<v Speaker 1>don't know about any of that, like a like a

0:29:20.280 --> 0:29:24.520
<v Speaker 1>transplant organ. So there are the two things that I

0:29:24.560 --> 0:29:27.760
<v Speaker 1>could think of would happen. But I mean, you can't

0:29:27.840 --> 0:29:30.440
<v Speaker 1>argue with the corner in the UK. That's saying it's

0:29:30.480 --> 0:29:34.680
<v Speaker 1>not there. So something happened. Now we let's talk about

0:29:34.680 --> 0:29:36.840
<v Speaker 1>how she died anyway, because she's twenty eight, So you're

0:29:36.920 --> 0:29:39.400
<v Speaker 1>just like, okay, she's young, and she shouldn't have died

0:29:39.440 --> 0:29:42.240
<v Speaker 1>at twenty eight years old. But she did say that

0:29:42.280 --> 0:29:45.840
<v Speaker 1>she thought she had food poisoning. So anytime you think

0:29:45.840 --> 0:29:47.920
<v Speaker 1>you have food poisoning, why do you say that, because

0:29:47.920 --> 0:29:50.800
<v Speaker 1>you're like either throwing up or shitting your brains out right,

0:29:51.000 --> 0:29:55.720
<v Speaker 1>That's okay. So she clearly had some kind of infection

0:29:55.960 --> 0:29:57.760
<v Speaker 1>or thought she had some kind of infection if she

0:29:57.880 --> 0:30:00.680
<v Speaker 1>was having GI symptoms like that. And then the fact

0:30:00.760 --> 0:30:03.360
<v Speaker 1>that they said the next day that she was getting

0:30:03.560 --> 0:30:07.200
<v Speaker 1>like she was fatigue and she was what was the

0:30:07.240 --> 0:30:11.040
<v Speaker 1>exact word they used, delirious. Yeah, that to me is

0:30:11.120 --> 0:30:13.840
<v Speaker 1>like this person had a really bad fever. That's kind

0:30:13.880 --> 0:30:16.440
<v Speaker 1>of a thing that you would see in that situation, right,

0:30:16.840 --> 0:30:20.920
<v Speaker 1>So she could have just really been sick. Went to

0:30:21.000 --> 0:30:24.640
<v Speaker 1>the hospital. Now, her husband saying that she's allergic to penicillin,

0:30:24.680 --> 0:30:27.520
<v Speaker 1>and that sometimes is the first drug that they would

0:30:27.560 --> 0:30:31.920
<v Speaker 1>give people in certain infections. So I don't know if

0:30:31.920 --> 0:30:34.600
<v Speaker 1>they knew that they could have given her that it depends.

0:30:34.760 --> 0:30:37.720
<v Speaker 1>You could have an allergy to penicillin where you get

0:30:37.760 --> 0:30:40.200
<v Speaker 1>hives all the way till you get enophylactic shock and

0:30:40.240 --> 0:30:43.040
<v Speaker 1>it could kill you. So like that could be a possibility.

0:30:43.360 --> 0:30:46.440
<v Speaker 1>But they're saying that she had her she had cardiac

0:30:46.480 --> 0:30:49.800
<v Speaker 1>arrest because she had multi system organ failure, and that's

0:30:49.840 --> 0:30:52.320
<v Speaker 1>definitely something you could see with something like sepsis from

0:30:52.400 --> 0:30:56.960
<v Speaker 1>a bacterial infection. So this is all possible that there's

0:30:57.000 --> 0:30:59.840
<v Speaker 1>nothing really like nefarious going on here, but it is.

0:31:00.720 --> 0:31:03.080
<v Speaker 1>It's weird, and this is one of the always the

0:31:03.200 --> 0:31:05.480
<v Speaker 1>concerns you have when you travel to another country because

0:31:05.480 --> 0:31:07.280
<v Speaker 1>they don't do things the way that you're used to,

0:31:07.440 --> 0:31:10.040
<v Speaker 1>and then you start to get sus because of the

0:31:10.040 --> 0:31:11.000
<v Speaker 1>way things are handled.

0:31:11.520 --> 0:31:13.960
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, especially if they're not like owning up to

0:31:14.040 --> 0:31:16.080
<v Speaker 2>the paper trail of what happened in her heart, Like

0:31:16.320 --> 0:31:19.360
<v Speaker 2>was it something non nefarious, like they took it out

0:31:19.360 --> 0:31:22.440
<v Speaker 2>to do a transplant because that's normal over there, or

0:31:22.480 --> 0:31:24.560
<v Speaker 2>like did somebody take it out on the sneak tip

0:31:24.640 --> 0:31:27.080
<v Speaker 2>to try to like sell it or anything.

0:31:27.160 --> 0:31:30.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Like you just don't know, you just don't know anything.

0:31:30.400 --> 0:31:32.520
<v Speaker 1>Or is it just simply sitting in the lab because

0:31:33.640 --> 0:31:34.680
<v Speaker 1>because that's what you do.

0:31:34.960 --> 0:31:35.480
<v Speaker 2>I don't.

0:31:35.560 --> 0:31:38.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm not exactly sure like what that's about, but I

0:31:38.880 --> 0:31:40.840
<v Speaker 1>mean I feel bad for the guy because it's already

0:31:40.880 --> 0:31:43.160
<v Speaker 1>bad enough that you have to experience that on vacation

0:31:43.320 --> 0:31:47.120
<v Speaker 1>with with your young wife dying like that tragically and

0:31:47.160 --> 0:31:50.160
<v Speaker 1>then have to deal with that is you know, because

0:31:50.200 --> 0:31:52.040
<v Speaker 1>you're like, well, what did they do to her body?

0:31:52.120 --> 0:31:52.960
<v Speaker 1>That did that?

0:31:53.080 --> 0:31:55.920
<v Speaker 2>I didn't agree to kind of you know, yeah, absolutely

0:31:56.560 --> 0:31:59.480
<v Speaker 2>all right. So in Pennsylvania, this woman's eleven year old

0:31:59.480 --> 0:32:02.000
<v Speaker 2>son fell off an ATV and was diagnosed with a

0:32:02.040 --> 0:32:05.240
<v Speaker 2>brain bleed, but despite medical advice, she took the boy

0:32:05.280 --> 0:32:08.000
<v Speaker 2>out of the hospital, removed his ivy and his neck brace,

0:32:08.040 --> 0:32:09.440
<v Speaker 2>then dropped him off at school.

0:32:10.160 --> 0:32:14.040
<v Speaker 1>So he was diagnosed with something called a retroclibal hematoma,

0:32:14.080 --> 0:32:17.480
<v Speaker 1>which is a rare kind of brain bleed actually that

0:32:17.640 --> 0:32:21.920
<v Speaker 1>happens in kids most commonly associated with motor vehicle accidents,

0:32:22.000 --> 0:32:27.320
<v Speaker 1>especially when there's like a whiplash situation, like it's severe

0:32:27.440 --> 0:32:31.040
<v Speaker 1>cervical flexion and extension injury, so your head's going forward

0:32:31.400 --> 0:32:34.440
<v Speaker 1>really fast and back really fast in a short period

0:32:34.520 --> 0:32:39.600
<v Speaker 1>of time, and the it causes this bleed that he had. Okay,

0:32:39.680 --> 0:32:42.960
<v Speaker 1>so he's eleven years old. He goes to the hospital

0:32:43.600 --> 0:32:46.960
<v Speaker 1>and so I'm not really sure exactly how this went down,

0:32:47.040 --> 0:32:49.520
<v Speaker 1>but it seems like the doctors were like, we want

0:32:49.520 --> 0:32:53.880
<v Speaker 1>to airlift him to Children's Hospital in Pittsburgh, and she said, no,

0:32:54.120 --> 0:32:59.200
<v Speaker 1>I would rather drive him. Now, to me, that's it's

0:32:59.200 --> 0:33:02.440
<v Speaker 1>suspicions suspicious right away, because I think any parent that

0:33:02.480 --> 0:33:05.880
<v Speaker 1>has a kid that like needs some kind of care

0:33:06.000 --> 0:33:07.840
<v Speaker 1>that they're saying, I mean, when they say they want

0:33:07.880 --> 0:33:11.320
<v Speaker 1>to airlift your child somewhere, that's really bad, something really

0:33:11.320 --> 0:33:16.360
<v Speaker 1>bad's happening right that you would decline that. I mean,

0:33:16.760 --> 0:33:19.000
<v Speaker 1>the only situation I'm just trying to look at the

0:33:19.040 --> 0:33:21.080
<v Speaker 1>other side of things, Like, the only situation I could

0:33:21.080 --> 0:33:23.840
<v Speaker 1>say that she might refuse it is because she that

0:33:24.080 --> 0:33:26.720
<v Speaker 1>could probably cost so much money and maybe she didn't

0:33:26.720 --> 0:33:29.040
<v Speaker 1>have insurance or and she was like, no, I'll just

0:33:29.160 --> 0:33:32.840
<v Speaker 1>drive home. I personally, this is my question, Like, I

0:33:32.840 --> 0:33:35.719
<v Speaker 1>don't even understand how the hospital's legally allowed to let

0:33:35.800 --> 0:33:39.840
<v Speaker 1>a kid leave in that situation. It's just a child,

0:33:39.880 --> 0:33:42.520
<v Speaker 1>like an adult. Whatever you leave against medical advice, you

0:33:42.560 --> 0:33:44.920
<v Speaker 1>should not be able to sign a child out against

0:33:45.000 --> 0:33:49.000
<v Speaker 1>medical advice. And I'm actually curious about this because I

0:33:49.560 --> 0:33:54.120
<v Speaker 1>just don't believe that this is that that is even possible.

0:33:54.160 --> 0:33:57.600
<v Speaker 1>And I'm curious if the people working there might get

0:33:57.600 --> 0:33:59.520
<v Speaker 1>in some kind of trouble for this too or something.

0:33:59.520 --> 0:34:02.880
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, but anyway, Yeah, so they had an

0:34:02.880 --> 0:34:05.560
<v Speaker 1>ib in him, a neck brace on him, and they

0:34:05.560 --> 0:34:08.840
<v Speaker 1>were like, do not take this off until you get

0:34:08.880 --> 0:34:13.040
<v Speaker 1>to the hospital and whatever. She just she really, like

0:34:13.120 --> 0:34:14.920
<v Speaker 1>in the parking lot, like took it all off and

0:34:14.960 --> 0:34:17.479
<v Speaker 1>sent him to school the next day. So the kids

0:34:17.520 --> 0:34:20.040
<v Speaker 1>in school he has a traumatic brain injury, and he

0:34:20.480 --> 0:34:23.040
<v Speaker 1>obviously has a headache and is vomiting and stuff like that,

0:34:23.080 --> 0:34:26.440
<v Speaker 1>and the nurse realizes what's going on, and then he

0:34:26.520 --> 0:34:29.320
<v Speaker 1>was airlifted to the children's hospital right from school.

0:34:30.520 --> 0:34:33.760
<v Speaker 2>It's just so ridiculous. So she's facing charges of endangering

0:34:33.760 --> 0:34:36.960
<v Speaker 2>the welfare of a child and reckless endangering of another person.

0:34:37.520 --> 0:34:40.359
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I agree with you one hundred percent that like,

0:34:40.719 --> 0:34:43.320
<v Speaker 2>if it's a miner and they're in such severe condition

0:34:43.440 --> 0:34:45.560
<v Speaker 2>like that, they should not legally be allowed to be

0:34:45.600 --> 0:34:48.400
<v Speaker 2>discharged from the hospital. But I guess, like, do you

0:34:48.440 --> 0:34:51.600
<v Speaker 2>think she did it because of health insurance purposes or

0:34:51.680 --> 0:34:53.719
<v Speaker 2>like she just truly I would give a shit I

0:34:53.719 --> 0:34:56.719
<v Speaker 2>would say that, I would say that, but honestly, like

0:34:58.160 --> 0:35:02.120
<v Speaker 2>her actions afterwards say to me, no, she just didn't

0:35:02.160 --> 0:35:04.160
<v Speaker 2>think it was that big of a deal and blew

0:35:04.200 --> 0:35:07.200
<v Speaker 2>them off, because if, like, if she was doing it

0:35:07.239 --> 0:35:08.719
<v Speaker 2>for health insurance.

0:35:08.680 --> 0:35:10.759
<v Speaker 1>Then I'm assuming she would have just put them in

0:35:10.800 --> 0:35:12.680
<v Speaker 1>the car and brought them where they said to go. Like,

0:35:12.760 --> 0:35:16.320
<v Speaker 1>why the doctors aren't exaggerating, they're telling you that he

0:35:16.400 --> 0:35:20.040
<v Speaker 1>needs to be metavacted. I just think that if if

0:35:20.080 --> 0:35:22.920
<v Speaker 1>the doctors determine a child needs to be METAVAC somewhere,

0:35:23.000 --> 0:35:26.720
<v Speaker 1>that should just be like that's happening. Because while I'm.

0:35:26.560 --> 0:35:29.120
<v Speaker 2>Saying she might not have had health insurance, and she's like,

0:35:29.160 --> 0:35:31.560
<v Speaker 2>I don't I don't think it's that bad, so I

0:35:31.560 --> 0:35:33.759
<v Speaker 2>don't want the bill. So that's why she didn't get

0:35:33.880 --> 0:35:34.320
<v Speaker 2>the medicals.

0:35:34.480 --> 0:35:36.799
<v Speaker 1>Listen, It's possible that she just was like, I don't

0:35:36.800 --> 0:35:39.239
<v Speaker 1>think it that it's that bad. But guess what, Like,

0:35:39.320 --> 0:35:41.960
<v Speaker 1>you're an idiot and you deserve to be arrested for that,

0:35:42.080 --> 0:35:45.640
<v Speaker 1>because you can't just ignore doctor's advice like that, because

0:35:45.680 --> 0:35:49.600
<v Speaker 1>they were right, yeah, obviously, you know, you can't just say, yeah,

0:35:49.640 --> 0:35:52.759
<v Speaker 1>I think you're exaggerating, like and listen, like, I'm sure

0:35:52.760 --> 0:35:55.640
<v Speaker 1>there's plenty of times that doctors recommend certain things and

0:35:55.760 --> 0:35:58.600
<v Speaker 1>you could just be like, eh, I don't know if

0:35:58.600 --> 0:36:00.600
<v Speaker 1>we need to go that route right now, Like let's

0:36:00.640 --> 0:36:04.080
<v Speaker 1>just watch it on like minor issues for sure, you know,

0:36:04.280 --> 0:36:09.200
<v Speaker 1>like oh, like Lilian needed blood work once and or

0:36:09.280 --> 0:36:11.279
<v Speaker 1>she didn't need blood work. They were like, let's just

0:36:11.320 --> 0:36:12.800
<v Speaker 1>do blood work, and I was kind of like, no,

0:36:13.040 --> 0:36:15.120
<v Speaker 1>I think I think she's fine. Let's just keep an

0:36:15.120 --> 0:36:16.640
<v Speaker 1>eye on it kind of, you know what I mean, Like,

0:36:17.920 --> 0:36:21.879
<v Speaker 1>I think there's because the trauma that would induce would

0:36:21.920 --> 0:36:25.000
<v Speaker 1>be so much greater than what was needed at the time.

0:36:25.120 --> 0:36:28.000
<v Speaker 1>Right But when they're telling you like your kid has

0:36:28.080 --> 0:36:32.640
<v Speaker 1>like a potential deadly situation, then then I just don't

0:36:33.200 --> 0:36:34.839
<v Speaker 1>I don't know how that works in the hospital. I'm

0:36:34.840 --> 0:36:38.279
<v Speaker 1>sure one of you guys knowing you'll tell us. But yeah,

0:36:38.320 --> 0:36:43.399
<v Speaker 1>so she's in trouble. Good because you really shouldn't be

0:36:43.760 --> 0:36:45.640
<v Speaker 1>having a kid if you're not going to take care

0:36:45.680 --> 0:36:48.200
<v Speaker 1>of them in that situation. I mean, and I don't

0:36:48.239 --> 0:36:51.400
<v Speaker 1>know necessarily if it's an insurance situation, because why did

0:36:51.400 --> 0:36:56.640
<v Speaker 1>she bring him to the hospital in the first place, then.

0:36:54.719 --> 0:36:57.000
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, you know, like that's the only thing.

0:36:57.120 --> 0:36:59.680
<v Speaker 2>I mean, clearly she's an abusive mother, so like the

0:36:59.719 --> 0:37:02.160
<v Speaker 2>only thing I could think of was like she was like,

0:37:02.239 --> 0:37:04.200
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to pay all these medical bills, so

0:37:04.280 --> 0:37:08.200
<v Speaker 2>like your beat basically, yeah, but it still is a vake.

0:37:08.040 --> 0:37:12.680
<v Speaker 1>It right, No, she sucks, all right, So let's talk

0:37:12.719 --> 0:37:15.719
<v Speaker 1>about like weird things that you could pick up while

0:37:15.719 --> 0:37:17.239
<v Speaker 1>you're on vacation. Yeah.

0:37:17.280 --> 0:37:19.600
<v Speaker 2>So earlier this year, a family went to Costa Rica

0:37:19.640 --> 0:37:21.839
<v Speaker 2>and explored some bat caves, but when they got home,

0:37:21.920 --> 0:37:24.400
<v Speaker 2>they weren't feeling good, and it turns out they contracted

0:37:24.440 --> 0:37:26.080
<v Speaker 2>some crazy fungal disease.

0:37:26.840 --> 0:37:29.319
<v Speaker 1>All right, I don't like, listen, I'm all about like

0:37:29.480 --> 0:37:32.680
<v Speaker 1>visiting certain places and stuff, but bat caves, I don't know.

0:37:32.920 --> 0:37:35.440
<v Speaker 1>I just I'm telling all you guys right now, like

0:37:35.480 --> 0:37:38.960
<v Speaker 1>when there's environments where there's like birds and bats and

0:37:39.000 --> 0:37:42.200
<v Speaker 1>their shit is everywhere, I don't care about, like if

0:37:42.200 --> 0:37:44.600
<v Speaker 1>you're scared of them or whatever, like that their shit

0:37:44.719 --> 0:37:46.200
<v Speaker 1>carries diseases.

0:37:46.320 --> 0:37:48.120
<v Speaker 2>Well, I don't think a lot of people know this,

0:37:48.239 --> 0:37:50.800
<v Speaker 2>so that's probably why this situation happened.

0:37:51.360 --> 0:37:54.799
<v Speaker 1>So this is this is actually really interesting. So I

0:37:54.840 --> 0:37:58.080
<v Speaker 1>guess it was a family of thirteen people but it

0:37:58.200 --> 0:38:00.800
<v Speaker 1>ended up twelve of them got sick. But they visited

0:38:00.880 --> 0:38:05.440
<v Speaker 1>Costa Rica, and they were from a couple of different states,

0:38:05.480 --> 0:38:10.080
<v Speaker 1>including Georgia, Texas, and Washington. Right, So they all these

0:38:10.280 --> 0:38:13.200
<v Speaker 1>and all of the people that started getting symptoms. They

0:38:14.120 --> 0:38:16.799
<v Speaker 1>it started about eight to nineteen days after they were

0:38:16.800 --> 0:38:20.520
<v Speaker 1>on this trip. And obviously they're families, so they're all talking,

0:38:20.600 --> 0:38:23.480
<v Speaker 1>and they figured out pretty quickly that like it was

0:38:23.520 --> 0:38:26.080
<v Speaker 1>something that happened when they were on this trip. So

0:38:26.680 --> 0:38:29.400
<v Speaker 1>it was six adults and six kids. And the adults

0:38:29.520 --> 0:38:31.880
<v Speaker 1>ages were forty two to forty nine years old and

0:38:31.920 --> 0:38:35.120
<v Speaker 1>the kids were eight to sixteen. And the reason I

0:38:35.160 --> 0:38:37.239
<v Speaker 1>say that is because it's likely that all of these

0:38:37.280 --> 0:38:41.160
<v Speaker 1>people were considered to be healthy people. Right, So they

0:38:41.239 --> 0:38:45.200
<v Speaker 1>all start exhibiting these symptoms and they go to the hospital.

0:38:45.800 --> 0:38:49.239
<v Speaker 1>And the thing is is that sometimes when you have

0:38:49.719 --> 0:38:51.480
<v Speaker 1>one of these weird things that you pick up in

0:38:51.520 --> 0:38:54.760
<v Speaker 1>other countries, when you're in this country, it's more difficult

0:38:54.760 --> 0:38:57.680
<v Speaker 1>for doctors to pick it up. So they all ended

0:38:57.760 --> 0:39:03.399
<v Speaker 1>up getting diagnosed with this this weird fungus infection called histoplasmosis. Okay, now,

0:39:03.520 --> 0:39:07.040
<v Speaker 1>this so this is most common in the United States

0:39:07.080 --> 0:39:10.520
<v Speaker 1>and Mississippi and the Ohio River valleys. So if you

0:39:10.840 --> 0:39:14.239
<v Speaker 1>went with these certain symptoms, respiratory symptoms, you went to

0:39:14.880 --> 0:39:19.440
<v Speaker 1>the hospital in Mississippi, those doctors are gonna be more like, Okay,

0:39:19.600 --> 0:39:21.759
<v Speaker 1>we were looking for this because this is around here

0:39:21.800 --> 0:39:24.760
<v Speaker 1>all the time. But if you're in Georgia and Texas

0:39:24.800 --> 0:39:28.400
<v Speaker 1>and Washington, they the doctors there wouldn't be looking for

0:39:28.440 --> 0:39:32.719
<v Speaker 1>that because that's that's not that fungus isn't around there.

0:39:32.800 --> 0:39:36.800
<v Speaker 1>It's not around those particular areas. It also is present

0:39:36.880 --> 0:39:40.920
<v Speaker 1>in Africa, Asia, parts of Central and South America, and

0:39:41.000 --> 0:39:44.360
<v Speaker 1>it's a fungus that it occurs in poop guano. I

0:39:44.400 --> 0:39:46.480
<v Speaker 1>guess you would say, isn't that what isn't that what

0:39:46.520 --> 0:39:52.600
<v Speaker 1>batpoop's called from? The Hell's that movie Pettitative? Yeah, so

0:39:53.880 --> 0:39:56.880
<v Speaker 1>it's it's present in the poop of birds and bats,

0:39:56.960 --> 0:39:59.680
<v Speaker 1>and that's how you get it. Now, Usually when people

0:39:59.680 --> 0:40:02.399
<v Speaker 1>are exposed to this, they don't even Sometimes they don't

0:40:02.400 --> 0:40:04.120
<v Speaker 1>get symptoms at all, and if they do, they're like

0:40:04.200 --> 0:40:08.239
<v Speaker 1>mildly sick. Now, I'm thinking because they were in a

0:40:08.320 --> 0:40:12.840
<v Speaker 1>back cave that had like extra iguano to the max,

0:40:12.960 --> 0:40:15.440
<v Speaker 1>like they just had a lot of exposure to it

0:40:15.520 --> 0:40:18.600
<v Speaker 1>at one time, and that's why they were even showing

0:40:18.640 --> 0:40:22.520
<v Speaker 1>symptoms of it to begin with. But usually this particular

0:40:22.640 --> 0:40:26.719
<v Speaker 1>organism is a problem for people who are immunosuppressed, and

0:40:27.160 --> 0:40:29.480
<v Speaker 1>this could be people who have a history of cancer

0:40:29.560 --> 0:40:31.880
<v Speaker 1>and are on certain kind of medications that suppress the

0:40:31.880 --> 0:40:35.200
<v Speaker 1>immune system, or people with HIV or any kind of

0:40:35.239 --> 0:40:37.600
<v Speaker 1>autoimmune disease things like that, So those people are more

0:40:37.640 --> 0:40:41.080
<v Speaker 1>common to get sick with this and whatever. If you're

0:40:41.160 --> 0:40:43.600
<v Speaker 1>if you're a healthy person, you could just you could

0:40:43.680 --> 0:40:46.480
<v Speaker 1>just get treated and you'll be fine. But sometimes when

0:40:46.480 --> 0:40:50.280
<v Speaker 1>these people weaken immune systems, it could disseminate or spread

0:40:50.320 --> 0:40:52.600
<v Speaker 1>throughout your body and get under your skin and cause

0:40:52.640 --> 0:40:56.399
<v Speaker 1>these crazy nodules called granulemas, which is your body's way

0:40:56.400 --> 0:40:59.880
<v Speaker 1>of reacting to this foreign fungus in your body. And

0:41:00.160 --> 0:41:04.560
<v Speaker 1>it looks absolutely insane. I've done it for a mystery

0:41:04.600 --> 0:41:07.400
<v Speaker 1>diagnosis a couple of months ago. It's one of the

0:41:07.440 --> 0:41:10.840
<v Speaker 1>more disturbing things that could happen to a human being, honestly,

0:41:11.360 --> 0:41:13.680
<v Speaker 1>So these people are lucky that they were all fairly

0:41:13.760 --> 0:41:17.320
<v Speaker 1>young and healthy and they were able to get it recognized, treated,

0:41:17.920 --> 0:41:23.440
<v Speaker 1>and they're gonna be fine. It's interesting though. I think

0:41:23.480 --> 0:41:25.920
<v Speaker 1>probably if one of them got diagnosed with it, that

0:41:25.960 --> 0:41:28.000
<v Speaker 1>would have helped a whole lot of other doctors that

0:41:28.040 --> 0:41:30.160
<v Speaker 1>were treating these people trying to figure out what was

0:41:30.200 --> 0:41:33.319
<v Speaker 1>going on, because it might take a couple of days

0:41:33.320 --> 0:41:35.719
<v Speaker 1>to diagnose something like this. Because I'm saying it's like

0:41:35.880 --> 0:41:38.960
<v Speaker 1>unusual in these parts of the country. Yeah, I mean,

0:41:39.280 --> 0:41:41.160
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna talk about this in the next story too,

0:41:41.200 --> 0:41:42.960
<v Speaker 1>but like, how do you know to even look for

0:41:43.040 --> 0:41:46.120
<v Speaker 1>it if you don't really realize that's the thing. Well,

0:41:46.160 --> 0:41:49.880
<v Speaker 1>it causes certain findings, for sure, But the thing is

0:41:49.880 --> 0:41:52.759
<v Speaker 1>is that depending on what part of the country you're in,

0:41:53.320 --> 0:41:56.799
<v Speaker 1>when a person comes in, you're gonna set the first thing.

0:41:56.880 --> 0:42:00.000
<v Speaker 1>There's always a million possibilities of what a person can

0:42:00.200 --> 0:42:02.080
<v Speaker 1>walk in with, but you're always thinking, like what are

0:42:02.080 --> 0:42:05.880
<v Speaker 1>the most common things? Think about that with Gene Hackman's

0:42:05.920 --> 0:42:08.520
<v Speaker 1>wife and the haunt of virus, Like she was living

0:42:08.600 --> 0:42:11.120
<v Speaker 1>in an area that people get haunt of virus, But

0:42:11.160 --> 0:42:14.200
<v Speaker 1>at the same time, like what was it like five

0:42:14.239 --> 0:42:16.319
<v Speaker 1>people a year get it or something crazy, like a

0:42:16.440 --> 0:42:19.080
<v Speaker 1>very small amount of people get it a year. So

0:42:19.680 --> 0:42:22.320
<v Speaker 1>but in that area, if you showed up with certain

0:42:22.360 --> 0:42:25.520
<v Speaker 1>symptoms they might say, oh, maybe this is this because

0:42:25.600 --> 0:42:27.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, they get this is why they ask you

0:42:27.960 --> 0:42:30.520
<v Speaker 1>some information when you go to the hospital, the biggest

0:42:30.520 --> 0:42:33.640
<v Speaker 1>one being have you traveled recently? Because that keys them

0:42:33.640 --> 0:42:36.200
<v Speaker 1>in to know where you've been lately. And if they

0:42:36.239 --> 0:42:39.120
<v Speaker 1>say to someone like Gene Hackman's life, like if she's like, oh, yeah,

0:42:39.160 --> 0:42:40.799
<v Speaker 1>we have a lot of rodents on the property, they

0:42:40.840 --> 0:42:43.960
<v Speaker 1>would be like, Okay, well that virus verdence. Let's work

0:42:43.960 --> 0:42:46.160
<v Speaker 1>her up for this. But like if that happened in

0:42:46.200 --> 0:42:48.960
<v Speaker 1>New Jersey, nobody would be thinking about that because that

0:42:49.000 --> 0:42:52.480
<v Speaker 1>doesn't happen around here. So it's not that it can't.

0:42:52.880 --> 0:42:55.120
<v Speaker 1>It's not that I can't go to New Mexico on

0:42:55.200 --> 0:42:57.560
<v Speaker 1>vacation and then come home and have it. It's just less.

0:42:58.120 --> 0:43:01.560
<v Speaker 1>It's not on the doctor's first on their mind at first,

0:43:01.760 --> 0:43:06.120
<v Speaker 1>compared to other things that can present in the same way. Yeah, totally.

0:43:07.600 --> 0:43:11.920
<v Speaker 2>All right, this one, this story is right up your alley. Yeah, Well,

0:43:11.960 --> 0:43:15.279
<v Speaker 2>we've had so many IVF stories lately, I guess. I

0:43:15.320 --> 0:43:18.439
<v Speaker 2>mean it's been around for decades, but just lately there's

0:43:18.520 --> 0:43:21.120
<v Speaker 2>just been so many stories of errors or like weird

0:43:21.160 --> 0:43:23.879
<v Speaker 2>things that have happened. But in this case, these two

0:43:23.920 --> 0:43:26.360
<v Speaker 2>families had reached out to their clinic letting them know

0:43:26.440 --> 0:43:30.000
<v Speaker 2>that their child developed cancer linked to a rare genetic mutation.

0:43:30.640 --> 0:43:34.160
<v Speaker 2>So of course the clinic starts investigating exactly what happened,

0:43:34.520 --> 0:43:36.840
<v Speaker 2>and they see these kids have the same sperm donor,

0:43:37.080 --> 0:43:39.480
<v Speaker 2>so they start looking into other families that use this

0:43:39.520 --> 0:43:43.120
<v Speaker 2>sperm donor, which, by the way, sixty seven children were

0:43:43.200 --> 0:43:46.480
<v Speaker 2>conceived by the same sperm donor, and they found out

0:43:46.520 --> 0:43:48.759
<v Speaker 2>that twenty three of the kids had the gene which

0:43:48.800 --> 0:43:51.640
<v Speaker 2>is called TP fifty three, and ten of those kids

0:43:51.640 --> 0:43:55.200
<v Speaker 2>have already been diagnosed with cancers like leukemia, not Hodgkins,

0:43:55.280 --> 0:43:59.399
<v Speaker 2>lymphoma and other ones. Wow, this is this is a lot,

0:43:59.440 --> 0:44:01.600
<v Speaker 2>so let's start. Let's back up with the kids.

0:44:01.600 --> 0:44:05.200
<v Speaker 1>So the kids, these people either had IV effort, they

0:44:05.239 --> 0:44:09.560
<v Speaker 1>could have had IUI too, right, like yeah, whatever, they

0:44:09.640 --> 0:44:13.040
<v Speaker 1>have a baby with a sperm donor, and so they go.

0:44:13.239 --> 0:44:16.880
<v Speaker 1>The kid gets diagnosed with cancer and at the hospital

0:44:16.880 --> 0:44:19.520
<v Speaker 1>in the lab, they'll tect the check the cancer to

0:44:19.560 --> 0:44:22.759
<v Speaker 1>see if the patient has any kind of genetic mutations,

0:44:22.760 --> 0:44:25.719
<v Speaker 1>and that's how they figured this out. So when you

0:44:25.760 --> 0:44:30.480
<v Speaker 1>find out that you have a genetic mutation under traditional circumstances,

0:44:30.520 --> 0:44:32.960
<v Speaker 1>you would say, Okay, well it's the husband or wife,

0:44:32.960 --> 0:44:35.640
<v Speaker 1>but when it's coming from a donor, you have to

0:44:35.640 --> 0:44:37.839
<v Speaker 1>go to them. And that's exactly they did the right thing,

0:44:37.880 --> 0:44:41.120
<v Speaker 1>and they went to the sperm bank to say, this

0:44:41.200 --> 0:44:44.839
<v Speaker 1>is what happened. And it is crazy to think that

0:44:45.640 --> 0:44:47.560
<v Speaker 1>because we'll get into this a little bit later at

0:44:47.560 --> 0:44:51.480
<v Speaker 1>the end of the story, that sperm is being used

0:44:51.560 --> 0:44:56.080
<v Speaker 1>for sixty sixty seven times for sixty seven different babies.

0:44:56.760 --> 0:45:00.160
<v Speaker 1>It does bring up a lot of questions because no

0:45:00.600 --> 0:45:04.719
<v Speaker 1>normal person has anywhere near that many babies, right, So

0:45:05.600 --> 0:45:07.479
<v Speaker 1>aside from that, I just never I don't know why

0:45:07.520 --> 0:45:10.480
<v Speaker 1>I never. I never really think about that, but well

0:45:10.560 --> 0:45:13.560
<v Speaker 1>I never really have either, But I mean it makes

0:45:13.600 --> 0:45:17.960
<v Speaker 1>sense when so when a guy goes and donates his

0:45:18.120 --> 0:45:21.520
<v Speaker 1>sperm to a sperm bank, they do check for certain things,

0:45:21.520 --> 0:45:24.319
<v Speaker 1>and they get an extensive family history and this and that.

0:45:24.719 --> 0:45:28.080
<v Speaker 1>But like we've talked about this many times before, they

0:45:28.200 --> 0:45:31.800
<v Speaker 1>check for most common things. They they don't They can't

0:45:31.920 --> 0:45:34.920
<v Speaker 1>check for everything like does this guy carry the cystic

0:45:35.000 --> 0:45:38.000
<v Speaker 1>fibrosis gene because that's a common one, Like things like that.

0:45:38.400 --> 0:45:41.879
<v Speaker 1>They can't check for every single genetic variant because it's

0:45:41.920 --> 0:45:45.279
<v Speaker 1>just not it's not happening. There's just there's so many

0:45:45.400 --> 0:45:49.799
<v Speaker 1>endless possibilities. So this particular one that this guy has,

0:45:49.960 --> 0:45:53.279
<v Speaker 1>they didn't check for. And they said even when some

0:45:53.360 --> 0:45:56.200
<v Speaker 1>of these babies were born, they didn't even know that

0:45:56.280 --> 0:46:00.439
<v Speaker 1>this particular gene mutation was responsible for cancer. So even

0:46:00.520 --> 0:46:04.560
<v Speaker 1>if they did know, they still wouldn't have advised against

0:46:04.680 --> 0:46:07.319
<v Speaker 1>using it because they didn't know at the time. So,

0:46:08.080 --> 0:46:11.480
<v Speaker 1>as Maria was saying, there's twenty three kids are test

0:46:11.560 --> 0:46:13.759
<v Speaker 1>positive for this mutation, and ten of them have been

0:46:13.800 --> 0:46:16.920
<v Speaker 1>diagnosed with leukemia, which is a cancer of the blood cells,

0:46:17.640 --> 0:46:21.280
<v Speaker 1>non Hodgkins lymphoma, which is a cancer of lymphatic cells,

0:46:21.280 --> 0:46:24.920
<v Speaker 1>which could be in the lymphodes or other organs. And

0:46:25.520 --> 0:46:27.680
<v Speaker 1>the scary thing is is that some of these cancers

0:46:27.719 --> 0:46:30.360
<v Speaker 1>will kill these kids like they I mean, some kids

0:46:30.360 --> 0:46:34.640
<v Speaker 1>can survive leukemia and non Hodgkins lymphoma, depending on which

0:46:34.640 --> 0:46:37.640
<v Speaker 1>type it is, and some kids don't. It just depends

0:46:37.640 --> 0:46:39.560
<v Speaker 1>what type it is, and it it depends how they

0:46:39.560 --> 0:46:43.520
<v Speaker 1>respond to treatment, And it is scary to not know

0:46:43.920 --> 0:46:47.440
<v Speaker 1>that that something like that is there. I mean, I

0:46:47.440 --> 0:46:50.239
<v Speaker 1>guess a lot of people have that situation though, that

0:46:50.239 --> 0:46:53.040
<v Speaker 1>they find out that they have a gene with you know,

0:46:53.040 --> 0:46:55.080
<v Speaker 1>they have a baby with somebody, and then that person

0:46:55.160 --> 0:46:58.000
<v Speaker 1>has a weird thing that they're carrying and stuff like that.

0:46:58.040 --> 0:46:59.960
<v Speaker 1>So there's never going to be a way to hunt

0:47:00.040 --> 0:47:05.000
<v Speaker 1>undred percent prevent something like this. But someone had brought

0:47:05.120 --> 0:47:08.120
<v Speaker 1>up with the sperm sperm donors. Now getting back to

0:47:08.200 --> 0:47:11.719
<v Speaker 1>this guy having all of these children and donating to

0:47:11.800 --> 0:47:18.080
<v Speaker 1>all of these these pregnancies, that there's they they are

0:47:18.120 --> 0:47:22.040
<v Speaker 1>advising against it because they're saying, not every guy has

0:47:22.280 --> 0:47:25.800
<v Speaker 1>sixty seven kids. Right, So now, like if this was

0:47:25.840 --> 0:47:30.400
<v Speaker 1>a regular situation where this guy was just having sex

0:47:30.440 --> 0:47:33.680
<v Speaker 1>with a woman and having three kids, let's say you

0:47:33.719 --> 0:47:37.280
<v Speaker 1>would only put three of these mutations into the world,

0:47:38.040 --> 0:47:41.759
<v Speaker 1>and that's and then you know, that's it. Now it's

0:47:41.800 --> 0:47:45.480
<v Speaker 1>like you're put you put sixty seven people possibly have

0:47:45.600 --> 0:47:47.680
<v Speaker 1>these mutations, you know what I mean, into the world,

0:47:47.760 --> 0:47:52.239
<v Speaker 1>and it's like you're you're it's an abnormal dissemination of

0:47:52.280 --> 0:47:55.760
<v Speaker 1>genetic disease when it doesn't when naturally it wouldn't occur

0:47:55.840 --> 0:47:57.200
<v Speaker 1>that way. Does that make sense?

0:47:57.640 --> 0:48:00.000
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, of course. And then I guess this quote

0:48:00.200 --> 0:48:03.279
<v Speaker 2>from the clinic said, this is why we have proactively

0:48:03.320 --> 0:48:07.320
<v Speaker 2>implemented our own international limit of seventy five families per donor.

0:48:07.360 --> 0:48:10.759
<v Speaker 2>That is an incredibly large amount of families. I feel

0:48:10.800 --> 0:48:13.000
<v Speaker 2>like it needs to be way smaller, like you're saying,

0:48:13.320 --> 0:48:16.319
<v Speaker 2>and earlier when you were talking about like obviously these

0:48:16.719 --> 0:48:19.120
<v Speaker 2>traits could come up earlier and stuff I wanted to

0:48:19.960 --> 0:48:22.719
<v Speaker 2>I was thinking about it because they were saying in

0:48:22.760 --> 0:48:25.640
<v Speaker 2>the article that even though they test the sperm, they

0:48:25.680 --> 0:48:27.879
<v Speaker 2>can't test for things they don't know they're looking for,

0:48:27.960 --> 0:48:30.759
<v Speaker 2>except for the obvious things that you were talking about.

0:48:30.840 --> 0:48:32.160
<v Speaker 1>But what if on.

0:48:32.120 --> 0:48:34.719
<v Speaker 2>A case like this, somebody donates their sperm and they

0:48:34.880 --> 0:48:37.839
<v Speaker 2>lie about having a mutation they're aware of, or they

0:48:37.880 --> 0:48:39.920
<v Speaker 2>lie about a family history of a disease because they

0:48:39.920 --> 0:48:40.960
<v Speaker 2>don't want to be turned down.

0:48:41.360 --> 0:48:44.120
<v Speaker 1>Because a lot of completely possible because people are doing

0:48:44.160 --> 0:48:45.960
<v Speaker 1>it for mine. I mean, they don't get for mud

0:48:46.040 --> 0:48:46.359
<v Speaker 1>a lot.

0:48:46.440 --> 0:48:49.280
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, but I feel like a lot of college

0:48:49.360 --> 0:48:52.920
<v Speaker 2>kids do it because it's quick cash. And why would

0:48:52.920 --> 0:48:55.040
<v Speaker 2>you be honest about it if there was a potential

0:48:55.120 --> 0:48:56.359
<v Speaker 2>you were going to be shot down?

0:48:56.880 --> 0:48:59.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean that's that's always something. And they're like,

0:49:00.400 --> 0:49:04.319
<v Speaker 1>they only test for so much, so you know, Yeah,

0:49:04.360 --> 0:49:07.439
<v Speaker 1>I mean, actually it is scary. It is scary because

0:49:07.480 --> 0:49:10.880
<v Speaker 1>you don't know, like and and then you have people

0:49:10.920 --> 0:49:14.160
<v Speaker 1>that are donating that aren't medical people Like I feel

0:49:14.200 --> 0:49:16.880
<v Speaker 1>like if someone asked me, do you have a family

0:49:16.960 --> 0:49:19.359
<v Speaker 1>history of everything? I just think, like all the way

0:49:19.400 --> 0:49:21.479
<v Speaker 1>back to all the stories I've ever heard and things

0:49:21.480 --> 0:49:23.759
<v Speaker 1>that I think are relative which other people might not

0:49:23.840 --> 0:49:28.279
<v Speaker 1>think are relative, or so like stuff like that. But

0:49:28.760 --> 0:49:29.560
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

0:49:29.960 --> 0:49:32.200
<v Speaker 2>I don't know a lot of a lot of families too,

0:49:32.600 --> 0:49:36.480
<v Speaker 2>are not open about when things are wrong in their family, right,

0:49:36.520 --> 0:49:39.479
<v Speaker 2>Like you might know a family member has something wrong

0:49:39.520 --> 0:49:41.600
<v Speaker 2>with them, and then you inquire about it because you're

0:49:41.600 --> 0:49:44.400
<v Speaker 2>like thinking about starting a family, and then you know

0:49:44.480 --> 0:49:47.000
<v Speaker 2>you have your aunt just like being like, oh, they're

0:49:47.040 --> 0:49:49.040
<v Speaker 2>just silly, and it's like, no, but what's wrong with

0:49:49.080 --> 0:49:49.600
<v Speaker 2>this person?

0:49:49.760 --> 0:49:52.239
<v Speaker 1>Like I want to know? Well, I think that will

0:49:52.280 --> 0:49:55.680
<v Speaker 1>get better the more like your your generation on, because

0:49:55.680 --> 0:50:00.239
<v Speaker 1>of the advancements with with medical record keeping. Like let

0:50:00.280 --> 0:50:02.560
<v Speaker 1>me tell you for example, like my grandpap, this is

0:50:02.600 --> 0:50:07.120
<v Speaker 1>pop Pop's dad. He died from cancer. And then so

0:50:07.320 --> 0:50:10.080
<v Speaker 1>I say, okay, he had cancer. What kind of cancer

0:50:10.120 --> 0:50:12.759
<v Speaker 1>did he have? He had musicthelioma because he worked in

0:50:12.760 --> 0:50:15.640
<v Speaker 1>the shipyard and then I'm like okay, And then I'll

0:50:15.640 --> 0:50:17.920
<v Speaker 1>talk to him my did later and I'll say, yeah,

0:50:17.960 --> 0:50:19.640
<v Speaker 1>like he was in the hospital and he had cancer

0:50:19.680 --> 0:50:21.919
<v Speaker 1>in his brain and he you know, that's how he died.

0:50:21.960 --> 0:50:25.320
<v Speaker 1>And then I'm like, wait, music, thelioma doesn't typically spread

0:50:25.320 --> 0:50:27.399
<v Speaker 1>to the brain, so like, what's what am I missing here?

0:50:27.520 --> 0:50:31.920
<v Speaker 1>That's that's unusual. And then he says later, oh, you know,

0:50:32.000 --> 0:50:34.439
<v Speaker 1>my dad, i'd have his whole stomach caught out. Oh

0:50:34.480 --> 0:50:36.279
<v Speaker 1>he had it was bleeding and this and that, And

0:50:36.320 --> 0:50:39.040
<v Speaker 1>You're like, did he have gasher cancer, because that's something

0:50:39.120 --> 0:50:41.040
<v Speaker 1>I kind of want to know. Like you start now,

0:50:41.120 --> 0:50:43.440
<v Speaker 1>I wasn't cancer, you just had an ulcer, And you

0:50:43.520 --> 0:50:46.160
<v Speaker 1>start going back and you're like, the history is so

0:50:46.280 --> 0:50:50.520
<v Speaker 1>choppy because it's hearsay, whereas now it's like people have

0:50:50.880 --> 0:50:53.719
<v Speaker 1>this stuff in writing and it's it's a little bit

0:50:53.719 --> 0:50:58.000
<v Speaker 1>more okay, this is you definitely know. So especially like

0:50:58.239 --> 0:51:01.640
<v Speaker 1>for example, if my grandpap had music ALIUMA, that's not

0:51:01.680 --> 0:51:03.440
<v Speaker 1>really a risk to me because he did work at

0:51:03.440 --> 0:51:06.760
<v Speaker 1>the Navy shipyard and that would be an environmental cause

0:51:06.760 --> 0:51:09.759
<v Speaker 1>of cancer. And he also smokes cigarettes too, so like

0:51:09.800 --> 0:51:12.680
<v Speaker 1>that combination is like, okay, he had musicaliuma, but like

0:51:13.080 --> 0:51:15.160
<v Speaker 1>that's not a high risk for me, But like if

0:51:15.200 --> 0:51:16.920
<v Speaker 1>he had gast your cancer, there are certain kind of

0:51:16.920 --> 0:51:19.640
<v Speaker 1>gastric cancers that are genetic and that's something I definitely

0:51:19.680 --> 0:51:23.799
<v Speaker 1>need to know about. So the more time goes on,

0:51:23.880 --> 0:51:25.560
<v Speaker 1>you'll know more and more about your history and that

0:51:25.600 --> 0:51:31.200
<v Speaker 1>would be less likely to happen hopefully, because you hear

0:51:31.239 --> 0:51:34.120
<v Speaker 1>about this, Like sometimes you're talking to people and they'll say, oh,

0:51:34.160 --> 0:51:37.480
<v Speaker 1>they're especially with like ovarian and breast cancer for women.

0:51:37.560 --> 0:51:39.960
<v Speaker 1>You're just like, oh, those people should be tested like

0:51:40.120 --> 0:51:42.719
<v Speaker 1>right now for for Brocket gens and to see if

0:51:42.719 --> 0:51:45.160
<v Speaker 1>they have Yeah, you know, but a lot of times,

0:51:45.200 --> 0:51:47.880
<v Speaker 1>like people just don't really think about that kind of stuff.

0:51:47.880 --> 0:51:51.160
<v Speaker 1>And so when you're given when when these guys are

0:51:51.200 --> 0:51:53.800
<v Speaker 1>given their history, like they might just not know, especially

0:51:53.800 --> 0:51:56.439
<v Speaker 1>like a guy, like a guy usually doesn't get half

0:51:56.440 --> 0:52:00.960
<v Speaker 1>the story right. So it's like the combination is not great.

0:52:01.800 --> 0:52:06.480
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, so it sucks for these people because they

0:52:06.600 --> 0:52:09.959
<v Speaker 1>obviously like they needed to get a sperm donation because

0:52:09.960 --> 0:52:11.799
<v Speaker 1>they were trying to start a family, and now they

0:52:13.040 --> 0:52:15.200
<v Speaker 1>unknowingly like you.

0:52:15.160 --> 0:52:17.880
<v Speaker 2>Know, well, what do you think is a fair number

0:52:18.080 --> 0:52:21.400
<v Speaker 2>of limit? Like do you do you limit it to

0:52:21.800 --> 0:52:23.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm just handed, I.

0:52:22.920 --> 0:52:26.279
<v Speaker 1>Don't know, like a normal amount of people babies if

0:52:26.320 --> 0:52:29.160
<v Speaker 1>a human would ever have, Let's say, for example, you

0:52:29.239 --> 0:52:32.080
<v Speaker 1>limit it to three families, and then you give them

0:52:32.120 --> 0:52:35.080
<v Speaker 1>the option to have siblings with the same sperm donor.

0:52:35.160 --> 0:52:37.720
<v Speaker 1>But like you're like, I'm capping it at three families,

0:52:37.719 --> 0:52:41.120
<v Speaker 1>but they're allowed to have like up to three siblings

0:52:41.160 --> 0:52:44.560
<v Speaker 1>with the same sperm donor per family, right, Like I

0:52:44.560 --> 0:52:47.239
<v Speaker 1>feel like that's reasonable. I'm not a fan of like

0:52:48.000 --> 0:52:50.319
<v Speaker 1>we've talked about this before of like telling people how

0:52:50.360 --> 0:52:53.560
<v Speaker 1>many kids they could have and stuff like that, but

0:52:53.760 --> 0:52:57.400
<v Speaker 1>in this situation, just because it's not it's not a

0:52:57.520 --> 0:53:02.320
<v Speaker 1>natural way of doing this, you know, because listen, like, now,

0:53:02.920 --> 0:53:05.000
<v Speaker 1>how many kids does he have? What did they say?

0:53:05.120 --> 0:53:09.080
<v Speaker 1>Twenty sixty seven? But I guess sixty seven kids? Right, yeah?

0:53:09.080 --> 0:53:11.960
<v Speaker 2>But I think most people going through IUI or IVF

0:53:12.000 --> 0:53:15.279
<v Speaker 2>are like not having ten children, right like they're they're

0:53:15.320 --> 0:53:16.319
<v Speaker 2>having no But I.

0:53:16.280 --> 0:53:18.719
<v Speaker 1>Just don't, like, I don't like putting the limit on

0:53:18.800 --> 0:53:21.640
<v Speaker 1>it for the families that are getting the sperm donation.

0:53:22.280 --> 0:53:28.000
<v Speaker 1>But so like this guy has he has sixty seven kids,

0:53:28.040 --> 0:53:31.600
<v Speaker 1>and twenty three have tested positive for the gene. So

0:53:32.239 --> 0:53:34.920
<v Speaker 1>you like, there's twenty three people in the world right

0:53:34.960 --> 0:53:39.239
<v Speaker 1>now that have that. So unless those people do not

0:53:39.400 --> 0:53:43.800
<v Speaker 1>have children, do you see how that could multiply very fast? Yeah,

0:53:43.840 --> 0:53:46.040
<v Speaker 1>of course, because then they have kids, then they have kids,

0:53:46.120 --> 0:53:48.359
<v Speaker 1>and then all of a sudden, like these twenty three

0:53:48.440 --> 0:53:53.440
<v Speaker 1>kids can now have you know, sixty grandkids and then

0:53:53.440 --> 0:53:56.320
<v Speaker 1>one hundred and twenty. Like it's it's spreading a genetic

0:53:57.360 --> 0:54:02.279
<v Speaker 1>a genetic mutation that that would normally spread like that. No,

0:54:02.600 --> 0:54:05.839
<v Speaker 1>there should there should definitely be a limitation because of that,

0:54:06.000 --> 0:54:12.239
<v Speaker 1>and like it shouldn't matter. I don't think are they

0:54:12.280 --> 0:54:14.319
<v Speaker 1>like low on on sperm donations.

0:54:15.600 --> 0:54:18.440
<v Speaker 2>I've never heard of a shortage. So that's why I'm exactly.

0:54:18.520 --> 0:54:22.280
<v Speaker 2>I'm surprised they say there's a limit of seventy five

0:54:22.400 --> 0:54:26.200
<v Speaker 2>children per donor. That's absolutely crazy to think about, it

0:54:26.640 --> 0:54:29.480
<v Speaker 2>really is. And think about you like donating your sperm

0:54:29.560 --> 0:54:31.640
<v Speaker 2>in college to make quick cash and then you had

0:54:31.680 --> 0:54:34.320
<v Speaker 2>seventy five kids, Like that's insane.

0:54:35.560 --> 0:54:38.240
<v Speaker 1>All right, let's move on. It is disturbing for sure.

0:54:38.640 --> 0:54:40.800
<v Speaker 2>Let's move on to Questions of the Day. Every Friday

0:54:40.920 --> 0:54:43.200
<v Speaker 2>at the at Mother Knows Death Instagram account, You guys

0:54:43.200 --> 0:54:45.200
<v Speaker 2>can head over to our story and ask us whatever

0:54:45.239 --> 0:54:48.520
<v Speaker 2>you want. First, Are you guys into any fandoms like

0:54:48.560 --> 0:54:51.480
<v Speaker 2>Harry Potter, Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, Game of Thrones.

0:54:53.320 --> 0:54:56.200
<v Speaker 2>I think we all know you're really not, except maybe Strangers.

0:54:56.280 --> 0:54:59.839
<v Speaker 2>I was gonna say a Stranger Things count probably I'm

0:55:00.000 --> 0:55:03.439
<v Speaker 2>I love Stranger Things, and I feel like I get

0:55:03.440 --> 0:55:06.680
<v Speaker 2>into it a little bit more because because especially Lucia

0:55:06.760 --> 0:55:10.160
<v Speaker 2>is into it, like the nerding out and the trip

0:55:10.239 --> 0:55:13.880
<v Speaker 2>to the Jackson, Uh, Georgia to go see where Stranger

0:55:13.920 --> 0:55:14.600
<v Speaker 2>Things was filmed.

0:55:14.640 --> 0:55:16.279
<v Speaker 1>I don't think I would have done that on my

0:55:16.360 --> 0:55:19.880
<v Speaker 1>own because I just don't nerd out like that, but

0:55:20.800 --> 0:55:23.960
<v Speaker 1>I do to an extent for Stranger Things because of Lucia.

0:55:24.160 --> 0:55:29.440
<v Speaker 1>Like we're going to Atlanta soon and I want to

0:55:29.480 --> 0:55:31.120
<v Speaker 1>go look at some of the other I think we

0:55:31.200 --> 0:55:33.759
<v Speaker 1>can go visit the mall where they filmed and the

0:55:34.080 --> 0:55:38.239
<v Speaker 1>Krill House, so I'm excited about that. I like the

0:55:38.320 --> 0:55:41.200
<v Speaker 1>Harry Potter films, but I'm not I wouldn't consider myself

0:55:41.200 --> 0:55:43.319
<v Speaker 1>to be in like the fandom. I enjoy watching them,

0:55:43.320 --> 0:55:46.520
<v Speaker 1>but I'm not gonna go a mercurdy. Lillian told me today,

0:55:46.719 --> 0:55:50.839
<v Speaker 1>she goes I started watching this show called Twilight. Oh

0:55:50.920 --> 0:55:53.279
<v Speaker 1>my god. I was like, oh my god, Maria was

0:55:53.320 --> 0:55:56.640
<v Speaker 1>obsessed with the Robert Pattinson poster on the wall and

0:55:56.680 --> 0:55:59.160
<v Speaker 1>everything that could be like a fandom.

0:55:58.800 --> 0:56:01.120
<v Speaker 2>Right, No, I might have to have them over for

0:56:01.160 --> 0:56:05.719
<v Speaker 2>a girls' night and then we because yeah that yeah,

0:56:05.760 --> 0:56:08.000
<v Speaker 2>that was definitely I mean yeah, in my youth, the

0:56:08.080 --> 0:56:13.040
<v Speaker 2>fandom of Twilight huge for me. I mean, Gilmore Girls

0:56:13.120 --> 0:56:15.560
<v Speaker 2>is probably the biggest fandom women where Like, I watch

0:56:15.600 --> 0:56:16.320
<v Speaker 2>it religiously.

0:56:16.440 --> 0:56:20.160
<v Speaker 1>I have a bunch of like sweatshirts and like cups.

0:56:19.719 --> 0:56:22.160
<v Speaker 2>And you know, all things like that, but none of

0:56:22.200 --> 0:56:25.600
<v Speaker 2>the more sci fi stuff like you described your question

0:56:25.760 --> 0:56:26.239
<v Speaker 2>per se.

0:56:26.400 --> 0:56:29.719
<v Speaker 1>But like Star Wars, I just don't get it. Yeah,

0:56:29.960 --> 0:56:32.719
<v Speaker 1>I just really like it, like we go even if

0:56:32.760 --> 0:56:35.000
<v Speaker 1>you go to Disney, Like I could look around and

0:56:35.080 --> 0:56:37.680
<v Speaker 1>appreciate that it's coal and stuff, but I just don't.

0:56:37.880 --> 0:56:39.759
<v Speaker 1>I don't get the attraction with it.

0:56:40.160 --> 0:56:42.880
<v Speaker 2>Well. I was really into like comic book stuff for

0:56:42.920 --> 0:56:44.960
<v Speaker 2>a while when I was a teenager, but then they

0:56:45.000 --> 0:56:47.759
<v Speaker 2>start making so many movies and I get overwhelmed. It's

0:56:47.800 --> 0:56:50.040
<v Speaker 2>kind of how I feel about Ninety Day Fiance. Like

0:56:50.360 --> 0:56:52.359
<v Speaker 2>I thought it was the best show ever, and then

0:56:52.440 --> 0:56:54.440
<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden. It was on every day of

0:56:54.480 --> 0:56:56.839
<v Speaker 2>the week, two hour episodes, and then once I feel

0:56:56.880 --> 0:56:59.680
<v Speaker 2>like I can't catch up, I just lose interest in it.

0:57:00.160 --> 0:57:04.239
<v Speaker 2>Never mimic that first was that the first season with

0:57:04.360 --> 0:57:08.000
<v Speaker 2>the who was the like the craziest couple of all time,

0:57:09.239 --> 0:57:13.040
<v Speaker 2>the guy the guy that was from Tunisia and and

0:57:13.080 --> 0:57:18.120
<v Speaker 2>the lady that was like the mom, oh.

0:57:17.160 --> 0:57:22.280
<v Speaker 1>What's her name Danielle and I forget the guy's name.

0:57:22.480 --> 0:57:25.800
<v Speaker 1>I yeah, everybody thought that like that that was just

0:57:25.880 --> 0:57:28.479
<v Speaker 1>like you'll never match that ever.

0:57:28.840 --> 0:57:31.080
<v Speaker 2>I mean, that show was incredible for a long time,

0:57:31.080 --> 0:57:33.280
<v Speaker 2>but it just got like way too out of hand,

0:57:34.040 --> 0:57:34.360
<v Speaker 2>all right.

0:57:34.440 --> 0:57:40.040
<v Speaker 1>Next end ofmetriosis advice. So Maria and I both have endometriosis.

0:57:40.080 --> 0:57:43.320
<v Speaker 1>I don't really have any advice. Well I do, actually,

0:57:43.680 --> 0:57:46.040
<v Speaker 1>because a lot of times doctors will blow you off

0:57:46.080 --> 0:57:50.480
<v Speaker 1>about it, and there are certain doctors around that will

0:57:50.520 --> 0:57:54.200
<v Speaker 1>take it seriously and they'll give you a procedure to

0:57:54.400 --> 0:57:58.160
<v Speaker 1>remove some of it, but every doctor won't do it,

0:57:58.200 --> 0:57:59.960
<v Speaker 1>and lots of doctors will blow you off and out

0:58:00.200 --> 0:58:04.200
<v Speaker 1>like it's nothing. So if you think you have it,

0:58:04.520 --> 0:58:08.040
<v Speaker 1>the problem with endometriosis is that you can't really diagnose

0:58:08.080 --> 0:58:11.520
<v Speaker 1>it by imaging, you could see certain changes that might

0:58:11.640 --> 0:58:13.880
<v Speaker 1>show that they're scarring and stuff, but really the only

0:58:13.920 --> 0:58:17.520
<v Speaker 1>way to diagnose it is by biopsying it, and you

0:58:17.520 --> 0:58:20.560
<v Speaker 1>would have to get an invasive procedure like a laparoscopy

0:58:20.640 --> 0:58:24.160
<v Speaker 1>to get that done. And some of the theory is

0:58:24.240 --> 0:58:27.880
<v Speaker 1>that if you're having problems with scarring from endometriosis, if

0:58:27.920 --> 0:58:30.320
<v Speaker 1>you go in and do a laparoscopy, you could cause

0:58:30.840 --> 0:58:33.680
<v Speaker 1>more scarring, especially if you're cutting out a lot of tissue.

0:58:33.720 --> 0:58:37.600
<v Speaker 1>But at the same time that seems to be giving

0:58:37.680 --> 0:58:40.520
<v Speaker 1>women more relief to cut out the endometriosis and just

0:58:40.600 --> 0:58:45.240
<v Speaker 1>like praying that the scarring doesn't get worse. So you

0:58:45.280 --> 0:58:49.000
<v Speaker 1>should definitely push it because there are doctors, like in

0:58:49.120 --> 0:58:51.880
<v Speaker 1>Jersey and in Philadelphia, we know there's doctors that do

0:58:51.920 --> 0:58:54.520
<v Speaker 1>the surgery. One of our friends have it done too,

0:58:54.720 --> 0:58:57.280
<v Speaker 1>and it's kind of life changing, so you don't have

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<v Speaker 1>to live with it. And sometimes they want to what

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<v Speaker 1>you on hormone and stuff, and I'm kind of like

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<v Speaker 1>not into that, but you could do what you want

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<v Speaker 1>to do. I just I personally think like I would

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<v Speaker 1>get it caught out.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, like I think for endemytriosis, you have

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<v Speaker 2>to be your best advocate if you really feel like

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<v Speaker 2>something's wrong. You know how many years have the both

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<v Speaker 2>of us just been told like periods hurt, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like when you're like, well, I don't think they should

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<v Speaker 2>hurt to the point where I feel like I have

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<v Speaker 2>to go to the emergency room. But you don't go

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<v Speaker 2>to the hospital because you know they're gonna blow you

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<v Speaker 2>off too and send you home. So I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>really important when you're telling the doctor and if you

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<v Speaker 2>feel like you're getting blown off getting a second opinion,

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<v Speaker 2>or if you're like in my case, for example, it

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<v Speaker 2>was really severe, and I just, you know, I was

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<v Speaker 2>really frustrated because I was being vocal about it, but

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<v Speaker 2>I felt like nobody was like hearing me. But I

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<v Speaker 2>also wasn't taking the extra steps to seek out a specialist.

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<v Speaker 2>And when I finally got some type of like approval

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<v Speaker 2>by a doctor so to say, to like see out

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<v Speaker 2>the specialists and I went there, it was life changing

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<v Speaker 2>for me. I mean, I had the procedure two months ago.

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<v Speaker 2>I've had two periods since, and my life is completely different.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'll talk a lot about the procedure at a

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<v Speaker 2>later time, but it has definitely changed my life, and

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<v Speaker 2>I've realized, like, wow, I didn't need to be in

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<v Speaker 2>that much pain for fifteen years. It's like insane.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And one of the cool things now is that

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<v Speaker 1>I'm older and I'm going through the menopause thing a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit, or perimenopause whatever. It goes away, like when

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<v Speaker 1>your hormones aren't the same anymore, it goes away, so

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<v Speaker 1>like it will eventually go away for you. Also, this

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<v Speaker 1>the glue we should mention the gluten free diet.

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<v Speaker 2>Well. Yeah, so what was really interesting is that my

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<v Speaker 2>postop appointment I had, my doctor had suggested I do

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<v Speaker 2>the low fod map diet because I don't know if

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people know this, but even though I

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<v Speaker 2>just had all my endometriosis removed, I mean, it could

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<v Speaker 2>grow back, and I could there's a potential I have

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<v Speaker 2>to have it another surgery later in my life. So

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<v Speaker 2>like in the meantime, my doctor had suggested doing the

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<v Speaker 2>low fodmap diet, which is a low inflammation diet.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a pain in the ass. It's such a pain

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<v Speaker 1>in the ass.

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<v Speaker 2>But I had just you know, equipped like, oh I

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<v Speaker 2>did that before because I have a gluten problem. And

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<v Speaker 2>she was like, that's so interesting you say that because

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<v Speaker 2>most of my endometriosis patients have gluten intolerances, and I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think there's necessarily like all that many studies done

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<v Speaker 2>linking them together, but it's something she's noticed, and well.

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<v Speaker 1>Gluten is definitely linked to inflammation. So yeah, that's one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred percent. So anytime you have any kind of an

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<v Speaker 1>inflammatory process going on in your body, it's best to limit.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you need to. I mean, we

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<v Speaker 1>completely exclude, but you could also just limit it a

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<v Speaker 1>lot as well, and I think that that will be good.

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<v Speaker 1>And the FODMAP, like, I don't know. If I was

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<v Speaker 1>like Kim Kardashian and had a chef living in my house,

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<v Speaker 1>I would eat the low FODAP diet every day because

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<v Speaker 1>somebody was making my food and I would have to

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<v Speaker 1>think about it. But it's just a lot. It's it's hard.

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<v Speaker 2>But like when I in twenty twenty was having all

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<v Speaker 2>my stomach issues and I couldn't figure out what it was.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I lost I think thirty pounds in like

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<v Speaker 2>six weeks, like something outrageously, to the point where my

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<v Speaker 2>manager at the bar pulled me aside and was like

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<v Speaker 2>are you on drugs?

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<v Speaker 1>Like are you okay? You just like he's like, we

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<v Speaker 1>love You're like no, I wish I was actually because

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<v Speaker 1>I'd be having a good time here, like I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>eating anything and I'm miserable.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Like I literally can't eat anything. I feel like

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to pass out every time I eat. And

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<v Speaker 2>then I did the low fodmap diet and I mean

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<v Speaker 2>it changed my life. It made me realize I was

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<v Speaker 2>allergic to gluten and when I stopped eating it, it

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<v Speaker 2>totally changed my entire life. So well, I do feel

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<v Speaker 2>like a douchebag for being like I'm gluten free, especially

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<v Speaker 2>because of all this years working in the restaurant and

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<v Speaker 2>being so judgment.

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<v Speaker 1>Said they were, I feel like that too, Like when

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<v Speaker 1>they me and Maria always said when we go to

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<v Speaker 1>a restaurant and they're like, does anyone have any allergies here?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, now we're good, yes, because we don't want

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<v Speaker 1>people to be like, oh, you're that person.

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<v Speaker 2>Because we'd have people come in the bar that would

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<v Speaker 2>be absolute assholes about like I can't have any gluten

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<v Speaker 2>and blah blah blah blah, and I'm like, well, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>there's we do have gluten free options, but there's obviously

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<v Speaker 2>the risk of cross contamination. But then five minutes later

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<v Speaker 2>they've ordered a beer and I'm like, do you realize

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<v Speaker 2>that beer has gluten in it? And I'm not talking

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<v Speaker 2>about like, you know, there's theories that like Corona's Light

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever is gluten free, or there's ciders and everything

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<v Speaker 2>like that. No, I'm talking like a full gluten beer,

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<v Speaker 2>like Guinness something crazy. So that's why I'd be judgmental

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<v Speaker 2>of it. But now that I'm in the position, I

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<v Speaker 2>understand a little better.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I think there's a difference between us just

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<v Speaker 1>like not eliminating it from our diet versus people who

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<v Speaker 1>are saliac. Yeah, of course, because for me, I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>if I'm at a restaurant, there's things that I know

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<v Speaker 1>that are safe, like a salad, for example. But people

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<v Speaker 1>who have sliac are just like, well, does that trussing

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<v Speaker 1>have glue? You know, like they get they get because

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<v Speaker 1>they will get so sick from having a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of it. And I just try to keep out as

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<v Speaker 1>much as I possibly can without, you know, like I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like my my one friend that is true Celiac.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, she really just can only go to one

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<v Speaker 1>restaurant around here because the owner has a siliac child

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<v Speaker 1>and respects it, because like, how could you trust it otherwise.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I also just found out a gluten free bakery

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<v Speaker 2>we've gone to a couple of times are not Celiac friendly.

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<v Speaker 2>They said they're just gluten sensitive, which really I was

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<v Speaker 2>surprised by that, which for us it doesn't matter, but

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<v Speaker 2>I was surprised because thank god I ever recommended it

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<v Speaker 2>to any funny that's that's that's weird. Why I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>sure because I was kind of taken aback by it,

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't know if the employee like misspoke, but

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<v Speaker 2>I thought it was interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, But I mean that place is good, so I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna keep going there. But that leads us because there's

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<v Speaker 1>just gluten in it? Is that why maybe we've been duped? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>this leads us into our last question, which is would

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<v Speaker 1>you eat gluten in Italy? And I want to say

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<v Speaker 1>I would because I've heard from many people that it's

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<v Speaker 1>totally different over there and it doesn't bother people. And

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<v Speaker 1>one of my husband's best friends, his sister, has ciliac,

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<v Speaker 1>and went there and was able to she tried some

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<v Speaker 1>stuff and didn't have problems. I means she couldn't fully

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<v Speaker 1>commit because she was scared, but she did try like

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<v Speaker 1>pasta from her family member's dinners, and she didn't have

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<v Speaker 1>any issues, which makes me feel good about it. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I think if like I might be chy, like a

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<v Speaker 1>bite of pasta and then see like how I fell,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, I feel like it would be fine.

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<v Speaker 1>But even if I didn't have a reaction, I still

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't eat like twenty loaves of bread. I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to overdo it, you know, like it would be really

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<v Speaker 1>nice to have like a good piece of bread, though

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<v Speaker 1>like it just can't be mimicked.

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<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't overdo it. But I think it's also important

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<v Speaker 2>to note that Europe has such different regulations with how

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<v Speaker 2>their food is processed, so I think that's why it

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<v Speaker 2>bothers people wayless.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, the food in.

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<v Speaker 2>America is basically poisoned at this point, and over there

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<v Speaker 2>it's like more fresh and natural, and they have a

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<v Speaker 2>lot more regulations about what people are allowed to eat,

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<v Speaker 2>which is refreshing. So I think I would take the

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<v Speaker 2>risk over there, and I would actually enjoy it, because

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<v Speaker 2>the Italian food over there must be the most incredible

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<v Speaker 2>thing ever.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think I'm going to try to go on

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<v Speaker 1>the fall.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe that'll be nice. All right, Well, thank you guys

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