WEBVTT - Mick Shots: Offseason Begins 0:00:02.600 --> 0:00:05.120 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:05.120 --> 0:00:13.160 and the Dallas Cowboys Football club. Boys. This is Mick 0:00:13.400 --> 0:00:17.360 shot screening live on Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the 0:00:17.440 --> 0:00:22.160 official Dallas Cowboys have now Here are Bill Jones, Everson 0:00:22.239 --> 0:00:30.160 Wolves and Nicky Spagnola. It is the Final Friday or 0:00:30.200 --> 0:00:32.400 the final Yeah, it's the final mix shots of the 0:00:32.520 --> 0:00:35.239 month of February. It's a final Friday in February, and 0:00:35.280 --> 0:00:41.640 that means the Friday in final It's a fabulous football Friday, 0:00:41.720 --> 0:00:52.400 the final Friday in February, very nice. And you know 0:00:52.440 --> 0:00:56.200 what that means. That means that the off season is over. 0:00:57.280 --> 0:01:00.440 It's it's almost time for the new league years. It's 0:01:00.480 --> 0:01:02.640 the month of March and Dangs are about to pick 0:01:02.720 --> 0:01:05.559 up again. Did you have a good offseason, Mickey? I did. 0:01:06.560 --> 0:01:08.640 Half of it was just the last two days in 0:01:08.720 --> 0:01:13.160 the house. And I hate the off season by the 0:01:13.200 --> 0:01:16.399 way you made in the month of February and March. 0:01:16.760 --> 0:01:24.600 And yes, yes, because I mean the stuff already starts, right, 0:01:24.680 --> 0:01:27.399 all the mashed potatoes being thrown at the wall. Hope 0:01:27.480 --> 0:01:32.280 some sticks don't need any facts about anything, right, all 0:01:32.319 --> 0:01:35.080 the talk about guys that are already free agents and 0:01:35.120 --> 0:01:38.360 they're not free agents, and half of them will get 0:01:39.959 --> 0:01:42.360 and how many of that are on a roster, not 0:01:42.480 --> 0:01:45.480 I'm not talking necessarily this roster, but other rosters who 0:01:45.520 --> 0:01:48.800 are actually about to become free agent agents that they 0:01:48.840 --> 0:01:51.880 don't know they're going to become, right, that's right. And 0:01:52.000 --> 0:01:56.200 the only official thing that has started is the franchise 0:01:56.280 --> 0:02:02.360 tag season has opened on Wednesday something like that Tuesday, 0:02:02.400 --> 0:02:03.920 and I think it was, so yeah, it's been a 0:02:03.960 --> 0:02:07.360 couple of days, so yeah, but yeah, this is my 0:02:07.440 --> 0:02:10.520 least favorite time of the year because of that stuff, 0:02:10.560 --> 0:02:14.600 because of all that speculation. Yes, and you know, and 0:02:14.680 --> 0:02:17.480 it's well, there was a report. Well now it wasn't 0:02:17.480 --> 0:02:21.000 a report, it was somebody's opinion. You know what. I'll 0:02:21.040 --> 0:02:23.240 tell you why it's one of my favorite times of 0:02:23.240 --> 0:02:25.680 the year because this is the time of the year 0:02:25.880 --> 0:02:32.480 where when you can spread conspiracy. That too, but this 0:02:32.560 --> 0:02:34.680 is the time of the year when a football team 0:02:34.760 --> 0:02:37.560 is put together. The team is not put together in 0:02:37.600 --> 0:02:41.280 training camp. You're just practicing plays in training camp. The 0:02:41.320 --> 0:02:45.119 team is put together starting now, starting with the combine 0:02:45.240 --> 0:02:47.720 next week, and then you got free agency, and you 0:02:47.800 --> 0:02:50.560 got the draft and all of that stuff. And as 0:02:51.560 --> 0:02:54.160 has happened for the last thirty years in this league 0:02:55.440 --> 0:02:57.959 whatever ever since free agency began in this league and 0:02:58.000 --> 0:03:02.680 the early to mid nineties. Uh, you have a third 0:03:02.720 --> 0:03:05.519 of the team. A third of the team changes over 0:03:05.639 --> 0:03:07.520 from year to year, at least a third. I don't 0:03:07.520 --> 0:03:11.080 see a big green notebook started yet. I have started 0:03:11.120 --> 0:03:14.119 by big Green yea. But it really starts next week 0:03:14.120 --> 0:03:17.320 at the free agency and we are having a combine. 0:03:17.400 --> 0:03:21.600 By the way, they're not striking. Okay, okay, nice, nice 0:03:21.680 --> 0:03:24.960 that got cleared up and cleared up real fast. Uh huh. 0:03:25.000 --> 0:03:28.040 So we were talking about guy I forgot what the 0:03:28.040 --> 0:03:29.680 heck I was gonna say, you cut me? Okay, we'll 0:03:29.680 --> 0:03:31.400 go Yeah, who cares about that? Here's what I want 0:03:31.400 --> 0:03:40.600 to talk about, Okay, Kenny Burrows man, Yeah, I think 0:03:40.640 --> 0:03:43.160 it was. Yeah, but you know he was diabetic. I 0:03:43.240 --> 0:03:45.240 used to see him maybe a year at the in 0:03:45.320 --> 0:03:47.360 Atlanta at the Black College Hall of Fame. If I'm 0:03:47.360 --> 0:03:52.000 not mistakes Black of fas uh and man, I look 0:03:52.040 --> 0:03:55.040 at some of his Uh. His bio went to Rains 0:03:55.120 --> 0:03:57.200 High School. You guys ever heard of Rains High School 0:03:57.200 --> 0:04:00.600 in Florida, Jacksonville, Florida. Yeah, I think I have there's 0:04:00.640 --> 0:04:04.640 a lot of star players they can't, Levoy Butler being 0:04:04.680 --> 0:04:06.760 one of them that actually just made the Hall of Fame. 0:04:07.120 --> 0:04:09.760 If I'm not mistaken, did Bob Hayes go the reins? 0:04:10.480 --> 0:04:13.400 That doesn't sound right. It's they have They have a 0:04:13.520 --> 0:04:16.640 rivalry with another high school down in Jacksonville, and he 0:04:16.720 --> 0:04:19.000 may have gone through the other high school. But you've 0:04:19.000 --> 0:04:22.120 got some great players went to that school. Kenny Burrows 0:04:22.160 --> 0:04:26.520 was extremely unique wide receiver, especially for that time. Sixty three, 0:04:26.600 --> 0:04:29.520 two hundred and fifteen pounds and he could run like 0:04:29.600 --> 0:04:31.680 the win. He was one of those guys back in 0:04:31.720 --> 0:04:34.159 the day and I played with the guy like this. 0:04:34.279 --> 0:04:37.520 They used to part of their running style was a prince, 0:04:38.000 --> 0:04:40.240 you know, like the horses where they print. He was 0:04:40.400 --> 0:04:43.800 so big and he was like a big stallion, and 0:04:43.960 --> 0:04:47.680 boy when he ran, I'm sure he ran one hundred 0:04:47.760 --> 0:04:50.080 yards at the time. Sure he ran the sub ten 0:04:50.120 --> 0:04:54.279 seconds hundred yards. But man, this guy was an amazing athlete. 0:04:54.400 --> 0:04:57.160 And when you talk about somebody to talk trash, just 0:04:57.200 --> 0:05:00.880 like Ron Sprangers talked trash, boy, he has you're cracking 0:05:01.000 --> 0:05:03.560 up all day long. He comes in. You can hear 0:05:03.640 --> 0:05:06.640 him coming in before you see him. That's just what 0:05:06.760 --> 0:05:09.360 kind of guy he was. Center like Michael Irvin. Yeah, yeah, 0:05:09.360 --> 0:05:10.920 he was a lot of fun. He was a lot 0:05:10.960 --> 0:05:14.240 of fun. But yeah, I guess that's Florida. I think 0:05:14.279 --> 0:05:17.440 I think I saw he ended up third all time 0:05:17.640 --> 0:05:23.080 on the Oilers slash Titans receiving. I think the only 0:05:23.120 --> 0:05:26.240 guy who had more was Ernest Gibbons, and there was 0:05:26.320 --> 0:05:30.320 one other one other. I don't remember the receiver. I 0:05:30.360 --> 0:05:36.160 remember reading it this morning. Um yeah, oh absolutely, Yeah. 0:05:36.440 --> 0:05:38.839 Bob Hayes went to Gilbert High School in Jackson. That 0:05:38.839 --> 0:05:42.400 would be their rival, if I'm not mistaken. So yeah, 0:05:42.440 --> 0:05:45.679 I've got They've got a Wayne's has a well Gilbert 0:05:45.680 --> 0:05:48.880 Gilberts now in middle school. That was of course, um 0:05:49.040 --> 0:05:53.160 before back in the day. Yeah, that was before sights. 0:05:53.560 --> 0:05:58.039 There you go, there you go. Um but Kenny Kenny 0:05:58.080 --> 0:06:02.640 in fact, Okay, so Kenny Burrow would have I've lost 0:06:02.680 --> 0:06:05.760 my spot here, so he would he would have wrapped 0:06:05.839 --> 0:06:11.000 up his career when if I've got it here played 0:06:11.080 --> 0:06:14.760 against I wanted? Was my next question? Is? I was wondering? Okay, 0:06:14.800 --> 0:06:20.080 height one your first year was his last year, nineteen 0:06:20.120 --> 0:06:22.480 eighty one. By that time, he wasn't playing much. He 0:06:22.560 --> 0:06:26.600 was just kind of prancing on the sideline. I'm sure 0:06:27.279 --> 0:06:29.320 I would have liked to have talked to one Moon 0:06:29.680 --> 0:06:32.880 about him and see if he did have forty catches 0:06:32.960 --> 0:06:36.279 his last year and seven touchdowns? Lets you know, man, 0:06:36.480 --> 0:06:40.160 seven touchdowns his last year. Yeah, so he was and 0:06:40.160 --> 0:06:42.320 it's so funny. We talked about Ron Springs. He was 0:06:42.360 --> 0:06:46.360 also afflicted with diabetes and he was being pushed around 0:06:46.360 --> 0:06:49.279 a lot in the wheelchair those last years, but didn't 0:06:49.279 --> 0:06:53.960 stop his mouth from running. Still. He didn't want anyone 0:06:54.040 --> 0:06:56.840 ever to feel sorry for him. He was proud to 0:06:56.880 --> 0:07:00.760 show up every time every year, and it got so 0:07:00.839 --> 0:07:03.520 bad it was just like wine. They had to amputate 0:07:03.600 --> 0:07:07.640 his foot, but that never uh put a dash on 0:07:08.520 --> 0:07:11.600 any of his on his spirit at all. So he 0:07:11.640 --> 0:07:13.760 was just one of those guys you just had, had 0:07:13.800 --> 0:07:16.400 a joy to be around. And he wasn't belittling at all. 0:07:16.480 --> 0:07:20.520 It was just mainly bragging on himself. He talked bad 0:07:21.080 --> 0:07:23.560 about anyone else, just talked about how good he was. 0:07:24.040 --> 0:07:26.840 So that was always fun to hear him talk double zero. 0:07:27.840 --> 0:07:31.480 Last person to do that, that right, Yeah, your word. Yeah. 0:07:31.640 --> 0:07:35.480 So he came a little after Moto well, especially with 0:07:35.560 --> 0:07:43.200 the new number. Yeah, yeah, and in memory of Kenny. 0:07:44.640 --> 0:07:48.160 All right, UM, I know or look at look at 0:07:48.160 --> 0:07:51.440 the legal pad. He's got multiple legal pads in front 0:07:51.480 --> 0:07:54.920 of him here. And so Mickey, I'll let you start 0:07:54.960 --> 0:07:57.520 with the first thing that you want to got something 0:07:57.560 --> 0:08:00.440 I want to get into at some point, but I'll 0:08:00.520 --> 0:08:04.280 let you since it's called mick shots, let's start. Let's 0:08:04.320 --> 0:08:08.880 start here. We'll move into the free agency stuff. But uh, 0:08:09.000 --> 0:08:11.600 do you realize yes? I do. Yes, Where were you 0:08:11.640 --> 0:08:14.680 thirty three years ago today? Yes, that's exactly what I 0:08:14.680 --> 0:08:18.840 wanted to talk about. Um, Landry. Uh, it's fired and 0:08:18.920 --> 0:08:23.640 February Jones bought the team February twenty. That was to 0:08:23.760 --> 0:08:28.440 day twenty, February twenty five. I'm surprised that wasn't shouted 0:08:28.440 --> 0:08:31.760 out on every TV every and I want to show 0:08:31.800 --> 0:08:34.680 you every February twenty fifth. It's one of the first 0:08:34.679 --> 0:08:37.400 things I think of that. I did my homework and 0:08:37.559 --> 0:08:43.679 I found a copy of my story that I wrote. Uh, 0:08:43.720 --> 0:08:47.000 that night, Landry's old friends feel sadness at the end 0:08:47.040 --> 0:08:53.880 of the coach's reign. Um talk to um Jean Stallings. Yeah, 0:08:55.720 --> 0:09:00.520 Jean said, I don't that was back in nineteen Oh yeah, 0:09:06.080 --> 0:09:12.480 Well at that time he was he was Arizona Phoenix 0:09:12.600 --> 0:09:15.520 at that point, whatever it was. He said, I don't 0:09:15.520 --> 0:09:18.640 like to think of it in terms of coach Landry 0:09:18.760 --> 0:09:22.160 being fired. I'd rather think of it as a man 0:09:23.080 --> 0:09:25.880 bought the team and wanted to put his own man 0:09:26.120 --> 0:09:29.840 in charge. Landry is too good a man to be fired. 0:09:30.920 --> 0:09:35.760 Talked to Ernie Stottner. Um, he said he'd like to 0:09:35.800 --> 0:09:41.520 see Tom bring the team back. Uh and uh even 0:09:41.640 --> 0:09:43.920 Jerry Rome by the way, who, by the way, was 0:09:44.440 --> 0:09:48.840 the quarterback coach on that team. This is a tough 0:09:48.960 --> 0:09:52.280 situation for me. Now, this is the funny thing, because 0:09:52.320 --> 0:09:55.720 I think we talked about this a little while ago 0:09:56.400 --> 0:10:00.199 about when, or at least I recounted the story one 0:10:00.200 --> 0:10:05.240 of my either mix shots or columns when it came 0:10:05.360 --> 0:10:10.920 time for Jerry to decide who they were going to draft. 0:10:11.360 --> 0:10:15.760 But back then you could sign. You had the first pick, 0:10:15.840 --> 0:10:18.040 so you could sign the guy ahead of time and 0:10:18.200 --> 0:10:21.280 not get into a John Elway thing or whatever. Right, 0:10:21.640 --> 0:10:24.680 and so when they were trying to negotiate with Lee 0:10:24.720 --> 0:10:29.839 Steinberg for Troy Aikman's contract, they were going, well, you know, 0:10:30.400 --> 0:10:33.920 I don't think this Mandridge guy. I think we might 0:10:34.080 --> 0:10:37.199 take him instead of Troy a right, they were just 0:10:37.360 --> 0:10:43.199 playing right. But here's here's the quote from Jerry on 0:10:44.559 --> 0:10:48.280 so my this This ran February twenty six, so the 0:10:48.360 --> 0:10:51.320 next morning, and the quote from Jerry was, we believe 0:10:51.400 --> 0:10:55.880 Troy Aikman is the greatest is the greatest opportunity to 0:10:55.960 --> 0:10:58.800 come down the pike in a long time. There's no 0:10:58.880 --> 0:11:03.480 football player that Jimmy Johnson thinks higher of than Troy Aikman. 0:11:03.679 --> 0:11:06.760 Because there was some thought that because of Jimmy from Miami, 0:11:06.880 --> 0:11:12.240 he would want Steve Walsh to be his quarterback, and 0:11:12.440 --> 0:11:16.600 he did, but Jerry said he's the best college player 0:11:16.840 --> 0:11:20.640 in the country, unquestionably, And then they tried to play 0:11:20.640 --> 0:11:25.280 this ruse later on to negotiate like, oh, Lee, we 0:11:25.480 --> 0:11:27.360 may not draft him. So if you want to be 0:11:27.400 --> 0:11:30.640 the first pick in the drafts, my boy, you gotta 0:11:30.760 --> 0:11:34.800 you gotta go ahead and take this contract. So anyway, 0:11:35.040 --> 0:11:37.440 I found that, and then look at this picture I 0:11:37.480 --> 0:11:43.560 got when Jimmy Johnson came to town with Steven Jones. 0:11:45.360 --> 0:11:48.800 What what happens to folks at thirty three and the 0:11:48.840 --> 0:11:52.000 rest of us too? By the way, right, Steve was out, 0:11:52.040 --> 0:11:54.160 Oh so he would have been how old about then 0:11:54.440 --> 0:12:01.960 Steve Stephen how he wasn't very midwe he's probably yeah, well, 0:12:02.200 --> 0:12:04.200 I want to say he was. He was right out 0:12:04.200 --> 0:12:07.120 of college. He might have been twenty three, twenty four 0:12:08.200 --> 0:12:11.320 at the most, Yeah, because he had thought he was 0:12:11.400 --> 0:12:16.720 going into the oil business with Jerry, and uh he 0:12:16.880 --> 0:12:20.120 was twenty five or twenty four then four as close. Ye, 0:12:21.200 --> 0:12:25.520 so and it was funny question, he's fifty seven, yeah, 0:12:25.520 --> 0:12:29.480 whoa yeah. So the funny thing was I went back 0:12:29.520 --> 0:12:34.040 into I'd be like, whoa yeah. Right. I looked at 0:12:34.040 --> 0:12:37.080 the cliffs and here's one of the headlines in the 0:12:37.120 --> 0:12:40.120 paper was from Pete Roselle. It was a quote, this 0:12:40.200 --> 0:12:46.960 is like Lombardi's death, meaning Landry got fired. That's very 0:12:47.400 --> 0:12:51.160 I thought that was a little over. This was that's 0:12:51.200 --> 0:12:54.080 what the cowboys. There's a lot of cowboys fans who 0:12:54.160 --> 0:12:57.920 felt that way. Yeah, yeah, my sister. There was another 0:12:59.480 --> 0:13:06.880 There was an other headline, Tram Eclipse by Jones. Jones 0:13:07.040 --> 0:13:10.480 is in charge. And I saw this quote from Jerry 0:13:10.559 --> 0:13:13.160 said this is going to be my life. And he 0:13:13.240 --> 0:13:16.520 wasn't lying, right, he absolutely did it. And there was 0:13:16.600 --> 0:13:21.720 also uh, this came about too because we had found 0:13:21.720 --> 0:13:25.600 out at the last minute somebody else was trying to 0:13:25.640 --> 0:13:28.480 buy the team. Well it was Don Carter, the odor 0:13:28.600 --> 0:13:33.280 of the Matmocks, and uh, there was a price is 0:13:33.280 --> 0:13:36.000 pretty cheap back then, one hundred and forty million, right, 0:13:36.200 --> 0:13:39.920 he had that. So the headline was Don Carter. Carter 0:13:40.080 --> 0:13:46.079 made last minute bid to buy Boys and it didn't materialize. 0:13:46.200 --> 0:13:49.840 Jerry had a what do you call it, a consortium 0:13:49.960 --> 0:13:53.679 or a group together to help with the deal. Um, 0:13:54.400 --> 0:13:58.199 and the night before I saw every and the cat 0:13:58.280 --> 0:14:03.680 got out of the bag, you know, report Johnson replacing Landry. 0:14:03.760 --> 0:14:07.880 This was the morning of the twenty fifth Dallas Times 0:14:07.880 --> 0:14:13.360 Harold the Cowboys deal near with Landry. Cowboys deal near, 0:14:13.760 --> 0:14:17.679 Landry liking to go. And we even got a hold 0:14:17.920 --> 0:14:22.080 of the ad at the University of Miami, Sam Jenkovic, however, 0:14:22.960 --> 0:14:25.440 and he said he didn't know anything about a press 0:14:25.440 --> 0:14:28.240 conference coming up, but he confirmed that Johnson had talked 0:14:28.240 --> 0:14:32.080 to the Cowboys. So it was it was kind of 0:14:32.080 --> 0:14:35.480 cool to go back thirty three years and read all 0:14:35.480 --> 0:14:39.080 this stuff. And my lasting memory of that night, more 0:14:39.120 --> 0:14:43.000 so than the press conference, was afterwards, when we finished 0:14:43.000 --> 0:14:49.320 our stories, we retreated into Texas office, tex Ram's office 0:14:49.440 --> 0:14:53.080 at at the Ranch and there was a bunch of 0:14:53.840 --> 0:14:56.560 probably about five six of us the writers in there, 0:14:56.840 --> 0:14:59.200 and of course he had beer for us, and we 0:14:59.240 --> 0:15:03.960 sat around shooting the bowl and beer beer, not him though, 0:15:04.880 --> 0:15:09.400 not him, still him there we were sitting and we 0:15:09.520 --> 0:15:12.360 ran out of seats. I remember sitting on the floor, uh, 0:15:12.600 --> 0:15:16.600 next to Frank Luxo, who had covered the team since 0:15:16.800 --> 0:15:21.560 the sixties and uh and Frank got up. It was 0:15:21.640 --> 0:15:25.240 getting late. Frank got up and goes, well, I gotta 0:15:25.280 --> 0:15:28.920 go home to the lovery Henrietta was his wife. Uh 0:15:28.960 --> 0:15:32.960 and finish off. My birthday February twenty fifth was his birthday. 0:15:33.680 --> 0:15:36.920 It's it's it's running. Oh there it is the picture 0:15:37.080 --> 0:15:42.760 at it was MIA's right there. You go, Ivan Mazel 0:15:43.080 --> 0:15:46.640 Northwest Highway. I've just happened and happened to go into 0:15:46.880 --> 0:15:51.600 MIA's restaurant. Uh, and saw Jimmy in there. Of course, 0:15:51.680 --> 0:15:55.160 no one knew who what Jerry looked like then. Yeah, no, no, 0:15:55.400 --> 0:15:59.040 Ivan Mazel Mizelle got a photograph from the morning he 0:15:59.120 --> 0:16:01.760 worked for the Dallas More News then and that's where 0:16:02.120 --> 0:16:04.040 the cat really got out of the bag. Yeah, it 0:16:04.200 --> 0:16:07.480 was that picture right there, and so he Ivan Mazell, 0:16:07.560 --> 0:16:11.920 he was the um but probably college football writer then 0:16:12.040 --> 0:16:14.200 for the morning news, right, and so he knew Jimmy 0:16:14.320 --> 0:16:16.520 very well, and so he sees Jimmy there and then 0:16:16.560 --> 0:16:21.000 he sees he must have been some guy. No, he 0:16:21.080 --> 0:16:23.160 just happened to It was a Friday night, Friday night, 0:16:23.240 --> 0:16:26.480 Friday night, and he went out to dinner at MIA's restaurant, 0:16:26.480 --> 0:16:28.720 and there's Jimmy and Jerry right in there. And the 0:16:28.760 --> 0:16:31.920 funny thing was that's where Tom liked to go. He'd 0:16:31.920 --> 0:16:35.040 loved it, but it's a very popular restaurant anyway, you know, 0:16:35.120 --> 0:16:42.600 and Hi too much exactly, that's right. What did you 0:16:42.680 --> 0:16:45.520 think when you heard? Yeah, that's that's why I asked 0:16:45.520 --> 0:16:49.760 where were you thirty three years ago today? You know? Uh, 0:16:50.480 --> 0:16:54.000 I wasn't surprised. And if I'm not mistaken, they had 0:16:54.040 --> 0:16:59.760 given Tom a few opportunities to retire, and you will 0:16:59.800 --> 0:17:01.880 call us would no better than I would. The rumor 0:17:01.960 --> 0:17:05.240 went from the players was textualm was trying to tell Tom, look, 0:17:05.280 --> 0:17:08.080 you gotta go, yes, because they're coming, and Tom was 0:17:08.119 --> 0:17:11.320 just being stubborn. The press conference that he had was 0:17:11.400 --> 0:17:14.840 really the death nail for him, because that's when he said, oh, 0:17:14.880 --> 0:17:17.520 I might be coaching well into them? What he said, 0:17:17.640 --> 0:17:20.560 is I got a three year plan? And the blood 0:17:20.760 --> 0:17:25.600 came ye, like how because he just agreed to something 0:17:25.600 --> 0:17:27.600 they hadn't understanding. And then he comes out here with 0:17:27.640 --> 0:17:30.840 the time and I think he did it. Was it 0:17:30.960 --> 0:17:35.159 January of eighty eight or January of eighty nine, I 0:17:35.200 --> 0:17:38.119 can't remember what, but he came out and said he 0:17:38.200 --> 0:17:41.920 had a three year plan. And the text was, and 0:17:42.320 --> 0:17:44.840 here's the thing, not Tex had a three year plan. 0:17:44.880 --> 0:17:49.040 Two right, yeah, And here's what they didn't know. So 0:17:49.119 --> 0:17:52.080 that that year at the super Bowl, so it had 0:17:52.119 --> 0:17:56.359 been January of eighty nine, eighty eight season. It was 0:17:56.400 --> 0:18:00.920 in Miami, if I remember, that was the Montana beat 0:18:01.000 --> 0:18:09.040 Cincinnati last minute drive. Anyway, so in the Cowboys Super 0:18:09.080 --> 0:18:13.600 Bowl box suite, Tom I was at that game, by 0:18:13.600 --> 0:18:15.520 the way, I was. I knew he was gonna I 0:18:15.520 --> 0:18:18.160 didn't watch the game until the last drive. I knew 0:18:18.160 --> 0:18:20.400 he was gonna score. I ran down because I ran 0:18:20.480 --> 0:18:22.720 down on the field. I ran down to the press 0:18:22.800 --> 0:18:26.880 room because I knew I was on deadline. I did 0:18:26.960 --> 0:18:31.760 not see Jack talking about exactly what he's talking about. 0:18:32.000 --> 0:18:34.199 I know exactly what the most famous person that was 0:18:34.240 --> 0:18:39.119 at the game right right, because Joe mention him famous 0:18:39.440 --> 0:18:41.800 of the game. Just Joe saw him in the hun 0:18:42.040 --> 0:18:44.879 doing the drive and he was I was Joe Candy 0:18:44.960 --> 0:18:51.359 over there. First of all, my my, my auxiliary seat 0:18:51.520 --> 0:18:54.600 was in the stands, and there was a bunch of reporters, 0:18:55.520 --> 0:19:00.960 media guys just outwardly cheering for San Francisco, right like seriously, 0:19:01.359 --> 0:19:03.000 And I knew what was going to happen. But I 0:19:03.040 --> 0:19:05.600 was on deadline. So I ran down during the time 0:19:05.640 --> 0:19:07.440 out to get to the room so I could watch 0:19:07.480 --> 0:19:11.960 the last drive because I knew with my own eyes, 0:19:12.000 --> 0:19:13.520 I didn't want to see it on TV. I wanted 0:19:13.520 --> 0:19:16.720 to say anyway in the in the Cowboys box. So 0:19:16.880 --> 0:19:21.960 it was text, Tom gil Brandt and their guests that 0:19:22.480 --> 0:19:27.840 evening was Jimmy Johnson. So now that it was always 0:19:27.920 --> 0:19:32.440 text Text wanted him as his next him, Yes he did, 0:19:32.680 --> 0:19:38.160 but he didn't have the fields, yes that he could 0:19:38.200 --> 0:19:41.320 tell Tom. He was hoping Tom would step away, and 0:19:41.440 --> 0:19:44.240 Tom knew what he wanted him to say, right, but 0:19:44.760 --> 0:19:47.600 he was being rebellious at that time. And that's the 0:19:47.600 --> 0:19:50.280 only time. I really No, that's not true. Tom never 0:19:50.280 --> 0:19:53.840 did pay attention to the NFL rules like days off. 0:19:54.160 --> 0:19:55.880 You know, we're supposed to have sudden days off time 0:19:56.000 --> 0:19:58.080 we got out the Thousand Oaks. He said he's not 0:19:58.119 --> 0:20:00.920 gonna let a bunch of married men access to Los 0:20:00.920 --> 0:20:04.879 Angeles and Malibu, you know, on nights off. So he 0:20:04.920 --> 0:20:07.520 would limit the time that we were supposed to have. 0:20:07.560 --> 0:20:11.159 So his protocol was totally not NFL protocol, and he 0:20:11.600 --> 0:20:16.000 wasn't unashamed about it. He was Bill Parcels before. So 0:20:16.119 --> 0:20:18.560 that was one of the most rebellious guess what guess 0:20:18.640 --> 0:20:23.959 which comes? So this was so this came down on Saturday, 0:20:24.119 --> 0:20:26.280 and I saw the story was the players who were 0:20:26.280 --> 0:20:30.320 supposed to report Monday for the start of the offseason training, 0:20:30.920 --> 0:20:36.080 weight training, whatever. So yeah, in February, let me say this, 0:20:36.359 --> 0:20:39.399 and I've always thought this, I thought the eighty seventh 0:20:39.480 --> 0:20:44.040 strike was really the beginning of the end for all 0:20:44.080 --> 0:20:47.760 of us. Uh. You looked at how the red Skins 0:20:47.800 --> 0:20:50.400 handled the strike, and that's that's been made from a documentary. 0:20:50.440 --> 0:20:53.959 They actually interviewed me in the documentary when when when 0:20:54.119 --> 0:20:57.159 Tom lost the team in eighty seven, he lost the 0:20:57.200 --> 0:20:59.439 team and they seven because of the strike. Instead of 0:20:59.480 --> 0:21:02.800 handling it in the way of either we stick together 0:21:02.880 --> 0:21:05.480 or we all stay apart, he didn't handle it that way. 0:21:05.520 --> 0:21:09.720 He handed like the uh, you know, traditional football coach, 0:21:09.840 --> 0:21:11.840 my way of the highway type of thing. And that 0:21:12.000 --> 0:21:15.600 wasn't going, that wasn't helping us as a team. That's 0:21:15.640 --> 0:21:18.040 why Washington stayed together. That's why they ended up winning 0:21:18.080 --> 0:21:22.240 the Super Bowl that year. After eighty seven, there was 0:21:22.280 --> 0:21:25.639 no control on the team. We were divided union versus 0:21:25.720 --> 0:21:29.439 non union. It was almost like the vaccinations. And Tom 0:21:29.480 --> 0:21:32.840 really didn't address that. He tried to ignore that because 0:21:33.119 --> 0:21:35.960 I've always thought and I guess it's no secret he 0:21:36.040 --> 0:21:38.960 was still he was really as much a coach as 0:21:38.960 --> 0:21:42.160 he was management, you understand. I've always thought that, right, 0:21:42.280 --> 0:21:45.600 and so I think that's when he lost the team. 0:21:45.640 --> 0:21:47.920 I think that's when Tex lost the team as well. 0:21:48.520 --> 0:21:51.960 And when you look at it, you remember Tex walking 0:21:51.960 --> 0:21:54.600 out there arguing with you man, come on, man, I 0:21:54.680 --> 0:21:56.760 was a Union rep. I I was the one to 0:21:56.800 --> 0:22:02.160 turn my back on him. So we had an eighty nine. Uh. Well, 0:22:02.160 --> 0:22:07.480 about the time nineteen ninety came, I'm gone, text Tom Gilm, 0:22:07.760 --> 0:22:12.360 We're all going. So I just thought that you got 0:22:12.480 --> 0:22:14.680 you had to pick a side, you know, And Danny 0:22:14.720 --> 0:22:18.440 White was gone, Randy Whiteman was gone, too tall too 0:22:18.520 --> 0:22:23.720 tall played one more year. He played that eighty nine season. 0:22:24.359 --> 0:22:27.680 That was it. Um, Yeah, a lot of the guys. 0:22:28.800 --> 0:22:31.960 I thought that. It's almost like when you look at 0:22:32.280 --> 0:22:35.280 I always look at the America's most wanting, Americans most wanted, 0:22:35.320 --> 0:22:39.240 but the American greed. All the swindlers were doing well 0:22:39.480 --> 0:22:42.359 until two thousand and nine, right because that's when we 0:22:42.400 --> 0:22:45.360 had the recession. All swindlers, you know, that's what made 0:22:45.359 --> 0:22:48.120 off and all of those guys, that's when they lost everything. Well, 0:22:48.160 --> 0:22:50.639 the strike itself, that was our divider, you know, to 0:22:50.760 --> 0:22:53.399 that that was that was the one that that tore 0:22:53.480 --> 0:22:55.760 all of us apart. And of course I had a 0:22:55.760 --> 0:22:57.600 part in it, and as well as management had a 0:22:57.640 --> 0:23:00.960 part in it. So that was one of those finding moments, 0:23:01.359 --> 0:23:04.240 not just in the NFL, but especially for the Dallas Cowboys. 0:23:04.440 --> 0:23:07.600 That really led to the to this date right here, 0:23:07.640 --> 0:23:10.920 how many years ago? Was it? Three years ago? Day? 0:23:11.040 --> 0:23:13.600 I think it was. That's a direct connection for me 0:23:13.960 --> 0:23:17.480 between eighty seven strike and time. So do you realize 0:23:18.160 --> 0:23:22.720 you went through the only two sales of the Dallas 0:23:22.800 --> 0:23:25.600 Cowboys during your career? Did it? Didn't that? Because bum 0:23:25.680 --> 0:23:33.480 Bright I believe eighty three and then this one eighty nine, 0:23:33.800 --> 0:23:37.239 so did the players. That was it didn't affect us 0:23:37.560 --> 0:23:41.879 because he was he wasn't a hands on right, but 0:23:42.000 --> 0:23:44.399 what you did, what he didn't like because he didn't 0:23:44.400 --> 0:23:46.639 get along with time well. And what you saw was 0:23:48.080 --> 0:23:50.960 everything kind of diminished after that, you know, our success, 0:23:51.520 --> 0:23:54.240 you know, it wasn't nearly as as as counted on 0:23:54.640 --> 0:23:57.560 you know, from then on, Yeah, we just didn't do 0:23:57.640 --> 0:23:59.800 that well after that team was sold. Eighty five was 0:23:59.840 --> 0:24:03.560 I best season, right with ten and six with him, 0:24:03.600 --> 0:24:06.480 which ended the stretch of the twenty years stretch of 0:24:06.840 --> 0:24:11.359 you know, the end of that. Eighty four was the 0:24:11.480 --> 0:24:14.720 end of the playoff stretch. Eighty five was the last 0:24:14.760 --> 0:24:19.360 of the twenty straight big season. Yes because we as 0:24:19.400 --> 0:24:22.280 we remember six and two and lost to the Giants 0:24:22.280 --> 0:24:25.760 in Game nine and only won one more game in 0:24:25.880 --> 0:24:29.439 eighty six, and that ended the winning street. Vaguely remember 0:24:29.480 --> 0:24:33.280 that had the number had the number one offense in 0:24:33.320 --> 0:24:36.359 the league, tied with the Giants six and two. Six 0:24:36.400 --> 0:24:40.320 and two had already beaten him once and it was 0:24:40.359 --> 0:24:43.639 the game in New York. Remember all the penalties that 0:24:43.920 --> 0:24:52.920 drives mean pass, I mean everything worked and runoff tackle, 0:24:53.000 --> 0:24:55.200 doing set is just doing this thing like, Oh, we're 0:24:55.240 --> 0:24:58.800 gonna win this game. And who won the Super Bowl 0:24:58.840 --> 0:25:02.400 that year Giants never lost another game, And who got 0:25:02.400 --> 0:25:05.119 the gatorade shower at the end of the bill parcel, 0:25:05.320 --> 0:25:07.440 And who went to disney World for the first time 0:25:09.040 --> 0:25:14.119 the first of the disney World commercials that Phil Simms 0:25:14.240 --> 0:25:16.120 still had a great Yeah, you know, the only reason 0:25:16.160 --> 0:25:19.040