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Speaker 1: The bad outweighed the good On Sunday, Welcome Bird Gang.

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Speaker 1: On today's show, Paul Calvic joins me, what did he see?

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Speaker 1: Field level Cardinals once again struggled in the passing game

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Speaker 1: to interceptions certainly didn't help matters. The defense played well

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Speaker 1: well enough to win, and individually there were some bright spots,

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Speaker 1: especially among the younger talent. It's Cardinals Cover two, episode

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Speaker 1: six ninety two, and it starts now.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two.

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Speaker 3: Who to Baker?

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Speaker 2: What Heart? What rent?

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Speaker 3: This guy's unbelievable?

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Speaker 3: He's it again, so more hurry magic.

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Speaker 2: Whoa, here's Craig grioloud.

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Speaker 1: Just because I know you're such a huge fan of

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Speaker 1: their head coach, Paul, did you happen to notice after

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Speaker 1: a week eight what team leads the NFC West?

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Speaker 3: Oh boy, yeah, coach double Rainbow. I know, I know

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Speaker 3: he's feeling himself. He's smelling himself up there in Seattle.

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Speaker 3: I get it. You know Jamal Adams going all Lienal

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Speaker 3: Messi there with the header that put the PJ. Walker

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Speaker 3: the win and the division lead. But yeah, some good

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Speaker 1: Five and two, because the forty nine ers inexplicably have

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Speaker 3: Oh, contrere over there, Craig greg and you saw that coming. No,

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Speaker 3: I'm not gonna say inexplicably. I can explain it. In

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Speaker 3: five interceptions. There you go. Now, does that remind you

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Speaker 1: Wait, a transition here on Cardinals Cover two presented by Hundai,

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Speaker 1: proudly partner of the Arizona Cardinals, as we discuss Sunday's

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Speaker 1: thirty one twenty four loss to the Ravens. Five straight losses,

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Speaker 1: one in seven overall, and if it were not for

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Speaker 1: that fourth quarter in which the Cardinals outscored Baltimore seventeen

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Speaker 1: the interceptions. Josh Dobbs two more picks. That is now

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Speaker 1: You protect the football, you stay on the field, give

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Speaker 3: The first interception was a bad pass, second interception was

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Speaker 3: back to the first one. This sas happened before. It

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Speaker 3: moments away, and all of a sudden, he air mails

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Speaker 3: Saw zero consideration of the rookie, the fifth round rookie.

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Speaker 3: And so because if if he was ready, Craig, there's

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Speaker 1: It's a good point because players know players yep, watch practice.

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Speaker 1: The two interceptions that Dobbs through according to next Gen Stats,

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Speaker 1: John Harbaugh on Michael Pierce quote, he just took over

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Speaker 3: patient walked into my office, I'd tell that patient you

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Speaker 3: better consider weight loss or you're a candidate for knee

432
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Speaker 3: replacement in ten years. But this guy's a professional nose tackle,

433
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Speaker 3: so yes, he wears it well.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of the defense, and why I think a lot

435
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Speaker 1: of fans Paul are frustrated by the Cardinals offense is

436
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Speaker 1: because that Cardinals defense. Considering what Lamar Jackson and the

437
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Speaker 1: Ravens did a week goo to the Bolt to the

438
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Speaker 1: Detroit Lions, more than five hundred yards of total offense

439
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Speaker 1: better than nine yards per play. Well they were held.

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Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson was held to a season low one fifty

441
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Speaker 1: epened through the air, He completed less than seventy percent

442
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Speaker 1: of his passes for only the second time this season,

443
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Speaker 1: and the defense overall allowed a season low in net

444
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Speaker 1: passing yards and had its best efforts since Week one

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Speaker 1: as far as total yards allowed. That Cardinals defense played

446
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Speaker 1: extremely well. And yeah they did give up some scores,

447
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Speaker 1: but two of those scores came on short field and

448
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Speaker 1: that quick change. Now they'll tell you we still need

449
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Speaker 1: to keep you out of the end zone. They were

450
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Speaker 1: unable to but that defense did enough to keep the

451
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Speaker 1: team in the game, and the owners falls on the

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Speaker 1: offense to finish the job, and they did not.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the only glaring deficiency would be the red zone

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Speaker 3: right where Baltimore went four for four in the red zone.

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Speaker 3: Otherwise everything else, I mean, like like Jalen Thompson said

456
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Speaker 3: after the game quote, I think the defense took a

457
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Speaker 3: big step today. So how refreshing was it to have

458
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Speaker 3: your starting safety for the first time since Week one?

459
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Speaker 3: How many tackles hit Jalen Thompson and Buddha Baker that

460
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Speaker 3: saved big plays. He didn't really feel like he had

461
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Speaker 3: that big play threat from Lamar, which is saying something

462
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Speaker 3: because that's always you're talking about a guy who on

463
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Speaker 3: any snap can rip you for a big home run touchdown,

464
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Speaker 3: either through the air or with his legs. Cardinals did

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Speaker 3: a fantastic job from what I could tell, in maintaining

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Speaker 3: the rules and responsibilities, gap integrity and rushing with a

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Speaker 3: purpose and keeping him in the pocket. He didn't hurt it.

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Speaker 3: He did not hurt the Cardinals with his legs. I mean,

469
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Speaker 3: his long run was thirteen and that was really about

470
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Speaker 3: it in terms of the run game. So you know.

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Speaker 3: But once again, Lamar was able to still have a

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Speaker 3: passer rating of ninety four with all a lot of

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Speaker 3: that production. So he was efficient enough and in the

474
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Speaker 3: red zone he was money and that was the difference

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Speaker 3: in the game.

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Speaker 1: Relying on that ground game. Gus Edwards three touchdown runs.

477
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Speaker 1: But that Cardinals defense. For the first time this season,

478
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Speaker 1: you brought up Buddha Baker and Jalen Thompson since week one.

479
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Speaker 1: We also saw something that our colleague, the voice of

480
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Speaker 1: the Cardinals Day Patch, brought up right before the game,

481
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Speaker 1: and that was, hey, expect to see a rotation at cornerback,

482
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Speaker 1: and we did for the first time this season. Two

483
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Speaker 1: series at least that I noticed Marco Wilson starting on

484
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Speaker 1: the sideline. He missed six snaps. Now that doesn't sound

485
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Speaker 1: like a lot until you see that he only missed

486
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Speaker 1: two snaps total in the first seven games of the season.

487
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Speaker 1: So Budda Baker is back healthy, Jalen Thompson is back healthy.

488
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Speaker 1: You're getting Garrett Williams more snaps in the slot, and

489
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Speaker 1: now all of a sudden, Marco Wilson losing a little

490
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Speaker 1: bit of time. Antonio Hamilton's seen more time at corner

491
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Speaker 1: Starling Thomas, Paul played one hundred percent of the snaps

492
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Speaker 1: a week ago, only on the field for seventeen snaps

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Speaker 1: on Sunday, So what do you think? What do you know?

494
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Speaker 1: And then Key Treil Clark just basically a non factor

495
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Speaker 1: because he wasn't in uniform.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I have no real great insight as to what

497
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Speaker 3: Key Troll Clark has done or has failed to do

498
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Speaker 3: that has resulted in him now not even dressing for

499
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Speaker 3: the game. I'll just use the cornerback position as evidence

500
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Speaker 3: that if Clayton Tune was ready to go, he would

501
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Speaker 3: be playing, because look what they have done at corner.

502
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Speaker 3: They have gone through a number of different players. They're

503
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Speaker 3: they're gonna go with anyone the hot hand, They're gonna

504
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Speaker 3: go with anyone they can rely on. I think with

505
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Speaker 3: Marco Wilson, just my guess, they're trying to get him

506
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Speaker 3: to play the ball, you know, play the ball, and

507
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Speaker 3: too many times he's catching up the receivers and not

508
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Speaker 3: getting his head turned around and he's too apt to

509
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Speaker 3: draw the flag. You're seeing Antonio Hamilton and Starling Thomas

510
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Speaker 3: do a much better job from what I've seen, just

511
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Speaker 3: in playing the football, being less of a risk of

512
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Speaker 3: getting flagged up by the official. You know he's They've

513
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Speaker 3: been reliable in run force and tackling. So think about

514
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Speaker 3: its Starling Thomas, who's way off the radar, undrafted rookie

515
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Speaker 3: out of UAB, I believe, and for him to be

516
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Speaker 3: in there and getting meaningful snapps by week eight, it

517
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:05,200
Speaker 3: just shows you that if you show the coaching staff

518
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:08,239
Speaker 3: that you're capable, you will get an opportunity. They're not

519
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 3: playing favorites to the point where you know, if they

520
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:13,719
Speaker 3: have a better option than a Marco Wilson who went

521
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Speaker 3: in as cornerback one throughout the offseason, in training camp

522
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Speaker 3: the beginning of this season, they don't hesitate to pull

523
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Speaker 3: the trigger.

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Speaker 1: Something to keep an eye on as far as nap counts,

525
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Speaker 1: because right now, cornerback you really don't I don't think

526
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Speaker 1: you've ever had that CB one. This season it was

527
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Speaker 1: almost by default that it was Marco Wilson because he

528
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Speaker 1: was the one who had the most experienced and then

529
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Speaker 1: you are hoping Antonio Hamilton could be that guy. And

530
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Speaker 1: then in training camp it was Key Treill Clark opposite

531
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Speaker 1: Marco Wilson. And then now you go from training camp

532
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Speaker 1: starter to now inactive. That's a gigantic drop off.

533
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Speaker 3: And there is a method to the manner in which

534
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 3: they're plugging these players in, in my opinion, in that

535
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:55,920
Speaker 3: it goes something like this. Look, if it's all about

536
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 3: the future, the future is now. So if you're a

537
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Speaker 3: six round rookie Key Troll Clark, you're given every opportunity

538
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 3: to win that job and maybe even a little extra.

539
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 3: Antonio Hamilton older than the defensive coordinator in the final

540
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Speaker 3: year of contract, guess what, You're a known We know

541
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Speaker 3: what you can do. We're gonna find out what these

542
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:15,639
Speaker 3: unknowns are all about. But then eventually you got to

543
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,880
Speaker 3: come back to performance. And if someone isn't holding up,

544
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Speaker 3: and Antonio Hamilton is a proven commodity, you see it

545
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:25,399
Speaker 3: in practice every single day. Now he gets the playing time. Conversely,

546
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Speaker 3: someone comes in off the street of Starling Thomas and

547
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Speaker 3: he shows capable, then guess what he can earn an

548
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 3: opportunity and that door is opened. So anna Marco Wilson

549
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Speaker 3: in a contract year or is he he has the

550
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Speaker 3: ability to be extended after this season?

551
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Speaker 1: I believe he's twenty contracts not up. But to your point, yeah,

552
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Speaker 1: you're they.

553
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Speaker 3: Need to make a decision by this sometime in this offseason.

554
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Speaker 3: So look we've set up before. I'll say it again.

555
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Speaker 3: If the Cardinals end up with two top ten picks,

556
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Speaker 3: two top fifteen picks, good Carolina beat Houston, I would

557
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Speaker 3: not be shocked if one of those picks is cornerback

558
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 3: one a franchise. If a franchise corner is sitting there

559
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 3: in the top half a round one, I think the

560
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Speaker 3: Cardinals will be very interested.

561
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Speaker 1: So to be interested in someone on the defensive line

562
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 1: as well, although I like what Dante Stills has done,

563
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Speaker 1: and yes, Ron hopefully I'll say it from West Virginia

564
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 1: a second and a half, couple of quarterback hits, five tackles. Overall,

565
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Speaker 1: he's making the most of his opportunity, as is Amario

566
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Speaker 1: de Mercado. And we got to talk about Trey McBride

567
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Speaker 1: and what he has been able to do. He is

568
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Speaker 1: your starting tight end. In fact, played a season best

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Speaker 1: as far as not only snaps, but percentage sixty three

570
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Speaker 1: of the seventy seven offensive snaps he was on the

571
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Speaker 1: football field and had a career dry and both targets,

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Speaker 1: catches and receiving yards.

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Speaker 3: Coraig, this would be a good time to mention that

574
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Speaker 3: he's our Angry Bird Award winner for Week eight. Trey McBride,

575
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Speaker 3: not just the production, but the fact that as tight

576
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Speaker 3: end one he was out there, he was very demonstrans

577
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Speaker 3: He was incredibly energetic. He didn't haul in that one

578
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Speaker 3: third down pass. I've never seen him so hard on himself.

579
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Speaker 3: In fact, he slammed his helmet so hard the equipment

580
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 3: guys came over and checked it. They looked at it

581
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Speaker 3: sort of like you would slam your golf club like

582
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Speaker 3: you do, Craig, you know, after you chunk one out

583
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Speaker 3: of the bunker, and then all of a sudden you

584
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Speaker 3: have to check the blade to see if it's true.

585
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 3: They were checking the face mask, So, okay, is this

586
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Speaker 3: thing still legit?

587
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Speaker 2: Here?

588
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 3: Is this still game worthy? So but then he rebounded

589
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 3: and he made some more plays down this stretch, and

590
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Speaker 3: then for him to fight and get some help from

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Speaker 3: his three hundred pound friends to get into the end zone,

592
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 3: that right there qualifies as the most talacious play or player,

593
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Speaker 3: and thus Drey McBride is your Anger Beard Award winner

594
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Speaker 3: for this week.

595
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Speaker 1: That might be the play of the year, catching that

596
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Speaker 1: ball at the two yard line and then keeping his

597
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 1: feet moving, and all of a sudden, there's what four

598
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Speaker 1: or five raven defenders around him and his teammates Steve Mercado,

599
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Speaker 1: Paris Johnson, I think I saw Well Hernandez in there

600
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Speaker 1: as well, and it just became a rugby scrum and

601
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 1: it forced the momentum into the end zone. A little

602
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 1: bit surprised the whistle wasn't blown to stop that play.

603
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 1: But if the momentum is still going forward, the play's

604
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 1: not really dead yet, even though you might have twenty

605
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Speaker 1: two guys in a group trying to get that ball

606
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Speaker 1: cost for goal line.

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Speaker 3: The pile really moved when Paris Johnson and Will Hernandez

608
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Speaker 3: showed up. There was four momentum to the point where

609
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 3: they weren't blowing the whistle. But is he gonna get there?

610
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 3: Is he gonna get there? And then when the number

611
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 3: seventy and number seventy six showed up, well the full

612
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 3: out of steam and slammed into the back of the pile.

613
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 3: Well guess what that became a legit fifty car pile

614
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Speaker 3: up out on I ten.

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Speaker 1: Fourteen targets, ten catches, ninety five receiving yards and a touchdown.

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Speaker 1: And going back to your original thought, as far as Okay,

617
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Speaker 1: it's not so much this season, it's seasons beyond. You

618
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Speaker 1: have to figure out some of these players, are you

619
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Speaker 1: a part of the future, especially those players that were

620
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Speaker 1: not drafted by this front office, were not brought in

621
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Speaker 1: by this front office. So what are you doing with

622
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Speaker 1: your opportunity? And Drey McBride at least, again it's one game,

623
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Speaker 1: but if zach Ertz is unavailable, and yeah, you have

624
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 1: Jess Wayne. We saw Elijah Higgins on the field a

625
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 1: little bit more this season then we had on Sunday.

626
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Speaker 1: But McBride is the guy, and it seems to be

627
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Speaker 1: that one player that Dobbs does have an on field

628
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 1: chemistry with it is that tight.

629
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Speaker 3: End, and he's the one tight end who doesn't go

630
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 3: down in first contact. He's breaking tackles, he's making guys

631
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Speaker 3: miss that athleticism. I was talking to him last week

632
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 3: in the locker room. Is funny because I think Darren

633
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 3: Nurban had the same thing on accardinals dot com. But

634
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 3: I had asked him about that hurdle and he showed

635
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Speaker 3: me a picture on his phone from his Colorado State days.

636
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Speaker 3: He had a big hurdle and there was a professional

637
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 3: photographer who snapped the shot money picture in mid air

638
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 3: mid hurdle. It both legs up in the air as

639
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 3: he's going over a strong safety, it looked like and

640
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 3: so he's done that before. It's one of the reasons

641
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 3: he was a second round pick, the first tight end

642
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 3: taken in the twenty twenty two draft. Speaking of second

643
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 3: round picks, b jo Jelai at his first career sack,

644
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Speaker 3: and we had a chance to talk to him after

645
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 3: the game. Nick Ross kind of spoke it into existence.

646
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 3: Said he'd been good on film, he'd been doing what

647
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 3: he'd been at but he didn't have that splash play yet,

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Speaker 3: is what Nick Ross told the media going into the

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Speaker 3: Baltimore game. And Big o Jelari came in and he delivered,

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Speaker 3: and it was good just to talk to him after

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Speaker 3: the game. You can tell that obviously it was a

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Speaker 3: slow start in the offseason, but now he's finally starting

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Speaker 3: to get traction, starting to feel comfortable, getting that game confidence,

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Speaker 3: and he's got getting a lot of extra work, you know,

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Speaker 3: working with guys like Dennis Gardeck and Zaemon Collins.

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Speaker 1: After practice season, I had twenty five snaps on Sunday

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Speaker 1: for o Jelari that hard work during the week, paying

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Speaker 1: off on Sunday. And it's been a slow build for

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Speaker 1: Ojelari because he didn't have much of an offseason. But

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Speaker 1: that third quartersack, it wasn't like a bull rush and

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Speaker 1: you immediately get to the quarterback and the fact that

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Speaker 1: it was against Lamar Jackson, someone who is tough to

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Speaker 1: bring down in the pocket, scrambles around and o J

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Speaker 1: Lauri had to make a couple of different moves before

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Speaker 1: he was able to get to Lamar to bring him

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Speaker 1: for his first career sack.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a good closing speed, right, he had good burst.

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Speaker 3: You can see the athleticism. And what I like to

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Speaker 3: is you can always tell how well liked you are,

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Speaker 3: how well respected you are when you come back to

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Speaker 3: the sideline based on the reception you get. And when

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Speaker 3: he came back to the sideline, actually wrote down in

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Speaker 3: my notes the offensive line got off their keysters from

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Speaker 3: the bench and made a B line to tap him up.

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Speaker 3: Especially at Paris Johnson and a DJ Humphreys. They really

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Speaker 3: because you know what those O line D line. You know,

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Speaker 3: on Thursdays it gets really competitive and feisty. They're going

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Speaker 3: in against each other, but they're also helping each other

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Speaker 3: and trying to get into the minds of what those

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Speaker 3: guys are encountering. And so not only is Amon Collins

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Speaker 3: and Dennis Gardak, but Cardinals offensive lineman have helped bg

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Speaker 3: o Jalari. So when they see a payoff in a game,

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Speaker 3: it's sort of like, all right, it's gratifying for the teammates,

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Speaker 3: for the Vets who have been helping the young guys

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Speaker 3: as well.

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Speaker 1: Individually, there has been enough even on Sunday, but this

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Speaker 1: season De Mercado younger players bjo Jalari, Dante Stills McBride individually,

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Speaker 1: there are a number of bright spots. It's when you

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Speaker 1: put everything together that you're not quite whole yet. And

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Speaker 1: I think that's where this team is moving forward and

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Speaker 1: why twenty twenty four is so important as far as

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Speaker 1: the draft and free agency figuring out here this season. Okay,

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Speaker 1: who can we rely on? And now let's fill in

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Speaker 1: the rest.

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Speaker 3: Let me just throw out a hypothetical. Let's say you

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Speaker 3: had a fully healthy game ready Kyler Murray in that

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Speaker 3: game against Baltimore. You don't have those two interceptions, you

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Speaker 3: do have a downfield passing game, you do have a

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Speaker 3: couple of deep shots to a Rondel Moore and or

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Speaker 3: a Hollywood Brown. How different is that final score? How

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Speaker 3: different is that game? Do you have enough right now

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Speaker 3: around Kyler Murray if he comes back and he really

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Speaker 3: is the two time Pro Bowl quarterback to be competitive

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Speaker 3: to rip off a few wins maybe more down the

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Speaker 3: stretch because how many games of the Cardinals loss competitive

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Speaker 3: losses where the difference was the quarterback or lack thereof.

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Speaker 3: How many teams can win without their franchise quarterback. So

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Speaker 3: if Kyler gets plugged into this equation at some point

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Speaker 3: in November and then through December and January, could the

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Speaker 3: Cardinals theoretically go on a run like the Lions did

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Speaker 3: the end of last year where they won a bunch

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Speaker 3: of games down the stretch and really provided momentum into

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Speaker 3: the next season. Is that possible? Feasible? Doable once you

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Speaker 3: get Kyler Murray back into this offense, especially if a

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Speaker 3: James Connor is coming back and you really have a

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Speaker 3: balanced offense, which is something that when Kyler has had

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Speaker 3: it in his career, i e. The first half of

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty one, Cardinals started seven to ZH ten and

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Speaker 3: two when James Connor was having a Pro Bowl season

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty one, and they were jack stopping teams like

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Speaker 3: the Rams on the road Week four that season where

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Speaker 3: they ran for two thirty. So if you have that

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Speaker 3: sort of running game, which it's polling, you're a legit

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Speaker 3: top ten even top five running team this year. And

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Speaker 3: now you plug Kyler Murray in. I just that's what

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Speaker 3: I wonder about what's still to come. It could look

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Speaker 3: a lot different than one in seven over the last

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Speaker 3: two months of this season. Potentially, are you saying there's

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Speaker 3: a potential opportunity for the Cardinals to be the Week

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Speaker 3: one opponent of the reigning Super Bowl champions like the

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Speaker 3: Lions were for the Kansas City Chiefs.

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Speaker 2: That's see.

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Speaker 3: Now, that's just taking my observation and thinking out loud

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Speaker 3: in my thought babble and now trying to turn it

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Speaker 3: into a hot take, which it isn't.

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Speaker 1: Okay, what you don't want to do is bring up

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Speaker 1: the Detroit Lions and that comparison with the head coach.

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Speaker 1: Jonathan Gann has already shot that down because that is

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Speaker 1: something that a lot of people are noticing. You bring

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Speaker 1: in a brand new head coach and you try to

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Speaker 1: build around something, build around Jared Goff. Can this team

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Speaker 1: now build around Kyler Murray? And that's the question, what

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Speaker 1: do they have in a quarterback? And when do we

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Speaker 1: see Kyler? Is that this week against Cleveland? Probably not

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Speaker 1: likely against Atlanta? And if it is Atlanta, Paul, that's

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Speaker 1: four games, then the bye week, and then another four games,

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Speaker 1: eight games total of evaluation for Monty, Austin Ford and company. Decide.

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Speaker 1: Okaykyle the Murray, are you a part of this or

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Speaker 1: do we need to look elsewhere?

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Speaker 3: Okay, wait a minute, I'm trying to take this one

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Speaker 3: game at a time. The bye week is after Atlanta?

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Speaker 1: No, I mean you got to start with Atlanta. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's four straight games and then the bye week.

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Speaker 3: Okay, because I would say if that was the.

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Speaker 1: Bye week's not until mid December's second week in December?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, So and look, we have no assurance

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Speaker 3: that he will be active and in uniform for Atlanta.

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Speaker 3: Now they have to put him on the fifty three,

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Speaker 3: which I think they're gonna do because we're gonna see

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Speaker 3: him at some point this season, but there's no guarantee

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Speaker 3: you're gonna see him week ten. Would that make a

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Speaker 3: lot of sense? You're at home. You have James Connor back,

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Speaker 3: but look, when he's ready, he's gonna play. It's not

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Speaker 3: gonna be predicated on the opponent you have, no I mean,

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Speaker 3: that's just not part of the equation. You're not picking

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Speaker 3: your perfect opponent to come back against. You're just trying

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Speaker 3: to determine, all right, when is he equipped and at

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Speaker 3: this point equipped mentally because more than once Jonathan Gannon

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Speaker 3: has said he's quote fully healthy, he's full go. Those

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Speaker 3: are the terms that the head coaches use. So what's

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Speaker 3: left to be determined? I guess confidence level, maybe in

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Speaker 3: the injury itself, the ability to run this offense and

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Speaker 3: make sure that you are giving the Cardinals the best

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Speaker 3: chance to win when it comes to the quarterback room.

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Speaker 3: So these are other things that are part of the

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Speaker 3: equation and part of the consideration that we just don't

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Speaker 3: know at this point. How is it tracking? And you know,

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Speaker 3: I've been saying since April, I've been going with Halloween,

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Speaker 3: give or take a week. So give me some grace.

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Speaker 3: If it ends up being in Atlanta, I'm still right.

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Speaker 3: If it isn't, then I'm like Danny and I'm dead wrong.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 1: I love the obligatory shot shot at the the colleague

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Speaker 1: who can't defend themselves at the moment. But yeah, I'll

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Speaker 1: give you. I'll give you that, Paul. If you say Halloween,

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Speaker 1: give or take a week, you know, the plus or

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Speaker 1: minus the margin of error, I'll.

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Speaker 2: Give that to you.

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Speaker 3: And that's what I've been saying since April. But if

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Speaker 3: it's not Atlanta and goes beyond Atlanta, the guess what,

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Speaker 3: I'm dead wrong. And I'm over in the penalty box

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Speaker 3: with Danny Sireka as well, and she's gonna have company.

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Speaker 1: Misery loves company, as they like to say. So all

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Speaker 1: is good here and on that notes, we will put

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Speaker 1: a lid on this edition of Cardinals Cover two presented

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Speaker 1: producer Cody Fincher. For Paul Calvic, I'm Craig Riolu. We'll

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Speaker 1: talk to you next time you're on Cardinals Cover two,