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Speaker 1: What's happened?

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Speaker 2: Everybody?

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Speaker 3: Welcome to Wednesday edition that Texans All Access from lond

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Speaker 3: Texans Radio Studio.

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Speaker 1: John Harris your host, and Boyd, we have some AFC

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Speaker 1: South nuggets for you.

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Speaker 3: Paul Kuharski, who covers the Titans in Nashville, will join

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Speaker 3: Mark a little bit later. He was there at the

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Speaker 3: Annual Meetings, as with Steven Holder, who covers the Colts

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Speaker 3: and has covered the Colts for a long time. So

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Speaker 3: we're gonna talk a little Titans.

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Speaker 1: A little Colts.

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Speaker 3: But to kick off this show, Mark had a chance

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Speaker 3: to catch up with Cal and Hannah nicknair down at

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Speaker 3: the Breakers for the annual Meetings. Always great stuff coming

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Speaker 3: out of conversations with the McNair's, and I'm just a

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Speaker 3: little envious that I was unable to be there. But

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Speaker 3: as Mark and I have said many times, Mark gets

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Speaker 3: the Annual Meetings, I get the Senior Bowl. To me,

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Speaker 3: it seems fair, but you know, I get mobile, he

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Speaker 3: gets the Breakers.

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Speaker 1: It's you know, a little lopsided in his direction. But

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Speaker 1: my market.

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Speaker 3: A chance to catch up with Mike Toman, new President

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Speaker 3: of Texans Callahanna McNair caught up with Tamika Ryants and

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Speaker 3: at Casario they all asked where I was. At least

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Speaker 3: I hope they asked, But either way, the McNair sat

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Speaker 3: with Mark and plenty to talk about from the meetings

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Speaker 3: from the Breakers.

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Speaker 4: Here we go, Hannah McNair, Cal McNair joining us at

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Speaker 4: the NFL Annual Meeting at the Breakers in Palm Beats.

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Speaker 2: So far, so good.

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Speaker 4: I know we have a little bit of the meetings left,

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Speaker 4: but Cal, can you assess.

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Speaker 2: It for us?

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Speaker 5: They were good meetings. I'm glad they're towards the end.

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Speaker 5: I liked being around players and on the field more

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Speaker 5: than being in meetings. But these are things that have

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Speaker 5: to do the business of NFL, and so that's what

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Speaker 5: we're here to do and got most of it behind us.

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Speaker 6: How'd you like being here, Hannah?

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Speaker 7: It's always fun.

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Speaker 8: It's always fun to get together with the other families

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Speaker 8: and the wives and the significant others and just get

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Speaker 8: together this one time of year.

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Speaker 7: We're all actually in the same place, so it's a

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Speaker 7: lot of fun.

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Speaker 8: It's fat to do a couple of meetings and have

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Speaker 4: Isn't kind of strange because we're so competitive as a league,

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Speaker 4: all thirty two teams, yet here everybody sort of lefts

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Speaker 6: Isn't that what it's like?

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Speaker 8: I think so, especially you know the Monday night reception

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Speaker 8: when everybody's together after a full day of meetings, everybody's

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Speaker 8: ready to just kind of chill and put the put

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Speaker 8: the swords down and enjoy each other's company with the

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Speaker 4: I like that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's beautiful here, but I've been sitting in a

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Speaker 5: it is beautiful here and glad to be glad to

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Speaker 6: All right.

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Speaker 4: International Games one of the focal points here.

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Speaker 6: A lot of talk about that.

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Speaker 4: New areas where various teams can market themselves, things like that.

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Speaker 4: We haven't been out of the country since twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 4: It feels like we're kind of do So what do

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Speaker 6: Toward International Games?

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Speaker 4: It's just going to add to it seven games this year,

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Speaker 6: What do you think.

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Speaker 5: I think it's great for the league to expand and

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Speaker 5: in our game and bring it to the fandom there.

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Speaker 5: We'll be on the list soon. We don't know when,

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Speaker 5: but the League will let us know and we'll be

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Speaker 4: And that affects so many people, right, affects the entire

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it is different from flying to Jacksonville, which

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Speaker 5: When we went to London, we took a lot of

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Speaker 7: So I was going there again. You would like to

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Speaker 6: I'd love to go there to London.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, that was fun. You were there.

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Speaker 6: I was there.

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Speaker 2: It was great.

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Speaker 6: Australia.

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Speaker 4: Next year it won't be us because it's the Rams

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Speaker 4: hosting and we play them this year, so we'll have

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Speaker 9: While for them.

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Speaker 8: I think it's also different if you're the visiting team

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Speaker 8: more to do. We haven't been a host team out

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Speaker 4: That's right Mexico with the Raiders that we're hosting that

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Speaker 4: one flag football, a lot of emphasis there, and I

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Speaker 4: know this is something really important to the Texans organization

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Speaker 8: Yes, it really is important. You know, we are still

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Speaker 8: in a hard push to get it sanctioned in Texas.

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Speaker 8: We want to be the fifteenth state right now there's

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Speaker 8: fourteen states, and you know, it's just it encourages growth,

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Speaker 8: but it also encourages the scholarships that are available for college.

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Speaker 7: It encourages the higher education.

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Speaker 8: So when you're in high school and you're looking for

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Speaker 8: an opportunity to further your education and get scholarships, this

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Speaker 5: And it is a lot of growth, but it's like

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Speaker 5: exponential growth that is growing so fast and Hannah's working

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Speaker 5: So it's really a really great deal.

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Speaker 8: We're the first ever in the NFL to hold a

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Speaker 8: in Monterey. I think there were twelve hundred applicants that

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Speaker 8: But we're also in El Pasa, we're in Austin, and

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Speaker 8: so we're expanding and we're growing, and part of that

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Speaker 8: is my daughter is still playing. She played in the fall,

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Speaker 8: she's playing here in the spring with the YMCA. We've

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Speaker 8: we can continue to grow. Being in all hid high schools,

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Speaker 8: charter schools, a Ley, Fort Bend, all of these different

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Speaker 8: it's also there is such a hunger for the game

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Speaker 8: with female athletes, and it's encouraging and it's fun to

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Speaker 4: Kaitlyn Clark and Serena Williams were here helping promote the cause.

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Speaker 6: How was that, Geene Never?

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Speaker 8: I think Caitlyn mentioned she may play in the Olympics

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Speaker 8: in twenty twenty eight.

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Speaker 7: Would you be fine?

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Speaker 5: That'd be amazing.

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Speaker 7: I have no doubt she probably be could.

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Speaker 8: She's an incredible athlete as his Serena. I think it's

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Speaker 8: a It's wonderful to see other athletes from other sports

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Speaker 8: encourage a game the four females that is very important

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Speaker 5: So Caitlyn said there wasn't a league that she could

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Speaker 5: So it's interesting how life work's out.

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Speaker 4: But it's really interesting because you've mentioned it. It's so

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Speaker 4: important to get kids to play when they're young, so

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Speaker 4: especially these girls teams at high school. Great, but you

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Speaker 7: To go in high school, right, yes?

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Speaker 8: And you know, Mark, I know that you're a big

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Speaker 6: Over a decade. But we won't get into that right now.

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Speaker 6: Let's get into this.

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Speaker 4: Mike Toleman, new president of the Texans, and we interviewed

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Speaker 4: here as well. There are things for the presidents here

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Speaker 4: to do, meetings and such. Can you tell us about

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Speaker 4: him your thoughts so far as Mike Toba takes over

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Speaker 5: He's been with us a month and a half something

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Speaker 5: Ground running, you know, coming to this these meetings, he

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Speaker 5: a pretty seamless operation and we're really really happy with them.

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Speaker 8: So it feels like he's been with us for a

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Speaker 8: long time, even though it's been only a couple of months.

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Speaker 7: He fits right in. He hit the ground running.

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Speaker 8: He's very fun to be around because he's so he

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Speaker 8: sees the future and he sees the growth, and he's

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Speaker 8: I love that about him. I think he's great for

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Speaker 6: Well, he's talked about he's a real global thinker.

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Speaker 4: But he's talked about renovation being an emphasis with the stadium.

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Speaker 6: What about that? What can you tell us about that?

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Speaker 4: How important it is to get NRG Stadium up to

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we need to get it up to date. We

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Speaker 5: realize that We've been doing a lot of research with

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Speaker 5: the county with the Rodeo understand where the stadium is,

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Speaker 5: it's current state, and we'll continue to do that and

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Speaker 5: bring in the information and let that data kind of

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Speaker 5: guide us to where we're going. But it's a very

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Speaker 5: complicated issue one because of we have Rodeo ourselves, the

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Speaker 5: county as owner, and a lot of dates the county controls,

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Speaker 5: and there's a number of facilities there on the site.

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Speaker 5: We're focused on the stadium the rodeo is as well.

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Speaker 5: The Rodeo also uses the arena in the convention Center

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Speaker 5: as well. So it gets very complicated very fast. And

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Speaker 5: we're talking about lease structures that will go out twenty years,

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Speaker 5: thirty years, and we want to get it right to

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Speaker 5: where we don't wind up behind and maintenance and repairs

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Speaker 5: like we are now. So we want to address that

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Speaker 5: as we go forward and come out with a win

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Speaker 5: win for everyone.

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Speaker 4: I know we have the draft coming up soon enough,

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Speaker 4: but what do you think about what the team has

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Speaker 4: done so far? With Nick Cassario, Demika, Rise have been

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Speaker 4: working on player acquisition.

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Speaker 2: Time of year.

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Speaker 5: It's an extremely fun time of year for us. As

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Speaker 5: we see Nick and Dimiko put together the team that

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Speaker 5: really Jamiko in visions on the field, and Nick has

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Speaker 3: Right here with Steven Holder, let's talk a little Colts.

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Speaker 4: Right, visiting with Steven Holder here at the NFL Annual

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Speaker 2: How you doing, Steven, I'm doing well. Well, Listen, they're

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Speaker 2: Steven No, I think that's where it starts, because they

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Speaker 2: a series of efforts to fix this. If they could

444
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Speaker 2: fix it, I think they would be a viable team. Yeah,

445
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Speaker 2: but I don't know that they fixed it. You can't

446
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Speaker 2: say that they have fixed it, So I don't know

447
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Speaker 2: where that leaves them.

448
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Speaker 4: They won games with Minshew and what could have should

449
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Speaker 4: have against the Texans in that final game him in

450
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Speaker 4: twenty twenty three. Were you surprised that the Flacco appearances

451
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Speaker 4: didn't go better because they went well for Cleveland the

452
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Speaker 4: year before by and large.

453
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Speaker 2: Now, that's a good question, I think. I think with

454
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Speaker 2: Joe Flacco, you kind of have to have a perfect situation.

455
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Speaker 2: And in Cleveland they had a very good roster around him.

456
00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:21,800
Speaker 2: That team is another very Colts like team, you know,

457
00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:25,639
Speaker 2: just some talent there, and they just can't They just

458
00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:29,760
Speaker 2: can't solve the quarterback issue. But anyway, in Indianapolis, I

459
00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:33,440
Speaker 2: think that he kind of cut a little lightning in

460
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Speaker 2: a bottle in Cleveland too.

461
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Speaker 4: Yeah.

462
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Speaker 2: And then so when he did get the starting job,

463
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Speaker 2: or when he did the starting opportunity in Indianapolis, he

464
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Speaker 2: also had to face two very tough defenses, I believe,

465
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Speaker 2: Minnesota and Buffalo back to back for a quarterback that

466
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Speaker 2: you know, hadn't played regularly all season, Like that was tough.

467
00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:56,640
Speaker 2: That's a tough assignment. And he's also not mobile. So

468
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Speaker 2: you know, if your offensive line is a tough day,

469
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Speaker 2: you know that it's in a tough position. So they

470
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Speaker 2: were giving up some things by playing Flacco, you know,

471
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Speaker 2: with the lack of mobility, and then you know he

472
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Speaker 2: doesn't have the same arm magic that he used to. Obviously,

473
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Speaker 2: no one would at thirty nine to forty years old.

474
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Speaker 2: So was I surprised that it went as poorly as

475
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Speaker 2: it did a little, but also I understand it and

476
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Speaker 2: and ultimately Anthony Richardson gave them more options because of

477
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Speaker 2: his his athleticism.

478
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Speaker 4: Steven Holder of ESPN joining us if it doesn't work

479
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Speaker 4: this year, and by doesn't work, I mean seven and

480
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Speaker 4: ten or less, is their regime change with the Colts?

481
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Speaker 2: I would bet yes, okay. And the reason I say

482
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Speaker 2: that is because you know, this this past offseason was

483
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Speaker 2: very interesting. You know, you have those end of season

484
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Speaker 2: you know, the Black Monday situation, et cetera. And the

485
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Speaker 2: Colts acknowledged while they kept their regime, they did acknowledge

486
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Speaker 2: that there was some consideration of change because owner Jim

487
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Speaker 2: Mersey did release that statement that I remember very specifically

488
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Speaker 2: where he said, I share your frustrations as fans, and

489
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Speaker 2: we contemplated a lot of a lot of decisions here.

490
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Speaker 2: So I mean that was pretty remarkable for you to

491
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Speaker 2: keep your job. But for the owner to say, yeah, hey,

492
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Speaker 2: I thought about it. Yeah, I get that what you

493
00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:23,120
Speaker 2: wanted me to fire them, and I thought about it

494
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Speaker 2: the essentially what he said, that's pretty remarkable. And if

495
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Speaker 2: that doesn't put you on notice, nothing will, right, So

496
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Speaker 2: I think they are on notice. They have to win.

497
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Speaker 2: What that what constitutes winning enough, Well, that's up to

498
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Speaker 2: the boss, but they have to win. They have to

499
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Speaker 2: have they have to do something meaningful to change the calculus.

500
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Speaker 2: I believe this.

501
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Speaker 4: Year top two needs in the draft for the Colts.

502
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say, uh, tight end for sure, and

503
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Speaker 2: it corresponds well with the depth of the draft they had.

504
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Speaker 2: They were number thirty one in terms of tight end

505
00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:59,520
Speaker 2: production last season. You can't do that right. So, but

506
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Speaker 2: offensive I think they're in good shape. Defensively, they addressed

507
00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:05,440
Speaker 2: the other big league, which was the secondary, so I

508
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:07,640
Speaker 2: think they hit though, So I'd say, get your tight

509
00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:10,879
Speaker 2: end if you can. And then I actually think offensive

510
00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:14,919
Speaker 2: line to a degree. It's maybe something they're downplaying, but

511
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:18,760
Speaker 2: they lost two starters to free agency, Ryan Kelly and

512
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Speaker 2: Will Fries. Role Fries not a household name, but he

513
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:25,720
Speaker 2: got fourteen million a year from the Vikings, so people

514
00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:29,160
Speaker 2: around the league really think that he is entering his prime.

515
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Speaker 2: So they've got to regroup on the offensive line, and

516
00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:34,679
Speaker 2: that's that's an area where they have been very solid

517
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Speaker 2: and for the first time in a long time, they're

518
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Speaker 2: gonna have a lot of shake up there, so they

519
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Speaker 2: need to address that.

520
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Speaker 4: Looked like they were gonna be great for a decade,

521
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Speaker 4: but as I say that, in today's NFL, it's hard

522
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Speaker 4: to keep a line together. You look at the Chiefs,

523
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Speaker 4: they've overhauled it several times. The Patriots when they were rolling,

524
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Speaker 4: overhauled it a lot. You can't keep five guys, you

525
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Speaker 4: can't keep five hogs in there for a decade. It's

526
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Speaker 4: too tough. They get paid elsewhere, right.

527
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Speaker 2: I mean, And frankly they let a guy like Will

528
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Speaker 2: Fries go, who they love. The reason is well, they

529
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Speaker 2: got to pay the left tackle next year, right, or

530
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Speaker 2: perhaps even this year if they do it early. So

531
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Speaker 2: you're paying Quintin Nelson twenty one million dollars a year

532
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Speaker 2: at left guard. Great player, but I mean, how much

533
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Speaker 2: are you going to spend on the offensive line? Ultimately, right,

534
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:20,520
Speaker 2: so they've got they had to restructure the right tackle

535
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Speaker 2: Brayden Smith to bring his cap number down. He's been

536
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Speaker 2: in and out of the lineup. They say he's good,

537
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Speaker 2: we'll see. So they've had some decisions to make on

538
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Speaker 2: that offensive line. They have some young guys up and

539
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Speaker 2: coming who I think they're optimistic about. Rightfully so, but

540
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Speaker 2: you're right. I mean, it's just there's too many moving pieces,

541
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Speaker 2: the money's getting higher, and the investment is just so

542
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Speaker 2: much that sometimes you just got to let guys go

543
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Speaker 2: and move on.

544
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Speaker 4: Steven Holder of ESPN joining us on Texans Radio covers

545
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Speaker 4: the Colts and the NFL with the Jags and the Titans.

546
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Speaker 4: Is it the easiest thing to say, Oh, the Jags

547
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:55,719
Speaker 4: are more likely to take a big jump because they

548
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Speaker 4: got Trevor Lawrence. Although are we missing something? Is it

549
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Speaker 4: really not there? And can more possibly this difference maker

550
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Speaker 4: from the get go? It can happen. We saw it

551
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Speaker 4: with Jayden Daniels, we saw it with c. J. Stroud.

552
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Speaker 2: Look, I think there are rightfully questions about Trevor Lawrence.

553
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:15,119
Speaker 2: Ultimately you can talk about a couple of you know,

554
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Speaker 2: sort of huge moments that he has had, but ultimately

555
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Speaker 2: beyond that, it's nothing but questions.

556
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Speaker 4: Yea.

557
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Speaker 2: And I think that is my issue with Trevor Lawrence.

558
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Speaker 2: I mean all of the other sort of elite young

559
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Speaker 2: quarterbacks that you know, we probably use the word elite

560
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:33,000
Speaker 2: too loosely and I don't want to do that here.

561
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 2: Really good the highly drafted, right, you know, quarterbacks who

562
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:41,760
Speaker 2: have been extended and so forth. They have changed the

563
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:46,399
Speaker 2: calculus for their teams. And I can't truly say that

564
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:50,080
Speaker 2: about Trevor Lawrence. They had a run, certainly a couple

565
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Speaker 2: of years ago, but that was a run. There was

566
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Speaker 2: no consistency there. So what are we talking about? And

567
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Speaker 2: I think that's that's what he has to address with

568
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Speaker 2: his play. It's up to him, all right.

569
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Speaker 4: I'm asking everybody this the Chiefs. Will the reign of

570
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Speaker 4: terror continue? Or is it over?

571
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Speaker 2: This year? I can't bet against them, right, I mean,

572
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 2: they just keep reinventing themselves. I do think it's getting

573
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 2: harder though, you know, they look at how they've handled

574
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Speaker 2: themselves offensively. They have basically over the last few years.

575
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Speaker 2: They basically made a decision. I'm over simplifying, but they

576
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Speaker 2: made a decision to say, Okay, we have the greatest

577
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Speaker 2: quarterback in the league, we have this generational tight end,

578
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:35,720
Speaker 2: and then we've got a couple of pieces on the

579
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Speaker 2: offensive line, and then we'll figure out the rest. I

580
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 2: mean to let Tyreek Hill walk out the door, right, So,

581
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 2: and the quarterback was good enough to make everybody's level

582
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,880
Speaker 2: rise and figure it out. I do think that's getting harder.

583
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 2: I mean, the offensive line has been slippish there. Kelsey

584
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,160
Speaker 2: is not the same player. This is probably it, right.

585
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Speaker 2: I'm mildly surprised he's coming back. He looked like a

586
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:03,400
Speaker 2: different player super Bowl. Yeah, and so it'll be interesting.

587
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 2: This is I think the biggest test yet. You know,

588
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 2: how do they regroup from that Super Bowl? How do

589
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 2: they tinker with this roster? But what they have done,

590
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 2: their model don't make sense, and they they think of

591
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 2: it this way, Okay, we have two or three or

592
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:20,440
Speaker 2: four untouchable pieces, and then we can figure out the rest.

593
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:24,200
Speaker 2: Chris Jones being one of those, obviously, And I give

594
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,399
Speaker 2: them a lot of credit for taking that approach. A

595
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:29,879
Speaker 2: lot of teams for better or worse. We'll say, no,

596
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 2: we can't lose that guy. We got to pay him.

597
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 2: And then you get bogged down with a bad contract

598
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 2: or something and the chiefs are like, no, we're not

599
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Speaker 2: going to do that. You know it's bold, but it's worked, right.

600
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Speaker 2: So but I think that is that sustainable, like to

601
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Speaker 2: be a dynasty. I don't know. We'll see, we'll see,

602
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:47,880
Speaker 2: all right.

603
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 4: So personal question. You've lived in Tampa, Miami, Indianapolis, and

604
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Speaker 4: John Harris and I, who I do shows with, we

605
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Speaker 4: always say we like going to Indianapolis. We love going

606
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Speaker 4: to the Combine, we like downtown in a lot of

607
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:03,159
Speaker 4: people do. We've stayed in the suburbs too when we

608
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:05,879
Speaker 4: played the Colts, and we enjoyed out there. It's actually

609
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:07,679
Speaker 4: a nice place to live. As much grief as I

610
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 4: give the Horseshoe, it's a nice place to live, right,

611
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Speaker 4: I agree with that.

612
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,159
Speaker 2: And so look as I sit here and look at

613
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Speaker 2: the palm trees, which I don't have anymore having grown

614
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Speaker 2: up in Miami. But look, you sacrifice some things no

615
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 2: matter where you go, right, So I will say this,

616
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 2: I love Houston. Your traffic is awful. Okay, I don't

617
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 2: have that problem. Number one. Look, there's something to be

618
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:32,920
Speaker 2: said for the Midwest, and I am not a Midwest guy.

619
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Speaker 2: I'm not from there and moved there as an adult.

620
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 2: The Midwest is a unique place. The people are different, right,

621
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Speaker 2: That is a real thing. The cost of living is

622
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 2: not bad, right, that's also notable. And I just think

623
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Speaker 2: particularly what drew me to Indianapolis too was the sports fandom.

624
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 2: As someone who works in sports, it means so much

625
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 2: more to those people, you know, and being from Florida,

626
00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 2: I lost a little bit of that. You know, people

627
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 2: here transient, they move from other places.

628
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Speaker 4: It's different, right, They're palm trees. There's a lot to do, exactly.

629
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 2: It really is a little bit of southern California. And

630
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 2: in Indy you cover the Colts. People stop me at

631
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 2: Costco and everywhere I go. I mean, like you're the

632
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 2: Colts guy, and it means so much to them. It's

633
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 2: a smaller town too, write So it's just there's a

634
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Speaker 2: different feel and environment to it from the sports landscape

635
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Speaker 2: that I really liked. Yeah.

636
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Speaker 4: No, I've lived in that part of the country close

637
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Speaker 4: enough to it, and I agree with you, there's something

638
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 4: about it. There's something special about it, no question. One

639
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 4: question on the newspaper industry or whatever. If I told

640
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 4: you when you were working for the Herald covering the

641
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 4: hurricanes that now internet writing was happening, but newspapers were

642
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 4: way more powerful than they are now. Obviously, what is

643
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 4: your take on the whole industry. I mean, you've worked

644
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 4: for the Athletic, which is really cool behind a paywall.

645
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 4: ESPN some of it's behind a paywall. It's really interesting

646
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Speaker 4: how it's all shaping up. What are your thoughts on it?

647
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 2: So it's a it's a tough business in a lot

648
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Speaker 2: of ways, but I also think it's what we have seen,

649
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 2: is the evolution that I've seen from you know, being

650
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Speaker 2: or entering the business maybe like a very late nineties

651
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 2: to now is so interesting. What I tell, for example,

652
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Speaker 2: young journalism students, which number one is are you sure?

653
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Speaker 2: The second thing I tell them is, look, you're it's information.

654
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Speaker 2: It just gets disseminated in different ways. So we've got

655
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Speaker 2: to figure out, like what are the best ways how

656
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Speaker 2: to deliver it effectively? What do people want? And and

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Speaker 2: that's that's kind of where we are. So I look

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Speaker 2: at it this way. Look, I'm doing fundamentally the same

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Speaker 2: job I've always done, and so are you right? We

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Speaker 2: all are. We're fundamentally doing the same job. The way

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Speaker 2: we do it is going to change today, tomorrow, the

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Speaker 2: next day all the time. But fundamentally people want the information,

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Speaker 2: they care about the content, and we got to figure

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Speaker 2: out like the best ways to do it. But it is,

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Speaker 2: it is, it's a it's an evolving business and sometimes

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Speaker 2: it takes a minute to figure out, like what's the

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Speaker 2: best route. And that's where we are right now. We're

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Speaker 2: trying to figure out where are we going and how

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Speaker 2: do we get there? So we'll see.

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Speaker 4: All right, Steven, thanks a lot for joining us, right.

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Speaker 2: You got it.

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Speaker 3: Wonderful stuff there was Stephen Holder, as good a journal

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Speaker 3: as there is in this business. Another one who has

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Speaker 3: branched out on his own, Paul Kuhars.

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Speaker 2: He covers the.

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Speaker 3: Titans as well as anybody who's been doing it since

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Speaker 3: the Tide's got there in nineteen ninety nine. Let's talk

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Speaker 3: with Paul. Cars connect right here in Texas All Access.

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Speaker 3: We won final segment this edition to Texas All Access

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Speaker 3: from the day Texans Radio studio. John Harris glad to

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Speaker 3: be with you, as Mark was in the breakers for

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Speaker 3: the annual meetings, owners, meetings.

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Speaker 1: Whatever you want to call him. Had a great time there.

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Speaker 3: Talk to a number of different Texans, folks of the

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Speaker 3: highest order, Nick Demko, Mike Toman, also the mcnairs. You

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Speaker 3: missed that, go to our podcast because they were on

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Speaker 3: the show earlier. He also talked to AFC South in

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Speaker 3: the No Individuals. We had Stephen Holder from ESPN covering

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Speaker 3: to COLSS a second ago. Now it's Paul Karski, the

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Speaker 3: feisty one who covers the Titans for Paul Karski dot Com.

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Speaker 3: Market a chance to catch up and talk all things

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Speaker 3: Titans number one pick what's going on there in Nashville.

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Speaker 1: It's Paul Karski with Mark.

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Speaker 4: It's fun to visit. It's always entertaining to visit with

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Speaker 4: you because we talked Titans and everything else in the

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Speaker 4: AFC South and you've got opinions and I like that.

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Speaker 4: So no question, cam Ward in your opinion.

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Speaker 9: I think there's still a little bit of question.

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Speaker 10: I've been putting it at eighty seven percent, and I've

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Speaker 10: come a long way.

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Speaker 9: I've thought I did think for a long time.

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Speaker 10: You know, you could pass on a guy who's got

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Speaker 10: some wards that are familiar to the organization in terms

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Speaker 10: of decision making and accuracy. Right next year, bigger pool

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Speaker 10: of collectively better guys trade out of one, Let somebody

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Speaker 10: else have them collect picks, fill out a rosta that's

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Speaker 10: really deficient and.

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Speaker 9: Go from there.

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Speaker 10: But I mean, that's an awful big ask of an

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Speaker 10: organization that's sitting at number one with the clear cut

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Speaker 10: best quarterback.

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Speaker 9: In the draft.

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Speaker 4: And Will Levis in your building.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, that they seemed to be probably falling for. And

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Speaker 10: you know, also, you know they're under so much strained

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Speaker 10: for being bad and being dysfunctional, then they're going to

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Speaker 10: be the smartest guy in the room and trade out

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Speaker 10: of a quarterback when their quarterback needy. I think it's

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Speaker 10: that would be a very tough thing to do, even

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Speaker 10: if you didn't really like them as much as you should.

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Speaker 4: Where in your opinion or when did it all go wrong?

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Speaker 4: Obviously you look at twenty twenty two and they're going good,

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Speaker 4: but they have that championship game for the division and

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Speaker 4: lose it, and they were sliding before that. What led

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Speaker 4: to all that? In your opinion, it seemed to be

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Speaker 4: going so it was going so well for Abel Derrick,

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Speaker 4: Henry Tannehill okay, but it was hanging in there. What

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Speaker 4: do you think I.

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Speaker 9: Think it started to go badly. I might have the

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Speaker 9: year wrong.

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Speaker 10: Twenty twenty first round pick twenty six or twenty eight

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Speaker 10: Isaiah Wilson, right tackle. Played four snaps for him. They

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Speaker 10: traded him for like a conditional seventh to Miami. He

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Speaker 10: showed up late, got cut by the Dolphins. Just a

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Speaker 10: disastrous first round pick. Was the start of Isaiah Wilson,

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Speaker 10: a player they've been chasing forever. They drafted Dylan Raidin's

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Speaker 10: in the second round to play right tackle, didn't pan out.

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Speaker 10: They drafted Nicholas petite Frere in the third round the

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Speaker 10: next year for right tackle.

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Speaker 9: He was a disaster in his third year last year.

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Speaker 10: I mean you could trace it all the way to

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Speaker 10: Dan Moore, who they'd just paid, you know, twenty million

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Speaker 10: dollars a year as a free agent from Pittsburgh. Who's

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Speaker 10: going to play left tackle and move jac Latham to

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Speaker 10: right tackle. So they've been chasing that position for over

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Speaker 10: four years. But then that set off first round with

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Speaker 10: Caleb Farley as a first rounder who's a bust a

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Speaker 10: cornerback often injured. Was injured at Virginia Tech. Traylon Burks

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Speaker 10: after a trade of aj Brown for an organization that

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Speaker 10: never finds wide receivers. So three bad first round picks there,

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Speaker 10: and the mojo John Robinson and Mike Vrabel, both with

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Speaker 10: big egos that ultimately cost them their jobs, and bad

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Speaker 10: hires to replace, starting with Ran Carthon the GM who

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Speaker 10: only lasted two years.

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Speaker 4: Wow, yeah, only lasted two years. And you have this

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Speaker 4: overlap between coach and GM going on. You had it

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Speaker 4: with Vrabel, Carthon and then obviously Callahan coming in. But

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Speaker 4: what do you think of the new GM set up

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Speaker 4: with the head coach working together.

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Speaker 10: I'm just big on guys being on the same clock,

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Speaker 10: and the Titans never get their guys on the same clock.

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Speaker 10: So I was just asking dan Quinn, you know, to

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Speaker 10: try to get some semblance of in comparison, because I'm

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Speaker 10: talking to Mike Borganzi the new GM, right, and he

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Speaker 10: wants to bring in.

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Speaker 9: New culture setters in this draft, obviously very big. If

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Speaker 9: cam Wore comes in, he's going to be, you know,

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Speaker 9: a massive.

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Speaker 10: Culture center for them, right, But Borganzi's also got to

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Speaker 10: consider to some degree the culture that's already been started

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Speaker 10: under Brian Callahan. Well, I'm asking dan Quinn about that. Well,

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Speaker 10: dan Quinn came in with Adam Peters, so.

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Speaker 9: They revamped the culture together.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 10: Well, Callahan's a year ahead of Borganzi. So Callahan's already

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Speaker 10: started a culture. So Borganza's got to come in figure

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Speaker 10: out what culture has already been started and how he

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Speaker 10: plugs into what's already underway and already you see, like,

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Speaker 10: well that's complicated, unnecessarily complicated. Yeah, if you would just

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Speaker 10: start the coach and the GM on the same cycle,

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Speaker 10: which you know time and time again has been a

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Speaker 10: problem for them.

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Speaker 4: Is there extra pressure for them to get it right

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Speaker 4: with the stadium opening soon?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, it's not as big a deal as people think

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Speaker 10: because the stadium has sold very well and that, uh,

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Speaker 10: Nashville likes to a degree NFL football more than it

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Speaker 10: likes the Titans, in that it's a big event. National

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Speaker 10: is a big event town. People like to go to

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Speaker 10: big events. Sure, they like the Titans, especially when they're good.

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Speaker 10: But you've been to games there and seen plenty of

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Speaker 10: Texans fans, and we know the Texans and the biggest

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Speaker 10: traveling fan base there aren't forty year Texan fans, right,

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Speaker 10: But when the Raiders come to town, or the Packers

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Speaker 10: come to town, or the Vikings come to town, the

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Speaker 10: stadium loads up with fans of those teams. I imagine

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Speaker 10: to wind up being the same in the new building,

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Speaker 10: which is actually smaller. Plus people want to be in

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Speaker 10: the new venue, which is gonna be you know, terrific.

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Speaker 10: You're gonna be at the frontal line for year round

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Speaker 10: concerts in that building in Music City, right.

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Speaker 9: Final Four is going to be there, College Football Championship.

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Speaker 10: Is going to be there, WrestleMania is gonna be there,

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Speaker 10: all this year round stuff. And if you're a season

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Speaker 10: ticket holder for the Titans, you've got a better chance

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Speaker 10: of getting tickets to all that stuff.

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Speaker 4: Paul Kaharsky joining us Paul Kleharsky dot com Jaguars. What

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Speaker 4: do you think? I am still surprised it didn't work

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Speaker 4: with Peterson. It looked like it was gonna work, and

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Speaker 4: then it didn't work. Why, in your opinion did it

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Speaker 4: not work? And where do you think it's going.

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Speaker 10: I think they've got I like the con family personally,

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Speaker 10: I know Tony a little bit, the son, but you

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Speaker 10: know that that ownership has failed consistently to find a

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Speaker 10: way to make things work outside of a couple bursts,

816
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Speaker 10: and it's not dissimilar to to the Titans failures. I

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Speaker 10: like Tony Basselli a lot, and so I hope that

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Speaker 10: he's able to bring them some stability and that they've

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Speaker 10: made a good hire there.

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Speaker 9: I maintain an odd belief in Trevor Lawrence.

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Speaker 2: Okay, despite the fact that.

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Speaker 10: You're supposed to give up on a guy by now

823
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Speaker 10: or say.

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Speaker 9: That he is, he's going to be right.

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Speaker 10: So I think maybe with the guy that's had some

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Speaker 10: quarterback success and Liam Cohne, that they could get on track.

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Speaker 9: But I don't expect much of.

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Speaker 4: Him this year.

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Speaker 10: I saw you earlier this week and said, I think

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Speaker 10: the Texans could win the division by five games. I

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Speaker 10: just think, Wow, the other three teams are in disarraye

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Speaker 10: And that's if the Texans offensive revamp works. And I

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Speaker 10: respect it to Migo Ryans and the organization just kind

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Speaker 10: of decided there was something amiss with that offense and

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Speaker 10: they needed.

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Speaker 2: To fix it.

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Speaker 9: Yep, and have dramatically decided to do so.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the Colts. Another surprise I had was I get

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Speaker 4: it with Daniel Jones, but I don't get it because

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Speaker 4: what's the real solution here. What's the high water mark?

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Speaker 4: I guess the high water mark is Richardson suddenly becoming

842
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Speaker 4: who they wanted him to be when they drafted him.

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Speaker 4: But what do you think.

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Speaker 10: I think it's a bad pick from the start. I

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Speaker 10: don't I don't see much of a ceiling there. It

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Speaker 10: probably juggled the two of them. You know, if they

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Speaker 10: could protect Jones, maybe he's got a good second act.

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Speaker 10: I think he would have been better served to really

849
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Speaker 10: be somewhere like he wasn't in Minnesota last year for

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Speaker 10: a year. The the kind of plan where we've seen

851
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Speaker 10: these guys disappear for a year and then resurface.

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Speaker 9: Would have been healthier for him.

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Speaker 10: But the options are so limited that so, I mean,

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Speaker 10: I don't know if if the Titans after the draft,

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Speaker 10: if the Jaguars after the draft, if the Colts after

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Speaker 10: the draft, if one of those teams is able to

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Speaker 10: pick off the other two, then then maybe maybe my

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Speaker 10: five game day is too big an exaggeration.

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Speaker 9: If they all wash each other out, you know, I.

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Speaker 10: Think those three teams could be all really pretty bad together.

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Speaker 9: I think I don't know what the delay is and

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Speaker 9: turning over the Colts regime.

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Speaker 11: But it's it's it's certainly time the delay and just

864
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Speaker 11: kind of stalling it out right and Jacksonville and Tennessee

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Speaker 11: have you know, I would expect if they're getting results,

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Speaker 11: they're coming in twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 4: Paul Koharsky dot Com Paul Koharsky joining US. So, Mike Rabel,

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Speaker 4: I got a few more for you, Mike Rabel in

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Speaker 4: New England. How do you think it goes?

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Speaker 9: I think Mike Rabel's a great game day coach, a.

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Speaker 10: Great coach for getting a team prepared. I fear him

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Speaker 10: a little bit on the personnel side, okay, I mean

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Speaker 10: he knows what Harold Landry is and look, he didn't

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Speaker 10: have to worry about their expenditures.

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Speaker 9: Really they had a ton of money.

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Speaker 10: But Harold Landry the Titans cut because he's making seventeen

877
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Speaker 10: point five million dollars. He's not a seventeen point five

878
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 10: million dollar player. The Patriots game fourteen million dollars without

879
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Speaker 10: any real competition in the market. So I don't think

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Speaker 10: Vrabel's really responsible for the finances there, But I think

881
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Speaker 10: the Patriots.

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00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 9: That tells me that Patriots.

883
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Speaker 10: Aren't all the way fixed and turned of how they're operating,

884
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Speaker 10: because I think they could have got Haro Lange for

885
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Speaker 10: eight or ten million dollars. But he'll be a good

886
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Speaker 10: locker room guy for them. He'll play a lot of snaps.

887
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 10: He's not gonna beat tackles head up, but on twists

888
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 10: and stunts and setting the edge and all of that

889
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:17,280
Speaker 10: and playing a lot of snaps.

890
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Speaker 9: He'll be a good player for them.

891
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 10: He knows how to motivate a team. He knows very

892
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 10: well how to say, if we do these three things,

893
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:27,760
Speaker 10: we will win this game.

894
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 9: And then guys, see that's the case.

895
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:33,479
Speaker 10: We lost this game because we didn't do an item three,

896
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 10: or we won this game because we did all three

897
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 10: of those things, and the buy in will be immediate.

898
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 10: And I mean I was with him a little bit

899
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 10: last night, just joking with him about I mean, his

900
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 10: degree of celebrity is unbelievable. I mean, he has won

901
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:51,879
Speaker 10: super Bowls, but he has not won Super Bowls as

902
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 10: a coach, right And the way he's walking around here,

903
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 10: he's the anointed one already.

904
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 9: So he needs to have some success up there or

905
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:02,360
Speaker 9: things can go south.

906
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 10: I think he's uh, you know, it has a lot

907
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 10: less cost caused to be sour with the press so far.

908
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 10: If he's one and three at the end of September,

909
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 10: it's gonna be If some of the shine will come on,

910
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:15,280
Speaker 10: it's gonna be interesting.

911
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:19,320
Speaker 4: Kansas City, do they stay on top of the AFC.

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00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 10: I keep doubting them, and they keep doing it. You know,

913
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Speaker 10: I'm ready for somebody else. I have Kansas City fatigued

914
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 10: like a lot of people, but it's hard to doubt him.

915
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 10: With the with Mahomes, I would really I would really

916
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 10: like to see Cincinnati emerge, and if they could get

917
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 10: something done with Hendrickson, I know they've they're going a

918
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 10: different direction on defense.

919
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:48,839
Speaker 9: I find it hard to believe Joe Burrow is not

920
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:49,720
Speaker 9: going to make.

921
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Speaker 10: Another trip to the Super Bowl somewhere here, and they've

922
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Speaker 10: given him his two receivers.

923
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:57,439
Speaker 9: I think they've got a window. If they could get

924
00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 9: things better on defense.

925
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:02,439
Speaker 10: They can win some some high scoring games. So they're

926
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Speaker 10: kind of my team in the AFC to keep an

927
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Speaker 10: eye on. And I think, you know, Buffalo is going

928
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Speaker 10: to be right there. I think the Texans have a

929
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Speaker 10: shot to be right there.

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Speaker 2: I think the.

931
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Speaker 10: AFC is going to be competitive now for several Baltimore,

932
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Speaker 10: I don't discount, so you know, somebody needs to steal

933
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 10: home field advantage from the Chiefs, I think, to make

934
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 10: it real. But also, you know, everybody says, you know,

935
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Speaker 10: they have to regress to the mean and this close

936
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Speaker 10: game thing.

937
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:34,720
Speaker 9: Maybe they don't.

938
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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, maybe they don't with a great defense and

939
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 4: mahomes at the end of the game. Paul Karski dot com.

940
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:43,959
Speaker 4: So you were one of the first guys to really

941
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Speaker 4: get going with your own platform, and a lot of

942
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 4: people try it, but you've been doing it for a while.

943
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:49,320
Speaker 2: Now.

944
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 4: Why did you do it? How do you find it's

945
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 4: working for you?

946
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 2: Well?

947
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:57,839
Speaker 10: I did it because ESPN didn't renew my contract after

948
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:01,319
Speaker 10: nine years, and I at the time had was part

949
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Speaker 10: of a very successful radio show in Nashville, so I

950
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 10: was definitely going to continue to write.

951
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Speaker 9: And report in some way, shape or form.

952
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Speaker 10: I was looking at doing kind of a Patreon thing,

953
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Speaker 10: and a lot of smart people that I was consulting

954
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Speaker 10: with said, you know, Patreon's more for beginners, and you're

955
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Speaker 10: an established guy.

956
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:22,360
Speaker 9: You don't need to go that route. And so I

957
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 9: was just looking they have layers of membership, and so

958
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Speaker 9: I decided to do that.

959
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 10: So I've got twenty two guys that are my all

960
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:34,359
Speaker 10: twenty two who pay a premium and we have an

961
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Speaker 10: ongoing off the record conversation on a group e chat,

962
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Speaker 10: so I dive in there. So they account for a

963
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Speaker 10: good share of my success and my income and then

964
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Speaker 10: my regular membership. You know, I think people think everything's

965
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:51,439
Speaker 10: behind it wall.

966
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Speaker 9: It's not like what.

967
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 10: I'm getting here is news. I'm not putting news behind

968
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Speaker 10: the wall. I want the news out there, so.

969
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,839
Speaker 9: That stuff is more analytical stuff is behind the wall.

970
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 9: I have a couple of guys that write.

971
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Speaker 10: For me that are behind a wall, are draft knicks

972
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Speaker 10: or you know, do a lot of analytics and film study.

973
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Speaker 2: Right.

974
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Speaker 9: But you know, I'm not for everybody. A lot of

975
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Speaker 9: people don't like me at all.

976
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Speaker 10: But the people that like me really seem to like me,

977
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Speaker 10: and so I've amongst that niche.

978
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Speaker 9: They want to hear what.

979
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Speaker 10: I've got to say and what these other people that

980
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Speaker 10: write for me have to say. And I've managed to

981
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Speaker 10: turn that into a success. My wife just left her

982
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 10: job and is in a transition time, so it's been

983
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Speaker 10: successful enough to support my family.

984
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Speaker 9: I'm really grateful to these people who.

985
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Speaker 10: Have my back, and I don't know, you know, I

986
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:46,359
Speaker 10: tend to think if I was in a bigger market,

987
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:48,360
Speaker 10: I could double right, but maybe not.

988
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Speaker 9: Maybe I'm a small market, niche guy and that's what's

989
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 9: worked for me. But I'm very grateful to the people

990
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Speaker 9: that have supported it since twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 4: It's outstanding now, when they were winning, when they were

992
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 4: number one seed, or when they had playoff run in

993
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 4: twenty nineteen, I gotta imagine that's really good for business.

994
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Speaker 4: Of course, so is the number one pick?

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Speaker 12: Right, Your number one pick is pretty good for business.

996
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 12: There are a share of people that are and you've

997
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 12: been in this situation. They just throw up their hands

998
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 12: and they're like, I'm done with these guys. And it's

999
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Speaker 12: not just that, damn the number one pick.

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Speaker 10: They've they've been a dysfunctional organization for the last several years.

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Speaker 3: And there's no better play stand this show than with

1002
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Speaker 3: that comment right there. They have been disfunctional. Appreciate Paul

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Speaker 3: for stopping by Stephen Holer the McNair's go to the

1004
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Speaker 3: podcast page if you missed it. Obviously, Mark did a

1005
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Speaker 3: great job. We'll be back together tomorrow. The General will

1006
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Speaker 3: join us. We got plenty more right here on Texans

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Speaker 3: all access, see then everybody, and as always go Texans.