1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:01,600 Speaker 1: Freedom. 2 00:00:01,960 --> 00:00:08,720 Speaker 2: Most jin. 3 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 1: What you're listening to right now is a song that 4 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 1: we talked about just a few podcasts ago. It's Freedomless Free, 5 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 1: And you guys probably remember the World War Two hero 6 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:24,479 Speaker 1: that we still do about the song, Irving Mocker. He 7 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 1: is the inspiration mindless teacher told his story to a 8 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 1: singer songwriter couple. Their names are Johnny and Heidie Bulford. 9 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:36,920 Speaker 1: They took his story and they worked with him to 10 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 1: create this song. They went out there and they released 11 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:42,159 Speaker 1: the song. It's a huge hit, and we have them 12 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:44,600 Speaker 1: here to talk about it. You might you might remember 13 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 1: they kind of peeked in on that podcast with Irving. 14 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 1: Johnny and Heidi, thank you so much for joining me today. 15 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 3: Hi so glad to be here. 16 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 1: Absolutely well, I'm so glad you are here, But I'm 17 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:57,959 Speaker 1: so glad that you have been able to do this 18 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 1: kind of work, such a union position to be in. 19 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 1: We hear about a lot of nonprofits, a lot of 20 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 1: nonprofits that work with veterans, and you have this amazing 21 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:11,839 Speaker 1: ability to work with veterans and music. And I think 22 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 1: that's so unique because we hear so often that we 23 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 1: work with kids with music. Anybody, anybody who's coming back 24 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 1: from tragedy. Oftentimes music can help people with their mental 25 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 1: ability to return to something with their spirits, And I 26 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 1: think sometimes our veterans get lost and we just expect 27 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:32,559 Speaker 1: them to be tough. 28 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 3: But you've been able to. 29 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:36,839 Speaker 1: Bring music to creative vets. So tell us a little 30 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 1: bit about creative vets and your music program. 31 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 3: Well that's all. 32 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 4: I wish we could take credit for it, but that's 33 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 4: Richard Casper, Marine combat veteran, Purple Heart. All those make 34 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 4: sure I get a lot of his accolades in there. 35 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 4: But he's just all around impressive, awesome guy who found 36 00:01:58,480 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 4: relief from. 37 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 3: His peaches. 38 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 4: With the arts, right, I think Heidi, he started with 39 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 4: he started with sculpting, painting like other forms, right before 40 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:09,679 Speaker 4: the music part. 41 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, he went to the Chicago Art Institute, and that's 42 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 2: where he kind of realized that tapping into something that 43 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 2: he wasn't normally used to. He described himself as being 44 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 2: the least artistic person ever and then found himself creating 45 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 2: art and finding healing for the first time through that. 46 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 3: Yeah. 47 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 4: So he ended up teaming up with another professional Nashville 48 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 4: songwriter and they wrote his song and he found such 49 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 4: healing in it that he decided that was something his 50 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 4: brothers and sisters and arms also might benefit from, and 51 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:49,240 Speaker 4: he started knocking down doors in Nashville asking writers to 52 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 4: write with veterans, and we were luckily some of those writers. 53 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 1: Oh that's amazing. So we always think about these country 54 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 1: style songs are filled with it's almost like you you 55 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 1: go through this pain and then they're filled with this 56 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 1: amazing hope. And that's sort of been the history of 57 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:10,360 Speaker 1: country songs except for I know, there are also the 58 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:13,080 Speaker 1: country songs where it's like, you know, lost my dog 59 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 1: got drunk by the truck, and then my wife left me, 60 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 1: So we know, there's there's a whole spectrum. 61 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, we had to write a lot of those. 62 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's nice to have a version of Not that 63 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 4: those songs aren't important, you know, there's a place, there's 64 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 4: a place for them, but yeah, these had that happens too. Yeah, 65 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 4: these these are you know, it's really nice to see 66 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 4: in real time you helping someone because that's what that's 67 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 4: what music was for us growing up, Like I listened 68 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 4: to certain songs to help me through the tough times, 69 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 4: and country music as a genre is good for that 70 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 4: because it has the stories and the relatability and the 71 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 4: lyric is so important compared to other genres, and so 72 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 4: it allows itself to help you through life stuff because 73 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 4: that's what the songs are usually about. But that's we 74 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 4: all found songwriting at some point, the professional songwriters, that is, 75 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 4: as a form of therapy ourselves to write about what 76 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 4: we were going through. And why no one made that 77 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 4: connection beforehand, I don't know, but Richard really stumbled in 78 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 4: to some really effective therapy. 79 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 2: You know. 80 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 1: Art is like it's one of those things where it 81 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:27,599 Speaker 1: can really take you away and it slows you down. 82 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:30,679 Speaker 1: I look at it as it's a time where you 83 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:32,719 Speaker 1: kind of get away from all the stress. It slows 84 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 1: you down, it allows you to think, It allows you 85 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 1: to recharge in a way that I think a lot 86 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:39,599 Speaker 1: of people don't really realize. We used to joke that 87 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:42,040 Speaker 1: we should have coloring books at our office. I used 88 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 1: to work at a foundry and it's you know, that's 89 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:48,720 Speaker 1: a high stress job and you're constantly trying to get 90 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 1: orders out, you have problems, you've got hot metal, you've 91 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:55,479 Speaker 1: got you know, it's just a high stress job. We 92 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 1: used to joke you should have coloring books out, and 93 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 1: people at break could just and kind of escape from 94 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 1: that because just that act of creating something that there's 95 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:09,480 Speaker 1: no pressure is really cathartic. 96 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 3: Absolutely it is. It is great. 97 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 4: I mean, songwriting is great now when you make it 98 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:17,159 Speaker 4: your profession and. 99 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 1: You then you've kind of mixed those worlds. So now 100 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 1: you guys, I don't know, you have no no excuse. 101 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 1: You made this your own job. 102 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 4: Well that's why creative vets for us is still a 103 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 4: form of therapy for us, even because it's we're back 104 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 4: to the purest form right of songwriting. We are going 105 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:39,599 Speaker 4: in with a mission and it's getting something out and 106 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:43,280 Speaker 4: putting it into song form. When you work for publishing 107 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 4: companies like we have over the years, it's and it 108 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:50,040 Speaker 4: is a job that starts at a certain time and 109 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 4: you have to achieve this thing that used to come 110 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 4: from inspiration in the middle of the night or something. 111 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 4: You have to do it between the hours of eleven 112 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 4: and two every day, and then sometimes two or three 113 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:05,719 Speaker 4: more times that day. It becomes a little more like 114 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 4: building the house than it started. But but yeah, it's 115 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:12,279 Speaker 4: it's a I mean, I'm not complaining, it's the best 116 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 4: job I've ever read. 117 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:16,159 Speaker 2: It is whether whether you're inspired or not you're writing 118 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 2: a song that day. 119 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, So we talked to Irving. I want to get 120 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 1: to his story because the reason I had Irving on 121 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 1: the podcast was that I saw him on Fox and 122 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 1: Friends and I was like, wait a minute, Wait a minute. 123 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 1: This man is one hundred and one years old. He 124 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 1: has this new song out. How on earth did this 125 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:36,599 Speaker 1: come to be? 126 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 2: Like? 127 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:39,159 Speaker 1: Was this a passion of his? But we didn't really 128 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 1: get into that because Irving's story is so amazing and 129 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 1: I urge you to listen to that podcast if you 130 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:49,839 Speaker 1: hadn't haven't had a chance to. He stormed the beaches 131 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 1: of Normandy on D Day. He was there, he went 132 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 1: through the Battle of the Bulge. He was there when 133 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 1: they liberated the concentration camps. He helped to speak to 134 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:01,240 Speaker 1: some of the victim in the camps. I mean, his 135 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 1: story is so powerful and he was openly sharing it 136 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 1: with us. And I look at that, I look back 137 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 1: at what I learned in history class, and I think 138 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 1: we watched a lot of the videos of in the 139 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 1: nineteen forties of World War Two and what was happening. 140 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 1: But to actually have the opportunity to sit with someone 141 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 1: who lived it, who understands it. And you could see 142 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 1: when we were talking about this before we started recording, 143 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 1: it's so fresh for him still. I mean at one 144 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 1: hundred and one, you know, we're seventy plus years past this, 145 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 1: and he was still the minute you talk about going 146 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 1: to the camp and seeing what was there. The emotion 147 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 1: is so fresh and so raw for him. And he 148 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:51,559 Speaker 1: shared that story with you, which is how this song 149 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 1: came about. But how do you get connected? How did 150 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 1: you know? How did you know when you were talking 151 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 1: to him? I mean that has to sort of be 152 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 1: still you're up in the middle of night like this 153 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 1: is there's something here. 154 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 4: I mean the connection came through which he was there 155 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 4: in the room for the interview that you saw him 156 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 4: in initially and for for the he helps facilitate things 157 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 4: with Irving. But David Booth, who's another amazing veteran combat 158 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 4: veteran who has his own story and his own song 159 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 4: with creative Vets in his own VSO and his own VSOS. Yes, Like, 160 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 4: that's the amazing thing is you meet through these vs 161 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 4: these veteran service organizations, you'll meet other people and they. 162 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 3: All work together so well. 163 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:37,559 Speaker 4: And he presented Irving, you know because Irving's one hundred 164 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 4: and one years old, you know, and. 165 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 1: We want has not seen that, by the way, at all. 166 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 4: Not even clothes. And yeah, but we wanted to make 167 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:50,320 Speaker 4: sure his story. You know, Irving obviously has worked through 168 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:53,440 Speaker 4: what he's been through, like you said, though it's very 169 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 4: fresh for him, but he he is at a point 170 00:08:56,520 --> 00:09:00,960 Speaker 4: in his life where it's not debilillitating for him. His 171 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:04,839 Speaker 4: PTS is not debilitating. And so the point of this song. 172 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 4: Sometimes when we're writing with veterans, it's like, how do 173 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 4: we purge them of this weight they're carrying and help 174 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 4: them have a new lease on life kind of thing, 175 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:18,960 Speaker 4: And with Irving it was more of a documenting his 176 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:21,960 Speaker 4: story and song forim kind of thing and it being 177 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 4: a cool thing for him to have for his presentation. 178 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 4: So when we sat down with him, he just wanted 179 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:31,680 Speaker 4: to talk about his message, and his message was this 180 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 4: all costs something, you know, everything, the way we get 181 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 4: to live and the freedoms we have in this world 182 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:44,440 Speaker 4: cost his friends, you know, that ultimate price, and he 183 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:49,960 Speaker 4: feels like some young people don't walk around realizing that, 184 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 4: you know, like some others might. And so that was 185 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 4: the message he wanted to get out was to make 186 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 4: sure that the intensity, like in the lines were we say, 187 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:03,959 Speaker 4: one thousand and sixteen, poor innocent souls rising with the 188 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:07,320 Speaker 4: smoke that was in reference to guard a egg and 189 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 4: where he walked up and witnessed what he witnessed there 190 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 4: and having the weight of seeing red waves at Utah Beach, 191 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 4: the fact that there was so much blood that the 192 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 4: ocean looked red. That kind of intensity was those lyrics 193 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 4: were put in there to first establish the amount of 194 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 4: weight is being discussed, and then to help people realize 195 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:33,720 Speaker 4: that that was al so we can play Fortnite all 196 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 4: day long now or whatever? 197 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:36,440 Speaker 2: Right? 198 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 3: I mean? 199 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 1: So young, too, so young to he was eighteen, just 200 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 1: a kid, I mean, And that was to me so 201 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 1: powerful to hear him say, you know, I was in 202 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:50,840 Speaker 1: charge because I was the one that had a big family. 203 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 1: So he was telling us because he had a big family, 204 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 1: even though he was the youngest, he had always been 205 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:58,080 Speaker 1: it always had to take care of each other. So 206 00:10:58,120 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 1: his mom was always like, hey, take care of your 207 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 1: brother and sisters. So he was used to that feeling 208 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:05,839 Speaker 1: of like we're a team. And to me, I mean 209 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 1: that was encouraging to me having four kids of my 210 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 1: own because I always kind of feel that way they've 211 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:13,560 Speaker 1: taught each other a lot. I mean, as parents, we 212 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 1: teach our kids a lot, but your kids actually teach 213 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:19,079 Speaker 1: each other a lot too, And the way they interact 214 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:21,960 Speaker 1: is very powerful for how they will be when they're older. 215 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:24,080 Speaker 1: And I've seen it as my girls have grown up. 216 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 1: But that was what I took from his story. You 217 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 1: were a kid, but what you learned at your house 218 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 1: at home was so powerful that he went into the 219 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 1: most stressful situation you can possibly go into it life 220 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 1: and kept a level head and a positive attitude. That 221 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 1: was the most amazing thing was to say, I was 222 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 1: always trying to joke. I was always trying to say 223 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 1: look at the bright side, look at this. I mean 224 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 1: when he so if you didn't watch the podcast, I 225 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 1: also encourage you. You can watch it on Rumble or 226 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:57,200 Speaker 1: YouTube because he shows us a lot of the equipment 227 00:11:57,240 --> 00:11:59,200 Speaker 1: that they used. He still has a lot of what 228 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 1: he was in the field with at his home. So 229 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 1: he had the helmet. When he took the helmet off, 230 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:08,960 Speaker 1: and he said, the inside of the helmet comes out. 231 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 1: This is what you do everything. This is how you 232 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 1: wash your face, this is how you brush your teeth. 233 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:14,720 Speaker 1: This is how, this is how you wash your clothes, 234 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 1: and you think you are out in a field. There 235 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 1: are no showers, you don't have there's not TV or 236 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 1: Fortnite or toilets. I mean he talked about building toilets 237 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 1: because there was that was such a luxury for the 238 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 1: guys to have a board up above where they could 239 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 1: sit and just go to the bathroom on a board. 240 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:35,960 Speaker 1: When I hear that, I think these stories and what 241 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 1: you're doing is so powerful because that song creates conversation, 242 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 1: and the conversation is so important for young people today 243 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 1: because even my generation, we didn't get drafted. 244 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 2: You know. 245 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 1: I remember my parents talking about the Vietnam draft. And 246 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 1: I can remember a girlfriend of mine saying that her 247 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:01,320 Speaker 1: dad never spoke about anything that had happened in war, 248 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:04,199 Speaker 1: but she knew he had nightmares and she could hear 249 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:06,320 Speaker 1: him yelling in the middle of the night. And I 250 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:12,840 Speaker 1: think these were things that this my generation, the millennial generation, 251 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:18,440 Speaker 1: my kids' generations, will not understand because we were never 252 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 1: just ripped away from our homes and forced to go 253 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 1: out and join this war. Those are powerful things to 254 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 1: remind them of or to tell them, I mean, to 255 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 1: have them learn through song, So I would say that 256 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 1: the songs are not just to heal the people that 257 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:38,319 Speaker 1: went through it, but it's a teaching method. 258 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 4: It's perspective, right, That's what Heidi and I get out 259 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 4: of all these rights we walk out it is. So 260 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 4: it's annoying at the same time because we get ourselves 261 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 4: complaining about stuff, but we have fresh, veteran stories in 262 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 4: our minds all the time to go, why am I 263 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:59,239 Speaker 4: complaining about this? You know, Larry was stuck in the 264 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:02,679 Speaker 4: jungle for four days, because you know, we know that 265 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 4: we have all these stories to pull from all the time. 266 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:08,200 Speaker 3: But perspective is a big thing. 267 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:11,559 Speaker 4: And I think that's what Irving was talking about with 268 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 4: maybe young people, is he's having an issue getting into 269 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 4: some schools because these schools think that the topic is 270 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 4: a little heavy for these kids. But I look back 271 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 4: at the formative parts of my life like that. 272 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 3: Made me who I am. We're all very. 273 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 4: Intense things like that, and sometimes at young ages, like 274 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 4: for instance, I have a soft spot in my heart 275 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 4: and do a lot of work for children with disabilities. 276 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 4: And I don't know what the current politically correct term 277 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 4: is for it, but kids that are have mental deficiencies 278 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 4: and stuff. So there's a place in Orlando called the 279 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 4: Russell Holme and I used to visit it at a 280 00:14:55,200 --> 00:15:00,160 Speaker 4: young age and was exposed to every every version and 281 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 4: of that that exists, like the spectrum of people with 282 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 4: those disabilities. And because of that, I've you know, it's 283 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 4: just made me. It's just given me a better perspective 284 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 4: on life. Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue 285 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 4: next on the Tutor Dixon Podcast. 286 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 1: When I was a kid, we did a lot of 287 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 1: We had a lot of people, like you're saying, even 288 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 1: disabilities like limb differences or you know, wheelchair or just 289 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 1: anything that was different. They wanted kids when I was 290 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 1: growing up. They wanted kids to understand that different isn't bad, 291 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 1: Different is different, and that and the people that are 292 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 1: different than you they can sometimes do things that you 293 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 1: would never imagine and things better than you. 294 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 3: You know. 295 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 1: So it was like this ability to learn that there 296 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 1: are so many differences in the world. And it feels 297 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 1: like that's been taken out of school. It's almost been 298 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 1: replaced by political ideology, which I think is very unfortunate 299 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 1: because it is so important too. I do think we 300 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 1: had a more welcoming and more loving community. When that 301 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 1: was taught. We also did learn actually a lot about 302 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 1: World War Two. And I would say, it didn't strike 303 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 1: me that my kids haven't learned as much as we did. 304 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 1: And I said this to Irving. I don't know if 305 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 1: it was because my generation was closer to it, our 306 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 1: grandparents had gone and so it was so still so 307 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 1: stunning that there were videos and there was quite a 308 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 1: bit of we had quite a bit of curriculum on 309 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 1: World War Two, but we go every eighth grade class 310 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 1: with our middle school goes to Washington, d c. And 311 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 1: they always go through the Holocaust Museum. And it was 312 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 1: it didn't strike me until I watched their faces when 313 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 1: they saw the things that happened in World War Two. 314 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 1: And it was so striking to me that my kids 315 00:16:56,480 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 1: would look at this and go, why are they so 316 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:04,919 Speaker 1: in what happened? And it was like this moment where 317 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:07,639 Speaker 1: we take an extra long time to go there because 318 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 1: the kids pause and they go, why did this happen? 319 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 1: How did this happen? Explain this? And it's such an 320 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:19,879 Speaker 1: interactive museum. So you brought up the veteran before we 321 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:22,359 Speaker 1: got on, who said, we look at this now and 322 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:24,679 Speaker 1: go why did we fight? Why did we lose people? 323 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 1: I think that it is so important for them to 324 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 1: know that. This next generation, I think is more curious 325 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 1: than mine, or the millennial generation than excer millennials. I 326 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:41,120 Speaker 1: think they're more curious about how to bring peace back 327 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 1: because of the chaos that we see, and when they 328 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 1: learn about this, they go, oh, we can't let that happen. 329 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:48,679 Speaker 1: That's what a world war looks like. 330 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:51,119 Speaker 2: That. 331 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 4: I agree completely. I think history is something that it 332 00:17:56,600 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 4: gets overlooked now too. As far as the importance of 333 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 4: knowing it. I'm a big history buff and that's why 334 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:06,879 Speaker 4: I get nervous when I look at the state of 335 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:11,639 Speaker 4: the world sometimes because I know how little, the little 336 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:13,920 Speaker 4: things it took to spark You know, when you when 337 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 4: you study old wars and you see, wait, that started 338 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:18,400 Speaker 4: from this, and then you look out into the world 339 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 4: and you're like, well, we could at any point head 340 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 4: down that same wrong direction again. 341 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 3: And I think if. 342 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 4: People knew irving story, they would be less they would 343 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:34,879 Speaker 4: be more cautious about heading down that wrong direction again. 344 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:39,119 Speaker 2: Well, and even they're clearly not being taught everything Irving. 345 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:42,720 Speaker 2: It breaks my heart because this clearly he brings it 346 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:44,919 Speaker 2: up every time we're around him, is that people come 347 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:47,640 Speaker 2: up to him and tell him he's lying, he's exaggerating. 348 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 2: Those aren't the numbers. You're making that up. It didn't 349 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 2: really happen, all these terrible things that they're saying to 350 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:57,639 Speaker 2: his face. I just can't imagine walking up to a 351 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 2: one hundred and one year old World War Two veteran 352 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:03,159 Speaker 2: and who liberated guard a lag in one of the 353 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 2: worst concentration camps, and someone saying that he's a liar. 354 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 1: And that that didn't happen. 355 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:10,400 Speaker 2: People, And that was the whole point of the song, 356 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:13,159 Speaker 2: is that people need to know it did happen. We 357 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 2: are not exaggerating, we're not lying. 358 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:20,080 Speaker 1: This is what happened. It's stunning because that seems to 359 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:23,879 Speaker 1: be I mean, we're seeing this anti semitism really rise 360 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 1: in across the globe, and I think it's been so 361 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:32,400 Speaker 1: shocking for us how quickly it seems to have happened. 362 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 1: But you know, I look back and I think about 363 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 1: this synagogue in Pittsburgh that was attacked, and at that 364 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:42,880 Speaker 1: time it was there were warnings. I remember people going 365 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:45,600 Speaker 1: anti Semitism is really on the rise in this country, 366 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:50,360 Speaker 1: and people kind of swept it under the rug and said, no, 367 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:55,400 Speaker 1: it's not. But you think about Irving. The reason he 368 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:59,440 Speaker 1: was so effective in these discussions with the survivors of 369 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:03,440 Speaker 1: the Constant Treition campus because he's Jewish and he could 370 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 1: speak Yiddish and he could communicate with them and to 371 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:11,480 Speaker 1: look at him and that It's not just that they 372 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 1: could look at him and say you're lying. It's the 373 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:18,040 Speaker 1: lack of respect that we are seeing right now in 374 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 1: the United States. I mean, even we talked about country 375 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 1: music used to be about you know, losing your wife 376 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:26,679 Speaker 1: and drinking too much and crashing your truck and all 377 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:29,680 Speaker 1: of that. But now we suddenly see these country music songs. 378 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:32,920 Speaker 1: And I have to say country music had historically kind 379 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 1: of been connected with conservative values. But now we see 380 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 1: country music songs that are political in a way where 381 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 1: they're like anti ice and there's it's not patriotic and 382 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 1: they're anti police. That seems like a weird turn for 383 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 1: country music. 384 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 3: I agree, it's it is not what we're used to 385 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:52,640 Speaker 3: like back. 386 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:55,200 Speaker 4: I mean, we have the old controversies like you had 387 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:59,119 Speaker 4: Toby Keith and I guess now they're known as the 388 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:04,120 Speaker 4: Chicks and and their their issues that they had back 389 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:04,600 Speaker 4: in the day. 390 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:07,640 Speaker 3: For like, I feel like Toby. 391 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 1: Because they're the Chicks, because they realized that they were 392 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:14,840 Speaker 1: not okay, it was not okay to be the Dixie Chicks, 393 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 1: which I call my kids that all the time because 394 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 1: we were. Our last name is Dixon. That's cute. 395 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:22,439 Speaker 4: Well, I thought when they came out that the Chicks 396 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 4: was going to be the issue, Like I thought that 397 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 4: it would be righting themselves. 398 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:32,959 Speaker 3: What that heck, I didn't know. 399 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:34,879 Speaker 4: Yeah, I didn't think that was going to be the 400 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 4: one to go. But but stuff changes really quickly. But 401 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:42,360 Speaker 4: you know, all that stuff to say, like you woke today, 402 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:44,879 Speaker 4: and I kind of stay as much out of it 403 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:47,520 Speaker 4: as we can. Obviously we have our opinions and our 404 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 4: beliefs and all those things, and but we also our 405 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:55,119 Speaker 4: job is music and entertainment and helping people. And I 406 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 4: feel like if we get to pointed in one direction, 407 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:00,320 Speaker 4: there might be someone we could have helped that they 408 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 4: wouldn't have reached out to us because of something we 409 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 4: thought or said and the But I also think that 410 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:11,359 Speaker 4: all we do is music. I don't have the time 411 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:13,680 Speaker 4: to study all this stuff like you you do. This 412 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 4: is more your laying in your job and you are 413 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 4: more educated. I think the way I put it in 414 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:24,400 Speaker 4: the past is that we're we have we have more 415 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 4: influence than we have intelligence with some of this stuff 416 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:31,880 Speaker 4: as musicians, so we get this platform and all these 417 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:35,480 Speaker 4: people that we have influence over. And I'm not saying 418 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:36,360 Speaker 4: Heidi and I, but. 419 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:40,440 Speaker 2: In general, singers, actors, you know, they have these big 420 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 2: platforms and then. 421 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:45,679 Speaker 4: And they might not have all the information because they 422 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 4: don't have time. That's not there, it's not what they're doing. 423 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:50,440 Speaker 4: So they're basically going by off, you know, going by 424 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:52,120 Speaker 4: something they've heard or seen anyway. 425 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:54,920 Speaker 1: So but I kind of love the idea that we 426 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:56,800 Speaker 1: go back to. I think that was one of the 427 00:22:56,840 --> 00:23:01,520 Speaker 1: beauties of even Irving's time, and I was just so 428 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:05,240 Speaker 1: the movie The Holiday always comes back out at the 429 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:08,160 Speaker 1: holiday season, and it's probably like twenty years old now, 430 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 1: but the theme of the movie is kind of like 431 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:14,200 Speaker 1: you're going back in time and there's an older gentleman 432 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 1: and they're learning about what filmmaking was like when film 433 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:21,359 Speaker 1: was first coming out, when they first were putting movies 434 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 1: up on the big screen, and even now twenty years later, 435 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:27,359 Speaker 1: I watch this and I go, gosh, it's not even 436 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:29,639 Speaker 1: like that anymore. You know, this was a great movie, 437 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 1: and it's a beloved holiday movie because it kind of 438 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 1: takes you back to even what creativity and art was 439 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 1: twenty years ago. And I see now, you see a 440 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:45,240 Speaker 1: lot of these actors who have said I don't want 441 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 1: to talk about politics. I applaud that. I love being entertained. 442 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:53,960 Speaker 1: I don't care what your politics are. I love when 443 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:58,360 Speaker 1: someone creates a great movie, creates a great song, has 444 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:02,200 Speaker 1: a wonderful piece of art work. I am not biased 445 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:04,400 Speaker 1: by who did it. I don't care. I don't want 446 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:08,960 Speaker 1: to hear if you want. If you hate my politics 447 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 1: and I hate your politics, I can still appreciate if 448 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 1: you can create something amazing. I can still appreciate that 449 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:21,000 Speaker 1: Rob Reiner has made amazing movies and say we didn't 450 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 1: agree on anything of politics, and that what happened to 451 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 1: him is one of the worst tragedies that I have 452 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:30,200 Speaker 1: seen in my adult life. I can still say that. 453 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 1: Do you think that we can move toward a time 454 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 1: when we start to see art come back and we 455 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:38,440 Speaker 1: take the hatred out of it. 456 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:41,879 Speaker 4: I mean, I hope so, I mean I think that 457 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:45,879 Speaker 4: would be I think it still exists the way we 458 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:49,240 Speaker 4: we remember it in some places, in some avenues. But 459 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 4: I know exactly what you mean, Like I don't when 460 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 4: I'm hiding and I watch what we call warm hug 461 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:57,720 Speaker 4: movies sometimes, and they're movies. 462 00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 2: Like usually from the nineties, you know, like our childhood 463 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,560 Speaker 2: where we're flicks maybe that. 464 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:06,520 Speaker 1: Do you have a problem with the word check, don't you? 465 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:07,240 Speaker 2: Oh? 466 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 3: No, I know they're not romantic. 467 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 4: I mean, like like Forrest Gump is a warm hug 468 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:15,320 Speaker 4: movie because it has the it has the score. Yeah, 469 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:17,960 Speaker 4: it has the score, the story is all great. I'm 470 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,119 Speaker 4: not being challenged at any point. 471 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:20,679 Speaker 2: You know. 472 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 1: Yeah right, you can just fall into it. 473 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 3: Yeah right. And there's music like that as well. 474 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:29,199 Speaker 4: I mean, obviously, music has been political for a long time, 475 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:33,879 Speaker 4: you know, in various genres and stuff. I mean it, 476 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:38,439 Speaker 4: musicians definitely, you know, the poets like to get to 477 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:42,600 Speaker 4: dabble in that, obviously, and they have since I mean forever, 478 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:45,679 Speaker 4: you know. But but I don't, you know, I'm not 479 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:49,879 Speaker 4: looking to if I'm going for a walk or something, 480 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 4: or if I'm golfing, I don't want to be challenged 481 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 4: politically while I'm. 482 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:53,639 Speaker 3: Listening to music. 483 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,640 Speaker 4: I want to warm hug music kind of going where 484 00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,920 Speaker 4: it just kind of is is medicinal in a way 485 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:03,800 Speaker 4: where it's comforting and calming and that kind of stuff. 486 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:05,879 Speaker 3: But it's so funny. 487 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:09,360 Speaker 1: I saw something yesterday because all these things are coming 488 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 1: up about Rob Reiner's movies now, and I saw this 489 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:15,680 Speaker 1: clip of him saying there's a scene in The Princess 490 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 1: Bride that he absolutely hates because you can see a 491 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 1: glare on the camera. She's on her horse and she's riding, 492 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 1: she's riding around the castle and you see the glare 493 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,400 Speaker 1: on the camera, and he said, it drives me crazy 494 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 1: because suddenly you're aware that it's being filmed. You're supposed 495 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,160 Speaker 1: to just feel like you are there watching it, You've 496 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 1: been taken into the movie, and yet you can see 497 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:42,439 Speaker 1: it's being filmed. And I think that, you know, I 498 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:46,200 Speaker 1: would I would never have noticed that. But I do 499 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:52,359 Speaker 1: think there is this beauty in just taking people away, 500 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,200 Speaker 1: and that's what you do with your songs, is that 501 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,399 Speaker 1: you just you are taken out of that and it, 502 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 1: like I said, creativity just makes you kind of pull 503 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:03,680 Speaker 1: away from the stress of the world and you get 504 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:05,960 Speaker 1: to go into an alternate world. 505 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I agree. 506 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:12,320 Speaker 4: I think it's it's also the job of the creator 507 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:15,919 Speaker 4: to create something that is also be able to be 508 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,960 Speaker 4: enjoyed universally. I think comedians do it really well. Heidi 509 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:20,840 Speaker 4: and I if we were if it was a big 510 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 4: reveal on us for anything. We love comedy all you know, 511 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 4: lots of forms of comedy, and we probably listen to 512 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 4: comedians that you'd be like what you ass But if 513 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:36,239 Speaker 4: the if the joke is written well, I don't have 514 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 4: to agree with the premise to enjoy the punchline. 515 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:40,680 Speaker 3: If it's funny. 516 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,399 Speaker 4: If it's really funny, then that's fine. Same thing with 517 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:47,119 Speaker 4: any other topic. If the song is great and the 518 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:52,160 Speaker 4: result is that, I'm I enjoyed the experience and say 519 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:55,240 Speaker 4: there is a message in there, you know, as long 520 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:56,400 Speaker 4: as it's done correctly. 521 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,400 Speaker 3: I think that that, you know. 522 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 4: Like, for instance, Garth Brooks had some political songs back 523 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:03,680 Speaker 4: in the day that you could have taken that way, 524 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:07,720 Speaker 4: like The Change or we Shall Be Free, where he 525 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:11,960 Speaker 4: talks about hot topic items like world hung you know, 526 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,639 Speaker 4: he says when the Last Child cries for a crust 527 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 4: of bread is one of the lyrics. So he's talking 528 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:20,960 Speaker 4: about these issues, but it's generic, like let's move towards 529 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:24,480 Speaker 4: a better place. Let's let's uh fix all these these 530 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:28,320 Speaker 4: things and less divisive, you know, stuff in the lyric 531 00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:30,720 Speaker 4: where it's like this side or the other side. And 532 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:35,360 Speaker 4: I just think that if it's done correctly, anybody can 533 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:39,520 Speaker 4: enjoy it and your message gets heard as a result, 534 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:45,480 Speaker 4: I guess. But if it's just done to cost issue, 535 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 4: you know, then you can easily tell that, you know, 536 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,720 Speaker 4: and it's there's an agenda kind of thing. 537 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 1: So Heidi, let me ask you this because I just 538 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 1: saw Wait, it's the Oscars that they're putting on YouTube, right, 539 00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 1: So to me, that's and I read this. Gosh, it 540 00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,800 Speaker 1: was like a headline that said this is a watershed 541 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,200 Speaker 1: moment for Hollywood, and I thought, you kind of did 542 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,600 Speaker 1: this to yourselves, but they, I mean, it is a 543 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,960 Speaker 1: big deal to these folks that suddenly this awards show 544 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:17,400 Speaker 1: that had had great ratings, clearly the ratings are not 545 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:21,080 Speaker 1: what they used to be and now they're moving to YouTube. 546 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,240 Speaker 1: But at the same time, I feel like it's it 547 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:26,080 Speaker 1: is kind of an interesting environment because I have seen 548 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,560 Speaker 1: a lot of these celebrities who have said I don't 549 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,000 Speaker 1: want to have my voice out there. I mean, even 550 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,680 Speaker 1: who is it the girl that recently she was a 551 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:40,400 Speaker 1: real big loud mouth about all the political stuff and 552 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:42,520 Speaker 1: she I'm looking at Sarah, but she can't remember it. 553 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:43,600 Speaker 3: The Hunger Games girl. 554 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:45,200 Speaker 1: Yes, Yes, the Hunger Games girl. 555 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 3: Jennifer Oh, I didn't know that Lawrence. 556 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:51,160 Speaker 1: Yes, Jennifer Lawrence. She was like, they asked her about it, 557 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:54,360 Speaker 1: and she's like, you know what, it doesn't People don't 558 00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:56,440 Speaker 1: want to hear from celebrities on that. 559 00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:57,239 Speaker 3: And that. 560 00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,960 Speaker 1: I applaud her for that because she had been so loud, 561 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,480 Speaker 1: and I think that was probably a hard thing to say, 562 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 1: but it is true because I like to watch the 563 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 1: films that she makes, but it makes me uncomfortable knowing 564 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,240 Speaker 1: that she probably hates me, you know, and I don't 565 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:13,840 Speaker 1: want to think about her as a person. I want 566 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,360 Speaker 1: to think about her character. Do you think that this 567 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,200 Speaker 1: is going to there's going to be a shift back 568 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,640 Speaker 1: towards some of the great art that we saw. I mean, 569 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,160 Speaker 1: I look back at even you know, some of the 570 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:25,600 Speaker 1: movies that we grew up with, like e T. I 571 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:27,240 Speaker 1: look at that and I'm like, that's the kind of 572 00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:28,480 Speaker 1: movie I want to see again. 573 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:36,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean no, I think is that a 574 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:37,280 Speaker 3: hug movie? 575 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:41,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, by a little alien person. 576 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:45,040 Speaker 3: But still a one hug film installagic. 577 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:49,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, but no, I mean Heidi's uh, I think she 578 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 4: was asking you, honey. 579 00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:53,040 Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I hope so, and I I agree 580 00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:57,000 Speaker 2: the same way, like I it'll Johnny and I will go, 581 00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:01,080 Speaker 2: you know, open our phone and there's name our favorite 582 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:04,479 Speaker 2: actor said this that we don't agree with politically, or 583 00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:08,280 Speaker 2: they did something, they celebrated something that you know, we 584 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:10,560 Speaker 2: wouldn't agree with that kind of thing. It's hard to 585 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:14,640 Speaker 2: not go ah, such a you know, it is hard 586 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:16,760 Speaker 2: to separate the two. And like you just said, I 587 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:21,040 Speaker 2: think Jennif Lawrence makes amazing movies. She's funny, she's super talented. 588 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:23,360 Speaker 2: You want to be your friend, Like, doesn't she seem 589 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,239 Speaker 2: like someone that you'd want to hang out with? And 590 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,120 Speaker 2: so it's it's hard to separate the two. But yeah, 591 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:32,120 Speaker 2: I hope we can get back to that. Well. 592 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:36,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, comedy is one of the places like that we 593 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,800 Speaker 4: we love. You know, stuff gets explained pretty well. But 594 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,440 Speaker 4: like Heidi and I both grew up massive Michael Jackson fans, 595 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 4: were you still love the music? I mean, obviously the no, 596 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,120 Speaker 4: it's not one hundred percent, but you know, we all 597 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,840 Speaker 4: kind of know what we know if and there's a 598 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:56,560 Speaker 4: comedian out there and I can't remember his name to 599 00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:58,920 Speaker 4: give him credit, but the gist of his joke is, 600 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:02,840 Speaker 4: you know, if you watch that documentary and you still 601 00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:06,040 Speaker 4: listen to Michael Jackson's music, then you're a monster. And 602 00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:08,040 Speaker 4: then he laughs and goes, Which is why I haven't 603 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,480 Speaker 4: watched the documentary yet because. 604 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:15,240 Speaker 2: I love those songs and see it's hard to not 605 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,200 Speaker 2: attach what you know about them personally to what they 606 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:19,080 Speaker 2: do professionally. 607 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:21,520 Speaker 3: So but there's more that goes. 608 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,400 Speaker 4: The other thing is there's more people's work that goes 609 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:28,480 Speaker 4: into those things than there's the band players, the songwriters, 610 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 4: the producers. 611 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:31,640 Speaker 3: You know, he's watching for that. 612 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,040 Speaker 1: If you're talking about quite so many amount of people 613 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,880 Speaker 1: that have to go into creating anything, whether it's a 614 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:41,120 Speaker 1: song or art or a movie, whatever type of art 615 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:44,960 Speaker 1: it is, there you are putting so many people's careers 616 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:49,000 Speaker 1: at risk. And and I think, and you know, people 617 00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,160 Speaker 1: are like, oh gosh, what's the future of all of this? 618 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:52,880 Speaker 1: Is it all going to be ai? And will there 619 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,120 Speaker 1: be people at all? And I think the beauty of 620 00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:00,960 Speaker 1: the pain that we go through as people is that 621 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:06,120 Speaker 1: that pain creates really amazing stories and helps other people 622 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,640 Speaker 1: who are going through pain. That to me has always 623 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:11,960 Speaker 1: been the beauty of movies like Steel, Magnolias and all 624 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,600 Speaker 1: of these really tough movies. But if you've ever gone 625 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:18,360 Speaker 1: through an illness, or if ever you want it's kind 626 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,000 Speaker 1: of like Misery Loves Company in some cases, you want 627 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,000 Speaker 1: to see that. You want to see how they came 628 00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:27,000 Speaker 1: through that. And those great stories come from a place 629 00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:30,880 Speaker 1: that someone felt, you know, it had to come from somewhere. 630 00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,440 Speaker 1: So I do hope that we get back to that. 631 00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:36,960 Speaker 1: I appreciate that you guys are focused on telling the 632 00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:41,320 Speaker 1: stories and teaching people and at the same time helping 633 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:44,880 Speaker 1: so many people that have gone through more than I 634 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:48,080 Speaker 1: can ever imagine. So before I let you go, just 635 00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:52,440 Speaker 1: tell us about a little bit about Creativets and that 636 00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,080 Speaker 1: how people can help with that. Absolutely. 637 00:33:56,640 --> 00:34:00,840 Speaker 2: Creativets dot org is their website and across social media 638 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:06,760 Speaker 2: everywhere they're at creative It's they they need funding because 639 00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:10,680 Speaker 2: their wait list is crazy long right now, so many 640 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,400 Speaker 2: veterans need these programs. They have an art program, a 641 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:17,759 Speaker 2: songwriting program, So it started with songwriting and through this 642 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:21,160 Speaker 2: they've discovered, you know, they have the art program the 643 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,120 Speaker 2: astrophotography program. They take people to New Mexico and they 644 00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:27,319 Speaker 2: have these telescopes and they take these incredible photos and 645 00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:30,320 Speaker 2: they're teaching new skills and it's all about that neuroplasticity. 646 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:34,560 Speaker 2: So they're challenging you to learn a new skill, develop 647 00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:38,080 Speaker 2: a new talent. And it is it's just been the 648 00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:39,960 Speaker 2: greatest thing we've ever got to do in music. 649 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:41,440 Speaker 1: And I mean that, and I say it a lot. 650 00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:43,920 Speaker 2: I've can watch other interviews and you say in the 651 00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:45,799 Speaker 2: same thing and I feel like a broken record, But 652 00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:50,000 Speaker 2: it really is. Johnny and I have been in the 653 00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:53,000 Speaker 2: music business since we were kids, and you know, we 654 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,560 Speaker 2: both thought we'd He wanted to be Garth Brooks and 655 00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:57,919 Speaker 2: I wanted to be Reeven McIntyre, and we thought we'd 656 00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:02,320 Speaker 2: be you know, big superstars, selling out stadiums. 657 00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:04,120 Speaker 1: That was our childhood goal kind of thing. 658 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,600 Speaker 2: And we just, you know, we feel like God gave 659 00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,680 Speaker 2: us these talents and I feel like I've finally found 660 00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:13,239 Speaker 2: how I'm supposed to be using them. It's sitting down 661 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:16,600 Speaker 2: with people like Irving or Larry Jordan and Lenn Erics 662 00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,120 Speaker 2: and these Vietnam veterans, these World War Two veterans who 663 00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:23,560 Speaker 2: did so much for us. It's not just like, oh, 664 00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,759 Speaker 2: they did a small favor one time, like they literally 665 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:31,600 Speaker 2: were okay with dying for us. That is doesn't get 666 00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:35,279 Speaker 2: much bigger than that. And so the least that we 667 00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:37,200 Speaker 2: can do is sit down with them and give them 668 00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:39,759 Speaker 2: a day of our time and we talk. They tell 669 00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,360 Speaker 2: us whatever it is they want to talk about. We 670 00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:44,919 Speaker 2: leave it open to them. We tell them, we want 671 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:48,080 Speaker 2: to write the song that you can't talk about whatever 672 00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:49,719 Speaker 2: it is. You can't talk about whatever it is it 673 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:53,480 Speaker 2: keeps you up at night, or that makes you struggle 674 00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:55,719 Speaker 2: at home or struggle throughout your day, that thing that 675 00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:57,759 Speaker 2: keeps nagging in the back of your mind that you 676 00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,520 Speaker 2: just can't shake. That that is what we want to write, 677 00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:02,680 Speaker 2: because then you get it out and then you don't 678 00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:04,960 Speaker 2: have to talk about it anymore. You talked about it, 679 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:06,680 Speaker 2: you got it out, you put it in a song, 680 00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:09,520 Speaker 2: and now you can share that with your spouse or 681 00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:12,440 Speaker 2: your kids, or your friends who don't understand why does 682 00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:14,360 Speaker 2: dad have night terrors and cry out the middle of 683 00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,239 Speaker 2: the night, Well, you know, listen to this three and 684 00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:20,440 Speaker 2: a half minute song, and it gives people that perspective 685 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,520 Speaker 2: and that understanding and that history and fills in the 686 00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:27,040 Speaker 2: gaps where people don't know what's going on and is it. 687 00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:33,160 Speaker 2: Truly has been the best, the coolest, the most rewarding 688 00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:36,000 Speaker 2: thing we've ever got to do is help these veterans. 689 00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:39,560 Speaker 2: And we feel a little guilty sometimes leaving going. I 690 00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:41,920 Speaker 2: hope they got as much out of it as I 691 00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:43,520 Speaker 2: got out of it. Like he said, it's the best 692 00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:47,560 Speaker 2: perspective lesson and history lesson that you can get is 693 00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:50,320 Speaker 2: sitting down with these people and hearing their stories, and 694 00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,920 Speaker 2: then we get to help them get it out and 695 00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:57,480 Speaker 2: write it and it's exciting for them. Irving became a 696 00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:00,320 Speaker 2: published songwriter at one hundred and one and he has 697 00:36:59,920 --> 00:37:03,239 Speaker 2: a single out there on Big Machine Records that's like 698 00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:04,840 Speaker 2: Taylor Swift's record Late, Like that's. 699 00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:05,320 Speaker 1: A big deal. 700 00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:10,719 Speaker 2: And it's so exciting to see them heal and be 701 00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:14,400 Speaker 2: excited about it. And it's also exciting to see the 702 00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:20,160 Speaker 2: change that happens. Usually we meet someone and on the 703 00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,520 Speaker 2: other side of it they seem like a different person, 704 00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:26,640 Speaker 2: like they have joy or they have peace. There's this 705 00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,919 Speaker 2: change that happens in real time from before we sit 706 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,239 Speaker 2: down until after the song is finished that we get 707 00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:35,080 Speaker 2: to see and it's amazing. 708 00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:38,200 Speaker 1: I love that and I love that piece that you 709 00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:41,720 Speaker 1: have in finding why God gave you that gift, because 710 00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:44,440 Speaker 1: I think that's something that our kids grow up and 711 00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:47,560 Speaker 1: they go, Okay, God gave me this. Let's take a 712 00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:53,239 Speaker 1: quick commercial break. We'll continue next on the Tutor Dixon Podcast. 713 00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:57,080 Speaker 1: I watch my girls and I'm like, Okay, I'm watching 714 00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:00,000 Speaker 1: the gifts that they have been given and the quality 715 00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:02,719 Speaker 1: that are unique to them that I know God has 716 00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:05,560 Speaker 1: a plan for and I just I'm curious what is 717 00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:07,839 Speaker 1: that plan and how does he want them to use that? 718 00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:11,520 Speaker 1: And it's funny because you can sometimes go, oh, I've 719 00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:14,040 Speaker 1: been gifted with this, so it must mean this, and 720 00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,239 Speaker 1: then God shows you a different path. And I just 721 00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:19,239 Speaker 1: love that story of that piece that comes with knowing 722 00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,719 Speaker 1: what God wants from you for sure. 723 00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:25,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, and Heidi touched on it too. You can listen 724 00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,239 Speaker 4: to Creative It's music out there. They do have a 725 00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:30,239 Speaker 4: deal with Big Machine Records and they've released a bunch 726 00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:34,200 Speaker 4: of songs and any veterans who might you know, We've 727 00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:36,719 Speaker 4: found that a lot of veterans get a lot of help. Well, 728 00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:40,440 Speaker 4: what was the Irving Locker one that the lyric change Heidi, 729 00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:41,680 Speaker 4: that someone did in the column. 730 00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:44,760 Speaker 2: Oh so from Fox and Friends when they played Irving 731 00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,920 Speaker 2: song it Freedom was Free, which is streamable and downloadable 732 00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:53,759 Speaker 2: everywhere you get music. Someone wrote in the comments. So 733 00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:56,359 Speaker 2: the first verse is I stepped on that ship in 734 00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:58,719 Speaker 2: New York City and by Hell's Gate, it hit me. 735 00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:02,600 Speaker 2: Sometimes evil does its best to take it, and heroes 736 00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:04,920 Speaker 2: have to give it all to save it. If Freedom 737 00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,520 Speaker 2: was Free goes into the chorus, and someone in the 738 00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:12,440 Speaker 2: comments under the Fox and Friends clip had written the 739 00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:15,040 Speaker 2: change of the lyrics about but they put their story 740 00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:18,560 Speaker 2: and I stepped on that ship in Mississippi and by 741 00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:22,520 Speaker 2: whatever landmark that was there, it hit me, and I just, 742 00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:26,080 Speaker 2: you know, total stranger heard the song and went, hey, 743 00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:26,880 Speaker 2: that's my story. 744 00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,359 Speaker 4: Different war, even like they were talking about different war. 745 00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:32,800 Speaker 4: And this happens so much where veterans. The stories are unique, 746 00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:36,600 Speaker 4: but there is a thread that runs through all of 747 00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,680 Speaker 4: them where they are able to connect and not feel 748 00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:41,520 Speaker 4: so alone. And a lot of the veterans songs that 749 00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:43,520 Speaker 4: we write, that's kind of the point of their story. 750 00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:45,839 Speaker 4: They're like, I want people to know I went through 751 00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:49,799 Speaker 4: it too. You're not by yourself in this. And so 752 00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:52,320 Speaker 4: some veterans might get a lot of healing from listening 753 00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:56,320 Speaker 4: to the playlist that Creativet's have released. In fact, Richard's 754 00:39:56,400 --> 00:40:00,279 Speaker 4: trying to start like a music RX, kind of like 755 00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:03,760 Speaker 4: a prescription music based thing where you can actually search 756 00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,000 Speaker 4: like Felujah two thousand, you. 757 00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:06,879 Speaker 3: Know, put in time. 758 00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:08,120 Speaker 1: Wow, that's some keywords. 759 00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:12,120 Speaker 4: So people who who served at the same time, same place, 760 00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:15,279 Speaker 4: went through you know, some of the same stuff, can 761 00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:18,120 Speaker 4: actually search for a veteran who who went through that 762 00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:19,799 Speaker 4: and listened to their song about it. 763 00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:24,000 Speaker 1: And see their story of the same experience. That's that 764 00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:27,080 Speaker 1: is very incredible. Well, what you guys are doing is amazing. 765 00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:31,040 Speaker 1: It's creativets dot org. Right, yeah, that's right, check it out. 766 00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:35,319 Speaker 1: Help them give because this is absolutely critical and it 767 00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:39,640 Speaker 1: brings us back to a time of focusing on art 768 00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:45,919 Speaker 1: and positivity and warm hugs. Johnny and Heidi Bulford, thank 769 00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:48,919 Speaker 1: you so much for coming on the podcast. Thank thank 770 00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:51,319 Speaker 1: you for having us absolutely and thank you all for 771 00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:54,400 Speaker 1: listening to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. As you know, you 772 00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:57,080 Speaker 1: can get it anywhere you get your podcasts, the iHeartRadio, 773 00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,760 Speaker 1: ap Apple podcasts, or you can watch it on Rumble 774 00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:02,520 Speaker 1: or YouTube at Tutor Dixon but make sure you join 775 00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:05,600 Speaker 1: us next time, and have a blessed day.