Speaker 1: The Around the NFL podcast.
Speaker 2: It's part of the Dave Damashack Coaching Tree from.
Speaker 3: The Chris Westling podcast studio. It's Around the NFL. I
Speaker 3: am Dan Hansas. I got heroes here, Greg Rosenthal, Mark Sessler.
Speaker 1: We're here now.
Speaker 3: At what is, you know, pretty close to the midpoint
Speaker 3: of the NFL season. And it's been a weird NFL season. Boys,
Speaker 3: it's been an unpredictable NFL season. It has been the
Speaker 3: Sunday and injury plagued NFL Sunday. And we're gonna get
Speaker 3: to all the big news that came out of the
Speaker 3: day and go through all the games and there are
Speaker 3: thirteen of them. Great, so bring your a game, buddy.
Speaker 4: Full slate. I'm feeling it. It did feel like a
Speaker 4: like a momentous day. I don't know, we'll see I mean,
Speaker 4: we know some teams their future at quarterback change. Today
Speaker 4: we saw some teams kind of reinsert themselves into the
Speaker 4: bigger picture. It felt like, Okay, maybe this season's starting
Speaker 4: to take a little shape today.
Speaker 5: Well, I think a lot of it is like, yeah,
Speaker 5: it's a big week when you know that there's a
Speaker 5: lot to come on Monday.
Speaker 1: In terms of like news updates and where we are.
Speaker 5: And there was a period where, you know, because Greg
Speaker 5: and I watched these games early and then you are,
Speaker 5: you live close by, and you come around halftime of
Speaker 5: the second game usually yes and uh, well okay phrasing.
Speaker 5: But Greg and I like there was like five or
Speaker 5: six major quarterbacks. It was like, I'll have it in
Speaker 5: Fraucus is within about a twelve minute period and we're
Speaker 5: just like walking back and forth to each other, talking
Speaker 5: to each other about it.
Speaker 1: I can't follow it up tomorrow.
Speaker 6: He painted a picture.
Speaker 1: You really did?
Speaker 3: I did, and the audience is, you know, let's get
Speaker 3: all the better for it.
Speaker 1: I don't know, been here since like nine in the morning.
Speaker 3: I say, at what point were you realizing that story
Speaker 3: really had nowhere to go?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 5: I tried to guard myself against that during a show
Speaker 5: last week. I warned you in the middle of a
Speaker 5: segment that whatever I was doing is not working.
Speaker 1: And it's happened again.
Speaker 3: And this is also a Sunday that in my corner
Speaker 3: of the universe, I witnessed one of the most insane,
Speaker 3: unlikely comebacks in the history of the NFL, and data
Speaker 3: backs that up.
Speaker 1: So we'll get to that as well. But let's start
Speaker 1: with the big news. I can't.
Speaker 3: I can't lock a game anymore because anywhere I go,
Speaker 3: the NFL says, no, what you think is not what
Speaker 3: it is. The Niners at home unstoppable. The Niners are
Speaker 3: very stoppable right now, especially when the healthy Joe Burrow
Speaker 3: is involved.
Speaker 7: Second in goal from the five chase out to the right,
Speaker 7: everybody else bunched in tight.
Speaker 8: Burrow in the shotgun, waiting for the staff from Teddy Carris.
Speaker 1: Burrow catches it to ten, gives it to mix it again.
Speaker 1: He's on his way to.
Speaker 9: The promised land touchdown.
Speaker 3: Bengals mixing, dancing in the end zone and Cincinnati takes
Speaker 3: a two touchdown lead.
Speaker 6: Oh, the Bongos come out early. Wow, Okay, Dan.
Speaker 3: Horde, Dave Blapham, w c Ky with the call. You
Speaker 3: see Joe Mixon in that end zone and doing that
Speaker 3: dance and a very quiet.
Speaker 1: Big bell bottom.
Speaker 3: There's a swagger and an energy around the Cincinnati Bengals.
Speaker 3: Now that wasn't there just a scant few weeks ago.
Speaker 3: Joe Burrow threw three touchdown passes. Cincinnati intercepted Brock Purty
Speaker 3: on back to back passes in the second half, mix
Speaker 3: and ice the game with an incredo after an incredible
Speaker 3: kind of answer drive by the Bengals in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 3: And yes, the Bengals beat the Niners thirty one seventeen.
Speaker 3: They've won four to five. Now and Greg will start
Speaker 3: here Joe Burrow. When this man is healthy, and he
Speaker 3: is absolutely healthy right now. He is one of the
Speaker 3: most thrilling players to watch in the league. And you know,
Speaker 3: there was some conversation on this podcast Greg about what's
Speaker 3: wrong with the Bengals and what's wrong with this coach
Speaker 3: and why isn't the system working?
Speaker 1: But it's Burrow.
Speaker 3: He's the heart of everything and when he's right, everything
Speaker 3: clicks into place. Twenty eight to thirty two to two
Speaker 3: eighty three, three touchdowns, and he has this team believing
Speaker 3: that they are better than everyone.
Speaker 1: And that's the way they look today.
Speaker 4: When when I said at the top of the show,
Speaker 4: you know, certain teams, you know, reintroducing themselves, putting themselves
Speaker 4: back in the pick. I'm thinking this game because I
Speaker 4: never expected to be in at point in the season
Speaker 4: where the forty nine ers have a three game losing streak,
Speaker 4: and I may you know I was wrong, but I
Speaker 4: started doubting whether the Bengals were gonna be the Bengals
Speaker 4: because I thought they had these other issues that were
Speaker 4: plaguing them in terms of their run defense, in terms
Speaker 4: of their offensive line. But maybe you're right, Dan, like
Speaker 4: these numbers and the techs I'm getting from Nick Westling
Speaker 4: and Spice Rack Wes's old friend Brad Spicer, who just
Speaker 4: starts saying like it's all happening again, like are you
Speaker 4: seeing like Like even after the game, Zach Taylor said,
Speaker 4: it was our first complete game, like this was the
Speaker 4: Bengals team that we've been waiting to see all season.
Speaker 3: They didn't commit a penalty in this game until very
Speaker 3: late in the affair, and everything came so easy. And
Speaker 3: the reason why I picked that mix and touchdown, even
Speaker 3: though it really was a day that was about Burrow
Speaker 3: and how great he looked Mark was that at twenty
Speaker 3: four to ten, after the back to back interceptions by Purdy,
Speaker 3: San Francisco takes over and finally perks up, comes to
Speaker 3: life and goes right down the field. I want to
Speaker 3: make sure I have the numbers right here. They go
Speaker 3: right down the field, ten plays, seventy five yards in
Speaker 3: four point fifty two and make it a seven point game.
Speaker 3: And that's at the point where that building is loud
Speaker 3: again and Cincinnati, with Burrow at the control, says no,
Speaker 3: this is not going to go the way you think
Speaker 3: it's going to go. They take the ball back and
Speaker 3: they go ten plays seventy eight yards to end the game.
Speaker 3: And that is a close out drive from a championship
Speaker 3: type team.
Speaker 5: It's I think what has happened to San Francisco over
Speaker 5: the last three weeks is equally as to me, stirring
Speaker 5: and surprising is what's happened with this Bengals team. And
Speaker 5: the Bengals are like Week one and two, we don't care.
Speaker 5: We just don't care. We didn't care last year, we
Speaker 5: don't care this year. Who would have thought the Niners
Speaker 5: three weeks in a row would put up only seventeen
Speaker 5: points three weeks in a row. And that Brock party,
Speaker 5: who was, if nothing else not creating mistakes, not taking
Speaker 5: the team and putting them in reverse. Two interceptions today,
Speaker 5: and it's one of the first times where I've Heardkyle
Speaker 5: Shanahan come out after and say one of them was
Speaker 5: just flat out a bad decision. It was a bad
Speaker 5: decision and it's like we are seeing a version of
Speaker 5: rock Party. That makes me wonder if someone like Kyle Shanahan,
Speaker 5: who's a little bit up and down and like he
Speaker 5: has eyes for other quarterbacks left right, would he ever
Speaker 5: be kind of compelled to put someone like Sam Darnold
Speaker 5: in there.
Speaker 1: We're not there yet.
Speaker 3: Let's talk about the Party situation. Because Party, when we
Speaker 3: did the show on Thursday, he wasn't playing. I get Look,
Speaker 3: he was in concussion protocol and everything would have to
Speaker 3: he'd had to check every box and it was pushing
Speaker 3: right up against it to check the fifth box.
Speaker 1: So he does get cleared, so it looks like.
Speaker 6: It's pretty rare.
Speaker 3: It looked like Donald was going to start, and then
Speaker 3: at the last second, Party started. And again, when you
Speaker 3: guys see this game, you're gonna see Party wasn't bad.
Speaker 3: In fact, there were moments in this game where you know,
Speaker 3: he threw for three hundred and sixty five yards and
Speaker 3: had made some plays with the speed he ran for
Speaker 3: fifty seven yards.
Speaker 1: But yes, you can't say anything.
Speaker 3: Two on back to back passing attempts in crunch time,
Speaker 3: he throws interceptions that sink the team. And yeah, you
Speaker 3: thought maybe the first time you're looking at him after
Speaker 3: that second pick, Greg and you're saying, is this confidence
Speaker 3: starting a waiver a little bit. I don't think there's
Speaker 3: a controversy there yet, but we're now we're starting to
Speaker 3: make something toward that. They hit the buye with questions
Speaker 3: about consistency at that position that are they are fair
Speaker 3: to ask.
Speaker 6: I believe so.
Speaker 4: And you know, I don't expect to see Sam Darnold
Speaker 4: coming out of the by or anything. But it's a
Speaker 4: little concerning that these turnovers are coming in bunches, like
Speaker 4: when it starts going bad, it stays going bad. But
Speaker 4: that's partly, you know, because they're playing this this Bengals defense,
Speaker 4: and to flip it around, like the forty nine Ers
Speaker 4: linebackers are known as the best linebacker due in the league.
Speaker 4: But the Bengals line back you know, Jermaine Pratt where
Speaker 4: they were able to keep on a pretty cheap contract
Speaker 4: this offseason, and Logan Wilsons who signed long term. They
Speaker 4: made big plays in this game. They were the better
Speaker 4: defense ultimately, and I'm more surprised that the forty nine
Speaker 4: Ers gave up twenty nine first downs than I am
Speaker 4: that the Bengals held you know San Francisco to seventeen points.
Speaker 6: I am quite.
Speaker 4: Surprised that the forty nine Ers defense, which just coming
Speaker 4: into this year and through the first five game looked
Speaker 4: so good, has allowed them to lose three straight because
Speaker 4: you know, they haven't played well in any of these games.
Speaker 1: No, and Burrow set the tone on the first drive
Speaker 1: of the game.
Speaker 3: It was third and long on their side of the field,
Speaker 3: and he was done like there was a Niner in
Speaker 3: the backfield.
Speaker 1: This was a sack.
Speaker 3: He gets, wiggles out of the sack and then scrambles
Speaker 3: to his right and as he's going out of bounds,
Speaker 3: he zips one that looks like a throwaway at first,
Speaker 3: but no, it wasn't. It was for a long completion
Speaker 3: and that sustained that drive and led to the touchdown.
Speaker 3: Then there was another play where he once again ducked
Speaker 3: out of trouble and then turned on the jets and
Speaker 3: scrambled for it was twenty yards twenty yards, and it
Speaker 3: was like, okay, he's he is fully right when he's
Speaker 3: doing stuff.
Speaker 5: We talked about that and this was a game where
Speaker 5: you know, you got the best version of Nick Bosa,
Speaker 5: who had nine QB pressures in the first half, which
Speaker 5: is the most by any pass rusher in the first
Speaker 5: half of a game this season, twelve on the day.
Speaker 1: So that was working. And I watched that play too.
Speaker 5: I got all these screens up and I saw Burrow
Speaker 5: breakaway from them.
Speaker 1: Someone say, too many screens? Too many?
Speaker 10: It is.
Speaker 1: Not does anyone watch anything in the late window. You're
Speaker 1: just dealing with four.
Speaker 5: But like when he had that twenty yard dash, you're
Speaker 5: looking at a player that's completely healthy. He's fixed, he's fine.
Speaker 5: And suddenly this Bengals team, to me, has no ceiling.
Speaker 4: Wait, I mean, and it's just the season is so long,
Speaker 4: and that's why I'm not panicking about the forty nine ers.
Speaker 4: But they're now spotted the Eagles a couple of games
Speaker 4: if they're trying to get like a one seed for instance,
Speaker 4: and they're bringing the Seahawks back into the division race.
Speaker 4: But it's just crazy that the Bengals in the forty
Speaker 4: nine ers actually have the same record. It one four
Speaker 4: and three, one five and three, Like start over these
Speaker 4: two teams, which looks so different three weeks.
Speaker 3: Ago, and like I said, the forty nine ers are
Speaker 3: in there by then they visit Jacksonville, a team that's
Speaker 3: surging as well, so it doesn't get any easier.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 1: Two quick notes Trent Williams.
Speaker 3: Oh, yes, I did lock up the Niners, thinking it
Speaker 3: was Sam Darnold, and I was very excited about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Then Party came in and I was like, well, I'm
Speaker 3: not going to bail out of the lock. But it
Speaker 3: took kind of like the Feistiness album for me.
Speaker 4: They didn't fight hard enough for the lock. I think
Speaker 4: because of it. I locks mostly come down to luck.
Speaker 4: I've said that in the years that I win and
Speaker 4: don't win, it's mostly luck. I was locking when you
Speaker 4: win its skill, no skill, mostly luck when when you win.
Speaker 4: I was locking up this game, but it's switching to
Speaker 4: Donald freaked me out. So I jumped off of it
Speaker 4: and then it wasn't Darnold, and by then it was.
Speaker 3: Too You're having a blessed year in the locks, and
Speaker 3: that's why the competition's effectively over now.
Speaker 1: No, like we said last week, and I you're picking
Speaker 1: up another game on me. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Left tackle Trent Williams missed a second straight game with
Speaker 3: the sprained angle and shout out to Christian McCaffer. Even
Speaker 3: in loss, he had two touchdowns and he has at
Speaker 3: least one touchdown in seventeen straight games, including the playoffs,
Speaker 3: that tied the NFL record set by nineteen sixty three
Speaker 3: sixty four games.
Speaker 1: Matt Snell, I don't know, wrong, Lenymore.
Speaker 3: All right, all right, let's move on. So the Niners
Speaker 3: humbled by the Bengals. How about another Well, I want
Speaker 3: to call what happened in San Francisco stunning but interesting
Speaker 3: and quite surprising.
Speaker 1: Let's head to Denver. This one was stunning.
Speaker 11: Takes the snap, Mahomes in the pocket in trouble, tries
Speaker 11: to climb the stiffs arms Bnito, throws the.
Speaker 1: Ball on the run.
Speaker 6: That ball is in a second.
Speaker 11: Justin Simmons, Simmons in Kansas City Territory, get out of
Speaker 11: balls justin his sixth interception of Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 3: Unbelievable defensive performance by the Denver Broncos. Justin Simmons had
Speaker 3: two of Denver's five takeaways and Patrick Mahomes had nowhere
Speaker 3: to run.
Speaker 1: I mean it was I listen. I mean, you're not
Speaker 1: going to find a Sean Payton supporter in me.
Speaker 3: But as bad as his year is gone, his first
Speaker 3: year in Denver, I can't imagine a much sweeter tasting
Speaker 3: win than absolutely housing Patrick Mahomes and Andy Reid, which
Speaker 3: is what the Broncos did in a twenty four to
Speaker 3: nine win at Mile High. And it was really surprising
Speaker 3: to watch the Broncos hand Mahomes' first AFC West Road
Speaker 3: loss and they beat Kansas City's quarterback for the first
Speaker 3: time in thirteen tries. This has been as one sided
Speaker 3: as it gets, and there was nothing fluky about the
Speaker 3: performance of the Denver Broncos defense from the very beginning.
Speaker 1: Gave Mahomes fits.
Speaker 3: They never got comfortable and Kansas City was just not
Speaker 3: sharp enough, with too many turnovers, a sloppy play and
Speaker 3: every time Mark, I feel like we're getting to a
Speaker 3: point with the Chiefs and their offense where you're like, Okay,
Speaker 3: here they go. They're off and running a game like
Speaker 3: this happens and it's like, what is up with this team?
Speaker 1: And oh, by the way, the trade trade deadline is
Speaker 1: in two days.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I love that they mentioned Nick Benito in that in
Speaker 5: the play call there. I thought he played a great game.
Speaker 5: He caused all sorts of problems. Pressure Mahomes eight times. Mahomes.
Speaker 5: You know reports coming into the game that he's dealing
Speaker 5: with the flu, and I feel like we never really
Speaker 5: know what that's doing to a player. It feels sometimes
Speaker 5: like it's a great way for us to market you
Speaker 5: if you win. We've seen that before in another sport.
Speaker 5: But he really was off his game, like a different
Speaker 5: sport that did happen to a completely a player that
Speaker 5: we mentioned too much.
Speaker 6: I mean conspiracy theory here. I think a golf sideling,
Speaker 6: So he was dealing with that.
Speaker 1: It was you know, they cleared the snow off the field.
Speaker 5: But he also at one point in the game had
Speaker 5: his hand was all banged up with gashes and cuts.
Speaker 1: So it was a tough day for Mahomes.
Speaker 5: He had a negative twenty point six EPA over forty
Speaker 5: four dropbacks, which is the lowest of his entire career,
Speaker 5: and that's what triggers the Broncos to beat the Chiefs
Speaker 5: for the first time since Peyton Manning was quarterback.
Speaker 1: And I look at this Chiefs.
Speaker 5: Team, I think the one way is any team that
Speaker 5: loses a turnover battle five to one, you've got some
Speaker 5: weird Mahomes plays, some interceptions, three foot loss fumbles, that's
Speaker 5: your way in. But Denver actually their defense has improved
Speaker 5: over the past couple weeks after looking like an absolute
Speaker 5: open barn door for the earlier part of the season.
Speaker 1: It wasn't so much about the offense.
Speaker 5: It's like their defense showed up today and this is
Speaker 5: a different looking team if you can do that.
Speaker 4: This season is so long just for talking about it.
Speaker 4: With the forty nine, there's such peaks and valleys. But
Speaker 4: they've played three games and they've allowed forty five points,
Speaker 4: and I would say this result was would be even
Speaker 4: more stunning if we didn't see the Broncos hold the
Speaker 4: Chiefs to one touchdown two weeks ago.
Speaker 6: I hate the two games in three weeks.
Speaker 4: It's not the reason they both teams have to do it,
Speaker 4: but I do think there's something strange about it. And
Speaker 4: it's also a division matchup where there is familiarity. I
Speaker 4: know it's a new coaching staff and everything, but the
Speaker 4: Broncos plan for the Chiefs worked really well last time
Speaker 4: around in terms of like stopping them from dives. This
Speaker 4: time it sounds like it worked even better. But yeah,
Speaker 4: forty five points by the Broncos defense last three weeks,
Speaker 4: it's funny, like when things happen if they started the
Speaker 4: season that way, everyone would be talking about, like vance Joseph,
Speaker 4: one of the best jobs in the league right now,
Speaker 4: this is the best defense in the league.
Speaker 6: And it was the complete opposite. They were historically bad early.
Speaker 4: Peyton was asked after the game about their trade deadline strategy, said,
Speaker 4: we have no strategy. We're not the team that's gonna
Speaker 4: be calling. But there's nothing happening. If something was happening,
Speaker 4: I would be the one to know it. So nothing
Speaker 4: is happening. Well, we know you're talking to people and
Speaker 4: saying like certain guys are available, potentially they leave everything.
Speaker 4: He's so they are three and five now and the
Speaker 4: AFC is so wide open. I think that's a trend
Speaker 4: we'll see the rest of these games. Is these teams
Speaker 4: that were maybe on the out it's winning games and
Speaker 4: maybe less likely to make trades.
Speaker 1: The keep playing this game.
Speaker 3: It was third and eight at the case twenty seven
Speaker 3: and the Broncos at this point are ahead fourteen to nine.
Speaker 3: The Chiefs get a sack and it's a bad sack
Speaker 3: that Russell Wilson takes that knocks them at a field
Speaker 3: goal range. So they ended up punting, and that's when
Speaker 3: Mikole Hardman recently reunited with the team, muffs the punt
Speaker 3: recovered by the Broncos. So after they get off the field,
Speaker 3: the Chiefs and it's about to be Mahomes taken over.
Speaker 3: Down five points, they muffet sets them at first and
Speaker 3: goal at the ten. Two plays later, Russell Wilson hits
Speaker 3: Courtland Sutton for six yards twenty one to nine, and
Speaker 3: that essentially kind of was the game at that point. So,
Speaker 3: I mean, in a game that was marked by too
Speaker 3: many mistakes, the Hardman fumble was the one that I
Speaker 3: feel like broke the back of Kansas City here.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's like they came to a point
Speaker 5: where there are too many gaffs. I mean, if you
Speaker 5: told me that Russell Wilson was going to throw for
Speaker 5: one hundred and fourteen yards in this before Rmance, I
Speaker 5: would think it'd be another typical run of the mill
Speaker 5: Chiefs Broncos outfit scenario. But instead Denver is blasting Taylor
Speaker 5: Swift as the Chiefs walk off defeated, with Kelsey having
Speaker 5: sorry it is a little bit of a to me,
Speaker 5: a split when she's not in the stadium. Fifty eight
Speaker 5: yards kind of held at bay. I know we're not
Speaker 5: supposed to talk about it.
Speaker 3: But bad news by the way, because she is now going,
Speaker 3: I believe, on the international leg of her record setting
Speaker 3: eras tour, which means Germany.
Speaker 1: Apparently she is not going to be around anymore.
Speaker 3: And yes, Russell Wilson threw for just the buck fourteen
Speaker 3: but with three touchdowns, so that will give you.
Speaker 4: A former people that have worked for the Saints, like
Speaker 4: Sean Payton makes he's a great pay caller near the
Speaker 4: end zone, so he always is trying to get his
Speaker 4: quarterbacks touchdowns near the end zone because he loves the
Speaker 4: QB rating and the quarterbacks that have these gaudy stats such.
Speaker 1: A Greg take No, no, I'm just trying to score.
Speaker 6: And it's absolutely true.
Speaker 4: He's always trying to set up the quarterbacks that have
Speaker 4: the He's got a touch on ours, but he's great
Speaker 4: at doing it, so why wouldn't he. But this is
Speaker 4: a great running team. I meant to say it on Thursday.
Speaker 4: Javonte Williams really looks good and Juliana McLoughlin's a great
Speaker 4: number two. So they've they had over five yards per
Speaker 4: carry on the season, Danny before this game.
Speaker 6: That's pretty impressive. So they're a good running.
Speaker 3: They kind of ruined their season potentially with how poorly
Speaker 3: they got out of the gates, and seventy to twenty
Speaker 3: is going to stick with you, I mean.
Speaker 1: Or this ruined there a long time number. But they're
Speaker 1: three and five.
Speaker 3: But they're not going to have the number one there
Speaker 3: because this team has They hit the bottom early and
Speaker 3: now we're seeing them most weeks. Now they're pretty pretty confering.
Speaker 3: They're not they're not a good team. But I'm looking
Speaker 3: at yeah, I mean, they lost a close one to
Speaker 3: the Chiefs and they beat the Packers.
Speaker 1: They beat the Chiefs. Now they go to Buffalo. Who
Speaker 1: knows what we get with Buffalo.
Speaker 6: Shout out to Russell Wilson too.
Speaker 4: We're hearing that the the audio is not great on this,
Speaker 4: but I see you, Russ trying to change, oh, trying
Speaker 4: to change your your new slogan to go Broncos.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we do look at all.
Speaker 6: The compass in the world and what we can do.
Speaker 1: We know what we're belove and you know.
Speaker 6: It's about the work. It's about the work. It's nothing else.
Speaker 6: It's about the team. Let us being together, continue to work,
Speaker 6: put our best foot forward, and uh, we're excited We're excited,
Speaker 6: abut where we can go enjoy this one?
Speaker 1: Guys, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 4: Did it with the press conference too, afterwards, the assembled
Speaker 4: Denver media.
Speaker 6: It's now the thing. It had not been the thing
Speaker 6: I liked.
Speaker 1: Broncos Country, Let's Ride.
Speaker 3: I feel like you should have stuck with that, but
Speaker 3: you're right, it did not test well, did not go
Speaker 3: through the roof.
Speaker 1: No for showman purposes.
Speaker 5: He also rented out a waffle house for his very
Speaker 5: famous wife for her birthday.
Speaker 1: Let's go, Let's ride, Baby. Good for them, that's a
Speaker 1: beautiful couple. All right.
Speaker 3: Let's now move on to the most stunning injury news
Speaker 3: of the week to lambeau Field.
Speaker 12: Kirston ten from the Green Bay twenty cousins.
Speaker 6: It's gonna loop one right cut touch.
Speaker 12: Chorgain Henderson with his seventh the National Football League touchdown,
Speaker 12: and that gives Minnesota a twenty three to three lead.
Speaker 12: And for Jordan, that touchdown means he has the most
Speaker 12: in the history of the Minnesota Vikings through the first
Speaker 12: eight games.
Speaker 3: That's Paul Allen with the call kfan and that turns
Speaker 3: out to be that is the high point in all
Speaker 3: likelihood of the twenty twenty three Minnesota Viking season, up
Speaker 3: twenty four to three over the rival Packers in Lambeau.
Speaker 3: A Vikings team that started slow but was really turning
Speaker 3: it on with Kirk Cousins playing some of the best
Speaker 3: football of his career. But after he threw a pair
Speaker 3: of touchdown passes in this game, Cousins took a bad
Speaker 3: step on the field on the fourth quarter of the
Speaker 3: twenty four to ten victory immediately was ruled out after
Speaker 3: an examination. You started seeing things floating around on Twitter,
Speaker 3: a close up of his calf area and that redded
Speaker 3: ripple that we saw on Monday Night Football with Aaron
Speaker 3: Rodgers back in Week one, and sure enough reports out
Speaker 3: there that it is indeed a torn achilles tendon for
Speaker 3: Kirk Cousins that will end his season and in maybe
Speaker 3: all likelihood his Minnesota Vikings career. Here's Kevin O'Connell, who
Speaker 3: did not announce anything because it's not official official yet,
Speaker 3: but talking about Cousins as a guy who will no
Speaker 3: longer be playing for them this season.
Speaker 13: I'm thinking of Kirk our locker room, every single player
Speaker 13: in our locker room, you know, thinking about our leader,
Speaker 13: our guy right now, and I'm just so proud of him,
Speaker 13: proud of the way he's played all season long, and
Speaker 13: you know it's you know, whatever is the case, if
Speaker 13: we don't have him for one snap or or for
Speaker 13: the duration of our season, that will not change the
Speaker 13: fact of what I believe Kirk Cousins, the level he
Speaker 13: played to this year, and ultimately what he's meant to
Speaker 13: me in our organization.
Speaker 3: Cousins has never missed a game because of injury in
Speaker 3: his twelve year career, and iron Man he sat at
Speaker 3: one game in twenty twenty one because of a positive
Speaker 3: COVID test. I'm sure, GREGI this is always one of
Speaker 3: my favorite players to watch, and the Vikings were really
Speaker 3: shaping up as one of the more interesting teams in
Speaker 3: the NFC in the second half, and it all disappears
Speaker 3: in a blink.
Speaker 4: It's so crazy because you think about this game where
Speaker 4: they look clearly better than the Packers. Osbourne gets ninety nine,
Speaker 4: Hockinson eighty eight, Addison is a legit dude, eighty two
Speaker 4: yards in a touchdown and where they can go because
Speaker 4: their defense is good. And I look at this team,
Speaker 4: I think they're better than they were a year ago
Speaker 4: on balance, and they're not going to get the thirteen wins,
Speaker 4: and you think of Cousins and how they didn't sign
Speaker 4: him coming into this year, that he's gonna be a
Speaker 4: free agent with Achilles, and it's just heartbreaking. And you
Speaker 4: also think of the timing because the trade deadline is Tuesday,
Speaker 4: and to me, that's a bit of a gift for
Speaker 4: the Vikings because they chose to go into this season
Speaker 4: and it was a big topic in Minnesota with Jaren
Speaker 4: Hall as their backup quarterback, fifth round rookie, they couldn't
Speaker 4: get good play out. I think it was what Nick
Speaker 4: Mullins was on the roster before too. I think being
Speaker 4: here to see what's out there because Jaren Hall just
Speaker 4: doesn't feel like it's something that can that you want
Speaker 4: for ten games, for nine games, whether it's Jameis Winston
Speaker 4: or Ryan Tannehill or someone like this year's version of
Speaker 4: Josh Dobbs. I do think they're given not a gift,
Speaker 4: but just the fact that it's this week and not
Speaker 4: next week, they can maybe do something about it. I
Speaker 4: would expect them to do something about it.
Speaker 5: I yeah, because so when they beat the Bears in
Speaker 5: that nineteen to thirteen contest, which it was a win,
Speaker 5: but it looked to me like the coaching staff had
Speaker 5: not cooked up a way to cover over justin Jefferson's absence.
Speaker 5: I thought, against the Niners, you know, with Addison stepping up,
Speaker 5: there are answers, and today we saw multiple pass catchers
Speaker 5: be extremely productive and Kirk Cousins is playing one of
Speaker 5: the best seasons of his life. You lose them, But
Speaker 5: then you look at the schedule, and I'm with you,
Speaker 5: why not look for a Jamis Winston or someone like that.
Speaker 5: You've got the Falcons, the Saints, the Broncos, the Bears,
Speaker 5: and the Raiders coming up next year for and four?
Speaker 5: Why not it's over well because and I get staff
Speaker 5: can't think that way.
Speaker 6: I guess, well.
Speaker 3: They can't, but like we can, like you can't. Just
Speaker 3: you're not going to trade for a quarterback in week nine.
Speaker 3: You could trade for James and then expect him. Yeah,
Speaker 3: we think Jameis Winston would do with the playbook.
Speaker 5: About a guy that this is aie. It absolutely is,
Speaker 5: I guess.
Speaker 4: I just mean, look, it's not going to be in
Speaker 4: Quesse's long term plan like this is. The team's actually
Speaker 4: trying to add draft picks and think about the future.
Speaker 4: And get rid of, you know, veterans. We were talking
Speaker 4: about them trading away veterans. Could it be something that
Speaker 4: actually makes them more likely to trade Daniel Hunter over
Speaker 4: the next two days. I don't know, but I think
Speaker 4: just life is short and you have to all live
Speaker 4: in the next nine game and you could say, like
Speaker 4: it's over. Yeah, they're not gonna win the super Bowl.
Speaker 4: They weren't winning the Super Bowl anyways. I think you
Speaker 4: have a responsibility to your team that if you can
Speaker 4: get a guy like a Jamis or I'm not coming
Speaker 4: up with you know, great ant Kobe, you know, or
Speaker 4: and it could be for like a fourth round pick
Speaker 4: or something, and that dramatically improves your next nine games.
Speaker 6: I think I.
Speaker 1: Wouldn't even do that though, Like why would you bring because.
Speaker 6: What's a fourth ron pick? It's it's like a coin flip.
Speaker 6: They value them like erylers value them. They do.
Speaker 4: But that's what I mean, Like, to me, nine games
Speaker 4: of these next nine games are more valuable than a
Speaker 4: coin flip for guys.
Speaker 6: That might be a backup side.
Speaker 3: I hear what trust me, I hear what you guys
Speaker 3: are saying. I'm not trying to be flip about it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm just like kind of being a little more black
Speaker 3: and white, and and sometimes you just get screwed and
Speaker 3: they lose Jefferson to a serious hamstring injury. Now you
Speaker 3: lose your franchise quarterback to the most brutal injury.
Speaker 1: And it's just like that's kind of it.
Speaker 3: And maybe for this team where they are now, it's
Speaker 3: not the worst thing now for to be a developmental
Speaker 3: get the if this kid he's on your roster, coach
Speaker 3: him up and see what you get out of him,
Speaker 3: and maybe you get a high draft pick if things
Speaker 3: go poorly, and if he develops, it's a it's a
Speaker 3: bonus that comes out of a terrible situation. I just
Speaker 3: think trading for like a guy like a Jake Brisket,
Speaker 3: it's like, what are you really trying to do?
Speaker 1: Like it wins get think.
Speaker 5: Part of it is it's your head coach in a
Speaker 5: particularly tough situation.
Speaker 1: What do you want to tell your locker room.
Speaker 5: I wonder if maybe you tell one announcing booth Matt
Speaker 5: Ryan won't be with you anymore.
Speaker 6: That's true.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't touch it.
Speaker 6: I forget the draft pick.
Speaker 4: It's like they're not gonna even with Jaron Hall they're
Speaker 4: not going to lose enough games to get a worse
Speaker 4: record than this Packers team right now. Like yeah, like
Speaker 4: the Packers are one of the worst teams in the NFL.
Speaker 4: There's going to be too many bad teams for them.
Speaker 3: By the way, Matt Ryan, it's funny you brought him
Speaker 3: up because Matt Ryan did supposedly reach out to the Jets,
Speaker 3: or his presentation did, so, you know, I'm sure maybe
Speaker 3: if he did it for the Jets, even I could
Speaker 3: play with Justin Jefferson and a nice dome.
Speaker 1: That doesn't sound too bad.
Speaker 3: We'll see, We'll see what happens that the let's hit
Speaker 3: the Packers because we've got to keep moving.
Speaker 1: But it's bad.
Speaker 3: It's this team is obviously going in the wrong direction,
Speaker 3: and I think especially Jordan Love is going in the
Speaker 3: wrong direction because earlier in the season, through about week three,
Speaker 3: you're thinking yourself, wow, they're just rolling into the next guy.
Speaker 3: In this game, you really could see a young passer
Speaker 3: whose confidence is in a bad way right now, which yes,
Speaker 3: he's a young passer, but he's also been cooking on
Speaker 3: the bench for a couple of years now, so you
Speaker 3: were hoping maybe you wouldn't have to live with something
Speaker 3: like this.
Speaker 1: But he was missing open receivers.
Speaker 3: He's making bad decisions, He's turning the ball over a lot.
Speaker 1: He has eight.
Speaker 3: Interceptions in the last five games. Underthrows just kind of
Speaker 3: throwing prayer balls up repeatedly in this game and hoping
Speaker 3: for good results. It just seems like he is trending downward.
Speaker 3: And Packers fans, who are a very positive fan base,
Speaker 3: I feel like, for the most part, at least inside
Speaker 3: that building, they're like booing like they're the Philadelphia Eagles fans,
Speaker 3: and they're booing Matt lafore and they're booing the quarterback
Speaker 3: and the general direction of the offense, which is kind
Speaker 3: of rudderless right now.
Speaker 5: Yeah, if you're twenty five, you've never been through this.
Speaker 5: If you're thirty five as a Packers fan, you've never
Speaker 5: been through this. And it's unusual to see a game
Speaker 5: that starts with four punts, you have ninety eight yards
Speaker 5: in the first half, twelve minutes a time of possession,
Speaker 5: and you close the game with three essentially fourth down
Speaker 5: stops downs in a row. It's like they're not this
Speaker 5: is Matt Lafleor's coaching challenge, and it's not working right now,
Speaker 5: and it's interesting to see Packers fans in a place
Speaker 5: like this because it's pretty unprecedented.
Speaker 4: Right, Cousin's injury happened before that, you know, when that
Speaker 4: fumble happened, and they had totally you know, they had
Speaker 4: the ball inside the then they totally had a chance
Speaker 4: to get back into this game and it was like nothing.
Speaker 3: Cousins, by the way, before he went out was twelve
Speaker 3: to thirteen for one hundred and thirty nine yards and
Speaker 3: a touchdown on third down, So he was cooking up
Speaker 3: the Green Bay defense on third downs. And yeah, the
Speaker 3: the Packers' offense has gotten a five straight games without
Speaker 3: a touchdown in the first half. They didn't have their
Speaker 3: first first down in this game until four minutes of
Speaker 3: the second quarter. So for the first time, I really
Speaker 3: think the Matt Lafleur era is under attack right now,
Speaker 3: and I think there's a chance he could be in
Speaker 3: some trouble if this thing stays bad or gets worse
Speaker 3: from here.
Speaker 5: Do you think it's a it's a hymnish? Was it
Speaker 5: a him issue versus like because the offense isn't working
Speaker 5: and he's the offensive guy. I don't know, like he
Speaker 5: has a role.
Speaker 4: It was just show me something we said going into
Speaker 4: the season that we're gonna really learn about Matt Lafleur. Like,
Speaker 4: was it just you know Rogers or like, is he
Speaker 4: a coach that can sustain success and they're one of
Speaker 4: the worst teams in the NFL.
Speaker 3: He's got a lot of work to do. There's no
Speaker 3: doubt about that. All right, let's see where are we at.
Speaker 3: Let's head to Jarro World.
Speaker 14: Here's third night. Rams are gonna rush four. Prescott runs
Speaker 14: up out of the pocket and runs right looking.
Speaker 6: Down field, throw it to the end zone. Touchdown.
Speaker 1: She there it is.
Speaker 6: That's easy cash, shit's all.
Speaker 14: That's CD twenty two yards and his second touchdown of
Speaker 14: the day.
Speaker 6: That's what the Texas Coast offense is.
Speaker 1: Messages. Target your best guy.
Speaker 3: In the end zone a lot. Anyway, Brad Sham. The
Speaker 3: sham got our buddy from KLRD with the call. There
Speaker 3: Dak Prescott through two of his four touchdown passes to
Speaker 3: CD Lamb, who was a menace in this game.
Speaker 1: Toron Bland had his third pick six. That's pretty crazy.
Speaker 3: What and the Cowboys torch the Rams forty three to twenty.
Speaker 3: That is the eleventh consecutive win at AT and T Stadium
Speaker 3: for America's team. Greg, Wow, it's funny. I didn't realize
Speaker 3: that either. It's funny the NFL because after the Niners
Speaker 3: smoke Dallas a few weeks ago, the Cowboys were rightfully
Speaker 3: being flamed as this overly familiar pretender and maybe they
Speaker 3: are still, but then they drop a hammer like this,
Speaker 3: and you see what's happened to San Francisco since, And
Speaker 3: you're just thinking to yourself, like, NFC is freaky right now?
Speaker 4: It is, and they're so talented, and you just see
Speaker 4: it when they're it's allowed to come out that they
Speaker 4: are among those teams that have a chance.
Speaker 6: I know you don't want to. You know, you're not
Speaker 6: gonna believe them in them Mark, and I don't know.
Speaker 6: I have to see too.
Speaker 1: You can say this about fourteen teams and right, they
Speaker 1: have a chance. You're right.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't. I would only say it about like five.
Speaker 4: But they're one of those five because they're so talented.
Speaker 4: On a day like this, like Ceedee Lamb listening to
Speaker 4: around the NFL on the way to the stadium saying saying,
Speaker 4: you know, I'm on pace for like ninety catches and
Speaker 4: thirteen hundred yards.
Speaker 6: Dad, get off my back.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna put up nine for one, twenty two and
Speaker 4: two in the first freaking half.
Speaker 1: There you go.
Speaker 3: I mean, I want I don't want you to be
Speaker 3: like a guy that's just like filling the statute, and
Speaker 3: I want you to be ag aj Brown taking games over.
Speaker 1: And it's what he did today.
Speaker 4: He did because it was everything to me. He's a
Speaker 4: top ten receivers. There's so many good receivers, but he
Speaker 4: because he can do everything. He can win at the catchpoint,
Speaker 4: he can make plays after the catch.
Speaker 6: He was so good after the catch today.
Speaker 4: And then he can you know, improvise like he did
Speaker 4: on that last touchdown play, just snatching ball, snatching souls
Speaker 4: and Dak has played about eight perfect quarters. I know
Speaker 4: he had an interception in this game, but it was
Speaker 4: on a tip pass. Is that the line of scrimmage?
Speaker 4: He was near perfect. One of his best games in
Speaker 4: a long time against the Chargers before the buy came out.
Speaker 4: Made all the right decisions in this game. Was hit
Speaker 4: a few times and still just like made great decisions. Really,
Speaker 4: if you're a Cowboys fan, you just love to see it.
Speaker 4: You love to see Brandon Cooks getting involved to.
Speaker 5: I think what I like about Dallas and we've seen it,
Speaker 5: you know, multiple times this season, is that when they
Speaker 5: win and when it's like the little girl with her umbrella,
Speaker 5: the reins at Poor's girl on the salt box, like
Speaker 5: it's not coming from just one place, It's coming from
Speaker 5: like all facets of the team, and we saw it
Speaker 5: in the season opener. But today it's like you get
Speaker 5: the Dern Bland pick six, you get a punt block
Speaker 5: for a safety on special teams, you get Ceedee, Lamb
Speaker 5: and Dak playing the best versions of what they are,
Speaker 5: and Mike McCarthy has one of his greatest you know,
Speaker 5: offensive coaching performances of the entire season, and that I
Speaker 5: can believe in. It's just like you know, we'll see,
Speaker 5: but it's like this is encouraging. The only thing I'd
Speaker 5: say as a human is that, like human, well, Sean
Speaker 5: McVay just like had a baby two days ago, and
Speaker 5: like we've all had children and we have them now,
Speaker 5: but like that week, that couple, like that those hours
Speaker 5: after that happens is a complete mystical uh fog of
Speaker 5: war scenarios. So it's like having to go deal with this. Well,
Speaker 5: I'm just saying, let off the hook. If you talk
Speaker 5: about one thing that could disrupt your life, it might
Speaker 5: be that it's.
Speaker 3: Just a little bit and he's like twenty million in
Speaker 3: the bank and probably like a full time op.
Speaker 1: Hair I know, but it's right, you'll tell you.
Speaker 6: I don't know. It's the mom that's.
Speaker 1: Doing all the work with your new baby. I haven't
Speaker 1: just one thing.
Speaker 3: I have been there. We've all been there. Yeah, Eric,
Speaker 3: one day you'll be there too, big funk. Maybe you
Speaker 3: guys will both be though, for both of you, because
Speaker 3: it's a beautiful thing. But let's keep it real. And
Speaker 3: the women that listen to our show, the scamp few,
Speaker 3: they know the truth. The dad's not doing too much
Speaker 3: around this time. The baby doesn't care about dad's hot.
Speaker 3: The baby cares about mom who's keeping him alive, him
Speaker 3: or her alive.
Speaker 1: So to say that the head coach of the Rams,
Speaker 1: it's let off the hook. Were you all got a
Speaker 1: tavern when your child is?
Speaker 6: I was like, I was there enough. You're not doing
Speaker 6: any work.
Speaker 4: You're like, you're like Desmond Ridder after he got bench today,
Speaker 4: just clap it on the sideline.
Speaker 6: The grandparents come.
Speaker 5: In the world where like I'm not saying like physically
Speaker 5: Sean McVay then the you know partner, but it's it's
Speaker 5: not off the hook.
Speaker 4: I don't Yeah, I don't think McVeigh had had much
Speaker 4: to do with a couple of questionable calls early in
Speaker 4: this game that went against the Rams. One extended a
Speaker 4: drive for the Cowboys, that ended a touch on. One
Speaker 4: ended a drive, uh for the Rams. And he definitely
Speaker 4: wasn't throwing the ball to nowhere with that pick six
Speaker 4: where Stafford and cup just weren't on the same page.
Speaker 1: Ulc Stafford gets hurt in this.
Speaker 4: It really seemed like Stafford just made a mistake on
Speaker 4: that on that play, it made no sense on the
Speaker 4: pick six. And then Stafford on the last drive before
Speaker 4: halftime hits his thumb hard and you're thinking, oh, is
Speaker 4: he gonna have to leave the game? Did he just
Speaker 4: break it up? No, he's going to stay in there. Okay,
Speaker 4: he stays in there. And then he hits his thumb
Speaker 4: again on the helmet and and that was on a touchdown.
Speaker 4: You're like, oh, wow, okay, there not giving up in
Speaker 4: this game. They cut it to thirty three to nine
Speaker 4: before after then they come out out a half time. Okay,
Speaker 4: Stafford's still playing, He's gonna be fine. They score a
Speaker 4: touch then wow, it's now you know, thirty three fifteen,
Speaker 4: they're they're rallying. Let's dial up the two point conversion
Speaker 4: where Matthew Stafford has to catch the pass with this
Speaker 4: injured thumb and he catches it because it's not a
Speaker 4: perfect pass from Skwarnik or No. From two to two
Speaker 4: at well rather and he then dives for the end zone,
Speaker 4: embraces himself with his thumb.
Speaker 6: Come on, and then he hurts the same again.
Speaker 4: And McVeigh said after the game he actually believes that's
Speaker 4: the play. He heard his thumb on that before that
Speaker 4: he doesn't think it was a big problem and he's
Speaker 4: gonna go undergo an MRI on the thumb. So he
Speaker 4: was going down as like an all time like what
Speaker 4: was that play call in that moment?
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe McVeigh was if he was more focused, he
Speaker 3: would have pulled his quarterback out of them before that happened.
Speaker 5: It is a possibility. Uh, we have a lot of
Speaker 5: backup quarterback ecs in this league right now. See its
Speaker 5: not a great vibe.
Speaker 4: Major Bones Fossil Revenge game. Though, with a big return
Speaker 4: of block punt. You want to go cheap on special
Speaker 4: teams Rams you entered this week thirty second in DVA
Speaker 4: and special teams and their special teams killed them all
Speaker 4: day today.
Speaker 3: And I'm gonna cycle back real quick because we're gonna
Speaker 3: bring up coordinators.
Speaker 1: Captain lou Anarumo, what a job.
Speaker 6: He was fired up too.
Speaker 1: He was job on the.
Speaker 3: Telecast saying, hey, guys, get ready, this is a head
Speaker 3: coach in a couple of months, and he will be.
Speaker 3: But yeah, Bones, who's had He's been an interim head
Speaker 3: coach in his past. I wonder if he didn't work
Speaker 3: his way up the ranks. We all seem to like
Speaker 3: bones fossil. So anyway, forty three to twenty Cowboys role,
Speaker 3: Let's hope Matty Stafford is healthy. And last note, you
Speaker 3: mentioned Cooper, Cup and Stafford Don on the same page.
Speaker 3: Cup and Pooka and Akua combined to go seven for
Speaker 3: sixty four in this game. That's basically like a half
Speaker 3: a production for these guys at other points this season.
Speaker 3: That's what they did combined. Let's take a break and
Speaker 3: then welcome in the pipe. All right, we're back and
Speaker 3: just cycling back to the thing, because again we have
Speaker 3: a lot of male listeners and maybe a lot of
Speaker 3: men that are new fathers or fathers to be.
Speaker 1: You don't. Don't get me wrong.
Speaker 3: You are on call, like you need to be there
Speaker 3: post baby, and but you are basically a glorified gopher
Speaker 3: like that's and and whatever she tells you to do,
Speaker 3: you do. And if you have a chance to hold
Speaker 3: the baby, that's great too.
Speaker 1: But you're not. You're just not a vital You're not
Speaker 1: a vital piece of the pie.
Speaker 5: At that point, I thought I did a tremendous job personally,
Speaker 5: So you know he's thinking this personally.
Speaker 1: Right, I don't.
Speaker 3: I'm sure you were great, since you were very flexible
Speaker 3: and and there for her.
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying.
Speaker 4: You're awake a lot. But I don't think that means
Speaker 4: you know that Sean McVay called the different games.
Speaker 5: Well to your point, back when this happened to me,
Speaker 5: you know our HR department, you know, a sleep at
Speaker 5: the wheel. I was back at work three days later,
Speaker 5: So there's that. There's that aspect of it.
Speaker 3: I'm not enough cleaning fingers, But how vital could you
Speaker 3: be if you're already back at work three days.
Speaker 5: No, I became completely a complete non endsity. You're a
Speaker 5: bit player, yeah, and kept that real sense.
Speaker 1: All right, It's time.
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Speaker 3: Grand Highlander.
Speaker 1: Let's head to the Bottle formerly known as Hines.
Speaker 11: From a forty four yard line, two left, three right,
Speaker 11: empty backfield for Trevor.
Speaker 6: He dropped four man rushed looks fires right side. Both
Speaker 6: caught coverage Jim five Nadian.
Speaker 11: Zone touchdown a touchdown pass from Trevor Lawrence to Travis
Speaker 11: dn A fifty six yards for the score.
Speaker 1: Break Frangie.
Speaker 3: Frankie w okav with the call. Trevor Lawrence through for
Speaker 3: two hundred and ninety two yards and hooked up with
Speaker 3: Travis DTN for that fifty six yard or late in
Speaker 3: the third quarter. It was a dag for the Jags,
Speaker 3: who ran their winning streak to four with a twenty
Speaker 3: to ten win over the Steelers. Yes, in Pittsburgh, we
Speaker 3: now welcome in the iconic pipe, Nick Shook Shooky. A
Speaker 3: road win in that environment tells me a lot about
Speaker 3: Doug Peterson's team.
Speaker 10: How say you, yeah, I mean it was a soggy
Speaker 10: day in Pittsburgh. It's been pretty poor weather here in
Speaker 10: the Midwest last day or two, and usually especially in
Speaker 10: that stadium where the field is notoriously pretty bad at
Speaker 10: holding up against the elements. It was gonna be a challenge,
Speaker 10: and especially for how this team operates offensively and really
Speaker 10: how the whole first half went for them, because they
Speaker 10: probably should have won this game by three scorers, maybe
Speaker 10: four scorers. They had plenty of opportunities, they just didn't
Speaker 10: finish drives. But Trevor Lawrence had a solid day overall.
Speaker 10: So it wasn't until that touchdown pass where it was like,
Speaker 10: finally they've broken through. They've They've put themselves far enough
Speaker 10: ahead where I feel comfortable that the Steelers are not
Speaker 10: going to come back and win this game. Yeah, big
Speaker 10: win for them going on the road, getting down there
Speaker 10: and continuing their winning streak. It's you know, the Jags
Speaker 10: are a sending baby.
Speaker 4: So we're doing TNF this week. I'm on the case
Speaker 4: with the recap little Steelers Titans. Before today started, I
Speaker 4: thought that might be like Tannehill versus Picket. Now it
Speaker 4: might be Trubisky versus Levice. What give me the give
Speaker 4: me the Mitch Trubisky update in terms of how he
Speaker 4: looked when he came in for Pickett, and and everything
Speaker 4: about how Pickett looked with the injury.
Speaker 10: If any matchup describes where we are as a league
Speaker 10: right now, it's that backup quarterbacks is called lore first off,
Speaker 10: but Trubisky looked like Trubisky. He put together a nice
Speaker 10: touchdown drive. It was an eight place, seventy five yard
Speaker 10: drive that George Pickens did the last twenty two yards
Speaker 10: worth of work. By the way, look up that highlight.
Speaker 10: He leaps over a defender and then gets that defender
Speaker 10: to take out the other defender, and then just slips
Speaker 10: that arm off of his leg and walks right into
Speaker 10: the end zone like one of those plays that you
Speaker 10: just see like a super athlete make like an alien,
Speaker 10: make super easy for him. It was great, But otherwise
Speaker 10: Trubisky was still Trubisky. He threw two picks. One of
Speaker 10: them mattered a lot because they still had a shot
Speaker 10: to come back in this game, and it effectively ended that.
Speaker 10: I mean, he's a backup for a reason. We know
Speaker 10: who he is. At this point. There's nothing really different.
Speaker 10: He'll he'll do some things that impress you, but overall
Speaker 10: he's still mitched Trubisky.
Speaker 1: They also lost Minka Fitzpatrick.
Speaker 5: The Steelers Travis Etn, who I think is you know,
Speaker 5: at this point just simply sort of underrated, was a
Speaker 5: big factor in this game. I just saw, like on
Speaker 5: on on X a lot of hate for Trevor Lawrence
Speaker 5: early on, like just like, hey, he's regressed. He looks
Speaker 5: like he's being coached by arabn Meyer well early on
Speaker 5: in the game. So I don't know where if that
Speaker 5: was just totally misguided, but like I know, there were
Speaker 5: some issues like would it do you feel like it
Speaker 5: was just sort of like the elements, the weather, just
Speaker 5: a bad little stretch, and he played well.
Speaker 10: Overall, he looked he played well. Yeah, I thought he
Speaker 10: looked a lot like he's looked for the last month.
Speaker 10: I think that's the big confusion with Trevor Lawrence. We've
Speaker 10: discussed this, you know, separately in relation to QB index,
Speaker 10: is that he hasn't had the spectacular game or produced
Speaker 10: all the highlights that you expect from him. But overall
Speaker 10: he's been very solid and he was very accurate today,
Speaker 10: again especially considering the elements, just all a few times
Speaker 10: they couldn't convert third down a few times.
Speaker 1: And that was that.
Speaker 10: But I liked most of what I saw from him,
Speaker 10: all the talents. That has not.
Speaker 3: Changed anything else from this game shook in terms of takeaways.
Speaker 10: Losing making Fitzpatrick hurts. I don't know the details and
Speaker 10: the severity of that at this point, but that was
Speaker 10: a direct contributor to why Travis etm was able to
Speaker 10: score that touchdown. Otherwise, I mean, it's a bummer for
Speaker 10: the Steelers watching Kenny Picky go down really hurts because
Speaker 10: last week it felt like they were taking that next step.
Speaker 10: Maybe this was where, you know, they won some games
Speaker 10: when they were a bad team. Maybe they end up
Speaker 10: winning more games as a good team. I don't know
Speaker 10: what they are now.
Speaker 4: But that's it's a rib injury, so we'll see how
Speaker 4: long term that is. He only averaged four yards per
Speaker 4: attempt on sixteen throws. You know, before he left and
Speaker 4: Steelers fans have been begging for them to bench Peterson
Speaker 4: and bringing Porter Junior. And he starts his first game
Speaker 4: and they go crazy and he's the one getting cooked
Speaker 4: by et That's.
Speaker 10: Not his fault, though, that's his fault. The safety should
Speaker 10: have had him over the top and came down, tried
Speaker 10: to drill down them a third and short play and
Speaker 10: left it wide open.
Speaker 4: It's crazy, by the way, where they got the pipe
Speaker 4: to that take, and he just it's fair, rushed it.
Speaker 6: It's fair.
Speaker 4: They've been begging for these young players to come in.
Speaker 4: They had a couple young cornerbacks play today and then
Speaker 4: left tackle.
Speaker 6: It's like, that's not gonna solve it. This is good.
Speaker 4: The Steelers were in the like they can't keep getting
Speaker 4: away with this U meme category for me, so I
Speaker 4: didn't want them to get away with another one. This
Speaker 4: Jaguars team is good. I have higher expectations now than
Speaker 4: I take.
Speaker 5: Hard Steelers fans. Greg feels good about what happened.
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Speaker 3: Grand Highlander. All right, let's move on to an NFC
Speaker 3: East matchup. I hope it hit the over in Washington.
Speaker 14: Hurts calling for the football clock still running forty thirty nine,
Speaker 14: Hurts back, Hurts.
Speaker 15: Looking comes into the end zone.
Speaker 4: Come it has.
Speaker 16: Cut touchdowm hey j Boum.
Speaker 11: I don't know how he pulled them.
Speaker 6: He was near the sidelines, want to play.
Speaker 3: See this is what I was saying that Connie with
Speaker 3: a love colleague for many reasons including she's a real
Speaker 3: deal sports fan, real Philly fan.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Phillies didn't get it done, he kind of joked,
Speaker 1: but you got this Eagles team and he got the
Speaker 1: Sixers too, and the philsom back in April.
Speaker 3: Things are okay, especially when Jalen Hurts and AJ Brown
Speaker 3: are making magic every week. Hurts through four touchdown passes,
Speaker 3: including a pair to Brown and the thirty one to
Speaker 3: twenty one win over the Commanders. Shookie, are we as
Speaker 3: a society? You know, we don't allow such black magic?
Speaker 3: In terms of what I'm about to say, but is
Speaker 3: it crazy for me to throw it out there that
Speaker 3: AJ Brown should be in the MVP conversation season's midpoint
Speaker 3: because there is no one this side of well maybe
Speaker 3: Tyreek Hill that's even in his universe right now.
Speaker 1: In terms of production as a wide receiver.
Speaker 10: Lil Wayne once released an EP under the title I
Speaker 10: Am Not a Human being.
Speaker 6: Yeah that is AJ Brown. He's not human.
Speaker 5: Two recaps in a row with an alien reference by you. So, yeah,
Speaker 5: you've got marks a little too much Charles Davis in
Speaker 5: my here today.
Speaker 10: That's where it came from.
Speaker 6: But oh, I mean A G.
Speaker 10: Brown's incredible. Like let's say serio games with one hundred
Speaker 10: and twenty five plus receiving yards, he should absolutely be
Speaker 10: in the conversation for VP. Let's take it outside of quarterback.
Speaker 10: Let's open our minds to the other possibilities of potential
Speaker 10: galaxies beyond ours. Right, let's do that with the MVP
Speaker 10: as well. Let's let's put some receivers in there. He
Speaker 10: is the main reason that the Eagles win games, whether
Speaker 10: it's close or not. Jalen Hurts. The course has to
Speaker 10: put the ball on him, which he's doing a great
Speaker 10: job of. But it's it's really fun to watch man.
Speaker 10: He just does a spectacular thing or two every week.
Speaker 10: He catches every contested past. He's about as as reliable
Speaker 10: as death and taxes, but it has a positive connotation.
Speaker 3: Here's the stat he became the first player in NFL
Speaker 3: history AJ Brown to record one hundred and twenty five
Speaker 3: or more receiving yards than six consecutive games, raking a
Speaker 3: post merger record held by Megatron.
Speaker 4: This is, like sneakily one of the best matchups in
Speaker 4: the NFL. Every time they play it comes down to
Speaker 4: the wires. The same last year. Earlier this season, the
Speaker 4: Commanders had the best day anyone's had against the Eagles defense.
Speaker 4: Then they put up thirty one including four hundred and
Speaker 4: seventy two yards. They have a touchdown lead in the
Speaker 4: fourth quarter, but then the next two touchdowes and it
Speaker 4: came in quick succession. So tell me about this fourth
Speaker 4: quarter that the Eagles put up twenty one points in
Speaker 4: a row, including DeVante Smith finally getting off he gets
Speaker 4: ninety nine and a touch.
Speaker 6: And then Julio Jones.
Speaker 4: I know it was the only catchy out all day,
Speaker 4: but it was a tough catch and it's.
Speaker 6: A game winning catch. Julio Jones in the year twenty
Speaker 6: twenty three with a game win wearing number eighty, which
Speaker 6: just doesn't feel right now, not at all. It's gross.
Speaker 10: My reaction to this is it's not safe for work.
Speaker 10: So I'm going to censor myself because I shouted at
Speaker 10: the top of my lungs sitting here in my home office.
Speaker 10: Oh my god, Julio fing Jones. Yes, I I had
Speaker 10: to figure out who eighty was real quick, and then well,
Speaker 10: they don't have another receiver of that height that can
Speaker 10: make that type of play. It was nice to see
Speaker 10: that if he could actually be something, this might be
Speaker 10: the best receiving core in football, especially since they had
Speaker 10: Devonte Smith back now and they all contributed in this
Speaker 10: game to varying degrees. That turn really came at a
Speaker 10: crucial point in the game where you know it's back
Speaker 10: and forth. And these two games were so similar. Like
Speaker 10: you pointed out Greg that earlier in the season, Week four,
Speaker 10: the Commanders tied up against the Eagles at twenty four
Speaker 10: a piece with eight oh one left in the fourth
Speaker 10: eight forty seven left in the fourth. Today, the Eagles
Speaker 10: tied up with the Commanders at twenty four a piece.
Speaker 10: I go back and look it up because it was
Speaker 10: so similar. I've been here before. But that shift was
Speaker 10: the only time in the entire game where Sam Howe
Speaker 10: wasn't awesome, because he was really good throughout the day.
Speaker 10: They were getting pressures like according to how it's registered,
Speaker 10: but I wasn't seeing it. They only finished with one
Speaker 10: sack on the day, and he was just dropping all
Speaker 10: over the field. The only guys he missed were kind
Speaker 10: of downfield, just shot plays. Otherwise he calm cool, collected,
Speaker 10: moving that off, making it look easy, and then he
Speaker 10: ran into a rut. He throws a pass into traffic,
Speaker 10: read Blake and Ship picks it off. They produced a
Speaker 10: touchdown off of it, and suddenly his confidence is a
Speaker 10: little rattled. Now he's missing Terry McLaurin on third and
Speaker 10: fourth down, throws on a drive they absolutely got a
Speaker 10: convert on. They turn it over on downs and it
Speaker 10: was over from there. They're down by two touchdowns and
Speaker 10: they don't have enough to come back. That's what swung
Speaker 10: the game. It was a really entertaining year.
Speaker 5: It does feel a little bit like Jeff Fisher's old
Speaker 5: rams against Pete Carroll Seahawks, where it's like, why are
Speaker 5: the commanders?
Speaker 1: Why do they keep showing up against this team? Over
Speaker 1: and over?
Speaker 5: What I love about the Eagles because it's like we're
Speaker 5: a little mystified by their offense week to week. Not
Speaker 5: so much today obviously, when you've got Brown and Smith
Speaker 5: going catching all fifteen of their targets and doing what
Speaker 5: they did, it's like they're finding themselves.
Speaker 6: But I look at playing great right now. Right Earlier in.
Speaker 5: The year, though, they were able to run the ball
Speaker 5: with such power and might, and I like, the last
Speaker 5: two or three games that's not been the case. I'm
Speaker 5: just looking at they were two point seven yards per kerry.
Speaker 5: Is that just sort of a grain a game script
Speaker 5: scenario or is it like something is happening with this
Speaker 5: incredible offensive game.
Speaker 3: They score thirty eight and fumbled twice inside the three
Speaker 3: yard line of Washing.
Speaker 4: I think defenses are trying to take it away. I
Speaker 4: really noticed that in the Miami game, we really loaded
Speaker 4: up to stop the run and dare Jalen hurts to
Speaker 4: beat them, and then he keeps beating them. The timing
Speaker 4: of this game though for Washington, when they were winning,
Speaker 4: I thought, oh, there's another team that's maybe out of
Speaker 4: the trademark. It's really interesting because we heard reports that
Speaker 4: the result of this game will impact whether they potentially
Speaker 4: trade a pass rusher aka Chase Young or Mantes sweat
Speaker 4: most likely Chase Young. And then I'm like, well, what
Speaker 4: does this mean? You just played like the best team
Speaker 4: or one of the best teams in the NFC to
Speaker 4: in almost a standstill.
Speaker 6: You're only three and five.
Speaker 4: Ron Rivera isn't gonna be there next year if they
Speaker 4: don't make a playoffs and he's the one in theory
Speaker 4: that's trading these guys.
Speaker 6: Are they gonna make them trade?
Speaker 4: I don't know, but them losing this game, but in
Speaker 4: this fashion, it's confusing to me.
Speaker 6: It's why you got to push the trade deadline back.
Speaker 10: It feels like it's it could be an exact gative
Speaker 10: decision above him.
Speaker 4: For the who is that they don't have an executive
Speaker 4: above him.
Speaker 6: I guess the owner.
Speaker 4: I guess the owner is it's a new owner.
Speaker 10: I mean that.
Speaker 6: Grinding tape on Montes.
Speaker 4: But that also is maybe a new owner syndrome thing
Speaker 4: to do, like David Tepper has done it to Hey,
Speaker 4: no matter what he's like, I want you to go
Speaker 4: get picks. I'm not giving you a choice. Go trade
Speaker 4: one of these guys.
Speaker 1: I hate to think that this.
Speaker 3: We already have now witnessed the final game of the
Speaker 3: dynamic pass rushing duo, young and sweaty.
Speaker 1: But we're gonna find out in just a couple of days.
Speaker 3: Shook hop into your spaceship and zoom off to the
Speaker 3: gym and get.
Speaker 1: A pump in.
Speaker 10: Bro I'm not going to get into spaceship unless Mark
Speaker 10: loans me the multipurpose jacket that he's wearing again.
Speaker 6: Oh it's back a bit. I mean.
Speaker 3: You wait, that's Nick asked a question, what is the
Speaker 3: jacket a bit? The frequency in which you wear? We
Speaker 3: did touch on the NFL plus.
Speaker 4: It's on It's on the ATM podcast, So like everyone
Speaker 4: should follow that us on Instagram at n D atn pocket.
Speaker 5: I mean my forties into my year fifties has been
Speaker 5: a bit. So it's just you know, part and parcel
Speaker 5: of all that.
Speaker 3: So shook it was the answer I was looking. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that was some hard hitting journalism from the pipe. Alright, buddy,
Speaker 3: get him out of here. All right, let's head, uh,
Speaker 3: thank you to the pipe. As always, Let's head to
Speaker 3: the meadowlands where things got fareaky.
Speaker 12: Thomas Hennessy will snap, Thomas more Step will hold.
Speaker 11: Tirline ready the snap clean the plus conturnal.
Speaker 6: The kick is up and the kick cooks to the.
Speaker 17: Left, but it's done inside the left, up right for
Speaker 17: Sirloine and the Jets win.
Speaker 6: It in over time. And honestly, I'm not sure how.
Speaker 3: Bob was choosing with the gall and he is right
Speaker 3: for w EPN. According to let's start here, this is
Speaker 3: the New York for b New York game ends in
Speaker 3: a wild way, and I hit up my dad Keith
Speaker 3: that Dad, you want to chime in on this game?
Speaker 3: And he said, Noah, Danny, I don't even know what
Speaker 3: I would say, and I don't know what to say.
Speaker 3: And I was like, all right, that's fair according And
Speaker 3: this is why my dad was saying that. According to
Speaker 3: ESPN Analytics, the Giants had a ninety nine point nine
Speaker 3: percent win probability with less than one nineteen to go
Speaker 3: in the fourth quarter. But that's when things got miraculous.
Speaker 3: In the Meadowlands. Graham Ganot shanked a chippy on fourth
Speaker 3: and one, the Giants committed an ill timed off sides
Speaker 3: penalty Kavon, which was otherwise a great game from Kaevon.
Speaker 1: He was very nearly the hero.
Speaker 3: Then Zach Wilson gets a completion and a clock stoppage,
Speaker 3: a miracle clock stoppage with one second to play, which
Speaker 3: sets up the tying field goal. And then in overtime
Speaker 3: you heard that Greg the leg zerline completed the comeback
Speaker 3: after a PI call set the Jets up in the
Speaker 3: red zone.
Speaker 1: Thirteen ten Jetlife Stadium from Jet.
Speaker 3: Life Stadium, thirteen to ten, third straight victory for the Jets,
Speaker 3: and really, Mark, I was thinking about what you said.
Speaker 1: Quite frankly.
Speaker 3: You said it back in week one, when I was
Speaker 3: mourning what happened in that fateful Monday night with Aaron Rodgers,
Speaker 3: that you know, maybe this is going to be a weird,
Speaker 3: strange trip and a positive one for the Jets, and
Speaker 3: then you mentioned it again on Thursday. This team just
Speaker 3: seems there's something around this team that they find a way.
Speaker 3: And I cannot stress enough how poorly the Jets played
Speaker 3: in this game. And I understand that they're the Giants
Speaker 3: and they're a bad team, and bad teams find a way,
Speaker 3: but that is now three wins for the Jets that
Speaker 3: really you could argue that had no business winning, and
Speaker 3: yet they have, and that's why they're four and three
Speaker 3: and very much in the thick of things in the
Speaker 3: AFC playoff race.
Speaker 5: I think a magical carpet ride in the NFL, and
Speaker 5: we've witnessed a few of them don't typically look like it,
Speaker 5: and in box scores, they don't look like it. From
Speaker 5: drive to drive, it's a game that is so fascinating
Speaker 5: from a couple of different angles, and it's like, this
Speaker 5: is why I think the Jets are just they get
Speaker 5: caught in these strange little worlds. The teams were zero
Speaker 5: for eighteen and third downs in the first half. They
Speaker 5: combined for twenty four points. Like the record twenty four
Speaker 5: twenty four punts the record is twenty seven back in
Speaker 5: nineteen ninety eight, much more than points. They somehow went
Speaker 5: into overtime with a team in the New York Giants
Speaker 5: that had Tommy DeVito helping to negative nine total passing
Speaker 5: yards and you and the Giants somehow snuck into overtime.
Speaker 5: So it's like the Jets are clearly doing somethings very well.
Speaker 5: I just think they're a fascinating story. And if you
Speaker 5: can ever get to the doorway where you get Aaron
Speaker 5: Rodgers back and on the field again.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's the defense, it's that's playing well, catching
Speaker 3: a break with Tyrod Taylor going out one of many
Speaker 3: injuries in this game. But Greg, it was it was.
Speaker 3: It was not the offense on any capacity. Zach Wilson
Speaker 3: made two big throws at the end of regulation and
Speaker 3: then drew the PI with a deep ball that the
Speaker 3: Jets receiver was mugged. But this very closely was a
Speaker 3: game and a referendum again on Wilson and how poor
Speaker 3: both Wilson the QB is and terrible the play calling
Speaker 3: with Nate Hackett was, and that all gets pushed aside
Speaker 3: for another week.
Speaker 4: The NFL is crazy like that because the Deno mont
Speaker 4: of this game I thought was gonna be our guy.
Speaker 4: I don't know, our guy Cavon Yeah, sacking Zach Wilson
Speaker 4: his third sack of the game on a play on
Speaker 4: a fourth down play where you got to get rid
Speaker 4: of the ball, and Wilson's showing absolutely no awareness and
Speaker 4: taking that sack when he tries to peel back and
Speaker 4: the Giants taking over up three infield goal range with
Speaker 4: not only a couple timeouts for the Jets, and it
Speaker 4: looks over that feels like that's the end of the game.
Speaker 4: Is Wilson blowing that? But the sequence is really crazy
Speaker 4: to go back and look at, because the Giants were
Speaker 4: rushing the ball well. Saquan ends up with one twenty
Speaker 4: eight on the ground. The drive before that, they moved
Speaker 4: the ball quite well, even though Devido again as Mark mentioned,
Speaker 4: had negative passing here at the time. They just moved
Speaker 4: the ball down the field before I think another Gono
Speaker 4: miss right then he missed two at the end of
Speaker 4: that game, and Saquon if you watch it on first down,
Speaker 4: actually he has a big hole, and you know they
Speaker 4: told him just don't no matter what you do, don't
Speaker 4: fumble it. And he kind of didn't. He almost like
Speaker 4: just was holding the ball like to make sure he
Speaker 4: doesn't fumble, and went down to maybe a little easier
Speaker 4: than he would have otherwise, and they get They end
Speaker 4: up getting one yard away on third and one and
Speaker 4: Gono misses it. And even at that point, it's basically
Speaker 4: over except.
Speaker 6: For that offsidees call.
Speaker 4: I mean, Wilson has a nice throw to get to
Speaker 4: the a little pass midfield, but it wouldn't have mattered.
Speaker 6: They didn't have any time in the middle.
Speaker 1: They would have clocked it and then thrown a hell marriage.
Speaker 4: That's why the Giants were allowing that to happen. But
Speaker 4: it happened to be an offside on Cavon. He was
Speaker 4: getting greedy and it wind up being a free play,
Speaker 4: and then that sets him up around the forty five
Speaker 4: for Wilson to make his best play of the game
Speaker 4: and for their kicker not to blow it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Greg Credit.
Speaker 3: I thought you were going there on our chat client
Speaker 3: where we figure out the rundown of games. After Kavon
Speaker 3: has the third sack, I go on to the chat
Speaker 3: client and I say, all right, here's the highlight. It's
Speaker 3: kave On's third sack. Never locked the Jets, which was
Speaker 3: my message to both Mark Sessler and Nick Westling, even
Speaker 3: though he's not on that chat. Well, myself and a
Speaker 3: full Zoo, an entire Zoo had locked the Jets in
Speaker 3: this game.
Speaker 1: So from a cave on perspective, like this was his.
Speaker 3: Coming out party, and I don't want to gloss over
Speaker 3: that because he has really come on in recent weeks.
Speaker 3: Despite the personal history of our podcast has you cannot
Speaker 3: say that he is not making the leap in year
Speaker 3: two and he had won the game and he was
Speaker 3: going to be the star of the game. So for
Speaker 3: to be him jumped off sides, that was remarkable. And yeah,
Speaker 3: it's really hard to wrap your head around it. That
Speaker 3: does feel like there's a cosmic energy around this team.
Speaker 3: But I don't want you anyone to think that I'm
Speaker 3: coming out of this game thinking they don't have a
Speaker 3: major problem because the quarterback is still not a player.
Speaker 1: And yes, the trade.
Speaker 3: Deadline's coming up, and I just said, what's the idea
Speaker 3: of bring in a veteran in the middle of the season.
Speaker 1: Say here's a playbook.
Speaker 3: We got a game on Sunday, but with like Ryan
Speaker 3: Tannehill maybe out of the mix, and we're trying to
Speaker 3: get the ball, get the torch to Aaron Rodgers. Is
Speaker 3: there something there other than Zach Wilson. But I don't
Speaker 3: think that's the way this team thinks. I think they're
Speaker 3: gonna ride with Wilson. Here is Brian Dable talking about
Speaker 3: the decision, because it was one that was hotly contested.
Speaker 3: It was fourth and one, less than a yard really
Speaker 3: after the Saquon play Greg's talking about, and they could
Speaker 3: have went for and they were running the ball well
Speaker 3: at that point, they were wearing down the Jets defensive line.
Speaker 1: They could have just run the ball.
Speaker 3: Either get the first down and niel it out or
Speaker 3: you don't get the first down on the Jets have
Speaker 3: like twenty five seconds and no timeouts or whatever it was,
Speaker 3: to go to the length of the field.
Speaker 1: Here's what Dable said, kick a field goal there.
Speaker 7: Then they have twenty four seconds with no timeouts and
Speaker 7: they need a touchdown. So counted. I'm making a field
Speaker 7: goal and then they'd have twenty four seconds but no
Speaker 7: timeouts to have to drive at the length. And our
Speaker 7: defense was playing really good all games. So that's why
Speaker 7: I made the decision.
Speaker 3: It's you know, the only thing I'll say is that Gano,
Speaker 3: who was a great kicker, having a bad year. Now
Speaker 3: there's a report during the game that he's got a
Speaker 3: bad need, that he's kicking through pain, that he might
Speaker 3: need surgery in the offseason, and it was a miserably
Speaker 3: rainy day at the Meatlands. To send him out there
Speaker 3: was maybe an unnecessary risk, and they got burned.
Speaker 4: Daniel Jones missed this game obviously, and there were reports
Speaker 4: before the game that he could be out another couple
Speaker 4: of weeks. Tyrod Taylor had a rib injury and left
Speaker 4: for that. Tommy DeVito character came in, and then they
Speaker 4: also lost Darren Waller to an injury almost right away,
Speaker 4: I think, to a hamstring.
Speaker 6: So this is a team.
Speaker 4: If you're a Giants fan losing to the Jets in
Speaker 4: this manner, it's about as dark as it gets.
Speaker 6: You have to feel a little cursed of what happened.
Speaker 5: It's and it's it's unfortunate because I'm looking at a
Speaker 5: team that in their last couple of games has become
Speaker 5: a thunderstorm on defense. They've given up fourteen points to
Speaker 5: the Bills, seven to a Commander's team that challenge the
Speaker 5: Eagles today in thirteen today, and it's like that side
Speaker 5: of the ball, the Wink Martindale experience is awakening and
Speaker 5: the offense is vanishing before But.
Speaker 4: All so crazy because they would be They would be
Speaker 4: celebrating the hell out of a truly incredible team win
Speaker 4: if they got that yard or they got that field
Speaker 4: goal like it would have been. I don't know what
Speaker 4: the stained power of DeVito would be, but it would
Speaker 4: be a hell of a win to pull this off
Speaker 4: and to beat your crosstown rivals on a day you
Speaker 4: lose your you're on your third quarterback and you lose
Speaker 4: Waller in all five and then.
Speaker 3: It doesn't Happenings had to happen right in a row
Speaker 3: for the Jets to happen, and they had a game against.
Speaker 5: Cleveland last year where like twenty five things need to happen,
Speaker 5: like this.
Speaker 1: Is a magical team, Greg, So to all rules.
Speaker 4: Get frown, I think you're right, and that's why you
Speaker 4: did a nice job with good jock.
Speaker 6: The I mean, like fifty eight minutes. Ever do it again.
Speaker 6: I'm telling you that was not a good job.
Speaker 3: But yeah, don't do it. I just stressed to you.
Speaker 3: But we got to move on. But uh, can I
Speaker 3: just say, can you fly up that Saquon tweet?
Speaker 1: I saw?
Speaker 3: Uh, this is crazy Zach Rosenblad, who does a great
Speaker 3: job for the athletic cover of the Jets. Saquon Barkley's
Speaker 3: dad was wearing full on Jets gear as they walked
Speaker 3: out of the stadium together.
Speaker 1: Barkley grew up a Jets fan. What that's like if
Speaker 1: you were on the Giants? Though? What what? It's crazy?
Speaker 6: What are you doing?
Speaker 9: Why is he?
Speaker 6: I mean, you gotta switch this sun Just that's a
Speaker 6: day where you just stressed neutral.
Speaker 4: No, you you support your damn son. Maybe he maybe
Speaker 4: he didn't want to get harassed afterward.
Speaker 6: No, wait, that doesn't just stress neutral. It's a Giants
Speaker 6: one day.
Speaker 1: Or have the hat and take the hat and that.
Speaker 6: Is super wild some Jets fan.
Speaker 3: That's almost the craziest thing that came out of the game.
Speaker 3: Like when I saw that tweet, I was like, Okay.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's gotta be gotta be top one or two
Speaker 5: in a weird game?
Speaker 1: All right? What that again?
Speaker 3: Keith didn't even know what to say, and neither do
Speaker 3: I quite frankly, I tried my best. Let's move on, Mark,
Speaker 3: Let's let's head to Seattle where the Browns nearly had
Speaker 3: one and let it get away from the.
Speaker 6: Shotgun, lock and wide to the far side.
Speaker 16: Jsm He gets the thrown near side, turns out field,
Speaker 16: got a bucker touchdown, Serrey Hawks, no flags, DK metcup
Speaker 16: with a great block, Jackson Smith and Jimbo turns up
Speaker 16: field and takes it in the foot corner of the
Speaker 16: end zone.
Speaker 1: Want to drive by the Hawks.
Speaker 16: Thank you Julian Love for the pick, and Seattle goes
Speaker 16: back on top.
Speaker 6: Twenty three to twenty.
Speaker 3: Steve Rible with the call Seahawks radio Gino Smith through
Speaker 3: a nine yard touchdown past the Jackson Smith and Jigbo
Speaker 3: thirty eight seconds to play.
Speaker 1: Like signature moment there.
Speaker 3: In the rookie season of that wide receiver in the
Speaker 3: Seahawks rally for a twenty four to twenty win over
Speaker 3: the Browns. Same Seahawks team that blew a fourteen point
Speaker 3: lead in this game and then fell behind and then
Speaker 3: found a way mark the Gino coaster fully operational, once
Speaker 3: again saving its best thrills for.
Speaker 1: The end of the ride. What a strange game.
Speaker 5: I want to point to one moment where I think
Speaker 5: that Cleveland's coaching decisions fell apart, and I would say
Speaker 5: that Kevin Stefanski, if you look at the experience with
Speaker 5: Jacoby Brissett a year ago and what he's done with
Speaker 5: PJ Walker, who is a roller coaster himself, he's a
Speaker 5: pretty great like. I think we pointed to Sean Payton
Speaker 5: in New Orleans as someone that could coach up like
Speaker 5: a backup quarterback to do the best version of what
Speaker 5: he can do, and I'd say that the best version
Speaker 5: of PJ Walker is still going to be mistake ridden.
Speaker 5: They're lucky that in the end of the going into
Speaker 5: the two minute warning, they had a chance to win
Speaker 5: this game. This was a game where PJ Walker had
Speaker 5: an ugly strip sack Jordan Brooks on the Seahawks, a
Speaker 5: really rough interception. They were down seventeen to seven at
Speaker 5: one point, but they ran the ball well. PJ Walker
Speaker 5: also will turn around and make a couple throws a
Speaker 5: game where he looked like he a complete mind meld
Speaker 5: with the Maari Cooper who plays better than expected week
Speaker 5: after week. But that said, just outside the two minute warning.
Speaker 5: It was three and third and three from the Cleveland
Speaker 5: forty one, and I'm just asking you got seconds to
Speaker 5: go into the two minut warning and they throw the
Speaker 5: ball and it turns into PJ. Walker's killer interception. It's
Speaker 5: it kind of to happen in Seattle. It reminds me
Speaker 5: of these moments where it's like, if you're a Seahawks fan,
Speaker 5: you've always thought about, like, run the ball in this
Speaker 5: key situation in our franchise history versus throw it. They
Speaker 5: were running the ball really well. I don't know why
Speaker 5: you throw the ball there and cause that mistake. It's
Speaker 5: the one moment in this game where I thought everything
Speaker 5: could have been different. They could have snuck out of
Speaker 5: here with a win. They had a couple incredible performances today.
Speaker 6: I'm telling you right.
Speaker 5: Now, Miles Garrett week after week is doing insane stuff.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 5: I watched this and I it's a game that got
Speaker 5: away from because you got a Gino Smith performance that
Speaker 5: was riddled with issues. Outside of hell, he will make
Speaker 5: big throws, but he had a couple bad interceptions in
Speaker 5: Cleveland just seemed like a team that was like, we're
Speaker 5: gonna do this somehow, even though it shouldn't be happening
Speaker 5: with the quarterback that we have in this game, and
Speaker 5: it didn't.
Speaker 1: I think it boiled down to that decision that was.
Speaker 6: Just kind of like luck.
Speaker 4: It's like third and three and it's a tip pass
Speaker 4: right at the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 6: It wasn't like a bad throw. I don't I think
Speaker 6: keep the helmet of a blitzing right.
Speaker 5: I mean, I just say I'm more just saying, don't
Speaker 5: let what's the best higher percentage situation with the quarterback
Speaker 5: you're dealing with.
Speaker 4: That that's fair. And they ran the ball pretty well today.
Speaker 4: They've been up and down since Chubb left, more down
Speaker 4: than up, but today was decent. But they probably got
Speaker 4: caught in a situation where they they snap it with
Speaker 4: just over two minutes, so they're like, we're gonna get
Speaker 4: to the two anyway, the clock is gonna stop anyway.
Speaker 4: That's they're gonna be expecting a run. Let's throw it.
Speaker 4: But that might not be county on. That might not
Speaker 4: be leaning into the best part of your team. If
Speaker 4: you trust your offensive line and your running game like that,
Speaker 4: that is the spot for it. And and Gino's up
Speaker 4: and down, and he's even at the end where they
Speaker 4: threw the he threw the game winning touchdown, He put
Speaker 4: one in harm's way on first down. He keeps doing
Speaker 4: that in the red zone. He just always is going
Speaker 4: for it. And there were some major downs here. But
Speaker 4: they also put up seventeen points in the first quarter
Speaker 4: against the best defense in the league, So that's part
Speaker 4: of it too. It's like the whole game counts, and
Speaker 4: this I really tend to think this is a geno.
Speaker 4: It's like they can look incredible and then they can
Speaker 4: make a lot of mistakes. But it hasn't been easy
Speaker 4: to put quick points up on the Browns for the
Speaker 4: most part this year.
Speaker 6: The saying there was.
Speaker 5: A moment, there's I saw a lot of annoyed coaches today,
Speaker 5: and I think that Carrol had a point. There was
Speaker 5: a Pete Carroll was furious, and you don't know sometimes
Speaker 5: when you see them reacting, it's like somebody that happened
Speaker 5: like plays ago or a quarter ago. And we'll talk
Speaker 5: about Bill Belichick later, but there was a play where
Speaker 5: Miles Carroll was like, clearly just offside, and it's like,
Speaker 5: I think that's what.
Speaker 4: Care was on a Geno interception right before halftime, so
Speaker 4: they kind of gave away.
Speaker 5: I just I know it's not to rip on the
Speaker 5: officiating that gets tired, except that just seems like week
Speaker 5: to week they're these things. And Cleveland was attached to
Speaker 5: it last week and they're attached to it this week.
Speaker 1: Just wild stuff occurring.
Speaker 3: The Browns get the Cardinals next week and we'll we'll
Speaker 3: find out if Deshaun Watson will be the quarterback. You know,
Speaker 3: the PJ Walker thing is it has its limits.
Speaker 4: There was there was a report that he would be
Speaker 4: back within two weeks, so maybe not next week but
Speaker 4: the week after for Watson and the Seahawks with that
Speaker 4: forty nine ers loss are in first place here?
Speaker 1: How about that?
Speaker 3: I don't anybody was predicting that when the Niners were
Speaker 3: world beaters three weeks ago.
Speaker 1: All right, let's uh move Greg?
Speaker 6: What see You're just this is it's all so easy
Speaker 6: for you right now?
Speaker 4: Well's not easy. They just like fall into locks. This
Speaker 4: is what I was saying. It was like, I mean,
Speaker 4: not a day where the Jet's got Wes the West
Speaker 4: Zoo and Mark one let's calm down here about getting
Speaker 4: a lucky one.
Speaker 6: But this was a lucky one, that's for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I of course I got railroaded by the Bengals today,
Speaker 3: but that was against one of my tenants to just
Speaker 3: never go against Joe Burrow, and I will not make
Speaker 3: that mistake again. And I can't complain about anything after
Speaker 3: what happened at the middle ends today.
Speaker 1: No, let's move on and head to the desert where
Speaker 1: the Cardinals lose every week, and now they get the Ravens.
Speaker 6: Raven's coming up.
Speaker 14: On the tenth play of this drive, Jackson with the ball,
Speaker 14: pumps once slings it to.
Speaker 6: The end zone, touchdown.
Speaker 2: Mark Andrews a homecoming six for the Ravens tight end.
Speaker 1: Everybody talks about Kelsey, and rightfully so.
Speaker 15: But Mark Andrews is one of the best tight ends
Speaker 15: in the National Football League and he doesn't get enough love.
Speaker 1: Okay, it's a.
Speaker 4: Fair take, sure, I mean, but it's kind of like
Speaker 4: Tyler Lockett if every single person and says he's the
Speaker 4: most underrated wide receiver league, Like, at some point he's
Speaker 4: not under rated.
Speaker 6: They say that about Andrews all the time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he's taking to a home Ravens crowd.
Speaker 3: But like you counterpoint, he's properly rated, right, That's what
Speaker 3: I mean. Everyone knows he's a good player and a
Speaker 3: great red zone threat. He's just not at that top,
Speaker 3: top level, right, like we all know, Ravens Radio Network.
Speaker 3: It wasn't easy, it wasn't always pretty, but the Ravens
Speaker 3: took care of business on Sunday. Gus Edwards ran for
Speaker 3: two of his three touchdowns after I INT's by the
Speaker 3: Baltimore d and the Ravens hung on to beat the
Speaker 3: Cards thirty one twenty four.
Speaker 1: Baltimore now six and two, a little bit of.
Speaker 3: A cushion atop the AFC North greg only two hundred
Speaker 3: and sixty eight yards for the top seed turvy Baltimore offense.
Speaker 1: But that defense they came to play.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the defense is the difference I think with this team,
Speaker 4: because the offense was outstanding last week. But I think
Speaker 4: it counts a little too much on Lamar Jackson just
Speaker 4: making great plays. And this is a game where you
Speaker 4: watch it. These two teams, like if you didn't know
Speaker 4: it was the Ravens and the Cardinals, they looked like
Speaker 4: two pretty even teams. The difference being one had a
Speaker 4: quarterback in Josh Dobbs, who threw just a terrible interception
Speaker 4: right before halftime. It was seven to seven at that point,
Speaker 4: and it set up the Ravens for a short field
Speaker 4: and they got ahead fourteen seven, and then he threw
Speaker 4: another really just poor decision. The first one was just
Speaker 4: a bad throw. He was misfiring early, and the second
Speaker 4: one was a bad decision that set up the Ravens
Speaker 4: for a touchdown. They were up twenty four to seven.
Speaker 4: The final score is thirty one to twenty four the
Speaker 4: raven The Cardinals had seven points with seven minutes left
Speaker 4: in this game.
Speaker 6: I don't know how this happened. Well I do kind
Speaker 6: of know how I happened.
Speaker 4: They scored a lot late and Josh Dobbs was like
Speaker 4: making great plays late, and they did get an on
Speaker 4: side kick that put three more points up on the
Speaker 4: board at the at the very end.
Speaker 6: But that was it. Dobbs.
Speaker 4: You know, we've said it, it's it's a diminishing returns
Speaker 4: type of season for him. But we're gonna get one
Speaker 4: more week. I think that was the most newsworthy thing
Speaker 4: to come from this game. Was afterwards, Jonathan Gannon said,
Speaker 4: Josh Dobbs will be starting next week, which is a
Speaker 4: little bit of a surprise because Kyler Murray is practicing
Speaker 4: fully and the broadcast team that was covering this game
Speaker 4: said they had a feeling, and there's been some reporting
Speaker 4: that Kyler Murray would be starting this week, but I
Speaker 4: think it's mentally him getting comfortable and getting up to
Speaker 4: speed with this offense is the reason why they're probably
Speaker 4: gonna wait one more week.
Speaker 5: Well, and you're one and seven, so what are we
Speaker 5: rushing somewhere back into the lineup for.
Speaker 3: There's a deadline where he needs to be active on
Speaker 3: the fifty three, but that doesn't mean he needs to play,
Speaker 3: So they'll check that box and then make the right decision,
Speaker 3: hopefully right.
Speaker 4: And I felt like I was watching the end of
Speaker 4: the Dobbs era but didn't happen. He actually, I mean
Speaker 4: that fourth quarter he made a lot of pretty special plays.
Speaker 4: But before that, it was just like the Ravens coming
Speaker 4: off of high felt like they were just like, let's
Speaker 4: try to let's try to win with the guys that
Speaker 4: no one ever talks about.
Speaker 6: Michael Pierce.
Speaker 4: Jason Zumma, our friend sent us a tweet saying he
Speaker 4: looked like Pete, Vince Wolfrid.
Speaker 6: It's true.
Speaker 4: You don't see a nose tackle dominate a game like
Speaker 4: Michael Pierce did. And then Geno Stone. We're gonna have
Speaker 4: a Gino off next week, raven Seahawks. Geno Stone, their
Speaker 4: backup safety, leads the NFL and intercept how about that?
Speaker 3: How about this that his five picks through eight games
Speaker 3: tied with Hall of Famer Ed Reid for the most
Speaker 3: by a Ravens player in the first eight games of
Speaker 3: a season. Gino Stone, Ladies and gentlemen, Gino Coaster.
Speaker 6: It's crazy. And this passing attack.
Speaker 4: They have one good week and you think they've made
Speaker 4: some progress and then like man, anytime they throw to Beckham,
Speaker 4: it's a bit of a disaster.
Speaker 6: He had an injury, got hit hard in the in
Speaker 6: the mid section.
Speaker 4: Four targets, no catches, not on the right same page,
Speaker 4: like Bateman made one really good catch, but Zay Flowers
Speaker 4: had nineteen yards and seven targets. Just like, Okay, let's
Speaker 4: move it forward. Gus Edwards is a nice underrated back.
Speaker 4: Let's move forward. But like, I don't trust their passing attack.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that everyone you just mentioned because this
Speaker 5: version of Odell Beckham and Bateman and Flowers has been consistent.
Speaker 1: But it's like these guys are a week to week proposition.
Speaker 4: So we'll see. But they they could win in lots
Speaker 4: of ways. They can run the ball, they go in
Speaker 4: with defense.
Speaker 3: I saw a bubble up in a couple of places
Speaker 3: that this could be the Odell breakout catch, and then he.
Speaker 1: Has his first's that we're saying in London.
Speaker 3: It's as well they were saying it, and the people
Speaker 3: of England are very into Odell, so there was a
Speaker 3: lot of buzz around him being in town. But this
Speaker 3: is the first, the second time, it is one hundred
Speaker 3: and two game career that he did not have a catch.
Speaker 1: What do you get fifteen million dollars?
Speaker 5: Well, it's insane to think that. What did DeAndre Hopkins get.
Speaker 5: It's like, I don't considerably. We've paid the wrong person
Speaker 5: here and we be in Baltimore. That's on you.
Speaker 1: I did not pay a dime no.
Speaker 6: Cardinals. By the way, I would have the number one
Speaker 6: pick if the draft.
Speaker 1: Started, So maybe that's why I was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: take another week, Kyler, I take another one.
Speaker 3: Get mentally comfortable. Oh, here's a new video game system,
Speaker 3: here's the PS five. There's a new Grand Theft Auto
Speaker 3: coming out. Work your way around it. Yes, delight, we'll
Speaker 3: take the iPad. Here's Grand Theft Auto seven.
Speaker 1: Yep that I'm out of the contract learned.
Speaker 3: Liberty City, fall in love, Curiate, Luxuriate in the urban
Speaker 3: warfare of it all, serious organization. Otherwise, speaking of the
Speaker 3: voice of God, Jason Zumwelt when I lived with him,
Speaker 3: we lived together in Hollywood back in the day, in
Speaker 3: the late aughts, and Jason voiced one of the most
Speaker 3: prominent characters in Grand Theft Auto.
Speaker 1: He was the He was like the man, I can't
Speaker 1: believe I'm forgetting his name. He's going to kill me
Speaker 1: like a bad guy or a good No.
Speaker 3: He was like the protagonists like near do well buddy yeah,
Speaker 3: and Jason like moderate, like celebrity. Gained off that because
Speaker 3: his voice was that game was so tremendously popular that
Speaker 3: in the gaming circles people knew was connected.
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm not a huge fan, but that had
Speaker 4: to have been Roman Bellots, right, that Roman Bellot that's it?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I could.
Speaker 5: It's a multiple lest goose. I've seen tweet about that.
Speaker 5: You look that up. But also some well tweeting, you know,
Speaker 5: deeper scouting reports.
Speaker 1: You know, he's our Don Pardo on some level.
Speaker 5: We don't know if Don Pardo could have succeeded on
Speaker 5: any of those shows that he was on as their mcs.
Speaker 1: Some Walt just slips right in this way Cameo, which
Speaker 1: I understand is falling on hard times.
Speaker 3: But if Cameo existed in two thousand and eight, Jay
Speaker 3: could have just done Roman's voice and paid the rent
Speaker 3: for the house in perpetuity in Hollywood.
Speaker 5: Well that raises questions as to why he didn't do
Speaker 5: that financially dumb move who didn't exist? That's why if
Speaker 5: it could have created it?
Speaker 3: All right, let's move on to Nashville, where the Titans
Speaker 3: got a nice breath, like a burst of fresh air
Speaker 3: through the door.
Speaker 15: I second and eleven play Fake Levis rolling to the right,
Speaker 15: looking looking firing deep that field, going for Westbrook, Akin.
Speaker 8: Titan Will leviis, Oh to watch?
Speaker 11: Has he has just thrown his fourth touchdown pass of
Speaker 11: this NFL.
Speaker 6: Thank you get right out of the city. Dude has
Speaker 6: got an arm WHOA.
Speaker 3: What a big time from It was kind of a
Speaker 3: Herberty throw. Oh yeah, yeah, going one way, throwing across
Speaker 3: the hashes right on the money to Westbrook A cap.
Speaker 1: I mean, whoa? That was an eye opener.
Speaker 3: Mike Keith, great call, WGFX, Welcome to the Big Show.
Speaker 1: Will Levis, the rookie quarterback, made.
Speaker 3: A grand entrance to the NFL on Sunday, tossing four
Speaker 3: touchdown passes on a twenty eight twenty three win over
Speaker 3: the Falcons.
Speaker 1: Here's a nice nug.
Speaker 3: Levis joins fran Tarkenton and Marcus Mariota as the only
Speaker 3: other qbs in NFL history to throw four touchdown passes
Speaker 3: in their debut. Greggie uh, Levis Mania has arrived to
Speaker 3: save the Titan summer relevance.
Speaker 1: Am I right?
Speaker 6: I think you're right.
Speaker 4: I think this was one of the games today that
Speaker 4: made me look at a team differently. Certainly makes me
Speaker 4: look at Thursday Night Football differently.
Speaker 6: Well, Tuesday trade deadline, Gregor.
Speaker 4: Right, Maybe Ryan Tannehill, who looked close ish to playing
Speaker 4: this game, isn't gonna be taking this job back.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 6: I don't think he.
Speaker 4: I don't think they possibly get I mean they even
Speaker 4: started the game mixing in a little Malik Willis, and
Speaker 4: every time Willis came into poor crowd booed poor Malik Willis,
Speaker 4: not that he did anything.
Speaker 3: Which Levis addressed after the game, saying he was disappointed
Speaker 3: by the crowd, which is nice.
Speaker 5: I like that as the leadership first starting, he's already
Speaker 5: telling the crowd what to do.
Speaker 1: We throw four touchdowns, you get it.
Speaker 4: It was pretty rough because they bring in Willis into
Speaker 4: no fault of Willis. The first snap to Willis like
Speaker 4: goes over his head for a fumble and then so
Speaker 4: it was like everyone was very tough at it. But wow, Willis,
Speaker 4: I mean will Levis, who looked awful in the preseason,
Speaker 4: had some great schemed up deep throws, and he had
Speaker 4: some throws that weren't schemed up and he just threw
Speaker 4: it deep anyway. He put on that was Houston oiler throwbacks,
Speaker 4: very controversial, and he said, I'm gonna put the soul
Speaker 4: of warn Moon in my body, and it doesn't matter
Speaker 4: if the play calls for a seven yard throw, I'm
Speaker 4: throwing at sixty yards down the field.
Speaker 6: The best throw he.
Speaker 4: Had maybe the entire game, actually was broken up at
Speaker 4: the last second to Traylon Burks. Another deep one he
Speaker 4: had down that Perks couldn't get his hands on. He
Speaker 4: could have had six plays over thirty yards in this game.
Speaker 4: Three of these touchdowns Dan Yes, rank among the longest
Speaker 4: air yard touchdowns of the oh hell air yards touched
Speaker 4: out of the entire season, and he did it in
Speaker 4: his first game. I mean he throws those rain makers.
Speaker 4: He is like the Russell Wilson sexy deep ball. I mean,
Speaker 4: there is no business.
Speaker 3: Ryan Tannehill has had a great career and if he
Speaker 3: gets moved in a trade, we'll be on the airwaves
Speaker 3: talking about it.
Speaker 1: If you can trust they of that.
Speaker 3: But at this stage of his career, what he's giving
Speaker 3: them versus what the upside of just developing and letting
Speaker 3: Levis play it, just it makes too much sense that
Speaker 3: he's stays in the lineup. I mean, a guy that
Speaker 3: can turn DeAndre Hopkins into a star again catching three
Speaker 3: touchdown passes in this game, and yeah, this is a
Speaker 3: game that I can't wait to watch. From the Lewis side,
Speaker 3: From the Atlanta side of things, Desmond Ritter has been
Speaker 3: a problem for that team all season. There's been a
Speaker 3: lot of outside the building cries to get Taylor Heineke
Speaker 3: into the game and into the lineup to give them
Speaker 3: a little bit of consistency and a spark and it
Speaker 3: finally happens in this game, and he did put up
Speaker 3: twenty points in the second half as the quarterback. After
Speaker 3: the game, and Arthur Smith, who I've been getting on
Speaker 3: all year, I have not thought he's done a great
Speaker 3: job this year in a lot of ways, talked about
Speaker 3: the reason for Ritter coming out of the game, and
Speaker 3: it just led to more questions around a very confusing team.
Speaker 1: Every week, it's something new with this team.
Speaker 18: I mean, those are obvious questions you gotta ask, you know,
Speaker 18: we just finish this gamely. We had a lot of
Speaker 18: confidence and Dez. We didn't take him out for performance issues.
Speaker 18: But that's why Taylor's here to be able to come
Speaker 18: in as a backup and give us a shot to win.
Speaker 3: So you didn't take the quarterback out Ridder for performance issues?
Speaker 1: Then what did he greg? What did he come out for? Then? Like?
Speaker 1: Why why can't this guy just be straight with us?
Speaker 6: Now?
Speaker 1: Like why is he so cagy? Because it does not,
Speaker 1: it does not. It's not a good look.
Speaker 4: No, they tested him for a concussion and I could
Speaker 4: tell everyone who wasn't watching this game, which is you know,
Speaker 4: ninety five percent of America understandably is like, oh, well,
Speaker 4: let's see, like when when Ridder was cleared, like, let's
Speaker 4: see what happens. And no, they announced that he was cleared,
Speaker 4: but he must have taken the test going into halftime
Speaker 4: or at halftime, because he came out for the second
Speaker 4: half wearing a baseball hat and no backup quarterback has
Speaker 4: ever clapped more and high five his teammates and showed
Speaker 4: he's a good teammate and good lead leader and all
Speaker 4: that stuff more than Desmon Riddard in this game. So
Speaker 4: there was no consideration to bringing Ridder back in. Smith
Speaker 4: said that they were just being careful. I don't know,
Speaker 4: but they had tested him for a concussion. I never
Speaker 4: saw him get hit in the head anyways, but they
Speaker 4: did test him apparently for a.
Speaker 1: Concussion at five times in the first hand right.
Speaker 6: And so he's top five.
Speaker 4: The ultimate reason why he got benched was he was
Speaker 4: taking sacks he shouldn't take.
Speaker 6: He threw.
Speaker 4: He's top five in the league in interceptions, and he
Speaker 4: had another fumble in this game. So he's top five
Speaker 4: in the league in sacks, taking interceptions, in fumbles.
Speaker 5: I mean, his calling card was at least I won't
Speaker 5: make mistakes, like right up until a month ago. I mean,
Speaker 5: i'd say, like, does Taylor Heinekey with what you saw,
Speaker 5: compel Arthur Smith to maybe make a change.
Speaker 4: We got great, we got the good Heinekey. He played
Speaker 4: really well.
Speaker 3: You guys are talking as logical followers of the sport.
Speaker 3: I think Arthur Smith one of the problems with him
Speaker 3: is he's stubborn and hard headed and almost rejects any
Speaker 3: kind of hypothesis around his team.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so like this idea that you should.
Speaker 1: Put in Heineke.
Speaker 3: Now, yes, it makes sense, But he can't even say
Speaker 3: in the postgame presser that Richard didn't play well and
Speaker 3: how to be replaced as a result.
Speaker 1: So I don't know what's going to do.
Speaker 4: I don't either, And maybe he's trying to like leave
Speaker 4: himself an out of He's not sure in the moment
Speaker 4: what he's gonna do next week. They Heineke came in
Speaker 4: and it was at halftime fourteen to three Titans. Heinek
Speaker 4: came in and he didn't really do anything. It was
Speaker 4: all the running game on the first possession, but they
Speaker 4: scored their first five of six possessions if or four
Speaker 4: out of their first five possessions, including two touchdowns. So
Speaker 4: he put up twenty points in his first five possessions,
Speaker 4: and they would have come back and had a Heineke
Speaker 4: comeback victory if Levis didn't just keep answering by dropping bombs.
Speaker 4: And Levis did a nice jug He was getting to
Speaker 4: his second read, by the way, in a way that
Speaker 4: like Desmond Richard doesn't And so that was why early
Speaker 4: on I was like, Okay, there's one quarterback here who
Speaker 4: never gets to his second read, and then another who
Speaker 4: actually is in his first game.
Speaker 6: So Heinike I would go with him.
Speaker 3: If Arthur Smith does not start telling Heinekee next week
Speaker 3: against and it's good to be in the Falcons because
Speaker 3: your schedule is beautiful.
Speaker 1: They get the Vikings next week without a quarterback. He
Speaker 1: should have his head checked.
Speaker 3: Let's see, all right, let's take a break and then
Speaker 3: we'll finish the games.
Speaker 1: All right, we are back.
Speaker 3: Let's check in on the AFC East where the Dolphins
Speaker 3: hosted the Patriots.
Speaker 6: Touch the middle, touched down Miami. It's Wattle.
Speaker 1: He walked into the end zone.
Speaker 16: Don't motion, don't look it out at Tyreek Hill and
Speaker 16: come back to Wattle in the middle of the field
Speaker 16: wide open, broken coverage, nobody's around him.
Speaker 1: How's that for a third and short a cent? What
Speaker 1: is that song they played.
Speaker 3: In Miami Cowboys' Triving Me crazy?
Speaker 1: It like takes me out of the moment.
Speaker 6: It doesn't feel very like South Beach ish.
Speaker 3: I'm no fan of the man, but just like put
Speaker 3: on some Pitbull and call it a day.
Speaker 6: Something up beat fitting.
Speaker 1: What are we doing on this? Like hokey pokey?
Speaker 6: What's that?
Speaker 4: We go to the minority ownership here and go with
Speaker 4: a little turn the beat around, Gloria, let's got.
Speaker 1: A little Miami sound machine.
Speaker 5: Greggy's right, I assume they would play that during the
Speaker 5: game at something.
Speaker 1: Come on, baby, all right?
Speaker 4: Sorry for our younger listeners, Gloria asked if I was
Speaker 4: a recording artist.
Speaker 1: Twenty years younger, is this is what they're playing?
Speaker 5: What Miami?
Speaker 1: It's traditional?
Speaker 6: I mean it could use an update.
Speaker 4: It stops us in our tracks, just like just like,
Speaker 4: uh just ended.
Speaker 1: Our whole show. What a disgrace.
Speaker 6: And you know it.
Speaker 3: And the Dolbinsons are gonna get mad and be like, no,
Speaker 3: it's tradition. If the if the Jets had a something
Speaker 3: like that, you'd love it. No, I say change it
Speaker 3: might be true. Put on some Billy Joel or something.
Speaker 3: Let's try to get the show back on track, all right.
Speaker 3: The Dolphins do take care of business though, thirty one
Speaker 3: seventeen over the Patriots. So after they were stymied for
Speaker 3: the most part by Belichick and company the first matchup
Speaker 3: at Foxborough, the Dolphins take care of business to unbelievable again.
Speaker 3: He's six and zero against Belichick. He threw for three
Speaker 3: twenty four and three touchdowns in the game.
Speaker 4: Greg, I am not surprised by this, you know, as
Speaker 4: a company man, I'm glad that the Dolphins, you know,
Speaker 4: got to Germany with a win. You know, they've got
Speaker 4: a big company game here in Germany next week. Dolphins
Speaker 4: chiefs don't have to I mean, what do you want
Speaker 4: me to say?
Speaker 8: J C.
Speaker 4: Jackson returns to the Patriots to pretend that he has
Speaker 4: to try to, you know, guard Jalen Wattle and Tyreek
Speaker 4: Hill like you.
Speaker 6: Did earlier in the season.
Speaker 5: Well, and he had a tough penalty in the end zone.
Speaker 1: That is why you saw.
Speaker 5: I don't know if you watched this, but Bill Belichick
Speaker 5: was going absolute lead berserk for the concept that Belichick's
Speaker 5: like eased up and he's chilling, and he doesn't care
Speaker 5: about their record, Like I have not seen him where
Speaker 5: this worked up all year.
Speaker 1: I mean, he was going off, like was there a
Speaker 1: concept that Bill Belichick didn't care? Well, No, I don't.
Speaker 5: I don't think anyone would believe that, but just that
Speaker 5: he's maybe you know, as an older person, he's you know,
Speaker 5: a little less rough around the edges. He was going nuts.
Speaker 5: It wasn't it wasn't. It was a bad call. It
Speaker 5: led to a Dolphin's touchdown. But it's like the Patriots
Speaker 5: on offense was obviously just living on the edge. They
Speaker 5: were in this game, and it kind of looked a
Speaker 5: little bit like it could end up the way the
Speaker 5: first one did. There was a Dolphins interception and a
Speaker 5: Dolphin's fumble that allowed the Patriots to score ten points
Speaker 5: basically on short fields, and that's what allowed them to
Speaker 5: hang around. Then the injury started to happen. New England,
Speaker 5: who already had essentially in this game no one producing
Speaker 5: anything through the air, lost Kendrick Bourne to a knee
Speaker 5: injury that looked pretty bad. We'll see what happens there.
Speaker 5: Devonte Parker went out with a head injury, Juwan Bentley
Speaker 5: went out their linebacker.
Speaker 1: They just started to lose guys.
Speaker 5: And to your point saying that the Dolphins just took
Speaker 5: care of business, there's no way to stop what they
Speaker 5: have going through the air if you're starting to lose people.
Speaker 5: And Waddle went seven for one to twenty one with
Speaker 5: a touchdown, Tyreek Hill eight for one hundred and twelve.
Speaker 5: It was just so it kind of looked like the
Speaker 5: video game version of what we see from the Dolphins
Speaker 5: week after week. They're not running the ball the same
Speaker 5: way they were before, but there's this new element that
Speaker 5: I think Vic Fangio will be smiling about because Jalen
Speaker 5: Ramsey returned and had an incredible interception in return and
Speaker 5: like you know, I know he looked a little bit
Speaker 5: less like Jalen Ramsey with his final months with the Rams.
Speaker 5: I kind of wonder if it helps mcfonjo do what
Speaker 5: he wants to do a little bit with his stepense.
Speaker 5: He looked great today. He played every snap right, he
Speaker 5: played every snap well. He I just mean, they didn't
Speaker 5: have any cornerbacks and you're adding he.
Speaker 1: Wasn't a total difference maker in the end of his Ramsy.
Speaker 5: He wasn't but today he maybe it's maybe it's just
Speaker 5: fit or what's going on. But like the interception forced,
Speaker 5: a fumble played, every snap allowed zero yards and it's
Speaker 5: like this is this is nice for Miami.
Speaker 1: It's a nice development for a team that's right in
Speaker 1: the mix.
Speaker 11: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I'm saying that because I would pick cornerback as maybe
Speaker 4: the entire team's biggest weakness so far this season. So
Speaker 4: you're adding Jalen Ramsey right where you need it. And
Speaker 4: I think it's nice to see a big game from Wadaw.
Speaker 4: He's had a sneaky quiet year so far. Uh and uh,
Speaker 4: they're they're tough to deal with when both of them
Speaker 4: are cooking.
Speaker 1: Anything else in this one.
Speaker 5: No, I just see, like you know, with Christian Gonzalez,
Speaker 5: who was you know you had him last time. They're
Speaker 5: missing guys and it's like this team already just his
Speaker 5: talent poor And I don't see a way out for
Speaker 5: New England even where I think Miami played like a
Speaker 5: C plus version of who they can be.
Speaker 4: It's a come back to earth game for them too.
Speaker 4: And trade deadline. You know, josh U Jay has been
Speaker 4: mentioned as a as a guy who could get he's
Speaker 4: banged up right now. I mean they they are an
Speaker 4: incredibly injured team on top of being talent.
Speaker 3: For listen, I'm I'm not the biggest fan of flow Rider,
Speaker 3: but if you want to do like he's from Miami,
Speaker 3: fit the right round song? DJ Collins from Miami. Are
Speaker 3: you assuming that the Miami.
Speaker 1: Song they played during the entire It's not.
Speaker 3: The first time that I clocked that, because we've been
Speaker 3: covering a lot of touchdowns on the show from the Dolphins,
Speaker 3: because they've been remarkably productive.
Speaker 1: But it's they have. It's a problem.
Speaker 3: I mean, you have a Miami you Julio Iglesias and
Speaker 3: Enrique Iglesias, either Iglesias I would even take I will
Speaker 3: be your hero BABYOK.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's an insult to those artists. Grace pretty Ricky
Speaker 1: is from Miami. Don't even know who that.
Speaker 4: Is, Ricky Mark, No, he's not from me.
Speaker 6: All right, shout out, give give Dolphins a look. Everyone
Speaker 6: gets on them. They don't.
Speaker 4: They don't be the bad teams. You know what they
Speaker 4: don't do. They don't ever lose the games that they're
Speaker 4: supposed to win. They win them all, and they win
Speaker 4: them all convincingly. There's almost no teams in the NFL
Speaker 4: like that, and.
Speaker 3: They are in first place in the AFC East by
Speaker 3: a game on the Buffalo Bills.
Speaker 1: So everything is going to plan so far.
Speaker 3: Let's head to Lucas Oil Stadium where the Cults are
Speaker 3: looking to take out the Saints.
Speaker 15: Same alignment, Taysom at quarterback, there's Colin Saunders. Taysom keeps
Speaker 15: it Chasom Hill takes it in for the touchdown, his
Speaker 15: second score. Following Colin Sanders seizur ruies and the Saints
Speaker 15: get a huge one yard touchdown.
Speaker 6: Up fourteen.
Speaker 1: Looking at fifteen.
Speaker 6: Saints Radio with the call.
Speaker 1: Taysom Hill.
Speaker 3: You know every season he pops up here and there
Speaker 3: and is like, oh, here's a big game for Jason Hill.
Speaker 3: You rush for sixty three yards, two touchdowns.
Speaker 6: He just involved.
Speaker 3: He had a fourteen yard catching this game. Derek Carr
Speaker 3: threw for two touchdowns and over three hundred yards again,
Speaker 3: and hey, look at this.
Speaker 1: The Saints, a team that we try to figure.
Speaker 3: Out around these parts, win again thirty eight to twenty seven.
Speaker 1: So you know, they very nearly took.
Speaker 3: One in prime time, a painful loss on an end
Speaker 3: zone drop late in that game. They bounce back and
Speaker 3: put up thirty eight points against the Colts and they're
Speaker 3: back to five hundred and win a bowl Division.
Speaker 4: I went and looked through the numbers. This was the
Speaker 4: best offensive performance of the Dennis Allen era. This was
Speaker 4: the first time we were like, oh, yeah, they do
Speaker 4: have all these talented players, and it doesn't start with
Speaker 4: Taysom Hill. But I gotta say, watching Taysom Hill this year,
Speaker 4: he's thirty three years old, sneaky old. I think he's
Speaker 4: better than ever. And this is the first time in
Speaker 4: my life, at least I know our great friend Chris
Speaker 4: Wesley would always be asking for more Taysom but all
Speaker 4: season I've been saying I need some more Taysom Hill.
Speaker 4: He's one of the best players on this team. And
Speaker 4: you mentioned you had sixty three yards on the ground
Speaker 4: that included a twenty yard touchdown run that was like
Speaker 4: a beautiful run as good a power run with explosion
Speaker 4: and running through the tacklers any running back had all day.
Speaker 4: It was also the first twenty yard run any Sames
Speaker 4: running back has had all year, So that goes to say,
Speaker 4: you know what they've been explosiveness wise, He's had nice
Speaker 4: receiving days the last couple of weeks. He had fifty
Speaker 4: receiving yards last week, forty nine week before. And then
Speaker 4: you put him at quarterback and he had one throw
Speaker 4: or two throws and one of them is a forty
Speaker 4: four yard throw to Rashid Shahed the other guy want
Speaker 4: to point out of that guy who had three catches today.
Speaker 4: One was where he took a potential Taysom Hill interception
Speaker 4: and yanked it away from the defender for forty four
Speaker 4: Another one was for fifty eight yards, and then another
Speaker 4: was to seal the game, a fifty one yarder at
Speaker 4: the very end when they're trying to run clock and
Speaker 4: they don't get conservative and car puts up a beauty
Speaker 4: and he goes out of bound with a fifty one.
Speaker 4: That is three catches for what one fifty three? That
Speaker 4: is Randy Moss.
Speaker 3: Im going to say that's Randy Boss against the Cowboys
Speaker 3: on Thanksgiving or whatever it was.
Speaker 6: It is actually beautiful.
Speaker 4: And Shaheed after he makes that play to end it
Speaker 4: does this Steph Curry like night Night, I'm putting the
Speaker 4: Colts to sleep.
Speaker 6: I loved it. What a performance by the scene.
Speaker 5: It's pretty incredible, Like Taysom Hill, after today's performance, is
Speaker 5: one of two players in NFL history with twenty five
Speaker 5: plus rushing touchdowns, ten plus passing, and ten plus receiving.
Speaker 5: The only other player is a guy that just wouldn't
Speaker 5: exist this way.
Speaker 1: It was Frank Gifford.
Speaker 5: Like it kind of makes me wonder why there aren't
Speaker 5: at least like four or five dudes like this in
Speaker 5: the league.
Speaker 1: But he's really the only one that.
Speaker 6: They couldn't play quarterback well enough.
Speaker 5: But that is sane, But like, these are the best
Speaker 5: athletes on the planet, Like Taysom Hill remains this complete
Speaker 5: in isolated fascination and he's still doing it.
Speaker 4: And he's actually adding things to his game because he's
Speaker 4: been like a legit tight end at times this year.
Speaker 4: Juwan Johnson was out for a few weeks and he
Speaker 4: was taking legit tight ends naps and doing pretty well.
Speaker 6: That Johnson came back in today to help.
Speaker 4: But I was really if you're a Saints fan, you
Speaker 4: were really encouraged because Kamara had his best game I
Speaker 4: thought of this season. You were asking for some explosive
Speaker 4: mind for him. He gets two touchdowns, runs over a
Speaker 4: guy on a nice angle out. They were a little
Speaker 4: more creative. He had four catches for fifty one yards
Speaker 4: through the air. That was, you know, was much different.
Speaker 4: Carr had a nice solid game, three hundred and ten yards,
Speaker 4: so I.
Speaker 1: Was wondering if he would come up. I know, it's
Speaker 1: like we've mentioned about twelve people, not Derek Car.
Speaker 6: Yet Derek Carr played a really good game.
Speaker 3: I mean, this is they said they had five hundred
Speaker 3: and eleven total yards. This is this is the peak
Speaker 3: of what they imagine this offense to be.
Speaker 1: And yeah, you're right about Hill.
Speaker 3: They're gonna, if they're smart, they're gonna keep him involved
Speaker 3: because they're better with him.
Speaker 4: And on some really big play plays in the game,
Speaker 4: especially early, they it was Car and Michael Thomas completing
Speaker 4: some difficult throw. So about the Colts, I give them credit,
Speaker 4: I don't give the crowd credit. Mark Sanchez pointed this out.
Speaker 4: A lot of the crowd started leaving at thirty five
Speaker 4: to twenty seven. Look, that's a one score game and
Speaker 4: they had just punted the ball away, but there was
Speaker 4: only like five minutes.
Speaker 1: Left to traf.
Speaker 6: That's a bad job.
Speaker 1: Quarter bro.
Speaker 4: Minshew is up and down every game. Two hundred and
Speaker 4: thirteen yards on forty one attempts. There were some like
Speaker 4: great Minshew plays, and there were some you know, total
Speaker 4: headstrack scratchers, and a huge interception at the end in
Speaker 4: the fourth quarter.
Speaker 3: Believe that helped seal it. For the same Why Isida
Speaker 3: Tiller still not getting a full workload at this point?
Speaker 3: Twelve for ninety five, Greg, it.
Speaker 6: Is so missed. He had seven for eighty two in
Speaker 6: the first quarter.
Speaker 4: Come on, what did he get hurt on? They just
Speaker 4: kept going three and half smart. It was a very streaky,
Speaker 4: strange game. It was pretty entertaining, actually, but he looked fantastic.
Speaker 4: And then Zach Moss started running so well and he's
Speaker 4: so good on the goal line that they were using
Speaker 4: him in that spot. But it was strange. They just
Speaker 4: didn't have the ball very much. I don't know, I
Speaker 4: don't know. I do like havin Jonathan Taylor back in.
Speaker 1: My life, though. One more game.
Speaker 3: Let's go to Charlotte where the Panthers they were looking
Speaker 3: for that first win, but they finally get it. Pinero,
Speaker 3: this is as I said he had a feeling on
Speaker 3: a Thursday show.
Speaker 9: I had to get twenty three yards for the Panthers
Speaker 9: first win of the season from the right half Hippy,
Speaker 9: Let's do it again, Jansen snap hackers hole Pinero's kick
Speaker 9: the Panthers win the first win of the Frank right
Speaker 9: Jara Bryce Youngs first win.
Speaker 1: How's the Panthers her back?
Speaker 9: Fifteen to thirteen, Carolina over Houston your final booth.
Speaker 3: I have not said this name because the Panthers had
Speaker 3: not one. A Niche schroph with the call w rf
Speaker 3: X Pinero. Yes, he jumped on the back of his teammate.
Speaker 3: Was like he was riding a little a pony or
Speaker 3: a little pony through the open prairie land. He kicks
Speaker 3: the twenty three yarder that lifts the Panthers to a
Speaker 3: fifteen thirteen win over the Texans. Tough loss, obviously for
Speaker 3: the Texans, a team that there's been a lot of
Speaker 3: excitement around getting their act together, while you don't lose
Speaker 3: to a winless team and expect us to take Yes, seriously,
Speaker 3: what happened?
Speaker 1: Sestog I thought.
Speaker 5: Both teams put forth arguably their best defensive performances of
Speaker 5: the year. Neither team crossed two hundred and thirty yards
Speaker 5: and it looked like it that said, I I guess
Speaker 5: like the focus is like it's you know, Bryce Young
Speaker 5: versus c J.
Speaker 1: Stroud, Wow, and Bryce Young.
Speaker 5: You know, I think Greg you mentioned it on the
Speaker 5: on the preview show that in the last couple of
Speaker 5: games there's been these moments and that's not like we're
Speaker 5: looking for one play out of the whole thing.
Speaker 6: Today.
Speaker 5: I thought there were there were legitimate signs that Bryce
Speaker 5: Young I think has a toughness that's underrated.
Speaker 1: He took a lot of punishment in this game.
Speaker 5: The Texans, who have been came in the league with
Speaker 5: I think the ninth fewest sacks, sacked him five times.
Speaker 1: Will Anderson is a star. They've got some players on
Speaker 1: that defense.
Speaker 5: They're well coached, and like every time Bryce Young took punishment,
Speaker 5: he just kept up, get up and just got up
Speaker 5: and kind of there was a goal line stand where
Speaker 5: like they the Panthers were stopped. But then on the
Speaker 5: next drive, Bryce Young goes down the field and leads
Speaker 5: him to a touchdown.
Speaker 1: Game.
Speaker 5: So there's a lot of things happen, Like Bryce Young
Speaker 5: is starting to show you things there was and I know,
Speaker 5: you know Adam Thielen, everyone wrote him off. He's been
Speaker 5: really good on this team, and like he had he
Speaker 5: caught a thirty one yard pass from Bryce Young and
Speaker 5: was this incredible shot that showed you his you know,
Speaker 5: his accuracy as strength. There was a play where Bryce
Speaker 5: shung hit DJ Shark where he's kind of hung around
Speaker 5: in the pocket, stepped up, saw the field. Chark wasn't
Speaker 5: his first target, I don't think, and he made it
Speaker 5: with good vision, hit him and it's like you're just
Speaker 5: seeing the win aside, there was progress and I thought
Speaker 5: that the Panthers defense. Frankie Louvo I feel like as
Speaker 5: a guy just shows up every week.
Speaker 1: And like he had a monster game. His mom came
Speaker 1: in from.
Speaker 5: Like overseas to see him for the first time ever
Speaker 5: in the NFL.
Speaker 1: And Frankie Louvin, guy Mark what do you mean me?
Speaker 1: Another guy?
Speaker 5: Dante Jackson, Ryan Burns, Derek Brown, like they they turned
Speaker 5: the Texans offense into a situation where John McClain, their
Speaker 5: longtime beat writer, was going nuts about the offensive play
Speaker 5: calling the whole thing. He was, Yeah, I love when
Speaker 5: he gets frustrated, and he had to. He had a
Speaker 5: reason to be today.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 5: It was a step back for the Texans offense to
Speaker 5: some degree, but I think both teams, like you kind
Speaker 5: of got the best version of their defenses, and I've
Speaker 5: come out a little more encouraged about what the Panthers
Speaker 5: might be building on offense.
Speaker 4: Sneaky big moment for their organization. They are they are
Speaker 4: very much aware of the Stroud Bryce Young thing. And
Speaker 4: to get the win in this game, I think that's big.
Speaker 4: And for him to outplay Stroud. Stroud's had his too
Speaker 4: least efficient games in a row. It's gonna happen rookie quarterbacks.
Speaker 4: It's not all gonna be great. But he struggled a
Speaker 4: little bit in that game right before the bye and
Speaker 4: then and coming out of it as well. It's a
Speaker 4: different offensive coordinator, different play caller for Bryce Young, and
Speaker 4: so the running game didn't do anything. But I think
Speaker 4: that's you gotta be pretty encouraged. You get a new
Speaker 4: play caller and you suddenly throw for over seven yards percent.
Speaker 4: Good job, Good job by the It's always a nice
Speaker 4: moment when the last team without a win, yeah, gets
Speaker 4: a win. The celebration is always a little extra. It's
Speaker 4: Cleo Lemon to Greg camer Real. I mean, the celebration
Speaker 4: is bigger the later in the season you go.
Speaker 3: I'm just happy for Frank Reich, though, I mean, it's
Speaker 3: been it's been tough watching old Frank age like a
Speaker 3: two term president. These press conferences all year have been difficult,
Speaker 3: so you had to you has to feel great to
Speaker 3: finally get off the schneid. And sure enough, a nice
Speaker 3: scene in the the Panthers locker room, you know, right
Speaker 3: before the bye he handed over play calling duties to
Speaker 3: oh see Thomas Brown and uh, I will play the clip.
Speaker 1: Thank you to the Panthers Twitter handle. This one means
Speaker 1: they all mean a lot. This one means a lot
Speaker 1: to me.
Speaker 6: Whoa, whoa.
Speaker 11: We knew he was gonna be a beast when he
Speaker 11: got here, and when the game was on the line,
Speaker 11: he called the perfect series, right Thomas Brown?
Speaker 3: Really nice and and you see the emotion there in
Speaker 3: Frank Reich's eyes and he he made it clear guys
Speaker 3: that that even though we had speculated it and no
Speaker 3: one knows maybe the true story, but Reike said it
Speaker 3: was one hundred percent his decision. He'd always planned to
Speaker 3: give round the play calling duties. And he said that
Speaker 3: he called it, you know, a perfect final series there
Speaker 3: to help clinch the win.
Speaker 6: Very cool and uh, you know, bad news there for
Speaker 6: Bears fans. That kind of day.
Speaker 1: Yes, good call and look at and I was.
Speaker 5: I spent the last month being really tough on Frank Reich,
Speaker 5: who is probably historically one of the most heroic backup
Speaker 5: quarterbacks of all time, and did things that I saw
Speaker 5: visually that changed my life as a football fan. So
Speaker 5: another huge win for my uh, predictive abilities and everything else.
Speaker 1: Like I did it. It's like he's it's hard why
Speaker 1: it's like the easiest guy to root for, and that's
Speaker 1: the guy. I'm like, that's the guy cross their target
Speaker 1: on his back. Yeah, but you know what, how about
Speaker 1: maybe I refocus. Don't beat yourself up, buddy.
Speaker 3: It has been a tough thing for the Panthers, but
Speaker 3: they have a positive Sunday. I can't say the same
Speaker 3: for those Chicago Gobert's Greg Rosenthal.
Speaker 1: Let's head to Sunday night football.
Speaker 12: Pisco formation now with Eckler behind Herbert rolling.
Speaker 3: To his right, sets his feet, there's the screen to
Speaker 3: Eckler makes the first man miss and there's Eckler.
Speaker 2: What's sideline to the twenty fifteen ten flowers the shoulder,
Speaker 2: the touchdown shushers Bostin Eckler thirty nine yards.
Speaker 6: Ten historic touchdown for Eckler.
Speaker 3: A historic touchdown for Eckler. Matt money Smith, our buddy,
Speaker 3: the original voice of God for around the NFL with
Speaker 3: the call for Charges Radio.
Speaker 1: It's historic.
Speaker 3: Thank you Eric Roberts with the que because that's four
Speaker 3: hundred career receptions, thirty touchdown receptions and forty tds for
Speaker 3: Eckler since the beginning of twenty twenty one to one
Speaker 3: of the premier producers at the running back position in
Speaker 3: this decade. And that just got the ball rolling for
Speaker 3: the Chargers, who marched down the field for their first
Speaker 3: points of the game and then roll to a thirty
Speaker 3: to thirteen win over the woebegone Chicago Bears. The Tyson
Speaker 3: page in story hits a little bump in the road.
Speaker 3: That bump Mark Cesla is reality reality bites.
Speaker 5: I mean, isn't this the like the Chargers game we've
Speaker 5: waited for? They refuse to give it to us, you know,
Speaker 5: for weeks and months in a row. But tonight their
Speaker 5: drive chart opens with touchdown, touchdown, field goal, touchdown, field goal. Oh,
Speaker 5: a little punt just to get that in the mix,
Speaker 5: and then field goal. It's like and then they you know,
Speaker 5: then the game is over. At that point it's like,
Speaker 5: let's be real that we were in the like the
Speaker 5: rare situation where the Chargers game is happening about forty
Speaker 5: feet from our office, so that's why we circled home
Speaker 5: to record this here where we do and like the
Speaker 5: game was well well in hand by the time we
Speaker 5: were driving home, and I spent thirty to forty minutes
Speaker 5: seen to Matt Murney, Smith and Daniel Jeremiah and like,
Speaker 5: I know, we like to take one of them and
Speaker 5: actors if they don't exist, But they did a wonderful job.
Speaker 1: It's like they actually got to.
Speaker 5: Call a game that didn't come down to the final
Speaker 5: two seconds and have something go so totally insane and crazy,
Speaker 5: and we're not talking about Brandon Stealey's job security for once,
Speaker 5: and they handled their business and they looked like the
Speaker 5: sum of their parts and they played a lesser team
Speaker 5: and looked like it.
Speaker 1: And that's all I kind of have been asking for.
Speaker 5: From the Chargers from the start of the season, and
Speaker 5: tonight they did it. And that's enough that that's all
Speaker 5: I that's all I need, and they did it tonight.
Speaker 6: It's all Mark Neids, It's all Mark needs in the world.
Speaker 6: The big time Chargers win.
Speaker 1: Greg, Greg, have you noticed that?
Speaker 3: Like, yes, we did head back to our respective homes
Speaker 3: to finish the pod. It's like a totally different Sessler now.
Speaker 3: He's even talking differently. He's a softer tone, he's more introspective.
Speaker 1: Uh, there is. I'm happy to have different sets about him.
Speaker 1: It's happy.
Speaker 6: It's a totally new mark. It's a new generation.
Speaker 4: I mean that this Chargers victory has totally changed his insides.
Speaker 4: In his heart, he's just so excited. I look, it's
Speaker 4: nice you get to three and four. That's what we
Speaker 4: asked for if they had lost this game.
Speaker 6: You're right.
Speaker 4: Brandon Staley shaves what a friend of mine referred to
Speaker 4: as Staley's podcast beard.
Speaker 6: He shaved it. He said he wanted to reset, so
Speaker 6: he's going clean shaven.
Speaker 4: So good job by him. I do like seeing Joey Bosa.
Speaker 4: Look the very first drive of the game, he steps
Speaker 4: up with a huge sack to end the drive. He
Speaker 4: had a big fourth down stop later in the game.
Speaker 4: Like I've been wanting their big players to make play.
Speaker 4: Derwin James was good in coverage, had an interception tonight.
Speaker 4: Herbert starts eleven for eleven for one point. Twenty like
Speaker 4: Quintin Johnston, the number one pick who's been struggling, all
Speaker 4: made plays like it was a feel good night. So
Speaker 4: it's great you move ahead, you get to three and four.
Speaker 4: Other teams haven't been blasting the bear, so it's nice
Speaker 4: that they did. All the players that they need to
Speaker 4: step up stepped up. Yeah, and Justin Herbert is.
Speaker 3: He took a wicked shot late in this game, which
Speaker 3: you don't like to see, and it was a wicked shot,
Speaker 3: you know, in the ribs area, And Collinsworth pointed out,
Speaker 3: you know, this is a guy who's had a season
Speaker 3: significantly impacted last year by a rib injury from a
Speaker 3: tough hit against the Chiefs in primetime if you remember that.
Speaker 3: But up until that point, the Chargers did excellent work
Speaker 3: protecting him. He did not take any sacks in the game.
Speaker 3: He had time to throw, and you saw what happens
Speaker 3: when Herbert gets that protection.
Speaker 1: He got everybody involved.
Speaker 3: He completed thirty one to forty passes, nearly three hundred yards,
Speaker 3: three touchdowns, no interceptions. So on a day mark where
Speaker 3: the Chargers rushing game did nothing, managing a pathetic fifty
Speaker 3: four yards on twenty five carries, when you have a
Speaker 3: quarterback like Herbert, that's okay if he can make it
Speaker 3: hum in other ways and against I guess I'll say Mark, like, yes,
Speaker 3: this is definitely progress for the Chargers, who are al
Speaker 3: urgic to putting away teams. But if you could have
Speaker 3: put away this Bears team starting Tyson Bageent in your
Speaker 3: building on Sunday night, you just shut down the season.
Speaker 3: So there are more tests to come for this team.
Speaker 3: But at least they got back in the win calm
Speaker 3: and can feel good about themselves.
Speaker 5: Well yeah, I mean I think, like you know, coming
Speaker 5: into this week, we were openly talking about the fact
Speaker 5: that perhaps the head coach is you know, on the
Speaker 5: hot seat if they didn't win this game, and so
Speaker 5: you take care of it in like non typical Chargers fashion.
Speaker 5: You've got the Jets next week in New York. That defense,
Speaker 5: I think the same thing applies. It's a Monday night game,
Speaker 5: it's two weeks in a row where you're on an
Speaker 5: island game where like we're assessing the Brandon Staley experience,
Speaker 5: we're assessing what Justin Herbert is in this offense.
Speaker 1: Like he's not the problem, he's the solution.
Speaker 5: But you know, I I to me, I don't have
Speaker 5: a whole lot of faith in the Chargers experience in general,
Speaker 5: but I do think, like you got to go handle
Speaker 5: the team you should be. We talked about that with
Speaker 5: the Dolphins earlier in this recap. Go be like that team.
Speaker 5: At least this was a step in that direction, Like
Speaker 5: you've got all these parts, Like their roster is better
Speaker 5: than eighty percent of the league, and they don't play
Speaker 5: that way, and that's why they're so frustrating. So tonight
Speaker 5: the experience was different, and like, I just need fresh experiences.
Speaker 1: That's why I'm enthused by the whole experience.
Speaker 14: Greg.
Speaker 4: It is, it is, it is tangible, and like we
Speaker 4: could have come out of this game enthused about Tyson
Speaker 4: Badge and instead, look, he hit a big throw on
Speaker 4: his very first throw of the game and they barely
Speaker 4: tried another deep throw the whole rest of the game.
Speaker 4: Veayalis Jones was kind of a disastrous draft pick for them,
Speaker 4: you know, messed up what should have been a touchdown.
Speaker 4: But they wouldn't have competed in this game anyways, and
Speaker 4: it's kind of good to put away though, Like, well,
Speaker 4: Justin Fields could have learned a thing or two by,
Speaker 4: you know, seeing what Beijan did last week. It's a
Speaker 4: little more of a back to reality game, kind of
Speaker 4: like the Patriots earlier today.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Bears is an organization need to you know,
Speaker 3: keep keep their eye on the ball here and not
Speaker 3: get distracted by shiny things like a Tyson page. And
Speaker 3: it's still about developing justin fields and seeing if he
Speaker 3: is the guy you want to get behind beyond the season.
Speaker 3: And there's still time to do that. But they are
Speaker 3: out of the mix in all other ways. Any other
Speaker 3: thoughts on this game. Guy's kind of a quiet Sunday
Speaker 3: night football game. Not a lot of drama or intrigue
Speaker 3: to be frank.
Speaker 6: No, I'm waiting to hear what Mark has next.
Speaker 3: Well, I have something before we get to Mark, and
Speaker 3: Mark has got something that we're all excited to hear.
Speaker 3: But you know, I mentioned, I mentioned the old man
Speaker 3: was too stunned to even have comments about the Jets
Speaker 3: win over the Giants. On my way home, I got
Speaker 3: a text that he changed his mind. Hit it Roberts.
Speaker 17: His name is Keith. He no doubt about it. He's
Speaker 17: a big Jets man. Willity go to say bullmapping game
Speaker 17: to stick. Will you go to s Bullmappen.
Speaker 8: Game to say, here's my review of today's Jet game.
Speaker 8: That ending probably was one of the most exciting endings
Speaker 8: that I've ever seen with the Jets, to have the
Speaker 8: clock stop with one second, and then the Jets hitting
Speaker 8: a tying field goal and then getting into overtime and
Speaker 8: then winning the game with another field goal. The fact
Speaker 8: that they played so poorly didn't seem to bother me
Speaker 8: so much thinking about it later, but the fact that
Speaker 8: they won and they beat the Giants with something that
Speaker 8: I'll always think of as one of the games that
Speaker 8: will be in Jet history. It's just a tough game,
Speaker 8: but not the best game, but a great thanks.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Papa.
Speaker 3: And I have to say, like I sometimes get tagged
Speaker 3: as being a Giant's apologist in some ways on the show,
Speaker 3: and it is true that moving west has softened my
Speaker 3: feelings about the Giants because I have some like connections
Speaker 3: to them, as you know, a connection to my old
Speaker 3: life back in New York. But Keith Hansas has no
Speaker 3: such you know, conflicts of the mind. He hates the Giants,
Speaker 3: has always hated the Giants. Grew up in the Bronx,
Speaker 3: which is Giants country. They used to play in Yankee
Speaker 3: Stadium and he had no time for that team. Ever,
Speaker 3: So anytime the Jets can embarrassed the Giants or put
Speaker 3: a historic loss on them in terms of one that
Speaker 3: will never be forgotten. I know my dad, even though
Speaker 3: he sounds a little bit stunned, still, that's what he
Speaker 3: likes the most that he took out the g Men.
Speaker 1: It matters.
Speaker 5: I mean, this is a franchise and we all know
Speaker 5: this spent you know, decades playing in Giant Stadium. That's
Speaker 5: that's absurd, that's emasculating, Like that doesn't work, and like
Speaker 5: that would never they would that would never play today.
Speaker 5: And your dad is I'm glad he spoke about this
Speaker 5: because he's now on this magic carpet ride that I've
Speaker 5: told you is going to just take them to magical
Speaker 5: places and he's he's getting there.
Speaker 3: I love that, Mark, And why not? Why don't we
Speaker 3: keep it in the family to wrap up the show?
Speaker 3: Mark take it away?
Speaker 1: Yes, So, like, uh, you know, I have two children.
Speaker 5: One is Colton, who is younger than my older son Luke,
Speaker 5: who turned thirteen today, and like I'm kind of freaking
Speaker 5: out about the fact that I have a thirteen year old.
Speaker 5: I will note that I mentioned, I think even you
Speaker 5: know on the show earlier that my PTO was very brief.
Speaker 5: But the week after Luke was born, which is today,
Speaker 5: was the actual game that I've mentioned a thousand times
Speaker 5: where Brian Dabole, the OC of the Browns, coached Peyton
Speaker 5: Hillis and Colt McCoy to that incredible win over the Patriots.
Speaker 5: It happened literally, was like the next game after my
Speaker 5: son Luke was born. You see him right here, and
Speaker 5: like if you're watching the YouTube copy and I don't know,
Speaker 5: I just I'm I think as parents, we don't know
Speaker 5: what to say sometimes about how proud we are about
Speaker 5: our children, and like, uh, he's an incredibly resilient and
Speaker 5: creative and loving person. Like he's like he's been through
Speaker 5: a lot in his life, you know, and he's just
Speaker 5: like this person that always every day. I think sometimes
Speaker 5: you can see other people in your family if you
Speaker 5: have a child, and I see my grandmother from my
Speaker 5: dad's side, who every morning she woke up and would
Speaker 5: sing and would it was a new day, no matter
Speaker 5: what happened the day before, And that is how I
Speaker 5: think of Luke, And like, uh, I don't have that power,
Speaker 5: so I don't know where it came from.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 5: It's like I watch my son Calton play soccer and
Speaker 5: he goes and scores three goals. Like the only goal
Speaker 5: I ever scored in soccer was on my own team.
Speaker 5: Oh it went off the back of my foot and
Speaker 5: into our you know, my own goal. So it's like
Speaker 5: you learn to like see things differently, and it's like
Speaker 5: I'm I'm wondering where these people come from sometimes as
Speaker 5: a parent, but I see little things in Luke that
Speaker 5: make me so proud of him every day. So he's thirteen,
Speaker 5: not an easy age to be, but I have full
Speaker 5: trust that he'll just use his internal skills and who
Speaker 5: he is to become what it becomes next.
Speaker 1: So Happy Birthday. And I think this is a.
Speaker 5: Special show because it wouldn't if we're on ESPN, Like, well,
Speaker 5: you can't talk about this, but like on our show
Speaker 5: you can. So like I'm thankful for that, and like
Speaker 5: I wish him well, I don't even know if I'll.
Speaker 6: Watch this, but if he does, well, you gotta tell him.
Speaker 6: You got to tell him. Tune into the end of
Speaker 6: the show.
Speaker 4: Happy Birthday, Luke, You're the best and my birthday president
Speaker 4: is you know, I'll give a plug. You gotta follow Luke.
Speaker 4: He's the best plane spotterer around. What's his Instagram?
Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, Lax plane spotting.
Speaker 6: I love it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he is like a become a great photographer and videoographer.
Speaker 1: Of like a a niche, you know niche.
Speaker 5: Like we live near RelA, like Lax, like Dan the closest,
Speaker 5: but we drive over there too, and it's like these
Speaker 5: plans are landing and he's got this content. He's super
Speaker 5: into it and like he just I I remember someone
Speaker 5: not unlike him that was like super obsessive at age
Speaker 5: thirteen about things. Maybe that is where the link is
Speaker 5: and I I know we'll do something with it. And
Speaker 5: I love it.
Speaker 1: I love to see it.
Speaker 3: That's pretty crazy that you you just turned fifty, Mark
Speaker 3: and now you got a thirteen year old son. And
Speaker 3: that is he is a great boy. And I remember
Speaker 3: him as an infant when we first met. Yes, and
Speaker 3: now here he is in yes, the very interesting uh
Speaker 3: sometimes dicey, but also at times exhilarating early teens for
Speaker 3: a young boy. Uh So, best of luck to Luke.
Speaker 3: He's a great kid. Good stuff, good family stuff.
Speaker 1: To end the show.
Speaker 3: Anything else. Greg, Let's get your dad on there. Let's
Speaker 3: get your dad onto talk some pats.
Speaker 4: I think he's tuned out on the paths. My mom
Speaker 4: My mom is not. She's probably invested, but I think
Speaker 4: he's more. You know, it'll jump to the Celtics.
Speaker 3: Okay, great stuff, So thank you to everybody for listening. Now,
Speaker 3: we got the trade deadline coming up, so we will
Speaker 3: be ready to record whenever news breaks. Until then, you
Speaker 3: know what you need to do, heed the call.
Speaker 6: Happy,