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Speaker 1: Good morning.

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Speaker 2: It's Monday, the thirtieth October in London. This is the

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Speaker 2: Blueberg Daybreak podcast. I'm Caroline Hepcare.

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Speaker 3: And I'm Stephen Carroll. Coming up today, gunfire in Gaza.

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Speaker 3: Israeli tanks and troops enter the Palestinian territory as geopolitical

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Speaker 3: tensions rise.

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Speaker 2: Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyah, who faces calls to step

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Speaker 2: down over the seventh of October security failures.

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Speaker 3: Plus negotiations go down under Australia once again walks away

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Speaker 3: from trade talks with the EU.

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Speaker 2: Let's start with a roundup of our top stories. Israel

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Speaker 2: sent troops and tanks into northern Gaza beginning this weekend,

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Speaker 2: in what Benjamin netanya who called the second stage of

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Speaker 2: the war against Tamas. Meanwhile, a hospital in Gaza where

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Speaker 2: thousands are sheltering, is facing an evacuation order because of

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Speaker 2: Israeli raids nearby. Jason Lee, country director at Saved the

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Speaker 2: Children Palestine, says that most people in Gaza have little

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Speaker 2: choice about where they can go.

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Speaker 1: They're still thousands of families, particularly with children with disabilities,

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Speaker 1: that cannot excess the shelters. There is nowhere that is

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Speaker 1: saving Gaza right now.

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Speaker 2: Jason Lee's comments come as the territory's Health Ministry, which

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Speaker 2: is controlled by Hamas, says that more than eight thousand

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Speaker 2: people have been killed there. Bloomberg understands that Israel's military

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Speaker 2: campaign inside Gaza is expected to last anywhere from six

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Speaker 2: weeks to six months.

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Speaker 3: The military escalation comes as Israel's Prime minister faces growing

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Speaker 3: pressure from within the government to stand down. Benjamin Ettannie,

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Speaker 3: who caused controversy with the social media post over the

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Speaker 3: weekend where he pointed the finger at intelligence chiefs for

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Speaker 3: the country's biggest security laps in decades. He later deleted

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Speaker 3: the post and apologized. The criticism came as Netania, who

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Speaker 3: addressed the nation saying that he's determined to avenge the

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Speaker 3: October seventh attack that killed fourteen hundred people. His words,

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Speaker 3: are spoken by translator.

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Speaker 4: Are hero troops. They have one supreme main goal to

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Speaker 4: completely defeat the murderous enemy and to guarantee our existence

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Speaker 4: in this country. We've always said never again, Never again,

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Speaker 4: is now.

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Speaker 3: Those comments over the weekend came as Natania, who spoke

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Speaker 3: by phone with President Biden to discuss developments in Gaza. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 3: in the US, House Republicans will vote this week on

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Speaker 3: a package to provide aid to Israel in a standalone

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Speaker 3: bill worth fourteen and a half billion dollars.

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Speaker 2: Plans to pass an Israel aid bill come as the

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Speaker 2: US said that it sees elevated risk of regional spillover

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Speaker 2: from the war between Israel and Hamas. National Security Advisor

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Speaker 2: Jake Sullivan warned this weekend that America will keep responding

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Speaker 2: to any attacks on its troops by Iranian proxies. That

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Speaker 2: is a rounds. Foreign minister warned of a wider war

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Speaker 2: with America if the country maintains its unequivocal support for Israel.

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Speaker 2: Here is what Hussain Amir Abdullah Hiyan told Bloomberg's Manis

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Speaker 2: Cranny in New York on Friday.

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Speaker 5: The United States continues what it has been doing, so forth,

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Speaker 5: New France will be opened up against the United States.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of a translator, Iran's foreign minister declined to detail

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Speaker 2: the consequences that the country might have in store. He

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Speaker 2: also denied that Iran had instructed groups in Syria and

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Speaker 2: Iraq to target US forces in recent days, saying that

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Speaker 3: To other news, HSPC has announced a three billion dollars

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Speaker 3: share buy back. In its latest results, the bank reported

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Speaker 3: pre tax profits of seven point seven to one billion

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Speaker 3: dollars for the third quarter, if that's less than the

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Speaker 3: estimated eight point one billion. Revenues from personal banking were

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Speaker 3: boosted by higher interest rates, while trading revenues were weaker.

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Speaker 3: HSPC also continues to be hit by China's real estate crisis,

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Speaker 3: reporting a charge of half a billion dollars for Lassa's

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Speaker 2: Australia has walked away from trade talks with the EU

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Speaker 2: for the second time in three months. The two sides

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Speaker 2: have been working on a free trade agreement for more

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Speaker 2: than five years. Bloomberg's Australia correspondent Paul Allen says that

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Speaker 2: while there is broad consensus across most areas, the issue

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Speaker 2: of agriculture now threatens to derail the entire deal.

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Speaker 6: As for what happens next, could be months, could be

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Speaker 6: years before this gets done again. The Agriculture and Minister

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Speaker 6: Murray Wyatt saying that it might be until after the

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Speaker 2: But Paul Allen says that both sides are still motivated

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Speaker 2: to reach an agreement. For Australia, the center left labor

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Speaker 2: government needs a win after facing criticism by opposition figures

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Speaker 2: for not focusing enough on the economy. Meanwhile, European Commissioned

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Speaker 2: President Asta Vondelan needs a victory on trade after a

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Speaker 3: And here in the UK, house prices are declining and

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Speaker 3: data from the property portal Zupla. The site says that

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Speaker 3: eighty percent of local areas saw year on year price

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Speaker 3: declines in September. That's up from about five percent just

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Speaker 3: six months ago. The figures come as households face a

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Speaker 3: barrage of pressures, including higher borrowing rates and the cost

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Speaker 3: drop by almost a quarter this year before staying flat

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Speaker 2: Those are our top stories. These are the markets right now.

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Speaker 2: U Stock's fifty futures are declining, but barely down a

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Speaker 2: tenth of one percent. The MSCI Asia Pacific Index is

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Speaker 2: down four tenths of one percent, and ten year treasury

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Speaker 2: four point eight seven percent.

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Speaker 3: So looking, of course, following their late developments this morning

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Speaker 3: out of the Middle East as well, I've been looking

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Speaker 3: at one of the pieces being written by our Bloomberg

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Speaker 3: Winian columnists, Mark Champion, and this Mark, of course a

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Speaker 3: very interesting voice to watch us, of course, a very

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Speaker 3: experienced reporter in his national affairs as well, and to

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Speaker 3: see that he is writing this morning looking at the

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Speaker 3: potential path to change that comes from this conflict as well,

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Speaker 3: saying that it's Raelian Palatinans must acknowledge each other's pain.

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Speaker 3: This at a time when we're looking at the expansion

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Speaker 3: of the ground offensive in Gaza, this is perhaps a

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Speaker 3: longer look at how things may change after the events

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Speaker 3: of the past month in that region, and that the

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Speaker 3: gulf between where Israelis and Palestinians are seems so wide.

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Speaker 3: But yeahs, Mark Champion is writing to the potential that

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Speaker 3: this does open up for you know, where reconciliation could

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Speaker 3: come further down the line.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, although this question about what the plan is for

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Speaker 2: Gaza post war is really an unanswered question that a

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Speaker 2: lot of people are being asked about. At the moment.

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Speaker 2: The focus for Israel is on the enco version on

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Speaker 2: the offensive in Gaza. What exactly is the aim in

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Speaker 2: seem to be less than perhaps many had anticipated in

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Speaker 2: the direct aftermath of the seventh of October, and yet

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Speaker 2: equally in terms of Palestinians and what is happening on

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Speaker 2: the humanitarian front, equally disastrous. You know, the concerns around

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Speaker 2: what it means the cutoff in terms of communications over

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Speaker 3: Well, let's get more now from Bloomberg on around who's

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Speaker 3: following the story for us this morning, Honor. We are

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Speaker 3: looking at now a second day since that ground invasion

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Speaker 3: was expanded from into Gaza. What's the latest that we're

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Speaker 3: hearing this morning about what what's happening with that military offensive.

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Speaker 1: The military offensive is gradually widening inside Gaza, strip Israeli

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Speaker 1: tanks and armored vehicles are located in the north of

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Speaker 1: Gaza Strip, and unlike previous splashes with Hamas a few

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Speaker 1: years back, we see that the Israelian military has been

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Speaker 1: foxing its GRAM activities in open areas outside of urban centers.

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Speaker 1: Now it might change going forward, but so far the

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Speaker 1: activity seems to have focused on areas outside of urban

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Speaker 1: it's been striking tunnel warehouses, decos, adminition that was used

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Speaker 1: by Hamas, and it's also said it's killed a dozen

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Speaker 2: What is happening to Palestinian civilians? Calls for more aid?

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Speaker 2: I mean, the US said this over the weekend, one

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Speaker 2: that there has to be distinguishing between Harmas, which are

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Speaker 1: Well, much of the Israeli military operations over the past

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Speaker 1: shortly after the over seven Hamaster texts in Israel. So

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Speaker 1: it's hard to say how much surgical an operation can

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Speaker 1: but one of the key demands by the Israeli authorities

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Speaker 1: has been that Gaza people in Gaza who live in

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Speaker 1: the northern turtle of the Gaza Strip should evacuate to

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Speaker 1: this town. Now we know that it's this. According to

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Speaker 1: in the southern tip of Galaza Strip, where humanitarian conditions

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Speaker 1: of oil were being stored, were actually ransacked by Listinians

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Speaker 1: US and other countries have been calling for more humanitarian

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Speaker 1: We believe a little over that one hundred and fifteen

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Speaker 1: and agencies reckon it's somewhere around two percent of Gaza's day.

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Speaker 3: In Gros series at all, honor, thank you very much

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Speaker 3: for joining us with the latest on that this morning.

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Speaker 3: That's our Turkey bureau chief there on our entrep Now.

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Speaker 2: After spending years building up soft power, Qatar's clout has

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Speaker 2: been put to the test in the Israel hamas Wore.

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Speaker 2: The small Gulf nation with its four hundred and seventy

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Speaker 2: based broadcaster Al Jazeera, has become quite pivotal. Joining us

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Speaker 2: now to discuss as Sylvia Westall on Bloomberg's Big Take

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Speaker 2: examining what has happened after the seventh of October attack. Sylvia,

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Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. How did Qatar, which

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Speaker 2: has relations with Hamas, the Taliban in Afghanistan, and also

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Speaker 2: the US and Israel, become a go between? It's become

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Speaker 2: quite pivotal also when it comes to the hostages being

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Speaker 2: held by Harmas in Gaza.

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Speaker 7: That's right. I mean, Katar spent more than a decade

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Speaker 7: trying to position itself as a Middle East go between.

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Speaker 7: That's meant it to come under criticism from its neighbors

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Speaker 7: for housing Hamas leaders while also having these channels to Israel,

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Speaker 7: though it doesn't recognize it formerly. So it's been able

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Speaker 7: to sort of talk to both the Israeli side and

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Speaker 7: to Hamas to try and help free some of the

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Speaker 7: hostages that were taken in the October seventh attack by

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Speaker 7: Hamas on Israel. There are more than two hundred hostages

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Speaker 7: believed to be held in Gaza, and so far only

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Speaker 7: four have been released, and Katar has been involved in

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Speaker 7: those negotiations.

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Speaker 3: Sylvia. So we're seeing, I suppose, evidence of the role

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Speaker 3: that's been played regionally in this conflict. As well, but

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Speaker 3: what happens from here? Katar has also been accused of

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Speaker 7: That's right. I mean, it's a tricky position because obviously

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Speaker 7: it has all these ties and then it's asked by

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Speaker 7: So it's really it's a position that really has It's

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Speaker 7: you know, we spoke to Dennis Ross, who served as

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Speaker 7: he said, you know, Kata can't have it both ways.

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Speaker 7: They say, they can't say that they're a bridge and

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Speaker 7: And the onus now is on Katar to get more

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Speaker 7: hostages out and Katarnie deliver. Obviously, that's become more complicated

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Speaker 7: just a tricky position for Kata to be in. It's

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Speaker 7: trying to position itself as this indispensable country that talk

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Speaker 2: Yeah, indeed, and the issue around hostages and what cut

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Speaker 2: significant one. There is pressure on Benjamin Letania, who actually

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Speaker 2: met with the families of a lot of the hostages

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Speaker 2: There's also going you know, this is a hugely pivotal issue,

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Speaker 7: That's right, I mean we've seen that, you know, by

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Speaker 7: the focus has shifted away from those hostage negotiations, and

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Speaker 7: the sense that when we spoke to people who were

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Speaker 7: the concern was that Hamas was dragging out the release

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Speaker 7: On the other hand, as well, you did have a

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