1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,280 Speaker 1: We've got guys in the Hall of Fame that played 2 00:00:02,320 --> 00:00:04,480 Speaker 1: in Colorado, and I can promise you and I can 3 00:00:04,559 --> 00:00:06,360 Speaker 1: tell you this, if I played in Colorado, I have 4 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:12,320 Speaker 1: a thousand home months right now. 5 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 2: The Great Gary Sheffield is here with us for the 6 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 2: next couple of days to play some poker and join 7 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:19,599 Speaker 2: us for fifteen minutes here, Chef. 8 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:21,120 Speaker 3: Great to see you, man, Thanks for coming. 9 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 4: Good to be here. Man, it wasn't as easy as 10 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 4: we would like. But what happened? 11 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 3: Wait you mean modern travel is not easy. 12 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 1: Not today many like man, these flights, they have you 13 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:34,840 Speaker 1: all over the place. So I was, you know, especially 14 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:35,879 Speaker 1: when you go through Atlanta. 15 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:40,640 Speaker 3: So yeah, not easy, very busy airport. I dealt with 16 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:40,960 Speaker 3: some of that. 17 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:41,600 Speaker 4: This new too. 18 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:45,200 Speaker 2: With the storms down there, Chef, we will have some fun. 19 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 2: I do want to start here just to send my condolences. 20 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:50,920 Speaker 2: I know you were very close with the late great 21 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 2: Dave Parker, and we wanted to wait to kind of 22 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:54,319 Speaker 2: talk about this for. 23 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 3: When you came here. So first off, I'm so sorry 24 00:00:57,320 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 3: for your loss. You. 25 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 2: Dave Parker was such a fun guy to learn about 26 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 2: for me. I didn't get to watch him, obviously, but 27 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:06,760 Speaker 2: to learn about as a player, I mean had swagged 28 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 2: way before the game had swagged. But what can you 29 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 2: tell us about Dave For those that didn't know him 30 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:13,479 Speaker 2: or weren't able to watch him. 31 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:15,960 Speaker 4: Play well, Dave is like a gentle giant. 32 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 1: He was one of those guys that he cared for 33 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 1: others more than he seemed like he cared for himself. 34 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:23,679 Speaker 1: To be honest with you, you know, the thing is 35 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 1: when you walk in the door and you see the 36 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 1: potential and you he take you und this wing. 37 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 4: He teach you the ropes. 38 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 1: You know, he shows you things without him trying to 39 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 1: teach you how to play this game, He'll show it 40 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 1: to you. And a lot of things that I took 41 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 1: from it when I first met Dave when they brought 42 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 1: him to Milwaukee is that he don't like rules. So Dave, 43 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 1: you know the zoomer pants they had he was back 44 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 1: in the day, these loose pants, And then they tried 45 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 1: to implement a dress code, and Dave didn't go against 46 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 1: the dress code. He just showed up with the same 47 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 1: zoomer pants and the next day and the next day 48 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 1: and he basically told them that I wear what I 49 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 1: want to wear. So this guy here, he was, he 50 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:08,080 Speaker 1: was a soldier man. And when I sat back and 51 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 1: watched him, and he always told me, he said, when 52 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 1: you're the man, you can make, you can make things 53 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 1: that happened and the way you want them to happen. 54 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:18,080 Speaker 1: And they said, you know, you don't have to follow 55 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:20,919 Speaker 1: everything I do, but just just just follow my. 56 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 4: Lead when I'm doing the right thing. 57 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 5: That we were just talking about how teams don't get 58 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 5: veterans in. I was just looking at it. You know 59 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 5: how old he was when you played with him. I 60 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:33,960 Speaker 5: think he was forty thirty nine, forty years old. He 61 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:36,959 Speaker 5: was an All Star. Yeah, All Star the year before. 62 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:40,240 Speaker 5: You know, we're talking like war, negative war, barely anything, 63 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 5: all that stuff. They still brought him in. This is 64 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 5: just a prime example of teams used to get veteran 65 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 5: guys in and what kind of impact that made on 66 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:52,359 Speaker 5: your elite career. 67 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:53,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely it was. 68 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:57,080 Speaker 1: It was huge for me because I didn't I was 69 00:02:57,160 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 1: eighteen nineteen years old when I made to the big 70 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 1: leagues and that automatically told me I was to start 71 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:05,120 Speaker 1: and shortstop. And when I got there in spring training, 72 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:07,800 Speaker 1: they decided they wanted me to play third, and like 73 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 1: I was like okay, I spent all this time in 74 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 1: the minor league playing shortstop. I'm two years out of 75 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 1: high school. I've never played third base. I'm not playing 76 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 1: third base. I'm looking at Jose Canseeko walk up there. 77 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:21,640 Speaker 1: These guys are real close to you, and I'm like, 78 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:23,919 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna I say, you know, who you're replacing 79 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 1: me with is not Caviken Jr. And even if it was, 80 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:29,800 Speaker 1: I still wouldn't want to move. And they just moved 81 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 1: me for no reason. But that's when they brought in 82 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 1: David and I struggled with that decision. And when they 83 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 1: brought Dave Parker in and basically he used to every 84 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 1: media session I had, he would stand next to me 85 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 1: and he would handle all the questions. He wouldn't let 86 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 1: the people deal with me in a certain way because 87 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 1: he was basically letting people know I was just a kid. 88 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 1: You know, this kid doesn't know nothing about the media. 89 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 1: He knows nothing about Milwaukee. This is a culture shop, 90 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 1: and y'all treat them like this. And so what that 91 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 1: allowed me to do is go out and lead the 92 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 1: team in hitting that year that same year, and then 93 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 1: the next year they got rid of him, and that's 94 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 1: what And then I went back to struggling. 95 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 4: So that's what he meant to me. You know, it was. 96 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 6: Everything, and it's so great to hear that from better guy. 97 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 6: But now here's my real question. Was he the best 98 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 6: trash talker you ever played with all. 99 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 7: Time, all time, all time. 100 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 1: Unbelievable all time, like his his sharpness and quickness with whatever, 101 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 1: you know, he called Robbie General Custer. Uh, he called 102 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 1: Paul Marley the smartest white man in the world. He 103 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 1: told He told Greg Vaughn, I wouldn't want you dave 104 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 1: my daughter. He told, Uh, Daryl Hamilton, would you rather 105 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:42,480 Speaker 1: have a nose full of quarter of a million dollars? 106 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:48,039 Speaker 4: That's our biggest So he was just so off the 107 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:48,920 Speaker 4: top with this. 108 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 1: It was like he had everybody loose and laughing, and 109 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:57,159 Speaker 1: it's just it's a wonderful place, the wonderful guy to 110 00:04:57,200 --> 00:04:59,599 Speaker 1: be around and play baseball in front of. Because he 111 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 1: had everything loose. What did it mean to him to 112 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:04,039 Speaker 1: get elected to the Hall of Fame? And to me, 113 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 1: the biggest tray, you know, travesty tragedy. 114 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 6: Is that he's not going to get to do the 115 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:11,480 Speaker 6: speech either when he actually gets inducted into the Hall 116 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:13,719 Speaker 6: of Fame. But at least he got to know he 117 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 6: was going to a place where he should have been 118 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 6: a long time ago. 119 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:17,479 Speaker 1: Well that's the part where it was hard for me. 120 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:21,479 Speaker 1: You know, his wife is wonderful, Kelly is an amazing woman. 121 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 1: I was crying the whole day. And she was like, 122 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 1: I know she my wife called her and I couldn't 123 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:30,919 Speaker 1: talk at the time. So she got me on the 124 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 1: phone and she said, you and you better call me 125 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:36,279 Speaker 1: like this whatever. And then she was like, you know, 126 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:38,840 Speaker 1: I say, I'm so upset with major League Baseball in 127 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame because it's not funny no more. 128 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 1: We're playing with people's lives that deserve to be here 129 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:48,359 Speaker 1: and they never got a chance to walk across that stage. 130 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 4: And that bothered me to the core. 131 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 1: And and she said, Gary, one thing that Dave knew 132 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 1: is that he's in. 133 00:05:57,800 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 4: And that's what she said to me. 134 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 1: And she said, I know what he meant to you, son, 135 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 1: he said, but he knew he was going in and 136 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:06,280 Speaker 1: that was enough for him. 137 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 4: You're about you. Well, that's all the way. 138 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 1: My emotions probably came from you, you know, because these guys, 139 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 1: you know Pete Rose, you know, I didn't understand the 140 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 1: mistake he made. 141 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 4: Well, Pete Rose was baseball to me. 142 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 1: You know, I grew up watching Pete Rose at a 143 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 1: low pass field, and when the guys made mistakes. 144 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 4: We still cheered for them. We rooted for those guys. 145 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 1: And I remember he had missed the ball and I 146 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 1: was in the stand saying, you'll get the next one. 147 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:35,840 Speaker 1: So we didn't understand that negative press and that negative 148 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 1: stuff towards baseball players. And when Pete Rose had died 149 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:41,480 Speaker 1: and didn't get to walk across that stage, I had 150 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:42,280 Speaker 1: that same emotion. 151 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 2: So did you think that, you know, he should have 152 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:49,599 Speaker 2: been in long ago? Were you on that side? And yes, 153 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:51,599 Speaker 2: I mean obviously you didn't have to say per se, 154 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 2: But what did you think of the way it played 155 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 2: out where then he passes and soon after that they 156 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 2: changed the rule. 157 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 1: Well, I think, man, he's been doing a wonderful job 158 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 1: and trying to change some things, and I just think 159 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:07,919 Speaker 1: with Pete he made some mistakes along the way after 160 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 1: the fact, when they gave him a chance to be 161 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 1: reinstated and he didn't take the right steps. I understand that. 162 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, we want baseball 163 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 1: to be represented the right way. We care about the game. 164 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 1: We wanted to be spoken in the right way, history 165 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 1: told the right way. And Pete Rose not in the 166 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame and these guys not in the Hall 167 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 1: of Fame, then how can we really say what baseball 168 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 1: really is because we've got guys in the Hall of 169 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 1: Fame that played in Colorado. And I can promise you 170 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 1: and I can tell you this, if I played in Colorado, 171 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 1: I have a thousand months right now. 172 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 6: So that kind of question, it's like for you, yeah, right, 173 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 6: you didn't get voted in no, no, but you have 174 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 6: five hundred nine home. 175 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 7: That's because it's on your call back, by the way. 176 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'll get that for you. 177 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 7: Yeah, I'll get that. But you know you mentioned he 178 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 7: made some mistakes. Whatever with you. 179 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 6: But to me, if you want to talk about this, 180 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 6: Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, some of those guys, they deserve 181 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 6: to be in because of what they did. But then 182 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 6: I also look at other people. Al Trodriguez ran but 183 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 6: he did, but he did it after this stuff was 184 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 6: not like allowed, and he missed a year because he 185 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 6: cheated so badly. Right, So that's to me is where 186 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 6: it's a different thing, because I don't know, like to me, 187 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 6: I look, five hundred nine home runs. 188 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 5: I don't know. 189 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:33,079 Speaker 4: No, You're right, everybody's circumstances different. You can't treat everybody 190 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 4: agree because everybody can't tell me. 191 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 6: There's not guys in the Hall of Fame that didn't 192 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:39,200 Speaker 6: That's what I'm saying, that didn't do Steroi, right, I mean, 193 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 6: come on that part. 194 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 1: So the thing is is that, yeah, these guys need 195 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 1: to be in. But if you're going to give a penity, 196 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:49,320 Speaker 1: you know, give a penity. There was never anything that 197 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 1: said only one thing they said, van of life is gambling, 198 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 1: nothing else. And so now they've been a judge and 199 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:01,319 Speaker 1: the jury and then my case, how do I go 200 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 1: from being a witness to a suspect? And so that's 201 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:08,719 Speaker 1: where that's for me. My situation is totally different than 202 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 1: Barry Bonds. I trained with him, so that's why they 203 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 1: called me in as a witness. And once I told 204 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 1: him what I knew and what I saw, I said 205 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 1: to the juror, I said, let me let me ask 206 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 1: y'all one thing. 207 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 4: I say, you think Barry Bonds will bring me down 208 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 4: here and let me know he's a cheater, I said. 209 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 1: Barry Bond's ego is too big to let let anybody 210 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 1: know anything about him. 211 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 4: He wants you to know he's the. 212 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 1: Best now person like me, and I felt like I 213 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:35,680 Speaker 1: was one of the top five top ten baseball players 214 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 1: in the world at the time. I want to know 215 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:40,959 Speaker 1: who's really better than me? And if you gonna, is 216 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:44,080 Speaker 1: he gonna let me know? Oh, I'm a steroid user 217 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 1: and that's how I'm better than you. He would never 218 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:49,840 Speaker 1: do that. So that's that's the whole point. And so 219 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 1: everybody's situation different. I walked into a situation. I didn't 220 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 1: know what I was walking into. But they don't want 221 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 1: to look at it that way. But that's the way 222 00:09:58,320 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 1: you want to do it. 223 00:09:59,040 --> 00:09:59,440 Speaker 4: Go trick. 224 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 1: Check what I did after the fact when y'all said, okay, 225 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 1: we're want to test, my numbers went up. 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See our 250 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:16,080 Speaker 2: description for the terms and conditions. Skip the stress, not 251 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 2: the nutrition, Try Quel today for complete nutrition. 252 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 3: And you know that most people won't say crap. 253 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 2: They're not as transparent, right, and especially the people that 254 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 2: did do anything, they're not going to talk right for 255 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:30,080 Speaker 2: the most part. Is there anything that can be done? 256 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 2: I mean, I know that you know your case has 257 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 2: been stated. You've You've been super transparent and open about it. 258 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:39,200 Speaker 2: Like do you talk writer to writer? Do you talk 259 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:40,679 Speaker 2: to some of them and say, hey, like I want 260 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:41,959 Speaker 2: to get an idea of where you're at. 261 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 3: Or it's just not worth doing something like that. 262 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:48,000 Speaker 1: It's not worth it to me because my thing is 263 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 1: I did what I did on the baseball field, and 264 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:52,960 Speaker 1: if I got to be I gotta go campaign for 265 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:53,600 Speaker 1: what I did. 266 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 4: I can't go back and get another home run. This 267 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 4: is all start I could. Actually I don't know about that. 268 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 4: But see the thing is that this. 269 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 1: Whole thing started with me in two thousand and four 270 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 1: and the guy John Hayman, and I'll be straight up 271 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 1: and i'll name him. 272 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 4: I'll make you famous today. But this guy that started 273 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 4: all of this. 274 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:14,839 Speaker 1: You know, when I got to the Yankees, I went 275 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 1: in early, and I went in to drop my stuff 276 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 1: off because I lived in Tampa. So I got media 277 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 1: coming all out of the woodworks. You know, at my locker, 278 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 1: I had probably fifteen people at the locker and it 279 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 1: wasn't even spring training yet, and so I'm sitting there 280 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 1: talking and I'm answering all the questions, and out of nowhere, 281 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 1: John Hayman goes, hey, you've been an advocate steroids. Would 282 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 1: you be the first guy to take a test to 283 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 1: prove your innocence? And so I knew what he thought 284 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 1: was gonna happen. He thought he had a player that 285 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:48,280 Speaker 1: he can intimidate and make him freeze. So what I 286 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 1: told him? I said, as a matter of fact, yeah, 287 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 1: I got my Rose Ross outside. You can ride with 288 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 1: me and my Rose Ross and I'll take you to 289 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 1: the clinic. You say you have to take this test 290 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 1: the PR department with the Yankees, like, no, Gary can't 291 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 1: do that. 292 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 4: I can't do that. You know you can't do that, and. 293 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:06,960 Speaker 1: You know the union and all of this type of stuff. 294 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 1: He started to explaining me. I said, I don't care 295 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 1: about that. And this guy think he gonna intimidate me. 296 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:13,080 Speaker 1: Is he's wrong? I said, I'm not scared of anything. 297 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 1: I said, as a matter of fact, I want you 298 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 1: to draw my blood as well as you get my urine, 299 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 1: and I want you to keep it for the next 300 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:23,960 Speaker 1: hundred years. And down he froze. Okay, let's go. He 301 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 1: don't have nothing. No, let me make a call. I say, 302 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 1: I thought you had it. So then he goes on 303 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 1: the air to ESPN after that, and I'm sitting at 304 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:34,560 Speaker 1: home with my wife and kids, and I see that 305 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 1: he said that he asked me a steroid question, and 306 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 1: I got up tight and irate. So I went and 307 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 1: got on the station and I told him, and I 308 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 1: told the true story of what happened. 309 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 4: He asked me the question. 310 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 1: I said, yes, you can ride in my car to 311 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:54,959 Speaker 1: go do it, and he had nothing and that's what happened. 312 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 3: Wow, And I started. 313 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:01,840 Speaker 1: Yes, because then you remember that's the same year a 314 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 1: Rod struggled and Jeter struggle. They I just hit three 315 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:08,439 Speaker 1: thirty nine thirty nine, one hundred and thirty six rbs 316 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:11,320 Speaker 1: with the Braves the year before. When a Rod came, 317 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 1: they they moved me from third to fifth hitter, and 318 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:15,559 Speaker 1: I told Joe Tory. 319 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:18,319 Speaker 4: I'm the best hit on this team. I should be 320 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 4: hitting third, and they put me fifth. 321 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 1: Mass form and they struggle, and so all of a sudden, 322 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 1: Man matts SUI carried the team, keeping us afloat, and 323 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 1: every day in the media, when John Haymen come to 324 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 1: my locker, I answered all the question for everybody else. 325 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 1: He put the microphone up and says what does it 326 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 1: feel like to be overshadowed by Derek Jeter and a 327 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 1: Rod This went on for two months, that question. 328 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 4: That question, Wow, how did you handle it? I basically 329 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 4: said next I said, next question? Yeah, because I was. 330 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 4: I was. 331 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 1: I just got here. I didn't want to be a distraction. 332 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 1: But see, this is what people don't understand about the media. 333 00:14:57,480 --> 00:14:59,560 Speaker 1: When it came to me, and Jeda even stepped in 334 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 1: and say, hey, man, won't you just give them moore 335 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 1: and answers, I say, well, that's the difference between me 336 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 1: and you. I'm the reason and you're the reason why 337 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 1: the world goes around because we are different. Yep, I said, 338 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 1: you get to ask certain questions that you would never 339 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 1: get the questions asked that I get. 340 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 4: See your question is different. 341 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 1: They're talking at me, and I said, so you got 342 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 1: to respect the fact that I've held it together, this 343 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 1: loan for twenty two years based on the questions that 344 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 1: I have to answer. 345 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 3: That's a great point. 346 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 6: Everyone gets different questions, different asked differently. They could be 347 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 6: kind of the same, but they're asked differently. I agree, Yeah, depending. 348 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 7: On who you are. 349 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 3: You've seen that a ton I've. 350 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 7: Seen it a ton. My question is, and we're gonna 351 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 7: change subjects. We could talk about this. 352 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, I know. 353 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 6: We've talked about this too. Two thousand and four Red 354 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 6: Sox Yankees to come back. You were part of it. 355 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 7: Yeah. Is that the worst moment of your career? 356 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 5: It is? 357 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 7: It is because have you had a great series? 358 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, I had this perception. 359 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 5: Look it up. 360 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 4: I had this perception of the Yankees before I got there. 361 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 1: I felt like when I walked in the door, this 362 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 1: is the automatic championship because I knew what my numbers 363 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 1: was gonna be. 364 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 4: I predicted these numbers in spring training. 365 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 1: I told him marked down thirty five home runs, one 366 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 1: hundred some RBIs one hundred run scored, three hundred. I 367 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 1: did all those things. So that automatically told me we're winning. 368 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 1: And so when you look at it, yeah, we lost. 369 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 1: But if I was to ask you, if you had 370 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 1: to do it, we had to do it over again. 371 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 1: We put Mariano on the mound and the ateh the 372 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 1: ninth in him. How many chances, I mean, how many 373 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 1: time we're gonna lose? 374 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 5: History says that time in game seven of the right. 375 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 1: And so what happened was that time it didn't happen 376 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 1: because he's been in that situation a thousand times, all 377 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 1: six of the championships. He's probably been on the mound 378 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 1: now when it came to two thousand and four and 379 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 1: against the Angels as well, he was on the mound. 380 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 1: We was winning and he lost. And I wouldn't say 381 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 1: he lost, we all lost, but he was standing on 382 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 1: the mound when we didn't win that game. That's good stuff. 383 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 5: That's a good that's a good way to look at it, 384 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 5: because like you could sit there and be bitter, you 385 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 5: could sit there and be whatever, right selfish, like oh 386 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 5: I did all my life. 387 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 7: That's that's. 388 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:26,400 Speaker 5: One team wins, one team loses, and the capitalized. 389 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:29,920 Speaker 1: See I always said, and this is where I when 390 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:30,960 Speaker 1: I look back at it. 391 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 4: One thing Jim Leland didn't do. Jim Leland was the 392 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:35,720 Speaker 4: type of manager. 393 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 1: He would not let you see the pictures that he's 394 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 1: gonna depend on for us to get you out with 395 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 1: like sat fences the Florida Marlins. We recruited three players 396 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 1: in December, left hand pitchers just for Barry Bonds, just 397 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:50,920 Speaker 1: for him. 398 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 4: And I guarantee you during the season, Barry. 399 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:59,639 Speaker 1: Bonds didn't get to face him at all, but he 400 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 1: would set it up for everybody else. But he knew 401 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:05,159 Speaker 1: those three guys can get Barry Barnes out and he 402 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 1: would not let him see him. And what happened when 403 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:10,440 Speaker 1: we got to the playoffs. Every time Barry Bonds third 404 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 1: at back and fourth at back, he would he would 405 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 1: see these lefties coming in. He got two chances doing 406 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 1: the game to beat us. And if he didn't, those 407 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 1: next those next two you getting matchup problems. 408 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 5: Some people playing chess, some people playing chess, right, and. 409 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 1: So what what what the disadvantage Mariano faces facing Boston. 410 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 4: We're facing them eighteen times, and he's. 411 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:35,479 Speaker 1: Closing out every game that we win, and so they 412 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 1: just get You could start seeing the at bats during 413 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:40,600 Speaker 1: the season get better and better against him and better. 414 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 4: And I'm like that kid Mallard, he just he kills him. 415 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 4: And but you're facing him. 416 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:49,320 Speaker 1: You got fifteen at bats off of him before the 417 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:50,200 Speaker 1: you know, the playoffs. 418 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:51,879 Speaker 7: He was kind of the fake Kerry Sheffield too. 419 00:18:52,400 --> 00:19:00,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you were all they remember them all to 420 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:01,360 Speaker 1: the third basement. 421 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 4: They all are getting betterments. 422 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:09,160 Speaker 5: Yeah wait, so you're staying in the playoffs when you 423 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 5: throw the same pictures again and again and again and 424 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 5: again for seven games that you can't you get better. 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What do you wish we. 448 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:35,399 Speaker 3: Had more of? 449 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 2: Part of this obviously comes up to me when I 450 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:40,879 Speaker 2: start to read more about Dave Parker and just the 451 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:43,160 Speaker 2: way that he played the game, the things that he said, 452 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:44,920 Speaker 2: and I'm like, damn, I feel like we're missing a 453 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 2: lot of that right now. 454 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:49,919 Speaker 1: And that's what I like about Bryce Harper. Bryce Harper 455 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:51,679 Speaker 1: is a little old school, you know. He does it 456 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 1: his way, his style, his brand, and he don't compromise 457 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 1: for anyone. And I think that's wonderful and I think 458 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:00,679 Speaker 1: people gravitate to that. And I see how Key react 459 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 1: to him, which is in a positive way, which is 460 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:05,680 Speaker 1: good for baseball. But the part I don't like about 461 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:08,919 Speaker 1: the game. They turn the kids into robots. The athletes 462 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 1: are gone. You have some athletic players, but when you 463 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 1: when you take away speed, you take away athleticism. 464 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:16,400 Speaker 4: And so. 465 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:21,919 Speaker 1: When we're talking about this, they talk about guys that 466 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 1: more velocity speeding against that. 467 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 4: And so the more speed and more guys I can 468 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 4: get on these. 469 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:31,960 Speaker 1: Base pads, it'll neutralize that that that velocity because Now 470 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 1: I'm gonna. 471 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:33,359 Speaker 4: Make you feel your position. 472 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:35,719 Speaker 1: I'm gonna make you work harder at your craft than 473 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:37,919 Speaker 1: just throwing a baseball by me and tricking me. 474 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:40,160 Speaker 4: Now we're gonna play the other part of the game. 475 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:43,720 Speaker 1: And so for me, uh, this brand of baseball, I 476 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 1: don't like to watch it because I don't like to 477 00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 1: see nothing happening. Because every ind and something should happen. 478 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 1: I mean, if it's three strikeouts or whatever, but it's 479 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 1: gonna be something that looks different the next ending. We 480 00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 1: may have three bunts, but we're not just gonna walk 481 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:01,879 Speaker 1: up here and try out and not put runners on 482 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:04,720 Speaker 1: base and make the pitch up, you know, work and 483 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:07,679 Speaker 1: these guys just sitting in the backyard just you know, 484 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 1: changing on tea and just throwing the ball and then 485 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:12,720 Speaker 1: going back to the doug out nothing else happened. 486 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:13,919 Speaker 4: You got to make things happen. 487 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:18,639 Speaker 5: Who's who can make that shift? You think teams have to, 488 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 5: you think players have to. You talk about like veterans 489 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 5: talking to guys at the end of our careers. You 490 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:25,720 Speaker 5: talk to guys and it's like, hey, the longer you 491 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:27,440 Speaker 5: stay in the game, if you're looking to make money, 492 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 5: the longer you stay in the game more money you 493 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:33,439 Speaker 5: make right now. The teams put these teams together, and 494 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:35,840 Speaker 5: it's they play the brand of baseball that they want 495 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:37,119 Speaker 5: to play. Can players change it? 496 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 1: No, the players can't change it. That's why I say 497 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 1: it's not their fault. I said, the brand of baseball 498 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:44,640 Speaker 1: that we're watching, it's not the player's fault. 499 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:46,400 Speaker 4: That's what they're asking for. They're asking these. 500 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:48,679 Speaker 1: Guys to go up here, hit home run, swing with 501 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 1: this uppercut, and that's it. And so you I talk 502 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 1: to a lot of kids and when I talk to them, 503 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 1: they have no and I mean zero understanding about hitting, 504 00:22:59,200 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 1: like zero. 505 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:01,359 Speaker 4: They basically tell me. 506 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:05,119 Speaker 1: I remember I went and took this kid on the 507 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:10,880 Speaker 1: mentorship of dinner like a mentoring players, and they said 508 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:14,159 Speaker 1: to me, well that I said, what happened on this 509 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:17,400 Speaker 1: this one one count? And he said, well, they want 510 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:19,960 Speaker 1: to swinging on that count no matter what I said, 511 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 1: what that means. So basically, they got a scouting report 512 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 1: that's set up that says, when you get to this count, 513 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:28,480 Speaker 1: we want you to swing, no matter what. 514 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:31,920 Speaker 3: For what. Because they think there's a certain. 515 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,160 Speaker 4: Pitch, they know that a certain picture is coming. 516 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:39,360 Speaker 2: They're saying the probability of this pitch. Yes, you shouldn't 517 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 2: have a field swing that. 518 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:43,760 Speaker 6: Because as a catcher, I'd be like, you know they 519 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:48,239 Speaker 6: have we run in the cover to stop right. 520 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:50,120 Speaker 7: Yeah, and you're like, oh, it's one one he has 521 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 7: to swing. Yes, completely different. 522 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 1: But I don't say so because he's a catcher. But 523 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 1: I know he can reading. He can read situations. You 524 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:03,880 Speaker 1: know what this guy got And I look at your swing, 525 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,400 Speaker 1: I know what to call. I mean, that's easy. 526 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 4: So they don't do that. But they don't do that. 527 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:08,399 Speaker 7: They don't do that. 528 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:11,720 Speaker 1: No, they basically, he basically told me that when this 529 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:14,480 Speaker 1: count happens, we have to swing on this count, not 530 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:15,359 Speaker 1: the first pitch. 531 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 5: Young young kid. 532 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,280 Speaker 6: Yes, it's like it's like I watch pictures now with 533 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 6: this little thing on their glove or they call their 534 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 6: old pitches. 535 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:22,639 Speaker 7: How can you throw a ball? 536 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:25,119 Speaker 6: As a catcher, you can see the hitter because you 537 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:27,280 Speaker 6: see the ball and now you can watch the hitter. 538 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 7: But how can a pitchers throw the ball? 539 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:30,719 Speaker 6: Most of them jerk their head down right and by 540 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 6: the time they look back up, the ball has already 541 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 6: been hit somewhere. 542 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 7: How do they know what the swing looks like? And 543 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:35,120 Speaker 7: they're calling the game. 544 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:36,480 Speaker 4: That's why he's rely on you guys. 545 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 7: But they don't know the pictures. 546 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 6: Joey has it on a sleeve, right, and pitchers have 547 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:44,719 Speaker 6: it on their glove where they can call the pitches. 548 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 4: But you know you can't. 549 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:48,280 Speaker 7: You can't throw the ball look down. By the time 550 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:50,200 Speaker 7: you look back up, the balls hit somewhere foul off. 551 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 7: I didn't know what you did, right. 552 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 4: Well, that's why I say they have to rely on 553 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:54,200 Speaker 4: you catchers. 554 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 7: I wish because I. 555 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:59,040 Speaker 1: Wish they would, but what but the game today is 556 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:00,359 Speaker 1: not appilling to watch. 557 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 4: And I'm not trying to knock the game. I want 558 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 4: it to be good. And the thing is. 559 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:08,919 Speaker 1: That when somebody tell you, you know this, AJA, when you 560 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,400 Speaker 1: do this with your this show that the first movie 561 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,720 Speaker 1: is that my hands in the afterc it's not in 562 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:18,119 Speaker 1: the best position possible. But when I go here, I 563 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 1: can go there. I can go there, or I can 564 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:23,160 Speaker 1: go here. Once I go here, But when I do this, 565 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 1: I'm done. And this is what they're teaching. And I'm 566 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:30,359 Speaker 1: not saying you can't have success swinging up sometimes because 567 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:34,680 Speaker 1: done Malley. I told her, I can't hit no knuckleball. 568 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:36,920 Speaker 1: I don't know how to hear knuckleball, and he said, Gary, 569 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:41,440 Speaker 1: slow the wiggle down and swing up. And I did that, 570 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 1: and Wakefield and everybody else couldn't get me. 571 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:48,440 Speaker 4: Out of this. So I'm saying. What I'm saying technically 572 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 4: is I would. 573 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:52,680 Speaker 1: Take the data that they have today, but I would 574 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,119 Speaker 1: take the old school and make it a marriage and 575 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 1: create magic. 576 00:25:56,600 --> 00:26:00,440 Speaker 4: That's what I would. That's what I like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 577 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:04,480 Speaker 7: And by the way, you and Wakefield is a bad 578 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:07,399 Speaker 7: matchup for r I p Tim, But that's. 579 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 3: Wad a bad match saw it. 580 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:11,840 Speaker 4: At the beginning. It was bad for me really. Oh yeah. 581 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:16,199 Speaker 1: I was swinging down because I swing, I think this 582 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:20,240 Speaker 1: and that ball just shoot up, rise up in my swing, 583 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,399 Speaker 1: just go right by, Like I walked back to do 584 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:23,840 Speaker 1: don I. 585 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 5: Who was playing third for the Red at that time. 586 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 4: That's what the bad matchup was. Then play back, but 587 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:34,200 Speaker 4: they didn't know I couldn't hit it. 588 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:37,240 Speaker 1: And then when he told me that, I didn't even 589 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 1: understand what he was saying, just swing up. I didn't 590 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 1: know how to do it. I didn't know how to swing. 591 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 1: I was always a guy that swing this way. My 592 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:49,480 Speaker 1: first move is this, and when I did it, home run. 593 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:51,160 Speaker 5: That's great. 594 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 4: It was it was the ball. 595 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:54,359 Speaker 1: Just I saw the ball so much better when I 596 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,879 Speaker 1: just stayed going up. But when I'm when I'm hitting 597 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 1: like this, Patro, everything is once that goes here. Pedro 598 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 1: got you. 599 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:08,879 Speaker 2: What about the game from an entertainment perspective, So you know, 600 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 2: we do have the pitch clock that comes into play, 601 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:13,879 Speaker 2: so at least that kind of sped things up. And 602 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,680 Speaker 2: then also the way that obviously we've got the Juggernauts, 603 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:20,200 Speaker 2: and then there are some teams that are a tough watch, 604 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,040 Speaker 2: you know. And it's been going for years now, right, 605 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,720 Speaker 2: the Rockies, the Pirates, It's been a long time. 606 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,640 Speaker 3: Any thoughts on how we can get that to change. 607 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,440 Speaker 1: Well, I'll say this. I talk about this a lot. 608 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:34,040 Speaker 1: I get a lot of phone calls from a lot 609 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:37,760 Speaker 1: of people. The game is an illusion that's going on 610 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,600 Speaker 1: that the game is being sped up with this pitch clock. 611 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 4: Well then it slowed down with the replay, so. 612 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 3: The time of the game is down. 613 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 4: No, but it's fine. 614 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 1: But I'm just saying, you're speeding it up in one manner, 615 00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 1: but then you're slowing it down in another. 616 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 4: Just to get it right. And I believe in getting 617 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:55,920 Speaker 4: it right. 618 00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 1: But when you're talking about the whole toutality of the 619 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,479 Speaker 1: game and who's in it and how it's being played 620 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:06,879 Speaker 1: and what's entertaining and watching what's not. Something has to 621 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 1: change for who you drafted, because a lot of times 622 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,119 Speaker 1: I can draft you on potential, and I can draft 623 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,400 Speaker 1: you because you can do five different things, but they 624 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:22,040 Speaker 1: haven't been polished yet. So there's that's called a development side. 625 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 1: Some kids need more development and more time to develop 626 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,359 Speaker 1: into the player that they can be. These scouts are 627 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,480 Speaker 1: not scouting that way no more. They don't even have 628 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,320 Speaker 1: to show up at the game anymore. They can go 629 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:35,479 Speaker 1: on the data and if you hit a ball one 630 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,200 Speaker 1: O four in the twelfth grade and then you threw 631 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,880 Speaker 1: a ball as ninety nine in the twelfth grade, they 632 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 1: drafted you just on that alone. 633 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 4: Never seen you play. 634 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 3: That'speeding now too. They're tracking all of that. 635 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:48,720 Speaker 2: They've got a delineation many teams do, where it's like, 636 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,920 Speaker 2: if he's not at this level, we're good chances are 637 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:52,800 Speaker 2: that it's not gonna work. 638 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 1: Now here's the thing. My son is six y two 639 00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 1: at Florida State. He was six foot coming out as 640 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:05,040 Speaker 1: high school season. They told me that he needs to 641 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:08,360 Speaker 1: get bigger, faster, stronger, and then we'll we think he's 642 00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:11,680 Speaker 1: gonna be a player. Well he's six two, now, okay, 643 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:16,200 Speaker 1: I see a kid on his team that's five nine, 644 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:20,960 Speaker 1: soking wet? Did they tell him the same thing? That's 645 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,840 Speaker 1: the question I have. So is it that we need 646 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:28,120 Speaker 1: to get bigger, faster, stronger or what is going on here? 647 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:28,959 Speaker 7: Agree? 648 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:30,800 Speaker 4: And so I don't know the answer to it. 649 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,800 Speaker 1: And that's why I just have to be able to 650 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:35,840 Speaker 1: be a parent to my son and say, hey, we 651 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:37,480 Speaker 1: just have to do what we gotta do. We have 652 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,600 Speaker 1: to work hard and we can't take shortcuts. This is 653 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 1: it and that's pretty much it. But when I see, guys, 654 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 1: I saw a kid get drafted by the Cubs that 655 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,760 Speaker 1: probably was five to seven, probably one hundred and sixty pounds. 656 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 4: Tell me what superstar in that kind of body? That's 657 00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:57,200 Speaker 4: an outlier. 658 00:29:57,920 --> 00:29:58,960 Speaker 7: But where are those guys? 659 00:29:59,240 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 4: Where is that? 660 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:04,320 Speaker 1: It's one of those Yeah, oh's like superstar. That means 661 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,520 Speaker 1: he can play baseball. And that's about it. 662 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:08,800 Speaker 6: By the way, Chef and my kid did play against 663 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,000 Speaker 6: each other. They played against each other. We actually his 664 00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:12,600 Speaker 6: son and my son played against each other this year 665 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 6: and the one but they didn't win the state championship. 666 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,840 Speaker 7: So we've already had that. We've had that conversation before, but. 667 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:21,080 Speaker 3: You got you got time during the last year we did. 668 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,240 Speaker 6: This out here for the golf turn where I talked 669 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:25,200 Speaker 6: about I can't believe they did not win the state. 670 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,640 Speaker 7: But that's a whole different story. Last before we let 671 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,440 Speaker 7: you go, you pitched in Williamsport. 672 00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 6: You hit in Williamsport, so you were like the show 673 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:34,200 Speaker 6: he Tani and Williamsport. 674 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:36,320 Speaker 7: I was, could you do what he's doing? Now? 675 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:39,400 Speaker 4: I thought I could, to be honest with you, but 676 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:41,480 Speaker 4: I didn't throw ninety nine and I ninety three. 677 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:46,120 Speaker 7: Oh see, that doesn't a big difference. Yeah, thumbering you were. 678 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 4: I mean ninety three, that's what that's the average speed. 679 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,600 Speaker 1: Now, yeah, they say guys throwing harder, so that's probably 680 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 1: the average speed. That was me and so I I 681 00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:58,480 Speaker 1: thought I was more of a pitcher than I was 682 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,480 Speaker 1: a hitter because of my uncle. That's what he engraved 683 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:03,480 Speaker 1: in me that I'm a picture. But my granddad said, 684 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,880 Speaker 1: you're you're the hitter. And so I did both. And 685 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,880 Speaker 1: I was eight and old in high school and all 686 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,400 Speaker 1: the way up, I was the guy and I just 687 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 1: felt like I could. 688 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,360 Speaker 4: Could have done it or not, I don't know, but 689 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:16,720 Speaker 4: I was. 690 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,760 Speaker 5: I sure wanted to kids out there. If you don't 691 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,040 Speaker 5: know who his uncle is, just hit baseball reference. I 692 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,600 Speaker 5: won't even give it away. I won't even give it away. 693 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,600 Speaker 5: It was pretty decent at a pretty young age. 694 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,680 Speaker 4: He was a mean son of a guy to be 695 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:36,040 Speaker 4: a baseball player. Man, it wasn't it wasn't pretty. I 696 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:37,080 Speaker 4: tell you, it wasn't pretty. 697 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:39,960 Speaker 2: Hey, at google it. There's some good there's some good articles, 698 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:43,080 Speaker 2: I'll tell you. Chef awesome. Thank you for stopping by. 699 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:44,960 Speaker 2: We're excited to hang with you later. 700 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:49,040 Speaker 1: I used to be obsessed with the game, so it 701 00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:51,920 Speaker 1: got really bad and my wife said, you gotta quit. 702 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:58,360 Speaker 3: This is your come back, Yeah, come back to me. Yeah, 703 00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:00,640 Speaker 3: this is gonna be good. I'm excited for it. Later 704 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:02,280 Speaker 3: it's going to be on our YouTube channel. 705 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,760 Speaker 2: H m hm