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Speaker 1: Mother Knows Dad starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk Hi. Everyone,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Mother Knows Death. On today's episode, we are

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Speaker 1: going to talk about some devastating news Maria got this

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Speaker 1: weekend of a drummer from The Devilwaar's Prada, one of

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Speaker 1: her old time favorite bands, died in a plane crash.

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Speaker 1: We're also going to get into some real life final

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Speaker 1: destination stories. A viral video of a dump truck driving

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Speaker 1: full speed through a residential neighborhood after the driver suffered

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Speaker 1: a medical emergency, a dead woman who was missing her heart,

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Speaker 1: a mom who went against medical advice and is now

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Speaker 1: facing charges. Weird infections you could pick up on vacation,

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Speaker 1: multiple cases of sperm donation leading to cancer, and a

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Speaker 1: mom who has started to go fundme so she can

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Speaker 1: cryogenically preserve her dead son. All that and more on

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Speaker 1: today's episode, Why don't we get started with the sad,

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Speaker 1: sad news you received this weekend?

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Speaker 2: Well, to quote my husband, it's not a good year

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Speaker 2: for drummers. Re reloved growing up because we had the

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Speaker 2: guy from my chemical romance that died in that horrific

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Speaker 2: how did he die again?

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Speaker 1: What?

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Speaker 2: Anyway?

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Speaker 1: It was tragic with his pets eating him. And now, oh,

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Speaker 1: I don't remember exactly how he died, but yeah, his

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Speaker 1: pets ate him after he died. Yeah, and now we

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Speaker 1: have my favorite band after my chemical romance when I

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Speaker 1: transitioned to my metal phase was the devilwaar Shprada. And

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Speaker 1: now that drummer has died in a plane crash over

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Speaker 1: the weekend. Who names these bands? This is so corny

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Speaker 1: like their metal, like my definition of metal, and maybe

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Speaker 1: I think this is just corny.

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Speaker 2: Tically, they fall they fall under this really niche category

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Speaker 2: called crab core.

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Speaker 1: But I'm not a part of it.

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Speaker 2: I'm not possibly explaining this to you. It's way too evolved.

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Speaker 2: But this is what happened. So Daniel Williams, he was

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Speaker 2: the drummer from the Doubles product. Oh my god, you

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Speaker 2: actually took me to I feel like a guitar center

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Speaker 2: in like King of Prussia to meet him when I

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Speaker 2: was I think fourteen.

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Speaker 1: I possibly have a thought it out. I possibly have

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Speaker 2: And I lay around somewhere, So I'm gonna look for

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Speaker 2: that after and put it in our broadcast channel if

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Speaker 2: I could find.

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Speaker 1: It on Instagram. But Daniel Williams and a music agent,

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Speaker 1: Dave Shapiro, they were flying in a private plane with

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Speaker 1: some others when it crashed, killing all six on board.

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Speaker 1: It seems like the flight was overnight, coming from the

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Speaker 1: New York Post, they were attempting to land the plane

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Speaker 1: at San Diego's Montgomery Gibbs Executive Airport, but the airport

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Speaker 1: ended up having this power surge which knocks knocked out

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Speaker 2: To land, I think there was really dense fog and

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Speaker 2: they weren't able to see as well, and with the

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Speaker 1: Oh god, So well, at least no one got hurt

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Speaker 1: because on the ground at least, yeah, because I well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: like that's like a new fear of mine I have,

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Speaker 1: is just things falling out of the sky like that. Right,

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, totally. It's so scary, and you see all

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Speaker 1: have other stories like that this week, two of just people,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it sucks because you you know, I

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Speaker 2: So let's get into this Australian actress. Her name's Claire McMahon.

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Speaker 2: So she was on the show called Blog Party and

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Speaker 2: Club Life. But she's trying to raise about two hundred

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Speaker 2: is going to do that for her. So cryogenics is

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Speaker 2: a thing that they take your dead body and within

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Speaker 2: a week after death, they freeze your body in the

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Speaker 2: hopes that maybe at some point in the future they'll

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Speaker 2: be able to reanimate your body when there's new technology available.

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Speaker 2: We talked about this a lot in the gross room

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Speaker 2: because who is the most famous person you always hear

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Speaker 2: about being cryogenically frozen? Walt Disney, Yes, Walt Disney.

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Speaker 1: So we did Walt Disney's Celebrity death dis section years

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Speaker 1: there is a whole entire movement of this, obviously, and

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Speaker 1: it's called cryonics dot org. You could become a member

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Speaker 1: for over one thousand dollars and then they will cryogenically

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Speaker 1: they ever come up with the technology to reanimate the body, right,

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Speaker 1: which I'm not sure. I don't want to say I

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Speaker 1: don't see that happening, because anything's possible, right, But there's

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Speaker 1: Pirates of Caribbean ride. The other thing. When I was

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Speaker 2: No, I definitely do too. I mean, I think also

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Speaker 2: a couple of days after death too. And I think,

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Speaker 2: he would like that, which that's a really interesting conversation

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Speaker 1: So I understand. Yeah, I mean, I personally wouldn't do

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Speaker 1: Like that's it. We shouldn't get into that. But I'm

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Speaker 1: sure I don't know if I'll see that, if we'll

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Speaker 1: I saw this post on x and Instagram, all these

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it just you can't. You couldn't even

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Speaker 1: But maybe they were responsible. They like some helicopter go

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Speaker 2: is I'm always a conspiracy theorist. Yeah, I just I

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Speaker 1: just can't even believe that that something like this would happen,

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Speaker 1: And like, what is this is when you start talking

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Speaker 1: like this happens. No, this woman was driving home at

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Speaker 2: But are they trying to act like it's like the

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Speaker 2: incident with the Eagles parade where some girl just was

436
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Speaker 2: trying to go around because they all those people were

437
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Speaker 2: blocking Broad Street.

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Speaker 1: I don't, I don't know. I think there's I don't

439
00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:27,919
Speaker 1: know how the car ended up back there, but people

440
00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:30,480
Speaker 1: were like antagonizing the guy and he was trying to

441
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Speaker 1: get away apparently, and they thought that he panicked because

442
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Speaker 1: he was scared for his life and just drove off.

443
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Speaker 1: But when you look at some of the video, and

444
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Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe if you're in that situation that

445
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Speaker 1: you're running from your life, you're not thinking about anything.

446
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Speaker 1: But there's like clear areas that he could go where

447
00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:50,359
Speaker 1: there's like not as many people, and it's just going

448
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Speaker 1: right into the crowd of people. It doesn't seem like

449
00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:57,560
Speaker 1: anyone has died from that yet, but just like I

450
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Speaker 1: don't know, just like cars hitting people and these types

451
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:11,960
Speaker 1: of things are really scary, you know. Yeah, this episode

452
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Speaker 1: is brought to you by the Grosser Room. So this

453
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Speaker 1: week's celebrity death dissection was on me, but it's called death.

454
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Speaker 1: It's called Nicole a Jemmy celebrity, not death to section.

455
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Speaker 1: But I am talking about my whole entire cancer diagnosis

456
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Speaker 1: and what it looked like before, the innocent little tumor

457
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Speaker 1: that it looked like before, and everything that went down since.

458
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Speaker 1: And it's been actually it's been exactly what's today, Oh,

459
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Speaker 1: it's it's h the day after Memorial Day. So yesterday

460
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Speaker 1: was exactly two weeks since my surgery. So still have

461
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Speaker 1: a long road to go with this scar healing, but

462
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Speaker 1: hopefully it will look better. If not, I will definitely

463
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Speaker 1: be calling doctor Dimitri to get some help with that.

464
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Speaker 1: But also, yeah, we talk about a viral video that's

465
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Speaker 1: been going around a guy that's called the Human Grasshopper,

466
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Speaker 1: and we're all talking about different things that it might

467
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Speaker 1: be just because it's so bizarre and obviously people think

468
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 1: that it might be AI even but I don't think so.

469
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Speaker 1: I think that it's real and we're trying to figure

470
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Speaker 1: out what it is. So that's fun just because there's

471
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Speaker 1: other medical professionals in there as well, and or just

472
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Speaker 1: anybody think has theories and it's pretty cool. So check

473
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Speaker 1: out the grocerroom. Yeah, head over to the grossroom dot

474
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Speaker 1: com to sign it. Let's talk about this dead lady

475
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Speaker 1: that's missing her heart. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So this couple was heading to Turkey on vacation and

477
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Speaker 2: while on the flight, the wife said she started suddenly

478
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Speaker 2: feeling really ill and thought it had been food poisoning,

479
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Speaker 2: but then over the next day her symptoms kept getting

480
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Speaker 2: worse and she suddenly died.

481
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Speaker 1: Yeah. So once she landed, they said that she grew

482
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Speaker 1: delirious and then she was hospitalized the next day and died.

483
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Speaker 1: And initially the Turkish officials thought that the husband was

484
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Speaker 1: responsible for this and they were suspecting him of poisoning her,

485
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Speaker 1: but then they didn't really go into how she died

486
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Speaker 1: or anything, and he was able to get her body

487
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 1: flown back to the UK from Turkey. I don't know.

488
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 1: They didn't mention in this article if she was embalmed,

489
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Speaker 1: then I don't know what the rules are there as

490
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Speaker 1: far as sending a body from Turkey to the UK,

491
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,640
Speaker 1: but the British. So she gets back to the UK

492
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 1: and the British corner does it is examining her body

493
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Speaker 1: to try to figure out what happened, and they tell

494
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Speaker 1: the husband her heart is missing. So that's a little unusual.

495
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Speaker 1: So they contacted the Turkey Ministry of Health and they

496
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Speaker 1: said that they determined her cause of death was from

497
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Speaker 1: cardiac arrest due to multiple organ failure, which is like okay,

498
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Speaker 1: but like what caused that? Nothing? And they also said

499
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Speaker 1: quote she did not undergo any surgical procedures during a

500
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Speaker 1: preliminary autopsy, Like that doesn't even make any sense to me.

501
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Speaker 1: So were they trying to say they didn't cut into

502
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Speaker 1: her body, possibly because I would. I just wouldn't call

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Speaker 1: something an autopsy. I would say it was like an

504
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Speaker 1: external exam. I wouldn't refer to something as an autopsy

505
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 1: unless somebody was actually cut into And if they're saying

506
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Speaker 1: she didn't undergo any surgical procedures, like it is possible

507
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,639
Speaker 1: she didn't undergo surgery at the hospital prior to dying,

508
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 1: but someone removed her heart. Now the first thing, as

509
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Speaker 1: the corner, if I was doing the autopsy. What I

510
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:29,160
Speaker 1: would want to look at is I would just want

511
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Speaker 1: to look at the way that the incision was done.

512
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Speaker 1: Does it look like it was she was it was

513
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Speaker 1: done before she died or after she died. You'll be

514
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Speaker 1: able to tell that was it done with a scalpa blade?

515
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 1: Like what's going on there? How was it removed? Because

516
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 1: it's not like I could just make an incision, you know,

517
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:50,399
Speaker 1: right now on somebody's abdomen and pull out their spleen

518
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 1: pretty easily with like a single incision and just stick

519
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:55,120
Speaker 1: my as long as it's wide enough for my hand

520
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 1: to fit through, right. But the heart is a little

521
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 1: bit more difficult to get to because it's underneath of

522
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:04,400
Speaker 1: the rib cage. You can get to it that way,

523
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,399
Speaker 1: I suppose, but you'd have to really like stick your

524
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 1: whole arm up in there and get it out, and

525
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 1: it wouldn't come out that clean, honestly, because I've had

526
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 1: to do it like that a couple times without cracking

527
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Speaker 1: the chest. But usually when we take out the heart,

528
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,879
Speaker 1: we removed the entire front of the rib cage. So

529
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Speaker 1: I'm assuming that there's more extensive things than just her

530
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Speaker 1: heart's missing and everything else is there in place like it,

531
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Speaker 1: and that would require a pretty big incision to do that,

532
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,159
Speaker 1: and it would be a lot different looking than a

533
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 1: surgical incision to access the heart. So I guess what

534
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 1: are the options here.

535
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 2: It's like option A was they did the autopsy and

536
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 2: they took it out but didn't report it, or B

537
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 2: somebody did it and took it out and stole it.

538
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Speaker 1: Like I'm just confused. Well, it we could say for

539
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 1: sure that it's missing, so it's somewhere. That's something we

540
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 1: say for sure. So number one, I would say she

541
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Speaker 1: had it. So sometimes when we do an autopsy, we

542
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 1: keep some of the organs in jars because we want

543
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 1: to be able to go back to it if we

544
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 1: need to look at it again. Because once you take

545
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 1: out someone's organs and then you send their body back

546
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 1: to the funeral home, then you don't have access to

547
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,399
Speaker 1: their body or their organs anymore. And sometimes when you

548
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:19,400
Speaker 1: look at the microscope side, you won't get them back

549
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,200
Speaker 1: for a few days after the autopsy. You might see

550
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Speaker 1: something and you're like, oh, no, I want to look

551
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 1: at more of the heart because this looks a little suspicious,

552
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 1: and I might be able to look at more of

553
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 1: the organ to figure out exactly what happened. But if

554
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 1: you don't have that tissue with you at the MORG,

555
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 1: then you're kind of beat. So sometimes usually you don't

556
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 1: keep a whole organ. Most of the time you have

557
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 1: what's called a stock jar, and it's a jar that's

558
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 1: just labeled with the patient's name, and it just has

559
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 1: a piece of the liver, a piece of the lung,

560
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 1: a piece of the heart. But there's times where you

561
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 1: would keep the whole heart too, if it was some

562
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 1: kind of anatomic weird thing or just there's all different

563
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 1: reasons and people do all different kinds of things, So

564
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 1: that's a possibility. The other possibility is like, I don't

565
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 1: know what goes on in Turkey, Like I don't I

566
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 1: don't even I don't know how medicine is practiced there

567
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 1: or anything. But it's possible that they harvested her heart

568
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 1: for some kind of transplant or something like that. I

569
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 1: don't know what the permissions are that they need. I

570
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 1: don't know about any of that, like a like a

571
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 1: transplant organ. So there are the two things that I

572
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 1: could think of would happen. But I mean, you can't

573
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 1: argue with the corner in the UK. That's saying it's

574
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 1: not there. So something happened. Now we let's talk about

575
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 1: how she died anyway, because she's twenty eight, So you're

576
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 1: just like, okay, she's young, and she shouldn't have died

577
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 1: at twenty eight years old. But she did say that

578
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 1: she thought she had food poisoning. So anytime you think

579
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Speaker 1: you have food poisoning, why do you say that, because

580
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 1: you're like either throwing up or shitting your brains out right,

581
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 1: That's okay. So she clearly had some kind of infection

582
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 1: or thought she had some kind of infection if she

583
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 1: was having GI symptoms like that. And then the fact

584
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Speaker 1: that they said the next day that she was getting

585
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Speaker 1: like she was fatigue and she was what was the

586
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 1: exact word they used, delirious. Yeah, that to me is

587
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 1: like this person had a really bad fever. That's kind

588
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 1: of a thing that you would see in that situation, right,

589
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 1: So she could have just really been sick. Went to

590
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 1: the hospital. Now, her husband saying that she's allergic to penicillin,

591
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 1: and that sometimes is the first drug that they would

592
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 1: give people in certain infections. So I don't know if

593
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 1: they knew that they could have given her that it depends.

594
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 1: You could have an allergy to penicillin where you get

595
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 1: hives all the way till you get enophylactic shock and

596
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 1: it could kill you. So like that could be a possibility.

597
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 1: But they're saying that she had her she had cardiac

598
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 1: arrest because she had multi system organ failure, and that's

599
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 1: definitely something you could see with something like sepsis from

600
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 1: a bacterial infection. So this is all possible that there's

601
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: nothing really like nefarious going on here, but it is.

602
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 1: It's weird, and this is one of the always the

603
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 1: concerns you have when you travel to another country because

604
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 1: they don't do things the way that you're used to,

605
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 1: and then you start to get sus because of the

606
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 1: way things are handled.

607
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, especially if they're not like owning up to

608
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 2: the paper trail of what happened in her heart, Like

609
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 2: was it something non nefarious, like they took it out

610
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 2: to do a transplant because that's normal over there, or

611
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 2: like did somebody take it out on the sneak tip

612
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 2: to try to like sell it or anything.

613
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like you just don't know, you just don't know anything.

614
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 1: Or is it just simply sitting in the lab because

615
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 1: because that's what you do.

616
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Speaker 2: I don't.

617
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 1: I'm not exactly sure like what that's about, but I

618
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 1: mean I feel bad for the guy because it's already

619
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 1: bad enough that you have to experience that on vacation

620
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 1: with with your young wife dying like that tragically and

621
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 1: then have to deal with that is you know, because

622
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 1: you're like, well, what did they do to her body?

623
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 1: That did that?

624
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 2: I didn't agree to kind of you know, yeah, absolutely

625
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 2: all right. So in Pennsylvania, this woman's eleven year old

626
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 2: son fell off an ATV and was diagnosed with a

627
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 2: brain bleed, but despite medical advice, she took the boy

628
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 2: out of the hospital, removed his ivy and his neck brace,

629
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 2: then dropped him off at school.

630
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 1: So he was diagnosed with something called a retroclibal hematoma,

631
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 1: which is a rare kind of brain bleed actually that

632
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 1: happens in kids most commonly associated with motor vehicle accidents,

633
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 1: especially when there's like a whiplash situation, like it's severe

634
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 1: cervical flexion and extension injury, so your head's going forward

635
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 1: really fast and back really fast in a short period

636
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 1: of time, and the it causes this bleed that he had. Okay,

637
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 1: so he's eleven years old. He goes to the hospital

638
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 1: and so I'm not really sure exactly how this went down,

639
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 1: but it seems like the doctors were like, we want

640
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 1: to airlift him to Children's Hospital in Pittsburgh, and she said, no,

641
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 1: I would rather drive him. Now, to me, that's it's

642
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 1: suspicions suspicious right away, because I think any parent that

643
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 1: has a kid that like needs some kind of care

644
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 1: that they're saying, I mean, when they say they want

645
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 1: to airlift your child somewhere, that's really bad, something really

646
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 1: bad's happening right that you would decline that. I mean,

647
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 1: the only situation I'm just trying to look at the

648
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 1: other side of things, Like, the only situation I could

649
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 1: say that she might refuse it is because she that

650
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 1: could probably cost so much money and maybe she didn't

651
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 1: have insurance or and she was like, no, I'll just

652
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 1: drive home. I personally, this is my question, Like, I

653
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,719
Speaker 1: don't even understand how the hospital's legally allowed to let

654
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 1: a kid leave in that situation. It's just a child,

655
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 1: like an adult. Whatever you leave against medical advice, you

656
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 1: should not be able to sign a child out against

657
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 1: medical advice. And I'm actually curious about this because I

658
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 1: just don't believe that this is that that is even possible.

659
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 1: And I'm curious if the people working there might get

660
00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 1: in some kind of trouble for this too or something.

661
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 1: I don't know, but anyway, Yeah, so they had an

662
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 1: ib in him, a neck brace on him, and they

663
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,840
Speaker 1: were like, do not take this off until you get

664
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 1: to the hospital and whatever. She just she really, like

665
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 1: in the parking lot, like took it all off and

666
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,479
Speaker 1: sent him to school the next day. So the kids

667
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 1: in school he has a traumatic brain injury, and he

668
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 1: obviously has a headache and is vomiting and stuff like that,

669
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 1: and the nurse realizes what's going on, and then he

670
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:29,320
Speaker 1: was airlifted to the children's hospital right from school.

671
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,760
Speaker 2: It's just so ridiculous. So she's facing charges of endangering

672
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 2: the welfare of a child and reckless endangering of another person.

673
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,359
Speaker 2: I mean, I agree with you one hundred percent that like,

674
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:43,320
Speaker 2: if it's a miner and they're in such severe condition

675
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 2: like that, they should not legally be allowed to be

676
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 2: discharged from the hospital. But I guess, like, do you

677
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 2: think she did it because of health insurance purposes or

678
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 2: like she just truly I would give a shit I

679
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 2: would say that, I would say that, but honestly, like

680
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 2: her actions afterwards say to me, no, she just didn't

681
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 2: think it was that big of a deal and blew

682
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 2: them off, because if, like, if she was doing it

683
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 2: for health insurance.

684
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:10,759
Speaker 1: Then I'm assuming she would have just put them in

685
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 1: the car and brought them where they said to go. Like,

686
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:16,320
Speaker 1: why the doctors aren't exaggerating, they're telling you that he

687
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 1: needs to be metavacted. I just think that if if

688
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 1: the doctors determine a child needs to be METAVAC somewhere,

689
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,720
Speaker 1: that should just be like that's happening. Because while I'm.

690
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 2: Saying she might not have had health insurance, and she's like,

691
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 2: I don't I don't think it's that bad, so I

692
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 2: don't want the bill. So that's why she didn't get

693
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:34,320
Speaker 2: the medicals.

694
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:36,799
Speaker 1: Listen, It's possible that she just was like, I don't

695
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 1: think it that it's that bad. But guess what, Like,

696
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 1: you're an idiot and you deserve to be arrested for that,

697
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 1: because you can't just ignore doctor's advice like that, because

698
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 1: they were right, yeah, obviously, you know, you can't just say, yeah,

699
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 1: I think you're exaggerating, like and listen, like, I'm sure

700
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 1: there's plenty of times that doctors recommend certain things and

701
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 1: you could just be like, eh, I don't know if

702
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 1: we need to go that route right now, Like let's

703
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 1: just watch it on like minor issues for sure, you know,

704
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 1: like oh, like Lilian needed blood work once and or

705
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 1: she didn't need blood work. They were like, let's just

706
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:12,800
Speaker 1: do blood work, and I was kind of like, no,

707
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 1: I think I think she's fine. Let's just keep an

708
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 1: eye on it kind of, you know what I mean, Like,

709
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:21,879
Speaker 1: I think there's because the trauma that would induce would

710
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 1: be so much greater than what was needed at the time.

711
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 1: Right But when they're telling you like your kid has

712
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 1: like a potential deadly situation, then then I just don't

713
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:34,839
Speaker 1: I don't know how that works in the hospital. I'm

714
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 1: sure one of you guys knowing you'll tell us. But yeah,

715
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:43,399
Speaker 1: so she's in trouble. Good because you really shouldn't be

716
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 1: having a kid if you're not going to take care

717
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 1: of them in that situation. I mean, and I don't

718
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 1: know necessarily if it's an insurance situation, because why did

719
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 1: she bring him to the hospital in the first place, then.

720
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 2: I don't know, you know, like that's the only thing.

721
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 2: I mean, clearly she's an abusive mother, so like the

722
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 2: only thing I could think of was like she was like,

723
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 2: I don't want to pay all these medical bills, so

724
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 2: like your beat basically, yeah, but it still is a vake.

725
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 1: It right, No, she sucks, all right, So let's talk

726
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 1: about like weird things that you could pick up while

727
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 1: you're on vacation. Yeah.

728
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 2: So earlier this year, a family went to Costa Rica

729
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:21,839
Speaker 2: and explored some bat caves, but when they got home,

730
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:24,400
Speaker 2: they weren't feeling good, and it turns out they contracted

731
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 2: some crazy fungal disease.

732
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,319
Speaker 1: All right, I don't like, listen, I'm all about like

733
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 1: visiting certain places and stuff, but bat caves, I don't know.

734
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 1: I just I'm telling all you guys right now, like

735
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 1: when there's environments where there's like birds and bats and

736
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 1: their shit is everywhere, I don't care about, like if

737
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 1: you're scared of them or whatever, like that their shit

738
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 1: carries diseases.

739
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 2: Well, I don't think a lot of people know this,

740
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:50,800
Speaker 2: so that's probably why this situation happened.

741
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,799
Speaker 1: So this is this is actually really interesting. So I

742
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 1: guess it was a family of thirteen people but it

743
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:00,800
Speaker 1: ended up twelve of them got sick. But they visited

744
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 1: Costa Rica, and they were from a couple of different states,

745
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 1: including Georgia, Texas, and Washington. Right, So they all these

746
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 1: and all of the people that started getting symptoms. They

747
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:16,799
Speaker 1: it started about eight to nineteen days after they were

748
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 1: on this trip. And obviously they're families, so they're all talking,

749
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 1: and they figured out pretty quickly that like it was

750
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 1: something that happened when they were on this trip. So

751
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,400
Speaker 1: it was six adults and six kids. And the adults

752
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 1: ages were forty two to forty nine years old and

753
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 1: the kids were eight to sixteen. And the reason I

754
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 1: say that is because it's likely that all of these

755
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 1: people were considered to be healthy people. Right, So they

756
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 1: all start exhibiting these symptoms and they go to the hospital.

757
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 1: And the thing is is that sometimes when you have

758
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 1: one of these weird things that you pick up in

759
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,760
Speaker 1: other countries, when you're in this country, it's more difficult

760
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 1: for doctors to pick it up. So they all ended

761
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:03,399
Speaker 1: up getting diagnosed with this this weird fungus infection called histoplasmosis. Okay, now,

762
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 1: this so this is most common in the United States

763
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 1: and Mississippi and the Ohio River valleys. So if you

764
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 1: went with these certain symptoms, respiratory symptoms, you went to

765
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 1: the hospital in Mississippi, those doctors are gonna be more like, Okay,

766
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 1: we were looking for this because this is around here

767
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,760
Speaker 1: all the time. But if you're in Georgia and Texas

768
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:28,400
Speaker 1: and Washington, they the doctors there wouldn't be looking for

769
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 1: that because that's that's not that fungus isn't around there.

770
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:36,800
Speaker 1: It's not around those particular areas. It also is present

771
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 1: in Africa, Asia, parts of Central and South America, and

772
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:44,360
Speaker 1: it's a fungus that it occurs in poop guano. I

773
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 1: guess you would say, isn't that what isn't that what

774
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 1: batpoop's called from? The Hell's that movie Pettitative? Yeah, so

775
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 1: it's it's present in the poop of birds and bats,

776
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 1: and that's how you get it. Now, Usually when people

777
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:02,399
Speaker 1: are exposed to this, they don't even Sometimes they don't

778
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 1: get symptoms at all, and if they do, they're like

779
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 1: mildly sick. Now, I'm thinking because they were in a

780
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:12,840
Speaker 1: back cave that had like extra iguano to the max,

781
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 1: like they just had a lot of exposure to it

782
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 1: at one time, and that's why they were even showing

783
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 1: symptoms of it to begin with. But usually this particular

784
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 1: organism is a problem for people who are immunosuppressed, and

785
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 1: this could be people who have a history of cancer

786
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:31,880
Speaker 1: and are on certain kind of medications that suppress the

787
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 1: immune system, or people with HIV or any kind of

788
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 1: autoimmune disease things like that, So those people are more

789
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 1: common to get sick with this and whatever. If you're

790
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 1: if you're a healthy person, you could just you could

791
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 1: just get treated and you'll be fine. But sometimes when

792
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:50,280
Speaker 1: these people weaken immune systems, it could disseminate or spread

793
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 1: throughout your body and get under your skin and cause

794
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:56,399
Speaker 1: these crazy nodules called granulemas, which is your body's way

795
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 1: of reacting to this foreign fungus in your body. And

796
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 1: it looks absolutely insane. I've done it for a mystery

797
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 1: diagnosis a couple of months ago. It's one of the

798
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:10,840
Speaker 1: more disturbing things that could happen to a human being, honestly,

799
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 1: So these people are lucky that they were all fairly

800
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:17,320
Speaker 1: young and healthy and they were able to get it recognized, treated,

801
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 1: and they're gonna be fine. It's interesting though. I think

802
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 1: probably if one of them got diagnosed with it, that

803
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 1: would have helped a whole lot of other doctors that

804
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 1: were treating these people trying to figure out what was

805
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:33,319
Speaker 1: going on, because it might take a couple of days

806
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 1: to diagnose something like this. Because I'm saying it's like

807
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 1: unusual in these parts of the country. Yeah, I mean,

808
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about this in the next story too,

809
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 1: but like, how do you know to even look for

810
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 1: it if you don't really realize that's the thing. Well,

811
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:49,880
Speaker 1: it causes certain findings, for sure, But the thing is

812
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 1: is that depending on what part of the country you're in,

813
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 1: when a person comes in, you're gonna set the first thing.

814
00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 1: There's always a million possibilities of what a person can

815
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 1: walk in with, but you're always thinking, like what are

816
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:05,880
Speaker 1: the most common things? Think about that with Gene Hackman's

817
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 1: wife and the haunt of virus, Like she was living

818
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 1: in an area that people get haunt of virus, But

819
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 1: at the same time, like what was it like five

820
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:16,319
Speaker 1: people a year get it or something crazy, like a

821
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 1: very small amount of people get it a year. So

822
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,320
Speaker 1: but in that area, if you showed up with certain

823
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 1: symptoms they might say, oh, maybe this is this because

824
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 1: you know, they get this is why they ask you

825
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 1: some information when you go to the hospital, the biggest

826
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 1: one being have you traveled recently? Because that keys them

827
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 1: in to know where you've been lately. And if they

828
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 1: say to someone like Gene Hackman's life, like if she's like, oh, yeah,

829
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:40,799
Speaker 1: we have a lot of rodents on the property, they

830
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 1: would be like, Okay, well that virus verdence. Let's work

831
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 1: her up for this. But like if that happened in

832
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 1: New Jersey, nobody would be thinking about that because that

833
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 1: doesn't happen around here. So it's not that it can't.

834
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 1: It's not that I can't go to New Mexico on

835
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 1: vacation and then come home and have it. It's just less.

836
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 1: It's not on the doctor's first on their mind at first,

837
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 1: compared to other things that can present in the same way. Yeah, totally.

838
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 2: All right, this one, this story is right up your alley. Yeah, Well,

839
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 2: we've had so many IVF stories lately, I guess. I

840
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:18,439
Speaker 2: mean it's been around for decades, but just lately there's

841
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 2: just been so many stories of errors or like weird

842
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:23,879
Speaker 2: things that have happened. But in this case, these two

843
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:26,360
Speaker 2: families had reached out to their clinic letting them know

844
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 2: that their child developed cancer linked to a rare genetic mutation.

845
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 2: So of course the clinic starts investigating exactly what happened,

846
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:36,840
Speaker 2: and they see these kids have the same sperm donor,

847
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 2: so they start looking into other families that use this

848
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 2: sperm donor, which, by the way, sixty seven children were

849
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 2: conceived by the same sperm donor, and they found out

850
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 2: that twenty three of the kids had the gene which

851
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 2: is called TP fifty three, and ten of those kids

852
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 2: have already been diagnosed with cancers like leukemia, not Hodgkins,

853
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:59,399
Speaker 2: lymphoma and other ones. Wow, this is this is a lot,

854
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 2: so let's start. Let's back up with the kids.

855
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 1: So the kids, these people either had IV effort, they

856
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 1: could have had IUI too, right, like yeah, whatever, they

857
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 1: have a baby with a sperm donor, and so they go.

858
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:16,880
Speaker 1: The kid gets diagnosed with cancer and at the hospital

859
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 1: in the lab, they'll tect the check the cancer to

860
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 1: see if the patient has any kind of genetic mutations,

861
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 1: and that's how they figured this out. So when you

862
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 1: find out that you have a genetic mutation under traditional circumstances,

863
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 1: you would say, Okay, well it's the husband or wife,

864
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 1: but when it's coming from a donor, you have to

865
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:37,839
Speaker 1: go to them. And that's exactly they did the right thing,

866
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 1: and they went to the sperm bank to say, this

867
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:44,839
Speaker 1: is what happened. And it is crazy to think that

868
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 1: because we'll get into this a little bit later at

869
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 1: the end of the story, that sperm is being used

870
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 1: for sixty sixty seven times for sixty seven different babies.

871
00:44:56,760 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 1: It does bring up a lot of questions because no

872
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 1: normal person has anywhere near that many babies, right, So

873
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:07,479
Speaker 1: aside from that, I just never I don't know why

874
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 1: I never. I never really think about that, but well

875
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 1: I never really have either, But I mean it makes

876
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 1: sense when so when a guy goes and donates his

877
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 1: sperm to a sperm bank, they do check for certain things,

878
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:24,319
Speaker 1: and they get an extensive family history and this and that.

879
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 1: But like we've talked about this many times before, they

880
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:31,800
Speaker 1: check for most common things. They they don't They can't

881
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 1: check for everything like does this guy carry the cystic

882
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 1: fibrosis gene because that's a common one, Like things like that.

883
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:41,879
Speaker 1: They can't check for every single genetic variant because it's

884
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:45,279
Speaker 1: just not it's not happening. There's just there's so many

885
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:49,799
Speaker 1: endless possibilities. So this particular one that this guy has,

886
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 1: they didn't check for. And they said even when some

887
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 1: of these babies were born, they didn't even know that

888
00:45:56,280 --> 00:46:00,439
Speaker 1: this particular gene mutation was responsible for cancer. So even

889
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 1: if they did know, they still wouldn't have advised against

890
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:07,319
Speaker 1: using it because they didn't know at the time. So,

891
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 1: as Maria was saying, there's twenty three kids are test

892
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 1: positive for this mutation, and ten of them have been

893
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 1: diagnosed with leukemia, which is a cancer of the blood cells,

894
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:21,280
Speaker 1: non Hodgkins lymphoma, which is a cancer of lymphatic cells,

895
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:24,920
Speaker 1: which could be in the lymphodes or other organs. And

896
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 1: the scary thing is is that some of these cancers

897
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:30,360
Speaker 1: will kill these kids like they I mean, some kids

898
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 1: can survive leukemia and non Hodgkins lymphoma, depending on which

899
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 1: type it is, and some kids don't. It just depends

900
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 1: what type it is, and it it depends how they

901
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 1: respond to treatment, And it is scary to not know

902
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 1: that that something like that is there. I mean, I

903
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:50,239
Speaker 1: guess a lot of people have that situation though, that

904
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 1: they find out that they have a gene with you know,

905
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 1: they have a baby with somebody, and then that person

906
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 1: has a weird thing that they're carrying and stuff like that.

907
00:46:58,040 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 1: So there's never going to be a way to hunt

908
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 1: undred percent prevent something like this. But someone had brought

909
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 1: up with the sperm sperm donors. Now getting back to

910
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 1: this guy having all of these children and donating to

911
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 1: all of these these pregnancies, that there's they they are

912
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 1: advising against it because they're saying, not every guy has

913
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:25,800
Speaker 1: sixty seven kids. Right, So now, like if this was

914
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 1: a regular situation where this guy was just having sex

915
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 1: with a woman and having three kids, let's say you

916
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:37,280
Speaker 1: would only put three of these mutations into the world,

917
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:41,759
Speaker 1: and that's and then you know, that's it. Now it's

918
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 1: like you're put you put sixty seven people possibly have

919
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 1: these mutations, you know what I mean, into the world,

920
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 1: and it's like you're you're it's an abnormal dissemination of

921
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:55,760
Speaker 1: genetic disease when it doesn't when naturally it wouldn't occur

922
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 1: that way. Does that make sense?

923
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, of course. And then I guess this quote

924
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 2: from the clinic said, this is why we have proactively

925
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:07,320
Speaker 2: implemented our own international limit of seventy five families per donor.

926
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 2: That is an incredibly large amount of families. I feel

927
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 2: like it needs to be way smaller, like you're saying,

928
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:16,319
Speaker 2: and earlier when you were talking about like obviously these

929
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 2: traits could come up earlier and stuff I wanted to

930
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:22,719
Speaker 2: I was thinking about it because they were saying in

931
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 2: the article that even though they test the sperm, they

932
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:27,879
Speaker 2: can't test for things they don't know they're looking for,

933
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:30,759
Speaker 2: except for the obvious things that you were talking about.

934
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 1: But what if on.

935
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 2: A case like this, somebody donates their sperm and they

936
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:37,839
Speaker 2: lie about having a mutation they're aware of, or they

937
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 2: lie about a family history of a disease because they

938
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 2: don't want to be turned down.

939
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 1: Because a lot of completely possible because people are doing

940
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 1: it for mine. I mean, they don't get for mud

941
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:46,359
Speaker 1: a lot.

942
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:49,280
Speaker 2: But yeah, but I feel like a lot of college

943
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 2: kids do it because it's quick cash. And why would

944
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 2: you be honest about it if there was a potential

945
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:56,359
Speaker 2: you were going to be shot down?

946
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's that's always something. And they're like,

947
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:04,319
Speaker 1: they only test for so much, so you know, Yeah,

948
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:07,439
Speaker 1: I mean, actually it is scary. It is scary because

949
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:10,880
Speaker 1: you don't know, like and and then you have people

950
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 1: that are donating that aren't medical people Like I feel

951
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:16,880
Speaker 1: like if someone asked me, do you have a family

952
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:19,359
Speaker 1: history of everything? I just think, like all the way

953
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:21,479
Speaker 1: back to all the stories I've ever heard and things

954
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:23,759
Speaker 1: that I think are relative which other people might not

955
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:28,279
Speaker 1: think are relative, or so like stuff like that. But

956
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 1: I don't know.

957
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 2: I don't know a lot of a lot of families too,

958
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 2: are not open about when things are wrong in their family, right,

959
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:39,479
Speaker 2: Like you might know a family member has something wrong

960
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 2: with them, and then you inquire about it because you're

961
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:44,400
Speaker 2: like thinking about starting a family, and then you know

962
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 2: you have your aunt just like being like, oh, they're

963
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 2: just silly, and it's like, no, but what's wrong with

964
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 2: this person?

965
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:52,239
Speaker 1: Like I want to know? Well, I think that will

966
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 1: get better the more like your your generation on, because

967
00:49:55,680 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 1: of the advancements with with medical record keeping. Like let

968
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 1: me tell you for example, like my grandpap, this is

969
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 1: pop Pop's dad. He died from cancer. And then so

970
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:10,080
Speaker 1: I say, okay, he had cancer. What kind of cancer

971
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 1: did he have? He had musicthelioma because he worked in

972
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 1: the shipyard and then I'm like okay, And then I'll

973
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:17,920
Speaker 1: talk to him my did later and I'll say, yeah,

974
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 1: like he was in the hospital and he had cancer

975
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:21,919
Speaker 1: in his brain and he you know, that's how he died.

976
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:25,320
Speaker 1: And then I'm like, wait, music, thelioma doesn't typically spread

977
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:27,399
Speaker 1: to the brain, so like, what's what am I missing here?

978
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:31,920
Speaker 1: That's that's unusual. And then he says later, oh, you know,

979
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:34,439
Speaker 1: my dad, i'd have his whole stomach caught out. Oh

980
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:36,279
Speaker 1: he had it was bleeding and this and that, And

981
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 1: You're like, did he have gasher cancer, because that's something

982
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 1: I kind of want to know. Like you start now,

983
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:43,440
Speaker 1: I wasn't cancer, you just had an ulcer, And you

984
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 1: start going back and you're like, the history is so

985
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 1: choppy because it's hearsay, whereas now it's like people have

986
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 1: this stuff in writing and it's it's a little bit

987
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 1: more okay, this is you definitely know. So especially like

988
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 1: for example, if my grandpap had music ALIUMA, that's not

989
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:03,440
Speaker 1: really a risk to me because he did work at

990
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:06,760
Speaker 1: the Navy shipyard and that would be an environmental cause

991
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:09,759
Speaker 1: of cancer. And he also smokes cigarettes too, so like

992
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 1: that combination is like, okay, he had musicaliuma, but like

993
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 1: that's not a high risk for me, But like if

994
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:16,920
Speaker 1: he had gast your cancer, there are certain kind of

995
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 1: gastric cancers that are genetic and that's something I definitely

996
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:23,799
Speaker 1: need to know about. So the more time goes on,

997
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 1: you'll know more and more about your history and that

998
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 1: would be less likely to happen hopefully, because you hear

999
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:34,120
Speaker 1: about this, Like sometimes you're talking to people and they'll say, oh,

1000
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 1: they're especially with like ovarian and breast cancer for women.

1001
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 1: You're just like, oh, those people should be tested like

1002
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:42,719
Speaker 1: right now for for Brocket gens and to see if

1003
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 1: they have Yeah, you know, but a lot of times,

1004
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:47,880
Speaker 1: like people just don't really think about that kind of stuff.

1005
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 1: And so when you're given when when these guys are

1006
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:53,800
Speaker 1: given their history, like they might just not know, especially

1007
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:56,439
Speaker 1: like a guy, like a guy usually doesn't get half

1008
00:51:56,440 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 1: the story right. So it's like the combination is not great.

1009
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 1: But yeah, so it sucks for these people because they

1010
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:09,959
Speaker 1: obviously like they needed to get a sperm donation because

1011
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:11,799
Speaker 1: they were trying to start a family, and now they

1012
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 1: unknowingly like you.

1013
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:17,880
Speaker 2: Know, well, what do you think is a fair number

1014
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:21,400
Speaker 2: of limit? Like do you do you limit it to

1015
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 2: I'm just handed, I.

1016
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:26,279
Speaker 1: Don't know, like a normal amount of people babies if

1017
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 1: a human would ever have, Let's say, for example, you

1018
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 1: limit it to three families, and then you give them

1019
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 1: the option to have siblings with the same sperm donor.

1020
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:37,720
Speaker 1: But like you're like, I'm capping it at three families,

1021
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 1: but they're allowed to have like up to three siblings

1022
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 1: with the same sperm donor per family, right, Like I

1023
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:47,239
Speaker 1: feel like that's reasonable. I'm not a fan of like

1024
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:50,319
Speaker 1: we've talked about this before of like telling people how

1025
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 1: many kids they could have and stuff like that, but

1026
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:57,400
Speaker 1: in this situation, just because it's not it's not a

1027
00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:02,320
Speaker 1: natural way of doing this, you know, because listen, like, now,

1028
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:05,000
Speaker 1: how many kids does he have? What did they say?

1029
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 1: Twenty sixty seven? But I guess sixty seven kids? Right, yeah?

1030
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 2: But I think most people going through IUI or IVF

1031
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:15,279
Speaker 2: are like not having ten children, right like they're they're

1032
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:16,319
Speaker 2: having no But I.

1033
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:18,719
Speaker 1: Just don't, like, I don't like putting the limit on

1034
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 1: it for the families that are getting the sperm donation.

1035
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 1: But so like this guy has he has sixty seven kids,

1036
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 1: and twenty three have tested positive for the gene. So

1037
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:34,920
Speaker 1: you like, there's twenty three people in the world right

1038
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:39,239
Speaker 1: now that have that. So unless those people do not

1039
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:43,800
Speaker 1: have children, do you see how that could multiply very fast? Yeah,

1040
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 1: of course, because then they have kids, then they have kids,

1041
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:48,359
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, like these twenty three

1042
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:53,440
Speaker 1: kids can now have you know, sixty grandkids and then

1043
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:56,320
Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty. Like it's it's spreading a genetic

1044
00:53:57,360 --> 00:54:02,279
Speaker 1: a genetic mutation that that would normally spread like that. No,

1045
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:05,839
Speaker 1: there should there should definitely be a limitation because of that,

1046
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:12,239
Speaker 1: and like it shouldn't matter. I don't think are they

1047
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:14,319
Speaker 1: like low on on sperm donations.

1048
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:18,440
Speaker 2: I've never heard of a shortage. So that's why I'm exactly.

1049
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:22,280
Speaker 2: I'm surprised they say there's a limit of seventy five

1050
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 2: children per donor. That's absolutely crazy to think about, it

1051
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 2: really is. And think about you like donating your sperm

1052
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 2: in college to make quick cash and then you had

1053
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:34,320
Speaker 2: seventy five kids, Like that's insane.

1054
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:38,240
Speaker 1: All right, let's move on. It is disturbing for sure.

1055
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:40,800
Speaker 2: Let's move on to Questions of the Day. Every Friday

1056
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 2: at the at Mother Knows Death Instagram account, You guys

1057
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 2: can head over to our story and ask us whatever

1058
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 2: you want. First, Are you guys into any fandoms like

1059
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 2: Harry Potter, Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, Game of Thrones.

1060
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 2: I think we all know you're really not, except maybe Strangers.

1061
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:59,839
Speaker 2: I was gonna say a Stranger Things count probably I'm

1062
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:03,439
Speaker 2: I love Stranger Things, and I feel like I get

1063
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:06,680
Speaker 2: into it a little bit more because because especially Lucia

1064
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 2: is into it, like the nerding out and the trip

1065
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:13,880
Speaker 2: to the Jackson, Uh, Georgia to go see where Stranger

1066
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 2: Things was filmed.

1067
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:16,279
Speaker 1: I don't think I would have done that on my

1068
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:19,880
Speaker 1: own because I just don't nerd out like that, but

1069
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:23,960
Speaker 1: I do to an extent for Stranger Things because of Lucia.

1070
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:29,440
Speaker 1: Like we're going to Atlanta soon and I want to

1071
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 1: go look at some of the other I think we

1072
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:33,759
Speaker 1: can go visit the mall where they filmed and the

1073
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:38,239
Speaker 1: Krill House, so I'm excited about that. I like the

1074
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:41,200
Speaker 1: Harry Potter films, but I'm not I wouldn't consider myself

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00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:43,319
Speaker 1: to be in like the fandom. I enjoy watching them,

1076
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 1: but I'm not gonna go a mercurdy. Lillian told me today,

1077
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:50,839
Speaker 1: she goes I started watching this show called Twilight. Oh

1078
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:53,279
Speaker 1: my god. I was like, oh my god, Maria was

1079
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 1: obsessed with the Robert Pattinson poster on the wall and

1080
00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:59,160
Speaker 1: everything that could be like a fandom.

1081
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:01,120
Speaker 2: Right, No, I might have to have them over for

1082
00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:05,719
Speaker 2: a girls' night and then we because yeah that yeah,

1083
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 2: that was definitely I mean yeah, in my youth, the

1084
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 2: fandom of Twilight huge for me. I mean, Gilmore Girls

1085
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:15,560
Speaker 2: is probably the biggest fandom women where Like, I watch

1086
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:16,320
Speaker 2: it religiously.

1087
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 1: I have a bunch of like sweatshirts and like cups.

1088
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 2: And you know, all things like that, but none of

1089
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 2: the more sci fi stuff like you described your question

1090
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:26,239
Speaker 2: per se.

1091
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:29,719
Speaker 1: But like Star Wars, I just don't get it. Yeah,

1092
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:32,719
Speaker 1: I just really like it, like we go even if

1093
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:35,000
Speaker 1: you go to Disney, Like I could look around and

1094
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:37,680
Speaker 1: appreciate that it's coal and stuff, but I just don't.

1095
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:39,759
Speaker 1: I don't get the attraction with it.

1096
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:42,880
Speaker 2: Well. I was really into like comic book stuff for

1097
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:44,960
Speaker 2: a while when I was a teenager, but then they

1098
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:47,759
Speaker 2: start making so many movies and I get overwhelmed. It's

1099
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:50,040
Speaker 2: kind of how I feel about Ninety Day Fiance. Like

1100
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:52,359
Speaker 2: I thought it was the best show ever, and then

1101
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:54,440
Speaker 2: all of a sudden. It was on every day of

1102
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:56,839
Speaker 2: the week, two hour episodes, and then once I feel

1103
00:56:56,880 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 2: like I can't catch up, I just lose interest in it.

1104
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:04,239
Speaker 2: Never mimic that first was that the first season with

1105
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:08,000
Speaker 2: the who was the like the craziest couple of all time,

1106
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:13,040
Speaker 2: the guy the guy that was from Tunisia and and

1107
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:18,120
Speaker 2: the lady that was like the mom, oh.

1108
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:22,280
Speaker 1: What's her name Danielle and I forget the guy's name.

1109
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 1: I yeah, everybody thought that like that that was just

1110
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:28,479
Speaker 1: like you'll never match that ever.

1111
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:31,080
Speaker 2: I mean, that show was incredible for a long time,

1112
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:33,280
Speaker 2: but it just got like way too out of hand,

1113
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 2: all right.

1114
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:40,040
Speaker 1: Next end ofmetriosis advice. So Maria and I both have endometriosis.

1115
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:43,320
Speaker 1: I don't really have any advice. Well I do, actually,

1116
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 1: because a lot of times doctors will blow you off

1117
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:50,480
Speaker 1: about it, and there are certain doctors around that will

1118
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:54,200
Speaker 1: take it seriously and they'll give you a procedure to

1119
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:58,160
Speaker 1: remove some of it, but every doctor won't do it,

1120
00:57:58,200 --> 00:57:59,960
Speaker 1: and lots of doctors will blow you off and out

1121
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:04,200
Speaker 1: like it's nothing. So if you think you have it,

1122
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:08,040
Speaker 1: the problem with endometriosis is that you can't really diagnose

1123
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:11,520
Speaker 1: it by imaging, you could see certain changes that might

1124
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:13,880
Speaker 1: show that they're scarring and stuff, but really the only

1125
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:17,520
Speaker 1: way to diagnose it is by biopsying it, and you

1126
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:20,560
Speaker 1: would have to get an invasive procedure like a laparoscopy

1127
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 1: to get that done. And some of the theory is

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00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:27,880
Speaker 1: that if you're having problems with scarring from endometriosis, if

1129
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:30,320
Speaker 1: you go in and do a laparoscopy, you could cause

1130
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:33,680
Speaker 1: more scarring, especially if you're cutting out a lot of tissue.

1131
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:37,600
Speaker 1: But at the same time that seems to be giving

1132
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:40,520
Speaker 1: women more relief to cut out the endometriosis and just

1133
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:45,240
Speaker 1: like praying that the scarring doesn't get worse. So you

1134
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:49,000
Speaker 1: should definitely push it because there are doctors, like in

1135
00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:51,880
Speaker 1: Jersey and in Philadelphia, we know there's doctors that do

1136
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:54,520
Speaker 1: the surgery. One of our friends have it done too,

1137
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 1: and it's kind of life changing, so you don't have

1138
00:58:57,360 --> 00:59:00,160
Speaker 1: to live with it. And sometimes they want to what

1139
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 1: you on hormone and stuff, and I'm kind of like

1140
00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:05,520
Speaker 1: not into that, but you could do what you want

1141
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:08,160
Speaker 1: to do. I just I personally think like I would

1142
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:08,840
Speaker 1: get it caught out.

1143
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:14,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, like I think for endemytriosis, you have

1144
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:17,280
Speaker 2: to be your best advocate if you really feel like

1145
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:19,800
Speaker 2: something's wrong. You know how many years have the both

1146
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:22,280
Speaker 2: of us just been told like periods hurt, you know,

1147
00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:24,880
Speaker 2: like when you're like, well, I don't think they should

1148
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:26,400
Speaker 2: hurt to the point where I feel like I have

1149
00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:28,880
Speaker 2: to go to the emergency room. But you don't go

1150
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:30,840
Speaker 2: to the hospital because you know they're gonna blow you

1151
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:33,400
Speaker 2: off too and send you home. So I think it's

1152
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:35,680
Speaker 2: really important when you're telling the doctor and if you

1153
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:38,680
Speaker 2: feel like you're getting blown off getting a second opinion,

1154
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:41,560
Speaker 2: or if you're like in my case, for example, it

1155
00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:45,120
Speaker 2: was really severe, and I just, you know, I was

1156
00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:47,680
Speaker 2: really frustrated because I was being vocal about it, but

1157
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:50,200
Speaker 2: I felt like nobody was like hearing me. But I

1158
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:53,640
Speaker 2: also wasn't taking the extra steps to seek out a specialist.

1159
00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:58,040
Speaker 2: And when I finally got some type of like approval

1160
00:59:58,120 --> 01:00:00,320
Speaker 2: by a doctor so to say, to like see out

1161
01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:03,400
Speaker 2: the specialists and I went there, it was life changing

1162
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:06,280
Speaker 2: for me. I mean, I had the procedure two months ago.

1163
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:09,320
Speaker 2: I've had two periods since, and my life is completely different.

1164
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:12,240
Speaker 2: And I'll talk a lot about the procedure at a

1165
01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:15,600
Speaker 2: later time, but it has definitely changed my life, and

1166
01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:18,560
Speaker 2: I've realized, like, wow, I didn't need to be in

1167
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:21,640
Speaker 2: that much pain for fifteen years. It's like insane.

1168
01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:24,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, And one of the cool things now is that

1169
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:27,400
Speaker 1: I'm older and I'm going through the menopause thing a

1170
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:32,840
Speaker 1: little bit, or perimenopause whatever. It goes away, like when

1171
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:36,200
Speaker 1: your hormones aren't the same anymore, it goes away, so

1172
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:40,840
Speaker 1: like it will eventually go away for you. Also, this

1173
01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:43,840
Speaker 1: the glue we should mention the gluten free diet.

1174
01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:46,760
Speaker 2: Well. Yeah, so what was really interesting is that my

1175
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:50,240
Speaker 2: postop appointment I had, my doctor had suggested I do

1176
01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:52,400
Speaker 2: the low fod map diet because I don't know if

1177
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:54,760
Speaker 2: a lot of people know this, but even though I

1178
01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:57,280
Speaker 2: just had all my endometriosis removed, I mean, it could

1179
01:00:57,320 --> 01:00:59,640
Speaker 2: grow back, and I could there's a potential I have

1180
01:00:59,720 --> 01:01:01,680
Speaker 2: to have it another surgery later in my life. So

1181
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:04,760
Speaker 2: like in the meantime, my doctor had suggested doing the

1182
01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:07,720
Speaker 2: low fodmap diet, which is a low inflammation diet.

1183
01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:10,400
Speaker 1: It's a pain in the ass. It's such a pain

1184
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:10,880
Speaker 1: in the ass.

1185
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:13,800
Speaker 2: But I had just you know, equipped like, oh I

1186
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:16,120
Speaker 2: did that before because I have a gluten problem. And

1187
01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:18,480
Speaker 2: she was like, that's so interesting you say that because

1188
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:22,760
Speaker 2: most of my endometriosis patients have gluten intolerances, and I

1189
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:26,120
Speaker 2: don't think there's necessarily like all that many studies done

1190
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:30,000
Speaker 2: linking them together, but it's something she's noticed, and well.

1191
01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:33,880
Speaker 1: Gluten is definitely linked to inflammation. So yeah, that's one

1192
01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:36,600
Speaker 1: hundred percent. So anytime you have any kind of an

1193
01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:40,000
Speaker 1: inflammatory process going on in your body, it's best to limit.

1194
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:42,120
Speaker 1: I don't know if you need to. I mean, we

1195
01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:45,280
Speaker 1: completely exclude, but you could also just limit it a

1196
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:48,439
Speaker 1: lot as well, and I think that that will be good.

1197
01:01:48,560 --> 01:01:52,440
Speaker 1: And the FODMAP, like, I don't know. If I was

1198
01:01:52,600 --> 01:01:55,800
Speaker 1: like Kim Kardashian and had a chef living in my house,

1199
01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:58,400
Speaker 1: I would eat the low FODAP diet every day because

1200
01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:00,400
Speaker 1: somebody was making my food and I would have to

1201
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:04,200
Speaker 1: think about it. But it's just a lot. It's it's hard.

1202
01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:07,520
Speaker 2: But like when I in twenty twenty was having all

1203
01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:09,960
Speaker 2: my stomach issues and I couldn't figure out what it was.

1204
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:12,160
Speaker 2: I mean, I lost I think thirty pounds in like

1205
01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:15,040
Speaker 2: six weeks, like something outrageously, to the point where my

1206
01:02:15,120 --> 01:02:17,040
Speaker 2: manager at the bar pulled me aside and was like

1207
01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:18,000
Speaker 2: are you on drugs?

1208
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:21,360
Speaker 1: Like are you okay? You just like he's like, we

1209
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:23,880
Speaker 1: love You're like no, I wish I was actually because

1210
01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:25,600
Speaker 1: I'd be having a good time here, like I'm not

1211
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:27,560
Speaker 1: eating anything and I'm miserable.

1212
01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:29,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I literally can't eat anything. I feel like

1213
01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:32,440
Speaker 2: I'm going to pass out every time I eat. And

1214
01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:35,960
Speaker 2: then I did the low fodmap diet and I mean

1215
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:37,840
Speaker 2: it changed my life. It made me realize I was

1216
01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:40,080
Speaker 2: allergic to gluten and when I stopped eating it, it

1217
01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:43,200
Speaker 2: totally changed my entire life. So well, I do feel

1218
01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:45,960
Speaker 2: like a douchebag for being like I'm gluten free, especially

1219
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:48,840
Speaker 2: because of all this years working in the restaurant and

1220
01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:50,360
Speaker 2: being so judgment.

1221
01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:53,600
Speaker 1: Said they were, I feel like that too, Like when

1222
01:02:53,640 --> 01:02:55,400
Speaker 1: they me and Maria always said when we go to

1223
01:02:55,440 --> 01:02:57,840
Speaker 1: a restaurant and they're like, does anyone have any allergies here?

1224
01:02:57,920 --> 01:03:01,800
Speaker 1: I'm like, now we're good, yes, because we don't want

1225
01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:04,120
Speaker 1: people to be like, oh, you're that person.

1226
01:03:04,040 --> 01:03:06,040
Speaker 2: Because we'd have people come in the bar that would

1227
01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:08,760
Speaker 2: be absolute assholes about like I can't have any gluten

1228
01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:10,280
Speaker 2: and blah blah blah blah, and I'm like, well, hey,

1229
01:03:10,280 --> 01:03:13,280
Speaker 2: there's we do have gluten free options, but there's obviously

1230
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:16,480
Speaker 2: the risk of cross contamination. But then five minutes later

1231
01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:19,280
Speaker 2: they've ordered a beer and I'm like, do you realize

1232
01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:21,520
Speaker 2: that beer has gluten in it? And I'm not talking

1233
01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:24,840
Speaker 2: about like, you know, there's theories that like Corona's Light

1234
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:27,920
Speaker 2: or whatever is gluten free, or there's ciders and everything

1235
01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:31,200
Speaker 2: like that. No, I'm talking like a full gluten beer,

1236
01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:35,360
Speaker 2: like Guinness something crazy. So that's why I'd be judgmental

1237
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:37,360
Speaker 2: of it. But now that I'm in the position, I

1238
01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:38,640
Speaker 2: understand a little better.

1239
01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:42,360
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think there's a difference between us just

1240
01:03:43,640 --> 01:03:46,880
Speaker 1: like not eliminating it from our diet versus people who

1241
01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:50,240
Speaker 1: are saliac. Yeah, of course, because for me, I'm like,

1242
01:03:50,280 --> 01:03:53,280
Speaker 1: if I'm at a restaurant, there's things that I know

1243
01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:56,400
Speaker 1: that are safe, like a salad, for example. But people

1244
01:03:56,400 --> 01:04:00,600
Speaker 1: who have sliac are just like, well, does that trussing

1245
01:04:00,680 --> 01:04:03,320
Speaker 1: have glue? You know, like they get they get because

1246
01:04:03,360 --> 01:04:05,800
Speaker 1: they will get so sick from having a little bit

1247
01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:08,320
Speaker 1: of it. And I just try to keep out as

1248
01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:12,160
Speaker 1: much as I possibly can without, you know, like I

1249
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:15,400
Speaker 1: feel like my my one friend that is true Celiac.

1250
01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:17,720
Speaker 1: I mean, she really just can only go to one

1251
01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:21,560
Speaker 1: restaurant around here because the owner has a siliac child

1252
01:04:21,600 --> 01:04:25,520
Speaker 1: and respects it, because like, how could you trust it otherwise.

1253
01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:28,320
Speaker 2: Well, I also just found out a gluten free bakery

1254
01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:31,640
Speaker 2: we've gone to a couple of times are not Celiac friendly.

1255
01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:34,840
Speaker 2: They said they're just gluten sensitive, which really I was

1256
01:04:34,920 --> 01:04:37,400
Speaker 2: surprised by that, which for us it doesn't matter, but

1257
01:04:37,480 --> 01:04:40,840
Speaker 2: I was surprised because thank god I ever recommended it

1258
01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:46,760
Speaker 2: to any funny that's that's that's weird. Why I'm not

1259
01:04:46,920 --> 01:04:49,880
Speaker 2: sure because I was kind of taken aback by it,

1260
01:04:49,880 --> 01:04:52,080
Speaker 2: and I don't know if the employee like misspoke, but

1261
01:04:52,680 --> 01:04:54,040
Speaker 2: I thought it was interesting.

1262
01:04:54,320 --> 01:04:56,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, But I mean that place is good, so I'm

1263
01:04:56,280 --> 01:04:59,200
Speaker 1: gonna keep going there. But that leads us because there's

1264
01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:04,360
Speaker 1: just gluten in it? Is that why maybe we've been duped? Well,

1265
01:05:04,360 --> 01:05:06,680
Speaker 1: this leads us into our last question, which is would

1266
01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:10,200
Speaker 1: you eat gluten in Italy? And I want to say

1267
01:05:10,200 --> 01:05:13,800
Speaker 1: I would because I've heard from many people that it's

1268
01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:17,760
Speaker 1: totally different over there and it doesn't bother people. And

1269
01:05:18,120 --> 01:05:21,560
Speaker 1: one of my husband's best friends, his sister, has ciliac,

1270
01:05:21,600 --> 01:05:24,320
Speaker 1: and went there and was able to she tried some

1271
01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:26,640
Speaker 1: stuff and didn't have problems. I means she couldn't fully

1272
01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:29,400
Speaker 1: commit because she was scared, but she did try like

1273
01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:32,560
Speaker 1: pasta from her family member's dinners, and she didn't have

1274
01:05:32,600 --> 01:05:35,720
Speaker 1: any issues, which makes me feel good about it. Yeah.

1275
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:40,520
Speaker 1: I think if like I might be chy, like a

1276
01:05:40,560 --> 01:05:43,760
Speaker 1: bite of pasta and then see like how I fell,

1277
01:05:44,040 --> 01:05:47,480
Speaker 1: and you know, I feel like it would be fine.

1278
01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:50,400
Speaker 1: But even if I didn't have a reaction, I still

1279
01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:52,920
Speaker 1: wouldn't eat like twenty loaves of bread. I don't want

1280
01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:56,280
Speaker 1: to overdo it, you know, like it would be really

1281
01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:58,320
Speaker 1: nice to have like a good piece of bread, though

1282
01:05:58,360 --> 01:05:59,880
Speaker 1: like it just can't be mimicked.

1283
01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:03,240
Speaker 2: I wouldn't overdo it. But I think it's also important

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Speaker 2: to note that Europe has such different regulations with how

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Speaker 2: their food is processed, so I think that's why it

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Speaker 1: I mean, the food in.

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Speaker 2: America is basically poisoned at this point, and over there

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Speaker 2: it's like more fresh and natural, and they have a

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Speaker 2: which is refreshing. So I think I would take the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I'm going to try to go on

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Speaker 1: the fall.

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Speaker 2: Maybe that'll be nice. All right, Well, thank you guys

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