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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. I Nancy Grace, this is

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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friends at wh DH seven Boston.

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Speaker 1: we will be weighing our next steps and correcting this injustice.

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Speaker 1: I'm surmising that they would want to go to the

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court to try to have the case o return

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Speaker 1: so that there would be no record for her, But

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Speaker 1: whether the slate was wiped clean or not, Carter has

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Speaker 1: spent the last year serving time in the Bristol County

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Speaker 1: no way to turn that clock back. In twenty seventeen,

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Speaker 1: a judge rule that Carter caused her boyfriend, eighteen year

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Speaker 1: old Conrad Roy's death by urging him in a phone

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Speaker 1: call to get back into his carbon monoxide filled truck

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Speaker 1: were text messages that Carter sent leading up to Roy's

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Speaker 1: death where she encouraged Roy to kill himself. Sentenced in

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Speaker 1: February to fifteen months in prison, Carter is getting out

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Speaker 1: early for good behavior. Michelle Carter's been a model prisoner.

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Speaker 1: She's been involved in programs. She's gotten a certificate in

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Speaker 1: food services, and she's been very active in social programs

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Speaker 1: as well as some self help programs. Take a listen

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Speaker 1: to Conrad Roy's family speaking to our friend doctor Oz.

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Speaker 1: But she tried to console me. She told me that

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Speaker 1: how much he loved me. I did nothing wrong. But

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Speaker 1: when she sent me a message in August and she

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Speaker 1: said I tried to save him. You tried to save him,

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Speaker 1: don't feel guilty, and I was like, red flag, what

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Speaker 1: is going on? So I sent the message to the

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Speaker 1: detective and I said she had something. She knew. She

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Speaker 1: knew that he passed, she knew that he was going

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Speaker 1: to commit suicide. We had no idea. We've spent the

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Speaker 1: day with him. The day he died. I walked the

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Speaker 1: beach with him. We smiled, we laughed, kend You've spent

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Speaker 1: the last day of your brother's life with him. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we all three listed. Did you have any idea? Um? No,

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Speaker 1: He even took us out for ice cream after then

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Speaker 1: right after that he went and went to the parking

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Speaker 1: lot and I guess now we learned Michelle Carter set

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Speaker 1: to walk free early release Nancy Grace Crime Story, signing

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Speaker 1: off Goodbye Friend,